Alexander Palace Forum
Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Having Fun! => Topic started by: rosieposie on September 18, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
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I came across this Romanov website and the creator claims they own the original photos that is shown on the website because as they say "I am Russian and am directly relatied to the Romanovs." Obviously this person took pics from Alexander Palace Time Machine and from the forums. Claiming the so called originals belongs to their family.
Especially as the colored pics is colored by our members.
Can anyone tell me who colored what and if so to tell this person to give them credit for using their colored pics on the website?
http://www.freewebs.com/loyalistoftheromanovs/otmaa.htm
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Most of those coloured pics were made by Holly. There are also pics by Justine, but I don´t know any more....
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Thanks Ally.
:)
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i too noticed the one by justine - its of Tatiana and it has a big watermark across it saying justine lol
some people........
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God! They drive me crazy! On the page about Tatiana all pictures were made by me(except for the last one) and her story was copied from my site about Tatiana!
And I have two question to people who are stealing someone's work:
1. is this so hard to ask for permission first? I would probably agree and I am sure others would agree too if one would ask them for permission to use their pictures or other work.
2. is this also too hard to credit someone? really too difficult to write that this, this and that was done by...[name]?
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Yes, it´s really annoying!
If they cannot create anything of their own, they can always "borrow" things. But you know, internet is a huge place and what chance do you have to find you stolen things?
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as we can see there's always a chance.
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Yes, but a very little one:(
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I've also wondered the same thing about the colored photos on this page:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/1416902082/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all (http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/1416902082/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all)
All three of them look familiar to me....
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One of mine is on there, i marked it, with "Mandie" in the conner, it gone now. People are so rude! I also left her a message.
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Hey guys well I found the webcreator on Facebook who was bragging about being related to the IF. So I actually put them stright and since I openly "exposed" them they haven't came back on the group.
When I do youtube videos I give credit to all people on this forum. Or where ever I got the source from.
However it makes me upset if someone takes peoples work without giving them credit.
I also go out of my way to ask for permission on peoples work if it is from Deviant Art.
It makes my toes curl.
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I believe the one of AOTMAA standing on a balcony in the winter was colored by me, but that's one of my older ones, and I'd actually prefer if it wasn't associated with me! :-\ lol
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Ah, God. Are you kidding me?!
I see a ton of mine on there. Most of the ones on the first page are mine. Good Lord. I can see she also stole the first part of my bio on Anastasia from my website for HER Anastasia page.
Ughhhh!! That makes me mad. And it takes a lot to tick me off. >:(
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Arrgh! art thefs..i hate them!.¬¬
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Well I sent them an email on Facebook telling Madison Cook that she has been exposed for taking all those pictures and taking words from others pages.
They haven't as yet replied but found her quote on the fangroup page amusing so I share it with you.
"I added some new pictures/photos of the Romanov's. They are all one's that we have of originals. Yes some you can find online because we gave them to news places when they found the remains, but they still mean the world to our family." (When I was looking at the pics there were two with the water mark "Alexander Palace Time Machine", I also laughed at her caption of Nicholas with Charles the V. LMAO)
This is what she wrote for the website above.
Loyals to the Romanov's |
Check out my website i dedicated to my Russian heritage and Romanov family(ancestors).
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*slamming my head agains the keaybord in desperation"!!!!! >:(
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I'll have to add this person to my facebook to get to her, I guess..
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Hey Hols,
I sent her a message but they didn't respond. Ever since I confronted Madison Cook on the group site she hasn't come back to explain what she did.
It upsets me, because I know you guys worked hard on your written work and on the colored pics.
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Thanks, Rosie. I guess I'll just wait and see what happens then.
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Ladies..i have lots of time on my hands and im looking for colored pictures in all the facebook groups about the romanovs. When i got the list finished with links and names of the people who uploaded those pics, i ll post it here.
Post colored pictures of someone else without credit and permission is ART THEF and those thiefs should be reported.
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Katenka, it's so sweet of you for spending your time in this!
Thank you!
I think on Internet, people believe they could do whatever they want because no one know them! They're wrong!
If you commit a thief then you can pay for this!
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You welcome, Olga! *hugs*
I know how do you all feel about this. A couple of months ago , someone took my colored (and marked) pictures from my deviantart and posted them on livejournal, modified and without credit. The Thief was fool enough to not deleted my "mementomori" watermark!.
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I have the only facebook group for OTMA the last time I checked and I'm pretty sure there are no colorized pictures on there. At least, I haven't seen any. I don't know about any other groups though.
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I've also wondered the same thing about the colored photos on this page:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/1416902082/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all (http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/1416902082/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all)
All three of them look familiar to me....
One of them (the one of Alix, Maria, Anastasia and Alexei having a picnic) is mine, I'm 99% certain anyway. It's quite surreal seeing it on amazon!
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this picture looks very familiar to me...
Click here (http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v214/34/65/1134127046/n1134127046_29759_7082.jpg)
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this picture looks very familiar to me...
Click here (http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v214/34/65/1134127046/n1134127046_29759_7082.jpg)
That is by Anastacia, "Baby Tsarevich". She is a user here but hasn't posted in a very long time.
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Is she greek?
Cause, the person who posted that picture is greek. Stella Cosa is her name over facebook
Pm finishing my inform....this monday i ll have the name and links of all the recolored pictures over facebook groups about the romanovs ;)
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Hey Katenka,
Thanks for looking, I agree it is a theif of taking someone's colored pictures. Sure the originals are not ours but everyone works so damn hard on their artworks.
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Is she greek?
Cause, the person who posted that picture is greek. Stella Cosa is her name over facebook
Pm finishing my inform....this monday i ll have the name and links of all the recolored pictures over facebook groups about the romanovs ;)
No, she wasn't Greek. Her name was really Anastacia.
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Thanks for the Info, Holly!. I ve found the first Art thief over there (and sure im gonna find more...)
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Awesome! Thanks a lot for doing this! :D
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Okay guys the person who originated that website responded to Mandie and my comments on her guestbook.
Here is is what she wrote in her defence. Remember this person claims to be related to the IF.
Mandie Campbell, everyone has those colored pics. okay you can find them any where. Go to google and you'll see. And Jane Doe, shows what you know. Okay i did get permission. My relatives that still live in Russia got permission for me from the directer of the Hermitae museum, which in case you do not know is made up of the Winter Palace and the Alexander Palace. The director told my relatives that i did not have to do a cretability page, just to keep their name on the pics they gave me, which are the one's that say Alexander Palace Time Machine. so you two know what, you make Me sick. accusing someone you don't even know of trying to pass someone elses things as their own without even knowing their side, or that there might be a possibility that they know someone who is a romanov decendent. think about the situation next time before you put crap like what you two wrote in someone's guestbook. ow, and smiley faces on messages is so 1st grade.
hey mandie, i found your website. yeah, i have not been there till now. i created my website back in may of 2007, and the colored photos were added then. i recieved a few of them from a girl named Holly who said i could use them on my site, so maybe she stole them from you. but i recieved those back in 2006. The others like the one with Alexei on the Standart, i recieved that from the Director of the Hermitage museum and the Alexander palace which is another part of the hermitage. you should really plan to go to russia. it is truly beutiful and when the sunset hits the winter palace just right, it takes your breath away because of how beautiful it is, and it relaxes you too.
Holly did you give her permission?
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Oh, brother. ::)
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oh good god...
waht totally cracked me up was that she was saying that she got permission from the hermitage and crap to use those pictures...making it sound like their rare and cant be found anywhere...
and what she did with those colored pictures is straight up bullshit...sorry about the language..
i love how everyone is totally bitching her out on her guestbook
kudos!
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I´m going to have a long talk to her in her guestbook. Is she really as stupid as she pretends to be?
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You see...she is what i like to call a 'deedeedee' (gotta love Carlos Mencia),
and theres nothing worse then a know it all, lying deedeedee
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I´m going to have a long talk to her in her guestbook. Is she really as stupid as she pretends to be?
I think Madison wants to make out she knows more then us. LOL. As if we people who have studied the IF for as long as 20 years to now didn't know that The AP and Winter Palace belongs to the hermitage. LOL.
I laughed when she started to switch topics to make it more cheery by talking about the exterior of the Winter Palace lmao.
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Wow I have to say Ally made a great point in her posts. :)
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Thanks :)
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I have been studying the Romanovs for seven years, and other Royalty for four/half years, none stop. I don't call myself a professional like this girl, it a just kind a slap in the face of people would studied then for more the twenty years. And for my own website, I use my own colored pictures and put down the facts as much I can of my own writing (which is really hard), even there not good as I hoped, but my OWN work and credit.
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Ok, this girl is crazy. saying she's a Romanov? ::) dose she think we will believe that? and taking holly, Mandie and Justine's colored pics is wrong.
Lynn
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What the --- !?
Heck no. I did not give her any kind of permission for anything!
First of all, I was fourteen/fifteen in 2006. I didn't color pictures then and I'm pretty sure none of those pictures were even made in 2006. Why would I give permission to her to use someone else's pictures?? And even if I DID give her permission to use mine I definitely wouldn't have allowed her to just cut my name out of them! Not to mention she took MY writing from MY site. I don't allow that.
"So first grade"?! Is she serious?! She can't even spell! Ugh.
I shall be on the guestbook today, my dears... >: (
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I shall be on the guestbook today, my dears... >: (
OK, I have just one thing to say to you...
GO HOLLY! (ok, more that one) that post you put on her guest book was awesome. good job! I hope she takes the text and pics off.
Lynn
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LAdies and Gents....sorry about the delay of the inform about Art thiefs. I ve been so busy, recoloring pictures and working hard !. But finally..here it is...
Click here (http://rapidshare.com/files/148685091/art_thiefs.txt.html)
I dont know how it is the english version of Facrbook, but, each picture have a "report" option and there s something about how to denounce copyright infractions.
Good luck!!
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Okay guys the person who originated that website responded to Mandie and my comments on her guestbook.
Here is is what she wrote in her defence. Remember this person claims to be related to the IF.
Mandie Campbell, everyone has those colored pics. okay you can find them any where. Go to google and you'll see. And Jane Doe, shows what you know. Okay i did get permission. My relatives that still live in Russia got permission for me from the directer of the Hermitae museum, which in case you do not know is made up of the Winter Palace and the Alexander Palace. The director told my relatives that i did not have to do a cretability page, just to keep their name on the pics they gave me, which are the one's that say Alexander Palace Time Machine. so you two know what, you make Me sick. accusing someone you don't even know of trying to pass someone elses things as their own without even knowing their side, or that there might be a possibility that they know someone who is a romanov decendent. think about the situation next time before you put crap like what you two wrote in someone's guestbook. ow, and smiley faces on messages is so 1st grade.
hey mandie, i found your website. yeah, i have not been there till now. i created my website back in may of 2007, and the colored photos were added then. i recieved a few of them from a girl named Holly who said i could use them on my site, so maybe she stole them from you. but i recieved those back in 2006. The others like the one with Alexei on the Standart, i recieved that from the Director of the Hermitage museum and the Alexander palace which is another part of the hermitage. you should really plan to go to russia. it is truly beutiful and when the sunset hits the winter palace just right, it takes your breath away because of how beautiful it is, and it relaxes you too.
I just read this more carefully this time. WTF? is she really that serious? I don't give a horse's ass if my colored pictures or Holly's, Justine's ARE ALL OVER THE WEB, they are still OURS! this is bulls--t! telling me that i make her sick, she makes me angry that she toke our colored pixs, that the sicken part. some people needed to get a life or grow up!
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That girl has a serious case of Delirium tremens ¬¬
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There's nothing you guys can do. When some jerk was selling my pictures on eBay and making money off of them, or my scans, I couldn't get eBay to stop them and they legally should have. This is just typical internet theft. Considering it's just some dinky website, don't even worry about it. Get angry if people take your colorized photos and make a profit from them.
This person is obviously an idiot, because the black and white images are all public property regarding copyright. However, the colorized photos are modified public property and therefore the colorizer's (I made up a word!) creative property. Again, there's nothing you can do about it if she's not selling them. Obviously she just took them from the website here; she's certainly not clever enough to get rid of the website title on the images, at least. Moron.
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and what about mine and Holly's writnig which she took from our sites? is there anything which can be done in these matters?
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Nothing to do with IF pictures but i just found out that i ve been stolen from my deviantart account. I was browsing one of my favorite Livejournal s group and i found two of my pictures posted by someone else without permission and credit : >:( >:( >:(
Im so angry and i wanted to share mi fustration with all of you ...(sighs...)
I need a hug :(
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There's nothing you guys can do. When some jerk was selling my pictures on eBay and making money off of them, or my scans, I couldn't get eBay to stop them and they legally should have. This is just typical internet theft. Considering it's just some dinky website, don't even worry about it. Get angry if people take your colorized photos and make a profit from them.
This person is obviously an idiot, because the black and white images are all public property regarding copyright. However, the colorized photos are modified public property and therefore the colorizer's (I made up a word!) creative property. Again, there's nothing you can do about it if she's not selling them. Obviously she just took them from the website here; she's certainly not clever enough to get rid of the website title on the images, at least. Moron.
Thanks for explaining the copyright stuff, Lanie. I wasn't completely sure about how that worked. (It's good to see you around again.)
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Nothing to do with IF pictures but i just found out that i ve been stolen from my deviantart account. I was browsing one of my favorite Livejournal s group and i found two of my pictures posted by someone else without permission and credit : >:( >:( >:(
Im so angry and i wanted to share mi fustration with all of you ...(sighs...)
I need a hug :(
Aww. *BIG HUGE* so sorry Katya that happened. some people are just animals! :o :(
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Nothing to do with IF pictures but i just found out that i ve been stolen from my deviantart account. I was browsing one of my favorite Livejournal s group and i found two of my pictures posted by someone else without permission and credit : >:( >:( >:(
Im so angry and i wanted to share mi fustration with all of you ...(sighs...)
I need a hug :(
That reminds me of the time I made this MSN display picture three years ago.
The text on it was an inside joke between me and an ex-boyfriend of mine.
When I made it, I put it on my personal website for my friends to see,
And this girl at my school popped up on MSN with it in her display box.
I got so pissed when she attempted to tell me that she found it on an MSN website
Two years before that...when I had made it a week earlier, and she claimed it wasn't mine! Argh...
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Thanks for the support, girls!. Now im putting watermark and copyright notice in all my recolored pictures. Its late over here (1:55 am) im tired, but still so angry!. I ll go to bed when i finish my work >:(
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Nothing to do with IF pictures but i just found out that i ve been stolen from my deviantart account. I was browsing one of my favorite Livejournal s group and i found two of my pictures posted by someone else without permission and credit : >:( >:( >:(
Im so angry and i wanted to share mi fustration with all of you ...(sighs...)
I need a hug :(
I guess, from now, we have to pay more attention to our works.
It's not so hard to ask and credit someone. Apparently, these people prefer stealing works of the others. >:(
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Girls..i want to share with you what this person answered me as anonymous in the topic..
"Ohhhhh....and where did you steal them from??? It's known that you brag about getting your photos from google. You had better read DA's terms of service and copyright policy because you are breaking their policy and rules...I cant wait til someone reports you! Seems like the kettle calling the pot black, doesnt it!"
That s so not true!. Post 1910 pictures i got colored over my account are all bought, the rest are a mix or other site stock pictures, bought postcard and public domain pictures.
If someone wants to support me over livejournal, just ask me the link of the group and i ll send it thru pm.
Im now even more angry!!
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Girls..i want to share with you what this person answered me as anonymous in the topic..
"Ohhhhh....and where did you steal them from??? It's known that you brag about getting your photos from google. You had better read DA's terms of service and copyright policy because you are breaking their policy and rules...I cant wait til someone reports you! Seems like the kettle calling the pot black, doesnt it!"
That s so not true!. Post 1910 pictures i got colored over my account are all bought, the rest are a mix or other site stock pictures, bought postcard and public domain pictures.
If someone wants to support me over livejournal, just ask me the link of the group and i ll send it thru pm.
Im now even more angry!!
This person is an idiot. That isn't true at all. I spoke to someone that works at DA and asked about the copyright stuff. They told me that if the picture is after 1922 (I forgot if it was 1920 or 1922) and everyone involved with the production of the photograph is deceased, the photograph is free range for anyone. If you post a colorized picture, you're fine as long as you state the date the photograph was taken. But, as Lanie said, if you take the picture and colorize it, then it is YOURS.
Tell this person that. And then tell them they need to read up on things before they speak to keep themselves from looking stupid. :]
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And we got your back, Katya! :) ;) :)
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Thank you both!.
Well im mi D.A account i have some pictures post 1922 recolored, but they re were purchased and scanned by me. I dont make money with them and i put a link to the original.
The strange thing of all is that this person had also posted pictures of other Known artists like Alix of Hesse, Justine and Lisotchka with credits (Well Lisotchka had to say to her that she needed to credited her cause the first time, she didnt and post em without proper credit) but me....well..maybe she thought that i wont ever visit that comunnity ::)
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Please mark images you modify (put effort into). Colorizing is a modification. This forum has large numbers of older images from cartes de visite and post cards predating Disney. An unlabeled image of a woman in a bustle can be mistaken for an older cdv or post card. The bustle says "pre-Disney."
Copyright law is, to may awareness, now based on protecting Disney-ana such as his signature and figures such as Mickey Mouse. I suspect the 1920s start date for copyrights is the year "Steamboat Willie" with a happy mouse as the skipper of a steamboat was released by a new animator.
Considering the real issue, acknowledgment or reward for effort, colorization is effort that should be acknowledged when the effort is known.
Also, be careful before screaming thief. With the wealth of cdvs and post cards out and about on eBay, legitimate mistakes are possible.
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First of all... i never told it was you the person who posted those pics over there. If i see my recolored pictures posted somewhere else with the same label i ve got post em on deviantart, without permission and credit...what should i think?.
Second..you told me that those pictures were posted over here. I didnt do it... so, can you please send me the link of that topic?. Cause someone posted those pictures over here without permission.
The person who did that knows exactly that those pictures were recolored by someone else (me) and they re not the antique originals
Be more careful about posting recolored pictures if you re not sure if they re handtinted, cause, if there dont mention an artist or link...that s art thef!
We all learned a lesson...mine was ALWAYS put a watermark on them ALWAYS
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I was surprised when I came across a website earlier of little Princess Elisabeth of Hesse-Darmstadt, and see the banner I made in my signature at the top of the website! Instead of angry, I was kind of happy that they used it. (: I was also surprised to see pictures I haven't seen before.
I do wonder if the maker of the website is a member here.
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I was brownsing items on Ebay and i stumbled with a book based in Grand Duchess Olga`s Diaries...when i looked at the cover of the book i recognize this (http://i22.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/13/3e/1108_1.JPG) colorized picture and looks so familiar!. What do you say, girls?
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I have seen many times this coloured picture, on many places (can't remember where)... It is a very well known one, but I never knew who coloured it!
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I'd say it was colored by Lanie, but I am not sure.
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I was brownsing items on Ebay and i stumbled with a book based in Grand Duchess Olga`s Diaries...when i looked at the cover of the book i recognize this (http://i22.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/13/3e/1108_1.JPG) colorized picture and looks so familiar!. What do you say, girls?
That is done by Lanie!
people.. honestly these days just astound me!
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Just started to look at this thread...there are a couple of Bob's colored photos over there as well.
We find people using Bob's photos without permission on a very regular basis.
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I would be very surprised if Raegan Baker (who is a longtime member here) did not get permission to use that colored photo for the cover of Olga's dairy. That said, I've just looked through my copy of the book and there's no indication as to where that colorization came from.
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How selfish can our world get? I do hope you all get your full credit you deserve.
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Gee!
Well , we dont have another option than ruin our work putting HUGE watermarks across the pictures. :(
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I found this website about web copyright, it may help us understand what's possible and what is not.
http://www.benedict.com/Default.aspx
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Allright...who colorized THIS (http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v361/225/34/513011408/n513011408_1362810_5353.jpg) picture¿
I asked to the guy who posted this pic if he did the work and he said no, he just found it on the web. I told him back to be careful when posting colorized pictures of someone else because he could be reported as "art Thef". Im waiting for his reply...
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I think it was done by Lanie...
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Poor Lanie..she has been ripped out several times :(
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Allright...who colorized THIS (http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v361/225/34/513011408/n513011408_1362810_5353.jpg) picture¿
I asked to the guy who posted this pic if he did the work and he said no, he just found it on the web. I told him back to be careful when posting colorized pictures of someone else because he could be reported as "art Thef". Im waiting for his reply...
i found that picture on google quite a while ago i used it to back my history book.
perhaps the AP forum would become one of the ' sorry no right clicking allowed' or ' please login to right click' e.t.c
tom
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No..that s not the solution. The solution is asking to the person who colorize the picture if that picture can be used. If it is a picture found on google ,which is clearly recolored by someone else,without credit, just DONT use it. Use the black and white one and end of the problem. That would avoid Tons of drama.
The other solution for artists are use watermarks across the recolored pics.
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Allright...who colorized THIS (http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v361/225/34/513011408/n513011408_1362810_5353.jpg) picture¿
I asked to the guy who posted this pic if he did the work and he said no, he just found it on the web. I told him back to be careful when posting colorized pictures of someone else because he could be reported as "art Thef". Im waiting for his reply...
i found that picture on google quite a while ago i used it to back my history book.
perhaps the AP forum would become one of the ' sorry no right clicking allowed' or ' please login to right click' e.t.c
tom
If AP forum becomes like this , it'd bother people.... There are many more public pictures than works, here... It would make no sense.
The solution is what Katenka said... But we have to face the truth, people doesn't care about giving credits. :( We can't make something about it.
The best solution is to not post our works on the web. But then, it's not really fun, I think people likes hearing opinions about their works and the appropriate place for it is here.( and some others forums too. )
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Yup, that s the sad truth. For that...Hooray for watermarks!! =D
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Thats the only reason, I'll post a pix with a watermark, and beware of those whom asked for unmarked, puts them on their sites, then stolen. ..thats why i don't post photos that much.
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I´ve taken a look into the gueastbook. The gorl apologized for using other´s work and wrote the site is under construction, but nothing seems to be changed.
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That s so stupid!..is like i come to steal you something and while im doing it or after, i say to you. "im sorry"!xD
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I´ve taken a look into the gueastbook. The gorl apologized for using other´s work and wrote the site is under construction, but nothing seems to be changed.
Well, maybe she said that for people leaving her alone. It seems she's not able to take time to make a website. If she is, she would not have stolen people's works...
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She has removed all the colored pictures, however I laughed at the subheading for her response, it's like she is in total s**t that she got caught with the "Stupid Guestbook". LOL.
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what s the link to her webpage¿ If someone can pm me the link pleaaase.Im curious!
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http://www.freewebs.com/loyalistoftheromanovs/otmaa.htm
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Thank you, Ally!
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UGH!
this site!!
they stole one of my pictures!
http://www.freewebs.com/loyalistoftheromanovs/thetsarandtsarina.htm
of Alix!
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So, this one is yours ? Angie was wondering about it in the coloured pictures thread.. It seems she hasn't removed all the coloured pictures Rosie.. >:(
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So, this one is yours ? Angie was wondering about it in the coloured pictures thread.. It seems she hasn't removed all the coloured pictures Rosie.. >:(
yes i noticed that!
how rude!!
honestly!
atleast find the source. and quote it!
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and on the Tatiana page there's still my artwork...
some people never change...
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Girls...i recommend you this page (http://tineye.com/) to catch art thieves. Helps a lot ;)
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Katenka, it seems your link could be very useful, thanks !!
I have just found a french website about the Romanovs, and there are few colored pictures... I know some were made by Holly because of the watermarks on them but I saw credit to her nowhere...
Here it is (http://lesromanov.blogspot.com/)
This person has also made others websites, each one dedicated to one of OTMA; it seems the title on the coloured pictures she posted were written with Paint..That's why I am starting wondering that's weird... These websites are also in French...
Olga's Life (http://olgalife.blogspot.com/)
Tatiana's thoughts (http://tatianathoughts.blogspot.com/)
Maria's dreams (http://mariasdreams.blogspot.com/2008/05/bienvenue-sur-marias-dreams_02.html)
Anastasia: le mythe (http://anastasiamythe.blogspot.com/)
and Beautiful OTMA. (http://beautiful-otma.blogspot.com/)
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I would be very surprised if Raegan Baker (who is a longtime member here) did not get permission to use that colored photo for the cover of Olga's dairy. That said, I've just looked through my copy of the book and there's no indication as to where that colorization came from.
FYI: It's my understanding that Raegan Baker had NO say in nor control over the cover image on Olga's 1913 diary. (This is standard procedure in publishing.)
However, I've just spoken with Lanie and she confirmed that is her colorization, and that Gilbert's Royal Books did NOT request her permission to use it.
She's having trouble loading the AP forum today, but she's grateful to you guys for spotting her work.
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I have also found several coloured pictures done by AP members in a Czech magazine History revue.... They simply download them from internet...
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Yes, if you search at Google, you find many and many coloured pictures ...When I started discovering for the Romanovs, I saw so many coloured pictures that I thought they were the real version pictures of the Romanovs ...
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Thanks, everyone, for alerting this to me. I'm visiting at home so the forum loads!
There has still been no response.
I'm excited about the diary but upset that GRB, from whom I've bought lots and lots of books, did something this unprofessional (and perhaps illegal). And it wasn't even a good picture! You'd think they'd pick a better one! ;D
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here is one more
http://www.freewebs.com/romanova/romanovphotoalbum.htm
these people.. gosh! i just read through this crazy thread... how absurd!
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Would someone check out this website. http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily
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There are only three (one, by Emily, one by Isabel, and little Tatiana don´t know by who) stolen pictures, but I didn´t get it. Is this girl playing a game or what? Why all the names and dates andrealtionships are wrong?
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That page is soo weiiird...There s a picture of Alix of Wales with bertie in their wedding day and it says that is czar Alexander & Dreuxandra! xD (Thats a bit insulting..Bertie has NOTHING to do with Nicky...good god!)
Funny fanfiction page...what isnt funny is that she/he stole pictures of Angie and other people over here
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Thanks, everyone, for alerting this to me. I'm visiting at home so the forum loads!
There has still been no response.
I'm excited about the diary but upset that GRB, from whom I've bought lots and lots of books, did something this unprofessional (and perhaps illegal). And it wasn't even a good picture! You'd think they'd pick a better one! ;D
Lanie at least you know that we here know it's colored by you ;)
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Would someone check out this website. http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily
This website is so weird, especially the names !
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Someone put this link up on my guestboook.
Looks like someone's on crack...
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Hols, is that the same link as the Loyal to the Romanovs from first post? If so Madison did that to Mandie as well, especially when it was clearly Mandie's colorings on her page. I found it so odd. What an attention mmmm pony.
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(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_eb830897f9408926fa2a00afedf62e2e.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_eb830897f9408926fa2a00afedf62e2e.jpg)
who colored these? I also found one of mine and one of Isabel's. found on myspace.
Lynn
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I found plenty of our pictures on myspace. I wrote thousand messages to profiles' owners but they didn't credit them.
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Jesus..i forgot about myspace!
I ve revised Nicky s profiles and at least there s none of my recolored pictures....YET :S
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(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_eb830897f9408926fa2a00afedf62e2e.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_eb830897f9408926fa2a00afedf62e2e.jpg)
who colored these? I also found one of mine and one of Isabel's. found on myspace.
Lynn
I saw the first one not so long ago in DeviantArt but I can't tell you who did it though...
Katya> Did you see others coloured pictures ?
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Yup, and avatars made of them
ill check Alicky s myspace also. I bet there a bunch of uncredited recolored pictures
-for example..
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/captainrackham/Icon07.jpg)
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/captainrackham/Icon10.jpg)
If you want to see mooore recolored pictures, just check Mariaa Fyodorovna s friend list...There s a lot of familiar pictures...
Click here (http://www.myspace.com/mariefeodorovna)
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Yeah, you're right, there's a myspace with one of Justine's pictures ... here (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=265603355). (Maybe you already saw it Justine :) )
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yes I've seen this already. I'm angry with those people....
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Did you all see that person has set their pictures private?. I wonder how many stolen picture has in his/her albumns.
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Yeah, and the problem is that I am not registered in MySpace so I can't see how many pictures have been stolen actually ...
I don't understand why they don't simply put the link of the forum if they found the pictures here and if they don't really know who coloured it , it would have been OK ... That's not so difficult to say where you found a picture... Forget who did it is easy to understand, but simply steal it is really annoying !
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Yup, and avatars made of them
ill check Alicky s myspace also. I bet there a bunch of uncredited recolored pictures
-for example..
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/captainrackham/Icon07.jpg)
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/captainrackham/Icon10.jpg)
If you want to see mooore recolored pictures, just check Mariaa Fyodorovna s friend list...There s a lot of familiar pictures...
Click here (http://www.myspace.com/mariefeodorovna)
Those are mine, (as can be seen from here) (http://www.frozentears.org/Pages/Wall.html)
Ah well though, in all honesty, so much gets hotlinked or taken I've just tired to ignore it.
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(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg)
who colored these? I also found one of mine and one of Isabel's. found on myspace.
Lynn
that one is mine!!!
how dare they!
yes i did put mine on my deviantart account.. uggghhhh!!
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I'm going to be honest with everyone. If it's online, it's going to be taken and shared. It's just the way the Internet is.
If you want credit for work done, put a HUGE watermark in the middle of your work. Yes, it looks awful with it there, but that is the only way you're going to get credit each time it's used. If you want to be contacted, you could even put your email as the watermark. I used to feel like you guys too, but I have come to realize there is no way to stop everyone from taking your coloured works. Yes it really stinks, but aside from tracking each person down and verbally beating them up (like was done to the original website owner this thread was posted about) there is really nothing that can be done. (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1483/dntknwqm6.gif)
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Laura is right. I learned that lesson a time ago. Now i have watermarks in all my works =(
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I was looking for pictures on flickr and i found this set .
Tag yourself here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17071932@N06/sets/72157602851734275/)
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Ding ding! (http://ostatnia-dynastia-romanow.blog.onet.pl/1,4,0,album.html)
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I know this site. there's few in polish & of course on each there're our colored pictures. I wrote to them few messages but no one responded.
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I was looking for pictures on flickr and i found this set .
Tag yourself here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17071932@N06/sets/72157602851734275/)
There are five of mine on there. I put "This is my colored picture." or "I colored this one" in the comments.....grr...
thanks for sharing that with use Katenka!
Lynn
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You welcome!!
Tineye is great to find stolen pictures on the web ;)
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I was looking for pictures on flickr and i found this set .
Tag yourself here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/17071932@N06/sets/72157602851734275/)
Yes!
there is a mixture of all of ours on here!
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/th_l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/GD_Lynn/l_be4d9962f94002f2bb72c6baeb334704.jpg)
who colored these? I also found one of mine and one of Isabel's. found on myspace.
Lynn
that one is mine!!!
how dare they!
yes i did put mine on my deviantart account.. uggghhhh!!
Yes i agree... is just that its a rude thing to do!
i have no done that!
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I lost my patience for coloring photos and posting, I rarely post photos now.
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Hi girls!!
I d like to know who colorized these ´pictures
Daisy Connaught and Queen victoria (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1050/queenvdaisyjc8.png)
Arthur (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8862/edwardviian3.png)
Alix of wales (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1490/alixwales1cj3.png)
George V (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4961/georgevwithpugqf0.png)
All those pictures were posted uncredited in a forum where im member and i d like to credit the artist who made those ;)
Thanks in advanced!
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Hi girls!!
I d like to know who colorized these ´pictures
Daisy Connaught and Queen victoria (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1050/queenvdaisyjc8.png)
Arthur (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8862/edwardviian3.png)
Alix of wales (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1490/alixwales1cj3.png)
George V (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4961/georgevwithpugqf0.png)
All those pictures were posted uncredited in a forum where im member and i d like to credit the artist who made those ;)
Thanks in advanced!
those look like they were colored by Micha
she is a member here.
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Could someone please visit this website, http://www.freewebs.com/empresselisabeth. I am trying to understand who Princess Alexandrovna is supposed to be. There is a page concerning her on this website. The website owner insists she is the daughter of Franz Joseph, and Elizabeth. I can find only three daughters, Sophie,Gisela, and Marie Valerie. I think this person has other rather strange websites. Any replies will be appreciated.
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Isn´t that the same person who´s got ridiculous site about OTMA?
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Here´s the link to the website I was talking about. It´s just a load of crap:
http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily/
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is incredible how "princess alexandrovna" morphs her face thru the years xD
http://www.freewebs.com/empresselisabeth/princessalexandrovna.htm
And..is even MORE incredible that the princess at 3 yrs old can wear those beautiful hoopskirts! xD.
The girl who made those two websites needs a HUGE info warning in the site tellling people that is just fiction
Ps: In Gisela´s page...
"This is a colored picture of Archduchess Gisela given by my friend, Gus Eigna"
Click here...she even hotlinked the image from el flickr ¬¬ (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2045137368_2c71a77387_m.jpg)
I wonder if Angie gave her permission to use that picture in her website...
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Like the majority of you, I have tried to read "thenicholailafamily" site without much success. It is, in my opinion, not even a parody! Sometimes the most telling involvment/effect on these sites though, are the remarks in the "Guest Book." Case in point: In the open/public "Imperial Guestbook" of this site, a poster,"Leah," writes that, "Yes, I agree with ally and i dont understand any of it." Fair enough, but THEN this SAME poster (using her OWN site name, "impishanastasia") posts 3 times just the opposite: "hello there wow i love your imagine nation are you going to be writing more /?" followed next by: "hey glad u got my last post please write more its so interesting," followed next by "hey glad u got my last post please write more its so interesting and hurry up," and then that entry is repeated again as her last post. ("Ally" then returns to correctly bring the postings back to realism.) It perplexes and amuses me that the SAME poster (using 2 identities --- "Leah" and "impishanastasia" ----in the "Imperial Guestbook" of this site, can be creditable in her comments with such inconsistencies. "Padding" the comments section of the Imperial Guestbook"? AP
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I just read through the guestbook and would like to make clear, that first poster "Ally" is definitely not me!
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Thank you for your timely response, "Grand Duchess Ally." Best wishes for the New Year! AP
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I'm really tried of people taking my and other people's colored photos and b&w photos without permission. and The "Princess Alexandrovna" complete bull.. lol *rolling eyes*
So I'm no longer coloring or posting photos of royalty ever again! and I really mean it.
My website Romanovs of Russia, is rarely up dated anyway and So I'll possible going to leave it as it is now.
I kinda lost passion for the Romanovs and royalty and really invoid in the new rock band i like (in banner the band and I) and other music. the Romanovs would always be a part of my heart and past. I started reading about other royal houses of the Europe, like of the houses of Greece, Austria, Germany, Romania, Spain, England, France etc..but not as passionate as I was into Russia and the Romanovs.
It funny, when I was reading a memoir of Prince Christoper of Greece, my sister said to me:"Oh, your cheating on Russia now?" lol. I thought that was funny.
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hehe I kinda do the same Mandy, apart from I say I go through 'phases' e.g when I was little it was all about Egypt, then the romans , then Titanic , then the romanovs , Anne Frank, Britsh royals e.t.c But now i found myself changing my 'history moods'all the time for eample last July when it was the Romanovs 90 years I started positng on here again and was 'obsessed' with the Romanovs for a bout two months. then I started liking titanic again... another set of books from the libarary.... that lasted about two weeks. then it was Anne frank.....libarary's best customer...... and now its the Romanovs again.
so your not alone :)
tom
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I am the same as you tom my interests change. The Imperial family will always have a place in my heart. I have enjoyed learning about them for 11 years. However periods of time for me change. I'm back into Ancient Greek history. The holocaust etc.
I will occasionally come back to the IF. However it's just something that is just a hobby.
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hehe I kinda do the same Mandy, apart from I say I go through 'phases' e.g when I was little it was all about Egypt, then the romans , then Titanic , then the romanovs , Anne Frank, Britsh royals e.t.c But now i found myself changing my 'history moods'all the time for eample last July when it was the Romanovs 90 years I started positng on here again and was 'obsessed' with the Romanovs for a bout two months. then I started liking titanic again... another set of books from the libarary.... that lasted about two weeks. then it was Anne frank.....libarary's best customer...... and now its the Romanovs again.
so your not alone :)
tom
Dido!
People who are making these sitse just disgust me, because they don't have the passion! to look up the real information at all!
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People who are making these sitse just disgust me, because they don't have the passion! to look up the real information at all!
I'm even wondering why they bother to make a website. They have time to loose maybe.
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This is just hilarious! Scroll down this page and you´ll see really wonderful image. True imperial jewel :)
http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily/thenicholailabio.htm
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why oh why is there a chainsaw? ;)
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This is just hilarious! Scroll down this page and you´ll see really wonderful image. True imperial jewel :)
http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily/thenicholailabio.htm
OMG!!!! !!!! wuahahahahahahaa xD xD xD
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Perhaps Tsar Nicolas used it while working in Tobolsk... Remington being obviously his favourite.... :)
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Guys, a lot of people may not be stealing them on purpose. They could just search "Olga Romanov" on Google images, and hundreds of photos, colored ones included, pop up. They just save them and use them later, not knowing where they came from.
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I know, but if they´re told, they should at least try to find out the source. I would.
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Guys, a lot of people may not be stealing them on purpose. They could just search "Olga Romanov" on Google images, and hundreds of photos, colored ones included, pop up. They just save them and use them later, not knowing where they came from.
I think that's not that the problem, the problem is that some of them, though they are told to credit, doesn't want to and act rudely to those kind of requests. And even make fun of you.
I understand the fact that they find, like and use them but at least if they are told/ asked to credit, they should simply do it and not to create any useless arguments.
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This is just hilarious! Scroll down this page and you´ll see really wonderful image. True imperial jewel :)
http://www.freewebs.com/thenicholailafamily/thenicholailabio.htm
ookk... wow!
i can't even understand that. lol (excuse computer slang)
Guys, a lot of people may not be stealing them on purpose. They could just search "Olga Romanov" on Google images, and hundreds of photos, colored ones included, pop up. They just save them and use them later, not knowing where they came from.
That isn't an excuse!
they should atleast credit the source. i know its an easy mistake to make, but it is not a matter of laziness, its a matter of what is right. That is not their property to use.
I honestly don't care if people use my images, as long as they don't alter them, then claim them later. Just give the source and the person and i'll be happy.
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Hi again!.
I was wondering Who colorized this one? (http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7619/2694888890086714570mkwoni9.jpg)
Thanks in advanced!
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Katenka, I never discovered who made this one. But I have seen it so many times ...
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Ohh...i see....and what about This one (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/Church_of_Dead_Royalty/otma1915_1copy.jpg) ?
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Hmmmmmm..... I´ve never seen that one before.
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Never have I. =/
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Hi again!.
I was wondering Who colorized this one? (http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7619/2694888890086714570mkwoni9.jpg)
Thanks in advanced!
Ohh...i see....and what about This one (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/Church_of_Dead_Royalty/otma1915_1copy.jpg) ?
i believe that both of these were done by a friend of Lanie's.
im 100% possitive about the first one
60% on the second. -- or that one could have been done by Lanie herself!
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Thanks!! the thing is that im in a forum where the Adm wants to credit all the artist who colorize pictures and a girl in that forum has the one of tatiana as avatar (and posted the other one in a topic about Otmaa)
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Giving credit or providing sources is a part of proper netiquette. Those who don't do these must be warned.
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Hi girls!! Well what brings me here is the Next Link
http://community.livejournal.com/vintagephoto/3972006.html?view=26004134#t26004134
Does someone knows "Romanovy"?. She/he post here? Thanks!
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Hey Katenka! Thank you for noticing me!
Those are mine.
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So finally i know who is Romanovy! Im glad to know cause i ve seen those pictures all around the net. Now, as a adm of that community i ll link to your Deviantart. I think it is fair enough ;-)
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Yes, that would be OK :)
I used mark "Romanovy" and "by Ally", but finally settled on "Faces of the past".
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Ahh i see! thats why i never knew it was you!.
Well i told to the person who posted the RAR about the author of the colorized pictures and he credited you. But, if you dont want them to be posted in the community and also distributed in a RAR pack, i can delete the topic ;-)
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No, that´fine. I´m glad somebody like my pics well enough to post them :) But of course I´m much more hapy when credited.
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Can anybody who speaks Russian tell these people that those pictures are my colourings?
http://allday.ru/index.php?newsid=102449
My ardent thanks to anyone who will!
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Maria (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Maria1914.jpg)
Who colored this? I have this one framed in my bedroom.
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I believe that one was made by Laura Mabee.
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Thank you so much, Ally.
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Ooh, I found out Lisa Aubry colored Laura's avatar. Chee!
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Maria (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Maria1914.jpg)
Who colored this? I have this one framed in my bedroom.
This is wonderful done~~
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And I just can't sleep looking at her on my picture frame!
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Ooh, I found out Lisa Aubry colored Laura's avatar. Chee!
This me me indeed! ^^
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Ooh, I found out Lisa Aubry colored Laura's avatar. Chee!
This me me indeed! ^^
Did you color the entire portrait of OTMA, or only Maria? I'd love to see the full version if you have one...
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Ooh, I found out Lisa Aubry colored Laura's avatar. Chee!
This me me indeed! ^^
My apologies then :) Beautiful work.
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Ooh, I found out Lisa Aubry colored Laura's avatar. Chee!
This me me indeed! ^^
Very very hearty thanks to you, Lisa!
Ally, It's okay.
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Can anybody who speaks Russian tell these people that those pictures are my colourings?
http://allday.ru/index.php?newsid=102449
My ardent thanks to anyone who will!
Ally !
I wrote that this pictures are colored by You .
http://allday.ru/index.php?newsid=102449
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And..they put a nasty logo on your watermark....how rude ¬¬!
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This is indeed awful to put mark on your watermark....
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My post with the information about the colored pictures by Ally was deleted ,
and I got an information from administrator of that site ,
that it's forbided for me to post comments for 2 weeks ! How do you like this !?
They didn't like that I wrote about the colored pictures !
http://allday.ru/index.php?newsid=102449
Администратором сайта вам было запрещено оставлять комментарии на данном сайте до 15 мая 2009 20:42.
Это полностью автоматический процесс блокировки и от вас не требуется ничего делать для его ускорения или прекращения.
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when i saw your post here i inmediately went to see your comment and when i didnt find it i thought they deleted it
What a bunch of idiots, for real. Im sorry that kind of censorship happened to you tatiana . Thats how idiot people behaves when they re caught doing something wrong
What did you exactly posted? I cant believe that you was censored just for give information about the person who colored those pictures!
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In My post I wrote that this photos were colored by Grand Duchess Ally from Alexanderpalace forum
and postad links of her profile .
There in that site they were discussing about this photos in comments , and they were sure that this photos
are not colored in photoshop , but they are original colored photos from the begining of XX century .
I wrote that the members of Alexanderpalace forum are coloring photos of Imperial Family already for many years .
They didn't wanted this information became known by another members of their site and immediately deleted it !
But I wrote the letter to Administrators of this site that they should be ashamed for their behavior.
They didn't reply !
You also can write them letters
Here is the page of Administrators
http://allday.ru/sozdateli.html
and their mail day_lenka@mail.ru
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How ridiculous!!! i thought so when i read the messages thru the translator.
I cant believe there are such stupidity around. Early XX century colored pictures are waaaay different
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First: Thank you so much TatianaZ for "fighting fo my rights", I greatly appreaciate it.
second: How can anyone be so blind and silly? Not to mention rude.
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First: Thank you so much TatianaZ for "fighting fo my rights", I greatly appreaciate it.
second: How can anyone be so blind and silly? Not to mention rude.
I am ashamed that this is possible in my country!
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First: Thank you so much TatianaZ for "fighting fo my rights", I greatly appreaciate it.
second: How can anyone be so blind and silly? Not to mention rude.
I am ashamed that this is possible in my country!
Don't be ashamed. There are shameless people everywhere, unfortunately. Anyway, at least, you did what you thought you had to do. :)
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I have question who coloured those two photos because i saw them on TV in one show called "clairvoyants" "Ясновидци" ...it's interesting for me because you can't use just like that coloured photos....
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_anastasia-2.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/anastasia-2.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_drt7ytgf.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/drt7ytgf.jpg)
I took them down from the screen of that show but i tryed to give link of the video in the official site but it's broken....all i can do is to say in the comments there that it's not good to do so..... or if someone wants i will write to the moderators.....hope someone tell me soon what to do and who are the authors thanks
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I think the second one is Ally's. I'm not sure though.
The first one is one commonly seen on Google. Don't have any idea whose colouring it is.
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I don't know either but it's bit selfish to use it... they had recognize how Anastasia died and does Anne Anderson was Anastasia....all of them said they have not blood common (none of them knew about The Romanov's)
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The second one is mine. You can see the whole picture on my DA account here: http://velkokneznamaria.deviantart.com/art/Dressed-as-nurses-111994515
Don´t know if I should be angry or flattered....
I don´t know who coloured the Anastasia one though...
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A question to all the colorizers of the forum: have you found your work modified, with the watermark removed and other person telling it is his/ her work?
Happened to me today and im still shocked and what it shocks me the most is that is someone i know.
I feel awful =(
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A question to all the colorizers of the forum: have you found your work modified, with the watermark removed and other person telling it is his/ her work?
Happened to me today and im still shocked and what it shocks me the most is that is someone i know.
I feel awful =(
someone you know!? that's is awful! I've never had that happen but I know that it must make you mad, all the time put in to the picture to have someone else calm it as theirs.
I feel so bad for you!!!
Lynn
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Katya is telling about My site and about Me .
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Katya !
I asked You in private message on My site to tell Me what photos are You talking about , that they are colored by You .
But You did n't answer Me on My site .
Instead of that You put a post in the Forum " Alexander Palace " , where You you accuse Me , that I marked Your colored photos with my mark .
I think that we had to discuss this question in private form , may be You are mistaking ,
but You decided to make this problen public .
I again answrer You , that I don't remember where I'v found Your modified photo with Your watermark .
You even can't imagine how many sites in Russia , where We can find our colored photos .
Not all of them You can find , a lot of them are special , only for Russians .
And I changed that photo to the original , as You asked .
And about colorising Your photos :
You didn't tell Me , what Your photos You find on My site with My mark , so I don't know what We are talking about .
I can colorise photos myself and don't need to put My mark on photos , which were colorised by You .
If You once colorised some photo , it does n't mean that somebody else can't colorise the same photo .
Each of us have colorised the same photos , and this are different colorisings .
I'm sorry that this problem made You so sad .
But may be You are mistaking in accusing Me .
I do not steal other people's work .
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i didnt accused ANYONE since i didnt put ANYONE names, You re accusing yourself and YOU are making this public.
I was just asking if someone being thru this.
And honey...im not talking about your colorized pics. i know that you re a wonderful artist, but, there are some of them with my watermark removed and YOUR watermark on it
Strange, isnt it?
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None of this can be prove but none of this can be disprove either...because there are no concrete evidences which were posted here to see...
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check your inbox ;-)
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Now i see everything....
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i didnt accused ANYONE since i didnt put ANYONE names, You re accusing yourself and YOU are making this public.
I was just asking if someone being thru this.
And honey...im not talking about your colorized pics. i know that you re a wonderful artist, but, there are some of them with my watermark removed and YOUR watermark on it
Strange, isnt it?
I see nothing strange .
I have thousands photos in my computer and many versions of different photos , colored and B&W , with watermarks and without them .
I don't know which of them I colorise , but I colorise only B&W photos .
And B&W photos must not have any watermark. They are not a property of some person.
I simply take B&W photo and colorise it .
I can't colorise photo with someones watermark , what for ?
And I put My mark only on My works.
And You can see that My colored photos are absolutely different from Yours .
I always posted photos , scanned by Me and never put any watermarks on them .
I never prohibited to use My B&W photos to anybody.
Some time ago I asked everybody to give Me a permision to post their colored photos on My site and to use sometimes in My films .
Nobody refused .
I can't delete some of them from My films , but I'll remove them from My sites .
And so , I say Goog bye to everybody .
From this day I'll never post My colored pictures on this fotum .
Tatiana .
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i didnt accused ANYONE since i didnt put ANYONE names, You re accusing yourself and YOU are making this public.
I was just asking if someone being thru this.
And honey...im not talking about your colorized pics. i know that you re a wonderful artist, but, there are some of them with my watermark removed and YOUR watermark on it
Strange, isnt it?
And again,.,you accused yourself since i didnt call any name
You posted the problem on the forum instead of answering Me on My site .
You suppose that I had to wait untill You called My name Yourself on the Forum or in Private Messages to everybody ?
No ! I'm not a coward ! And I dont think that I'm guilty .
You found something from Your watermark on My colorising ..
And what it means ? That B&W photo which I colorised had this " something " , no more !
I didn't take Your colored photo and put My watermark over Your , using Your colorising ,
as You are telling everybody on the Forum and in PM .
I colorised B&W photo ( with Your " something " on it ) myself and didn't use Your " wonderfull " colorising .
My pictures are much better than Yours , isn't them ?
What for shall I use Your colorising ?
Our pictures very often looks alike because we know what colors we must use when coloring uniforms .
And We can't use green or blue if the uniform must be , for example , white .
The color of the skin is also not red or green.
So , if someboby is using in colorising the same colors , You will think that they used Your colorising ?
This is stupid !
And another problem : If You post Your works on some sites or forums , You must be ready ,
that a lot of people can download Your works and nobody will ask Your permission to use them .
It's internet !
If You don't understand it , it'll be better to post Your works in Yours closed albums and watch them alone !
Oh !It' so fun , all this closed albums , like a games of little girls with their small secrets !
I find My pictures everywhere ,posted by other people , on many sites , and I don't surprise at all , it's internet .
I color My pictures for everybody . And everybody can use them.
I give My scanned photos to everyody and never mark them .
You can take My colored photo , make it B&W , delete My mark and make Your own colorising and put Your mark on it .
It'll be Your work.
And I 'll never even think to say that You use My colorising , because it's Your colorising .
What a problem !?
But You made a problem for Me and made My further work in colorising photos impossible on this Forum.
Tatiana .
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Katya !
Look at this photos . They are from My computer .
(http://i013.radikal.ru/0907/10/6436b913240et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i013.radikal.ru/0907/10/6436b913240e.jpg.html)
(http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0907/c4/e149928a8c25t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s55.radikal.ru/i149/0907/c4/e149928a8c25.jpg.html)
And this is B&W version of the photo with " something " from Your watermark .
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/a4/cc03a49e2a79t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/a4/cc03a49e2a79.jpg.html)
What was the reason for Me to remove Your watermark , if I had versions withought Your watermark ?
I chose this version by chance , I could colorise another version withought spelling a lot of time removing Your watermark .
And the same is with all My colored photos of Nicholas II Withought Your watermaks !
For example :
(http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0907/4b/c6e7bf54540et.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s55.radikal.ru/i147/0907/4b/c6e7bf54540e.jpg.html)
(http://i005.radikal.ru/0907/d7/c119debdbba2t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i005.radikal.ru/0907/d7/c119debdbba2.jpg.html)
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0907/4f/354cbef777fdt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i085/0907/4f/354cbef777fd.jpg.html)
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0907/47/bebff80ce265t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i130/0907/47/bebff80ce265.jpg.html)
(http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0907/18/211b70d53754t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s39.radikal.ru/i083/0907/18/211b70d53754.jpg.html)
(http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0907/f5/e93f9600729ct.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s48.radikal.ru/i119/0907/f5/e93f9600729c.jpg.html)
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Just it's not my job but to say i love they way both of you how you colour and i would miss very much Tatiana's work here...so please don't stop posting....Your images are full with reality...also Katenka i love also the way you colour because no one can ever copy you....Your images are always done with so many love.....Whatever it happened i hope you both forget it... I apologize if i said something wrong
Best Regards
Elisabeth
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And the same is with all My works !
(http://i076.radikal.ru/0907/ce/aa999b932b95t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i076.radikal.ru/0907/ce/aa999b932b95.jpg.html)
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/f7/7df31c8bea91t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/f7/7df31c8bea91.jpg.html)
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0907/de/7e8248a235dbt.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i130/0907/de/7e8248a235db.jpg.html)
(http://i062.radikal.ru/0907/2d/815ba654e2d6t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/i062.radikal.ru/0907/2d/815ba654e2d6.jpg.html)
(http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0907/81/a2a2cfdfb229t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i158/0907/81/a2a2cfdfb229.jpg.html)
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/9c/87017dfb44d7t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/9c/87017dfb44d7.jpg.html)
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/18/cc78ffd19f54t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/18/cc78ffd19f54.jpg.html)
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0907/59/dc95085ed2c0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s53.radikal.ru/i140/0907/59/dc95085ed2c0.jpg.html)
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Just it's not my job but to say i love they way both of you how you colour and i would miss very much Tatiana's work here...so please don't stop posting....Your images are full with reality...also Katenka i love also the way you colour because no one can ever copy you....Your images are always done with so many love.....Whatever it happened i hope you both forget it... I apologize if i said something wrong
Best Regards
Elisabeth
couldn't agree more! please Tatiana don't stop posting your works, they're magnificent! I hope you two soon will forget it, just like Elly said.
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Just it's not my job but to say i love they way both of you how you colour and i would miss very much Tatiana's work here...so please don't stop posting....Your images are full with reality...also Katenka i love also the way you colour because no one can ever copy you....Your images are always done with so many love.....Whatever it happened i hope you both forget it... I apologize if i said something wrong
Best Regards
Elisabeth
Thank you , Elisabeth , but You have no reason to apologise , nothing for !
The reason for I posted all this photos only to show everybody , that I don't put My mark over Katya's colorisings .
I have a large collection of photos , may be the largest , and there are so many versions of the same photos .
And each of us likes to colorise photos themself , I don't understand what is the reason for any of us
to take somebody's colorising instead of getting pleasure of self-colorising .
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Thank you Justine
And yes Tanya you are right.... Coloring is for pleasure and for me is great pleasure to see different versions of a photos....But when we are speaking about uniforms i agree with you that when it's blue (and we know it by information) we can put green for example but it won't be the same....Also i think we are all trying to be closer to the truth....Like we know the colour of hair and eyes...it wouldn't set well again for example Alix to be with dark brown hair and green eyes....
And i'm greatly happy that you share your b&w version with us....indeed i've seen couple of rare ones posted by you.
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(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/a4/cc03a49e2a79t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/a4/cc03a49e2a79.jpg.html)
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This is NOT the black and white version of my colorized picture, it is your version turned b&W
This is the B&W verson of mine, the one you supposedly found (see they re complety different
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3682051736_15b38acbd3_o.jpg)
anyways, if you find a picture in black and white with the notorious mark of another colorizer you SHOULD use to avoid "misunderstoods". You know well if you want a b&W version of a picture, you can ask for it here. We got an special topic for request like that (or ask for the B&W version of the one who colorized, as Irina did a few days ago with this very same picture)
Besides the similarities in colors (like the medal sashs, background and etc etc) you SHOULDNT edit other people s work like you did with the one of nicky as hussar, the one of nicky on the horse and another one of Nicky s profile (those displayed on your gallery). That s disrespectful.
As i told you in th PM i sent you, you re a great colorist , that why i didnt understand why you did that (and why you edited my notoriously marked pics).
End of the discussion. If someone has doubts about what im saying, i ll send the info via PM. This whole topic really pisses me off cause, i know im not a great colorist as Ally, justine and others, but i like what i do
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I never edit Your works . If I want , I make My own colorising , it's much better than edit Your works .
If I posted somewhere Your photos edited by someone , with Your mark , it doesn't mean that I edited Your work .
May be somebody of thousands people using internet found this picture and tryed to do it better ?
And again I tell You , if You colorised some photo it does not mean that nobody can colorise it withought Your permission .
I have My own B&W photos and I'll never ask Your permission to color photos , which I have on My computer .
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oh god. Of course B&W pictures are free to use, no one is saying other thing., What it piss me off is found my pictures edited with oh coincidence! the same edition you give to your own creation.
No one is saying you cant colorize pictures, i ve seen your work and its awesome, but, can you explain why all those pictures were in YOUR galleries?. Why if you ask to another colorist over here to put their pictures in your videos WHY YOU DIDNT ASK ME to put my watermarked work in your webpage?. Come one! we re members of the same forum and we post colorized pictures in the same place. I knmow that "Faces from the past" is GD Ally, I know that Justine is Alix of Hesse (justine over here" i know that TZ its you. Why you posted those pictures and you didnt ask me (or just tell me) and you ask another to put those colored pictures in yout video?
That s one thing
another thing of the "something" of my watermark, dont put it between "" because ITS part of my watermark on it!
Your version (beautiful edition by the way)
(http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0903/d3/518372366d98t.jpg)
"Some of my mark"
(http://i39.tinypic.com/ivlbhc.jpg)
The one done by me (not the best i ve done...)
(http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/284/d/6/d648fb8826b7d13e541931b25e4cd08d.jpg)
Where is placed the watermark
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2s97pfk.jpg)
And again...You said this was my colorized picture in B&W with "some of my mark" removed?
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0907/a4/cc03a49e2a79.jpg)
Well...no!. This is the B&W version of my colorized one
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3682051736_15b38acbd3_o.jpg)
(and if someone wants to do the try changing my version to B&W, here s the version. If you ppl have any doubt, try to become B&W Tatiana s version)
http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/284/d/6/d648fb8826b7d13e541931b25e4cd08d.jpg
PS: i wonder why you used the one with "some of my mark removed" instead the full version you posted. That one its much much better than the one i used!
Too much coincidence , dont you think?. I stand by my words and if i saw in any way CONCRETE proofs of what im saying its wrong, i ll be the first in ask you in open forum, apologies, cause i accept my mistakes. I dont need to hide behind a shield of lies.
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I have nothing to add .
I already said everything that I considered necessary to say .
And ,of course ,I removed photos with Your watermark from My sites .
And You can be absolutely sure that I'll never use Your colored photos in My films .
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But you will continue to post photos right?
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of course, its up to her ;-).End of the discussion. I think its all pretty clear now and we can move on ;-)
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Look where you can fin your pics.... the one of OTMA is mine! (just scroll down)
http://www.shopstyle.com/action/viewLook?id=795358
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That happens because you re pretty good colorizing. Remember when in a russian website people thought that your colored pics were Prokudin-Gorskii`s ones xD.
Well...at least they re not selling them . When the page opened i thought they were selling prints of your work. You should contact the girl and lettinmg her know that s your work or do the same thing i do..put HUGE watermarks across. Its not nice but prevents people of delete then, steal your job and even modify them ;-) .
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Well they are not selling it...Just showing the Grand Duchesses....it's internet it's normal...
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Im saying just in case. Plus, happens that if someone finds a nice colorized pictuire withput watermark, this person can use it for profit.
Look what happened to Lanie a few years ago
Art Thief selling colored pictures taken from here on ebay (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=7493.0)
Thats why colorizers should protect their work with watermarks, always.
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I´m not really angry with this girl, as long as she doesn´t claim the image for her own ar tries to sell it :) I used to be a bit more touchy, but I grew tired, because I´ve been finding tons of my images copied and used.....
Katenka - you are absolutely right about watermarks! I used to have tine little "romanovy" in the right bottom corner, but now I have quite significant "Faces of the past" usually in the middle of the image!
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AAAARHG!!!
Could anybody give this girl a piece of their minds?
http://afenali.deviantart.com/
she´s stealing my pictures and retouches them - from the Olga 1914 one she didn t even bother to take of my watermerk!!!
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Im so sorry this happened to you. I know how does it feel and the only advice i can give to you is send her a message threating her to denounce her if she keeps ripping your work. Also, i assume this is a little girl with much time in her hands to retouch your work so you could talk to her about copyright to scare her a bit.
The baddest thing of all this is that she s selling prints of "her works"
This sucks, for real =(
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Ps: Ally, i reccomend this Lj community to denounce her.
http://community.livejournal.com/art_theft/profile
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Thank you for the link Katenka! I´ll probably register there and if she doesn´t explain herself, I´ll make this public.
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i threaten her to denounce her in the communiuty. If she s intelligent (i doubt it since she favorited your work and then ripped them) she will take off all the stuff she didnt colorize
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AAAARHG!!!
Could anybody give this girl a piece of their minds?
http://afenali.deviantart.com/
she´s stealing my pictures and retouches them - from the Olga 1914 one she didn t even bother to take of my watermerk!!!
She didn't even bother to remove your watermark? Wow, that's just sad. She had already taken the Olga pic down by the time I went on deviantart today, but I did see the one of Maria and Anastasia. I'm JelloHorse on deviantart, by the way, and as you know, one of your biggest fans. I'm really sorry that happened to you...
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HAHAHAHA!! she got scared with the comments we left.
Ally, why you didnt say anything to her about Anastasia & maria`s picture?. That s obviously a wishy washy poorly edited version of yours. She even cropped it to get rid of the mark ¬¬
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I thought she would get it, wouldn´t you? Those pictures are all of my doing....
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Well..in the beggining i thought that too but, reading her replies, i realised this girl is dumb as a door.
Send her a message telling her that you know all of her pictures where colorized by you and if she didnt take em all off of her site, you will denounce her to deviantart staff.
If she got cared with the replies in Olga s picture, she will get even more scared when he read your message.
she s not just taking your work, modifying it and putting them on display..she s also selling them and that s uber wrong.
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look what i ve found ON SALE on ebay
Click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200384889188&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)
Who colored that one?
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I´m not sure, but it looks like Isabel´s work to me. :(
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If you browse this site, you´ll find not only mine colourings, but I also recognized the work of TatianaZ and there may be more...
http://www.niki-alix.ru/index/eng/
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I didn't saw your coloured pictures but site as design and at all is wonderful!
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I didn't saw your coloured pictures but site as design and at all is wonderful!
I used had a look at the site and I found pictures coloured by both Ally and TatianaZ. Have a look in the Persons-section. There you will find a bunch of pictures coloured by Ally.
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i saw your pics and tatiana s one. This is a serious project, not an amateur page, so you could left him/her a message in the guestbook about the colored pictures ;-)
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Well i believe some people are using Alena's coloured photos because they don't have a way to ask her for this permission and same goes for Tatiana.It's indeed bad to do this.... Sorry to hear it's still happening....
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Well..for principles...if i find a colored picture i want to ue for a website and i dont know who colorize it to ask for permission....i just dont use it Period.
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Ps: i already left a message in the guestbook. I dont remember tatiana`s gallery Link to put it there =(
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Well i believe some people are using Alena's coloured photos because they don't have a way to ask her for this permission and same goes for Tatiana.It's indeed bad to do this.... Sorry to hear it's still happening....
Please, don´t call me that. I don´t like my name.
I´m aware that people can find the picture and have no clue about who coloured it. I accept that. But if they are honest, they should credit the person when they find out.
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I agree with you Ally and i apologize just wrote it without thinking
I'm on opinion that they should not use it if they don't know who which coloured it or write something to tell it's not his/her own
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I´m aware that people can find the picture and have no clue about who coloured it. I accept that. But if they are honest, they should credit the person when they find out.
So, wait and see.
That's strange because that site is very well done. I'm sure people such good at making beautiful things like that know about copyright .... = /
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Now they know at least where came the pictures colorized by Ally. ;-)
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I stumble upon this one on ebay and i wonder who colorized it
http://cgi.ebay.com/mm335-a-younger-Czarina-Dagmar-Russia-photo-6x4-/360288957410?pt=UK_Collectables_Postcards_MJ#ht_483wt_1099
and this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/mm318-a-younger-Queen-Mary-POW-photo-6x4-/360288957362?pt=UK_Collectables_Postcards_MJ#ht_483wt_1099
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Does someone recognice this one and who colorized it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220725076229&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_2748wt_698
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Honestly looks like it is painted by someone who is a moderate at paintshop-pro. No offense to the person who colored it. I think I will contact this seller as I'm very certain he took this picture from AP.
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Just sent the person a message saying they took it from AP. Just not right in my opinion to flog it off and wanting $13 for it wtf.
OMG just saw it has a watermark of Romanov. How stupid is this seller?
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Very stupid and even more, the people who bouy this kinds stuff is even more stupid . How sad u.u
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I got a response, he said he respected the czar and family and he got the photo from a friend who was a collector. ::) Then he asked if I would contact the person or find out who did it so they could get permission to sell.
Uh so so sad and yes Katenka I agree with you that there is some silly Romanov fans out there that would snap it up.