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Title: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 11, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PrincessChristian.jpg)

Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 12, 2010, 08:39:37 AM
Bride and groom

(http://i26.tinypic.com/1rqam0.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Margot on July 12, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
I was wondering does anyone know what happened to some of Helena's jewels after her death? I am hoping Ashdean might be able to help here!!! I assume that Helena Victoria and Marie Louise got most of the contents of Helena's jewel chest and perhaps Albert got some too. But what became of the jewels thereafter? I can't say I remember seeing any of the following pieces in the Gloucester collection to date! Perhaps some pieces went to Lady Patricia Ramsay who inherited Marie Louise's Honeysuckle tiara.

But what ever became of these pieces?

The diamond and pearl bandeau and diamond bow brooch:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/helena-princess-christian/helena-diamond-tiara.htm

Princess Christian's emerald, ruby, diamond and pearl necklace and her diamond stars:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/helena-princess-christian/helena-emeralds.htm

Princess Christian's turquoise and diamond tiara:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/helena-princess-christian/helena-tiara-perlen.htm

Thank heavens for Ursula's wonderful website!

Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 18, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/Helena.jpg)
There was a waltz named after her
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: THERRY on July 19, 2010, 03:11:14 AM
How nice have dedicated a waltz !!!! I didn't know
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 19, 2010, 07:04:12 AM
I found this one in an old CD

(http://i32.tinypic.com/9rom6r.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 08:50:39 PM


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/887-1.jpg)

The above photo was actually the first royal photograph by Richard Speaight who would go on to take many fabulous royal portraits.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/881-1.jpg)

Helena Victoria, who was an avid sportswoman

Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on July 22, 2010, 08:51:46 PM
Marie Louise

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/931-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/britain/934-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: kmerov on July 24, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Great pictures, thanks for posting them.

Prince Albert, the last Duke of Augustenburg. He is buried at Primkenau Castle, the main property of the Augustenburg family.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/augustenborg%20kassel/Hertug_AlbertAugustenborg.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/augustenborg%20kassel/Albertslesvigholsten.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 14, 2010, 06:38:29 PM
Helena

(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6944/cvroy65.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/cvroy65.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 18, 2010, 02:54:39 PM
Old Helena with Queen Mary and Arthur, duke of Connaught

(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9281/docqnmaryhelena.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/docqnmaryhelena.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Michael II on November 04, 2010, 12:10:32 PM
Does anyone have or know where I could find a photo of the grave of Prince Christian Victor.  His grave is in the cemetery in Petoria, So. Africa.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 04, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
I have a photo from a postcard but no way to access it. It is a simple grave, with a granite cross and a small iron fence surrounding the plot. Nothing ornate about it. There was some vandalism right before his mother came to visit his grave but no permanent damage.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Michael II on November 04, 2010, 02:40:12 PM
Thank you Grandduchessella for you info.  I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on November 04, 2010, 02:51:07 PM
There is a memorial to Christian Victor and other South African War casualties not far from the Citadel in Plymouth. I will try to remember to take my camera next time I go that way.

Ann
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 04, 2010, 03:05:15 PM
There's also a statue of him in Windsor--that is posted on the other thread. I could've sworn I've seen the image I have posted somewhere but I did a quick search and didn't see it.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Keith on November 04, 2010, 05:15:26 PM
From Theo Aronsons book Royal Ambassadors

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/Royal%20photos/ChristianVictorsgrave.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on November 05, 2010, 11:33:37 AM
That's similar to the postcard I have and really gives a good view. You can see how simple it was. Helena and Thora paid a visit not too longer after his death.  I THINK there's a picture of the grave in Queen Victoria's Family by Charlotte Zeepvat as well but am not positive.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Michael II on November 05, 2010, 12:34:24 PM
Thank you Keith for posting the picture.  I appreciate it very much.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Keith on November 06, 2010, 08:50:10 PM
You're welcome.

The cross is made of granite from the Balmoral Estate.

Helena and Helena Victoria visited South Africa in September 1904. Earlier in the month two attempts were made to steal the Prince's body, but the stone slab covering his grave was to heavy. Authorities tried to keep the incidents quiet, but by the time Helena visited the grave she was aware of the attempts, commenting "Was it not a brutal thing to do"
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 10, 2010, 11:48:53 AM
(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5262/erez5.jpg) (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/erez5.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: gillian on November 19, 2010, 07:36:47 AM
Helena is my favorite of QV's daughters, I can't explain why she just seems like she was genuinely great person. Helena and Christian had a quiet life compared to her siblings, and Helena's marriage was the longest of QV's children. I think she rather resembled her mother, they both have the same round face though, Helena's features are slightly different.

Some Pictures of Helena and Louise as Children
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/29418521.jpg)
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/29059881.jpg)
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/29059871.jpg)
All of QV's Daughters, except Beatrice, I believe Helena is on the far right
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/4059621.jpg)
With her mother
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/HU0056331.jpg)
Helena with her mother and Alfred
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/4068911.jpg)

A couple more of a young Helena
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/29001781.jpg)
(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z340/gillianalison/4203292.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on November 21, 2010, 01:45:47 PM
I love the last two, and also the tiny painting. Anyone have it bigger? (I mean the one with all of Victoria's daughters except Beatrice.)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Rani on November 21, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
Bride and groom

(http://i26.tinypic.com/1rqam0.jpg)

Wow, he looks like her grandfather.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: violetta on December 05, 2010, 10:32:26 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/lenchen1855.jpg)

helen in 1855


helen with louise

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/heenaloise21864.jpg)



as an elderly lady

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/lenhen.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Keith on December 31, 2010, 04:51:47 PM
Marie Louise between the Duchess of York and Helen Will Moody at a garden party given by Lady Crosfield in July 1935

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/ElizabethMarieLouiseHelenWills.jpg)

Helena Victoria, Helen Wills Moody, Ena, Alice Marble, and Marie Louise at a charity tennis match in July 1938

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/fajack/HVHWMEnaAliceMarbleML.jpg) 
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2011, 12:25:47 PM
Both the sisters were keen followers of tennis. Helena Victoria often presented the awards at Wimbledon and other events. I believe HV also played some tennis though I might be confusing it with golf.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 01, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
No that's right gdella! Remember the story in Marie Louise's memoirs when her sister asked Queen Victoria if she might play tennis, QV agreed but stipulated that as it is a Sunday they must collect the balls themselves, as it's not right to make someone work for there enjoyment!
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: ashdean on January 01, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
Yes GDElla & Eddie are right..
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on January 02, 2011, 04:44:28 AM
Both Marie Louise and Helena Victoria were also very keen on music, and keen patrons of orchestras.

Among my grandmother's effects after her death was a letter from an organisation running classical concerts for the troops in France offering her a job in 1916 (my grandmother was a pianist). The organisation's patron (in large letters) was 'Prince Helena Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein'. alas, my grandmother's parents forbade her to go (she was 25 at the time, but she was their only surviving child out of four). The letter is somewhere at my parents' house and I will dig it out next time I'm there.

Ann
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Marc on January 11, 2011, 11:09:56 PM
No that's right gdella! Remember the story in Marie Louise's memoirs when her sister asked Queen Victoria if she might play tennis, QV agreed but stipulated that as it is a Sunday they must collect the balls themselves, as it's not right to make someone work for there enjoyment!

I just love this story!
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Eddie_uk on January 12, 2011, 01:37:05 AM
Agreed! What a wonderful and thoughtful way to think!!
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 03, 2011, 01:14:21 PM
Today I purchased the book "Cumberland Lodge" by Helen Hudson. It has some interesting photos of there family I had never seen before & there interesting rooms too!
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 02, 2011, 05:42:02 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PrincessHelenaVictoria1937.jpg)

This is the most wonderful state-portrait I ever saw of Princess Helena-Victoria and I'm so happy to share it with you. It's from the Chicago Tribune from 1937.

Just look at that elegance and the beautiful jewelry. Finally a clear picture of 'Thora' with her tiara and other jewelry. I just love the pearls, the fur and the lovely brooch. So don't tell me the woman wasn't every inch a princess. Was this the tiara that was inherited by Lady Patricia Ramsay? I think this portrait was taken in connection with the coronation of 1937.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: ashdean on April 03, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/PrincessHelenaVictoria1937.jpg)

This is the most wonderful state-portrait I ever saw of Princess Helena-Victoria and I'm so happy to share it with you. It's from the Chicago Tribune from 1937.

Just look at that elegance and the beautiful jewelry. Finally a clear picture of 'Thora' with her tiara and other jewelry. I just love the pearls, the fur and the lovely brooch. So don't tell me the woman wasn't every inch a princess. Was this the tiara that was inherited by Lady Patricia Ramsay? I think this portrait was taken in connection with the coronation of 1937.
The tiara was the one later worn by sister Marie Louise (as was the art deco diamond and pearl brooch)and then by Patricia Ramsay after whose death in 1972 it was auctioned.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Gabriella on April 03, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
Thanks for posting the pictures of Helena Victoria and Marie-Louise. I had read they were keen sports-women but never seen pictures that
show them in action.
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 04, 2011, 10:20:51 AM
Lovely picture! Thank you RN. I wonder if the tiara belonged to there mother originally?
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Marc on November 06, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
Collage of Princess Marie Louise as La Paiva:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Ml.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on December 22, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
Princess Marie Louise on her wedding day:

http://www.aic.pt/_snippets/previewimage/index.cfm?imgid=42392013

Anyone's guess who are the others?
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Post by: Keith on December 22, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
According to Marie Louise's memoirs she had six bridesmaids, Edith Ward, Lady Elizabeth Dawson, Lady Esther Gore, Lady Beatrice Egerton, Lady Beatrice Bridgeman and Lady Sophie Cadogan . As only five are shown here not sure who is who.

They wore off-white silk dresses and wore wreaths of Marechal ney roses in their hair and carried shower boquests of the same roses.
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Post by: CountessKate on December 23, 2011, 04:33:11 AM
According to Marie Louise's memoirs she had six bridesmaids, Edith Ward, Lady Elizabeth Dawson, Lady Esther Gore, Lady Beatrice Egerton, Lady Beatrice Bridgeman and Lady Sophie Cadogan . As only five are shown here not sure who is who.

They wore off-white silk dresses and wore wreaths of Marechal ney roses in their hair and carried shower boquests of the same roses.

The profile of a sixth bridesmaid is lurking behind the first bridesmaid on the left at the back.  But it doesn't make it easier since even if there were lots of photos of the bridesmaids around to compare, judging by Marie Louise's image, the likenesses would be highly idealised and bear little resemblance to the originals!  I suspect that the illustrator had some problems of knowing what they looked like as well, since one of the bridesmaids has her back to the viewer and there is just a shadowy profile for another.
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Post by: Marc on December 24, 2011, 06:27:21 AM
According to Marie Louise's memoirs she had six bridesmaids, Edith Ward, Lady Elizabeth Dawson, Lady Esther Gore, Lady Beatrice Egerton, Lady Beatrice Bridgeman and Lady Sophie Cadogan . As only five are shown here not sure who is who.

They wore off-white silk dresses and wore wreaths of Marechal ney roses in their hair and carried shower boquests of the same roses.

Thank you,interesting find...I didn't know their names!
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Post by: CountessKate on December 24, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
Here are a couple of portraits, the first of Lady Beatrice Bridgeman, who married Colonel Ernest Pretyman:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Great%20Ladies/LadyBeatricePretyman.jpg)

And this is Lady Sophie Cadogan, who married Sir Samuel Scott (and ran away from him, after a quarrel, some years after their marriage.  But unlike Marie-Louise and Aribert, they were reconciled):

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Great%20Ladies/LadySophieScott.jpg)

I honestly can't match up either of these ladies with any of Marie-Louise's attendants in the picture however!
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: CountessKate on December 24, 2011, 09:11:57 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/Miscl/SchleswigHolsteinchildren2.jpg)

The young Schleswig-Holsteiners
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on January 14, 2012, 02:06:53 PM
I love the last two, and also the tiny painting. Anyone have it bigger? (I mean the one with all of Victoria's daughters except Beatrice.)
Here you go:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/3-1.jpg

One that was posted, but bigger, I think:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/1-4.jpg

Little Lenchen:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/2-1.jpg

I have heard that Helena wasn't as close to Louise as is made out, and that they were lumped together by age. Is there any evidence of this or is it just a rumor?
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 14, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
I love the last two, and also the tiny painting. Anyone have it bigger? (I mean the one with all of Victoria's daughters except Beatrice.)
Here you go:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/3-1.jpg
Oh, thank you! It is truly darling.

Little Lenchen:
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/PieceOfLivingHistory/2-1.jpg
I love the style of drawings like that from the 1840s/50s. I have seen quite a few illustrations of Renaissance characters from that time, and there is just this distictive look in their faces that says 1840s. Was it a particular person who drew them all or just a style?
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: CountessKate on January 17, 2012, 03:38:30 AM
Quote
I have heard that Helena wasn't as close to Louise as is made out, and that they were lumped together by age. Is there any evidence of this or is it just a rumor?

In 'Darling Loosey', the collection of Louise's letters edited by Elizabeth Longford, she gives much biographical information on the shifting relations between Queen Victoria's children. Louise was much closer to her younger brothers Arthur and Leopold in particular, than to Helena, though in their younger years there wasn't outright hostility.  However, Louise came to resent the Queen's closer links to Helena and Beatrice, and she envied them their children; she often made hurtful and insensitive comments about their looks, intellect, their relations with their mother, and their dullness.  But Lady Longford writes of an "unlikely combination of Louise and Lenchen" at one point, suggesting their pairing in photos and the like was indeed more of a lumping together than a natural affinity.
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Post by: Aliss_Kande on April 23, 2013, 11:11:29 PM
http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/princess_helena_cdv_by_hill.jpg (http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/princess_helena_cdv_by_hill.jpg)

This may come off as a stupid question, but I have looked all over and I cannot find a date for this photo, other than "mid-1860s".   Thanks for your help! :)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 24, 2013, 06:57:33 AM
Its from mids 1870s. The gown she s using fit in that period ;-) . In mids 1860s, crinoline were wider , bigger and rounder

See, this is Helena (with sister Louise) in mids 1860s (1864)

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2900888/princess-helena-and-princess-louise-1864-in-portraits-of-royal

And here in "mids 1870s" (1873)

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/2902667/helena-princess-christian-of-schleswig-holstein-and-her-elder
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: gillian on May 13, 2013, 06:55:11 PM
The NPG has  This Pose (http://i44.tinypic.com/20usjo7.jpg) from the same sitting but still dated only as 1860s. The ever reliable Wikipedia dates it as c.1860 but I don't think that's right, because in  this picture (http://i43.tinypic.com/33xd6ps.jpg) dated 1861 she looks much younger than she does in the picture you're asking about.  I'm thinking between 1862-65.  I think that Helena looks too young for this pic to be from the 1870s, after having so many children she looked older and was a bit heavier.

For Comparison

1862 (http://i39.tinypic.com/2exm0xx.jpg)
1863 (http://i42.tinypic.com/30ndy6t.jpg)
1864 (http://i39.tinypic.com/8vz28o.jpg)
1865 (http://i41.tinypic.com/35d83d5.jpg)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 14, 2013, 08:12:20 AM
Well, as you can see in those images, Helena used a differente style of Hairdo which fits with the period (early 1860s- Mids 1860).

The image could be from early 1870s or late 1860s, not earlier than that, because 1) the hairstyle 2) the gown . It doesnt fit with the style period. Plus, if you can see her hand, it seems she s wearing a wedding ring, which locate the image after 1866, when she married prince Christian.



Ps: dont trust so much in the info added by the NPG. Here an example of innacuracy, an image of Pss Beatrice labeled as Pss Helena

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw158814/Princess-Helena-Augusta-Victoria-of-Schleswig-Holstein?LinkID=mp02122&search=sas&sText=princess+helena&OConly=true&wPage=1&role=sit&rNo=34
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: gillian on July 07, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Sorry to bump an old thread but I found a bio of Christian Victor, the eldest of Schleswig-Holstein children who died during the Boer War. It's fairly old (Published in 1908) however it's a free google e-book and I don't believe there is any other biographies on him so it's worth a look. I haven't read much into it yet but I'm hoping it might have some interesting info.
Link (http://books.google.com/books?id=_EguAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Title: Re: Helena, Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (1846-1921), and her family, Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on July 07, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
I actually have the original hardback. It's a nice book--slim but it has some interesting tidbits in it. It is the only standalone bio on him though there are some good bits on him in his sister's autobiography. He seems to have been hard-working, dedicated soldier who was well-liked and respected by his troops. He was also a very good cricket player. :) Those 2 things seem to have been his overriding interests in life and I don't think I've even seen a rumored romance with anyone mentioned.
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Post by: Kalafrana on July 08, 2013, 02:46:56 AM
All the Schleswig-Holsteins seem to have been pleasant people who devoted themselves to useful things. During World War 1 Albert, torn between two countries, spent most of his time on Red Cross work, and his posting to the staff of the Military Governor of Berlin was purely nominal. Interestingly, in view of his brother's prowess at cricket, Albert was a very good golfer. according to one of Lord Stamfordham's letters about the titles Deprivation Act, he was a scratch player.

Albert
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 08, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
I actually have a few photos of Albert golfing--he was indeed quite good. So was his sister Helena Victoria who had a mean swing. :)
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Post by: Kalafrana on July 09, 2013, 02:45:51 AM
The letter about Albert's golfing prowess was written some time in 1918 when Lord Stamfordham was obviously getting impatient with the whole business of the Titles Deprivation Act. The relevant part reads something like, 'I do not think Prince albert has any property in England except possibly a set of golf clubs - he is a scratch player!'

Ann
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Post by: Marc on June 02, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
I actually have a few photos of Albert golfing--he was indeed quite good. So was his sister Helena Victoria who had a mean swing. :)

I found very interesting article in The Esoteric Curiosa blog about Thora's wedding prospects...After being humiliated by future Queen Alexandra,who did not like "Christians" because of this whole Schleswig-Holstein question,it seems that Queen Victoria wanted her granddaughter Helena Victoria to marry Catholic Prince Johannes von Hohenlohe-Bartenstein:

"As early as 1890, her aunt, the Empress Friedrich, wished “someone nice could be found.” Four years later she tried in vain to have her marry Prince Ernst, the future 7th Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg, a grandson of Queen Victoria’s half-sister, Princess Feodore. This plan, like the others prior turned out fruitless and rather humiliatingly; the Prince rather married Helena’s cousin, Princess Alexandra of Edinburgh.

By 1899, nearing the age of thirty, at a time when most Princess’ were considered past their prime a suitable candidate was found, albeit a minor German Prince. Her grandmother the Queen Empress commented on the project herself in a candid letter to her daughter the Empress Friedrich; “. . . .I now revert to the idea of the Prince of Hohenlohe-Bartenstein for Thora. It sounds well but the great difficulty and annoyance mixed marriages cause now would make it absolutely necessary to know before. You could find it out much better than me, through the Reischachs. Lenchen (Queen Victoria’s daughter, Princess Helena) did not dislike the idea, but Thora wishes it to be clearly understood what would be done about the marriage. Else, as she said, if she should like him and great difficulties arise afterwards about the religion, it would be very unpleasant and painful. It therefore would be very kind if you could find this out before anything more is done.”

Unfortunately, religion was an issue and the plans ended in nothing; Princess Helena Victoria remained a spinster.

The above mentioned Prince, Johannes, 8th Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein und Jagstberg, eventually married Archduchess Anna of Austria, Princess of Tuscany, a younger sister of the erstwhile, Crown Princess Luise of Saxony."
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Post by: LisaG on July 08, 2014, 01:33:38 PM
Has one ever seen the memorial, sculpted by Jules Dalou, to Helena's deceased infants, Harald and the unnamed stillborn boy? Where is it?
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 11, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
I think I had posted it once years ago but it may not be on the Forum any longer. I believe it is this one--for all of QV's lost grandchildren (to that point) including Helena's 2:

(http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/ImCZ6dY0lGO_sYsqCA3TdKGPdn9focNCGCMvXmk3zhA/mtime:1392945717/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/b/5/64069/398f76f8a9e099b284db65950be47c22.jpg)
A terracotta group comprising a winged angel sitting on a rock, holding three children in her arms and with two older children at her knees. Mounted on circular pedestal with inscription reading 'Of such is The Kingdom of Heaven, Dalou Fecit 1878'. Queen Victoria commissioned this terracotta group in 1877, for her Private Chapel at Windsor Castle, as a memorial to five of her grand-children who died in infancy. The children represented in the group were Prince Sigismund of Prussia, Frederick Wilhelm of Hesse, Prince Alexander John of Wales, and Prince Harold and a still-born child, both children of Princess Helena. In 1879 Dalou made an additional group representing Princess Marie of Hesse, daughter of Princess Alice, who died, aged 4, in 1878.
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Post by: LisaG on July 14, 2014, 08:55:23 AM
Oh, that's so beautifully sad. Thanks so much, grandduchessella.
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Post by: Marc on March 12, 2015, 10:55:08 AM
Little bit more about Marie Valerie,Duchess von Arenberg and granddaughter of Helena:

http://theesotericcuriosa.blogspot.com/2015/02/german-blueblood-put-out-by-war-as.html
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Post by: Marc on December 01, 2015, 04:25:25 AM
Does anybody know,has Marie Valerie inherited anything from her father after his death?He recognized her as his daughter before he died,so I assume he left something in his will to her...or did everything went to his sisters after his death?
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Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2015, 01:36:09 PM
Does anybody know,has Marie Valerie inherited anything from her father after his death?He recognized her as his daughter before he died,so I assume he left something in his will to her...or did everything went to his sisters after his death?

No.  I was the first person to write about Valerie Marie in my book, Queen Victoria's Descendants, where you will find the most details about her life.  Albert never met Valerie Marie
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Post by: Kalafrana on December 10, 2015, 10:18:11 AM
Sad in a sense that Albert never met Marie Valerie, but understandable given the mores of the time. At least he wrote to her while he was setting his affairs in order before he died, and Marie Louise at least was fond of her.

Is there any information on what became of Marie Valerie's mother?

Ann