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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Other Palaces => Topic started by: JM on April 29, 2004, 04:47:31 PM

Title: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: JM on April 29, 2004, 04:47:31 PM
Somebody please answer Thomas' question.

I really want to know.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Mike on June 29, 2004, 11:11:01 AM
Abastumani was a popular mountain resort during the Soviet period. Now independent Georgia is undergoing a continuing political unrest and economic distress, and the whole area seems far from secure... They still maintain some facilities - see their supposedly English website (http://www.sanatorium.ge/next-e.htm). It makes no mention of Abastumani's Romanovs-related history but shows the beautiful scenery.

The place is well-known in the astrophysical scientific community due to a nearby observatory founded by GD George shortly before his death.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: felix on March 09, 2005, 11:04:11 AM
I cant recall the name of his home in the Caucasus, A.T.I think are the first letters of the two words. What ever happen to it and is it still in Russia?
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: jfkhaos on March 09, 2005, 11:33:20 AM
George lived at Abas Tuman in the Caucasus Mountains, where the air was supposed to be more beneficial to him due to his tubercular condition.  He also had the first observatory (I think) built on the estate with his own money.  I haven't been able to find a picture of the estate, however.  Is anyone aware if there are any pictures floating around out there?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: felix on March 09, 2005, 11:42:54 AM
I have some,but no scanner! It was very beautiful.Do you know if its still in Russia?
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: jfkhaos on March 09, 2005, 11:54:05 AM
From what I have been able to find, Abas Tuman is in the modern country of Georgia, near the capital of Tblisi.  Not sure if it still standing...
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: felix on March 09, 2005, 12:15:44 PM
Thanks for that, I have been wondering about it for along time. Wish I had scanner, the pictures are very beautiful.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: jda on March 10, 2005, 09:46:19 AM
According to the 1914 edition of Baedeker's Russia , Abbas-Tuman had two Grand-ducal villas which burned down in 1913.  There also was a chapel standing where George Alexandrovich died in 1899 but I doubt that  it is still there either.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: felix on March 10, 2005, 10:20:09 AM
Thats very sad information, thanks.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: jfkhaos on March 10, 2005, 01:58:40 PM
Felix, if you access the Other Palaces group of threads, and scroll a little bit further down, you will see a thread called Abas Tumani, which has some additional information on the estate.  I just found the thread myself.   :D
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Daniel Briere on March 10, 2005, 10:53:58 PM
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There also was a chapel standing where George Alexandrovich died in 1899 but I doubt that  it is still there either.


I found this painting of a chapel in Abas Tuman by the famous Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, dated 1900:
http://www.agniart.ru/eng/item-20266~Art-prints-on-canvas~Nesterov-Mikhail~Abastuman-Art-print-on-canvas

It might well be the chapel built where GD George died.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: amedeo on March 15, 2005, 08:43:57 AM
I don't  think it is the chapel, becouse it is too small.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: amedeo on April 26, 2005, 02:08:05 AM
Has anyone photos of this palace?
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on May 09, 2005, 06:11:30 AM
Palace of GD Georgiy in Abbas-Tuman

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/abbastuman.jpg)
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 09, 2005, 07:27:27 PM
Map of Abastumani Geogia
(http://img213.echo.cx/img213/4760/map2abastumanigeogia9mh.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 09, 2005, 07:32:09 PM
(http://img98.echo.cx/img98/3548/spalace7rl.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Reco on June 09, 2005, 07:33:03 PM
(http://img98.echo.cx/img98/8241/sofrussia0om.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Richard_Schweitzer on June 19, 2005, 04:00:16 PM
In the time of G.D. George, Abbas Tuman was associated with tuberculosis isolation, and I believe still is.

In addition to the "Palace" of George, there is also the Dacha of his sister G.D, Xenia, who was very fond of George and would go there to visit. I have pictures of its current state, including of Xenia's Dacha. I am not sure I could scan them to post, but I might try some day.

In addition, there is a beautiful (in the ROC sense) Chappel that I think was dedicated by G.D George. we have a picture of the dedication tablet (and some of the Chappel ).

We also had a picture of the remains of the memorial monument at the site where George died. The Monument was pilferd (destroyed) to create one for a local politico in the Soviet day.

It has also been reported, and seems correct that G.D. George did marry (probably a Dane) who bore twin children (a boy and a girl who were raised in Dennmark and within the circle of the Danish House) born just after his death. It does not appear that the girl ("Alexi" now dec'd) had any children, but the son (educated in England and lost during the Dunkirk rescues) has one surviving son.
As was the custom, I believe they took the family name of "Alexandrov." That survivor was at the interment ceremonies for the Imperial Family, with the Romanov family. So, I don't think he is totally unknown.

Even today, Abbas Tuman is probaly not a healthy place to sojourn.


R. Richard Schweitzer


Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Richard_Schweitzer on June 19, 2005, 04:08:25 PM
See Abbastumani in this thread.

The buildings are still standing in the late1990's

There is a chappel, but not on the site of G's death.

RRS

Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Penny_Wilson on June 20, 2005, 11:50:33 AM
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It has also been reported, and seems correct that G.D. George did marry (probably a Dane) who bore twin children (a boy and a girl who were raised in Dennmark and within the circle of the Danish House) born just after his death. It does not appear that the girl ("Alexi" now dec'd) had any children, but the son (educated in England and lost during the Dunkirk rescues) has one surviving son.
As was the custom, I believe they took the family name of "Alexandrov." That survivor was at the interment ceremonies for the Imperial Family, with the Romanov family. So, I don't think he is totally unknown.

R. Richard Schweitzer



No, he certainly isn't totally unknown.  Thank you, Richard, for independent confirmation of information I had been given by a Romanov family member, some of which I posted elsewhere on this forum in a thread devoted to GD George.

Penny
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Richard_Schweitzer on June 20, 2005, 01:24:50 PM
Penny -

Nice to hear from you aagain - after so long.

I think the gentleman has recently moved to Southern France. He is better connected in Denmark and Belgium.
He had an American mother.

Dick
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: dp5486 on March 02, 2006, 10:15:14 AM
Who owned Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's estate at the time of the Revolution? Did he bequeath it to one of his siblings after his death?

Also did Xenia still own her dacha near her brother at the time of the Revolution?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Joanna on March 06, 2007, 08:08:27 PM
View of GD George's estate c1899:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2101060350
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2101060616
Transfer of the coffin from the palace to the Alexander Nevsky Church
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2101060765
GD Alexander and GD Xenia's estate:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2101060515

From the album of GD George Alexandrovich:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2101059257

Joanna
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: BobG on March 07, 2007, 08:07:08 AM
In Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's photo album (so nicely linked to us by Joanna) there is a photo identified as:

"Portrait of Anna Dosaeva."

Could anyone please identify for me her connection with Grand Dike George A?  I am unfamiliar with the name.

BobG
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 14, 2007, 01:20:42 PM
I've searched a little bit however I didi not foun much on the place's histoy,could someone help me?
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: hikaru on March 28, 2007, 03:34:24 AM
De Baedeker of 1902
Abbas-Touman(1297) dans une vallee encaissee, est un endroit tres frequente pour ses eaux thermales sulfureauses et qui a des bains bien organises.
Il y a quelques villas grand -ducales. Une chapelle s'y eleve a l'endroit ou le grand-duc heritier Georges Alexandrovitch mourut en 1899. Plus loin, la Vorota Otcharovaniia
("porte de L'Enchantement").
Saison: due 1er juin au 15 sept.
Taxe des baigneurs, 3r
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on November 12, 2009, 04:35:56 AM
In Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's photo album (so nicely linked to us by Joanna) there is a photo identified as:

"Portrait of Anna Dosaeva."

Could anyone please identify for me her connection with Grand Dike George A?  I am unfamiliar with the name.

BobG

Anna Dosaeva is a woman who founded the dying GD Georgiy, he died on her arms. Later she went to Empress Maria Fedorovna to tell about Georgiy's last minutes.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Clemence on May 12, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
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It has also been reported, and seems correct that G.D. George did marry (probably a Dane) who bore twin children (a boy and a girl who were raised in Dennmark and within the circle of the Danish House) born just after his death. It does not appear that the girl ("Alexi" now dec'd) had any children, but the son (educated in England and lost during the Dunkirk rescues) has one surviving son.
As was the custom, I believe they took the family name of "Alexandrov." That survivor was at the interment ceremonies for the Imperial Family, with the Romanov family. So, I don't think he is totally unknown.

Even today, Abbas Tuman is probaly not a healthy place to sojourn.


is there some evidence on the marriage? and how could a place that was used as a sanatorium not being a healthy place? I find this a contraddiction.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 12, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
here we go again....

Clemence. im with you. i find it a total contradiction even more when they say he not only married once but twice in less than 4 years and have  4 kids...
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Empire on July 07, 2010, 10:21:05 AM
In Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's photo album (so nicely linked to us by Joanna) there is a photo identified as:

"Portrait of Anna Dosaeva."

Could anyone please identify for me her connection with Grand Dike George A?  I am unfamiliar with the name.

BobG

Anna Dosaeva is a woman who founded the dying GD Georgiy, he died on her arms. Later she went to Empress Maria Fedorovna to tell about Georgiy's last minutes.

Hi Svetabel - please could you tell me where you found the information that Anna Dosaeva was the lady who held G. D. George when he died as I would like to find out more if it is from a book you have read.
Many Thanks
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on July 08, 2010, 12:22:18 AM
In Grand Duke George Alexandrovich's photo album (so nicely linked to us by Joanna) there is a photo identified as:

"Portrait of Anna Dosaeva."

Could anyone please identify for me her connection with Grand Dike George A?  I am unfamiliar with the name.

BobG

Anna Dosaeva is a woman who founded the dying GD Georgiy, he died on her arms. Later she went to Empress Maria Fedorovna to tell about Georgiy's last minutes.

Hi Svetabel - please could you tell me where you found the information that Anna Dosaeva was the lady who held G. D. George when he died as I would like to find out more if it is from a book you have read.
Many Thanks

I think I read this in a bio on Empress Maria F. by Elena Khorvatova, the book is in Russian.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: ashanti01 on August 03, 2010, 10:58:54 AM
Link to video on Abbas Tumani. It seems it had survived all these years until a fire destroyed part of the palace a few years ago. Video in Russian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXtUu2HHxfE&feature=player_embedded#!

Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Miek on June 12, 2015, 10:48:12 AM
I found this blog with many photos (Google Translate) https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://indigogeorgia.tourister.ru/blog/2698&usg=ALkJrhjW7XrsnwyH5A4L6lUpAy3Kv55Tug  (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://indigogeorgia.tourister.ru/blog/2698&usg=ALkJrhjW7XrsnwyH5A4L6lUpAy3Kv55Tug)

Can anyone help me with this:  Long discussions were, what better place to stay the Crown Prince, and then offered Davos, while the most famous resort for pulmonary patients, it is well-maintained, and other European resorts.  But the sad experience of being the Grand Duke in Algeria led to the fact that all the Abastumani was preferred.


What happened when and to whom in Algeria?





Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Svetabel on June 12, 2015, 12:48:03 PM
I found this blog with many photos (Google Translate) https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://indigogeorgia.tourister.ru/blog/2698&usg=ALkJrhjW7XrsnwyH5A4L6lUpAy3Kv55Tug  (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://indigogeorgia.tourister.ru/blog/2698&usg=ALkJrhjW7XrsnwyH5A4L6lUpAy3Kv55Tug)

Can anyone help me with this:  Long discussions were, what better place to stay the Crown Prince, and then offered Davos, while the most famous resort for pulmonary patients, it is well-maintained, and other European resorts.  But the sad experience of being the Grand Duke in Algeria led to the fact that all the Abastumani was preferred.


What happened when and to whom in Algeria?







GD Georgiy lived winters of 1891 and 1892 in Algeria as the doctors thought that would be the best place for him because of his illness. But the Algeria climate appeared not to be good for Georgiy and he was sent to the Caucausus.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Miek on June 13, 2015, 06:43:14 AM
Thanks Svetabel. I thought GD Georgiy started living in Abas Tuman in 1891 (or perhaps even earlier) as the miniatures of the Fabergé Imperial Caucasus Egg are dated 1891 and one miniature is showing his house in AT. So chosing the Caucasus had probably nothing to do with his stay in Algiers in 91 and 92?

I wonder why they did not chose Davos in Switzerland for the Grand Duke as that was the best place to go in those days.
Title: Re: Abbas Tumani - residence of GD Georgiy Alexandrovitch
Post by: Julianboini on October 20, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
Заказ делали в конце зимы, установка была в мае. Ð’ цене получилось и вправду немного сэкономить, даже на бюджетном варианте 
забор из рабицы (https://vsem-zabor.ru/zabor-iz-rabitsy/). На участке стало не так ветрено, закрыта территория от глаз соседей, чего в первую очередь и хотели. Может скромно вышло, но меня устраивает. Работники хорошие, конфликтных ситуаций не было. Всем рекомендую.
Title: Монтаж заборов и ограждений в Казани.
Post by: Julianboini on October 21, 2020, 12:13:06 AM
Заказ делали в конце зимы, установка была в мае. Ð’ цене получилось и вправду немного сэкономить, даже на бюджетном варианте 
забор из рабицы (https://vsem-zabor.ru/zabor-iz-rabitsy/). На участке стало не так ветрено, закрыта территория от глаз соседей, чего в первую очередь и хотели. Может скромно вышло, но меня устраивает. Работники хорошие, конфликтных ситуаций не было. Всем рекомендую.