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Title: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on July 24, 2010, 05:41:10 PM
The other day I was looking a  Romanov photo book and got a slight  jolt when I realized in the background of a photograph of the Tsar and a dog ,was Tatiana and Marie in positions I had seen in Olga's photo album. Marie particularly was  posed just has she was in Olga's close up...the same tree, pose,  everything. Tatiana is near by, sitting  on a stump. The photos were taken at the same time and amazingly, someone taking Nicholas photo, captured Marie just as Olga was also taking her photo. Tatiana has either had hers taken or will be snapped momentary, how the photos were placed in the album will tell us this. I imagine this sort of thing could happen on hikes where photos where taken during rests and many snapped away. But it's grand to see an alternate view, even fuzzy, of well known photo of the girls. ...and if the lens had traveled over to the right alittle more, it would have also caught Olga N. taking Marie's photo. imo. It often pays to give attention to the background of even well known photos

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/TMinthebackground.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/th_backgroundmarie.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/?action=view&current=backgroundmarie.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/th_backgroundtayna.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/?action=view&current=backgroundtayna.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/th_TsarTM.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/?action=view&current=TsarTM.jpg)

Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 24, 2010, 05:54:44 PM
That's neat! Thanks for sharing it! ; )
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 26, 2010, 06:39:36 PM
That is really interesting.
I know of another picture of Marie in that odd blouse, and 2 more of Tatiana, but none of Olga or Anastasia. Does anyone have any, or did they just not have polka-dotted blouses?
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on July 26, 2010, 11:17:57 PM
There are a number  photos of Olga and Anastasia with those blouse...OA and T   are even wearing them in one of the resting after gardening photos at AP in the spring of '17 under sweaters. 

here's OTM if not on the same day, certainly the same trip, all wearing the blouse. Which I venture to say was red and white, based on the  type of grey in the b/w photo

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/th_olgahiking.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/?action=view&current=olgahiking.jpg)

also Anastasia wearing her copy of the blouse

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/th_imponyatch.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Anastasia/?action=view&current=imponyatch.jpg)



There are photos of O M and A wearing them on the ship...with Tatiana in white. It seems she stayed with their mother that day
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Holly on July 26, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
I've always believed them to be red as well because I saw a hand-tinted photograph in which they were dark red.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on July 26, 2010, 11:37:58 PM
I've always believed them to be red as well because I saw a hand-tinted photograph in which they were dark red.
  Interesting Holly! ...I was guessing based on the grey. But that sounds like case closed.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 27, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
I imagined them as red as well!
I also imagined the 1910 dotted skirts-and-suspenders to be red, and I just compared the gray, and it does indeed seem like they were red!
I wonder, if someone took a bunch of fabric in all different colors, and laid it out with labels as to what color was what, and took a picture of it in black-and-white, then we could roughly tell what color OTMA's clothes were!
Maybe I'll do that, and post it. It would be an interesting experiment.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on July 30, 2010, 01:00:00 AM
....I wonder, if someone took a bunch of fabric in all different colors, and laid it out with labels as to what color was what, and took a picture of it in black-and-white, then we could roughly tell what color OTMA's clothes were!
Maybe I'll do that, and post it. It would be an interesting experiment. 
That would be interesting! When we pick colours to use , we are mostly guessing, but every bit helps!  Holly, were the skirts tinted blue?.... another guess
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Holly on July 30, 2010, 01:21:03 AM
The long, polka-dotted dresses OTMA wore circa 1911 were also red.

I'm not sure about the bottoms for these...
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on July 30, 2010, 12:00:13 PM
I tried out the experiment, but it didn't work very well because I couldn't get the whole layout I'd made in the scope of the camera, and I didn't have all the colors of fabric I wanted. But this is really strange: the navy blue piece of cloth turned out white! Very wierd indeed. I can post the photographs I took if you want, but they didn't turn out too well. I think I'll try again when I can go hunting around the house for more scrap cloth, but maybe it would work with colored pencil or paper, what do you think? Or...I could take a bunch of pictures of larger peices of cloth around our house, such as upolstry or clothes, that are colors I think NAOTMAA would have clothes etc. in. 
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: abbigail on July 31, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
That's a neat observation, blessOTMA. Kind of eerie in a way!
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on August 08, 2010, 08:11:28 PM
The long, polka-dotted dresses OTMA wore circa 1911 were also red.
It's fun to follow the clothes . Here are the dresses Holly is speaking of... Tatiana with the Tsar (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/th_papaandtanya.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/?action=view&current=papaandtanya.jpg)
and then Tatiana , Alexis and Olga with their young Hesse cousins .
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/th_cousians.png) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Olga%20Nikolaevna/?action=view&current=cousians.png)
also the blouses spoken about  the first posts , now worn with white skirts for tennis.
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/th_tennis.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/?action=view&current=tennis.jpg)
Plus  a blouse and shirt from a famous photo of Olga and  Tatiana during lessons with M. Gilliard, turns up on the tennis court
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/th_pokadot.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/?action=view&current=pokadot.jpg)
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/th_reddress.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/?action=view&current=reddress.jpg)

Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: rosieposie on August 09, 2010, 05:01:44 AM
I couldn't resist posting on this forum.  After browsing at the baby photothread.  I saw this pic of Baby Kaiser Willy.

(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/rosieposieAP/KaiserWhilem.jpg)

Look closer to his head.  Take note of what you think is a bow or something.   It's actually someone holding the baby's head.

(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/rosieposieAP/closeup.jpg)

Can anyone tell me how they removed the upper body of the one holdy Willly?
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Belochka on August 09, 2010, 07:03:59 AM

(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/rosieposieAP/closeup.jpg)

Can anyone tell me how they removed the upper body of the one holdy Willly?

Nice pick up!

If you look carefully you can see a small straight-cut flap of paper on the right side between the edge of the chair and the curtain. 

The overlaid paper appears to have been shaped to mimic a pillow while at the same time masking the person whose hands support the child's head.

Margarita
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Sarushka on August 09, 2010, 07:57:44 AM
More of the polka-dots:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_Benchdotsdog2.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/?action=view&current=Benchdotsdog2.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_Benchdotsdog.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/?action=view&current=Benchdotsdog.jpg)
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on August 09, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
Thanks Sarushka  I was looking for those! . They seemed connected to the first posts  because of the dog. There are also photos of Olga and her father and the Tsar's  suite playing with this animal. Which I have read was a stray they found..or Joy...same type of dog as Joy, but this dog didn't have Joy white marking on its face...it's not surprising  Anastasia has it by her on the bench . In  a photo of Olga and Marie in a boat , in the background Anastasia is with an officer  who is handling the dog .These blouses also show up during captivity at AP under the sweaters . And here is  a fun photo, upside down tennis dots (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_restingatAP.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/?action=view&current=restingatAP.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_upsidedowndots.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/?action=view&current=upsidedowndots.jpg)

Terrific catch rosieposie!
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: RussianLACE on August 30, 2010, 11:20:03 AM
because they seemed to wear the polka-dot blouses alot do you think they would have brought them to Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg with them?

also i heard that it has been discussed that the blouses were red. any idea what shade of red?
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on August 30, 2010, 11:36:36 AM
because they seemed to wear the polka-dot blouses alot do you think they would have brought them to Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg with them?
They may have, but there's  no way of knowing since we have no photo of them doing so. The last photo I know of  with OTMA wearing those blouses was taken in Spring of  '17.  One can see them under thier sweaters
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also i heard that it has been discussed that the blouses were red. any idea what shade of red?
I would guess a  cherry red ...but that is a guess of course.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on August 30, 2010, 12:24:54 PM
I don't think they would have been cherry red, too bold. More like a brick-ish red, h'm, let me find an example...
satisfactory example not found, but I imagined them being dark red, sort of dusty, but slightly bright... well, I think you get my point!  ;)
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on August 30, 2010, 03:34:19 PM
I don't think of cherry red as bright...guess it depends on one's idea of cherries! lol!
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on August 30, 2010, 03:41:31 PM
Well, it's funny, I always thought of the color cherry red as being bright, even though cherries aren't, but if you meant it literally, like the real color of cherries, then I guess I agree with you!   ;)
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: Sarushka on August 30, 2010, 07:46:18 PM
Aren't there hand-colored photos of those blouses in Anastasia's Album (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=3)? You might find them in the Anastasia photo-threads; I don't have scans myself.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: blessOTMA on August 31, 2010, 07:12:21 AM
Aren't there hand-colored photos of those blouses in Anastasia's Album (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=3)? You might find them in the Anastasia photo-threads; I don't have scans myself.
Thank you! Higher up Holly mentions they are redand says she knows  that because of AN clouring them. ....we are talking about what kind of red. It's great we have Anastasia's art work to tells us the colour. And it's fascinating that  colouring  Romanov black and white photos  is not new , but was done by a Romanov as well! 

A funny thing happened. A friend who sometimes comes by AP forum , wrote to me a big haHa! saying"  there was thread where they were discussing some polka dotted blouses !"  I said hmmmm...... did you see who was doing that? I'm in the thick of that one!  lol!  I explained it was interesting to follow something like those unusual blouses though the pictures...like a thread. 
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: nena on August 31, 2010, 08:13:56 AM
Aren't there hand-colored photos of those blouses in Anastasia's Album (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=3)? You might find them in the Anastasia photo-threads; I don't have scans myself.

I was about to say the same. However, Grand Duchess Ally once posted some colored photos of the IF, most likely colored by Grand Duchess Anastasia.
Title: Re: In a photo's background
Post by: EmmyLee on August 31, 2010, 02:57:34 PM
Great thread! Annie, you have such a good eye to connect those photos.

Rosieposie, that's a really interesting photo. Glancing at it, you'd never pay much attention to the hands.