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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Yussupovs => Topic started by: JM on March 30, 2004, 04:19:12 PM

Title: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: JM on March 30, 2004, 04:19:12 PM
I remember reading somewhere (most likely on this site) that the Yussupov family had a "house" in Tsarkoe Selo. What happend to it?


Thanks
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Forum Admin on March 30, 2004, 04:37:20 PM
It is still there, but (at last report a few years ago) in need of total repair.  Several different Russian owners "bought" it, each promising to restore it, but nothing had been done and the town was trying to evict them...
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 30, 2004, 05:16:09 PM
I was there last summer and although the basic structure is still standing, as well as some iron railings and facade rococo mouldings, but the building is COMPLETELY neglected. The garden is full of debris and you can even go into the rooms. Nothing in its interior has been preserved and the floor is certainly dangerous...I´ve seen many photographs of this interiors in Jacques Ferrand splendid book. They matched the rococo exteriors and were lovely(in my opinion). There´s as far as i know an official project for its restauration...we´ll see...
I use to take thousands of photos when in Russia and will try to find some friend to help me finding the way to post those related to these buildings in this forum.
Computers and me....  
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: BobAtchison on March 30, 2004, 07:55:17 PM
Around ten years ago Suzanne Massie and I were offered the abandoned Yussupov Pavillion if we would arrange to have it restored.  Suzanne would have had the Russian offices of her Firebird Foundation there.

There were squatters in the pavillion at the time, but the pavillion was pretty much okay - if something of a wreck.

When word got out regarding the offer the pavillion was set on fire by a jealous Russian 'businessman' whose plans to turn it into his own country datcha were about to be overturned.

Bob
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: jda on March 30, 2004, 08:12:45 PM
The restoration of the Yussupov dacha began in the summer of 2003.  As of August 2003 the roofing was completed and  internal work was to begin in the autumn.  The work is planned to be finished on May 2005.  This info came from the Tsarskoe Selo newspaper articles for August 8, 2003 and March 4, 2004.  These can be found by going to
http://www.pushkin-town.net/  and clicking on Tsarskoselskaya Gazeta.  This gives you a list by date  of all the articles from the Tsarskoe Selo newspaper.  Use AltaVista's Babel Fish to translate.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 31, 2004, 07:40:53 AM
Dear Bob,

Was the Yussupov Villa at Tsarskoe Selo built by Rastrelli?  Please note its similarity to the Rastrelli-designed Belosselsky-Belozersky palace on Kresstovsky Island...



Nick
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Valmont on March 31, 2004, 11:04:43 AM
I might be wrong, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am. I canot find the reference, but I remember reading a long time ago, the Yussupov pavilion was offered to one of the Yussupovas' princess (cannot recall which one) by one of the Tsars (cannot recall which one either) in exchange for an affair, which she denied, and got the plans from the architect, and built it hereself.
Could it be from "Lost Splendor"??.. I cannot remember.


Arturo Vega Llausás
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: BobAtchison on March 31, 2004, 01:06:17 PM
Nick wasn't the Pavillion designed by Stakenscheider or Moginetti?

Bob
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on March 31, 2004, 01:33:45 PM
Dear Bob,

I know that the B-B house on Krestovsky was by Rastrelli, as it was built slghtly before the original Thomas de Thomon house on the Fontanka, and I believe it was built just after the Switchback Pavillion at Oranienbaum on which it was based.

I can imagine that it was revamped extensively by Stackenschneider in the 1840-50's when the new B-B palace was built, but I know it was already there then.  Could the Yusupov house be by Monighetti?  I just don't know.

Nick
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on March 31, 2004, 05:10:07 PM
The Yusupov dacha was built in 1856 by I. Moniguetti for Princess Zinaida Yusupova( nee Sheremetyeva). The architect was evidently inspired in Rastrelli´s  Hermitage pavillion.  After 1917 it was used as sanatorium and children institution. The man in the photograph beside Felix is Anna Virubova´s brother.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Forum Admin on April 10, 2004, 11:40:11 AM
Our great thanks to Antonio for providing these pictures of the Yussupov dacha at Tsarkoe as it appeared in 2003:
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Louise on April 10, 2004, 10:47:50 PM
I look at the ruin of these once majestic palaces/villas, and I want to cry. Thank god there are some who beleive the past should be restored.

Thanks for posting those pics. I close my eyes and I can see the villa as it once was.

Louise
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Candice on April 14, 2004, 05:04:10 PM
Forum Admin, can you tell me who the two people are.



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for the curious, the Yussupov Pavilion/Dacha at Tsarskoe Selo, pre 1917:

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/yusupovpav.jpg)

Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 14, 2004, 05:17:45 PM
Hello Candice,
They are Prince Felix Yusupov and Anna Virubova´s brother, Serguey Taneyev.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Arleen on April 15, 2004, 06:02:55 AM
I believe you are right Joanna, I have always been intrigued by Anna and think that there is a lot more to her than we know, I wish someone would do some investigating.  Her albums intrigue me, there is your proof of many things.       ..Arleen
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 15, 2004, 06:40:22 AM
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I first saw this photograph on the Yale site. Antonio did you see other photographs in the album of Princess Zinaida standing in one with Anna Vyrubova under an awning doorway? Were these also taken in the Yussupov pavilion?

Since finding Anna's five albums with photographs of the connection between the Taneyevs and Felix, I am interpreting Felix's writings on Anna Vyrubova differently. It was easy to discredit her based on appearance and lack of intellect. And his and others memoirs propigated that picture of ridicule of her through the decades. And yet the photographs of Felix at the Taneyevs' Peterhof cottage show the friendship. I am also curious how many other albums Anna had and where they are located today.

Joanna


Hello Joanna!
Yes, i saw the other photograph and if i remember well it was also taken in the dacha. If there are any other albums they must be preserved in the GARF...i suppose...i think prince Yusupov followed the easiest way(spanish expression that do not know how translate criticizing Anna in his memoirs....
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: BobAtchison on April 15, 2004, 09:39:44 AM
People othen forget that Anna was the daughter of a famous Russian composer and high-ranking Government official.  She was raised a noblewoman, spoke like them, shared their values and style of living.  Had she married and stayed quiet like his sister no one would probably have said anything about her.

Whatever her faults she went through hell in the revolution and was brutally treated by the new authorities.  After she got out of prison she never turned on the family - as others did - and stayed in contact, trying to help the family in exile as best she could.

Bob
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Candice on April 15, 2004, 02:19:03 PM
Thank you Antonio.  I do wish the photo was clearer, the figures are very tiny. I know the intention was to show the Pavillion but the people are also interesting.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Forum Admin on April 15, 2004, 02:25:46 PM
Candice,
I tried to blow up and sharpen just the two figures, but the original picture is just too blurry and grainy and small to be of much help. This is common with Vyroubova's photos. Sorry.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Sari Hirvonen-Skarbo on April 15, 2004, 03:55:33 PM
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The Yusupov dacha was built in 1856 by I. Moniguetti for Princess Zinaida Yusupova( nee Sheremetyeva). The architect was evidently inspired in Rastrelli´s  Hermitage pavillion.  After 1917 it was used as sanatorium and children institution.

Hello!
I want to have more information about  Zinaida Ivanovna Narishkina (1809-1893) as married Princess  Zinaida Yousopova.  Where you have got the name  "nee Sheremetyeva"? Do you about more her origins, Felix doesn´t write very much about it. Where did you get information that dacha was built in 1856?
- A quote from Youssupov The Lost Splendor:  ---. However, she bought a piece of land adjoining the Imperial Palace and built a pavilion on it which was an exact copy of the one offered by the Tsar. "
Zineida  also builded the Yousupov mansion in Finland, Helsinki called Peach Point, Rauhaniemi, in the beginning of 1840-ies. Architect was Anders Granstedt.
The mansion which situated besides of the Spa, is demolished. Read George Schoolfield, Helsinki of the Czars. 1995.
Best wishes Sari H-s
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 15, 2004, 04:36:25 PM
Hello Sari:
The information i posted came from a new russian book:
"Tsarskoe Selo in postcards from the end of 19th siecle and the beginning of the 20th" by Alexandr Sochagin,  Sankt Peterburg 2001.
I´m reread some genealogical soureces and you are right, the book i quoted was mistaken. So she was a Narishkina by birth.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 15, 2004, 05:02:13 PM
 More information:
Zenaide Ivanovna Narishkina(Moscow 2/14 november 1809; Boulogne sur Seine 16 october 1893) was daughter of the chamberlain and marshall of the nobility from the distrit of Stychevka, Smolensk government, Ivan Dmitrevich Narishkin. Her mother was the natural daughter of Ivan Nikolaevich Rimsky-Korsakov, one of Catherine II´s favourites around 1778.
Her husband died in 1849 and she married a second time in 1861 the Count Chauveau.
She had a beautiful castle in Keriolet, France. The house in Boulogne-sur-Seine, Paris, was later on sold to the Grand Duke Paul and she lived there with the Countess Hohenffelsen (princesss Paley) until thier return to Russia. The house is now the "College Dupanloup", institution founded by the Pricess Paley after the revolution.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: sari hirvonen-skarbo on April 16, 2004, 02:02:22 PM
Thank you!
I am still curious, where did you got this information about Zenaida Youssoupov? It is from a book? I found this from sites http://asdn.net/moscow/palace_history.shtml and http://www.geocities.com/thedivine_comedy/news/socialites_scientist_late.html  - a quote "By 1815, however, Ivan Arkharov and his wife, Yekaterina Rimskaya-Korsakova — a forebear of the composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov — were dead. Three years later Ivan Naryshkin, a senator, purchased the estate. In Naryshkin's veins ran the bluest of blood: He was a direct descendent of Natalya Naryshkina, the mother of Peter the Great. Social events at Naryshkin's house proved even more splendid than before."
It seems to be wrong that her father could have been Ivan Aleksandrovitch Naryshkin?
Just wondering....!
Sari H-S
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Almedingen on April 16, 2004, 02:49:23 PM
Joanna,

What is Boris going to do with it once he is finished?  Is it going to be open for tours?



Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 18, 2004, 12:51:33 AM
Hi Joanna!
The book is: "Princes Youssoupoff & Comtes Soumarokoff-Elston". Hope you enjoy the book, it´s so beautiful!

Antonio.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Sari on April 20, 2004, 03:36:06 AM
To Antonio,
Thank you for information about Zeneida Youssoupov nee Narishkina! I just study about Keriolet palace and Helsinki "Peace Point" palace.  Both palaces seems to have same style - as "neogothic"- maybe that was the interest of Zeneida, who knows?
I still would like to know, where  you have got information about her father Ivan Dmitrichov Narishkin?
Sari
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 09, 2004, 12:46:27 PM
I´ve just seen your post Sari, so sorry for the delay...
This information came from a book in french on the Yussupov Family. It´s great and full of rare photographs.
The book is: "Princes Youssoupoff & Comtes Soumarokoff-Elston". Edited by Jacques Ferrand. There´s in this forum a link to ask him about his books, i suppose in the book´s thread.
You are so fortunate to live in Helsinky, you can go and put flowers in Anna´s grave...
Hope you find the information useful.
Best wishes,
Antonio.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vera_Narishkin on April 24, 2005, 05:18:45 AM
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The Yusupov dacha was built in 1856 by I. Moniguetti for Princess Zinaida Yusupova( nee Sheremetyeva). The architect was evidently inspired in Rastrelli´s  Hermitage pavillion.  After 1917 it was used as sanatorium and children institution. The man in the photograph beside Felix is Anna Virubova´s brother.

She was not née Sheremetyeva, she was née Narishkina.

:)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vera_Narishkin on April 24, 2005, 10:51:47 AM
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Thank you!
I am still curious, where did you got this information about Zenaida Youssoupov? It is from a book? I found this from sites http://asdn.net/moscow/palace_history.shtml and http://www.geocities.com/thedivine_comedy/news/socialites_scientist_late.html  - a quote "By 1815, however, Ivan Arkharov and his wife, Yekaterina Rimskaya-Korsakova — a forebear of the composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov — were dead. Three years later Ivan Naryshkin, a senator, purchased the estate. In Naryshkin's veins ran the bluest of blood: He was a direct descendent of Natalya Naryshkina, the mother of Peter the Great. Social events at Naryshkin's house proved even more splendid than before."
It seems to be wrong that her father could have been Ivan Aleksandrovitch Naryshkin?
Just wondering....!
Sari H-S


Zinaida Ivanovna Narishkina was the daughter of Ivan Dmitrievitch Narishkin and his wife Varvara Ivanovna née Ladomirsky. Varvara Ivanovna was the illegitimate daughter of Ekaterina Petrovna Stroganova, née Princess Troubetskoya (1744-1815), the estranged wife of the Director of the Academy of Fine Arts in Saint Petersburg, count Alexander Sergueevitch Stroganov. Her father was Ivan Nikolaevitch Rimsky-Korsakov, an erstwhile lover of Catherine the Great. The Empress banished the countess and Rimsky-Korsakov from Court upon discovering their clandestine love affair. From Saint Petersburg, the pair retreated to Moscow where they lived in luxurious exile in the Stroganov Palace and at the countess' estate of Bratzeva.

In 1798, Paul I issued an Ukase granting Varvara Ivanovna and her brothers and sister - Vladimir Ivanovitch, Basil Ivanovitch, and Sophia Ivanovna - the right to bear the name of an extinct noble Polish family, Ladomirsky. Varvara Ivanovna would later marry Ivan Dmitrievitch Narishkin. You can see her portrait on this site (they received the above information from me a few years ago): http://www.batguano.com/catno51.html .

Varvara Ivanovna's husband, Ivan Dmitrievitch Narishkin, also had two illegitimate daughters - Ekaterina Ivanovna Narishkina, who married prince Ivan Alexandrovitch Ouroussov; and Zinaida Ivanovna Narishkina (same name as her half-sister, the "legitimate" Zinaida Ivanovna Narishkina who became the wife of prince Boris Nikolaevitch Yussupov and was Felix's great-grandmother),  who married Peter Ivanovitch Krukov.

I hope this makes things clearer.

:)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 02, 2006, 03:49:38 AM
Jda said:The restoration of the Yussupov dacha began in the summer of 2003.  As of August 2003 the roofing was completed and  internal work was to begin in the autumn.  The work is planned to be finished on May 2005.  This info came from the Tsarskoe Selo newspaper articles for August 8, 2003 and March 4, 2004.

Has it really happened?Is is really now finished?Can you visit it?Hasanyone photos of it?

Thanks a lot,
Vassili
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on May 02, 2006, 01:19:43 PM
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/678/8otdeltnyyparkbuildingnearthed.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on May 02, 2006, 01:28:36 PM
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond : detail

(http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/5254/83otdeltnyyparkbuildingnearthe.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on May 02, 2006, 01:34:28 PM
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond : detail

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/678/8otdeltnyyparkbuildingnearthed.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on May 02, 2006, 01:36:27 PM
Pavlovian highway house [ch8470] 12 (cafe- bar torch) (former house of gardner with princess z.I.Yusupov's dacha)

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2703/sdacha5kg.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Reco on May 02, 2006, 01:38:33 PM
Pavlovian highway house [ch8470] 12 (former teenage club torch) (former house of gardner with princess z.I.Yusupov's dacha)

(http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/8213/sdacha3ps.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 03, 2006, 03:55:12 AM
As far as I can see nothing has been done for the restoration ,how could it be possible?

wHAT IS DOING THE authorities?


Perhaps the others users of the website would be shocked nonetheless ,in my view these buildings should be give back to olds aristocrats in exchange of the promise to restore it.It is a crime to do nothing.By attracting old aristocrats they could develop tourism...

Vassili
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 17, 2006, 11:58:06 AM
RUSSIA
Perspectives on privatisation Icomos2005 O-Z.XP 22.03.2005 11:51 Uhr Seite 204
Oligarchs line up to buy listed buildings…The governor of St Petersburg has proposed legislation that will allow the sale of palaces for half their estimated value – but to be restored The St Petersburg city government has announced plans to privatise
more than 2,000 listed buildings over the next few years,including several dozen important Czarist-era palaces. Several of
Russia’s oil barons have already expressed strong interest in acquiring grand historic residences in the city.
While the city currently rents [out], but does not sell, listed buildings to private companies, St Petersburg governor, Valentina
Matvienko, said last month that privatisation is the only way to save the city’s dilapidated historical centre from total ruin
because the government does not have the funds to maintain these buildings properly.
“Businessmen say that if they owned the palaces they rent, they wouldn’t be afraid to invest in renovation,” said Ms Matvienko.
“We need to be careful that the city’s architectural style isn’t altered but, at the same time, we can’t allow our architectural heritage
to crumble.” It is not yet known whether the proposed new law would allow foreigners to purchase property in St Petersburg, a subject on which Ms Matvienko will not be drawn. Such a liberalisation would certainly provoke a strong response from Russian
nationalists. Ms Matvienko said that a list of the first group of buildings to be sold is still being compiled, but local media have reported that these include the suburban Znamenka Palace near Peterhof, the Kochubei Palace in Pushkin, and the Sheremetev Palace in the city centre, part of which houses a branch of the State Museum of Theatre and Music.
Ms Matvienko, who is close to President Putin, has asked city legislators to prepare a law allowing for the privatisation of listed
buildings. It is expected to be ready later this year. he has also said that she will ask the State Duma, which is
currently controlled by the pro-Putin political party, United Russia,to amend a 2001 federal law forbidding the privatisation of
federally protected sites.

According to preliminary plans, the city plans to sell listed uildings for half their market value, but the new owners must
agree to undertake full renovation in consultation with specialists from St Petersburg’s Landmarks Preservation Committee
(KGIOP). The new owners of the listed buildings must also provide public access several times a year.
“This will be ownership with serious obligations and under strict State control,” said Vera Dementieva, head of the KGIOP:
“Owners will be required to repair listed buildings, or they will forfeit ownership”.
Privatisation may have already begun. Last month the local media revealed that Russia’s second richest man, oil magnate
Roman Abramovich, who currently resides in England, is spending $5 to $10 million on renovations to the Tenishev Palace on the
English Embankment, next to the State Historic Archives, which President Putin has taken over for his own administration.
A few hundred metres down the embankment, Russia’s largest oil company, Lukoil, is preparing to purchase the Baron Stieglitz
Palace, on which it currently has a 49-year lease. The company said it will spend $30 million on renovating its palace and gardens
over the next two years.
John Varoli
The Art Newspaper © 2002
9 June 2004
Heritage at Risk 2004/2005 Russia 205
Icomos2005 O-Z.XP 22.03.2005 11:51 Uhr Seite 205

An article about privatisation ,personaly I prefer a restored Youssoupov palace in the hands of privat persons and it will be (I n my view better if it would be better in Youssoupov's family hands
Vassili
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Tania+ on May 17, 2006, 12:13:39 PM
[size=10]Dear Vassili,

I am sitting here in utter shock ! I agree with you, these beautiful properties should be given back to the families for complete restoration. How sad first that the government, claims it has no monies to restore, and secondly to bar the [reallll] owners access, if not award them back their properties to restore. Offering this to the families would indeed create a more positive supportive interface not just on this level, but many other levels. It would also surely increase more people to come and visit as tourists, more than they are at present. I understand tourism has dropped off dramatically in Russia.

I think those in power on this issue should be re-thinking all of this once more.
Thank you Vassili for sharing with us this latest update.

Tatiana+[/size]
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 01, 2006, 03:38:33 PM
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An article about privatisation ,personaly I prefer a restored Youssoupov palace in the hands of privat persons and it will be (I n my view better if it would be better in Youssoupov's family hands
Vassili



in an ideal world that would be wonderful --- but in a realistic sense, many (if not most) of the remaining "heirs" don't have the money to restore much of anything.   i doubt if  mrs. Sfiris (i hoped i spelled her name correctly), the "heir" of the Yusupov family could afford to restore the pavillion.   

i wish she could.   but, i believe she's made peace with the fact that people can't really miss what they've never really had, y'know?     she's visited the family's palace on the Moïka (and even donated a painting of herself to the museum, which hangs (i think) in feliks senior's former bedroom.)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on August 03, 2006, 07:35:07 PM
LIlijones,

Perhaps am i too idealistic (probably,am I dreaming of a democratic,cultural strong and tender Russia where right woud be the law...)

You could not denied the fact that  reconnizing some right to heirs would paved the way to democracy in Russia...if only they realize of severals advanges,benefits....
Mrs Sfiris has asked for the reurn of some "family properties",Vera Obolensky said in her case that only an appartement would be great...I can't understand in:"In the kingdom of blindness ,the one eye man is the king"....no possibility to him who don't wan't to give the mean...

In Poland and all the ex sovietic countries entered in the Eropean Union the return of proerties takes problem but could be resolved...in view of Matvienko's list it is not as idealistic as it coud seem,all won't be upside down (in Poland they give also some earths,with some forest exiled aristocrats may restore their palace...there is always a way when there is a will...given the fact this buildings needs of real invest Russian governement should act,proving in this way that he could attract private strangers funds and population...

In the hope that Russia will change,Vassili
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on April 22, 2007, 12:45:44 PM
For sure,marvellous pictures but does some know how is the state of the interiors?

The pavilion is great,it is fabulous to see it in this shape.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 07, 2007, 04:45:42 AM
The nostalgic glass had posted those shots of the palaces before restoration...funny changes!

http://nostalgicglass.org/display.php?pn=12#
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i13.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/i14.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto1.jpg)


Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 07, 2007, 02:17:25 PM

here's the link to the article the fotos came from:

http://aprioru.narod.ru/photograf/pushkin/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto.html


i had sent the text through a translator but was still only able to understand a small part of what it said.
maybe someone who reads russian could provide a synopsis of what it says? 

Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on May 08, 2007, 08:31:53 AM
Thanks Lilijones for the link,

I tried to understand the text despite my russian lessons, it is still too hard to understand for me..sorry!

I did not think the park was so huge...could someone tell me what are those buildings and what was their aims?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto10.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto9.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto12.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto13.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto14.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto15.jpg)

Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 25, 2007, 02:10:56 PM
Great photos as usual brnbg aka: liljones1968 and Vassili_Vorontsoff!

The Pavilion looks really great, they are doing great work.

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on June 25, 2007, 02:37:07 PM
Thanks Lilijones for the link,

I tried to understand the text despite my russian lessons, it is still too hard to understand for me..sorry!

I did not think the park was so huge...could someone tell me what are those buildings and what was their aims?
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto10.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto9.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto12.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto13.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto14.jpg)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/vassiliv/tsarskoye%20selo/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto15.jpg)


--the top one is the pond/lake on the property;

--the 2nd from the top is the gardener's cottage;

--the third from the top could be the stable / garage building, but the doorway doesn't look quite big enough.  or it could be a service building, such as a laundry, or something like that....but that's just a guess;

-- the bottom 3 are of the (ruined) conservatory / tea house.    i don't think the new owners intend to restore it.   from what little i can remember of what little i could understand in the article, that's the impression i got.

Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Galitzine on July 01, 2007, 12:59:58 PM

Thank you Liljones for these pictures of the Yusupov Palace in Tsarskoe Selo.
I'm so glad to see that this beautiful building has been restored. It doesn't matter by whom as ownership of such a gem is always temporary......It was in a terrible state when I did this painting of it in 2001. Thank goodness it has been saved from destruction.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t62/galitzine/Romanov/P.jpg)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 02, 2007, 04:22:53 PM
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*** my sincerest apologies re: the small size, but i've been unable to find any larger versions.


elevation
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/2.jpg)

abstract elevation
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/3.jpg)

cross-section
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/5.jpg)

1865 ground plan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/6.jpg)


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Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on August 03, 2007, 05:26:51 AM
Many thanks!

V.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 07, 2007, 05:41:03 AM

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i tried enlarging them and these are the ones that turned out the best.  they're still not the greatest, but at least they are a litlle bigger...

click on the image for (slightly) larger version

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture2-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture2-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture4.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture5.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/CMCapture5.jpg)


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Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on December 29, 2008, 09:27:28 AM
The restoration of the Youssoupov's pavillion in Tsarskoye Selo is part of the program of the restoration of the town for its 300 birthday.

Restoration of interiors and the park has begun:

http://www.fund300.spb.ru/activities/yusupov-summer-residence/index.php
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 08, 2009, 04:58:29 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-g/YUS-farmbuildingsintheestateoftheYu.jpg)

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these were built by the architect, A.P. Vaitens, for the princess Yusupov as part of the farm complex of the Yusupov villa at Tsarskoïe-Selo.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on January 08, 2009, 05:41:50 AM
Amazing to see that the princess was interested in ancient russian style of architecture!

I assume that these Russian pavillions are now destroyed, I did not read about it on any site...sad.

Thanks a lot for sharing!
Vassia
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 08, 2009, 09:39:42 AM
Amazing to see that the princess was interested in ancient russian style of architecture!

I assume that these Russian pavillions are now destroyed, I did not read about it on any site...sad.

Thanks a lot for sharing!
Vassia


as far as i know, they are looong gone...   i didn't even know they had ever existed, until the other day.


Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on January 18, 2009, 06:05:59 PM
Fantastic find Brian!

It is of the henhouse. In 1909-1911, architect A. Vaitens reconstructed the Yusupov pavilion. It was modernized, electricity was installed, some new interiors decorated and a henhouse was built. I doubt if there is any trace left of the ground area similar to GD Boris' tea house that was destroyed during the war. I am curious of the location of the henhouse as I would have thought it was placed nearer to the Kolonistsky Pond. The two or three storey stone building that is shown in your photo very close to the henhouse would have been located closer to Pavlovskoe Shosse. Is it possibly Danini's Maternity Hospital and therefore the henhouse was on the farther side of the gardener's cottage?

Joanna
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 18, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
Fantastic find Brian!

It is of the henhouse. In 1909-1911, architect A. Vaitens reconstructed the Yusupov pavilion. It was modernized, electricity was installed, some new interiors decorated and a henhouse was built. I doubt if there is any trace left of the ground area similar to GD Boris' tea house that was destroyed during the war. I am curious of the location of the henhouse as I would have thought it was placed nearer to the Kolonistsky Pond. The two or three storey stone building that is shown in your photo very close to the henhouse would have been located closer to Pavlovskoe Shosse. Is it possibly Danini's Maternity Hospital and therefore the henhouse was on the farther side of the gardener's cottage?

Joanna

did you see what i posted over in the "private apartments" thread?
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9259.0
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Joanna on January 19, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
I did! I always check your posts!

I have numerous books on the Yussupov palaces, villas, etc. and one has the notation of the henhouse but I had never seen a photo of it. It was thrilling to see your two views. There is a fence that divides the properties today but whether it was the same position c1910, I do not know and the ground area had been reclaimed.

Of the private apartments of Felix and Irina, I have the book on the history with photos/plans/etc. but have not as yet translated. I will attempt soon but am working on research at the moment.

Joanna
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 10, 2009, 03:38:05 PM

Of the private apartments of Felix and Irina, I have the book on the history with photos/plans/etc. but have not as yet translated. I will attempt soon but am working on research at the moment.



does anyone know what book that might be?

does anyone else have that book?   
and if so, would you be willing to scan the plans
& send them to me privately or post them here?
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the only plan i have, is the same one that virtually everyone else has -- that of the main floor w/ the ballroom & galleries, zenaida & feliks Sr. rooms etc.   you have absolutely no idea how long i've been looking for a plan (any plan) of the ground floor, especially of feliks Jr. & irina's rooms.  and i can't even begin to describe how much...               


...oh, never mind.


be well, y'all.

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Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: Svetabel on July 09, 2009, 01:37:10 AM
The restoration of the Dacha is still going on. Though I'd say it has stopped at some moment and that's all.
 I am a frequent visitor to Tsarskoye Selo and always hope to see something new with the Dacha - but always  the same: bright pink colour of the mansion seen from the road, high steel wall around the building area, large screen above the wall with description "Restoration of the Dacha of Princess Z.I.Yusupova" and nothing new.
The investors had wanted to open a hotel in the newly-restored Dacha...will see.
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: ashanti01 on October 26, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0031-1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0032-1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0032-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: ashanti01 on October 26, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0032-3.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0033-1.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0033-2.jpg)

I will try to rescan the last images, don't know why i got that white spot. The last two are images from Zenaida's rooms.

Title: Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
Post by: ashanti01 on October 26, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/youssoupov/hpqscan0034-1-1.jpg)