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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Royal Bulgaria on February 24, 2009, 02:01:39 PM

Title: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 24, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
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Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 25, 2009, 02:28:16 PM
this is from her wedding dress
Here a peace of her tail
(http://www.vienna.info/images/schleppe-sisi.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r202/stabroeka12/Scan10052_edited.jpg)

Vesper mantle
(http://www.hofburg-wien.at/typo3temp/pics/Vespermantel_im_Sisi_Museum_f38826fb6a.jpg)


Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 25, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
How magnificent! thanks for sharing, Madame Sisi!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 25, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
OK girls. Let´s be honest and admit we would all just die to wear that dress :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 25, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
yeah..and have that groom (sighs)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 25, 2009, 02:57:04 PM
Well.... I could do without him :) I would wait few more years for Nicky!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on February 25, 2009, 11:18:18 PM
OK girls. Let´s be honest and admit we would all just die to wear that dress :)

royally beautiful though it looks very heavy. Could be exhausting to wear it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on February 25, 2009, 11:32:19 PM
Almost all dresses on their time were really heavy...
I think it'll be suitable for all of you (I don't need to gain weight, I'm already heavy) to gain some weight before trying one.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 26, 2009, 02:18:32 AM
Well in 18 and 19 Century they wore pretty heavy dresses...But to me they looked so beautiful and i love the heats which they wore...I wish i could return in that time..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on February 26, 2009, 05:38:41 PM
I would also like to wear those dresses..or the hats..
but i think it would be heavy for me..i dont way much my weight is always around 50/53...but i would love it..

Im gonna make a dress but it wont be like those heavy dresses it will be like something you see on the paintings of Elisabeth around 1890 the black dresses..i like those to
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on February 26, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
They wore it too tightly to emphasize their shape, whether fat or not.
I love those dresses though second to what OTMA wore. I also love those from the Pride And Prejudice novel era.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 27, 2009, 02:32:26 AM
Yes from P&P the dresses are indeed lovely.....Just like on "Becoming Jane Austen"
Sisi got good taste for dresses....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on February 28, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3653/sisi20familie.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on February 28, 2009, 02:13:07 PM
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3954/museum20420medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 28, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
Me joining here too.

Look foreward to see all the pics turning up here :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 01, 2009, 09:30:11 AM
I got a postcard of that great gathering. Sisi was actually smiling there.

Yup and she looks so charming!!

Close up

(http://i43.tinypic.com/68hf28.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Aliss_Kande on March 01, 2009, 01:30:54 PM
I got a postcard of that great gathering. Sisi was actually smiling there.

Yup and she looks so charming!!

Close up

(http://i43.tinypic.com/68hf28.jpg)



I believe this is the only photo of Sisi with her children.  I remember reading in a biography of her that she refused to have photographs with her children.  She was mostly photographed with her siblings or her dogs.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 01, 2009, 02:58:50 PM


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/1880.jpg)

Imperial Family around 1880 during Christmas.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on March 02, 2009, 02:55:28 AM

(http://i43.tinypic.com/68hf28.jpg)


I believe this is the only photo of Sisi with her children.  I remember reading in a biography of her that she refused to have photographs with her children.  She was mostly photographed with her siblings or her dogs.

Oh why is that so? Ah i think it's because of her mother-in-law. Franz's mother referred to her as a silly young mother.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 02, 2009, 03:02:27 AM
Maybe from the same reason she never was photographed with her grand-children... Perhaps she thought she would look old??? Just guessing....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on March 02, 2009, 03:11:17 AM
She doesn't want to look old.
On her later years (maybe when she was 40-above),few photos were taken of her.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 06, 2009, 01:05:39 PM


(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8058/52220.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 06, 2009, 01:19:26 PM

The last one i rare to me... i have seen it so small...Thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
It was another composite portrait using photo to make up a portrait. There is a book I bought in Vienna that tells  how that is done...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on March 07, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Statue of Elisabeth
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_StatueofElisabeth.jpg) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/StatueofElisabeth.jpg)

Sisi's coat of Arms
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_Wappen_Kaiserin_Elisabeth.png) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/Wappen_Kaiserin_Elisabeth.png)

Franz Josef's coat of Arms
(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_Wappen_Kaiser_Franz_Joseph_I.png) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/Wappen_Kaiser_Franz_Joseph_I.png)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 07, 2009, 05:22:59 PM
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8578/889555.jpg)

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/811/1900j.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 08, 2009, 07:13:35 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ebust.jpg)


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/20081115.jpg)


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/h880-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 08, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
Karl Joseph crying over Sissi`s Casket

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/538/261659.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=261659.jpg)

Another Alegory

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6838/197040b.jpg) (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=197040b.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: alixaannencova on March 08, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
What a chaming thread we have here! Sissi was so stunningly beautiful and such a fascinating creature! I would have hated to have been her hair dresser though!

Anyway I am still rather confused about Sissi's predecessor but one, and whether she was know as Caroline Auguste/a or not? I always assumed when I have read about Empress Caroline Augusta/e this was she, and she is known and written about as Empress Caroline Augusta/e but now I am unsure because someone mentioned an Empress Augusta...goodness me....who is who?...and now I am really confused as I do not quite know what this all has to do with Empress Augusta of Germany....?!?!

Would someone please explain to us who may be a little confused by this issue, who is Augusta and who is Caroline Auguste/a.....please!! and also who is Empress Augusta of Austria? Maybe I have it all mixed up or someone has written a name incorrectly but I do not think I have ever heard of and Empress Augusta of Austria? Maybe I am not reading all the posts properly but I am confused!!! Help!!!!!










Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Marc on March 09, 2009, 07:33:31 AM
Empress Caroline Augusta and Charlotte Augusta is the same person,born Princess of Bavaria and 4th wife of Emperor Franz II...She was firstly married to Crown Prince of Wuerttemberg,but as far as I know when she married Franz she changed her name from Caroline Augusta to Charlotte Augusta or something like that and was often known as Empress Augusta...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2009, 12:31:35 PM
yes, Caroline Augusta (or Auguste) was the half-sister of Archduchess Sophie. After the assension of Franz Josef, the Dowager Empress was "exiled" to Salzburg. She made a few pleas to come back to Vienna to see her stepchildren, but Sophie made sure she only visited the captial rarely. It was a mean gesture to a sister. As a result, Caroline Augusta became friends with Sisi and became her champion whenever she could help the young empress.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 09, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
Dear, I like Sophie even less now....

Not that I had such a high esteem of her before,
of course all she did was for the Empire,
but she went too far in my opinion....

Now, not liking Sisi is one thing,
to deny her sister to visit the capitol, or to see her stepchildren, is terrible.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 09, 2009, 04:02:19 PM
Well...It is complicated. Empress Caroline Augusta arranged the marriage of her half-sister to the second son of Emperor Franz. Sophie did not want to marry him but forced by her mother to do so. Perhaps Sophie kept a grudge against her half-sister for that. However once there, Caroline Augusta guided her half-sister through the pitfalls of living in the Hapsburg Family. The two sisters could be seen painting togather and plan for excusions in the countryside. However once her son became emperor, she found out that she wished to be no.1 and having a half-sister that out ranked her is no fun. She exiled her with her brother-in-law (the abdicated Emperor Ferdinand and his Empress) to Salzburg. Dowager Empress Caroline Augusta made the best of the situation and created many charitable organisation in Salzburg. However she did miss her stepchildren (some of them were long term invilades) and hoped to visit them often. She wrote to the Emperor for permission to come to Vienna for visits, Archduchess Sophie however rarely allow her that opportunity. In one book about Franz Josef, a letter of reply to the elderly Empress was changed from mild regret (The Emperor was fond of his step grandmother) to a hard refusal (changed by Archduchess Sophie). The marriage of Sisi to Franz Josef was one of the few times Caroline Augusta was allowed to visit Vienna. The story was she was looking at the wedding gifts when her lace mantilla cought the bejewelled crown of Sisi and sent it crashing to the ground. The elderly empress at once crossed herself, but it became a badomen for the marriage.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 09, 2009, 06:12:55 PM
Empress Caroline Augusta and Charlotte Augusta is the same person,born Princess of Bavaria and 4th wife of Emperor Franz II...She was firstly married to Crown Prince of Wuerttemberg,but as far as I know when she married Franz she changed her name from Caroline Augusta to Charlotte Augusta or something like that and was often known as Empress Augusta...

It was just the other way round: Her name was Charlotte Auguste and when she married Franz her official name became Caroline Auguste - Caroline in honour of her beloved step-mother Caroline von Baden. Her sisters however still called her "Charlotte" as you can see in some letters.

As far as I know no one ever called her "Auguste/a". That was just her second name.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: alixaannencova on March 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM
Thank you very much MarieCharlotte for clarifying this rather confusing issue. I hope people will be a little more careful and accurate in their posts, as it can lead to just this type of issue!  Anyway thanks again!

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 14, 2009, 11:43:48 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/25587mc.jpg)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/otoz1z.jpg)

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2rz6rkk.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
More fantasy and propaganda portraits. Vienna did not finch in churning out these images while the Empres went aboard, alone...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 14, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
Empress Elisabeth's statue in Corfu

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/socha.jpg)

Imperial couple on photos by Ludwig Angerer around 1860

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/leaz/photographies-367.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/angerer59.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 14, 2009, 04:02:22 PM
Does anyone has this one without mark?¨This is far one of the prettiest portraits of Sissi i ve ever seen

(http://i39.tinypic.com/xga9e8.jpg)

I love this one!

(http://i44.tinypic.com/15ouz3t.jpg)

Im also looking for this one without mark

(http://i42.tinypic.com/5caxpj.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2009, 04:28:56 PM
There are from the archievs.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 14, 2009, 07:08:52 PM
eh...yeah..i already knew that  ::)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2009, 07:14:37 PM
That is why they have water marks. They are all drawings though...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 14, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Eric...i already knew that .Where do you think i found those pictures?  ::)

I was just asking if there was a version without those marks. Thats all.

Sissi s deathmask

(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9738/b10088422t10088427.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: alixaannencova on March 14, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
The marble/alabaster likeness is ethereal...quite beautiful...I had no idea Sissi had such a pronounced cleft in her chin!!!!  Katenka I am sorry not to be able to help further apropos of some very unhelpful comments made by one amongst us about watermarks etc...but, I shall have a root around and see what I can find for you!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 15, 2009, 06:15:05 AM
I was just asking if there was a version without those marks. Thats all.

Katenka since they have been posted look in the first thread about her...if they are not deleted  ::)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 15, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
To Katenka: It seems to me that you are really interested in pictures of Empress Elisabeth. Have you ever thought of buying a photobook? I recommend Elisabeth. Bilder ihres Lebens. by Johannes Thiele and Elisabeth. Bilder einer Kaiserin. Portraits of an Empress. by Brigitte Hamann.

Here are the pictures you wanted to see without watermark:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/elisabeth08.jpg)

Elisabeth by Franz Schrotzberg in 1862. He also made the very well-known portrait of Archduchess Sophie (1855-1857).

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/elisabeth09.jpg)

Elisabeth says good bye to her beloved Lake Starnberg - a romantic drawing done in later years.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/elisabeth31.jpg)

Elisabeth by Angerer. There are many more photos of this setting around 1865.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 15, 2009, 08:28:08 AM
Some more photos from the 1860s - I don't know if they have been posted before:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/elisabeth28.jpg)



(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/elisabeth30.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 15, 2009, 10:55:10 AM
Thanks for the help  and pictures! i just wanted to see that portrait without the mark and have the picture to maybe colorize it. About the book, i ll look on inet since i have no chance to buy it over here. Thanks for the info , Marie Charlotte!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 15, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
Finally full

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_32801403.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/32801403.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 15, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/sw2q2o.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on March 15, 2009, 04:57:06 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2ibgw2t.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 16, 2009, 02:38:39 AM
That is a strange picture! Since when she was blonde?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 16, 2009, 02:46:50 AM
I suppose the picture is from her early youth, when she was perhaps 16 or 17.


(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/CapMartin95.jpg)

Elisabeth and former Empress of France Eugenie on walk in Cap Martin in 1895.

Could anybody post better and bigger version of this photo?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on March 16, 2009, 09:20:13 AM
That is a strange picture! Since when she was blonde?


She was for a several times blonde, before her hair gets darker. This was around her engagement time.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/wjwi1l.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 16, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
I think it just the awful quality soon as i find the better i will post it  ::)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 17, 2009, 04:03:16 AM
Yes that one synnadene thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 17, 2009, 12:20:40 PM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/ElisPort.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/earlymarr55.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Onhorse.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 19, 2009, 04:57:49 AM
I believe he mourned deeply for his son. Sometimes parents cannot show affection even when they love their children.

Sisi and her family set
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_33097749.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/33097749.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_33151931.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/33151931.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_33151967.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/33151967.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_33152122.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/33152122.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_33152162.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/33152162.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 19, 2009, 11:43:03 AM

Archduchess Sophie Friederike's hair colour was blonde. I have a picture of some strands of her hair which was exhibited in Schloss Unterwittelsbach some years ago.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/sophie1855-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on March 20, 2009, 02:48:02 PM
Sisi

(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_sisi.jpg) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/sisi.jpg)   (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_sissi5.jpg) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/sissi5.jpg)  (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/th_untitled.jpg) (http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv283/MariaNikolaevna/Sissi%20and%20her%20family/untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on March 20, 2009, 07:03:22 PM

Statue of Sisi
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MpbBSHWVtlw/SYILYbJwEMI/AAAAAAAACCY/6fNDJ-lHDuY/s400/29+IMG_8759.JPG)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 21, 2009, 08:54:14 AM


A Angerer Photo Session (sorry some look a bit blurry or stuff because of my scanner):

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5543/naamloos1111.png)new
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1012/naamloosnewn.png)new



Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on March 23, 2009, 02:47:21 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Easter1910.jpg)

The Emperor with his grandchildren on Easter. In the background you can see Marie Valerie with her husband, 1910.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Busts2.jpg)

Busts of Franz and Sisi.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 24, 2009, 10:33:05 AM
a week ago I ordered the book sisis familienalbum of brigitte hamann..today it came in and i saw one picture i have never seen before.. with her ladies in waiting.. i made a copie of it!
( sorry for the poor quality..i hate scanners.. they always make the picture blurry and stuff like that)

(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1138/naamloost.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 24, 2009, 10:51:12 AM
Wish to see it in better quality one day..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on March 24, 2009, 10:53:05 AM
yes me 2..well in the book the quality is good but it is small.. and when i scann it it always comes out so unclear..

so if someone has a better quality of it..i will be so happy :p
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on April 15, 2009, 01:09:07 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/unknown.jpg)

I suppose, that the woman on the picture is Empress Elisabeth, but who is the man by her side?
Could anybody identify him?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 15, 2009, 06:37:29 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/unknown.jpg)

I suppose, that the woman on the picture is Empress Elisabeth, but who is the man by her side?
Could anybody identify him?

It's Franz Joseph himself. The couple is pictured while leaving the the so-called "Badeschloss" in Bad Gastein on 8 July 1886, where they met Wilhelm I. and Otto von Bismarck. Elisabeth looks quite happy in this pic and she doesn't hide her face.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on April 15, 2009, 08:22:17 AM
Is the man really Franz Joseph? Somewhere I have read, that he was tall like Elisabeth or a bit shorter then she. But on the picture he looks quite tall.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 15, 2009, 08:48:39 AM
Is the man really Franz Joseph? Somewhere I have read, that he was tall like Elisabeth or a bit shorter then she. But on the picture he looks quite tall.

Yes, it's really him. Franz Joseph was a little smaller than his wife, but in this pic he is wearing this huge helmet which makes him look taller.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on April 15, 2009, 10:26:16 AM
Is the man really Franz Joseph? Somewhere I have read, that he was tall like Elisabeth or a bit shorter then she. But on the picture he looks quite tall.

thank you for the picture. I thought they were NEVER photographed together.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 15, 2009, 11:34:47 AM
thank you for the picture. I thought they were NEVER photographed together.

Oh, there are some pictures of Elisabeth and Franz Joseph. Are you interested in them?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on April 15, 2009, 01:42:42 PM
Of course MarieCharlotte, if you have some photos with them togather, you can post them. At least we can compare.
But anyway I think, that the helmet does not make impression, that he is taller. When you look at the picture carefully, you can see his shoulder and head is much higher then her. And they stay also on same step.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess of Cupertino on April 15, 2009, 10:28:59 PM
thank you for the picture. I thought they were NEVER photographed together.

Oh, there are some pictures of Elisabeth and Franz Joseph. Are you interested in them?

Absolutely! I've seen another one when they were in their old age (Elisabeth in black with an umbrella).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 16, 2009, 05:51:22 AM
I found six photographs showing Elisabeth and Franz Joseph together. Unfortunately I wasn't able to scan one of them.


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/familiengruppe07.jpg)

The famous family group (Schönbrunn, 1859):
standing: Franz Joseph, Ferdinand Max, Charlotte of Belgium, Ludwig Victor, Carl Ludwig
sitting: Elisabeth with Rudolf and Gisela, Sophie, Franz Carl


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/franzjoseph_gruppe02.jpg)

Elisabeth (left, on horseback) with Franz Joseph (right, on horseback) and Napoléon III. (standing next to Elisabeth's horse) and Eugénie (in the middle, on horseback) - Salzburg, ca. 1867




(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/franzjoseph_elisabeth04.jpg)

In 1888 the statue of Maria Theresia was unveiled in Vienna. Elisabeth and Franz Joseph are in this pic, too. The author Gabriele Praschl-Bichler thinks that Elisabeth is the woman in the middle of the picture who has a black fan in her hand. I don't think so, because this woman is wearing a white dress - and as you know, Elisabeth has only worn black since her son Rudolf commited suicide.


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/franzjoseph_elisabeth05.jpg)

Elisabeth and Franz Joseph somewhere in Hungary, 1896


Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
But those are all re-posted in ALL threads
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 16, 2009, 07:02:42 AM
But anyway I think, that the helmet does not make impression, that he is taller. When you look at the picture carefully, you can see his shoulder and head is much higher then her. And they stay also on same step.

I found this picture in one of my other books, too, and there it is said that the gentleman is Wilhelm I. Does anybody know how tall he was? Elisabeth was 1,72 m.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 16, 2009, 07:06:50 AM
But those are all re-posted in ALL threads

I was aked to share my pics of Franz Joseph and Elisabeth with you. That's what I did. I had to search for them in my books and I had to scan them. What about "thanks Marie" instead of such a rude comment like "But those are all re-posted in ALL (??) threads" (what I don't believe by the way)??
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: synnadene on April 16, 2009, 07:19:42 AM


Irina, NOBODY can send you a single picture about Elisabeth, which isn't reposted 100times. I see everyday 4-5 pics about her in this topic, completely wellknown ones.

Marie made a nice summary in theme "Elisabeth and FJ together" as you requested. It is much more useful than sy posts again and again a picture and supposes to see Elisabeth on it because than it seems to be a new one... :-(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 07:48:05 AM
Wait wait wait...This wasn't rude?It's re posting but nothing if you all want to share old photos again and again there isn't problem i won't comment it again .... Well ok Marie if you want "Thank you Marie for the re posting the photo  :) " I'm not against you since you had shared new photos to me before.... What i meant wasn't to stop posting and that i know it's hard to see new photo of Elisabeth....But many people here are posting portraits and cards....which are well known....

P:S Sorry not ALL threads i meant but Old my mistake :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 16, 2009, 08:16:06 AM
Wait wait wait...This wasn't rude?It's re posting but nothing if you all want to share old photos again and again there isn't problem i won't comment it again .... Well ok Marie if you want "Thank you Marie for the re posting the photo  :) " I'm not against you since you had shared new photos to me before.... What i meant wasn't to stop posting and that i know it's hard to see new photo of Elisabeth....But many people here are posting portraits and cards....which are well known....

P:S Sorry not ALL threads i meant but Old my mistake :)

I see the point and I understand what you mean. Nevertheless it made me angry to read such a comment after I've spent over an hour to search for the photos and to scan them.
There are three picture threads about Elisabeth only in this forum, not to forget all those threads about her children and siblings. It's not possible to have a look at all these threads before posting a picture. That's why you can't avoid repostings anyway. Two members of this forum wanted to see pics of Elisabeth and Franz Joseph together. I wanted to help and that was the only reason for my post. Of course I knew that for example the family group had been posted before, but I wanted to show you all photos of the couple I have.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 08:26:41 AM
I see now don't worry i understand perfectly
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on April 16, 2009, 08:31:03 AM
MarieCharlotte, I very much appreciate your sharing of photographs. One only has to ask and you will oblige and I thank you for that. It's refreshing to have someone like you here that is not all talk! You always share your knowledge and not in 'one-liners' like some. I am here to learn and your wealth of knowledge and your never ending file of photo's is amazing. Please don't stop sharing because of some that have so much to learn themselves, especially good grace.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 16, 2009, 08:50:33 AM
Quote
Please don't stop sharing because of some that have so much to learn themselves,

I guess this was for me thanks for your "kindness" :) Keep it up

I'm for this to share photos i don't mind :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 16, 2009, 10:46:49 AM
MarieCharlotte, I very much appreciate your sharing of photographs. One only has to ask and you will oblige and I thank you for that. It's refreshing to have someone like you here that is not all talk! You always share your knowledge and not in 'one-liners' like some. I am here to learn and your wealth of knowledge and your never ending file of photo's is amazing. Please don't stop sharing because of some that have so much to learn themselves, especially good grace.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on April 16, 2009, 11:29:16 AM
Thank you MarieCharlotte for all the photos. Two of them are completely new for me. I know very well, that posting of pics often takes plenty of time.

I am still confused by the photo, which I posted. Is it Wilhelm I., Franz Joseph or who...? Unfortunately I don't know, how tall was Wilhelm I. But Wilhelm was 89 years old in 1886, and the man on picture
looks much younger-not like somebody who reach nearly 90-s. :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on April 16, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
Thank you MarieCharlotte for all the photos. Two of them are completely new for me. I know very well, that posting of pics often takes plenty of time.

I am still confused by the photo, which I posted. Is it Wilhelm I., Franz Joseph or who...? Unfortunately I don't know, how tall was Wilhelm I. But Wilhelm was 89 years old in 1886, and the man on picture
looks much younger-not like somebody who reach nearly 90-s. :-\


Could it be the German Emperor Frederick III, Crownprince at that time??
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: DonaAntonia on April 19, 2009, 07:00:10 PM

Statue of Sisi
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MpbBSHWVtlw/SYILYbJwEMI/AAAAAAAACCY/6fNDJ-lHDuY/s400/29+IMG_8759.JPG)

This is in Madeira Island's capital, Funchal.
It is placed near the Pestana Hotel where once stood the old Quinta da Vigia. Sisi lived there while she was on the island.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 20, 2009, 05:58:04 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/th_d7030a868ee4c0563225178b414e7ead.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Family%20life/d7030a868ee4c0563225178b414e7ead.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 21, 2009, 01:58:56 PM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_43749732.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/43749732.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 21, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
No I want to share with you another pic of the beautiful empress.

(http://mek.niif.hu/01900/01905/html/cd8/kepek/tortenelem/to326pe94286.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 22, 2009, 04:18:22 AM
New to me thanks
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 22, 2009, 07:59:12 AM
I'm not sure whether those have been posted yet but I thought I'd share:


(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/3380784026_6193a577eb_b-1-1.jpg)



(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/eee.jpg)



(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/richter_empress_elizabeth.jpg)



(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/emprel.jpg)



(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/86397295255896825ddb60c7a003.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 22, 2009, 10:35:59 AM
WOW the last one wasn't...Is this really Sisi?If it is it's my fav portrait of her
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yseult on April 22, 2009, 10:44:28 AM
WOW the last one wasn't...Is this really Sisi?If it is it's my fav portrait of her

Yes, it is Sissi. The portrait was signed by Ottilie Strecker circa 1872.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yseult on April 22, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
Don´t know if this has been posted...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/Elisabeth-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 23, 2009, 05:52:22 PM
Sissi & Lucheni
(http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00003/00037/05.jpg)
 
Sissi and Franz Joseph at the time of their engagement, they were in Bad Ischl (1853)
(http://www.fotobank.ru/img/BR00-6224.jpg?size=l)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 24, 2009, 04:05:34 AM
Thankies new new. ::)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 27, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
Hi, There are thousands of pics about Sissi, here are  more...

Sissi's last day
(http://hellas.teipir.gr/Thesis/Axilleion/images/eik22.JPG)

Sissi and her cousin, the king Ludwig
(http://xn--fnf-seen-land-wob.info/personen/sisi/pics_sisi/b_rosen_2.png)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 27, 2009, 05:16:35 PM
Alzbeta

(http://ebay.billerantik.de/ebay/bildertaich/1817_Sissi_Elzbeta.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 28, 2009, 01:45:34 AM
Fascinating!!!
The last two (:
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 28, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
Sissi, Franz, Gisela, Rudi and little Marie Valerie

(http://www.inserate.at/images/16028_2009030858.jpg)

Sissi
(http://www.altertuemliches.at/kunst-antiquitaeten/images/events/portrait_kaiserin_elisabeth_von_richard_bitterlich.gif)

Sissi and Franz at Bad Ischl
(http://www.badischl.com/sixcms/media.php/2067/habsburger.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: synnadene on April 29, 2009, 04:51:06 AM

Sissi and her cousin, the king Ludwig
(http://xn--fnf-seen-land-wob.info/personen/sisi/pics_sisi/b_rosen_2.png)


A little but unique picture about Elisabeth, I like it, thanks!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on April 29, 2009, 03:35:53 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/image01047.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 30, 2009, 03:01:52 AM
Thanks Rani and Happy Birthday :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on April 30, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
Thanks Rani and Happy Birthday :)

Thanks:)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 30, 2009, 06:36:22 PM
Excuse me

(http://www.concierge.com/images/ideas/psycho_hotels/ideas_psychohotels_007.jpg)

(http://www.planet-vienna.com/habsburger/bios/sissi/sissi_mord_.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on May 01, 2009, 09:04:59 AM
More Coins

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/01665q00.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/image00924.jpg)

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/image00925.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 02, 2009, 09:26:12 AM
They're interesting and beautiful... new for me! Thanks Rani! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on May 03, 2009, 09:45:14 PM
I hope this wasn't posted before:

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/96/sisi0355.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on May 04, 2009, 05:45:34 AM
New one Victoria
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 04, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
Wonderful pic Veronica, I like it very much!!! Thanks for posting it :-)

I want to add:

Sissi in Vienna
(http://www.wien-vienna.at/images3/sisi2-14.jpg)

Young Sissi (I hope they haven't been post before)

(http://hellas.teipir.gr/Thesis/Axilleion/images/eik42.JPG)

Liszt playing piano for Sissi and Franz
(http://www.boesendorfer.com/boesendorfer_en/uploads/web/BSD_liszt_and_emperor_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 04, 2009, 07:24:46 PM
Two more

(http://royalromania.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sissi.jpg)
(http://image50.webshots.com/550/9/70/0/2400970000061759156GvOOSS_ph.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 06, 2009, 04:39:20 AM

(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/96/sisi0355.jpg)
[/quote]

Hello Veronica !
Nice picture ! Where did you find it ? Is it out of a book ?

Greetings Alice
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on May 06, 2009, 03:35:36 PM
Hi Alice!
I found it doing a google search, in an hungarian forum. I don't know the original source...

Greetings
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 07, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
One more

(http://www.famoushotels.org/images/archives/683/elisabeth_at_reids_famoushotels.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 14, 2009, 06:34:48 PM
Elisabeth

(http://austrian-mint.at/images/user/743.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on May 24, 2009, 04:39:45 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Fjwithmin48-1.jpg))

Franz Joseph sortly after his succession on the throne with his ministers. (1848)

If somebody has larger and clearer version, I would love to see it!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 25, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
I don't remember if someone's posted it

http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3239766.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d%3D9724400E855F9263020AD1FAF628A31CA55A1E4F32AD3138&imgrefurl=http://www.jamd.com/image/g/3239766&usg=__U1CTNZRGhFP8j4voC9z4d4i5M-M=&h=594&w=388&sz=44&hl=es&start=260&tbnid=-j8TWHtaSLPbnM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempress%2Belisabeth%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D252 (http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/3239766.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DViewImages%26k%3D2%26d%3D9724400E855F9263020AD1FAF628A31CA55A1E4F32AD3138&imgrefurl=http://www.jamd.com/image/g/3239766&usg=__U1CTNZRGhFP8j4voC9z4d4i5M-M=&h=594&w=388&sz=44&hl=es&start=260&tbnid=-j8TWHtaSLPbnM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempress%2Belisabeth%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D252)

(http://antiquesandthearts.com/webEventItems/Html/AAW-2008-10-24/Pc1140300_200x240.jpg)
Excuse me for the quality of this

(http://www.wilnitsky.at/pictures/thumbs/breitwieser9991a.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: gogm on May 26, 2009, 02:33:14 PM
Then try:  http://picasaweb.google.com/sanfran680/Postings#5340211243166380162  or:

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2009856750094285158ZhTMbf .

I figure if its bad news, you'll advise...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on May 28, 2009, 10:37:57 AM
Here some pictures of members of Elisabeths family:

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7679/sisisapen.png)
These Are Monkeys and parrots of Elisabeth..in the background is Count Hohenstein who traveled with Sisi.

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4205/4141c.jpg)
Little Rudolf and Gisela

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6026/familiezusse.png)
Sisis brothers and sisters and her mother

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/948/zusmarieschoonzus.png)
Sisi's Sister Marie With Her Sister-in-laws Annunziata(also Sisi's sister-in-law) and Immaculata

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8920/tantesophietantekarolin.png)
Sisi's Aunts Archduchess Sophie(mother-in-law) and Empress Karoline Augusta

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5338/tantekaiserinkarolineau.png)
Empress Karoline Augusta  Sisis aunt

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7622/sophietante.png)
Sisis Aunt and mother in law archduchess Sophie

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8169/sophiemaxemanuel.png)
Sisis youngest brother and sister Sophie and Max Emanuel

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4035/habsburgfranzkarlsophie.jpg)
archduke Franz Karl and archduchess Sophie.. Franz Josephs Parents

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2223/efamsoph4.jpg)
Sisis little sister Sophie

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/425/kleinesophie.png)
Again sisis little sister Sophie

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9351/efamludo10.jpg)
Sisis mother Ludovika with her dog

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5591/ludovika2.png)
sisis mother Ludovika again

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5580/l64ce3d527edf4f3fadb787.jpg)
Sisis Sister Marie

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9762/l6416042cbde64fb486cc84.jpg)
Sisis Sister Mathilde

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3643/l953035beafc74b698504b4.jpg)
Sisis Sister Mathilde Again

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4421/friedrichdrckhenriettem.jpg)
Sisis Sister In Law Henriette Mendel
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on May 28, 2009, 12:14:12 PM
Thanks for great photos! Some of them are completely new for me. The first one with parrots is perfect! :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 28, 2009, 12:57:36 PM
Thanks so much for the pictures! Mostly of them are complety new for me !
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 30, 2009, 07:49:34 AM
Sisi's Sister Marie With Her Sister-in-laws Annunziata(also Sisi's sister-in-law) and Immaculata

Sisi's Aunts Archduchess Sophie(mother-in-law) and Empress Karoline Augusta

1. Maria Annunziata wasn't Elisabeth's sister-in-law, but Franz Joseph's sister-in-law as she was married to Archduke Carl Ludwig, Franz Joseph's brother.

2. The picture shows Archduchess Sophie and her twin-sister Marie Queen of Saxony, not their half-sister Caroline Auguste.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Zukunftsseele on May 30, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
The picture is taken from "Sisis Familienalbum" by Werner Bokelberg / B. Hamann. Some descriptions to the pictures shown in the book are wrong, starting with the pic on the cover that is supposed to show Elisabeth but it is showing her sister Marie. Well, and the one showing Sophie and Marie that was mentioned. It can be quite confusing at times. It is a nice book, though.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 30, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
Amazing & interesting photos, Thanks to post them!! :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 30, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
Sissi, as the Hungarian Queen

(http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00003/00037/04.jpg)
(http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00003/00037/10.jpg)
(http://epa.oszk.hu/00000/00003/00037/09.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 30, 2009, 06:59:12 PM
I know that someone posted this image before, but I found a colored
version of it that I want to share.

(http://files.blogter.hu/user_files/46106/Kozter/skar.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on June 01, 2009, 05:01:46 AM
Sisi's Sister Marie With Her Sister-in-laws Annunziata(also Sisi's sister-in-law) and Immaculata

Sisi's Aunts Archduchess Sophie(mother-in-law) and Empress Karoline Augusta

1. Maria Annunziata wasn't Elisabeth's sister-in-law, but Franz Joseph's sister-in-law as she was married to Archduke Carl Ludwig, Franz Joseph's brother.

2. The picture shows Archduchess Sophie and her twin-sister Marie Queen of Saxony, not their half-sister Caroline Auguste.


1 when someone marries the brother of your husband she becomes also your sister in law..as far as i know sisi was married to franz joseph so maria annunziata was also her sister in law..

2. sorry for the mistake didnt know that but the book has much mistakes indeed..
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 01, 2009, 05:30:46 AM
1 when someone marries the brother of your husband she becomes also your sister in law..as far as i know sisi was married to franz joseph so maria annunziata was also her sister in law..

I just checked the Wikipedia entry. In Germany only the wife of your own brother or the sister of your husband is your sister-in-law. Anyway.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 01, 2009, 06:29:49 PM
Young Sissi

(http://img.panovnici.cz/foto/alzbeta-bavorska/alzbeta-bavorska.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on June 02, 2009, 05:27:17 AM
1 when someone marries the brother of your husband she becomes also your sister in law..as far as i know sisi was married to franz joseph so maria annunziata was also her sister in law..

I just checked the Wikipedia entry. In Germany only the wife of your own brother or the sister of your husband is your sister-in-law. Anyway.
everywhere i come the wife of your husbands brother is also your sister in law...what should she else be..a stranger?

anyway never mind this subject here.. it will ruin all the beautifull pics of Sisi
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
Austrian Euro with Sissi's image

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/2843832265_583aa43305.jpg?v=0)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 05, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Franz & Sissi

http://images.artnet.com/WebServices/picture.aspx?date=19980314&catalog=8630&gallery=110995&lot=00093&filetype=2 (http://images.artnet.com/WebServices/picture.aspx?date=19980314&catalog=8630&gallery=110995&lot=00093&filetype=2)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 08, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
Empress Sissi through the time

(http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Kaiserin_Elisabeth_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 09, 2009, 04:03:03 PM
This picture is hilarious because it's completely messing up the dates. lol I like it, though. :-) It's a very popular picture.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2009, 06:56:47 PM
I don't remember this, excuse me if it has been posted

(http://blog.sme.sk/blog/5838/126249/sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 19, 2009, 07:04:43 PM
I have been looking for one pic wich shows Sissi's last day, she's on
the floor, Lucheni is behind her leaving the street, Irma Sztaray is
next to Sissi with a man, they're like helping Sissi to stand up again.
Have you ever seen it?? I've been looking for it for one year, but
I can't find it again, Can you help me? :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 20, 2009, 04:19:14 AM
And one question... Who is walking at her side??? :-)

It's Mr. Frederic Barker, Elisabeth's reader of Greek texts. The picture was taken in Caux, 1898.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 20, 2009, 06:52:16 AM
I have been looking for one pic wich shows Sissi's last day, she's on
the floor, Lucheni is behind her leaving the street, Irma Sztaray is
next to Sissi with a man, they're like helping Sissi to stand up again.
Have you ever seen it?? I've been looking for it for one year, but
I can't find it again, Can you help me? :-)

There are lots of pictures dealing with the events at Geneva out there. Maybe it's one of those:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/b_sisi_7_2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/assassinio_sissi.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/MURDER.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/4g3d37.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/05.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/eik22.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/ideas_psychohotels_007.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/musissi.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/wg72135.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/geneva-10-sept-1898-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on June 20, 2009, 09:20:20 AM
The first two are new to me
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 20, 2009, 02:41:38 PM
Sisi getting into the carriage
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/marked/00989733.jpg)

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Post by: Ally Kumari on June 20, 2009, 02:42:33 PM


Sisi as Queen of Hungary
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/marked/80156486.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 07:22:54 PM
Sissi, A lucky woman?
Sissi was born on December 24th, 1837, Sunday.
I Europe it was considered a signal of good luck, because she was
born on the day of the Sun, She considered that someone
that was born on Sunday can give good luck (Or also bad luck) to
others. And if it wasn't enough, when she was born she had a teeth,
The "good luck teeth"
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 07:30:08 PM
Sissi & spiritism

Sissi said that she had habilities for comonicate with spirits.
She said that she could communicate with her cousin Ludwig
after his death. Rudolph criticized his mother, and he also
wrote an anonym phamphlet "Some words about spiritism".
After Rudolph's death Sissi  tried to communicate with him,
and he told her (I don't believe so) that he was in a place that
was worse than the hell
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Post by: Anastasia Spalko on July 11, 2009, 07:55:49 PM
Yesterday, i was shopping with my Mom and Aunt at a mall in Bangkok, when we pass this picture frame shop and I saw that many of them had a picture of a woman in them, and at first glance, they looked like Sissi.  A few seconds later, I ask to turn back, and I just looked at the closest one and said, "OMG, that's Sissi!"  The shopkeeper allowed me to take a picture on my Aunt's cell phone.  Once my Aunt wakes up, I'm going to figure out how to get the picture from her cell, and it should be a breeze after that.  Please tell me it's Sissi, because the shopkeeper said someone had asked who it was, and i told her it was Sissi.  I'll feel bad if I'm wrong.
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Post by: Madame-Sisi on July 12, 2009, 07:58:30 AM
Yesterday, i was shopping with my Mom and Aunt at a mall in Bangkok, when we pass this picture frame shop and I saw that many of them had a picture of a woman in them, and at first glance, they looked like Sissi.  A few seconds later, I ask to turn back, and I just looked at the closest one and said, "OMG, that's Sissi!"  The shopkeeper allowed me to take a picture on my Aunt's cell phone.  Once my Aunt wakes up, I'm going to figure out how to get the picture from her cell, and it should be a breeze after that.  Please tell me it's Sissi, because the shopkeeper said someone had asked who it was, and i told her it was Sissi.  I'll feel bad if I'm wrong.

Im curious :d
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 12, 2009, 10:38:24 AM
Yes me too....I can't wait to look at the pictures ,haven't seen new ones for couple of months...except drawings
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on July 12, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
Lucky me my aunt is at work today and won't come back until tomarrow.  I promise I'll post them A.S.A.P.  If i don't, start blackmailing me or something so I'll feel bad.  Sorry I've kept you waiting.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
I hope that you can see it

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=elisabeth+empress&prev=/images%3Fq%3Delisabeth%2Bempress%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18&imgurl=3611f35bd35c7150  (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=elisabeth+empress&prev=/images%3Fq%3Delisabeth%2Bempress%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18&imgurl=3611f35bd35c7150)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2009, 07:59:18 PM
One more, I hope that you can see them, I don't know what happened

(http://www.papiruszportal.hu/feltolt/Image/muzeumok/godollo_erzsebet/erszebet_kne_udvozlese_godollon.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 18, 2009, 03:59:33 PM
Family Dinner

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/708e6a232d81c76a6434ae19fd49bf7c.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 04:21:54 PM
Really new for me, is Sissi the lady in front of the window between the to men?
Thank you for post it and other question... was it an special day?
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
One question, the dress that Sissi worn on her coronation of queen of Hungary still exists,
but what happened with her jewels?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 28, 2009, 05:44:57 PM
Yep., That s sissi between her two sons in -law.

I have no idea if it was an special day. Maybe it was just a family dinner.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 28, 2009, 06:30:32 PM
One more...

http://www.individualtours.at/bilder/sissi.jpg (http://www.individualtours.at/bilder/sissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on July 31, 2009, 01:45:00 AM
Sorry for this is not a pic but a cheesy piece of info:
This happened when Nicholas II and Alexandra visited Vienna on the early times of their rule.

“The Empress Elizabeth of Austria, who had quite retired from Court after the tragic death of her son, the Crown Prince Rudolph, came especially to Vienna to welcome the young Empress and was exceedingly kind to her. This was the only time they ever met. Both the Emperor and the Empress fell immediately under the spell of the Empress Elizabeth's romantic personality, and never forgot the picture of loveliness she made at the State dinner at the Hofburg which took place, by the way, at five P.M., as the Emperor Franz Josef had remained faithful to the hour of his young days. The Empress Elizabeth had retained her great beauty. She was all in black, and her glorious thick hair had still kept its deep brown colour. She became very animated when talking to the Emperor and was charming.”

Quoted from Sophie Buxhoeveden’s Memoirs, Chapter VIII.

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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 31, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
Thanks for the info. GP Shandroise, new for me :-)
Thank you very much for the photos, Specially about "Erszi" I don't
have much luck to find new ones. She was a beautiful girl!
About the draw of Winterhalter's painting, was it the original draw?
You know the one that he do, before doing the definitive painting.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 05, 2009, 08:40:47 AM
Empress dying
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_10000966a.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/10000966a.jpg)

A cartoon
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_10083074a.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/10083074a.jpg)

Queen of Hungary
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/th_10201306a.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Sisi/10201306a.jpg)
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 07, 2009, 12:54:02 PM
Are there more paintings of archduchess Sophie (Sissi’s eldest daughter, no her mother in law)? I just have seen this famous painting, of her. And other draw, when Sissi is with Gisela and Rudolph (babies) and there is a painting of Sophie on the wall, behind them. There are other draws of Sissi with two babies, but I don’t know if they’re Sophie and Gisela or Gisela and Rudolph? She looks very young, but I don’t know who the babies are, you’ve posted all of them in this and the other threads of pics about Empress Sissi, I think that you know of which draws I’m talking about, they’re familiar portraits, in some of them appears Sissi’s parents in law, in others just with Franz Joseph, and Sissi with her two babies, If you know the answer please post it, advanced Thank You very much
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Post by: Princess Susan on August 07, 2009, 03:31:46 PM
Are there more paintings of archduchess Sophie (Sissi’s eldest daughter, no her mother in law)? I just have seen this famous painting, of her. And other draw, when Sissi is with Gisela and Rudolph (babies) and there is a painting of Sophie on the wall, behind them. There are other draws of Sissi with two babies, but I don’t know if they’re Sophie and Gisela or Gisela and Rudolph? She looks very young, but I don’t know who the babies are, you’ve posted all of them in this and the other threads of pics about Empress Sissi, I think that you know of which draws I’m talking about, they’re familiar portraits, in some of them appears Sissi’s parents in law, in others just with Franz Joseph, and Sissi with her two babies, If you know the answer please post it, advanced Thank You very much

You probably mean this picture:
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/impfam57.jpg)
There are Archduchess Sophie with little Gisela, Archduke Franz Karl, Elsabeth and Franz Joseph with little Sophie.

Another drawing of little Sophie and her parents:
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/mar5th55.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on August 07, 2009, 03:38:49 PM
On these family pictures is not Sophie, but I think, they have been not posted here.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/impfam72.jpg)
In 1872

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/impfam68.jpg)
With little Valerie, Gisela and Rudolf, 1868.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Valancy on August 14, 2009, 02:43:46 PM
I think Sisi's hair just was lighter when she was a child and then darkened naturally when she got older, and the same probably happened to Gisela. It's pretty common. My hair did that, too, it was a lot lighter when I was a kid than it is now. I've certainly never heard of Elisabeth's hair being dyed, and can you imagine how much hairdye it would take to dye all that hair and keep it an even colour all the time?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 15, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
Thanks for the info. about Gisela!!
About Sissi, I don't think that she dyied her hair, but I read something like this before.
Perhaps this person based this arguments because there are some paintings of young Sissi and her
hair looks blond, one of this is the painting of her engagement, but in her photos she doesn't looks
blonde, her sisters and brothers (not including Karl Teodor) weren't blond... Were they?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 15, 2009, 06:30:07 PM
One question more. Do you know if Sissi lost some of her tooth? I read one page that said that she
lost many of her tooth, for that reason she avoided to smile
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on August 16, 2009, 04:11:27 AM
I am not sure with dyeing of Elisabeth hair. Maybe in her last year, she did... Except Karl Theodor even her sister Sophie and Max Emanuel were blonde.
Sisi propably realy had serious problems with her tooth, because I have read it in almoust every book about her.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 17, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
I only knew that she dislked her tooth because they were yellow, she tryied to do different things to become her tooth white but unsuccessfully,
I knew also that she disliked to show her tooth and when she spoke she tryied to open her mouth the less than she could and she spoke very quietly.
I read in other page that she had excellent tooth at the time of her death, but certainly, I don't know
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 14, 2009, 07:15:52 PM
This is completely new for me, I hope that you like it
http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://www.operagloves.com/Royals/Sissi/sissi-SisiFranz23%255B1%255D.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.operagloves.com/Royals/Sissi/sissi2.html&usg=__SwcfDMsPZ4-_ADi2EJTOqeR8i9U=&h=777&w=500&sz=80&hl=es&start=52&tbnid=2CkhFGdcwgRdZM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempress%2Belisabeth%2Bsissi%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36 (http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://www.operagloves.com/Royals/Sissi/sissi-SisiFranz23%255B1%255D.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.operagloves.com/Royals/Sissi/sissi2.html&usg=__SwcfDMsPZ4-_ADi2EJTOqeR8i9U=&h=777&w=500&sz=80&hl=es&start=52&tbnid=2CkhFGdcwgRdZM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dempress%2Belisabeth%2Bsissi%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: gogm on September 15, 2009, 01:23:18 AM
This site has numerous images of royals, all in gloves!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 15, 2009, 05:00:56 AM
Some of the pictures were indeed new for me, however they were not photos or new paintings. more like amateur copys of famous portraits.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 05:59:20 PM
This site has numerous images of royals, all in gloves!

Yes, the majority are paintings and copies in black and white of the same paintings. She had
several portraits or even photos wearing gloves ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 06:43:28 PM
Of this famous portrait, can you tell me who of the girls is Sissi?
I suppose that is one of the two girls who are standing near the table with the cage
with two parrots, can you tell me which?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Helena_Bavorsk%C3%A1_s_rodinou.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Helena_Bavorsk%C3%A1_s_rodinou.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on September 15, 2009, 07:03:46 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe this painting was a wedding gift from her siblings. Elisabeth is not portrayed in this painting.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 07:15:56 PM
So... Who are the people portrayed here? I knew that were Sissi's parents and their children
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 15, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
 You re right, Aor. Sisi doesnt appear in that portrait. The girls next to the cage are Mathilde and Marie Sophie. They re not the Parent, those are Helene von Thurn und Taxis and the gentleman im not sure but Veronica told me that hi name was Ludwig (where are you Vero!!?)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 15, 2009, 07:42:39 PM
Thank you very much for the correction. Do you know when was it painted?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 16, 2009, 03:36:22 AM
As a wedding present for Sisi :) SO before her wedding.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on September 16, 2009, 01:27:38 PM
Of this famous portrait, can you tell me who of the girls is Sissi?
I suppose that is one of the two girls who are standing near the table with the cage
with two parrots, can you tell me which?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Helena_Bavorsk%C3%A1_s_rodinou.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Helena_Bavorsk%C3%A1_s_rodinou.jpg)

The people portrayed are all of Sisi's brothers and sisters.
From left to right: Sophie Charlotte, Max Emmanuel, Carl Theodor, Helene, Ludwig, Mathilde and Marie Sophie
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 16, 2009, 07:02:11 PM
Thank you very much for the information Veronica ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: jalm on September 24, 2009, 06:58:20 AM
I have uploaded an album with photographs of Empress Sisi, family and Court related.
All carte de visite photographs including Franz Joseph, their children, brothers of Emperor Franz Joseph etc. etc.
Excuse me for the somewhat light scans - the originals are better.
Please follow the link to start with the intro and run through the album.
An index will follow....

http://www.the-eastern-window.com/galleries/kaiserhaus/kaiserhaus_intro.html

Jan
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Post by: Veronica on September 24, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
Wonderful pics Jan!!!! They are absolutley great! Thank you for the link
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 24, 2009, 12:51:34 PM
yeah thanks so much! a few months ago i bought a CDV of an austrian archduke and thanks to your gallery  now i know who he is (Archduke Wilhelm Franz)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: THERRY on September 28, 2009, 06:38:03 AM
Do you know this painting ? I think it's beautiful but I don't know the author. I just know that he is a contemporary
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2cy1ki1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 28, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
It's new to me i think Therry..Thank you very much
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: gogm on September 28, 2009, 12:50:03 PM
Its new to me too. It looks like a knock off of an original portrait of her Hungarian coronation ceremony.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 28, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
But it's still so soft and pretty...almost like a real....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on September 28, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
But it's still so soft and pretty...almost like a real....
i agree with you...

its the first time i saw it but i thought i had seen it but when i looked 2 my collection of the hungarion crownation paintings of sisi i saw it wasnt in there...
it really looks like another one but this one is softer!

thnx for posting it
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 28, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
This is the most beautiful painting of Sissi's coronation that I've ever seen, she looks soooo real. I adore it.
Do you know who painted it? It doesn't look as others of the XIX century. Is based in one of Sissi's photos ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 28, 2009, 03:34:40 PM
Where did you find it?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on September 28, 2009, 05:00:29 PM
I thought that dress looked familiar.  It looks pretty real.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: THERRY on September 29, 2009, 06:31:56 AM
I found it posted here http://www.elisabeth-sissi.org/  A very beautiful italian site dedicated to Empress Sissi but there were no indications of origin. Sorry
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2009, 01:41:13 PM
There are several beutiful things in that site, sadly I don't understand Italian :-(
Thanks for the link anyway :-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 06, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
The full verssion of a detail that I posted before
http://www.andrerieutranslations.com/sitebuilder/images/verlobung_franz_sissi-261x255.jpg (http://www.andrerieutranslations.com/sitebuilder/images/verlobung_franz_sissi-261x255.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2009, 06:55:30 PM
Have you ever seen a draw that Sissi did of herself wearing the dress of the painting below?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 07, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
No. And I'm interested to see it.  ;D

RealAnastasia
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on October 08, 2009, 09:27:27 AM
Could the painting be a copy of a photograph?? I seem to remember seeing a similar pose in a photograph somewhere. I do believe the painting is of our present era and not made during the time of the Hungarian Coronation.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 08, 2009, 02:25:53 PM
I agree completely with you aor, the painting is completely the same than the photo, I
haven't seen any XIX century painting of that style before.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 08, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
And I forgot to say that there is also another draw of Sissi about herself, I think that is based on
one photo where you can see her back and she is with some ladies in waiting...If you see the draws
one day... Can you post them? I saw them a long time ago, but I couldn't find them anymore
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 08, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
i dont know what you mean Alzbeta but i have some drawings that sisi made:

it is said she made these paintings:
(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/585/l865beb0d2d9b4277929318.jpg)
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4771/l179c55fbb085436c96dfa0.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2849/l6f3b7dd433ea4647acd541.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7999/ld079ce825ca24d4985f249.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 09, 2009, 08:49:15 PM
Wow, my English teacher will be upset when I tell her a vain Austrian empress painted better pictures than her. 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 10, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
I can't say her drawings are the most beautiful i've seen but she had talent indeed.....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2009, 10:27:45 AM
She should be an artist or actress if she is alive today. She end up being more like Greta Garbo...shunning attention but loving the stage...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 10, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Um, I'm still confused why she drew and ox and a freaky-lookign tree.  This is the side of Sissi I never knew.  Still great artwork nonetheless.  I can't really see Sissi being an actress.  What if they put her in Twilight or something?  O0O
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 10, 2009, 05:20:26 PM
maybe because of her love for animals and nature...i dont know...or it was something she saw that day..who knows
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on October 10, 2009, 07:19:10 PM
Huh??? great artist??? Oh my, the Empress Elisabeth was a rather strange creature, interesting but 'odd'.
She felt she was on the same level as Heine, she simply was not. Most of her poetry is childish and misses the cleverness and 'bite' of those of Heine! She had plenty of time for her doodles, but to say she is an artist goes too far.

If it had not been for Ernst Marischka and the Sissi Trilogy, she would looked upon in history as a strange, willfull creature that was vain and used her beauty to steer and manipulate.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2009, 03:00:06 PM
If Sisi was not born royal, she might have had a career on stage. Her beauty itself (like Lily Langtry) would have been enough to attract attention. His eldest brother did end up marrying a stage actress, and another brother a doctor.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 11, 2009, 09:28:06 PM
She could have drawn cartoons for little kids if she were here now, i guess
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 12, 2009, 03:23:40 AM
But i kind of agree with aor.... Eric Lowe you bit idealize her.. Because her drawings are good but i've seen better...even of people here which are not royal but they drew so good....Drawing hasn't changed much now from one or two Centuries ago..
Empress Elisabeth's life was tragic...she was beautiful i agree but strange in personality... About her poetry...i haven't read it all because it's on German and this language i'm studying now....So i can't comment there....
But i don't think she such superb talent for art
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:36:06 PM
Not really, if you read Zola's "Nana" and Lillie Langtry's whole career was built on beauty alone. Sisi could have been an actress and she does have good taste in clothes. I don't say she was a great artist like Camille Claduel, but she would have some success as a society artist.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 12, 2009, 01:42:23 PM
Yea but listen to yourself...you always say she must been an actress because of her beauty and give me some other examples and now you say she have great taste in clothes.... To be an actress you must have natural talent...and actors are always bit crazy...she wasn't soo crazy....I never seen photo of her laughing ...only kind of smiling.... she could play scenery... (I've seen other queens and Empresses laughing) So try something else to put where she could be good...she could be good as designer i believe...as you said good choosing clothes.... Because in theatre she won't choose the clothes for her...nothing that she was Empress
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2009, 01:46:25 PM
Did you read Zola's Nana ? Read it before you comment on my choice. Indeed, Sisi did "act" when situation was required. Lillie Langtry wasn't a great actress like Ellen Terry, but she was "The Jersey Lily" whose beauty and fame made up for her lack of acting talents....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 12, 2009, 01:53:59 PM
I'm not going to continue this theme because i don't agree with you.... I don't like when people are too idealizing someone... I also good manoeuvre in hard situations....Does this mean i can be great actress?? I'm sorry i can't comment Elisabeth when i don't know her art abilities well...I only know she drew not bad and her poetry from i've read was good.... aor said it's was childish which is possible and her threatre skills don't know nothing about them....

Attach to the theme...in each post you continue giving me exampes of other people...what "if" and "someone was" ...We are speaking about Elisabeth of Austria and Hungary not about Ellen Terry or someother
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
Thank you very much Madame Sissi!! She was an incredible drawer, I saw one of herself with
her engagement dress and wasn't as good as these, perhaps because she was youger
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 13, 2009, 12:48:29 AM
Thank you very much Madame Sissi!! She was an incredible drawer, I saw one of herself with
her engagement dress and wasn't as good as these, perhaps because she was youger
i never saw that one before!
so if you f ind it please post it...;-)
I also have a picture with drawings of her when she still was a little girl, before she became empress!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2009, 03:35:18 PM
Can you post it Madame Sissi? Would be interesting to see that draws, wow!! she had a
lot of virtues!!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 14, 2009, 04:19:01 AM
Here it is Alzbeta:
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8572/l3cbcf7eb3fc44fe3bddbf6.jpg)

This she draw before she became empress...and there is a little text for her brother Karl-Theodore
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: THERRY on October 14, 2009, 06:29:03 AM
Thank you very much for posting these draws  MAGNIFICENT  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on October 14, 2009, 06:49:53 AM
your welcome therry!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 14, 2009, 09:00:10 AM
i dnt know if they re "magnificent" but they re such a great historic material. Thanks so much for posting them!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
Thank you very9999 much Madame Sissi. She was very good at drawing, although the
lady that she wanted to draw didn't looked as good as the landscape under it. Do you know what
did Sissi wrote for Gackel, I can't understand it :-(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
Well I was reffering to love art. I really don't know where did she took that interests.
Did Sissi like music? I haven't heard about something like this
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 14, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
Sisi liked dancing and could dance gipsy dances as a child. Once tourist threw her some coins, as she later recalled those were the only money she earned honestly.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on October 15, 2009, 12:27:31 PM
The Empress after Mayerling :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/bv.jpg)

Same pose (same portrait ?) :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/elisa.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/inblack.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/latesissi1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 15, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
Sisi liked dancing and could dance gipsy dances as a child. Once tourist threw her some coins, as she later recalled those were the only money she earned honestly.

I haven't heard that never before, she must looked funny ;-)
The third one isn't of the same session of the second and fourth, where it is between. Is the
third a photo? Because I don't know if it's true that she stopped taking photos after her 30 years
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 15, 2009, 12:57:03 PM
She looks very sad on the first one, it is the full verssion?. Well, the draw is Sissi in Rudolph's burial
or just only one made after his death?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on October 15, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
According to my sources, the representation of Elizabeth in great mourning veil has been made after the tragedy of Mayerling.

Regarding the two official photos of Elizabeth in mourning, I wonder if this is not the last taken of the Empress in the last years of her reign because I know no other.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 15, 2009, 02:10:57 PM
Are the official ones the three that you posted before or others?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
Not much after Mayerling. Most of the official ones were aged atificially...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 17, 2009, 04:01:44 PM
Well. I knew that she disliked that someone take photos ao didn't want to pose for
painters, so many of paintings were based in old ones or other just invented, of course
representing her maturer as in the original ones.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 17, 2009, 06:24:59 PM
Wow, she's skinny.  My new worst fear is being "Sissi-sized". 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Aliss_Kande on October 18, 2009, 01:14:56 PM
I don't think she was ahead of her time in a good way.  Eating disorders are not a good thing.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on October 18, 2009, 01:41:46 PM
I don't think she was ahead of her time in a good way.  Eating disorders are not a good thing.

I so agree with that statement!!!!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 18, 2009, 07:42:32 PM
That's why it is best to stick to the middle path.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
Yes. But at the time most ladies did not exerise much or diet. We now know that the body needs to detox. Sisi knew it from the point of figure and good health. She liked living in the country with clean air and water.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Anastasia Spalko on October 19, 2009, 07:38:06 PM
Yeah, she was, but she kinda was obsessive about it.  Do you want to have a waist the size of a Sharpie marker?  I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 19, 2009, 11:34:18 PM
I think that no body is equal to another, so not all people needs the same amount of exercise or not even a same diet. Wich is convenable for ones is bad for others. For example, in my case, I don't need any diet. I'm too thin even if I eat normally. I even force myself to eat more and more to win some wieght. My physician said it's O.K, since my body is just this way and I will not get fatter. And of course, if does too much exercise I will become thin as a stick! So, it's better for me not to do it...and that's good enough, since I rather like to read than to go to perform trekking! But physician said it's O.K too, since I walk a lot and also dance which, he saids, it's like to perform gym.

In fact, my physician saids that nowadays people believes there's an only way to be healthy and for him every person must have his/her own recipe, since every body is different from another. Who suits A could not suit B.

My opinion about Sissi is that   if she was not an anorexic, she was very near of becoming one. She was in love with herself. I like her very much but there's also little things of her I don't like too much. She was intelligent and sensitive, but also excentric and she seemed not to care about other people feelings.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 01:00:19 PM
Well...It is natural. People did not care for HER feelings (Her husband & Mother-in-law were primarily the ones). Sisi suffered the confines of her position, a role she was not equipped to play. Childish & wilful, once she got the chance to get her own way, she did. I would not blame her one bit. Her husband, who could have guided her into politics and developed her as a helpmate treated her like a child or worse a doll...What she did attain, Sisi did herself. Since she knew it was her beauty that holds her popularity and her husband's love, she fought hard to retain it as long as possible.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
What i dont understand is why sissi became so obssessed with being thin when in those years, have "meat in the bones" and curves by corset  was the ideal of beauty
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2009, 02:39:17 PM
Imagine if you were the most beautiful lady in Europe, you're famous and admired for that reason, I'm sure that
everyone in that condition would do wathever she could to keep her appereance, I saw that with many of modern
actresses and other beautiful women, Sissi was anorexic, she felt terrible if she overwheighed even for a few grams her
weigh of 50 kilos, of course isn't good.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2009, 02:59:41 PM
I know that, but i dont understand why Sissi, if she  wanted to be beautiful, did the opposite to reach the "ideal of beauty"

If you see nude painting of the era, Pictures of some of the gorgeous women of the era,  risque photographs and vaudeville actresses, you will see how wrong was Sissi in her point of view about "beauty ideals"

For what i ve read over here and other places, the only answer seems to be she was sick (anorexia). How sad =(
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
Sisi's beauty is more like Audrey Hepburn. She was more girlish than womanly. Anyway Alix of Wales also fall under that catagory. Both of them were quite flat chested.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on October 20, 2009, 03:37:22 PM
Sisi kept more her beauty for herself than for others. That's why she was so obsessed with thinness. She cultivated her beauty but hated the look of others, a strange paradox but common among people who attract much attention.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 20, 2009, 06:25:46 PM
I know that, but i dont understand why Sissi, if she  wanted to be beautiful, did the opposite to reach the "ideal of beauty"

If you see nude painting of the era, Pictures of some of the gorgeous women of the era,  risque photographs and vaudeville actresses, you will see how wrong was Sissi in her point of view about "beauty ideals"
She wasn't like the majority of XIX century women, many of her ideas weren't common in her time, and
her ideal of beauty was other of this
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2009, 06:27:20 PM
of course, no one in early XIX century would thought about anorexia and being obsessed with being ultra thin.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 08:17:07 PM
Sisi had a grace of just her own. The way she walked and talked suggested enchantment.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2009, 09:14:46 PM
That its a fact, despite her supposed eating disorders
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2009, 09:52:00 PM
Well...How could you be fat and dumpy and still be enchanting ? Looking at her sister Nene in her later years might have led to Sisi redouble her efforts.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 20, 2009, 10:11:49 PM
Oh my... a woman can have curves and still have grace and elegance, for example Empress Eugene of France, a chic woman of her decade with meat in her bones.

Charm , style and other things doesnt go away with  a couple of  pounds more.



Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 20, 2009, 11:45:21 PM
Oh my... a woman can have curves and still have grace and elegance, for example Empress Eugene of France, a chic woman of her decade with meat in her bones.

Charm , style and other things doesnt go away with  a couple of  pounds more.





I agree. Curves are stylish. I do not like too fat people, but nor the ones who are all bones under the skin...Ugh.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2009, 08:52:03 AM
Well...Audrey Hepburn & Twiggy were both thin and elegant and so was Olga & Marina of Greece. As Duchess of Windsor said "No woman can be too thin or too rich !" Sisi knew that to be sylish, she had to remain thin.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 21, 2009, 09:30:44 AM
As long as we know, none of the woman you had mentioned had "Obssession" for being thin.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: aor on October 21, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Well...How could you be fat and dumpy and still be enchanting ? Looking at her sister Nene in her later years might have led to Sisi redouble her efforts.

Yikes, I know plenty of people that are fat and dumpy and are still very enchanting!!! Being enchanting has NOTHING to do with weight!!
None of us has met the Empress Elisabeth in person, we only go by what is put out there, so please.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 21, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
Hmm somehow i alway agree with the words of aor...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on October 21, 2009, 03:41:56 PM
Pity not new for me

Right now  i can find this one without mark and big
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_reit04.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/reit04.jpg)

Found it in better quality
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_090427PortraitElisabethBitterlich_0.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/090427PortraitElisabethBitterlich_0.jpg)



Want to see it bigger
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_achil_3.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/achil_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
Last moments together of Franz Josef and Elisabeth between public life and intimate moments. See this couple together, yet so ill-matched, after so many years together, still as moving :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/jossisi.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/millenium1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/drawing-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 08, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
Two lovely images of Elisabeth

(http://i35.tinypic.com/2e0r7g7.jpg)

And i love this one cause its so melancholic!

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2r62wx5.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 09, 2009, 09:48:16 AM
I would like to know where she was going in this ship (the last one pic)
She had a very beautiful figure ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Veronica on November 09, 2009, 01:10:14 PM
I love this one

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6931/copiadesisi41971.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Laura_ on November 09, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
I love this one

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6931/copiadesisi41971.jpg

 Does anyone know who painted this ? and the year..?  It`s beautiful!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on November 09, 2009, 10:13:48 PM
Whet I think I already knows every single picture and painting of Elizabeth, it alwats comes something new to amaze me. IT's a little like in the Romanov's case. Where does you find these kind of treasures, people?

By the way: Congrats, Katenka_Fyodorovna! I already knew the second pic you've psted, but not the fiirst one , and in it Sisi is absolutely GORGEOUS!

To Veronica: Congrats too!  ;) I didn't know the great painting you've posted, either and its absolutely wonderful.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 10, 2009, 02:46:46 AM
But Holly the first one which Katenka posted was already posted on this and the other thread.... I even coloured it before many months
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 10, 2009, 07:08:39 AM
I love this one

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6931/copiadesisi41971.jpg

 Does anyone know who painted this ? and the year..?  It`s beautiful!
I've never seen it before, is sooooo beautiful!!!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on November 10, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2u4khec.jpg)


Elisabeth in 1895.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on November 10, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
(http://i37.tinypic.com/15pigbq.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 10, 2009, 02:43:22 PM
Where is Sissi in the first photo? Who is with her? Franz Joseph??
She looks very lovely in the last one, completely new for me, thank you soooo much!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: THERRY on November 11, 2009, 05:10:08 AM
Thank You Rani is so much beautiful this portrait   I love it !!!
Veronica the painting you've posted is wonderful and completely new for me too !!!!
Do you know where is it ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 09:32:03 AM
This is one of my favorites of her. A very young Sissi holding a portrait of Franz Joseph

(http://i33.tinypic.com/5p381j.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on November 11, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Where is Sissi in the first photo? Who is with her? Franz Joseph??
She looks very lovely in the last one, completely new for me, thank you soooo much!! ;-)

I can´t speak Hungarian. Maybe someone in this board can translate is. But this man is not Franz Joseph.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 12:42:18 PM
This photo of young Sissi was posted before in the first part of the thread, but is very
beautiful, she looks very lovely with this portrait of FJ on her hand ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 12:51:37 PM
Doh!  i didnt see it. So sorry!

I ll check over if i find a new one. ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 12:55:32 PM
Don't worry!!! ;-) I hope that you have luck at finding new ones!!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2009, 01:03:43 PM
i hope that too! xDD

Can someone tell me the names of Elisabeth`s  companion in this picture?. Thanks in advanced!

(http://i37.tinypic.com/2jczdv.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 01:19:20 PM
Good question, I'd like to know the same too!! ;-) Are they only austrian ladies or are
there a few hungarian ones?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: synnadene on November 11, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2u4khec.jpg)


Elisabeth in 1895.

Elisabeth with her greek teacher/reader /Constantin Christomanos, I think/ in front of the Deák-'Hotel' in Bártfa-Fürdő.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 12, 2009, 02:03:58 PM
Thank you very much for the information synnadene!!! Thanks for the help!!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 13, 2009, 09:03:02 AM
i hope that too! xDD

Can someone tell me the names of Elisabeth`s  companion in this picture?. Thanks in advanced!

(http://i37.tinypic.com/2jczdv.jpg)

i think they are Mathilde Windischgrätz, Lily Hunyady, Paula Königsegg and Caroline Lamberg
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2009, 12:09:51 PM
Do you know when was taken this photo? I suppose that was before 1870's...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 13, 2009, 12:33:06 PM
According the gowns, yes. I id say circa 1865

Thanks Madame Sisi for the info!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 13, 2009, 12:41:36 PM
Thanks for the fact Katenka!!! and also too for Madame Sissi!!! Indeed!!!
I don't know anything about her ladies in waiting, but was Lily Hunyady austrian?
Her name sounds to me like a little bit foreign... hungarian?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 13, 2009, 02:43:01 PM
Thanks for the fact Katenka!!! and also too for Madame Sissi!!! Indeed!!!
I don't know anything about her ladies in waiting, but was Lily Hunyady austrian?
Her name sounds to me like a little bit foreign... hungarian?

She was hungarian i thought..her real name is Caroline Hunyady but was nicknamed Lily. she was the sister Emmerich (imre) Hunyady he was quit a good horseman and they say he had a crush on Sisi...like most men did..he also went to Madeira with Sisi and her ladies in waiting.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
You left out Helen Von Taxis who is facing the camera. Her book was quoted in Halsip and Britgette's books. I wonder if the book is available ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 13, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
yeah im sorry forgot about her :p
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 13, 2009, 04:10:51 PM
I think she was the only one who wrote down life with the empress. As a cousin by marriage to Nene, she was in a unique postion.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 16, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
I can see it:
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_82094504.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/82094504.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 17, 2009, 06:44:26 AM
i have heard that that picture is a fake one.
because there are no shaddows from the horses and i have read more about it but i gotta find it back..didnt remember where i saw it but if i find it i will post what they said about that picture.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2009, 07:28:26 AM
Thanks, irina!.

Well, with an small version i have little to say but it does look weird. Maybe it was heavily retouched?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 17, 2009, 01:27:13 PM
Yes and take a look at Sisi in this time she would be i think with grey hair and bit older.... But when i see the horses i can say for sure it's re touched one...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2009, 03:09:05 PM
Have you ever see another photo of Empress Sissi looking old, I don't know...mmm... with gray
hair as you said? I saw one but I'm not sure if reallly this lady is Sissi
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
the one of a lady sitting  next to a desk? No she isnt Sissi.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2009, 03:21:40 PM
I think that is this... tow ladies sitting near to a desk. I've seen that people say
that she is Sissi but really I don't think so.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 17, 2009, 03:54:09 PM
Yes i have seen i think in the other threads somewhere Sisi with grey hair i can be wrong ofcourse.I remember some desk too....
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2009, 05:48:32 PM
yes and a portrait of Sophie charlotte of Sissi behind. I think that picture are ladies related to Elisabeth, not the empress Herself.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
For those who doent know of what we are talking about, here s the "lady of the desk"

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6565/237tn3.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 17, 2009, 07:36:28 PM
Indeed... that pic!!! In fact, I read in other place that the other lady who looks older than
this that we see was Sissi, no she isn't.
One question... who is she?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2009, 07:43:18 PM
She obviously isnt Sissi. I think she might be related to her...lady in waiting perhaps?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 19, 2009, 06:02:17 AM
about the lady at the desk..

i have found a photo that is made somewhere between 1870/1880 i guess. but its ida with a women and they said it was elisabeth.
but the woman looked more on the lady at the desk..so i have put those pictures together with some of elisabeth picture so you can see the differences..

i think the lady with ida ferenczy is the same as the lady at the desk with ida only they were younger.

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4316/sisienida.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/3167275912_499ab01046.jpg)

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9817/blabla.png)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2009, 06:51:37 AM
Thanks Madame Sisi! That woman, for what i see, in fact its Ida
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
The mystery woman is Ida ? Then who was the kneeeling one ? Indeed. That woman and the one writing on the desk is one and the same. Great find !!!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 19, 2009, 04:22:48 PM
yes the kneeling one is Ida...

now i still wonder who she is the one that is sitting cause i truely believe she is the same one that is sitting on the desk but here younger...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2009, 05:28:10 PM
-fool me i understood all wrong. I thought that Ida was the woman sitting xDD.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
Maybe another lady in waiting of Sisi ??? She seemed to be Hungarian too I think.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 19, 2009, 07:29:53 PM
Thanks sooo much for the fact Madame Sissi!!! Is obvious that she is Ida!!! ;-)
She didn't change very much with the time!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 20, 2009, 04:10:36 AM
no she only got grey hair...
like the women sitting in the chair but only grey hair when she sits at the desk with ida...

it could also be a stand in for elisabeth (like what her hairdresser fanny feifalik also did)... or family of ida..i am curious who that woman is..its obivously the same women as the so called "grey sisi at the desk"!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 20, 2009, 09:50:31 AM
Do you now when was taken this photo?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 20, 2009, 10:03:20 AM
The one of the Kneeling lady?. according her hairdos and fashion i d say before 1876
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 21, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
Thanks for the fact ;-)
And do you know something about when was taken the one of the desk?
I've heard that the ones that considered that was a photo of Sissi, that it was taken perhaps at 90's,
of XIX century.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 21, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
for what  i see of her dress, i say you re right.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 21, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
Thank you soo much, just I'd like to know if Sissi was still alive when this photo was taken, perhaps
not, I don't know
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Madame-Sisi on November 22, 2009, 07:09:48 AM
i read somewhere the foto with the ladie on the desk was taken in 1896/97 if i remember correctly
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 23, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
Thanks Madame Sissi, for this reason perhaps many people consider that is Sissi, but really
I don't know why, she doesn't look like her
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
In fact Sissi doesn't have too much photos. Even I read that her latest portraits were based in older paintings.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
I read in other place (really I don't know how trustful was the info.) but they said that Sissi
covered her face her lat years because the cocaine that she used as medicine against the pain
on her column caused to her face to have some stains... Really I don't know  :-\
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
Never heard that before. I heard she did porcelain treatment to her skin that ended badly.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:32:53 PM
My God!!! I haven't heard that verssion that you mention.  :oThe official is that she was too vain
to let people to see her face as an old woman, but perhaps there was another reason to keep
it hide
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 07:51:49 AM
Ultimate pictures of the Empress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/latesissi-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/last.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/ssiida.jpg)
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Post by: Trianon on December 05, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/latesissi-1.jpg)
last photo of the Empress with Irma Sztáray, 3rd September 1898 in Territet

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/last.jpg)
The Empress with Ida Ferenczy in 1891.
I think that this is not Elisabeth, but thats only my opinion.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/ssiida.jpg)
The Empress with Eugénie, (former Empress of France), 1895
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 05, 2009, 12:08:22 PM
about the lady at the desk..

i have found a photo that is made somewhere between 1870/1880 i guess. but its ida with a women and they said it was elisabeth.
but the woman looked more on the lady at the desk..so i have put those pictures together with some of elisabeth picture so you can see the differences..

i think the lady with ida ferenczy is the same as the lady at the desk with ida only they were younger.

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4316/sisienida.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/3167275912_499ab01046.jpg)

(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9817/blabla.png)

We already had a discussion about the second picture and for sure its NOT Elisabeth.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 05, 2009, 05:04:38 PM
I have never seen the full verssion of the ladies of the desk, just the famous detail, I'd like
to know in which room they were, well if it belonged to Sissi, an special room of Sissi?
I'd like to see Sissi's face in the last one, where she appears with Empress Eugenie
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 09, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
Lately all people are reposting pictures but im sure we all are in searchin of new ones ;-).

I posted that one just because , if you read the last two pages, we had an interesting discussion about if that really was Elisabeth or her daughter Gisela, cause in the non close up version, it looks a lot like Gisela

And...about other picture we had a discussion. Here the version of the famous picture of Sisi and Franz  Josef but in painting version


(http://i45.tinypic.com/2hdurlj.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on December 12, 2009, 03:49:49 PM
ANTOINE-SAMUEL ADAM-SALOMON DIT ADAMA,1818-1881

(http://i45.tinypic.com/33av050.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:16:17 PM
Thank you very much for the information about the identity of the lady Madame Sissi, yes I was talking about
this lady. About the second photo that Katenka posted (about the ladies with parasols) really looking her carefully
you can identify Sissi's features still on it, although she looks very much like Gisela too.
I'd like to know totally certain if it's a photo or no... I've read a lot about it, but any confirmed argument
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 12, 2009, 05:30:51 PM
you mean if its HER picture or not?. I think its is. Gisela had much "strpng" facial features has the nose and lips and the lady with parasol has much softer ones.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2009, 08:14:32 PM
Where is the burst now ? The image of Sisi is quite harsh here.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 24, 2009, 11:42:24 AM
One day like today but in Sunday and in 1837 was born the Duchess Elisabeth Amalie Eugenie of
Wittelsbach.... Empress Sissi  
Happy 127th anniversary of your birth!!!!
I hope that you can have eternal rest and joy!!!!
I'll always remember you!!! ;-)


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fDJ6A08JQTg/SSw4bLb-KOI/AAAAAAAAAcA/Je_nYba86Hs/s400/ROSA,+56.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 26, 2009, 04:34:05 PM
cool! thank you. :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
Amazon
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Amazon.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 12:36:32 PM
I know that this pic was posted months ago in this same thread but I got a picture not as
dark as the other that was posted before
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Amazon2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 12:44:45 PM
I think this look more like a portrait than a photo. Maybe a portrait based upon a photo.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
She looks very beautiful in the great majority of her portraits, i like very much the ones where
she is wearing ridding habits
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 01:24:54 PM
And was more a problem that Sissi wanted to see her skirts perfect when she was on the back of the
horse and they have to be designed when Sissi was ridding the horse
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 02:21:38 PM
She thought that being born on christmas and that year it was on Sunday too, and it was considered
that was of good luck, so she believed that children that were born on Sunday could take bad or good luck to others,
in fact I've read that also when she was born she had a theeth, thing that she considered another signal of good luck,
she wasn't a common person...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 02:24:11 PM
Sisi most certainly believe she was a special person. However I do not think she consider herself lucky.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 02:26:59 PM
Yes, she didn't consider herself a lucky person, in fact I think that she considered herself an
unhappy one.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 02:31:34 PM
Unlucky in love I guess. If only FJ was not the Emperor...as she said.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
Yes, famous phrase of Sissi, but being honest i still think if Sissi would really be happy with FJ not
as an Emperor, she didn't love him at the time of their engagement and I doubt that he loved him more after
their wedding
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
I think Sisi fell in love with him physically and romantically. The early years between the couple was harmonious enough, their only disagreements were based on the children & Archduchess Sofie.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
And that made a great difference to them that damaged their marriage forever, I think that if the
archduchess wouldn't took any attitude or action they would have perhaps a happier and better relationship
between them
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 02:57:31 PM
Sofie was a dominerring mother beacuse of her nature and misguided loyalty to her family. Sisi later realised this but the damage was done.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 28, 2009, 02:59:52 PM
Indeed true, she wanted more to keep the intererests of the Empire or the dinasty more than the
personal interests of her children
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
Yes. There is a sad dignity to that, and later Sisi asked Archduchess Sofia for her forgiveness on her death bed realising that her dominerring ways were not due to self interest. I think they manage to reconcil before the older woman's death.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
Medal about Elisabeth. You can see her lying in state, so it was given after her death.

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2820/einemedailleaufdentodde.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/einemedailleaufdentodde.jpg/)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2009, 09:54:41 PM
idealized no doubt.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
i think she was idealized in ALL her portraits after rudolph`s death.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on December 29, 2009, 05:07:48 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/youngel53.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/fje54.jpg)

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/fam57.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
I have never seen this meddal before, and by the way, what is written below her image?
Is a pity but I don't understand German. :-(
Thanks for post this lovely image of young Sissi, Princess susan, I only had it in black and white.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 10:58:43 AM
I hope that this portrait of young Sissi wasn't already posted, really I don't remember to see it before.
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/AlSissi.jpg)

This is similar than the other....
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/AYSissi.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 11:36:56 AM
She looked very thin in the face when they are painted. Sisi later have a much fuller face as shown in the Winterhalter portraits.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 11:52:50 AM
Yes, in fact she looks different than the traditional paintings of Sissi.
She looked even more fuller on the portraits that were painted of Sissi as a maturer one
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:09:31 PM
Two portraits of Sissi with a hungarian traditional dress.
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/1Sissi.jpg)
(http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/2Sissi.jpg)

In the second one her face looks more similar to the features of the two portraits below.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:10:14 PM
Yes, I've seen just a photo of Fanny Felifalik (or Angerer) standing next to a mirror, and it's true
that they looked so similar, I would like to know how didn't they noticed that she wasn't the real Empress?
In fact she had a lot of patience, like to do the hairdos in three hours or to dedicate a complete day to
wash the really long hair of the Empress, of course, she received a high salary for this difficult labour :-S
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 02:20:22 PM
It only works in places where the Empress was not seen before. It greatly amused Sisi who would be in the exact town sight seeing at the same time uninterupted.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 02:27:05 PM
It wouldn't functioned nowadays, in that days was more possible to believe that some people hadn't
seen any photo of the Empress to think that Fanny was
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 02:49:29 PM
Yes. But remember in those days, the photos of Sisi were illustrations from Newspapers. They were not clear or accurate.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 30, 2009, 03:01:20 PM
Yes, it's true, in fact as an older lady, her portraits were based on the ones that were made of her
as a younger lady, the artists just made sure to make her to look older, acordding to her age when they
were painted.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2009, 03:56:58 PM
Yes. In later times she was always in black and veiled.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 05, 2010, 12:59:52 PM
Sissi even did that because she disliked the curious persons, even more  when she was older, for
that reasons are the funny photos as the one when she is covering her face with an enormous fan
while she is ridding a horse
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 05, 2010, 02:37:30 PM
Indeed, she became Empress for having a beautiful face, not for other reason. She could use it
for control some of FJ desitions, but she rarely did it.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
Except for Hungary.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 11:49:49 AM
Yes, it was the only time that she took interest in a political topic.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
Especially being call on by the attractive Count Andrassy...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
Sure, one reason more of being interested on Hungary
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 01:02:39 PM
Also because they were underdogs apart from being Archduchess Sofie's pet hates.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
I've read that Sissi also became interested on Hungary because her mother in law disliked them, so
she started learning more about them for being against Archduchess Sophie
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
Part of it. Another reason was that they made a fuss about her and Sisi did look good in Hungarian clothes.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 07, 2010, 10:51:52 AM
But there are paintings of younger Sissi  (after being crowned queen of Hungary) wearing beautiful
hungarian traditional style dresses, she looked lovely with them, I read that she liked to wear the
hungarian dresses
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
Sisi knew she looked good in Hungarian costume early in her marriage. The fact that they do not demand too much from her further gained her liking.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 07, 2010, 11:01:55 AM
But Sissi looked very well with all the clothes, jewels and hairdos that she loved to wear ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 11:02:55 AM
The Hungarian clothes made her look special.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 12:47:19 PM
Not only that, Franz Josef first saw Sisi in mourning in Bad Isal. She was wearing mourning for some aunt, and he fell for her then.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 07, 2010, 01:01:11 PM
I haven't read that!! Who was the dead? The only images of Sissi & Fran on their engagement she
is wearing white dresses.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Paola on January 11, 2010, 12:20:25 PM
I haven't read that!! Who was the dead? The only images of Sissi & Fran on their engagement she
is wearing white dresses.



Sissi was in mourning for her uncle Frederick Augustus II of Saxony who died in an accident some weeks before she met Franz Joseph.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 11, 2010, 12:32:55 PM
I haven't read that!! Who was the dead? The only images of Sissi & Fran on their engagement she
is wearing white dresses.

Sissi was in mourning for her uncle Frederick Augustus II of Saxony who died in an accident some weeks before she met Franz Joseph.

Sorry, Paola, but Friedrich August died in August 1854 when Elisabeth and Franz Joseph had already been married for about four months.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 11, 2010, 12:33:46 PM
I remember having read that they were in mourning for some aunt - but which one?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Paola on January 11, 2010, 12:36:15 PM
Yes, MarieCharlotte you are right. Just checked this after sending my post. I always thought it was for the king she was in mourning. Do you for who she was in mourning then?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2010, 12:48:07 PM
Talking about Elisabeth. Here an Illustration i havent seen before

(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/6676/75784163.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on January 11, 2010, 01:24:07 PM
A better version for you

(http://i50.tinypic.com/20ixr11.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
Thank you!! love it *0*
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
It seems it was a Hungarian dress. She still looked good but gone are the decollecte. She wore a kind of Tudor neckline here.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 11, 2010, 03:08:17 PM
Amazing one!!! Do you know when was it made? It is commonly dated in 1898
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2010, 03:12:46 PM
i dont know. The date on the newspaper says 1895 and the paper was from 1895 so...i think that s the accurate date or circa.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 11, 2010, 03:17:54 PM
I saw that date (1898) on a portrait of her through the time, that pic appeared on the center with
the date 1898 below it, surely it comes from 1890's
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 11, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
me bad, it says 1896 not 1895 and in the picture posted by Rani says 1898...no im confused :-S
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 11, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
I think its from a ball Sissi attended in 1986, when the Tsar Nicholas II and the Tsarina Alexandra went to Vienna for a State visit. Its was said, she rival even the youngest pretty girl there. She also wear along her black ballgown, black pearls and black diamonds.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
It does not look like the dress worn to meet Tsar Nicolas II & Alexandra. The drawings showed Elisabeth wore a much lighter looking gown that that heavy Hungarian outfit. I suspect it was from the anniversary celebration of their marriage.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Elske on January 12, 2010, 04:47:38 AM
This is a retouched photo from Strelisky, Budapest 1898. The real photo is made by Ludwig Angerer.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 12, 2010, 09:47:05 AM
yeah! no wonder why she had that hairdo she ued in early 1870s!.

Here a beautiful painting. Looks moderno to me, i d like to know whos that artist who made it to credit him/her

(http://i48.tinypic.com/20a9mch.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 12, 2010, 12:47:15 PM
Yes, and the dress looks like a bustle one, the original that she used on her coronation was still
of crinoline
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 12, 2010, 12:50:51 PM
Talking about "artist licenses" here a caricature about her. I dont understand the joke, tho

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2lc0apw.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 12, 2010, 01:18:57 PM

Now,. afraid that im reposting, another portrait

(http://i46.tinypic.com/n14fv4.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 12, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
Don't worry!!!
Pretty one of a young Empress Sissi!!! :-D
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 12, 2010, 02:56:52 PM
Well if i remember correctly it was posted in the old thread but in colour... So it's lovely in b&w too
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carisbrooke on January 13, 2010, 01:50:44 AM
   Ref post #795, punch cartoon.

  "Come back to erin mavoureen" was a popular irish love song of the time, written by poet & composer Charlotte Alington Barnard. The words of the song are not too difficult to find on the net, though I too can't see how they relate to the picture. 
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Greenowl on January 13, 2010, 04:06:28 AM
  Ref post #795, punch cartoon.

  "Come back to erin mavoureen" was a popular irish love song of the time, written by poet & composer Charlotte Alington Barnard. The words of the song are not too difficult to find on the net, though I too can't see how they relate to the picture.  

The Empress loved Ireland as she found the terrain even more exciting for hunting than that in England. She would have gone there far more often but for the fact that Franz-Joseph warned her that as a representative of a Catholic realm she would have to be careful not to appear to take sides in the English-Irish disputes, especially as home rule was being debated at that time, and not to offend Queen Victoria and the British parliament, who did not approve of her visiting Ireland.

The Irish were enchanced by the Empress and very disappointed when she stopped travelling to Ireland and returned to England instead, hence the text of the Punch cartoon, which  rather aptly describes the situation. I'm surprised that people failed to see how it related to the picture!
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carisbrooke on January 13, 2010, 06:50:44 AM
   Many thanks for the explanation greenowl, I for one would never have made the connection.   
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 13, 2010, 08:53:59 AM
Thank for the explanation! i never knew that Elisabeth had passion for Ireland.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 13, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
Yes, I agree totally, thank you so much for the explanation, I didn't understand the meaning of that
pic!!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2010, 03:00:31 PM
Sisi was a rebel, so the Hungarians was such a magnet to her. The Irish was rebelling under English rule, The Empress found it romantic.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 17, 2010, 10:46:07 AM
Some clothes of Sissi

(http://i36.tinypic.com/o6adeo.jpg)

(http://i38.tinypic.com/fm778n.jpg)

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 17, 2010, 12:17:52 PM
Amazing dresses Katenka!! Are they on a museum on Vienna?
About the first one the hairdo isn't the real one that the empress used, anyways is pretty
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 18, 2010, 12:18:09 PM
The wigh of the second id funny!! I don't know if Sissi's hair was naturally curly or that it looked
curly for her hairdos always using braids...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 18, 2010, 02:40:57 PM
Two monuments in Hungary, I hope that they haven't been posted before
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Esztergom-Erzsebet_statue.JPG&filetimestamp=20070317110254 (http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Esztergom-Erzsebet_statue.JPG&filetimestamp=20070317110254)
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzs%C3%A9bet_kir%C3%A1lyn%C3%A9_eml%C3%A9kt%C3%A1bl%C3%A1ja_r%C3%B3la_elnevezett_kil%C3%A1t%C3%B3n%C3%A1l.JPG&filetimestamp=20090103185543 (http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Erzs%C3%A9bet_kir%C3%A1lyn%C3%A9_eml%C3%A9kt%C3%A1bl%C3%A1ja_r%C3%B3la_elnevezett_kil%C3%A1t%C3%B3n%C3%A1l.JPG&filetimestamp=20090103185543)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 18, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
New for me

(http://i49.tinypic.com/33y020m.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 19, 2010, 11:51:57 AM
Is a pretty image of the Empress, Katenka!!!
I've never seen the photo which it is based
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2010, 06:15:05 PM
It was the "sick session" taken when she looked puffy.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 20, 2010, 02:46:48 PM
Elisabeth and her beloved dogs

(http://i45.tinypic.com/21bkapc.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/fcme1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 20, 2010, 06:56:33 PM
Im not sure but its probably. I just remind seen one from that same session with Nene.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on January 21, 2010, 03:29:43 AM
(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/elwithchild.jpg)

Who is the child along side Elisabeth? Gisela or Valerie? I am not sure.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 21, 2010, 08:57:27 AM
according her clothes, M. Valerie.

Other of mother and daughter


(http://i47.tinypic.com/2my408l.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 21, 2010, 10:56:18 AM
I've never seen the first big, I like that it was based on her famous session, I don't know if she
really went for a walk with her baby that day.
The second is totally unknown for me, I like it!! ;-)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2010, 12:04:56 PM
I have a book that deals with all the images that Sisi took and the images that artist used from them. A very informative book I got from Vienna. A must for any Sisi fans interested in how her images was sold to the press.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Princess Susan on January 22, 2010, 04:39:38 AM
according her clothes, M. Valerie.

Other of mother and daughter


(http://i47.tinypic.com/2my408l.jpg)

Thank you!! I thought, it might have been her, but was not sure.:-S
Your picture of MV and Elisabeth is one part of one large family portrait. Maybe I'll post it later...
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Svetabel on January 24, 2010, 03:41:35 AM
Dear posters,

After cleaning up the Habsburg Forum and all those endless topics about Empress Elisabeth, I should say that numerous doubling the pictures (posting the same 2-3-4 and more times) looks AWFULLY boring and annoying. Had I been a newbie I'd given up looking through the Elisabeth topics even at the Elisabeth with her family Part I.

I keep in mind that most posters are not experts and certainly want to share their finds here, but I also keep in mind that our Forum was not created yesterday and contains TONS of info and pictures. And many others ( before some newbies) came up here, spent here their time posting info and IMAGES, shared their knowledge with us. Such work MUST be appreciated and respected. When someone posts a previously posted image (just the same seen before) I cannot help thinking that a poster just didn't have patience to read older topics...It would not take forever to read them, believe me.

I don't discourage any poster to post pictures, I ask you all to be a bit more patient and attentive, though I know that I sound boring, but ACTUALLY boring would be the Forum with the numerous pages with the same and the same and the same photos.

So, PLEASE:
1. Don't double the pictures, look through the old posts and topics. Post the same picture if the old one was watermarked for example, and you have a clear version, or if the old one was smaller or blurry...
2. Don't quote large pictures. This request is as old as our Alexander Palace Forum, Forum Admin many times explained why we should not quote large photos. It makes a page slower for download and this is a problem for posters who don't have a speedy I-net connection. Especially it looks annoying when someone quotes larger-than-life picture just to say something exciting as "Wow, great piccie! Never seen" and such like.
If you do need to quote a large picture for a discussion when while quoting you can change by yourself img brackets into url brackets inside the quote.

Thanks to all for understanding.

Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
I heard that Empress Elisabeth did not like opals, but in the Hapsburg museum vault there are some pieces attraubuted to her that were opals.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on January 27, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
Some moving pictures of the old emperor after the death of the Empress ... Learner's disappearance, he said "nobody knows how much I loved that woman."

Franz Josef walking along with the faithful Catherine Schratt :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/catherineschratt-1.jpg)

The Emperor working alone with a portrait of Sisi :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/alone.jpg)

Franz Josef bent over his desk, engaged in his daily duty:

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/works.jpg)

The old emperor "visited" by the ghosts of parents tragically lost :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/fantomes.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
Wow!!! All of them are totally new for me, mainly the first and the last. Thank you sooo much!! :-O
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2010, 03:03:41 PM
the last one is amazing! the image of Sissi  in that one remind me this one

Elisabeth, Angel of Mercy

(http://i47.tinypic.com/sq351k.jpg)



Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2010, 01:01:30 PM
Wittelsbach by madness and tragedies. Habsburgs with a lot of tragedies, i think that both were
unhappy as the same way
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2010, 03:51:53 PM
Some exceptions like Elisabeth of Bavaria & Albert I of Belgium.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Greenowl on January 28, 2010, 06:20:47 PM
Some exceptions like Elisabeth of Bavaria & Albert I of Belgium.

I don't know about that, as King Albert I also died suddenly and tragically in a mountaineering accident while climbing alone on the Roche du Vieux Bon Dieu at Marche-les-Dames, in the Ardennes region of Belgium . His death shocked the world and he was deeply mourned, both in Belgium and abroad. As he was an expert climber, some questioned the official version of his death, although the rumors of murder have been pretty much dismissed by most historians. After that tragedy Queen Elisabeth lived on to see her daughter-in-law Queen Astrid die in a motoring accident in a car driven by her son......
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 01:35:53 PM
The family together
(http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/HabsburgsFamily.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 01:46:15 PM
Two about surely cour ceremonies...
(is she in Hungary? the ladies are wearing hungarian dresses)

(http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/HungarianLady-1.jpg)

Other

(http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/SissiLadies-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:48:17 PM
Sissi's cocaine box....
http://www.bda.at/image/tn450x_689717456.jpg (http://www.bda.at/image/tn450x_689717456.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
This is specially beautiful and unknown for me...
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2355907440094285158tNohLG (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2355907440094285158tNohLG)

This is scary...
http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2519505770094285158zWsUfc (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2519505770094285158zWsUfc)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 29, 2010, 03:16:56 PM
Tjhe second one was taken in italy for what remember and have been posted before here.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: KarlandZita on February 05, 2010, 08:41:49 AM
What remains...

The death mask of the Empress :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/mortu.jpg)

Monument to her memory at the heart of Vienna :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/momnt.jpg)

Statue erected in Salzburg, in the park of the castle :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Hasburg%20Family/stat.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 05, 2010, 08:51:24 AM
Elisabeth Through the years

(http://i47.tinypic.com/okweo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2010, 06:10:57 PM
Maybe there should be a stature of Sisi in Munich & Possehofen too ?
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on February 06, 2010, 05:27:48 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/9iyb9v.jpg)

That´s the only thing I found. I mean there was a statue in München.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: erzsi on February 06, 2010, 10:34:44 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/9iyb9v.jpg)

That´s the only thing I found. I mean there was a statue in München.

No, on the Place was the Prinz Max Palais, the Birthplace of Elisabeth ;)
On the plate you can read: Commercial central bank of Bavaria-built from Carl Sattler(?) between 1948-1952 on the place of the former Prince Max Palais.
Built 1835... I can´t read the last words sorry :(
And under the Plate you can read the Name and Birthdate of Sisi :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Rani on February 06, 2010, 10:48:09 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/9iyb9v.jpg)

That´s the only thing I found. I mean there was a statue in München.

No, on the Place was the Prinz Max Palais, the Birthplace of Elisabeth ;)
On the plate you can read: Commercial central bank of Bavaria-built from Carl Sattler(?) between 1948-1952 on the place of the former Prince Max Palais.
Built 1835... I can´t read the last words sorry :(
And under the Plate you can read the Name and Birthdate of Sisi :)

I know. But the question was if there is a statue in Munich. And the only memory of her is this. But I heard that there is a statue anywhere. :)
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 06, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Unfortunately there isn't any statue of Elisabeth in Munich.
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2010, 03:00:34 PM
Yes. There should be one there (maybe in the park) and near the Starnberg-see (where her beloved Possi is located).
Title: Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 06, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
Yes. There should be one there (maybe in the park) and near the Starnberg-see (where her beloved Possi is located).

No.