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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Palaces in the Crimea => Topic started by: jda on October 03, 2004, 09:50:18 AM

Title: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: jda on October 03, 2004, 09:50:18 AM
The large palace that was destroyed so that the new palace of Nicholas and Alex could be built was not the palace where Alexander lll died.  Nicholas' parents prefered to use the Maley Palace which was located nearby.  There was a cross placed on the floor of the corner room where Alexander died.  The palace was destroyed in wwll.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on October 22, 2005, 08:10:59 PM
knowing how emotional Marie was, I wonder what her reaction was to Nicholas II telling her that the palace his father died in (and where the infamous "X" marked the spot of his death) would be torn down.

Anyone know anything about this conversation?

dca
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Reco on October 23, 2005, 01:04:54 AM
Mr Dominic_Albanese,

If you go in top of this page to read JDA attentively, you will note that the palate was destroyed during the WWII ( 1939-1945 ) and not by Nicolas II.

Maria F. was dead since several years.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on October 23, 2005, 07:16:50 AM
Quote
Mr Dominic_Albanese,

If you go in top of this page to read JDA attentively, you will note that the palate was destroyed during the WWII ( 1939-1945 ) and not by Nicolas II.

Maria F. was dead since several years.


I'm not sure that is right - I seem to remember that the palace where Alexander III died was destroyed by Nicholas II to build Livadia.  Nicholas detested the palace his father died in becausue it was big and dark.

Again, I could be wrong but I don't think so.

Those who know more than me - please chime in!

best,
dca
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: BobG on October 23, 2005, 07:48:19 AM
From  Romanov Autumn by Charlotte Zeepvat:
"The local architect, Nikolai Krasnov, was called to design the building (N&A's new palace at Livadia) and only two places were considered too sacred to be changed: the Maly Palace, where Alexander III had died, and the  palace chapel--Krasnov had plans to replace this but the Tsaritsa would not hear of it.  Work began as the imperial yacht sailed from Yalta and Monigetti's palace (the Big Palace) was finally razed to the ground on 3 February 1910."

BobG
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on October 23, 2005, 09:37:42 AM
I would say that I stand corrected...

thanks
dca
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Douglas on October 23, 2005, 11:22:25 PM
Yes, Bob is correct, I believe.  

It was at  the small Maly Palace that Alexander III died.

The larger old wood palace was torn down in 1910 to make room for the larger new "White Palace" that is still there today and is in excellent condition.

Douglas
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on October 01, 2006, 01:44:45 PM
The 2 old palaces in Livadia

Bolshoy Dvorets (Grand Palace) was built in 1862-1863 by archtitect Monighetti

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/liv_bol.jpg)

North facade

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/liv_bolOstairs.jpg)

Stairs to the garden
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Interiors of  Bolshoy palace

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/al2study_bol.jpg)

Working Study of Alexander II

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/din_liv_bol.jpg)

Dining room (watercolour by Premazzi)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on October 01, 2006, 01:46:35 PM
Maliy Dvorets (of Alexander III)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/liv_maliy.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Sarushka on October 01, 2006, 02:06:54 PM
Maliy Palace:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/OldPalace.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on October 01, 2006, 02:17:05 PM
Maliy Palace:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/OldPalace.jpg)

Many people considered the Maliy palace an ugly one. IMHO it was quite a charming building.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Aleksasha on October 04, 2006, 08:08:18 AM
It is very interesting this topic about the Old Palaces in Livadia. I'm wanderig if Premazzi did other watercolours there ( at the Bolshoi/Old Palace). In his Memoirs [/i] King Carol Ist of Roumania ( then only prince) wrote about the visit he paid to Alexander II and Maria Aleksandrovna. As residence the had Orienda palace but he was all the day at Livadia, for lunch or dinner, or for playing cards. He wrote about the cosy and pleasant Maria Aleksandrovna's rooms in Old palace ( of course). Anyone has photos af those rooms? Please, would you be so kind to share them ?
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on October 04, 2006, 12:05:11 PM
He wrote about the cosy and pleasant Maria Aleksandrovna's rooms in Old palace ( of course). Anyone has photos af those rooms? Please, would you be so kind to share them ?

Actually such pics are pretty rare and possibly one can find out some of them at various State archives. If they only exist. :(
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: GDNastya on October 12, 2006, 04:25:48 AM


Does anyone have the watercolour posted by Svetabel in colours?
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on November 22, 2006, 07:46:12 AM


Does anyone have the watercolour posted by Svetabel in colours?

Svetabel itself  :) will have the watercolour in colour soon as I've just ordered a book with such a colour picture inside. ::)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2006, 04:17:00 PM




(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/din_liv_bol.jpg)

Dining room (watercolour by Premazzi)

And this Dining room in colour (by Premazzi)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/dinebypremazzilivadia1860s.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2006, 04:19:16 PM
The Old Palace in Livadia in the 1860s.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/oldlivadia1860s.jpg)

And by Premazzi the same 1860s.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/oldlivadiabypremazzii1860s.jpg)

Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on December 01, 2006, 04:21:15 PM
Maliy Palace:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/OldPalace.jpg)

A room in the Maliy Palace (Palace of Alexander III)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/roomMalyLivadia.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: GDNastya on December 02, 2006, 11:59:02 AM
Hi Svetabel,

Thanks for the watercolours. They're really wonderful.
What is title of the book?

Many thanks,
Nastya
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on December 03, 2006, 04:00:45 AM
Hi Svetabel,

Thanks for the watercolours. They're really wonderful.
What is title of the book?

Many thanks,
Nastya


That's a Russian book "Russian Riviera" about the Crimea as a resort.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Sarushka on December 03, 2006, 09:50:03 AM
Is this also part of the old palace?

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/cap233.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Paola on March 22, 2007, 07:49:34 AM
Does anyone knows this book "Luidži Premacci, akvareli i risunki"  (Luigi Premazzi, watercolours and drawings) by Larisa V. Bardovskaja? Has many watercolours of palaces's interiors?
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on March 22, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
Does anyone knows this book "Luidži Premacci, akvareli i risunki"  (Luigi Premazzi, watercolours and drawings) by Larisa V. Bardovskaja? Has many watercolours of palaces's interiors?

I only heard about this book, I wish I had it. I guess it's fascinating.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on March 22, 2007, 04:00:27 PM
Looking to those last posts I wonder if the demolished wasn't more esthetic than the new one(who is quite well)...

Don't Ukraine have plan of developpement for the palce's area(restoration of remainings buildings or reconstruction?)

Thanks,V
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: TheAce1918 on March 22, 2007, 08:26:55 PM
Maliy Palace:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/OldPalace.jpg)

Many people considered the Maliy palace an ugly one. IMHO it was quite a charming building.

I second that.  These pictures are gorgeous and the palaces themselves are quite striking in contrast to the neo-classical design of the newer Livadia palaces. 
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Paola on March 26, 2007, 01:35:02 AM
Does anyone knows this book "Luidži Premacci, akvareli i risunki"  (Luigi Premazzi, watercolours and drawings) by Larisa V. Bardovskaja? Has many watercolours of palaces's interiors?

I only heard about this book, I wish I had it. I guess it's fascinating.

Thanks Svetabel. I will try an interloan to get this book.  I like so much his watercolours. Premazzi and Edward Hau are my favorites for palaces' interiors.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Joanna on February 25, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
My understanding is that the Maly Palace survived. Can anyone confirm if this link is of the Maly? Although I have a few books on Livadia, there is a dearth of photographs of the outer buildings as the focus is on the main palace.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3543539

Joanna
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Svetabel on February 26, 2008, 02:06:00 AM
My understanding is that the Maly Palace survived. Can anyone confirm if this link is of the Maly? Although I have a few books on Livadia, there is a dearth of photographs of the outer buildings as the focus is on the main palace.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3543539

Joanna

That is not the Maliy Palace, but probably some old building of those times.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Joanna on March 31, 2008, 09:21:27 PM
Many thanks Svetabel for the clarification.

A different view of Maly palace:
http://livadia.narod.ru/rus/jpg/castle_02.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on June 09, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
What palace did Nicholas II and his family stay in during their spring/summer visits to the Crimea before 1911?
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Forum Admin on June 09, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
They lived in the "old" Livadia Palace prior to the construction of the "New" Palace in 1911
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Sunny on June 09, 2011, 12:47:25 PM
They lived in the "old" Livadia Palace prior to the construction of the "New" Palace in 1911

The "old" one was the Palace in which Alexander III died in 1894?
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Sarushka on June 09, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
More info on this thread:
Old Palaces of the Romanovs in the Crimea (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1437.0)



The "old" one was the Palace in which Alexander III died in 1894?

Yes. I believe he died in the Maliy [small] Palace. There are photos of it in the thread I linked above.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Forum Admin on June 09, 2011, 01:13:59 PM
They lived in the "old" Livadia Palace prior to the construction of the "New" Palace in 1911

The "old" one was the Palace in which Alexander III died in 1894?

Yes, that is correct.
Title: Re: Old Palaces of the Romanovs in Livadia
Post by: Sunny on June 09, 2011, 01:58:38 PM
Thank you very much both of you