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Title: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Cart Blackwell on August 17, 2004, 11:11:25 AM
Countess Marie Kleinmichel (nee' Keller) was regarded by her contemporaries and present day scholars as one of Russia's greatest pre-revolutionary society leaders. She survived the upheavals and emigrated to Germany where she wrote her memoirs. Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and Peter Massie both wrote of her escape from her palace. Her on account differs from theirs. I know it was sacked during the Revolution. The Countess herself mentions this. Does anyone know of its subsequent fate? She also had a villa on one of the islands. It still stands.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Janet_W. on August 17, 2004, 12:01:37 PM
Cart, you have brought up an excellent subject, and reminded me that I need to keep looking for a copy of Countess Kleinmichel's memoirs . . . I am sure they would be of exceptional interest.

Perhaps someone out there can provide us with information about her homes, as well as her life?
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 17, 2004, 01:23:11 PM
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Countess Marie Kleinmichel (nee' Keller) was regarded by her contemporaries and present day scholars as one of Russia's greatest pre-revolutionary society leaders. She survived the upheavals and emigrated to Germany where she wrote her memoirs. Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and Peter Massie both wrote of her escape from her palace. Her on account differs from theirs. I know it was sacked during the Revolution. The Countess herself mentions this. Does anyone know of its subsequent fate? She also had a villa on one of the islands. It still stands.


Countess Kleinmichel was indeed a great hostess, but as Meriel Buchanan recalled "her parties lacked both the charm of Princess Orlov´s and the dignity and magnificence of Countess Shuvalov´s"
I must say that the beauty and magnificence of the Shuvalov palace is really overwhelming, even for Petersburg standards.

Her Palace was on Sergievskaya Ulitsa 35-37. I suppose that something of the interior decoration must remains to this day.(Most probably the ballroom)

Her neo-gothic villa is in quite good shape. This villa was designed by I. A. Pretro in 1904, and replaced the earlier mansion by Stakensneider from 1836. Some of the interiors preserved, though, the decorations of the second half of the XIX century. Sadly, the villa´s wonderful wooden adjacent pavillion no longer exists(i think it was burned...). The pavillion was designed by F.F. Postels in 1909. During the 1920s the villa housed a Club for workers similar to a sanatorium( sanatori is the russian word).
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 17, 2004, 08:19:11 PM
The villa is in Kamenny island, in front of the Kamenoostrovsky theater, very close to the 1º Yelaguin bridge.

And yes, it´s the same Sergievskaya ulitsa where Olga´s palace stands.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: E-38 on September 10, 2004, 11:55:19 AM
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Countess Marie Kleinmichel (nee' Keller) was regarded by her contemporaries and present day scholars as one of Russia's greatest pre-revolutionary society leaders. She survived the upheavals and emigrated to Germany where she wrote her memoirs. Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and Peter Massie both wrote of her escape from her palace. Her on account differs from theirs. I know it was sacked during the Revolution. The Countess herself mentions this. Does anyone know of its subsequent fate? She also had a villa on one of the islands. It still stands.

I read her book....
but I interested in destiny of  other Kleinmichels
http://kleinmichel.prov.ru
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Belochka on September 11, 2004, 12:26:35 AM
Yes I agree completely with Joanna, this is a marvellous link.  Thanks E-38! :D
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Cart Blackwell on September 12, 2004, 02:15:28 PM
For those interested in the fate of other members of the Kleinmichel family, I have only a few leads.  The Countess Marie mentions that only one male heir, one of her nephews' sons, survived the First World War and the Revolution.  Princess Marie Vassilichikov mentions a young Countess Kleinmichel in her memoirs.  Greg King wrote that a Count and Countess Kleiinmichel were among those who celebrated with Prince and Princess Yousoupov following their successful case against MGM.  Hopefully the leads will help someone.
                          Good Luck, Cart
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Reco on June 25, 2005, 11:27:27 AM
(http://img259.echo.cx/img259/629/countessmekleinmichelsdachakre.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)(http://)
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: dp5486 on February 28, 2006, 06:24:19 PM
I was surprised that there was not a thread devoted to the Kleinmichels. In Grand Duchess Olga's biography, it is mentioned that the annual balls of the Grand Duchess Vladimir and of Countess Marie Kleinmichel were fixtures in the St. Petersburg social season. Does anyone have any information on Countess Marie von Keller Kleinmichel?

I believe that there is also a Countess Ekaterina Kleinmichel, whose niece Olga Konstantinovna Kleinmichel married the supposed sailor love interest of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna. Countess Kleinmichel also escaped through Malta after she left Russia.

Does anyone have any information on these to Countesses Kleinmichel? Were they related in any way?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: ukupeeter on February 28, 2006, 10:17:48 PM
http://www.vgd.ru/index.php?t=15872
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: lancashireladandre on March 02, 2006, 02:34:52 PM
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I was surprised that there was not a thread devoted to the Kleinmichels. In Grand Duchess Olga's biography, it is mentioned that the annual balls of the Grand Duchess Vladimir and of Countess Marie Kleinmichel were fixtures in the St. Petersburg social season. Does anyone have any information on Countess Marie von Keller Kleinmichel?

I believe that there is also a Countess Ekaterina Kleinmichel, whose niece Olga Konstantinovna Kleinmichel married the supposed sailor love interest of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna. Countess Kleinmichel also escaped through Malta after she left Russia.

Does anyone have any information on these to Countesses Kleinmichel? Were they related in any way?

Thanks!

Countess Marie Kleinmichel managed to leave Russia via Sweden.She settled in France with her unmarried sister and wrote her autobiography "Memories of a Shipwrecked World".Prince Serge Obolensky in his memoirs recalls finding the two old ladies in very poor circumstances.To help them but not injure their pride he arranged for an allowance to be paid in the form of a mortgage repayments on some Obolensky property which the Countess had secured a lien.The other Kleinmichels are mentioned in "The Other Russia" a book of memoirs by Glenny & Stone published circa 1990.I think Countess Catherine Kleinmichel married Count Nieroth (will have to look it up),another Count Vladimir married  the widowed Princess Galitzine nee Countess Maria von Carlow in London in the 1920's.He was comptroller to the Grand Duchess Xenia in her later years.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: lancashireladandre on March 02, 2006, 02:36:28 PM
Countess Marie had only one surviving daughter Baroness de Korff.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: dp5486 on March 02, 2006, 08:30:20 PM
Very interesting...

I remember reading that there was a court official named Baron Korf, referenced by Alexandra in a letter. Are they the same?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Joanna on March 05, 2006, 03:47:19 PM
A view of Countess Kleinmichel's villa on Stone Island c1920:

http://www.encspb.ru/bigimage.php?kod=3421

Joanna
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Joanna on October 21, 2006, 09:25:24 PM
Here are incredible photographs of Countess Kleinmichel's Villa on Kamenny Island c1911-1912:

Exteriors:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008176228
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008176327
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008177377
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008177540
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008178152
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008178252
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008178456

Interiors:
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008177870
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2100593060
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008178355
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008178551
http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showChildObjects.do?object=2008177990

Joanna
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on October 22, 2006, 02:47:19 PM
Joannah,as far as I can see you have mistaken in  your posts :the seam photo is attributed for two different things:klein michel manor and imperial station in Bielowecz...

In all cases your pics are absolutly marvellous!

Thanks,
Vassili
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on October 22, 2006, 03:03:17 PM
On an internet page I found the project to renovate the manor and to turn one of the greatest hall into a private swimming pool...

I hope they could not fulfill their dream of destruction even if it would bring a new life to the whole monument.

Vassili
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Joanna on October 22, 2006, 03:04:13 PM
Vassili, I am confused as I just checked all the links and they pertain to the Kleinmichel Villa on Kamenny. The style may be similar to the Bielowiez station but the villa is still there and when I visited was being restored.

Would you please identify the link that you believe is Bielowiez.
Joanna
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: dp5486 on January 10, 2008, 11:25:47 AM
I was wondering if anyone knew more about Olga Voronova's family? I think she may have had a younger sister, Princess Elena Konstantinovna Kleinmichel Trubetskoy and another sister named Claire. I was wondering if anyone knew more about Claire, as well as their mother and stepfather, all who escaped the revolution.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Svetabel on January 11, 2008, 01:40:42 AM
I was wondering if anyone knew more about Olga Voronova's family? I think she may have had a younger sister, Princess Elena Konstantinovna Kleinmichel Trubetskoy and another sister named Claire. I was wondering if anyone knew more about Claire, as well as their mother and stepfather, all who escaped the revolution.

Thanks!

Here's a link to a page of the Kleinmichel's site. On this page you can click on English links and read the memoirs of Olga Vorovona - very interesting and informative.

http://kleinmichel.prov.ru/upheaval.php (http://kleinmichel.prov.ru/upheaval.php)
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: dp5486 on January 11, 2008, 05:12:28 PM
I just discovered that site yesterday. Its a great story. I found that her mother was Ekaterina Nikolaevna Bogdanova Kleinmichel. Unfortunately she doesn't name her stepfather or the name of her sister Clair's husband. Her sister had the fascinating name of Cleopatra.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: ashanti01 on August 16, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/nobility/kleinmichelgeorgesclairconstatinsophia001-1.jpg)
Georges Victorovitch Martynov with his wife Countess Cleopatra (Claire) Constantinovna Kleinmichel and their children Constantin and Sophia
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Fandorin on August 29, 2010, 06:33:48 AM
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Svetabel on August 30, 2010, 04:49:39 AM
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.

If you speak about Countess Maria Kleinmikhel (1846-1931) when she emigrated in 1918 to France and lived there till her death. She indeed was buried in Versailles, in 1938 her brother Alexander was buried under the same tomb.
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Speedycat on August 30, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel1
b. 27 March 1930

Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel|b. 27 Mar 1930 daughter of Vladimir Petrovich Kleinmichel, Count Kleinmichel b. 29 Jan 1901- 14 May 1982 and his wife Marie Gräfin von Carlow b. 31 Oct 1893- 5 Sep 1979 (daughter of Georg A. Herzog von Mecklenburg-Strelitz b. 6 Jun 1859\nd. 5 Dec 1909 and his wife Nataliya F. Vanljarskya b. 16 May 1858\nd. 14 Mar 1921
     Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel was born on 27 March 1930 at London, England.1 She is the daughter of Vladimir Petrovich Kleinmichel, Count Kleinmichel and Marie Gräfin von Carlow.
1 She married Philip Henry Russell Goodman, son of Sir Victor Martin Reeves Goodman and Julian Morrell, on 17 May 1957 at London, England.2,3
     Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel gained the title of Countess Kleinmichel.1 From 17 May 1957, her married name became Goodman.
Children of Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel and Philip Henry Russell Goodman
1.Mary Goodman+ b. 20 Oct 1959
2.Catherine Anne Goodman1 b. 22 Apr 1961
3.Elizabeth Ottoline Goodman+1 b. 21 Jan 1964
4.Sophia Goodman1 b. 11 Sep 1965
5.Xenia Alexandra Goodman+3 b. 5 Sep 1969

From peerage.com
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: ashdean on August 30, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.
Prince Serge Obolensky mentions in his autobiography "One man in his Time" that in the 1920's the Countess and her unmarried sister Countess von Keller were existing in France in deep poverty.To help them and at the same time spare their pride hge paid them the interest on a loan for some Obolensky property that the wily old Countess had....of course he knew he would never see the property again.
Countess Marie had a elder brother who was killed in the Russo Japanese war his son lived in France with his second wife but had from his 2 marriages only one daughter..he died i(if memory serves me right)n 1946
Title: Kleinmichel Arms
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on November 07, 2010, 05:06:53 PM
The arms of the Counts Kleinmichel are an example of rather bad heraldry!

Rietstap blazons them as:
"Kleinmichel: Coupé d'or sur azur, à la fasce de gueules, chargée de cinq étoiles d'or, brochant sur le coupé. L'or chargé d'une aigle éployée naissante de sable, chaque tête sommée d'une couronne impériale, surmontée d'une troisième couronne impériale au naturel, aux rubans flottants d'azur, l'aigle portant sur l'aile dextre trois écussons d'argent, d'azur et d'argent, rangés en pal, sur l'aile senestre trois autres écussons, de gueules, d'or et de gueules, rangés pareillement en pal, et sur l'estomac un écusson de gueules, bordé d'or, chargé du chiffre H du même, surmonté d'une couronne impériale aussi d'or. L'azur chargé d'une ville d'argent, les maisons rangées en fasce, au-dessus desquelles s'élève un drapeau d'or. Trois casques couronnés."

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Kleinmichel_COA.jpg/300px-Kleinmichel_COA.jpg)

I suppose the "silver town" in the lower half is supposed to represent the Winter Palace, considering that Peter Andreyevich Kleinmichel was raised to the comital dignity by Nicholas I for his rapid completion of the task entrusted to him, the rebuilding of the Winter Palace after a major fire. Crowned hammers or square and compass would have been much more fitting and in good heraldic taste, but perhaps Nicholas I considered such symbols too Masonic!?
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Nicolay on November 08, 2010, 08:41:02 AM
This should belong here!!!
http://www.obarsiv.com/francais/mc-femmes.html

http://www.obarsiv.com/francais/mc-femmes-vera.html

http://www.obarsiv.com/images/galeri/02vera05b.jpg
Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on November 08, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
This should belong here!!!
Why? None of these women were called Kleinmichel.
Title: Count Vladimir Kleinmichel
Post by: Tony de Gandarillas on January 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
In Charles Fenywesi’s Spendor in Exiles page 253, there is a mention of Count Vladimir Kleinmichel which follows:

“[Grand Duke]Wladimir does not wish to discuss family finances, nor does he like to talk about the sensitive issue of relations between Windsors and Romanoffs.  His cousins however are outspoken.  They tell the story of the Dowager Empress Maria, returning in the early 1920’s after a half-century of absence to her native Denmark as wife of Czar Alexander III and mother of Nicholas II, who asked her nephew George V to sell the jewels she succeeded in rescuing from Russia.  George V dispatched a courier, who was later put in charge of investing the surprisingly small sum of 10,000 pounds sterling that the jewels brought.

It did not take long to discover where Queen Mary’s new jewels had come from, and it soon became clear that most, if not all of the Dowager Empress’s jewels had been purchased by her English cousins.  ‘Queen Elizabeth is wearing those jewels today,’ I heard several  Romanoffs say with the same inflection of polite disgust.  More ironic is the fact that the man George V entrusted with the transaction, Count Vladimir Kleinmichel, received in the 1060’s the coveted title Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO), given for services rendered to the English royal family”

Does anyone know how Count Vladimir Kleinmichel is related to Countess Marie Kleinmichel?  Were there any other Kleinmichels to reside in England?
Title: Re: Count Vladimir Kleinmichel
Post by: Svetabel on January 14, 2013, 07:12:30 AM
I  More ironic is the fact that the man George V entrusted with the transaction, Count Vladimir Kleinmichel, received in the 1060’s the coveted title Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO), given for services rendered to the English royal family”

Does anyone know how Count Vladimir Kleinmichel is related to Countess Marie Kleinmichel?  Were there any other Kleinmichels to reside in England?


Count Vladimir is  a grand-nephew of Countess Marie's (if you speak about Maria Eduardovna, nee Keller (1846-1931)) spouse Count Nikolai. Nikolai's brother Vladimir is a grandfather of Vladimir-younger.
Title: Re: Count Vladimir Kleinmichel
Post by: Tony de Gandarillas on January 15, 2013, 06:08:22 PM
I  More ironic is the fact that the man George V entrusted with the transaction, Count Vladimir Kleinmichel, received in the 1060’s the coveted title Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO), given for services rendered to the English royal family”

Does anyone know how Count Vladimir Kleinmichel is related to Countess Marie Kleinmichel?  Were there any other Kleinmichels to reside in England?


Count Vladimir is  a grand-nephew of Countess Marie's (if you speak about Maria Eduardovna, nee Keller (1846-1931)) spouse Count Nikolai. Nikolai's brother Vladimir is a grandfather of Vladimir-younger.

Thank you so very much, Svetabel.

Title: Re: The Kleinmichels
Post by: yussupov29 on December 31, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
Does anyone have more pictures of the Kleinmichel? I just read in Greg King's marvellous book 'The Court of the Last Tsar' about Countess Marie Kleinmichel.