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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Tsarskoe Selo Palaces => Topic started by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 03:35:20 PM

Title: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 03:35:20 PM
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Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 03:40:59 PM
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Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Reco on May 21, 2005, 03:43:10 PM
In the up right corner in the last photo, we can see the roof of the Alexander Palace
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: amedeo on May 22, 2005, 08:02:22 AM
Very nice photos, I've seen them in a french book about St. Petersburg.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: BobG on May 22, 2005, 10:22:45 AM
Reco & Amedeo,
Thank you for posting the beautiful aerial shots of the palaces.  You can really get a sense of their size and beauty in these shots.
Please continue to post such great photos.
Bob G
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on May 22, 2005, 03:22:18 PM
It must be a comparatively new French book Amedeo because these are recently installed gates - opposite the Golden Gates and before Cameron's Chinese Bridge.   They effectively close off the Alexander from the Catherine Park.   Also the white arch is a recent structure.   I wonder what is its significance?

In an exhibition hall in the Catherine Palace on 21st June this year, Yves Saint Laurent will open an exhibition devoted to many of his creations through the decades.   It will be sited there for one month.

tsaria  

Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Tsarfan on June 01, 2005, 02:16:11 PM
So . . . was this the original color of the Catherine Palace?  Any idea why it's painted blue today?

Is that paving or dirt in the courtyard?  (It certainly seems the color of dirt.)  I have always been struck by how elaborate palaces often opened right onto bare dirt in the periods in which they were in use.  One sees it in picture after picture of palaces all over Europe.  I wonder why paving would not have been used around such magnificent buildings, if for no other reason than to keep dust and dirt out of their expensive interiors.  
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Margarita Markovna on June 26, 2005, 11:39:28 AM
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I feel so dumb, but which palace is which? The big one is the Catherina Palace and what are the other two, smaller ones?
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: TJ Jones on June 26, 2005, 02:31:32 PM
The large one is the Catherine Palace. The other two smaller buildings arent palaces. I don't know what the correct name for them would be.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: BobG on June 26, 2005, 03:24:30 PM
I think you could call them service or administration buildings.
BobG
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 03, 2005, 12:07:08 PM
The curve of single-storey buildings to the left of the Golden Gates contain the Amber Masters' Workshop.   These are followed by buildings which are used for administration.   The arc of buildings to the right of the Golden Gates are not occupied.   The interiors are in a very poor condition.   However, the buildings beyond now form a small hotel.

tsaria
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Vladimir_V. on July 03, 2005, 01:17:29 PM
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 the buildings beyond now form a small hotel.

Now it`s a small hotel with a good restaurant and free toilets. :)
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 03, 2005, 03:10:32 PM
Reco's photograph above (12 May) 12 shows the garden facade of the Catherine Palace with the famous Palace Cathedral domes on the right and Cameron Gallery on the left.

In the foreground there is a building on the edge of the Great Pond.   The Grotto was built by Rastrelli.   This is where Catherine the Great frequently took morning coffee  in the company of her cavaliers and frauleins.   For years the Grotto has lain empty.  Now 'restored', it houses an exciting new exhibition.

This is an exhibition of flowers and early floral prints.    The emphasis is on roses.   Florists are employed in the Grotto. It is possible to visit the exhibition having first selected flowers which will be transformed into a bouquet and ready for uplift before departing.

tsaria  
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 03, 2005, 09:38:37 PM
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The large one is the Catherine Palace. The other two smaller buildings arent palaces. I don't know what the correct name for them would be.


Is the Alexander Palace in this picture?
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2005, 07:10:22 AM
On 'Reply 12' it is possible to see the roofs of the Alexander Palace.   It is behind and slightly left of the Golden Domes of the Cathedral of the Catherine Palace.

tsaria
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: BobAtchison on July 04, 2005, 09:20:35 AM
those pictures are GREAT....
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 04, 2005, 03:10:36 PM
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On 'Reply 12' it is possible to see the roofs of the Alexander Palace.   It is behind and slightly left of the Golden Domes of the Cathedral of the Catherine Palace.

tsaria


I see it! I see it!
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: hikaru on July 04, 2005, 03:24:48 PM
I have an wonderful news - in near future outside sculptures of the  Big Old Palace will be gold - plated (gilded)  too.
(As it was at Elizabeth 's times)
Our Dear President Mr. Putin gave to the Palace the necessary amount of gold as present.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2005, 05:14:16 PM
How interesting Hikaru.   I had not heard about this.  

Isn't it amazing that what was considered by Catherine the Great to be too ostentatious - she had the gilding removed and the caryatids painted the colour we see today -   two hundred and fifty years, various wars, three revolutions, civil war, famine and genocide later, President Putin, with thousands on the breadline across Russia, decides to reinstate them to the state which was too over the top for that remarkable woman who lived life truly 'over the top'.

tsaria
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: divine_grace on July 04, 2005, 06:11:55 PM
Nicely put tsaria. I think instead of President Putin giving those gold to regild the statues, they should rather fix up the Alexander Palace and all of those other historic palaces to attract tourist which will draw in income to Russia. Really, why they don't think of this. :(
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 04, 2005, 06:30:01 PM
Welcome to the Forum, Divine_Grace.  

What an excellent idea.   Wouldn't it be wonderful if Divine grace would intervene and President Putin would awaken to the fact that it is the Alexander Palace which could make best use of his 'pot of gold'.

tsaria
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: hikaru on July 04, 2005, 10:30:52 PM
This gold could be used only for statues.
I think that this is very good.
Renewed 3 Anticameras of Big Palace are wonderful too.

There are quite a lot of new things ( I mean exhibits) in Alexandr palace .
So it is not so bad.
When the part of Alexandr Palace was renewed , the model was the Alexandr Times Rooms not the rooms of
the Last Nicholas's time.
As for tourist 's income - the schedule of the tourists is not enough to see Ekaterina and Alexandr palaces together, so the main attraction will be Ekaterina Palace.

Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: hikaru on July 05, 2005, 04:17:36 AM
I think that the point in the financing of the Ekaterine Palace and Alexandr Palace is the information.
We ( in Leningrad schools) were  raised in the Hermitage and Pushkin . We had a lot ot excursions , we had the school and University lessons in Palaces ( For Example, We had our East History Lessons in the University in the Library of Nicholas in Hermitage) etc.
We knew a lot about Ekaterina Palace and Hermitage. But we knew nothing about Alexandr Palace.
Our Dear President gave the gold only because he remembered what his teacher said them
once time, that the Big Palace was gilded outside.
Maybe if an good interesting book about AP will be issued, somebody of Our Monopolists could give money.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: ChristineM on July 05, 2005, 11:16:26 AM
According to what I have recently heard from Tsarskoe Selo Museums, the number of visitors to the Alexander Palace has increased considerably this year.

This can only be for the good of the long term future of the Alexander Palace.

tsaria
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 15, 2005, 07:08:58 AM
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According to what I have recently heard from Tsarskoe Selo Museums, the number of visitors to the Alexander Palace has increased considerably this year.

This can only be for the good of the long term future of the Alexander Palace.

tsaria


Yes, I believe that this is true. I can see a difference between when I visited last year and this year, it seems a lot more people are coming to see the AP. Maybe it is getting more publicity now. They have just came out with a new book with photos and text about the AP, it was literally published last month, but has not been translated into any other language but Russian yet. It looks very interesting.

I think that once the ownership of the building itself is transferred over to the TS museum, and more of it is restored, and other areas of it are opened to the public, the AP may become even more popular than the CP. The staff think that this will happen some time soon, but no one seems to know exactly when it will happen. Hopefully "soon" means months and not years!
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 15, 2005, 05:25:50 PM
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They have just came out with a new book with photos and text about the AP, it was literally published last month, but has not been translated into any other language but Russian yet. It looks very interesting.




Hi Helen! :)

Well, i´ve been so amazed with the above! It must have been published right after we left Petersburg, how unlucky!
Would you please tell us more about that new book??

Many thanks in advance!

Antonio.

Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 16, 2005, 08:00:24 AM
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Hi Helen! :)

Well, i´ve been so amazed with the above! It must have been published right after we left Petersburg, how unlucky!
Would you please tell us more about that new book??

Many thanks in advance!

Antonio.



Hi Antonio,

This book literally just came out last month. The lady who sold it to me at the AP told me that they only have the Russian version right now. It is a soft cover, about 35-37 pages long, with lots of illustrations, it is simliar to other books like this, liek the one for CP, but less thick. The text was written by Larisa Bardovskaya who is one of the directors at the TS State Museum.

Sooner or later this book will be translated I am sure (in fact I am going to ask them if I can do it for them), and the next time you come here you may be able to get it in English, and possibly some other languages too. But they move kind of slow, so it may be a few years!  ;)

Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 16, 2005, 08:05:10 AM
P.S. I asked again to clarify when they think AP is going to be transferred over to TS Museum so that they can open other wings, and seems that "soon" is more like several years rather than several months!  :(
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 16, 2005, 01:45:48 PM
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Hi Antonio,

This book literally just came out last month. The lady who sold it to me at the AP told me that they only have the Russian version right now. It is a soft cover, about 35-37 pages long, with lots of illustrations, it is simliar to other books like this, liek the one for CP, but less thick. The text was written by Larisa Bardovskaya who is one of the directors at the TS State Museum.

Sooner or later this book will be translated I am sure (in fact I am going to ask them if I can do it for them), and the next time you come here you may be able to get it in English, and possibly some other languages too. But they move kind of slow, so it may be a few years!  ;)



Thanks so much for your kind response, Helen.

Have you noticed that the roof right above the Marble Hall has collapsed? I was so shocked when i saw it. It´s very easy to see when you approach the palace from the garden side. The ballaustrade is partially destroyed as well. So shameful. I cannot think of any other word to describe the present estate of the palace. And it will remain so as long as arbitrariness reigns in some of the russian museums.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: NAAOTMA on August 16, 2005, 06:36:38 PM
Antonio, has there been any attempt to at least keep the water out of the roof area that collapsed? A tarp or plastic, or anything? Or is that hoping for too much. So sorry to hear the news your post contained.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 17, 2005, 11:27:06 AM
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Antonio, has there been any attempt to at least keep the water out of the roof area that collapsed? A tarp or plastic, or anything? Or is that hoping for too much. So sorry to hear the news your post contained.



Dear Melissa,

I´m afraid i cannot tell for sure. Besides, that part of the palace just looked so totally neglected.

Let us hope they are repairing it now...

Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 19, 2005, 07:17:56 AM
This may be of some consollation, but according to one of the curators at the AP whom I spoke to yesterday, the roof has not collapsed, but is only in its usual state of disrepair, which is not by any means a recent development. So it seems that things are not really better, nor worse, with the palace than they have been for some years now...
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: NAAOTMA on August 21, 2005, 07:47:29 PM
Helen, it will be wonderful to see all of your pictures. You have been able to spend alot of real time in places that we all are very very interested in, and your keeping in touch while you are actually there is wonderful too. Thank you again!

And let's hope that the optimistic report about the roof being no worse than usual is correct, though it sounds hard to believe.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 19, 2005, 07:44:05 PM
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Helen, it will be wonderful to see all of your pictures. You have been able to spend alot of real time in places that we all are very very interested in, and your keeping in touch while you are actually there is wonderful too. Thank you again!

And let's hope that the optimistic report about the roof being no worse than usual is correct, though it sounds hard to believe.


I just wanted to follow up again about the roof. I did ask several more AP curators about the roof, and none of them had any idea of what I was talking about when I mentioned the roof collapsing. They even seemed to think that it was a very strange question. The thing is that the AP is still functioning as an office space for the Russian army - I have seen them go in and out of the central entrance (where the oval hall is). So the building, although it looks pretty shabby on the outside is in good working order. The roof has not caved in - I can guarantee that  :). The AP is fine, and it is scheduled to be transferred over to the TS Museum-Reserve, after which it will be restored. This is official and will happen in the next few years.  So yes, it seems that we will witness the AP restored soon.

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Have you noticed that the roof right above the Marble Hall has collapsed?...  It´s very easy to see when you approach the palace from the garden side. The ballaustrade is partially destroyed as well.

Antonio, did you mean you saw it from here?
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8670/aproof1mm.jpg) To be honest it didn't look to me like the roof collapsed anywhere at all. Maybe something happened while you were there and it was since fixed.  ???

Also, and I mentioned this on another thread already, but will mention it here as well, I created a travelogue of my trip with all kinds of photos of the AP, the CP, the parks, etc., as well as some of Tsarskoe Selo in general. So those interested to see all this stuff in great detail (yes, I photographed the AP from all sides, angles  and distances ;)!) will be able to do it soon as a webpage on APTM.


Helen
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Anya on October 01, 2005, 05:25:59 PM
More pictures, from July 2005:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/Anya_Kiki/2604e7b6.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/Anya_Kiki/61bcc9db.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/Anya_Kiki/5ce52b61.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/Anya_Kiki/palace3.jpg)
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Laura Mabee on October 03, 2005, 09:17:33 PM
Anya!
You've given this board such a visual treat! Thank you so much!  :)
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Tania+ on October 31, 2005, 09:13:16 PM
Anya,

Your pictures are all very beautiful. Do you have any more from your trip?

Thank you so very much for sharing. Your an excellent photographer !

Tatiana
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Lucien on November 09, 2005, 03:17:08 PM
http://www.infoservices.com/stpete/pushkin/bolshoy_dvorets.htm

for an interactive map:
http://www.infoservices.com/stpete/pushkin/
Title: Hotel Ekaterina at the Catherine Palace
Post by: Alan on June 10, 2011, 04:45:30 AM
Has anybody ever managed to contact the hotel ?
I had planned to stay there in 2012 and sent preliminary e-mails to both addresses given on their website.
The first message was returned by the server as "unable to deliver". This took several days to reach that point and I then sent to the other address but they have not replied and it has yet to be returned (I am expecting the same end result as the first one).
Does anybody know anything more about all this?
Alan
Title: Re: Hotel Ekaterina at the Catherine Palace
Post by: Alexander1917 on June 13, 2011, 06:02:18 PM
Has anybody ever managed to contact the hotel ?
I had planned to stay there in 2012 and sent preliminary e-mails to both addresses given on their website.
The first message was returned by the server as "unable to deliver". This took several days to reach that point and I then sent to the other address but they have not replied and it has yet to be returned (I am expecting the same end result as the first one).
Does anybody know anything more about all this?
Alan

I stayed there in may 2009
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Nemos on October 24, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
После Ораниенбаума "Ночной Дозор", около Старой Голландии.
After Oranienbaum "Night Watch", near the Old Dutch.

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,135/id,7047/
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Svetabel on August 28, 2012, 07:07:12 AM
Restored domes of the chapel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/P1020143.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/P1020143.jpg)
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Nemos on February 25, 2017, 02:48:55 AM
https://youtu.be/I7umH_FfhCU (https://youtu.be/I7umH_FfhCU)
Световое шоу. Павильон Эрмитаж. Екатерининский парк. 2017 февраль.
Light show. The Hermitage Pavilion. Catherine Park. 2017 Feb.
Title: Re: Catherine Palace, Tsarskoe Selo, today
Post by: Nemos on February 25, 2017, 02:55:18 AM
https://youtu.be/OAj_C9vKdi8 (https://youtu.be/OAj_C9vKdi8)
Окончание светового шоу в парке. 2017 февраль.
The end of the light show in the Park. 2017 Feb.