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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) => Topic started by: Hector on October 23, 2010, 01:08:47 AM

Title: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Hector on October 23, 2010, 01:08:47 AM
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The Prince of Orange's mother, Queen Sophie of the Netherlands (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=5630.0), was an Anglophile and very, very keen on a marriage to one of Queen Victoria's daughters and Prince Albert was initially in favor of Alice marrying the heir to the Dutch throne. Both Alice and William were very indifferent to the idea though they were aware of their parents desires. The British and Dutch press often wrote about it.

Guess I've wondered about what would have happened if Prince Albert's original plan to marry Princess Alice to the Prince of Orange had happened. Hemophilia into the Dutch Royal Family. Would Nicholas II had married one of her daughters and would it have made a difference in Russian to non-German Dutch bride since so much much was made of Alexandra's German origins especially in World War II. Would they have a son and heir since the House of Orange in the male line died out in that generation? Princess Alice probably would have been beyond miserable in that marriage. Wonder if Edward VIII would have partied with the Prince of Orange the way he in the same seeing how miserable his marriage with his beloved sister was going? Would Alice have better the Prince of Orange? Would they both died young (she in 1878 and he in 1879)? There's a lot of "what if" in this.

This is what David Duff has to say in 'Hessian Tapestry' about the 'Orange Boy' and his subsequent history.
''What then, of the future of "the Orange Boy", who, of man's age, became "Citron" of the Paris boulevards?  Not long after the debacle with Princess Alice, he pondered on the possibilities of Princess Mary of Cambridge, with whom he had been at the theatre on the night when he had no eyes for the ballet girls.  He prepared another onslaught on London.
The thought of such an alliance filled Napoleon III with many misgivings.  Princess Mary's brother was British Commander-in-Chief.  Her family was, on her mother's side, strongly entrenched in Germany.  He decided that the marriage should not take place.  But he shelved the customary high level methods of other rulers, and employed more subtle means.  His plan was made easier when he learned that "Citron" was travelling to London via Paris.
There was laid across his route, as if by accident, one Elizabeth Cookson, a strumpet of great renown, who had once served in a New York whisky dive.  The trap proved even more successful than the Emperor had dared to hope.  Not only did the Prince delay his journey to England so that he might dally with Elizabeth, but he openly drove around with her in an orange coloured landau bearing the Royal Arms of Holland.  The news flashed around London and, when the Prince finally arrived there, he found all doors firmly closed.
Apparently unconcerned, the Prince returned to Paris and continued his love life with Miss Cookson.  The idyll was broken by the furious King of Holland, who cut off financial supplies.  The couple were quickly in debt.  It was Elizabeth who suggested the plan that she should go to the Hague and apeal to the King for help to relieve them of their pressing needs.  "Citron" agreed, and she took the train to Holland.'
The upshot was that she became his father's mistress, caused a hige scandal in Holland and departed a very rich woman with the deeds to an apparently worthless lead mine that the King had given her, which subsequently turned out to be very valuable!
The Orange Boy tried his hand for Pcss Louise, but Q.Victoria blocked that idea swiftly; other objects of his affection were an American heiress, Cora Pearl, the notorious courtesan, Lady Diana Beauclerk, daughter of the Duke of St Albans and finally Sarah Bernhardt.
He died in 1879, diabetic and very much a victim of his fast way of life.  In the words of Sir George Arthur, he died with no real enemy in the world except himself.

Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2010, 12:33:05 PM
I think in Gerald Noel's book it was speculated Alice would have liked the more progessive nature of the Netherlands than backward Darmstadt.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 25, 2010, 09:35:41 AM
alice`s wedding


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_wedding.jpg)





(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_wedding_1July1862_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 25, 2010, 09:36:24 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_wedding_1July1862_02.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_wedding_1July1862_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 25, 2010, 10:32:09 AM
sorry for the poor quality


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/princessalicewedding.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 26, 2010, 01:36:05 PM
alice`s bridal suit in osborne

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alicebridalsuiteosborne.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 29, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
Baby Alice with her sisters
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/babyalice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2010, 01:53:56 PM
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 31, 2010, 06:20:27 AM

 the picture was taken on 04.07.1861

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_4Jul1861.jpg)



the picture was taken on 08.12.1860

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_Prince_Louis_Duke_of_Hesse-Darmstadt_8Dec1860.jpg)



alice & louise at bertie`s wedding

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/aliceluoisebertieswedding.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 31, 2010, 08:30:20 AM
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)

That's interesting, so Alice didn't love Vicky is what your saying. That's sad. :(
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 31, 2010, 09:17:59 AM
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)

That's interesting, so Alice didn't love Vicky is what your saying. That's sad. :(


I think she DID love Vicky. Bertie, however, was not duly appreciated by his parents,he was never good enough, bave enough,cleve enough, intelligent enough and so on. He was neve as ggod as PA. And Vicky was intellectually superior. Alice became  drawn to him as she was so kind and merciful. Bertie was gateful to her and reciprocated her feelings. There was a profound bond between them . It`s hardly possible  to say that Alice didn
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on October 31, 2010, 09:20:13 AM
it`s hardly possible to say that Alice didn`t love Vicky. It`s better to postulate that Alice had diffeent sort of feeling towards Vicky and Bertie.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 31, 2010, 09:35:05 AM
its like mothers : you love all your children but always there will be a favorite ;-D
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on October 31, 2010, 10:20:07 AM
Thank youvoletta! However it was a tounge in cheek post  ;) from Eric's earlier nonsense one. I know full well that Vicky, Bertie & Alice all shared a special bond and they appeared to have loved it each deeply.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: wildone on October 31, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
it`s hardly possible to say that Alice didn`t love Vicky. It`s better to postulate that Alice had diffeent sort of feeling towards Vicky and Bertie.

I think if anything, Alice and Vicky developed more of a bond as they grew older and experienced the same circumstances (living in a foreign country, having a big family, husbands going off to war... sometimes with each other).  A lot of statements about Alice and Bertie's bond comes from their circumstances when they were young.  But it seems as though once Alice moved to Germany, she didn't see all that much of Bertie.  And when she did, she might have felt that his world was very different from hers.

By the way, was that picture drawn by Victoria or Albert?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 05:00:34 PM
I think Alice was more close to Bertie because he was suffering more under their parents rule. Vicky was the favouite child and Bertie was the problem child. It is easy to see why Alice bonded with Bertie as she felt he needed more of her support. Vicky in the nursery days was quite the know-it-all. Later Alice was able to bond with Vicky on another level when both sisters married into German States. It was a credit to Alice that she was not able to inspire love & respect from even Willy (who adored the relaxed household in Darmastdt) but also from her German hating sister-in-law Alexandra who when heard about Alice's demise cried "I wish I had died instead of her."
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 01, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
this is exactly what i said in my yesterday post on alice-vicky-bertie relationship,eric !
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2010, 05:12:53 PM
Yes. But Alice was his favourite sister and the only one who (with Alexandra) nursed him back to health through his near death sickness. The same cannot be said of Vicky.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on November 01, 2010, 07:32:01 PM
Wasn't Vicky prohibited from going to England by Wilhelm I? Her movements were much more circumscribed than Alice's. Wilhelm frequently prohobited travels to England or forbade her to take the children if she did go. It was published in letters between Victoria/Vicky in the books by Roger Fulford.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 01, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
Wasn't Vicky prohibited from going to England by Wilhelm I? Her movements were much more circumscribed than Alice's. Wilhelm frequently prohobited travels to England or forbade her to take the children if she did go. It was published in letters between Victoria/Vicky in the books by Roger Fulford.


I read about that in Uncommon Woman. Sometimes she was denied a possibility to go to her mother for 2 or even three years.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: wildone on November 01, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
It was a credit to Alice that she was not able to inspire love & respect from even Willy (who adored the relaxed household in Darmastdt)

Where did you read that?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2010, 11:14:38 AM
I read it in John Rohl's biography of Wilhelm. He adored his aunt's more relaxed household.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 08, 2010, 03:10:15 PM
Lovely illustration of Alice's family
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/hessefamily.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 09, 2010, 10:19:20 AM
This was of course based on a photo. The interesting thing is that it includes Alicky & May.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 09, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
Sure! It is a composited family portrait
Alice's deathbed :-(
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/alice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2010, 10:58:22 AM
Another illustration. I don't think there was a dead photo of Alice.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 10, 2010, 02:52:57 PM
Of course, it's an illustration. I never said that it was a photo.
Baby Alice
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Royalty/alice-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
I don't think she had one done (photo or drawing) more imaginary...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 04:58:39 PM
What I admire about Princess Alice was the fact that she was a patroness of numerous societies. In some cases she was far ahead of her time having taken care of the causes that few people even dared to speak of publicly. I`m sure her mother didn`t approve some of her activities because they were connected with human phisiology that the Queen detested so much. BUt Alice gently pursued her way disregarding (very probable? protests from QV.

1. She was a patroness of the asylum for blind people.

2. 21.11.1863 she wrote to QV
   
To-day I am going to visit the hospital in the
   town, which is said not to be good or well looked
   after. I want to be able to do something for it, and
   hope to succeed, for the people have plenty of
   money, only not the will. The Burgomaster and
   Gemeinderath [the Town Councillors] will meet me
   there.
   
   I have just called into life what did not exist —
   that is, linen to be lent for the poor women in their
   confinements, and which I hope will be of use to
   those classes.
   


I can just imagine how detested QV must have been if one remembers how repulsed she was about pregnancies. And her own daughter was to go the dirty disgusting hospital where poor women were to give birth to their children.


Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 05:17:35 PM
Princess Christian i.e. Helena of Schleswig-Holstein about Alice`s activities:

But in spite of the many social duties and distractions in which the Princess took an active part, she never lost sight of more serious duties and pursuits. She became the " Pro-
tectress " of the " Heidenreich Institution for Lying- in Women," which was the beginning of the active interest afterward taken by her in all sanitary im-provements. This interest was heightened by the birth of her second daughter, who was born on the 1st of November, 1864, and christened on the 28th of that month, receiving the names of Elizabeth
Alexandra Louise Alice. The Princess was very proud of being able to nurse her child herself, and from this time she took up with the keenest interest
all questions relating to the physical, mental, and moral training of children. She found an able sup- porter and independent adviser in Dr. Weber, a very eminent medical man, resident at Darmstadt.
   


Princess Alice to QV, 05.03.1864 (


I will tell you of something I did the other day ; but please tell no one, because not a soul but Louis and my ladies know of it here. I am the patroness of the " Heidcnreich Stiftung," to which you also gave a handsome present in the beginning. The ladies who belong to it go to bring linen to poor respectable women in child-bed, who claim
their assistance. They bring them food, and, in short, help them. All cases are reported to me. The other day I went to one incognito, with Christa, in the old part of the town — and the trouble we had to find the house ! At length, through a dirty court- yard, up a dark ladder into one little room, where lay in one bed the poor woman and her baby ; in the room four other children, the husband, two other beds, and a stove. But it did not smell bad. nor was it dirty. I sent Christa down with the children, then with the husband cooked something" for the woman ; arranged her bed a little, took her baby for her, bathed its eyes — for they were so bad, poor little thing ! — and did odds and ends for her. I went twice. The people did not know me, and were so nice, so good and touchingly attached to each other ; it did one's heart good to see such good feelings in poverty. The husband was out of work, the chil-
dren too young to go to school, and they had only four kreuzers in the house when she was confined. Think of that misery and discomfort !
If one never sees any poverty, arid always lives in that cold circle of Court people, one's good feel- ings dry up, and I felt the want of going about and doing the little good that is in my power. I am sure you will understand this.



Alice to QV 06.03.1865

I have read and studied a great deal about the human body ; about children — their treatment, etc. It interests me immensely. Besides, it is always useful to know such things, so that one is not perfectly ignorant of the reasons why doctors wish one to do certain things, and why not. In any moment of illness, before there is time for a doctor to come, one can be able to help one's self a little. I know you don't like these things, and where one is surrounded
by such as dear Sir James [Clark] and Dr. Jenner, it is perfectly unnecessary and pleasanter not to know a good deal. Instead of findino- it disirustinor. it only fills me with admiration to see how wonderlully we are made.
   
   
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 05:39:19 PM

I`ve underlined a few lines testifying how progressive she was in her thinking. I think it`s important and still valid nowadays here , in Poland, where Catholic church tries to interfere with people`s lives or even private lives. Alice shows very clearly that medical issues and religion are to be separated. Now in Poland politicians  discuss  the law on in vitro, i.e. extracorpoal insemination. Catholic church strongly opposes extracorporal insemination on the grounds that it`s murder(!), that a child should be a result of love-making of his/her children, an act of God  and a lot of similar nonsense. Church denies Polish citizens their basic human rights i.e. to have children, to choose whether to adopt a child or undergo extracorpoal insemination or undego  any other treatment. Chuch officials even threaten that parents of such children won`t be able to recieve communion(!!!). Some priests declare that children who were conceived in a laboratory are "worse" or inferior" So when I read about Alice`s attitude towards medical issues I thought that she was much more ahead of some of our contemporaries.


Princess Christian about Alice`s activities in 1866

Princess Alice attended some very interesting lectures on the necessity of providing special asylums for poor idiots, delivered by a very clever and enter- prising " orthodox " clergyman from the Odenwald. She took up the idea most warmly, and determined to found such an institution herself, but in doing this found herself face to face with very serious difficul- ties. The lecturer and those who sided with him wished that any institution of this kind should bear a strictly religious stamp. The Princess did not agree in this view. She wished to separate the religious from the practical part of the work. She wished people to feel, that they were bound to help to alleviate sickness and suffering (in whatever form) out of mere love to their fellow-creatures, and not only as the fulfilment of a religious duty. While the Princess always acknowledged the value of re- ligious motives in carrying out works of charity, she felt strongly, in this particular case, that the treatment of idiots should be left to the medical profession, without any foreign interference. A committee was formed of persons who shared the Princess' views, and who were commissioned by her to take the necessary steps for carrying out her plans. By far the most difficult part of the work fell to her own share — namely, that of finding the necessary funds. To obtain these she organized a Bazaar in her new palace. This was a totally novel pro- ceeding in Germany, and well calculated to attract a large number of visitors. The Bazaar was opened on the 6th of April, and lasted four days. The Princess and Prince Louis and her brother, Prince Alfred, took an active part in it. The result surpassed utmost expectations, a success mainly due to her own personal efforts, and to the charm which she exercised over all. At the close of the Bazaar she was not only able to announce that she had realized the sum of 1 6,000 florins, but that she had also gained the conviction that the whole country supported her in her undertaking. In spite of the success of this Bazaar, the Princess was in later years opposed to a repetition of such an expedient, as she felt — what many do — that people
often come on such occasions for their own personal amusement rather than to aid the charity.




And also she felt that for some people attending a charity bazaar was a sort of entertainment. Isn`t it true nowadays?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 06:16:35 PM
Princess Christian summarized Alice`s activities in 1867 i.e. her efforts to organize nurse training. And again one can see that she clearly separates medical training and medical services fro religion. It`s hard to imagine for me now, living in Catholic Poland but in the 21st century, that a woman can see it very clearly that church and its priests have to carry out their religious duties and that`s what they are supposed to do. Everyday life,including medical services, and church have to be separated. and alice instinctively knew this.


The Princess was deeply interested in this question — indeed, her whole attention had been directed to it since the beofinnincr of the war, after she had seen what was done in Baden under the direction of the Grand Duchess. She had also before her the example of Florence Nightingale, and the good she had done durinof and after the Crimean war. The Princess was naturally fond of nursing, and of all that had to do with it, and she therefore eagerly took up the idea of founding a Frauen-Verein, or "Ladies' Union" — an idea which, under her au- spices, was soon most successfully carried out. She wished lay women and ladies of all classes to join in this undertaking, so that the nursing should not be confined, as heretofore, to religious orders only. After much consultation a committee was formed in 1867, consisting of six ladies and four doctors, with the Princess as President. The central committee of the " Ladies' Union " was to be at Darmstadt, under the Princess' direction. The other committees spread over the whole country. Its object was to assist " the nursing and supporting of the troops in times of war," and in times of peace to " train nurses, to assist other hospitals, or amongst the poor, or to nurse the rich " — in fact, to help wherever help was required. In 1868 the members belonging to the " Ladies' Union " had greatly increased, and in 1869 they reached the number of 2,5oo.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2010, 07:08:37 PM
Thanks for the info. I guess Alicky mixed it ip. Had Alice been alive she might give her more advice from her own experience.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 07:40:20 PM
Princess Christian summarizes Alice`s activities of 1867

Well, I think thinking about girl`s education in 1867 was really something. Education was denied to women for a few  decades to come. Upper-class women had access to education but what about the rest?the poor?the lower  middle-class? Alice thought (and actually put this into practice) as early as 1867

At the time the Princess started this undertaking she was also much occupied with another all-engross- ing subject — the improvement of the condition of poor unmarried women and girls, as well as the the education of girls in general. she found anable assistant in Fraulein Louise Biichner — a most distinguished authoress, and the champion of women's rights, more particularly of the higher education of women.


According to princess christian, "All institutions for art had a great attraction for her, and she took up the idea most warmly of founding Schools of Design in her own country, as she hoped they would exercise a good influence there."


Alice to QV, 28.02.1867

Yesterday we had a very interesting lecture in our house about Art in Venice, by a young Swede [Herr von Molin], who has been studying three years in Italy. We had the room full of people, artists, and professors, who liked to listen.




 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 12, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
in 1869 , on 15.10, the opening of the Idiot Asylum built by the Princess took place on the  in her presence and that of the Prince.

account of princess christian, prusso-french war

Ever since the Prince's departure the Princess had remained " at her post " in Darmstadt, helping, com- forting, and advising all around her. She was proud to be the wife of a German officer serving in the field in such a cause, though her life for the present was full of anxiety and care. She worked, like any other woman, to alleviate as best she could    the sufferings of the sick and the wounded, and giving    aid to those who were plunged into destitution by the war. Whilst she was living with her children at Kranichstein the " Hidfsvereiii," or Committee of Aid, had its headquarters in her palace at Darm- stadt. She herself went there every day, visited all the hospitals, also the ambulances at the railway sta-tion, and superintended the organization of " Com- mittees of Aid " all over the country. The Committees which she had organized long previously now proved themselves an untold blessing.
The " Alice Society for Aid to Sick and Wounded " had sixteen trained nurses ready for work at the be- ginning of the war. Through the voluntary help of some of the best doctors and surgeons, who arranged    classes at different places for the instruction    all those who were anxious to help to nurse during the war, the number of nurses was increased by
degrees to one hundred and sixty-four. These were   sent to the different hospitals in Hesse, to ambulances near Metz, to the hospital trains, and the hospitals on the steamers.    
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 13, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
alice (and louise) with ther first child victoria


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alicewithvictoria.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alicewithvictoria13061864.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alice6.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on November 14, 2010, 04:24:51 AM
Here's some pictures of Alice and family that i found in my photobucket

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Hesse%20children/HESSEFAMILYSHD-1.jpg)
Alice and Louis with Victoria, Elisabeth and baby Irene

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Hesse%20children/Aliceandkinder.jpg)
Alice and Louis with Victoria and baby Elisabeth

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Queen%20Victorias%20children/childos.jpg)
Alice with her younger siblings

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Queen%20Victorias%20children/n1600200039_7262_9173.jpg)
Alice with her sisters
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 10:45:15 AM
I wonder if Princess Alice's letters to her brothers & sisters (like Bertie & Vicky survived or not ?). I don't think that they were published ? I think the only one that was published was between Alice & her mother.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Helen on November 18, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
Their letters to Alice did survive, that's for sure. The Hesse State Archive in Darmstadt has several hundreds of them. Unpublished, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 18, 2010, 11:45:13 AM
Sketch of Alice as a bridesmaid, 1850s.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2484/d4860704x.jpg) (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/d4860704x.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 11:52:28 AM
Would love to work on those letters someday.  ;)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Helen on November 18, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Well, go ahead!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Money darling ! If only I can do it...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Helen on November 18, 2010, 01:39:21 PM
Ever considered a fundraising campaign?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: wildone on November 19, 2010, 01:48:01 AM
It makes me wonder if there could likewise be a stack of letters from Alice to her mother and siblings.  I know Beatrice burned a lot of QV's correspondence, but she can't have found everything.  There could be a treasure trove of letters in some nondescript box in a Balmoral attic somewhere. 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on November 19, 2010, 06:10:39 AM
It would be nice to see more letters from Alice. Hopefully someday in the future they will be made public.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
They will need work, editing and knioting them togather like Roger Fulford did for Vicky's & her mother's correspondence.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 24, 2010, 11:32:22 AM
i think this picture was painted posthumously i.e. after alice`s death.is this so?

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_Family_Grand_Duke_of_Hesse_1879.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on November 24, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
No, it was painted (at least mostly) while she was alive. Alice wrote of the sittings to Queen Victoria. It may have had the finishing touches put on it after Alice's death though since it's final date is 1879 according to the Royal Collection.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2010, 12:44:41 PM
Alice (courtesy: stevengraph4u)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/PrincessAlice.jpg)
Another portrait
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/aliceUK.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on November 24, 2010, 02:23:10 PM
No, it was painted (at least mostly) while she was alive. Alice wrote of the sittings to Queen Victoria. It may have had the finishing touches put on it after Alice's death though since it's final date is 1879 according to the Royal Collection.


it was the final date that made me think that it was a posthumous picture painted on the basis of pictures or previous paintings
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 25, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
Lovely! This reminds me the portrait of her sister Victoria!!
Touching... Alice reading a book for her father (I wonder if he was close to his death on this)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/alicealbert.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2010, 08:30:28 AM
She also played the piano for her father.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on November 29, 2010, 02:40:55 AM
Lovely! This reminds me the portrait of her sister Victoria!!
Touching... Alice reading a book for her father (I wonder if he was close to his death on this)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/VictorianGowns/alicealbert.jpg)

Well he definately doesnt look to well in that drawing, but he may be sleeping.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: bonbon823 on November 29, 2010, 07:38:25 AM
And the Prince is shown wearing a suit...I'm thinking the artist did that for respect and modesty?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2010, 11:18:02 AM
Yes. I think I saw another in his night shirt...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on December 12, 2010, 05:03:13 AM
alice & victoria in 1852


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_Victoria_left_1852.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2010, 12:27:12 PM
They looked so cute...but so different in so many ways.  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on December 13, 2010, 08:30:19 PM



with her husband,brother bertie and sister-in-law alix of denmark

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/alicealizludwigbertie.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: miki_nastya on December 14, 2010, 04:25:17 AM
Today is 132 years since alice death...RIP
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2010, 04:47:13 PM
RIP for that brilliant princess !
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 14, 2010, 05:12:16 PM
Rest in Peace. It's a pity she never got to see her daughters get married, or have children.  :(
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 14, 2010, 05:51:53 PM
Had she lived, Alicky would not have turned out as she was. The influences of Margaret Jackson would have been checked by Alice's example.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on December 14, 2010, 10:11:26 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/225938719zlzeOh_ph.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on December 14, 2010, 10:19:18 PM
Rest in peace, sweet, dearest and intelligent princess!
RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2010, 01:08:55 PM
She is my favourite of QV's daughters.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on December 16, 2010, 07:55:23 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/grandduchessofhesse.jpg)


with her sister vicky

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/vickyalice.jpg)


with her husband and 2 elder daughters

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/aliceluoisechildren.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Princess Alice looked very serious in the pictures. Her son Ernie said actually Alice loves to laugh and have great sense of humor...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Russka Princess on December 24, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
i think the whole family have a great sense of humour.. think of Ludwig IV, Ella, ernie and VHM they has a great sense of humour..i dont know how it is by Alix and Irene but i think they was funny (sometimes too)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 26, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
I think Alicky too has a sense of humour (that was before her marriage into Russia).
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 27, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Currently for sale on ebay: page with signatures of various Hohenzollers/Badens including Alice and Louis of Hesse

(http://www.antique-world-art.com/images/A015/1a.JPG)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2010, 02:38:09 PM
Are you going for it ?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: blessOTMA on December 27, 2010, 09:58:15 PM
i think this picture was painted posthumously i.e. after alice`s death.is this so?

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice_Family_Grand_Duke_of_Hesse_1879.jpg)

it would seem so ...and imo, this photo was used

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Somewhere/th_alixherfather.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Somewhere/alixherfather.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on December 27, 2010, 10:50:51 PM
Von Angeli arrived in the spring of 1878 to work on the painting. He took a good number of photographs. Most of the work was completed before the Grand Duchess died that year. Alice wrote several letters to Queen Victoria detailing the sitting and why they picked the chilren they died--Victoria being 'too big' for instance though being the eldest she should have been in, she would have been 'too preponderant. Also that von Angeli was quite 'quite lost in admiration of Aliky and May'.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: blessOTMA on December 28, 2010, 12:43:42 AM
grandduchessella, thank you for that info! 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: larri* on December 28, 2010, 08:13:47 AM
Four portraits of little Alice from the Royal Collection:

Princess Alice when 11 months old:
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8458/181844princessalicewhen.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/181844princessalicewhen.jpg/)

Close up:
(http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/8458/181844princessalicewhen.jpg) (http://img574.imageshack.us/i/181844princessalicewhen.jpg/)

In 1845:
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2370/271845princessalice.jpg) (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/271845princessalice.jpg/)

In ca1847:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5796/451847caprincessalice.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/451847caprincessalice.jpg/)

Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 28, 2010, 10:38:24 AM
I love the 1845 one, just adorable!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: wildone on December 28, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
Alice wrote several letters to Queen Victoria detailing the sitting and why they picked the chilren they died--Victoria being 'too big' for instance though being the eldest she should have been in, she would have been 'too preponderant.

What I find odd about her statement is that in 1878, Ella was clearly taller than Alice, and maybe taller than Victoria.  Yet she was included and Victoria wasn't.  In the painting, it looks as though she is leaning on the chair in order to appear shorter than she really was.  Why couldn't they have had Victoria do that?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2010, 02:03:59 PM
Maybe just by looking at photographs.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on January 06, 2011, 11:50:49 AM

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/Alice.jpg)


a similar picture must have been posted.

te reason for princess alice`s everlasting popularity and her legend that is still alive is simple. people need legends, people need figures that they look up to, people need a myth that would enliven their everyday existence. princess alice was young,beautiful, kind and melancholic. She was famous for her numerous charities and merciful nature. She was so ethereal and seemed to exist on the border between the two realms:the mundane and the elevated.  and suddenly the life of such a creature is brutally interrupted. people couln`t help being affected by her death. so untimely death! besides, there were 5 sad orphaned children. creation of the legend was the direct consequence  of people`s emotional needs. and there is nothing wrong with that.

edgar allan poe said in his "Philosophy of Composition" (of course, I`m paraphrasing) : "The death of a young beautiful woman is the most beautiful thing". He was a Romantic writer.And in many of his short stories e.g. Morella, Ligeia and Berenika, the death of a young beautiful woman is the starting point of the story
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on January 13, 2011, 06:39:30 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/aliceofhesse1.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/aliceofhesse2.jpg)


2 new (for me) pictures
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: violetta on January 13, 2011, 06:49:26 AM


sorry for the size.with her sister victoria.does anyone have it bigger?

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/avicky.jpg)


with her family, after the death of frittie

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/grduchessalice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: THERRY on January 13, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1998/aliceandsistervicky1.jpg) (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/aliceandsistervicky1.jpg/)
I found this  :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on January 13, 2011, 12:54:39 PM
The previous 2 photos (as well as many, many other great photos) can be found in Queen Victoria's Family by Charlotte Zeepvat. It's a GREAT book.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2011, 01:18:23 PM
Yes. Great books to be had !
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 24, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
Particularly with Vicki and Alice right next to each other, Wilhelm II far more resembles his aunt than his mother.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2011, 02:37:36 PM
Baby Alice asleep, this was made as a gift for her mother QV
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/AncientRoyalty/AliceRC.jpg)

Courtesy: royalcollection
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on April 18, 2011, 02:50:53 AM
Joseph Hartmann: Grand Duchess Alice with her daughters Victoria and Elisabeth. 1866. Schlossmuseum Darmstadt

In 1904 Elisabeth, by now Grand Duchess Serge of Russia, comissioned the Hessian court painter H.R.Kröh to copy the painting for her. Another copy is part of the British Royal Collection

(http://www.schlossmuseum-darmstadt.de/bilder/alice.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sara Araújo on April 25, 2011, 09:29:53 AM
From the Royal Collection:

Aged 10, with her brothers:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=princess+alice&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=2900011&row=18

Close up:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAABTFfBp14bDaWB7B10NkoAyZ85NAqdvSb0DyfGBjcP--gukrxxCSjLdfR9IzkSjOILiAb3bLz6Jz306ZECn9DI8Am1T1UAMJ_otvtFZluo9bHrSzW7VtvFhJ.jpg)

With her sister Vicky a few days latter:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=princess+alice&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=2905990&row=20

With her mother, grandmother and brother, 1856:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=princess+alice&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=2932493&row=23
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 25, 2011, 10:04:52 AM
Im afraid that the girl  with the costume is Victoria, not Alice.

This is Alice

(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/5700/unled7s.jpg) (http://img863.imageshack.us/i/unled7s.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: CountessKate on April 25, 2011, 10:15:03 AM
The photograph in the last link is of Princess Alice with her mother and brother and Mary Duchess of Gloucester who was her great aunt, not her grandmother.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on April 26, 2011, 02:33:38 AM
In the last photo is not Alice but one of her brothers - I think The Prince of Wales.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: RealAnastasia on April 27, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
Yes. Besides, the child has a boy hairdo.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: wildone on April 27, 2011, 01:38:20 AM
They were all in costume, though.  This wouldn't be the first time the girls had worn male outfits.  What I'm wondering is who the child on the far right is.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: AnnieB on April 27, 2011, 05:36:02 AM
The child on the far right is Helena and the child on the far left is Alice.  See "about this work of art" on the Royal Collection website and it gives you the details of the children in the photograph (and which characters they are dressed as).  I think Alice looks just like Bertie when dressed as a boy!

AnnieB
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2011, 02:03:17 PM
Saved from The Royal Collection
Alice
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/pssalicia.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 11, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
It took me awhile but I finally read every thread in all 3 Princess Alice posts!  I would love to keep this going---she is my favorite!!  My question is does anyone have a picture with the whole family including Frittie? I'm interested in little Frittie( I know he was just 2 1/2 years old when he passed) he was still a familly member.   What was he like who was he close to?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2012, 03:08:16 PM
I read he was close to Ernie, his only brother...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sunny on January 12, 2012, 12:56:24 AM
It took me awhile but I finally read every thread in all 3 Princess Alice posts!  I would love to keep this going---she is my favorite!!  My question is does anyone have a picture with the whole family including Frittie? I'm interested in little Frittie( I know he was just 2 1/2 years old when he passed) he was still a familly member.   What was he like who was he close to?

Here you go!

Ludwig, Alice, Victoria, Elisabeth & Frittie (i'm sorry for bad quality)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/1870aliceludevef.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/1870aliceludevef.jpg/)

Here Alice&Ludwig are missing, but i post it anyway ^^
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/1872vef.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/1872vef.jpg/)

That's all I have alas :( (i'm a OTMA fan much more than a Hessian one, so i don't have many Hessian photos, I admit).
Hope you enjoyed!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2012, 09:11:39 AM
It would be interesting if Frittie survived & grew up. He would have been an interesting person.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 12, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
Sunny-- thanks, for the wonderful pictures.  Do you speak Russian?  Eric, I agree I think Frittie would have been an interesting person and nice to have another male in family.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sunny on January 12, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
Sunny-- thanks, for the wonderful pictures.  Do you speak Russian?

I've studied it at a high level, but now i'm a bit rusty ^___^ but i understand it quite well
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2012, 05:32:43 PM
Thinking of going to Stanford to do some research.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 12, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
I have studied russian too---it has been awhile as well.  I love any chance to read it!  Eric, research sounds good---
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sunny on January 13, 2012, 12:47:21 AM
I have studied russian too---it has been awhile as well.  I love any chance to read it!

I'm going to order a book about Nicholas II that only exists in Russian, on a Russian site - i's a big book, but i think i'll work through it somehow, LOL
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 13, 2012, 10:44:17 AM
That is impressive!  Let me know how that goes for you.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Petr on January 13, 2012, 11:39:12 AM
Thinking of going to Stanford to do some research.

The Hoover Library is great.

Petr
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 19, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
I'm reading Princess Alice   --Queen Victoria's forgotten daughter. This is a wonderful book...I savor every word!  I am  amazed at the good works Alice did in Darmstadt in the mid 1860s.  She not only worked at getting women an opportunity to make their own money, she helped the developmentally disabled people!  I love her!!!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
Yes. I think she was more intelligent and deeper person than any of her sisters.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 20, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
I think her daughter Victoria was most like her. 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Riedesel on January 21, 2012, 11:29:14 AM
Hello po3a,
one of the fine things Alice did in Darmstadt was to found an order of nursing sisters which eventually became the Alice Hospital.
http://www.alice-hospital.de/geschichte.html (http://www.alice-hospital.de/geschichte.html)
I am currently lying in bed in this fine hospital waiting for a minor surgery. Everywhere one can see reminders of the Princess and her good works here.

greetings
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sunny on January 21, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
Hello po3a,
one of the fine things Alice did in Darmstadt was to found an order of nursing sisters which eventually became the Alice Hospital.
http://www.alice-hospital.de/geschichte.html (http://www.alice-hospital.de/geschichte.html)
I am currently lying in bed in this fine hospital waiting for a minor surgery. Everywhere one can see reminders of the Princess and her good works here.

greetings

Hope you'll be better soon and the surgery will be ok! My best wishes (do you say this in english?)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: po3a on January 21, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
I have been reading about all of Alice's good works.  Thank you for taking time to show me the Alice hospital site---I had no idea that her excellent influence continues! 
I hope all went well with your surgery and that you are feeling better~
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on May 11, 2012, 07:42:25 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7179291714_e5fc08f13d_z.jpg)

Alice.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Sunny on May 12, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
Dru, that's lovely!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2012, 12:51:28 AM
The lace especially...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 04, 2012, 03:01:31 AM
Courtesy of the Royal Collection.

Princess Alice in 1862

(http://nd05.jxs.cz/303/498/b8152cd269_86104528_o2.jpg)

(http://nd05.jxs.cz/869/756/7dee0b2bdf_86104536_o2.jpg)

(http://nd05.jxs.cz/063/432/3cc6432138_86104539_o2.jpg)

I find these photos rather unusual, especially the first one, in the sense they actually looks hauntingly alive. Usually Alice in photos seem to "blend" into the background, as her eyes rarely met the camera, instead they used to wander around, be half-closed or completely unseen. But this first photo here just gave me chills when I saw it.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Svetabel on June 04, 2012, 05:20:17 AM
Please do credit the Royal Collection if you post their pictures. I don't think they would be happy about the spreading their images without crediting them.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 04, 2012, 05:41:29 AM
Of course, I´m sorry. Can you modify my post stating the Royal collection as the source, please? Thank you.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 04, 2012, 07:41:33 AM
Indeed. I wonder how much they post on their sites already ?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Russka Princess on June 04, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
If i look at Alice´s face i see so much of her daugthers.. Victorias eyes, Irenes nose, Ellas tenderness, Alix shynes.. Their daugthers look so much like her...So beautifull
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Veronica on June 04, 2012, 05:26:37 PM
I would like to add that those photos were taken by Prince Alfred.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: blessOTMA on June 04, 2012, 09:17:12 PM
If i look at Alice´s face i see so much of her daugthers.. Victorias eyes, Irenes nose, Ellas tenderness, Alix shynes.. Their daughters look so much like her...So beautiful
And  beautifully said! Also, Veronica , thank you for that information
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2012, 08:19:50 AM
You mean Alfred Duke of Edinburgh & Coburg...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 09, 2012, 04:07:24 PM
Please do credit the Royal Collection if you post their pictures. I don't think they would be happy about the spreading their images without crediting them.

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I don't think they want them spread at all since they've attempted to disable some downloading ability. It would probably be best to just post links to the relevant photos. That should avoid the problem, allow the photos to be shared (as they are wonderful) and, in the future, if the photos become disabled it would prevent the endless red x boxes we have on just about every post.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on August 24, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7257/7853945714_57e7ce1d2c_b.jpg)

The best image I've seen of the memorial to Alice and her daughter Marie (May).  Download for full size.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 25, 2012, 10:14:34 AM
Yes. I think they open the place where the tomb is and let people see it during the year.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on November 02, 2012, 02:10:17 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8469/8148438973_713f2f4138_z.jpg)

Does anyone have a fuller/larger version of this painting?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2012, 03:07:56 PM
A bridesmaid look at Vicky's wedding ?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: THERRY on November 02, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
From the "Royal Collection" http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2v2757p.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on November 02, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
Thank you so much, THERRY! :)

Eric, the portrait was painted in 1860; I don't recall what year Vicky was married. 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2012, 10:30:22 AM
She is seen here wearing the Albert sapphire brooch and the Victorian Family orders.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: bednayaliza on January 06, 2013, 10:27:38 AM
(http://s13.radikal.ru/i186/1301/93/dc0c114113fat.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s13.radikal.ru/i186/1301/93/dc0c114113fa.jpg.html)

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i635/1301/f2/5be95340aa26t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s019.radikal.ru/i635/1301/f2/5be95340aa26.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: bednayaliza on January 06, 2013, 10:32:54 AM
(http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357.jpg.html)


(http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/1301/0e/83aef00733b2t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s57.radikal.ru/i158/1301/0e/83aef00733b2.jpg.html)


(http://s020.radikal.ru/i704/1301/fa/16dfbb59df90t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s020.radikal.ru/i704/1301/fa/16dfbb59df90.jpg.html)

(http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/1301/a6/4870aa74e853t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s41.radikal.ru/i093/1301/a6/4870aa74e853.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2013, 01:46:40 PM
Prince Albert's pet name for Alice was "Fatima" but it was not taken up in the next generation as "Vicky" or "Bertie"...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Gabriella on January 06, 2013, 04:07:13 PM
From the "Royal Collection" http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/

http://i47.tinypic.com/2v2757p.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/2v2757p.jpg)

I am a bit astonished. The portrait of Alice looks so unusal and modern for it's time. Does anyone know eho's the painter?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 06, 2013, 04:55:15 PM
The Painter is  Eduardo de Moira and it was painted in 1860

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/421039/princess-alice-1843-1878-later-grand-duchess-of-hesse

And its a miniature. Awesome!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Veronica on January 06, 2013, 05:03:30 PM
There is a different version, painted because Prince Albert didn't like the first one very much:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/421038/princess-alice-1843-1878-later-grand-duchess-of-hesse
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on January 06, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
There is a different version, painted because Prince Albert didn't like the first one very much:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/421038/princess-alice-1843-1878-later-grand-duchess-of-hesse

Do you have a download-able version of this image? 
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: bednayaliza on January 06, 2013, 05:50:54 PM
Dru, I've just posted this version   http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357.jpg (http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on January 06, 2013, 06:37:23 PM
Dru, I've just posted this version   http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357.jpg (http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/1301/1c/9659a5aa9357.jpg)

Thank you, bednayaliza!  It's absolutely beautiful! :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2013, 11:09:38 PM
Very good likeness of Alice. She always look sort of thin.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 24, 2013, 07:20:10 AM

(http://s020.radikal.ru/i704/1301/fa/16dfbb59df90t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s020.radikal.ru/i704/1301/fa/16dfbb59df90.jpg.html)


Which of Alice´s children is the baby? Ernie? (I assume so because of the blue ribbons, but it´s just a shot in the dark)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 24, 2013, 11:58:15 PM
I think it is Victoria.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 25, 2013, 07:10:19 AM
Eric is right. Its Victoria

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/420328/princess-alice-princess-louis-of-hesse-1843-1878-with-princess
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
The picture was based on a photo that I have seen before. The hairstyle is a giveaway too.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on November 15, 2013, 06:35:49 PM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/10877577076_91bc5a4e85_o.jpg)

Alice, originally by Winterhalter..  From the Royal Collection.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Kassafrass on June 06, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
I find myself slowly falling in love with Alice while reading the first chapter of Four Sisters. What a progressive woman...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on June 10, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
Here's a picture I havent seen before. Alice with her children.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/tumblr_n6z0anGjID1tc6ouio1_500_zpsed39340c.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/mashka1899/media/tumblr_n6z0anGjID1tc6ouio1_500_zpsed39340c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 15, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
It's from the Royal Collection but doesn't give any info as to what they were doing. It looks like a royal version of camping. :)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2014, 08:46:55 PM
Princess Alice was very good at communicating with her children on their level, Ernie once said people do not realize how much fun she was with them.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on September 17, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5583/15270255245_24f63a8853_o.jpg)

Alice as a child, by Winterhalter.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: THERRY on December 22, 2014, 05:21:45 AM
I've never seen before this painting!
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2014, 06:51:34 AM
Actually quite well known and reproduced in books before.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on December 22, 2014, 06:11:43 PM
Well, it's pretty, anyway, and it wasn't posted here before, so I thought I'd share...
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2014, 09:19:01 PM
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: jfkhaos on April 22, 2016, 04:22:36 PM
Is the portrait on the wall at the top right of this photo a portrait of Princess Alice? This is from a picture of the interior of the Cambridge apartment in Kensington Palace.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/I/pix/2016/04/22/20/3372F1B400000578-3554403-image-a-86_1461353532709.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Dru on April 24, 2016, 12:08:11 PM
Is the portrait on the wall at the top right of this photo a portrait of Princess Alice? This is from a picture of the interior of the Cambridge apartment in Kensington Palace.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/I/pix/2016/04/22/20/3372F1B400000578-3554403-image-a-86_1461353532709.jpg)

The image isn't showing up.  Could you try posting again, and I will see if I can tell?
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: jfkhaos on April 24, 2016, 02:39:01 PM
Here's the link to the pic....

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/22/20/3372F1B400000578-3554403-image-a-86_1461353532709.jpg
Title: Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
Post by: Ally Kumari on April 25, 2016, 08:26:40 AM
Yes, it is Alice and it is this portrait (at least I believe so)

(http://www.gogmsite.net/_Media/princess-alice-bridesmaid-4.jpeg)