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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Wittlesbachs => Topic started by: Yseult on September 30, 2008, 12:30:38 PM

Title: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yseult on September 30, 2008, 12:30:38 PM
Surely, you have lots of pictures and info about her...
 ;)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/PrinzessinAlfonsvonBayern.jpg)

I´ve read Alfons and Louise were deeply in love...
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2008, 01:35:40 PM
Surely, you have lots of pictures and info about her...
 

Is it a delicate hint? : )

Well, the most lovely of her pictures IMO.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessLuise.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessLuise_1904.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessLuise_1906.jpg)

with her son

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessLuise_son_1909.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2008, 01:37:15 PM

I´ve read Alfons and Louise were deeply in love...

And I read that their marriage was arranged when Marie Valerie of Austria refused Alfons and offered Luise, her cousin, as a future wife for him.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yseult on September 30, 2008, 01:48:40 PM
In a spanish site about the descendants of our infantas married into the Wittesbach house, I´ve read Alfons and Louise were seriously attracted firsly and later in love. But Alfons had not a great annual income, just around 51.000 francs per year. So, he stated clearly that Louise´s dowry must be the same amount of money, to guarantee them a good life together ;) Ferdinand of Alençon was not happy being under such a pressure about his daughter´s dowry. And the duke of Nemours, Louise´s grandfather, was not happy neither.

At this point, it seems that Alençon did rather considerated a wedding between Louise and prince Ferdinand of Coburg. And Alfons was turning his mind to archduchess Maria Dorothea of Coburg, the lady who, later, would be married to Philippe d´Orleans. But, at the end, the dowry of Louise was arranged and the engagedment was announced...
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2008, 02:10:45 PM
I don't think Sophie played a great deal in her daughter's marriage. Although she did told the groom's mother "my daughter in is your hands now."
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: gogm on October 01, 2008, 01:26:22 AM
To Yseult and Svetabel - Nice pics!
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: REMI on October 02, 2008, 07:11:33 AM

 archduchess Maria Dorothea of Coburg, the lady who, later, would be married to Philippe d´Orleans.

Dear Yseult, Maria Dorothea is archduchess of AUSTRIA
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yseult on October 02, 2008, 12:04:22 PM

 archduchess Maria Dorothea of Coburg, the lady who, later, would be married to Philippe d´Orleans.

Dear Yseult, Maria Dorothea is archduchess of AUSTRIA

Right ;)
Sorry, I was with my head on the clouds ;)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on October 15, 2008, 08:05:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Bourbon/Bourbon-Orleans/Louise%20Victoire/alfonsbavaria1862-7.jpg)

Louise with her husband Alfons, her son Josef Clemens and baby daughter Elisabeth
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 10:57:09 AM
Elisabeth grew up into a very attractive young woman.  ;)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on October 19, 2008, 11:36:15 AM
Alfons

(http://i38.tinypic.com/1ifsyh.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on December 16, 2008, 12:15:17 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/5btgcx.jpg)

Louise with her children
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 03:57:32 PM
Lovely postcard. Did you get it ?
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: grandduchessella on December 16, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
It was up for sale on ebay.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on December 17, 2008, 02:29:52 PM
In ebay. com.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on March 02, 2009, 01:26:06 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/99750f03.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 05:11:55 PM
Louise look prematurely plump...
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on March 04, 2009, 12:54:44 AM
Louise look prematurely plump...

That photo is from the 1914-1915 year. Do you think she must look youthfully slender in her 45-46 years ??
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
Well...Her mother and Aunts all did.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on March 04, 2009, 12:25:48 PM
Well...Her mother and Aunts all did.

This doesn't mean Luise must have folllow their anoretic ways. Also the sentence "prematurely plump" for a middle-aged woman sounds strange .
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2009, 01:43:28 PM
In any other family it would be common. But as a member of a family who pride their thin waist and figure. It does seem odd. Her cousin Elizabeth (Queen of Belgium) retained her figure till old age.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Svetabel on March 05, 2009, 01:05:08 AM
In any other family it would be common. But as a member of a family who pride their thin waist and figure. It does seem odd.

Nothing odd. Every person is unique, has its own life and health. The genetics is a whimsical thing.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on March 05, 2009, 10:59:36 AM
She slimmed down when she got older. Just had that "baby weight" thing goin on for a while.

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2009, 11:01:06 AM
Or because of the pregnancies ? She was very slim before her marriage.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 28, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
Lovely images that you posted, specially the first ones, the ones that she appears alone ;-)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on January 09, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Clemens looks like Willy Wonka, very cute
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/cle-v.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2010, 07:01:19 PM
What a charming photo. He looks so cute.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on February 10, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2iax6pz.jpg)

Louises daughter??
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2010, 09:42:54 AM
Yes. Elisabeth ! Boy she also looks like a young Doris Duke !
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 11, 2010, 02:41:12 PM
The photo of Clemens is really cute ;-)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2010, 06:09:45 PM
Yes. Like a young lord in a play.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 12, 2010, 04:35:00 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2iax6pz.jpg)

Louises daughter??

Elisabeth inherited Louise's eyes. Later she was much thinner and had more female features. In this pic she really looks like a young man.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on February 12, 2010, 12:23:41 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/34gouty.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2mgkzns.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/357iumf.jpg)

Joseph Clemens


Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on February 12, 2010, 12:24:23 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2iax6pz.jpg)

Louises daughter??

Elisabeth inherited Louise's eyes. Later she was much thinner and had more female features. In this pic she really looks like a young man.

A bit, yes.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
Yes. She looks a bit like Augusta Viktoria, Queen of Portugal.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
Elisabeth und Clemens were so sweet together

(http://i46.tinypic.com/dgpk74.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/34xgj6x.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2psloyf.jpg)

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Lovely postcards. Not too much when they grew up...
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 14, 2010, 04:28:09 AM
Lovely postcards. Not too much when they grew up...

I'm in contact with one of Elisabeth's granddaughters. She once sent me some photos of Elisabeth as an adult. In my opinion she wasn't a beauty, but a good-looking woman. Even as an old lady, she had a smart appearance and seemed to be happy.

I guess I have never seen pictures of Clemens Joseph as an adult except for the one Rani posted. This photo was published in a book about the Wittelsbach-crypts by Hans Rall. As far as I know he worked as an art historian and was quite close to Jean-Louis Schlimm as the author once mentioned in an interview about Sophie Charlotte d'Alencon.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on February 14, 2010, 08:17:35 AM

At wikipedia you can read that he was an art historian and unmarried. Don´t know why. I think both of them are quite unknown. A pity.



(http://i48.tinypic.com/15d2ul3.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/j9y69w.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2d1tr46.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 14, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Love to hear more about them. Their lives are very obsqure...
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 25, 2010, 08:22:53 AM
Very interesting post Rani, is really good to see it ;-)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2010, 02:30:34 PM
I see a lot of photos of Louise in family groups, she must have been a very active old lady.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on March 05, 2010, 04:55:03 PM


(http://i49.tinypic.com/2q0prms.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2010, 07:21:30 PM
An excellent photograph. She wears the tall tiara she wears in the early years. I suspect it might have been part of her dowry or wedding present. She later wore a big floral tiara in her later years.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 08, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
What beautiful dress and jewels, it's a very pretty image indeed
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on March 09, 2010, 10:47:59 AM
You can read on the photo: "To my dear Louise"

(http://i44.tinypic.com/dpg6ir.jpg)

He was quite friendly.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 17, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
It's interesting, today I went into an antique shop and there was a lovely cabinet card of this couple in a large frame with a golden crown above and also the Prince's calling card and a piece of headed writing paper and surrounded by several brass coins of  Ludwig II...I didn't realise this was the daughter of the duchesse d'Alençon! They sound like a very interesting family. :):)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 20, 2010, 02:23:59 PM
...well I won't keep you in suspense any longer. I did acquire the picture described above, after all why shouldn't I treat myself??
It's a lovely picture, maybe some members have a clearer one though!
I would love to know the date it was taken!
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3475/finalphoto.jpg)

God bless you all!!
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on July 20, 2010, 05:21:40 PM
Your photo must be around 1895

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/Bayern_Alfons_1232713_Bild02_10x20.jpg)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/Bayern_Alfons_1232713_Bild03_9x20.jpg)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/34031772.jpg)

He looked really good on the last photo.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on July 20, 2010, 05:25:27 PM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/Bayern_Alfons_1232713_Bild05_16x10.jpg)

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/prwz.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 21, 2010, 07:55:42 AM
Yes. Love to see more of those too,
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 21, 2010, 10:19:09 AM
Eddie! wonderful image! i love pictures of Louise as a young woman. thanks for sharing and lucky you!

Oh my pleasure Katenka :):) I'm glad you like, you have so many times posted pictures I  just love!! Pity it's not clearer but I think the glass does not help. I didn't know much about Louise before and now I am keen to find out more about her. I know she was born in Teddington which is very close to where I live!

Thank you Rani, I wonder if the photo is slightly earlier. Alfons looks younger then in the one he has dated 1896. Maybe around the time of there marriage, 1891....I think it's so important to date photos.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 09, 2010, 09:12:44 AM
Proud mama with baby Elisabeth. Courtesy of the ANNO

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5355/elisabethlvb.jpg) (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/elisabethlvb.jpg/)

 

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Hector on November 01, 2010, 12:39:44 AM
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1558/alencongirl.jpg)
As a young girl


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Wedding_Louise_d%27Orl%C3%A9ans_Alfons_von_Bayern.jpg)
On her wedding day


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Louise_Victoria_Alen%C3%A7on.jpg)
Taken in 1891


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Louise_of_Bavaria.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 01, 2010, 07:30:33 AM
Little Louise (1)  with cousins Maria Theresa (Madi) (2) Amalie (3) in Bayern and brother Emmanuele.

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs469.ash2/74233_487189047243_582267243_6862445_6845621_n.jpg)

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 02, 2010, 01:54:07 PM
Thank You for this new photo  :-*

This photo is actually well-known. Dominique Paoli published it in her biography "La Duchesse d'Alencon".

Number 3 is most probably Archduchess Marie Valérie.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on November 02, 2010, 02:00:15 PM
I would say it´s more Amalie.

If you compare their faces

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2361/3d218492b463039253o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 02, 2010, 02:03:50 PM
Here another of the cousins to compare.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25237851@N03/4034393011/
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: THERRY on November 02, 2010, 03:55:27 PM
For me too she is Amalie in Bayern
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 02, 2010, 05:57:21 PM
I agree.

As far as I remember Dominique Paoli identified the girl as Archduchess Marie Valérie. I didn't have a closer look at the photo and just memorized what I once read. But yes, I also think it's Amélie - although it's a strange combination, because there aren't - at least - known pictures of Amélie and her cousins except for Marie Valérie and the one taken at Ludovica's 80th birthday in 1888.
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 24, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
Young couple

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2hg7e9t.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 24, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
Beautiful! Apparently Louise married in 1891 & had her first child in 1902, I wonder what the story was there! :)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Rani on March 26, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Some photos of Alfons

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild05_10x16.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild08_10x21.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild04_10x16.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild02_10x16.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild07_9x20.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild06_10x16.jpg)

A nice one

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Alfons_1252847_Bild03_10x16.jpg)

And one of Louise

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/Bayern_Therese_1252851_Bild03_10x16.jpg)

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 26, 2011, 07:04:46 PM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/prin-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 27, 2011, 09:34:13 AM
Young couple engaged

(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2971/rgergscd.jpg) (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/rgergscd.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: THERRY on March 29, 2011, 07:03:18 AM
They do not seem very happy  :o
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: bednayaliza on November 30, 2013, 08:56:22 AM
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i601/1311/8c/7a6926fb0bb4t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/0d8190c90aa44384aa91746fba190bca)

Louise and her beautiful hair
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: bednayaliza on November 30, 2013, 08:59:12 AM
(http://i016.radikal.ru/1311/30/90ad80e10fd1t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/db054ce8f5084d0fab8d3bf367c41e35)



(http://s020.radikal.ru/i712/1311/45/c3b61974afd0t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/fp/96ee7ad83b7f4ccca1f6b2c420a353c4)

Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 30, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7233434756_ab11c3511a_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5076/5799650391_edfc9319e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 23, 2015, 01:25:31 PM
(http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.2362281.1424607514!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/640x360/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 03, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Foto-1891-Prinz-Alfons-von-Bayern-Louise-Alencon-Nichte-Kaiserin-Sisi-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/Ki8AAOSwPYZU70vH/$_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Louise, prinzessin Alfons von Bayern
Post by: Marie Valerie on November 11, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
I read a book about the House of Wittelsbach and WWI.
Louise is only mentioned as wife of Prinz Alfons.
It is interesting that she was Not treated badly - as a formaly french Princess.
If you compare this to MA the Duchess of Coburg...
Maybe because Alfons was much beloved or her Mother Sophie Charlotte brought her up as a (half) German.