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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Tsarskoe Selo Palaces => Topic started by: Joanna on April 27, 2004, 08:44:20 PM

Title: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Joanna on April 27, 2004, 08:44:20 PM
There is also on Vaida's Ebay a postcard of the train station of Krasnoye Selo c 1916 which I have never seen. There are many photographs in different books of Nicholas attending the manuveurs at Krasnoye Selo and reference to the villa that was built for the Imperial family's use when attending the manuveurs. I understand Krasnoye Selo is now a research and institute town but has anyone visited there? Is the train station still extent? Did the Imperial buildings survive? Are there any photographs of the Imperial villa and interiors?


Joanna
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 27, 2004, 09:41:28 PM
Hello Joanna!

I´ve never been in Krasnoe but a russian historian told me there was nothing left to see after the wwii...
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Scott on June 25, 2005, 11:45:12 PM
Has anyone been to Krasnoie Selo?  If so, is there anything of an "Imperial" nature left to see?
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Forum Admin on June 26, 2005, 10:59:44 AM
It is properly spelled "Krasnoie Selo".  
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Forum Admin on July 03, 2005, 10:01:52 PM
No he changed the post after what I said.
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on July 05, 2005, 08:39:22 PM
It was a military camp (Vanguard camp). This is the house of the commander.
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3621/krasnoeselovanguardcamphouseof2.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on July 05, 2005, 08:42:04 PM
This is one of the Wooden barracks.
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/330/krasnoeselovanguardcampwoodenb.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on July 05, 2005, 08:44:18 PM
 Railroad station in 2003.
(http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5725/krasnoeselovokzal14092003railr.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Scott on July 05, 2005, 10:37:47 PM
Yes, I know it was a military camp, and I can now spell it.

In any event, do any of Imperial buildings, parade fields and/or etc. remain?

Are the buildings in the black and white photos still present?
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Mike on July 08, 2005, 02:42:49 AM
Vitually nothing has been left of the Krasnoye Selo's imperial military past. Almost all structures - palaces, residences, barracks etc. - were wooden, and none of them remained after WWII.
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: ChristineM on July 08, 2005, 04:32:41 AM
Driving through Krasnoie Selo today, there is no hint of its past.   It is a typical town of concrete flats.  

I know the Pulkova Observatory is on what were once called the Duderhof Hills.   I have tried to find the Duderhof Lake, but, so far, have not been successful.

There is no reason for anyone to visit Kranoie Selo today apart from being able to say you've been there.

tsaria
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Mike on July 08, 2005, 10:21:10 AM
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I have tried to find the Duderhof Lake

Tsaria,
Duderhof Hills and Pulkovo Hills (where the observatory stands) are two different places.

Duderhof Lake is in the southernmost part of Krasnoye Selo, close to Mozhayskaya rail station which is the next one after Krasnoye Selo station. Actually, if you ride by train between the two stations you see the lake on your right.

There is some evidence that several wooden buildings of the former Vanguard Camp might still be there, on the lake's western side. The problem is, the place seems to be a military zone used by two officer schools for training purposes, and therefore off limits. But it's well worth trying.  

Here's an old detailed map  (http://www.krasnosel.spb.ru/krasnoeselo/history/oldmap.jpg)of Krasnoye Selo showing the lake and military camps around it. The current Mozhayskaya rail station is named Duderhof on the map.
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: ChristineM on July 08, 2005, 03:03:23 PM
Mike, thanks a million.   Is the map from the 1914 Baedeker?   I would love to own that book, but it is SO expensive now.   I borrow it from the university library and pour over it.   If it is not the Baedeker, could you please tell me where the map is from.  

Which railway line is Duderhof on?   Is it all built up as it is with Ligova?   That really did disappoint me.   I was in the railway station without realising it and only as the train pulled out did I take a second glance at the name.   It is so easy to forget how the suburbs have spread.

Thanks again.

tsaria
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Mike on July 08, 2005, 04:33:07 PM
The map is from a Russian site, I've no idea where have they got it. It doesn't seem like one from the Baedeker.

Mozhayskaya station (former Duderhof) is on the Gatchina line from Baltiysky Station in SPb. The station building alone is worth a visit: it's the original one built in 1890. The area isn't built up as Krasnoye Selo itself. You may find a few images  here (http://history.gatchina.ru/arhiv/dudergof1.htm).
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: ChristineM on July 09, 2005, 10:28:28 AM
Very many thanks Mike.   That is a wonderful site - I will need help to translate it, but I do see the Duderhof Lake and it does indeed look very lovely.

I know that railway-line.   Indeed, it is the same one with the station for Ligova.   We stopped at a place called Marienburg (a couple of stops before Gatchina) and walked, what felt like, many miles.   It was well worth it  because we spent the weekend at a dacha near the banks of a river where wonderful natural springs spouted ie-cold, delicious water through the sand.  Everyone bathed in those springs too.   It was heavenly there.  I can still smell the perfume of the peonies (my favourite flower).

Thanks for bringing back the memories.

tsaria
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Mike on July 09, 2005, 10:45:50 AM
The station building in Marienburg (upper photo), although much smaller than in Mozhayskaya/Duderhof (lower photo), was built at the same time and in the same "Russian peasant" style favored by Alexander III:
(http://www.railphoto.ru/zd/marienbyrg.jpg)
(http://www.railphoto.ru/zd/mojayskaya.jpg)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: ChristineM on July 09, 2005, 12:44:22 PM
Memories...   I just adore the Russian countryside.   My passion is for the last Imperial Family, the Alexander Palace and Feodorovsky Sobor, but I feel so content and such peace in the Russian countryside.   There you leave time behind.  

You're making me feel 'homesick' Mikes, but thanks - thank you so much.

tsaria
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Platon on August 02, 2005, 12:38:34 PM
hi guys,

this may sound stupid (in this day & age) but for some reason I can't insert pic.'s I have of 3 palace's in Krasnoie Selo;

Imperial
Michael Nicholas
Vladimir Alexander

so if anyone is interested I could post them personally via email....
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: divine_grace on March 07, 2006, 12:48:30 PM
Does anyone have any pictures of the Krasnoye Selo villa that the imperial family used while attending maneouvres? I've only seen pics of the fields but never the villa. Please do share. Thanks.
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on March 09, 2006, 12:18:11 AM
(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7859/imagesnyplkrasnoeselo10a6bb.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on March 09, 2006, 12:21:21 AM
Imperial Dining Room

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5250/imagesnyplkrasnoeselo10b2ls.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on March 09, 2006, 12:23:08 AM
Vladimir Palace

(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/5811/imagesnyplkrasnoeselo92sv.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Reco on March 09, 2006, 12:24:54 AM
Michael N Palace near the Imperial Dining Room

(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3200/imagesnyplkrasnoeselo68fx.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)(http://)

Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2007, 09:26:15 PM
Views of the Imperial Dining Building c1902 during the visit of the President of France:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2501069961
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2501070018
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2501070042

Joanna
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 09, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
All those pics are fabulous and overwhelming!It gives quite an idea of how charming Russia was for strangers...

Where is Krasnoye selo face to face with Tsarskoye Selo?

Vassili
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Joanna on November 27, 2007, 04:04:32 PM
Vassili, Krasnoye Selo is to the west of Tsarskoye Selo and then is Ropsha.

A photograph of A. Nevsky Church in Krasnoye Selo. Does anyone know the year it was built? And the location in relation to the other imperial buildings?
http://days.pravoslavie.ru/Images/im2755.htm

Joanna
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Tsarfan on April 03, 2008, 04:49:28 PM
All those pics are fabulous and overwhelming!  It gives quite an idea of how charming Russia was for strangers...

Yes, Russia was  charming for strangers . . . until they found out (as did the Duchess of Marlborough) that the secret police dogged one's every step and submitted daily reports on every place a foreign visitor went and everyone with whom they met.  I think the modern analogy would be a visit to communist China  -- a lot of exotic things to see, and companions both seen and unseen. 
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Joanna on July 21, 2008, 04:02:00 PM
A treasure of photographs c1900s on Krasnoe Selo along with historical articles:
Duderhof Station:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/_ph/3/2/889286027.jpg
Krasnoe Selo Station:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/_ph/3/2/933523258.jpg
Link to full list:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/photo/3

And of today, Imperial Palace that survived:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/_ph/1/2/925873259.jpg
Link to full list:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/photo/1

The site to explore:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/

Joanna

Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Svetabel on January 05, 2011, 09:31:22 AM

And of today, Imperial Palace that survived:
http://krasnoeselo.clan.su/_ph/1/2/925873259.jpg




That's not exactly the Imperial Palace, but Palace of GD Konstantin Nikolaevitch, former of GD Mikhail Pavlovitch.
Title: Re: Krasnoye Selo
Post by: Joanna on February 26, 2018, 10:12:26 AM
At the picnic where a Grand Duke was sick in the bushes where his nephew was drinking coffee and smoking with others!

Krasnoe Selo, the summer military camp, south of Saint Petersburg

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/02/krasnoe-selos-modest-wooden-palaces.html

Joanna