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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Imperial Family => Topic started by: samcr on June 06, 2005, 05:26:29 AM
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Xenia Andreevna
(http://img248.echo.cx/img248/5989/xina3eq.th.jpg) (http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=xina3eq.jpg)
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Once upon a time…there was a thread on the Romanov weddings. It had been lost for whatever reasons and now I’d like to revive it with almost all the photos. At that old thread I had posted some pictures of mine and other members posted their pictures as well, and now I gather them in this new topic. Please anyone who knows that the picture must be credited to him/her give me a sign : ). I credited those ones I knew for sure their provenance.
Wedding of the Alexander III (1845-93), and Empress Maria Fedorovna (Princess Dagmar of Denmark) (1866, St Petersburg ):
(http://www.picatom.com/y/%201%20III-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/y/%201%20III-1.html)
(http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20III-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20III-1.html)
Painting by M.Zichy (I scanned it in 2 parts as the image is very large)
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GDss Maria Alexandrovna (1854-1920), and Duke Alfred of Edinburough, (1874, St Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/MarieAlfred.jpg)
The source is ILN
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GD Petr Nikolayevitch (1864-1931), and GDss Militza Nikolaeyvna (Princess Militza of Monrenegro) (1889, St Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__1889.jpg)
Sketch by M.Zichy
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Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovitch (1857-1905), and GDss Elizaveta Fedorovna (1884, St Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/sergeiella.jpg)
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GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna (1865-1927), (spouse of GD Konstantin K.) in her wedgown (1884, St Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_wedgown-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_wedgown.jpg)
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Wedding of GDss Xenia Alexandrovna (1875-1960), and GD Alexander Mikhailovitch (1894,Peterhof)
(http://www.picatom.com/y/%20_1-50-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/y/%20_1-50.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_-4.jpg)
2 sketches by M.Zichy
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_--.jpg)
Sketch by Brozh
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Emperor Nicholas II (1868-1918), and Empress Alexandra Fedorovna (Princess Alix of Hesse) (1894, St Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/Nicholas2.jpg)
Painting by Repin
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GD Georgiy Mikhailovicth (1863-1919), and GDss Maria Georgievna (Princess Marie of Greece) (1900, at Corfu)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-1.jpg)
GDss Elena Vladimirovna (1882-1957), and Prince Nicolaos of Greece (1902, Peterhof)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_wedgown-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceNicolaos_spouse_wedday.jpg)
Courtesy of brnbq
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GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger (1890-1958), and Prince Wilhelm of Sweden (1908, Peterhof)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/-_1_-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/-_1_.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/-_wedgown-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/-_wedgown.jpg)
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Princess Irina Alexandrovna (1895-1970), and Prince Felix Yusupov (1914, S.Petersburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-3.jpg)
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GDss Olga Alexandrovna (1882-1960), and Colonel Nikolai Kulikovskiy (1916, Kiev)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-.jpg)
The photo had been posted by me a few years ago and till now keeps on wandering all over I-net
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__.jpg)
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Countess Nadezhda de Torby (daughter of GD Mikhail Mikhailovitch) (1896-1963) and Marquess George of Milford Haven (1916, London)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/MarquisGeorgeofMilford-Haven_spouse.jpg)
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Princess Nadezhda Petrovna (1898-1988), and Prince Nikolai Orlov (1917, the Crimea)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_-2.jpg)
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Princess Xenia Georgievna (1903-65), and Mr. William Leeds (1921)
(http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20__1921-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20__1921-1.html)
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Princess Nina Georgievna (1901-74), and Prince Pavel Chavchavadze (1922, London)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__1922.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_-3.jpg)
The source is : http://www.vam.ac.uk/
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Prince Nikita Alexandrovitch (1900-74), and Countess Maria Vorontzova-Dashkova (1922, Paris)
(http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20_%20%20__1922-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/y/%20%20_%20%20__1922-1.html)
Courtesy of Golitsin
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Prince Fedor Alexandrovitch (1898-1968), and Princess Irina Paley (1923, Paris)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/___1923--.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/___1923-.jpg)
2 photos are courtesy of Alexandre64
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/___1923.jpg)
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Princess Maria Kyrillovna (1907-51) and Prince Karl of Leiningen (1925, Coburg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/MariaKir.jpg)
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GD Dmitriy Pavlovitch (1891-1942), and Audrey Emery (1926, Biarritz)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/-_wedgown-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__--.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__--1.jpg)
This photo courtesy of Ashanti01
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-2.jpg)
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Prince Dmitriy Alexandrovitch (1901-80) and Countess Marina Golenitscheva-Kutuzova (1931, Paris)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_1__1931-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_1__1931.jpg)
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Princess Ekaterina Ioannovna (1915-2007), and Marquess Rugero Farrace di Villaforesta (1937, Rome)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_1937_--.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_1937_-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/_1937_.jpg)
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Princess Kira Kirillovna (1909-67), and Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia (1938, the Netherlands, Haus Doorn)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday_.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday--.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday--1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday-.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday.jpg)
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Princess Xenia Andreevna (1919-2000), and Calhoun Ancrum (1945, London)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__1945.jpg)
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Prince Nicolai Romanovitch (1922-) and Countess Sveva della Gerardesca (1952, Cannes)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/___1952.jpg)
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GDss Olga Alexandrovna (1882-1960), and Colonel Nikolai Kulikovskiy (1916, Kiev)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-.jpg)
Bit bigger:
(http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Tina_1812/Romanovs/Olga%20A/th_pol6olgaweddaynikolaikulikovsky.jpg) (http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Tina_1812/Romanovs/Olga%20A/pol6olgaweddaynikolaikulikovsky.jpg) (http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Tina_1812/Romanovs/Olga%20A/th_olgaweddingnherweddingdaywithNikola.jpg) (http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc331/Tina_1812/Romanovs/Olga%20A/olgaweddingnherweddingdaywithNikola.jpg)
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Since I had a PM request to post some of Xenia Leeds's wedding, I thought this was perhaps the best place to post them:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/weddings/lastscanxeniasigningregisterclose.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/weddings/lastscanxenialeedsclose.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/weddings/lastscanxenialeeds2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/weddings/image580Xeniaweds.gif)
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Thanks so much, GDssElla ! : ) The first three are new to me.
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You're very welcome, Svetabel. I can't believe I can have any pictures you haven't seen! LOL These came from an old magazine covering the wedding. The last is just a crop of the couple from the well-known group photo. The wedding received a fair amount of coverage in the US and European magazines--moreso than her sister's wedding. That one was harder to come by photos of and they're really just the ones that are already posted.
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Grand Duchess Kira...I believe she wore her grandmother's wedding dress for this..
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_kira_wedding.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gdkira_wedding2.jpg)
Grand Duchess Constantine 1884
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/1884weddingGDKonstantine.jpg)
Grand Duchess Xenia
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_Xenia.jpg)
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Grand Duchess Kira...I believe she wore her grandmother's wedding dress for this..
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_kira_wedding.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_kira_wedding.jpg)
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I had bought a postcard of this photo when it was on ebay some years ago. I always liked it because of the relative informality of the shot as compared to the more formal group photos later.
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/hpqscan0001-2-1.jpg)
Princess Nadejda Petrovna
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/hpqscan0208-1.jpg)
Prince Feodor, Princess Irina Paley, Prince Rostislav, Prince Vassili, Count Kleinmichel, General Alexander Efimovitch and Pierre Hottinguer
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/hpqscan0225-1.jpg)
Princess Natalie Paley, Lucien Lelong and Prince Micheal Feodorovitch
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Princess Kira Kirillovna (1909-67), and Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia (1938, the Netherlands, Haus Doorn)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/PrinceLouisFerdinand_wedday-.jpg)
Another shot from that same session...in here you can see Princess Tatiana and Princess Vera Constantinovna behind Princess Cecile & Prince Louis Ferdinand
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/1938kyraweddinggroup001-1.jpg)
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I love her dress it looks so long (which is most of the appeal for me), however I imagine if one didn't have help it might be a bit difficult to walk in.
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Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna of Russia 1925
(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/47001/2657013480102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2657013480102753164nnNRoK)
(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/38494/2369078630102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2369078630102753164NrKhTz)
Grand Duchess Helen of Russia & Prince Nicholas of Greece wedding 1902
(http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/46274/2606815420102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2606815420102753164YvoMgb)
Alexandra, drawn by Grand Duchess Elizabeth for her grandmother Queen Victoria
(http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/5404/2440509820102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2440509820102753164EmOTEy)
(http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/46746/2214537830102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2214537830102753164mbAMdX)
1908 - Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna & Prince Wilhelm of Sweden
(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/46776/2678187450102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2678187450102753164lLmvXa)
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Is there somewhere a wedding photo of Marie Pavlovna, Grand Duchess Vladimirovich (Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
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Chevalier was sent by Queen Victoria to provide her with multiple detailed drawings of the wedding--the only one of her children's wedding she did not attend. He came back with dozens of group and individual sketches--including most of the pre-eminent women of the event and gave detailed listings of their jewels, clothing, etc...
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Wedding of Elisabeth Fyodorovna and Gd Serge Alexandrovich
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9893/ellwed.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/ellwed.jpg/)
Funny that the groom looks like Gd Konstantin Konstantinovich!!.
Ps: You can see Gdss Maria Pavlovna behind the groom
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Wedding of Elisabeth Fyodorovna and Gd Serge Alexandrovich
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9893/ellwed.jpg][img width=450 height=338]http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9893/ellwed.jpg (http://[img width=450 height=338)
Funny that the groom looks like Gd Konstantin Konstantinovich!!.
Ps: You can see Gdss Maria Pavlovna behind the groom
The face of the groom with the bridal crown is not seen. Actually I'd say the bridal pair are GD Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna.
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You mean the gent who s puttting the crown in serge s head? I think its Gd Vladimir Alexandrovich and right behind him is Maria Pavlovna
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3602/dsljgh.jpg) (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/dsljgh.jpg/)
I have no doubt that the bride is Gdss Elisabeth Fyodorovna. Its her face
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3602/dsljgh.jpg) (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/dsljgh.jpg/)
Accuracy in every face in this kind of illustration was very weird tho
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GDss Olga Alexandrovna (1882-1960), and Colonel Nikolai Kulikovskiy (1916, Kiev)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/__-.jpg
Another from the same sitting
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1193/zoom3ms7.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/zoom3ms7.jpg/)
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Wedding of Elisabeth Fyodorovna and Gd Serge Alexandrovich
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9893/ellwed.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/ellwed.jpg/)
Funny that the groom looks like Gd Konstantin Konstantinovich!!.
Ps: You can see Gdss Maria Pavlovna behind the groom
I still can't believe that's GD Sergei's wedding.
Here's the only one of Sergei-Elizaveta's wedding I've ever seen (except that sketch in their bridal clothes)
(http://www.picatom.com/1r/ellawed1_1-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/ellawed1_1-1.html)
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Wedding of GD Konstantin K. and Princess Elisabeth of Saxe-Altenburg, 1884, St-Petersbourg
(http://www.picatom.com/1r/mavrakrwed1-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1r/mavrakrwed1-1.html)
by K.Brozh
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Interesting that Marva did have a photo taken with her wedding dress and jewels while Ella (the most beautiful bride) did not.
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Interesting that Marva did have a photo taken with her wedding dress and jewels while Ella (the most beautiful bride) did not.
Interesting that it's 5 or 6 time when you call her MaRva. So it's not a mistype or a mistake as you always readily admit - it's how you pronounce her nickname.
Her nickname was MaVra. And once again I remind that was not called right into her face.
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Amazing photos all of you!! :o From a Russian site, perhaps not new at all but I didn't see it on this thread
Wedding of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/olena.jpg)
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That is the second wedding and not the first one.
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It's too bad there are no photos or illustrations of the service for Olga Alexandrovna and Nicholas Kulikovsky, but I bet there are a lot of reasons for that: it was wartime, it wasn't an "important" wedding (he was a commoner), the church was apparently quite dark.
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It's too bad there are no photos or illustrations of the service for Olga Alexandrovna and Nicholas Kulikovsky, but I bet there are a lot of reasons for that: it was wartime, it wasn't an "important" wedding (he was a commoner), the church was apparently quite dark.
The main reason is that taking photos was forbidden inside the church.
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I think they have no such problems with the Romanovs who got married in France.
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not even sketches? How sad!
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Sketches were provided for by newspaper artists.
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I have never liked the traditional Russian court dress, with the long sleeves hanging off the arms. But a part from that some of these women got married in some magnificent gowns and dresses even up to a decade after the revolution. Even with no country to call their own they could still put on a good wedding.
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Maria Alexandrovna, Duchess of Coburg saved her own wedding dress. Her granddaughters Marie & Kyra were both married in that dress.
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(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/6208425371_dfe5121605_b.jpg)
Wedding of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich and Grand Duchess Olga Feodorovna. Download for full size.
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Yes Olga Feodorovna was the new name for Cecile of Baden. Her granddaughter was named after her and became Crown Princess of Germany.
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Oh good gawd, a Russian Royal Wedding on tv would be something to see. I just cry thinking about the possibilities, and the fact that it will never happen.
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Yes...Poor George will one day have to marry and Grand Duchess Maria will want a good show for her son.
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Princess Irina Alexandrovna and Prince Felix Yusuopov
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/felixirinaweedingphoto.jpg)
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His uniform looked pretty plain and unimpressive unlike his father's.
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His uniform looked pretty plain and unimpressive unlike his father's.
I seem to recall (from some years ago) that this attire was referred to as the "Uniform of the Nobility," or words to that effect. Apparently a somewhat multi-purpose outfit. Regards, AP.
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His uniform looked pretty plain and unimpressive unlike his father's.
I seem to recall (from some years ago) that this attire was referred to as the "Uniform of the Nobility," or words to that effect. Apparently a somewhat multi-purpose outfit. Regards, AP.
I remember reading that prior to the wedding, there was some anxious discussion over what he would wear, since he was not a military man and thus had no military uniform.
It's a lovely photo, in terms of the physical attributes and beautiful clothing of the bridal couple, but Felix Yusupov, quite frankly, makes my skin crawl.
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I think Felix might try on the bridal gown himself some nights. He was proud of his beauty (cross dress) and included it in her memoirs.
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1938
GD Kira
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/ladyisab/scan0001.jpg)
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/ladyisab/wedding.jpg)
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Any idea who the other people are in these pictures, apart from Louis Ferdinand?
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Grand Duke Dmitri P is writing something
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Most likely Dimitri signed as witness in the signing of the wedding certificate.
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Princess Nadejda Petrovna
One more picture of Nadejda's wedding:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Nadez.jpg)
In the front row:Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaievich-younger,Prince Nikolai Orlov,Princess Nadejda,Prince Vladimir Orlov-father of the groom
Standing:Grand Duchess Anastasia,Grand Duke Peter,Grand Duchess Militza and Princess Olga Orlova-mother of the groom...
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Lovely wedding picture. Where was this wedding held ?
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In Crimea...
http://virtual.crimea.ua/ru/sightseeing/crimea/sightseeing/all/full/78.html
This Harax Palace,once owned by GD Georgy Michailovich,where the wedding was held,was very near famous Dulber or Djulber Palace which was built by Grand Duke Peter Nicholaievich...
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It was before the Revolution ? The Romanovs were stuck there and saved by the British.
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The wedding was on 10th of April in 1917 which was just less than a month after Nicholas II abdicated(on 15th of March same year),so I guess that the wedding was planed and as they were in Crimea maybe they were still unaware of how big the consequences will be...They were rescued only two years later in 1919!
During all that time Grand Duke Peter and his family lived in Djulber palace and some time after all members of Imperial family were relocated to Djulber until their departure from Russia on "Marlborough" and "Lord Nelson"...
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Thanks for the info. I guess this wedding did not make the social rounds because it was in the war. Always thought this branch of the family was underwritten in books, while the others were overwritten. Love to see more about this family (other than Nicholasha that is).
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Could someone please explain why Grand Duchess Olga Alexanderovna was not married in the Imperial Regalia of cherry size diamond earrings, ermine cloak and diamond clasp, wedding crown etc??
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Presumably Roman and Marina missed Nadejda's wedding because they were away at the war (Roman as a junior officer of Engineers and Marina nursing).
Ann
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Maybe because Olga was not marrying a foreign prince. Had Olga Nichoievna agreed to marry Karol of Romania. She would have been married in that whole regalia.
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Maybe because Olga was not marrying a foreign prince. Had Olga Nichoievna agreed to marry Karol of Romania. She would have been married in that whole regalia.
Eric,it was a question about Olga Alexandrovna who was 11 years older than Carol of Romania...
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Olga Nichoievna
Btw,who is Olga Nichoievna? ;)
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Olga Nicholievna, daughter of Tsar Nicholas II and not Olga Alexandrovna, who was his sister. They were supposed to be engaged on the Tsar's trip to Romania. Both mothers (Alicky & Missy) were not up for it.
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@Eric
it's either Nikolaevna or Nicholaevna not Nicholievna. besides why bring her into discussion? the question was about Olga Alexandrovna.
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Could someone please explain why Grand Duchess Olga Alexanderovna was not married in the Imperial Regalia of cherry size diamond earrings, ermine cloak and diamond clasp, wedding crown etc??
The first time, she was. There was an account from someone who attended that ceremony - it's too bad I can't remember who. They described her dress and cloak, jewels, etc, and IIRC, were not very charitable about the physical appearance of either the bride or the groom. : P
The second time, it was during the First World War and was a very quiet wedding. Wartime and regalia don't mix, not to mention the fact that she was marrying a "commoner".
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@Eric
it's either Nikolaevna or Nicholaevna not Nicholievna. besides why bring her into discussion? the question was about Olga Alexandrovna.
She was Nichoievna by Eric ;)
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Olga could have been the last grand duchess a foreign prince since Marie married Prince Vilhelm of Sweden. However she refused Karol, and that is the end of it.
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@Eric
whenever I read your posts I wonder whether you understand what other posters wrote... again: why suddenly bring Olga N. to discussion when the question was about Olga A.?
I wonder who designed Irina Alexandrovna & Olga Alexandrovna's wedding dresses.
sorry if this has been asked before
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Just found this Wedding Ceremonial from Olga A's wedding to Peter of Oldenburg, here:
http://www.romanovrussia.com/Grand_Duchess_Olga_Alexandrovna_Royal_Wedding.html
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If there was a Russian Royal wedding today and foreign royals and dignitaries were invited, would they all have to stand up throughout the entire service or do you think there would be a concession for the people who aren't used to standing throughout an entire church service?
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Senior members of the family (Like Prince Philip for instance...who was baptized at a Greek Orthodox).
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If I know Prince Philip he would insist on standing!
Ann
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Interesting question about Olga Alexandrovna, I've tried to search even a single sketch of her wedding with her first husband and nothing appears! By the way, thanks for the information and the photo of the wedding ceremonial historyfan! Her sister Xenia also didn't marry a foreign prince and we know apair of sketches from the event, why not about Olga (even only one)?
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You're quite welcome. I don't know why there is nothing showing Olga A's first wedding. Even if everything was destroyed because it was annulled (which is unlikely given the fact that the annulment took place during WWI and I'm sure everyone was rather too busy to worry about that!), the marriage lasted fifteen years. Something should have survived.
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Agreed. I think there will bestuff start flowing out from the Russian archives.
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Interesting question about Olga Alexandrovna, I've tried to search even a single sketch of her wedding with her first husband and nothing appears! By the way, thanks for the information and the photo of the wedding ceremonial historyfan! Her sister Xenia also didn't marry a foreign prince and we know apair of sketches from the event, why not about Olga (even only one)?
Her wedding dress (price: 50.000 ruble) and various documents such as the papers concerning her dowry are kept in Moscou. Obviously there were not taken photos of every Imperial bride - I have never seen wedding photos of Nicholas II or of Grand Duke Serge.
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For a project on Royal weddings I am searching for poignant/interesting/funny/tragic (i.e.: not "too normal") documents concerning the Russian weddings - costumes, dresses, family laws, dowry and such. If anybody knows where to find such information: please let me know! Thanks! Thomas
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I think the first book you should read is "The Grand Duchesses" . It has many interesting tidbits on Romanov brides and their weddings.
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I found this recently in a Russian site, it was labeled as Maria Pavlovna's (the younger) wedding dress, it is still beautiful:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/MPwedddress.jpg)
Source: Meine-Schweiz
Any idea if any other Romanov wedding dress survived until today? This is the first that I see...
...Obviously there were not taken photos of every Imperial bride - I have never seen wedding photos of Nicholas II or of Grand Duke Serge.
Yes, there are not, but there are even a few portraits. I found a bit surprising that about GD Olga Alexandrovna there isn't even a single portrait, but there are several photos of her second (morganatic) marriage.
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The last Romanov wedding dress to be seen was Marie Alexandrovna (Duchess of Edinburgh & Coburg). It was last worn by her granddaughter Kira. I think it should be in the Hohenzollern collection.
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Wedding of Marie Alexandrovna and Alfred of Edinburgh
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_Alfredmariewedding.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/Alfredmariewedding.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_mariealfredwedding.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/mariealfredwedding.jpg)
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In St. Petersburg and the only one the Queen did not attend...
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Is there somewhere a wedding photo of Marie Pavlovna, Grand Duchess Vladimirovich (Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
Only a sketch of their wedding.
(http://www.picatom.com/26/rf-12-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/26/rf-12.html)
GD Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna.
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Thanks Svetabel!
Great to see this.
Does it look as if the bride is wearing the nuptial crown and the tiara, but not the earrings and the huge clasp?
Miek
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Maria Paulovna would look good in those jewels.
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Is there somewhere a wedding photo of Marie Pavlovna, Grand Duchess Vladimirovich (Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
Only a sketch of their wedding.
GD Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna.
It's a bit odd that the bride isn't dressed in the formal silver court dress most Romanov weddings had. Did she have two ceremonies? I would have thought if so, then the orthodox one had the court dress. I wonder if the artist has been given a description only to base the drawing from.
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Is there somewhere a wedding photo of Marie Pavlovna, Grand Duchess Vladimirovich (Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
Only a sketch of their wedding.
GD Vladimir and Maria Pavlovna.
It's a bit odd that the bride isn't dressed in the formal silver court dress most Romanov weddings had. Did she have two ceremonies? I would have thought if so, then the orthodox one had the court dress. I wonder if the artist has been given a description only to base the drawing from.
The description under the sketch says that's the Orthodox ceremony...I've re-read the newspaper article about their Orthodox wedding and - yes - the formal dress of the bride was exactly like in the picture.
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I think Miechen was also married in her own faith too since she refused to convert at the time of her wedding.
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Does anyone have portraits of other members of the imperial family that got married. Like the past Czars and Czarinas, Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna's wedding to her first husband, and other members of the imperial family that aren't reigning?
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Haven't saw Olga's first wedding in photos. Just the engagement photos...
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Does anyone have portraits of other members of the imperial family that got married. Like the past Czars and Czarinas, Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna's wedding to her first husband, and other members of the imperial family that aren't reigning?
Here is a portrait of the wedding of Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8168191863_cb2f47bd93_b.jpg)
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I think I saw Alix of Wales somewhere and Dagmar. Too small to see.
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I think I saw Alix of Wales somewhere and Dagmar. Too small to see.
Download it for full size--you might be able to see better ;)
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Ok. Thanks.
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I've posted these at Marie Feodorovna's thread but I think that they should to be here too for an easier finding:
Found these on a Russian site (abbisinka's livejournal), both are labeled as Alexander and Marie's wedding:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/bodadagmar.jpg)
Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/bodadagmar.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/bodaimperial.jpg)
Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/bodaimperial.jpg)
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Some new pics that I found about Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra Feodorovna's wedding
****The credits for all the images are for the italian site tipsimages.it****
Alexandra arriving for her wedding to the Winter Palace
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixsArrival.jpg)
Click here for bigger!! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixsArrival.jpg)
The newly married Empress kisses the icon of Virgin Mary
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixKissesTheVirgin.jpg)
The crowns are placed on the heads of the bride and the groom
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixCrowning.jpg)
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As in the post devoted to Marie Feodorovna wedding, I posted the images of Empress Alexandra's wedding here for an easier finding for all the people of the Forum.
Set number two:
As in the previous post ****The credits for all the images are for the italian site tipsimages.it****
The bride and groom walk together
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixWedding.jpg)
Two more pics of the ceremony
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixWed2.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/AlixWedd.jpg)
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The last print was used quite a few times.
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The archive seems to be a gathering spot of images from the Illustrated London News, Sphere, Tatler and other magazines owned by the same publisher.
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Yup and also from other photo archives such as rue des images, Mary evans, etc etc
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Mary Evans doesn't have their 'own' photos either--they have old magazine illustrations, postcards, CDVs, etc....I don't know if rue des images works the same way. All of their images are from public sources.
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They still have rights on their images ? I mean on Mary Evans.
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I don't know how it works. Most of the photos are out of copyright based on age but they would have the rights to the particular copy of the image they have--just like I would on my copy of that same issue or postcard or cdv? They have some VERY common images--I can't imagine they hold the copyright on the image itself.
Mary Evans has images from ILN, The Graphic, The Sphere, The Sketch, The Bystander, The Tatler, The Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News, The Illustrated War News and Britannia and Eve. If I own a particular photo that is from one of those magazines but also widely published elsewhere, and the image is more than 75 years old, I don't think that they can claim exclusivity. They can license them to people though but, couldn't I or someone else with a large royal image collection? Many of the recent photo books are put together at least in part from personal collections. Of course, Mary Evans can give you high-quality, high-res images.
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For what i ve seen rue des images got their own images and also exclusive (modern) colorized versions. And only works with publishers (its a private page)
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Thanks for the explanation. I used quite a few of their images in my picture books. Glad to know they are out of copyright.
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That's my understanding anyway. Their images are way to common to be exclusive. I'm no expert though. We have a thread on this if anyone wants to read further on it. Marlene has explained quite a bit in the past.
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Indeed. Quite a few English Authors used ILN images in their books as illustration without paying any fee.
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Actually she wore her mother's -- the cloth of silver dress belonged to Victoria Melita, the Grand Duchess Kirill.
Grand Duchess Kira...I believe she wore her grandmother's wedding dress for this..
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_kira_wedding.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gdkira_wedding2.jpg)
Grand Duchess Constantine 1884
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/1884weddingGDKonstantine.jpg)
Grand Duchess Xenia
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/Russian%20Court%20Dress/gd_Xenia.jpg)
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Who is the young man with Kira in the topmost picture as Louis Ferdinand looks on?
Ann
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Looking other images of the wedding and comparing uniforms, i think it might be August Wilhelm
(http://i.imgur.com/9HrSjw9.jpg)
Or one of his cousins, but i think its mos probable August W.
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1263/scan0001ie.jpg)
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8079/99073276.png)
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Not so young then, if it was August Wilhelm, but from the uniform I would go for one of the cousins.
Ann
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Wedding of GDss Anastasia Mikhailovna, to Hereditary Prince of Mecklenbourg-Schwerin.1879
The Orthodox ceremony
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/1879_zps8b472b5b.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/1879_zps8b472b5b.jpg)
The Protestant ceremony
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/41104350437044B043C044F043D043D044B04390_zpsa4de195b.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/weddings/41104350437044B043C044F043D043D044B04390_zpsa4de195b.jpg)
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Thank you Svetabel both of these are new for me.
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Russian or German Newspaper prints ?
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Russian or German Newspaper prints ?
Russian press.
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In what buildings did these two ceremonies take place? I ask this because the picture of the Protestant ceremony shows the congregation standing, and I had assumed that, like English churches, German Protestant churches had pews.
Ann
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In what buildings did these two ceremonies take place? I ask this because the picture of the Protestant ceremony shows the congregation standing, and I had assumed that, like English churches, German Protestant churches had pews.
Ann
The Orthodox ceremony was at the Chapel of the Winter Palace, and the Protestant one was somewhere in the Palace too, need to dig up what room exactly.
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One of the meeting rooms I think.
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In what buildings did these two ceremonies take place? I ask this because the picture of the Protestant ceremony shows the congregation standing, and I had assumed that, like English churches, German Protestant churches had pews.
Ann
The Orthodox ceremony was at the Chapel of the Winter Palace, and the Protestant one was somewhere in the Palace too, need to dig up what room exactly.
Perhaps this is an appropriate place to comment upon a phrase which reoccurs here and in various other threads on the AP Forum on the wedding service: “marriage vows”.
Such as: “they were true to their marriage vows”, “he / she never violated their marriage vows”; “facing each other and exchanging their vows”, etc.
Well, it may come as a bit of a surprise to the members of the Forum who are not Orthodox Christians (the majority, no doubt), but there are no vows in the marriage service of the Orthodox Church. Most of those concepts and ideas are expressed in the Scriptural readings and the prayers during the service itself, but the bride and groom do not pronounce any vows to each other.
Actually, they are silent, except for when they reply to the two questions posed by the priest to the groom and bride in turn:
1) “Do you intend, without compulsion, to wed the person here before you?”
Response: “Yes.”
2) “Have you promised yourself to any other person?”
Response: “No”.
And that is all they say during the entire service.
On various other threads Georgiy of NZ has already mentioned various aspects of his own Orthodox wedding when it pertained to the topic at hand.
The full text of the Orthodox Christian marriage service can be found here in Isabel Hapgood’s translation:
https://archive.org/details/ServiceBookOfHolyOrthodoxChurchByHapgood
Several explanations of the beautiful symbolism of the Orthodox wedding service can be found on line. Here is one such site:
http://www.kurskroot.com/orthodox_wedding.html
As you can see, the Orthodox wedding service differs significantly from those in the West — whether Roman Catholic or Protestant. And it reflects the difference between the Eastern Christian concept of marriage and that in the Western tradition.
In the West, from Roman times, marriage has been viewed as an agreement, or contract of sorts, between a man and a woman who themselves act as the agents that perform or solemnize the wedding itself. For many centuries the presence of a minister of the Church was not even a formal requirement.
The wedding ceremony may take place in a church, and with a priest or minister present to bless the event, but it is still the couple themselves who are perceived to be the active contractors of the marriage. Hence the vows to each other.
For a better elucidation of this point, see the following sites:
Roman Catholic canon law on contracting a marriage:
http://www.catholicdoors.com/misc/marriage/canonlaw.htm
Some other Christian views on marriage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_marriage
Specifically, on the Roman Catholic understanding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_marriage
“Thus, for most of Church history in the Western or Latin Church, marriage has been celebrated (as in traditions such as the Roman and Judaic) without clergy and was done according to local customs. While in the East the priest was and is seen as the minister of the sacrament, in the West the two parties to the marriage, if baptized, were the ministers, and their concordant word was sufficient proof of the existence of a sacramental marriage.
“… The Catholic Church also has requirements before Catholics can be considered validly married in the eyes of the Church. A valid Catholic marriage results from four elements: (1) the spouses are free to marry; (2) they freely exchange their consent; (3) in consenting to marry, they have the intention to marry for life, to be faithful to one another and be open to children; and (4) their consent is given in the canonical form, i.e., in the presence of two witnesses and before a properly authorized church minister. Exceptions to the last requirement must be approved by church authority.
On the Eastern Orthodox Church and marriage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_Eastern_Orthodox_Church
“Unlike Western Christianity, Eastern Christians do not consider the sacramental aspect of the marriage to be conferred by the couple themselves. Rather, the marriage is conferred by the action of the Holy Spirit acting through the priest. Furthermore, no one besides a bishop or priest—not even a deacon—may perform the Sacred Mystery.”
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One reason for mentioning this matter of there being no vows in the Orthodox Church’s marriage service is to point out how ridiculous some authors of this period have been to claim that Tsar Nicholas II was supposedly such a dolt that he had to be prompted during his own wedding service since he had forgotten the text of the vows.
The same can be said of many other accounts of the Emperor and Empress’ wedding which contain attributes of a Western marriage service. It simply didn’t happen that way.
Inok Nikolai
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Wedding of Alexander III. and Maria Fyodorovna
https://84.img.avito.st/1280x960/911316584.jpg
From THIS (https://www.avito.ru/voronezh/knigi_i_zhurnaly/tsarskaya_semya._seriya_svyatye._semeynaya_kollektsiya_364395402)book
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Not new but in XL size: Grand Duchess Elisabeth Mavrikievna in wedding dress. <<Click on the image for a bigger view>>
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/Mavra_bride_RC_zpsvovranc4.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/Mavra_bride_RC_zpsvovranc4.jpg.html)
*****Credits for The Royal Collection****
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Wedding of Marie Alexandrovna and Alfred of Edinburgh
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_Alfredmariewedding.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/VelkokneznaMaria/media/various/Alfredmariewedding.jpg.html)
Slightly different, by Nicholas Chevalier (Anglican wedding ceremony), 1874. <<Click on the image for a larger view>>
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/NicholasChevalier_zps9xspb4xv.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/NicholasChevalier_zps9xspb4xv.jpg.html)
****Credits: The Royal Collection*****
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Maria P and Wilhelm
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/1908-maria-pavlovna-the-4_zpspuik7bpq.jpeg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/1908-maria-pavlovna-the-4_zpspuik7bpq.jpeg.html)
Kira and Louis Ferdinand
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/de6ef0ec55a10e8cdc8d1883398db620_zpsjl8xnrnb.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/de6ef0ec55a10e8cdc8d1883398db620_zpsjl8xnrnb.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/1938%20kira_zps611htx2w.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/1938%20kira_zps611htx2w.jpg.html)
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Today I found this photo at pinterest labeled as "Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna Romanova of Russia's wedding veil", this comes from an exhibition at the Ballerup Museum in Denmark (some info here (http://www.kvorning.dk/?tag=ballerup-kommune)). If it is actually her wedding veil (I see it a bit short... ??) it must be from her first wedding because on her second wedding, according to the photos, she wore a tulle veil.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/OA%20wedd_zpskqskomx3.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/OA%20wedd_zpskqskomx3.jpg.html)
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Hmmm interesting. Could it be some kind of part of her first wedding veil?
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/olga%20bride_zpssgj7pmm4.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/olga%20bride_zpssgj7pmm4.jpg.html) (http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/olga%20bride2_zps1hsnd665.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/olga%20bride2_zps1hsnd665.jpg.html)
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That first photo is photoshopped! It is very well done so it fooled me the first time I saw it.
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I remember that someone shared with me a tiny photo of Grand Duchess Olga in her wedding dress from a biography... the problem is that the photo was really small and it was impossible to see the details. She was wearing a Western style dress instead of the traditional wedding dress wore by Romanov brides. I supposed that if the veil is actually of Olga, it couldn't be of the second wedding because it was made of tulle. I don't know if there are descriptions of her first wedding dress and veil??
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ohhh photoshop? ;(
Well that's a real one from her book. As Yelena said it's quite small and blurry.
She only describes Xenia's veil in the book.
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/joibkb/o_zpsa1nxksnt.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/joibkb/media/o_zpsa1nxksnt.jpg.html)
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I always wondere if that photo above is from "wedding day" but only after the ceremony? It seems unbecoming that sister of the Tsar should not have a big state wedding, wearing the wedding regalia all Grand Duchesses would!
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I think it is after the ceremony.
Ann