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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2010, 06:35:48 AM

Title: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2010, 06:35:48 AM
(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/579015helen.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=579015helen.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Did Helen got to visit England again in her later years ? I am interested where she lived after she sold Villa Sparta in Florence.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 09, 2010, 09:26:14 AM
Back from exile, 1940 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/762542back_from_exile.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=762542back_from_exile.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 09, 2010, 02:08:30 PM
Smiling Helen :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/672550fght.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=672550fght.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2010, 09:14:31 AM
Helen and her sister Irene, 1931 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/657835irenehelene1931jpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=657835irenehelene1931jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2010, 12:16:40 PM
Is this taken in London ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 15, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
Is this taken in London ?

They travelled from London to Scotland, 1 September 1931.






Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2010, 06:52:58 PM
Thanks to Queen Sophie, they often thought of themselves as English and considered it a second home...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2010, 01:48:47 PM
Princess Helen with Queen Marie and Prince Nicolas mourning :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/929287nicomariehelenbmp.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=929287nicomariehelenbmp.png)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2010, 03:02:37 PM
Little  Helena

(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/844/60981329.jpg) (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/60981329.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 20, 2010, 07:34:41 AM
Princess Helen and Queen Marie of Romania coming to attend a ceremony celebrating the first anniversary of the death of King Ferdiannd :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/5811031928jpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5811031928jpg.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/417389mariehelena1928jpg.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=417389mariehelena1928jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on November 26, 2010, 02:14:44 PM
A diamond fleur de lys brooch which originally belonged to Queen Victoria and had come in the direct female line to Helen is to be sold (lot 1988) in a sale in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK next month. As there are a number of articles with greek royal provenance in the sale which had come from a former English housekeeper to the royal family it is to be presumed it was a gift.
Irene Duchess of Aosta often wore a fleur de lys...perhaps they were originally a set Queen Sophia divided among her daughters.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 27, 2010, 06:56:03 AM
A diamond fleur de lys brooch which originally belonged to Queen Victoria and had come in the direct female line to Helen is to be sold (lot 1988) in a sale in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK next month. As there are a number of articles with greek royal provenance in the sale which had come from a former English housekeeper to the royal family it is to be presumed it was a gift.
Irene Duchess of Aosta often wore a fleur de lys...perhaps they were originally a set Queen Sophia divided among her daughters.

Helen and Irene effectively wore on many portraits the same fleur de lys brooch. But I read somewhere, but I can not remember where, that the two sisters were often lent their jewelry and in fact this brooch belonged to Irene.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2010, 08:00:16 AM
I think it was the same brooch that Helen & Irene shared. Love to see the photo of this piece to see if it matched the Helen/Irene one in size and gem composition. Is there a link ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on November 27, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
A diamond fleur de lys brooch which originally belonged to Queen Victoria and had come in the direct female line to Helen is to be sold (lot 1988) in a sale in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK next month. As there are a number of articles with greek royal provenance in the sale which had come from a former English housekeeper to the royal family it is to be presumed it was a gift.
Irene Duchess of Aosta often wore a fleur de lys...perhaps they were originally a set Queen Sophia divided among her daughters.

Helen and Irene effectively wore on many portraits the same fleur de lys brooch. But I read somewhere, but I can not remember where, that the two sisters were often lent their jewelry and in fact this brooch belonged to Irene.


As an accompanying letter (included in the lot)dated from the 1940s gives its provenance to Helen  AND Irene was still earing her brooch in the 1960's..it cannot be the same
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on November 27, 2010, 11:30:18 AM
I think it was the same brooch that Helen & Irene shared. Love to see the photo of this piece to see if it matched the Helen/Irene one in size and gem composition. Is there a link ?
www.andersonandgarland.com   lot 1988....the other greek associated items are earlier in the catalogue.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2010, 11:45:44 AM
I think it is a bit different in composition from the one worn by Irene. It is possible that Queen Victoria was given this gift from Louis Philippe as a form of appreciation of giving their family a home. The use of fleurs-d-lys is a very common motif in the French Royal Family and many of them have brooches and tiaras made out of these is diamonds and pearls. I think QV gave Vicky this as part of her dowry and she in turn gave it to Sophie for her wedding. Evidently she did not gave too much to Sophie, as Vicky wrote to her daughter "I cannot spare any more jewels, you will have to wait until I am gone to get what I still have." Apart from her dower jewels, she did have part of the jewel collection of Queen Elise of Prussia. In retailation, Empress Augusta gave Vicky nothing.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on November 28, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I think it is a bit different in composition from the one worn by Irene. It is possible that Queen Victoria was given this gift from Louis Philippe as a form of appreciation of giving their family a home. The use of fleurs-d-lys is a very common motif in the French Royal Family and many of them have brooches and tiaras made out of these is diamonds and pearls. I think QV gave Vicky this as part of her dowry and she in turn gave it to Sophie for her wedding. Evidently she did not gave too much to Sophie, as Vicky wrote to her daughter "I cannot spare any more jewels, you will have to wait until I am gone to get what I still have." Apart from her dower jewels, she did have part of the jewel collection of Queen Elise of Prussia. In retailation, Empress Augusta gave Vicky nothing.
Fleur de Lys ornaments were indeed very popular amongst many royal families associated with the Bourbons as well as aristocratic families.Diadems of a diamond band with (usually detachable) fleur de lys were owned by Crown Princess Stephanie,Marie Louise of Bulgaria and  even Sophia's sister Irene of Hesse.Princess Henry of Prussia.This particular jewel as worn by her grand daughter and heiress Barbara Duchess Christian Ludwig of Mecklenberg -Schwerin and the current Danish Queens wedding.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2010, 01:04:01 PM
By Irene, you mean Sophie's sister-in-law ? Yes, although I do not know how she got that jewel as the fleur-de-lys motief is usual idenitify with the Catholic French monarchy or the Bourbon family. Queen Elizabeth II for example do not process any fleur-de-lys jewellery. Which is why I think QV got it as a gift from Louis Philippe of France.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on November 29, 2010, 09:31:48 AM
By Irene, you mean Sophie's sister-in-law ?
Irene of Hesse Princess Henry of Prussia was indeed Sophia's sister in law
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2010, 11:07:31 AM
Just to confirm since you wrote sister on the link above.  ;) I wonder if Helen inherited the wonderful diamond chokers (in diamond and pearls) that Queen Sophie used to wear on formal occations ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 11, 2010, 06:02:53 AM
Princess Helen with Michael, Queen Marie and Prince Nicolas of Rumania :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/740249michahelenamarienic.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=740249michahelenamarienic.jpg)

In fact, in English, is what is written " Rumania" or " Romania " ? I personally find more results in my research with the first spelling.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2010, 12:29:35 PM
When was that photo taken ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on December 20, 2010, 06:48:05 AM
Queen Elena
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7531/138217.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/138217.jpg/)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2010, 11:47:26 AM
Queen Elena
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7531/138217.jpg) (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/138217.jpg/)


Beautiful photo of the sweet Helen, totally new for me, thank you very much Laura !
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
This one is kind of funny : Helena talking to his son who seems to be VERY bored listening to her xDDD. The occasion? The wedding of her brother Pavlos

(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1429/94289942.jpg) (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/94289942.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2011, 10:55:26 AM
On this occasion, the two sisters Helen and Irene are both the same dress, thus affirming their complicity. They remind me Alexandra and Dagmar of Denmark who were also very united, can not live without each other, and sometimes fun to dress alike.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2011, 02:22:29 PM
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/892825elenaro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=892825elenaro.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/703692elenaromaniei1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=703692elenaromaniei1.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/420022printesaelena5.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=420022printesaelena5.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/950585romanieiprintesaelena.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=950585romanieiprintesaelena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on January 23, 2011, 11:06:38 AM
Elena and her little son Mihai :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/974757elenamihaijulietta.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=974757elenamihaijulietta.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on February 06, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
I read many times that Sitta wanted the divorce to mary the duke of Aosta, too. Her sister was maried to one of them later. So wich was Sitta`s love? Because it`s a litlle strange
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 27, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
Helen and Carol during coronation, 1922 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/624948coronation1922.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=624948coronation1922.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 09, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
In his " Queens of Heart of Romania ", Guy des Cars paints a contrasting portrait of Queen Helen. He describes her as arrogant and ambitious and as having been primarily responsible for the failure of her marriage to Carol.
According to him, Helen would never have feelings for Carol and have agreed to marry because her mother, Queen Sophia, and she was forced to a good match for a princess without a great fortune.

As soon as she was mother, Helen felt she had fulfilled her duty by providing a legal heir to the throne of Romania and began to refuse her husband who, disappointed by this behavior, began to get some derivatives with less cold creatures .

The leak of Carol with Magda Lupescu offered the dual advantage of Helen's get rid of a man she could not stand long time, physical presence, and the ability to reign through her son.

Still according to Guy des Cars, Helen wanted a divorce from Carol for purely sentimental reasons, because she wanted to marry the Duke of Aosta she had known in 1925.

Later, despite attempts to reconcile Carol who sincerely wanted to rebuild the home, Helen, who still hoped to receive from the Vatican permission to marry the Duke of Aosta, have stubbornly refused to resume married life with her ex- husband. The princess who wished for one thing, moving to Italy, would not yield. Henceforth, the separation between the couple was final.

If one believes this release, the exile of Helen in 1930 was voluntary and would have preferred to live away from her son for purely sentimental reasons.

Is this the absolute truth and not only is it a personal interpretation to try to rehabilitate Carol ? If all these facts are true, this would imply that Helen was far from being the wife Martyrdom and persecution which she had created an image in the eyes of the world.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 09, 2011, 02:49:00 PM
Pity for Helena that  Amedeo first fell in love with Maria Jose of Belgium and later of Anne D´Orleans.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 13, 2011, 08:19:33 AM
Queen Mother Helen and son Michael during visit in USA in 1948 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/201395visitusamarch1948.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=201395visitusamarch1948.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 24, 2011, 02:54:19 PM
Elena with her son Mihai in a carriage, 1929-1930 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/585307mihaisielena.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=585307mihaisielena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 05, 2011, 01:29:55 PM
Queen Helen in 1938 :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/400708sitta.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=400708sitta.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 16, 2011, 11:52:46 AM
"Sitta" and Mihai :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/121510sittamihai.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=121510sittamihai.jpg)

Courtesy Webshots.com.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 19, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
Helen with her sister Irene and friends :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/305455helenireneandothers.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=305455helenireneandothers.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 23, 2011, 08:01:52 AM
Helen and other members of the royal family of Greece (click picture for enlarge it) :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/718930christopaulirenehelencatherineminnie.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=718930christopaulirenehelencatherineminnie.jpg)

From left to right, seated, first row, Princesses Irene, Helen, Catherine and Marie of Greece.
Standing behind them, we recognize Princes Christopher and Paul of Greece
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 29, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
Again Helen and Michael in the early 50s :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/675727fasf.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=675727fasf.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 30, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
Princess Helen and her father King Constantin in 1920 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/682960heleneconstantin1920.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=682960heleneconstantin1920.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on May 08, 2011, 10:22:58 AM
Elena on Peles Castle's balcony :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/433680elenabalcony.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=433680elenabalcony.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 07, 2011, 05:41:24 PM
Helen had a charm that is only her own. :-)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Lucien on June 08, 2011, 11:45:31 PM
Helen had a charm that is only her own. :-)

Due to you I suppose,as her personal assistant...?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Oh I wish I could have been. But from the letters her relatives wrote her, her photos and her memoirs. All pointing towards that.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 13, 2011, 07:13:53 AM
The undeniable beauty and charm of Helen are more to show ...

Here is a larger and clearer version than this posted in the previous thread :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/828429carolhelena.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=828429carolhelena.png)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2011, 01:16:40 PM
It seems Helen wore matching diamond bracelets on her hands.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 14, 2011, 04:17:50 PM
Helen and Michael, 1932 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/569436mihaihelena1932.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=569436mihaihelena1932.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2011, 07:03:19 AM
Taken in England or Romania ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 16, 2011, 11:46:57 AM
Taken in England or Romania ?

Under King Carol's order, Princess Helen sees her son off from Dover for return to Roumania. Exactly date : 10/06/1932.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2011, 11:50:34 AM
How Horrible ! Carol was such a monster with no feelings upon his son or his ex-wife.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 16, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
In fact, this is the version given to journalists by Helen who gave the image of a wife scorned and persecuted mercilessly by her ex-husband. Some historians like Guy Descars refutes this argument by saying that Carol did not prohibit Helen  to see Michael or visit Romania to see her son. He claims that Helen has decided to leave Romania in 1930 because she preferred to live in Italy, even away from her son, never to rub Carol, she could not stand his presence. I confess that I do not know who to believe.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2011, 12:20:14 PM
I tend to believe Helen as she (like her family) was very duty bound and would never shrink from what to expect of her as a daughter, wife or mother. By that time, Magda was already in the picture. Another reason to believe in the story is Carol's persecution did not limit to Helen only, but his mother (Queen Marie), brother (Nicholas) and sister (Ileana) as well.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 16, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
I also tend to believe Helen. Carol was seen by other members of royal families as a being sneaky and nasty.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2011, 12:48:55 PM
Yes he was. Carol also sold Helen's villa near the sea (given to her by Missy) and demand her to live aboard. She promptly bought Villa Sparta in Florence, which was Queen Sophie's ideal home. 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 25, 2011, 07:33:00 AM
Engagement pictures :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/9795971921.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=9795971921.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/708757mc.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=708757mc.jpg)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/378922greckroyals1920.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=378922greckroyals1920.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
They are wearing morning for King Alexander ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 25, 2011, 12:38:51 PM
Indeed, Carol asked officially for the hand of Helen, in 1920, a little time after the death of young King.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
Yes. Helen was emotionally vulnerable at that time and wanted a change in her life, Queen Sophie was against it from the start.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 26, 2011, 07:24:52 AM
Alexander's souvenir is not far and nevertheless everybody finds the strength and the courage of smile for the occasion. A happy diversion in the ambient despair. A way also to respect this old principle of the European Courts not to show its moods in public.

Although it is there, this engagement announced of the better days for the Royal Family because a little time after, Constantin found his throne.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2011, 11:21:39 AM
Yes. Although we can see traces of sadness of the weary face of Queen Sophie. 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 02, 2011, 05:13:15 AM
Helen and Michael, 1928 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/2702861928.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=2702861928.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 04, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
Is this in Romania or London ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 07, 2011, 04:55:20 AM
In Romania, during a public event.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Thanks. I think it was taken before Carol came back to power I think.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 07, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
Thanks. I think it was taken before Carol came back to power I think.

Yes, in 1928 or 1929, but not later.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
Thanks. I wonder what was the name of the seaside resort that Missy gave Helen as a present.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 08, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
Elena and Mihai in Romania, 1942 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/130027hm1942.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=130027hm1942.png)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/249025elenamihai1940.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=249025elenamihai1940.png)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
They were a devoted mother & son. I wondered if Helen ever thought of remarriage, I heard she may have a suitor in her later years.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 17, 2011, 10:13:53 AM
Helen in Alice Keppel's villa in 1938 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/477513helene.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=477513helene.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/874199elenismi.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=874199elenismi.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2011, 01:38:55 PM
Was that Prince George of Greece she was chatting with ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on July 31, 2011, 04:23:54 PM
larger version

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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2011, 03:00:54 PM
Helen was quite a natural beauty, she did lose some weight as she grew older.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 03, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
Simply Royal with her Greek Key Tiara :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/49174646057347.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=49174646057347.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 03, 2011, 01:27:04 PM
Yes. I used to belong to Ducky who sold it to Helen's mother-in-law Missy.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 08, 2011, 02:09:36 PM
On this portrait which dates 1923 or 1924, Helen still concerns the long hair with a small bun behind the nape of the neck. She has not given up her girl's hair yet and does not yet dare to carry the very short hair. I wonder when exactly she decided to sacrifice her long hair to carry the short fashionable hair of the roaring twenties.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 08, 2011, 10:04:46 PM
I would think the 30's. By the time the cousins (the Andrew & Nicholas girls) got married, they all had short hair.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 11, 2011, 09:31:13 AM
Queen Marie of Romania was not one of the first Queens of Europe to wear short hair in the early 20 ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 11, 2011, 01:13:23 PM
Yes I think so, although I don't think Queen Mary had long hair too...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2011, 03:01:23 PM
Crown Princess Helen by Julietta, 1922 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/9616231922.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=9616231922.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 28, 2011, 04:11:58 PM
She looked good with that tiara.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 02, 2011, 10:38:42 AM
Was it the only Tiara which had Helen for the Court Portraits and others official ceremonies ? Wore she, occasionally, the jewels of her mother-in-law Queen Marie ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2011, 07:17:33 AM
I don't think so. Queen Marie left more jewels to her daughters Ileana & Elisabetta. She was miffed that while she gave Helen a nice tiara (bought from Ducky) after her wedding, while Queen Sophie failed to give her own daughter Elisabetta one. Helen also sometimes wore her mother 's big diamond tiara for photos.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 06, 2011, 05:41:42 AM
Thank You, Eric. Maybe as well as Marie of Rumania did not appreciate enough her daughter-in-law to lend her her jewels. I read somewhere that queen Marie hated Helen and made her responsible for the failure of her marriage with Carol.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2011, 12:13:28 PM
I don't think Missy hated Helen, but yes she did blame her for giving up on the relationship too quickly. Only later when Carol was cruel to them both that Missy understood her error and reconciled with Helen.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on October 07, 2011, 12:26:13 PM
I don't think so. Queen Marie left more jewels to her daughters Ileana & Elisabetta. She was miffed that while she gave Helen a nice tiara (bought from Ducky) after her wedding, while Queen Sophie failed to give her own daughter Elisabetta one. Helen also sometimes wore her mother 's big diamond tiara for photos.
Helen and her sister Irene were able to wear there mothers big tiara (although Irene had inherited another of Queen Sophies big diamond tiaras)because their brother Paul who inherited it was not married till 1937.Irene did inherit from Marie the long diamond sautoir with the 438 carat sapphire that had originally been bought from Cartier.Helen wore it in 1947 in London at the Royal wedding and the chain was worn the following year by her daughter in law on her wedding day though by then the sapphire had been sold.In the mid 1980s the Cartier historian and chairman of Christies Europe Hans Nadelhoffer dining with the King Michael and Queen Anne in Switzerland was shown a trinket in the Queens jewel case and saw at the bottom in pieces the chain!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
Only one question. Irene (I think you mean Princess Irene of Greece & sister of Helen) was not related to Queen Marie of Romania, why would she left such a jewel to her daughter-in-law's sister ? I think it was sold later and Queen Frederike of Greece bought it and wore the big saphhire inpublic a few times. I think it was she who left it her daughter Princess Irene of Greece (sister of Queen Sophia of Spain & Ex-King Constantine II of Greece).
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on October 08, 2011, 02:57:40 PM
Only one question. Irene (I think you mean Princess Irene of Greece & sister of Helen) was not related to Queen Marie of Romania, why would she left such a jewel to her daughter-in-law's sister ? I think it was sold later and Queen Frederike of Greece bought it and wore the big saphhire inpublic a few times. I think it was she who left it her daughter Princess Irene of Greece (sister of Queen Sophia of Spain & Ex-King Constantine II of Greece).
Marie  left the sapphire & saoutoir to Helen and Helen passed it on to her daughter in law.
Queen Frederika did not buy the sapphire it was given to her by a greek shipping tycoon after the Romanian royals sold it...
And it was Fredrika herself who sold it during her exile.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2011, 04:05:12 PM
Thanks for clearing it up. It seems that Queen Frederica did not leave much jewels to her daughter Irene.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on October 09, 2011, 03:32:20 AM
Thanks for clearing it up. It seems that Queen Frederica did not leave much jewels to her daughter Irene.
Frederica had some gems to leave her daughter (or had already passed on)...a diamond circle tiara (which had belonged to Queen Sophie) a diamond and pearl tiara necklace (later sold and then sold again in Italy a few years ago) and a strand of enormous pearls ..sure too there was more smaller items...and then of course there is the mystery of the big diamond tiara from Queen Sophie she so often wore....
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2011, 08:38:59 AM
Yes. That big tiara was the one Helen borrowed to take some photos later on. Not sure about what Irene Aosta got from Queen Sophie. Her best tiara was a spiked one, who was also worn by Queen Sophie in one of her later photos. So I don't know if that was a present to her daughter. I recently reviewed what Irene wore as a head ornament at the coronation of King Ferdinand & Queen Marie of Romania. It seems like it was one of Queen Sophie's bejeweled chokers bend to make a head ornament. As for the diamond circle tiara, it hasn't been seen in public for awhile.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on October 09, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Yes. That big tiara was the one Helen borrowed to take some photos later on. Not sure about what Irene Aosta got from Queen Sophie. Her best tiara was a spiked one, who was also worn by Queen Sophie in one of her later photos. So I don't know if that was a present to her daughter. I recently reviewed what Irene wore as a head ornament at the coronation of King Ferdinand & Queen Marie of Romania. It seems like it was one of Queen Sophie's bejeweled chokers bend to make a head ornament. As for the diamond circle tiara, it hasn't been seen in public for awhile.
The Diamond circle tiara of Queen Sophie has been worn at least twice in quite recent years by Infanta Cristina.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2011, 07:33:01 AM
Thanks I remember that now. I was just thinking that Princess Irene had not worn it for a long time. Maybe she sold it to her sister Queen Sophia of Spain ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on October 10, 2011, 07:41:31 AM
Thanks I remember that now. I was just thinking that Princess Irene had not worn it for a long time. Maybe she sold it to her sister Queen Sophia of Spain ?
Who knows...time will tell.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
Yes. However since she had not wore it for a long time and furthermore no children. It might go to her nieces anyway.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 16, 2011, 11:29:56 AM
Princess Helen with Queen Marie of Romania in etnic dresses :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/578135allethnics.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=578135allethnics.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on October 16, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
You can also see Elisabeth and Ileana : )
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 16, 2011, 11:41:56 AM
You can also see Elisabeth and Ileana : )

Yes, Elisabeth who don't wear the same scarf as the others.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2011, 01:30:38 PM
The only one missing is Mignon.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on October 18, 2011, 05:24:15 AM
I hope this image was not posted before..

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8530/48106717.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/48106717.jpg/)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on October 18, 2011, 06:50:19 AM
I`ve never seen that photo before either and I would like to dedicate it to KarlandZita!  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 18, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
I`ve never seen that photo before either and I would like to dedicate it to KarlandZita!  :)

My god, which find ! I confirm that this magnificent photo was never posted before.

How nice of you, Laura, to dedicate it to me, this attention goes up to me in the heart, thank you very much !!!
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2011, 09:06:42 PM
That is the appreciation to all you have shared with all of us so far. I think it is a fitting tribute !!! :-)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 19, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
Thank You !
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2011, 03:58:22 PM
Welcome. I would do the same if I locate something interesting.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 24, 2011, 01:38:44 PM
Young Helena and brother George

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1668/sdhfpohwdo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/sdhfpohwdo.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2011, 01:39:21 PM
They were always very close to each other.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 31, 2011, 12:11:22 PM
Helen with her husband Carol and her sister Irene :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/400040carolhelenirene.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=400040carolhelenirene.jpg)

The smiles are already a little bit sad : The marriage is not already a success and Carol deceives openly his wife with sometimes several conquests at once. Indeed, after his marriage with Helen, he sees again Zizi Lambrino while knotting  an idyll with the artist Mireille Marcovici before being crazy about the red-haired person Magda Lupescu.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2011, 08:44:23 AM
It was understandable. Helen wanted to get out of the family because of the misfortune it suffered. She went from one unhappy situation to another. Had Carol had been a regular behaving Royal, the marriage would have survived...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2011, 02:45:35 PM
Helen with her son and Prince Regent Nicolas :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/195058nicolaemihaielena.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=195058nicolaemihaielena.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2011, 03:14:51 PM
Nice photo ! I wonder if Helen got along with Nicholas. She got along with Mignon, but had her ups and downs with Elisabetta & Ileana.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2011, 05:13:08 PM
Again Helen with Michael, 1928-1929 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/869368vcfhb.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=869368vcfhb.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 18, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
Both of them looked very relaxed and happy.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
Both of them looked very relaxed and happy.

Michael was never really comfortable in the official ceremonies. Secret and reserved, he was often sad and worried in public even when he was away from the presence of his mother.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 19, 2011, 07:49:25 AM
Princess helen and her sister Irene in the West of London in 1932 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/548964westendoflondon1932.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=548964westendoflondon1932.jpg)

Very close, both sisters travelled often together and rarely left.



Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2011, 01:26:40 PM
Which is why Missy called Irene Helen's shadow. I think that could be the reason why Irene considered marrying Prince Nicholas of Romania, to be close to her big sister. When the marriages of George (with Elisabetta) and Helen (with Carol) crumbled, Irene broke off the engagement to Nicholas, who was heart brokened.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on November 20, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
The engagement to Nicholas was broke off by Romanian`s government." Too many greeks " Missy said in her diary.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
I don't think Irene was too affected by it, not as much as Nicolas.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 03, 2011, 07:42:19 AM
Irene will experience a new broken engagement a few years later with the Prince of Schaumburg Lippe in 1933.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Did she broke it off too ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on January 14, 2012, 07:28:34 AM
Princess Helen attending a ceremony in memory of King Ferdinand of Romania :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/336566reconciliation.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=336566reconciliation.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/340780pssfan.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=340780pssfan.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/472315ceremoniemmoireroiferdinand.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=472315ceremoniemmoireroiferdinand.jpg)

I have the article in the weekly newspaper " L'Illustration " published July 26, 1930. It reports that : " On 21 July was celebrated in Romania, Curtea of Argesh, a Requiem to the memory of King Ferdinand. The whole royal family was present, and Mr. Maniu and members of government, that the patriarch Miron Cristea received at the entrance to the monastery where the late King was buried (.)

This ceremony is presented for the entire country of particular interest, because it brought together in public, king Charles and the one that the Romanian loyalty already called " Queen Helena ", although the cancellation of her divorce has not yet been officially declared (.)

Photography here provides a useful comment. Our engravings show that the couple, at least when they found themselves close seemed to give all the trappings of a reconciliation. "

In fact, we now know that, for various reasons, that reconciliation never took place. However, this rumor of a possible rapprochement between the two long separated spouses feed the tabloids of the time who spoke still regularly until the mid-30.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
In her memoirs, Helen indicated it gave the Romanian public the impression of a reconciliation, which never took place.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 04, 2012, 04:50:41 AM
Princess Helen at a public manifestation in Romania with her little son Mihai, 1928 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/561953publicburest.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=561953publicburest.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/141700meeting.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=141700meeting.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/364456mihaielenainpublic.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=364456mihaielenainpublic.jpg)

At that time, was it her name "Princess" or "Queen" Helen of Romania ? What then was her official title as the mother of the young king ? Sources and different information about it. Thank you in advance for your clarification


Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2012, 12:57:45 PM
During the first time her son was King, Helen was known as Princess Elena of Romania. However after her husband's exile and subsequent marriage to Magda making her Princess Elena of Romania. Helen was created Queen Mother of Romania. Her title of Queen Mother came from the fact that her son was King, not because her husband was a king.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 04, 2012, 01:12:06 PM
During the first time her son was King, Helen was known as Princess Elena of Romania. However after her husband's exile and subsequent marriage to Magda making her Princess Elena of Romania. Helen was created Queen Mother of Romania. Her title of Queen Mother came from the fact that her son was King, not because her husband was a king.

Thank you Eric, it's clearer now for me.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 09, 2012, 02:01:44 PM
Helen with Carol :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/967062carolhelena.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=967062carolhelena.jpg)

This photo was probably taken during their trip to London in 1925. This was shortly after this visit that Carol fled to France with his mistress Magda Lupescu.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2012, 04:08:29 PM
That looked like part of a film clip ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 10, 2012, 01:22:11 PM
That looked like part of a film clip ?

Extracted from a video documentary on the Royal family of Romania, it is more accurately a press photo.



Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 10, 2012, 01:23:03 PM
Mother and son, official portrait, 1940 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/476268img6499.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=476268img6499.jpg)

These two beings who loved each other with infinite tenderness did not need to talk to understand. One look was enough for them.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 10, 2012, 02:01:25 PM
They were a great team.  :) Helen's elegance is full flower as you can see from this picture.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 10, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
She wears on her left shoulder a pin with lilies in diamonds that her sister Irene also wears on some portraits of the same period.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 25, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
1930's portrait :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/405498queenmotherportrait.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=405498queenmotherportrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2012, 03:11:29 PM
Helen always looked good in pearls.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on February 28, 2012, 04:16:04 AM
Helen always looked good in pearls.

You said this, I think, so many times - that it's high  time to say something more informative. I remember the words "Helen looks good in pearls/ jewels/ Helen was always elegant" as a leading idea of both "Queen Elena" threads.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2012, 12:46:31 PM
Just commenting on the picture. I think part of her pearl collection might be from her mother Queen Sophie.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Marc on February 29, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
Eric,sometimes your comments may be the same over and over again just for the sake of posting and some of your conclusions may sound a little immature,like a 15 year old is writing them...not that I have anything against it,just saying that maybe Svetabel was referring to that! ;-)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on February 29, 2012, 10:29:29 AM
Eric,sometimes your comments may be the same over and over again just for the sake of posting and some of your conclusions may sound a little immature,like a 15 year old is writing them...not that I have anything against it,just saying that maybe Svetabel was referring to that! ;-)

Exactly. Reading the same comments again and again is more than tiresome.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 29, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
I don't think that telling someone is like 15 years old is really helpful in a discussion either. When someone post a nice photo, it is appreciative to say nice things and glad they share it with you. Don't think people today know manners and being polite is lost art.  :o
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on February 29, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
I don't think that telling someone is like 15 years old is really helpful in a discussion either. When someone post a nice photo, it is appreciative to say nice things and glad they share it with you. Don't think people today know manners and being polite is lost art.  :o

The point is that you are ready to comment any photo - nice or not, and in the end such comments looks like spam as you don't say anything really informative. You always can thank a poster by PM.

As for Queen Elena - you comment her photos with almost the same words every time - if you don't remember your previous posts and comments that doesn't mean we all are pleased to read them a million times.
Let's stop here and back to topic.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Marc on February 29, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
I don't think that telling someone is like 15 years old is really helpful in a discussion either.

Maybe you are right,but sometimes your comments sound like coming from an Alice in Wonderland and not from the author of several royal books...

Just like the one that almost penniless royal princess should buy a brand new diamond tiara because the one she borrowed from the museum is so out of fashion...I agree with you that the one she is wearing doesn't do her justice,but from someone knowing current circumstances and their financial situation your comment sounds ridiculous...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Marc on February 29, 2012, 01:04:23 PM
Let's stop here and back to topic.

Agree...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 29, 2012, 01:48:02 PM
What I am saying is that she could design her jewels from semi-precious stones like Queen margaret of Denmark and not spent a fortune in diamonds. It is much better than appear in something that does not suit her. Queen Anne of Romania seldom wore her tiara, but that did not make her ant less bad looking or royal.

Lets get back to topic.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 01, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
I don't think that telling someone is like 15 years old is really helpful in a discussion either. When someone post a nice photo, it is appreciative to say nice things and glad they share it with you. Don't think people today know manners and being polite is lost art.  :o

I must say it's always nice to see people react favorably to what we post, though, for my part, I'm not doing it specifically for this purpose. When I post a picture that I found particularly interesting or beautiful, my goal is to share my fun with other forum members and the fact of any reaction shows me they really enjoyed the show too.

Personally, I read the many comments of Eric as the fruit of his spontaneity. The fact is that some of his comments, even the most mundane, sometimes possible to start a debate or start a discussion that allowed constructive and rewarding, ultimately, to learn more about a character or on a specific topic.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
Thanks. I sometimes do comment on the spur of the moment, for that guilty as charged.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Svetabel on March 02, 2012, 12:52:09 PM


Personally, I read the many comments of Eric as the fruit of his spontaneity. The fact is that some of his comments, even the most mundane, sometimes possible to start a debate or start a discussion that allowed constructive and rewarding, ultimately, to learn more about a character or on a specific topic.


Thanks. I sometimes do comment on the spur of the moment, for that guilty as charged.  :)

I didn't have an intention to start a whole discussion about inane posts, but if so I should say more. Most of such comments like Eric always post (nice photo, he/she looks good and so on) in 99,9% don 't lead to any informative discussion or - more worse - lead to repetitive discussions. I know what I am talking about - I cleaned up and moderated a LOT of topics with inane posts and useless comments.

The spontaneity is not a sin but if everyone here begins to drop inane/repetitive comments under every photo...well, the Forum will be a chaos. I repeat  - it's not funny and not interesting to read the same words from page to page, many posters got furious scrolling the Forum and reading nothing only "ah, she was beautiful".

Please, any further comments - by PM. Back to topic.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2012, 02:26:51 PM
To stir up some new information discussion. Does any one know if Helen was given a dowry or was there a list of wedding presents ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 06, 2012, 01:56:52 PM
Sorry, don't know, Eric.

I' d like to tell an interesting story about Michael. The time he reigned under the regency of his uncle Nicolas, gossips claimed that he was born deaf and dumb. Also his mother, Princess Helen, desperate and exasperated by this crazy rumor that was a disservice to the crown, one day took the decision to open the wing of the palace in Bucharest, where she lived with her son to receive politicians, journalists, and many others for the sole purpose that they might see themselves as the Child-King was normal. And it spoke so much, and with so much appropriateness despite his young age, that the odious legend was destroyed.

This curious legend is not unique. Well before the war of 1914, another royal child was supposed dumb by the people : It was the Kaiser's own daughter, Princess Victoria Louise, that many Germans, it is unclear why, decked thought the same handicap.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2012, 02:52:20 PM
I think Michael was just reserved and shy. With a vivacious grandmother (Missy) and divorced parents, it is understandable that he may be a bit on the cautious side.

Didn't know that German Sisi (Kaiser Willy's pet name for his daughter after the ill-fated Austrian Empress) was rumored to be born dumb.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 08, 2012, 01:58:04 PM

Didn't know that German Sisi (Kaiser Willy's pet name for his daughter after the ill-fated Austrian Empress) was rumored to be born dumb.

This story about the supposed handicap of Victoria Louise was told by her English governess, Miss Topham, in her " Memories of the Kaiser's Court."
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 08, 2012, 03:52:07 PM
I actually have that book. Should read it carefully again...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 20, 2012, 03:19:04 PM
Can anyone tell me if there is a French or English version of the album " Elena, portretul unei Reginei " and if so, where I could get it, please  ? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on March 21, 2012, 06:15:25 AM
Can anyone tell me if there is a French or English version of the album " Elena, portretul unei Reginei " and if so, where I could get it, please  ? Thanks in advance.


That book is bilingual in English and Romanian. It was available at http://www.hoogstraten.nl/theshop/index.php but it's not listed there anymore... :-\
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2012, 01:37:08 PM
Well...Hope to locate it...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on May 11, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
Princess Helen and Queen Marie of Romania during a Mass celebrated in 1928 in memory of King Ferdinand :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/453985ferdianndmemory.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=453985ferdianndmemory.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/362398fp28.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=362398fp28.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/761767dse.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=761767dse.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/282182inmemoriam.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=282182inmemoriam.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on May 12, 2012, 07:40:38 AM
Relations between the two women remain unknown. It is unclear if they were cordial or conflicting. Some historians claim that Queen Marie of Romania hated her stepdaughter as to encourage extramarital affairs to his son Carol for the sole purpose of annoying Helen.
Others, however, refute this charge and testify, based on the correspondence of Queen Marie, she supported her daughter and admired for her courage and abnegation. Contradicting rumors of a disagreement or antipathy between the two women, they cite among others, this judgment particularly laudatory : " Helen is dignified. She is above all a wonderful homemaker. She maintains all - including her son - in perfect order. "
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2012, 12:44:37 AM
I don't think Missy abandoned Helen, she just thought her daughter-in-law should have tried harder to keep him. She later realized that Carol was beyond that.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 08:15:25 AM
Helen in London at different times :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/164541goinlondon.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=164541goinlondon.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/152168helenelondon1939.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=152168helenelondon1939.jpg)

And in 1932 with her inseparable sister Irene :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/752455helenaireneinlondon2.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=752455helenaireneinlondon2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Thanks to Queen Sophie, Helen thinks of England as a home away from home.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 02, 2012, 06:00:52 AM
A rare image of Helen with King Ferdinand of Romania and the Duke of Spoleto during a visit to the one in Bucharest in 1926 :

 (http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/928178elenaaimoneferdinandbucarest1926.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=928178elenaaimoneferdinandbucarest1926.jpg)

Was he really the secret love of Helen, as suggested by some sources at the time, or was it rather his brother the Duke of Apulia before he married his cousin Anne de Guise year later ? This question, for lack of evidence, unfortunately, remains unanswered.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 02, 2012, 07:39:45 PM
Where did you hear about this secret love ? I heard that Helen did have one and was listed in her own diary, but the identity of the man is not revealed. I do hope it was the brother Apuila, otherwise it would sound too incestuous as he did marry Irene, Helen's sister...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 05, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
Where did you hear about this secret love ? I heard that Helen did have one and was listed in her own diary, but the identity of the man is not revealed. I do hope it was the brother Apuila, otherwise it would sound too incestuous as he did marry Irene, Helen's sister...

Comments from some journalists do not clearly identify the suitor of Helen. One of the few to speak, the Romanian journalist Seicaru, wrote : " In 1928, Princess Helen of Greece had divorced Prince Carol. It was herself expressed and demanded the legal termination of marriage. Apparently this action, which had not been imposed, seemed to be the normal reaction of an outraged wife by driving her husband. But, in reality, the true cause was different and purely sentimental ... Helen longed to marry the Duke of Aosta she had known in 1925. But the marriage was made impossible by the opposition of the Church of Rome that forbade any marriage of a Catholic with a divorced woman. After Carol returned to Romania, Helen of Greece refused any reconciliation with her ex-husband because she still hoped to receive, from the Vatican for permission to marry the Duke of Aosta ".

However, it appears that the reporter was mistaken in asserting that Princess Helen wanted to become the wife of the brilliant and chivalrous Duke of Aosta, which at that time was already married to his cousin Anne de France !

At least, that both his brother Aimone who, having understood that he could never be the husband of Helen, has decided to stay still in the family by marrying a few years later, her sister Irene.


Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 05, 2012, 06:31:26 PM
Thanks for clearing that one up. I wonder what Irene felt about all that since she was very close to Helen. I believe Helen got over him and move on, otherwise I don't think Irene would marry her sister's beau...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on June 10, 2012, 10:40:37 AM
Helen and Mihai in Sinaia, 1941 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/805966regelemihaisinaia1941.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=805966regelemihaisinaia1941.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2012, 12:54:39 PM
Helen looked very causal here...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 06, 2012, 05:01:43 PM
Princess Helen - left - with her husband Carol and her sister Irene in Sinaia :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/677198carolelenairina.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=677198carolelenairina.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
I do wonder how Carol felt about the close relations of the sisters ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 15, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Carol and Helen talking during coronation of 1922 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/373182elencarolcoronation.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=373182elencarolcoronation.jpg)

At the time, such images disseminated in the international press seemed to attest to the apparent solidity of the young couple. In fact, Carol already deceived his wife after only a few months of marriage, including review of his first wife, Zizi Lambrino.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 15, 2012, 02:21:19 PM
Helen did looked a bit cold and unresponsive here.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 16, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Helen has often been described as a cold beauty, perhaps was because she was not very talkative. Yet she was almost always smiling, not to order as was sometimes the case for some princesses to get popular, but rather a natural and spontaneous.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 16, 2012, 04:39:59 PM
It is very interesting that Helen, whom most describe as "warm & friendly" would be term as a "cold beauty". I guess she was very much like her mother, who at times kept her emotion in check. It was this "reserve" that led to Missy blaming Helen on not able to hold on to Carol's heart.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 16, 2012, 05:22:14 PM
Marie of Romania does she really look like Helen charge of the detachment of Carol ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 16, 2012, 11:34:42 PM
You have to remember that Marie of Romania was an enchantress and could charm the putty out of men's hands. Of course she would felt that Helen was not doing enough in her own point of view.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 17, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
Knowing the unpredictable and volatile temper of her son, Marie would however expect that the marriage of pure convenience between Helen and Carol, there was a risk not to last.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2012, 10:28:13 AM
Yes. Although Missy was very much an optimist in this situation. Which is why she did turn on Helen awhile during the martial problems.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on July 17, 2012, 11:26:04 AM
Helen has often been described as a cold beauty, perhaps was because she was not very talkative. Yet she was almost always smiling, not to order as was sometimes the case for some princesses to get popular, but rather a natural and spontaneous.


I don't think she looked all the great when she smiled--perhaps this is why in formal portraits and events she is unsmiling. In more natural surroundings, she gave way to her native personality without regard to how to photographed best. Just speculation on my part though.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 17, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
I think Helen grew more attractive as she matures. Anyway Helen was no match for someone like Magda Lupescu...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 21, 2012, 05:17:43 AM
I don't think she looked all the great when she smiled--perhaps this is why in formal portraits and events she is unsmiling. In more natural surroundings, she gave way to her native personality without regard to how to photographed best. Just speculation on my part though.  :)

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Helen appeared rarely actually smiling in portraits or official photographs. But that was more in my opinion, rules and codes of photography at the time, rather than any state of mind on her part - shyness, reserve or other -.

Indeed, most of the official portraits of the time imposed on their models a mine was serious, grave, and a dignified, solemn and stiff, rarely allowing them to smile, or an unobtrusive way. The more relaxed and intimate portraits as those of Marcus Adams were exceptions. Even those of the renowned Cecil Beaton, who was inspired more artists of past centuries as avant-garde, rarely smiling.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 29, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
helen walking around with Michael and Queen Marie of Romania in one of the royal gardens, perhaps that of Balcic :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/624265withgrandmama.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=624265withgrandmama.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/926534with2mamas.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=926534with2mamas.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2012, 11:51:36 AM
Yes King Michael is the only one who could remember the two women today.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 30, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
Hi,

Would not Prince Philip have known (or at least have met) Queen Marie and Queen Helen?
Just asking.......

Larry
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 30, 2012, 09:13:42 PM
Queen Marie I am not sure, but I am sure that Prince Philip cross paths with Queen Mother Helen when he vacationed at her seaside villa. There are photos of Philip and her sisters having a good time there. The most famous one is a photograph of the two young boys (Philip & Michael) riding horses together on the beach. It is cool that Prince Philip still have someone he can trade childhood memories even at this age.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2012, 03:56:14 PM
Phillip also spent time with Helen (including a Christmas holiday) in Florence and also at Cotroceni Palace in Bucharest. Of course, she was also at many royal events in England including Phillip's wedding. As for Queen Marie, I don't know if their paths crossed. I guess they were both present at his sister Margarita's wedding to Marie's nephew Gottfried?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
Yes. He was a young boy at Margarita's wedding.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on August 04, 2012, 05:26:08 AM
Helen and Queen Marie during a parade in 1925 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/214753parade1925.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=214753parade1925.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2012, 10:42:25 AM
Was she as good a horse woman as her mother-in-law ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on August 05, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
Was she as good a horse woman as her mother-in-law ?

As all the princesses of the time, which was riding very early part of their education, Helen was an accomplished horsewoman who loved, also, the company of horses.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Thanks for the info. I think she looked good on horseback too.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on August 26, 2012, 08:14:07 AM
Princess Helen with Mihai, Princess Ileana and Queen Marie during a parade in 1922 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/199178parada1922.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=199178parada1922.jpg)

Click picture for enlarge it.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2012, 12:08:21 PM
I think Missy still looked the most glamorous of the bunch here.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on August 28, 2012, 06:00:55 AM
I think Missy still looked the most glamorous of the bunch here.  :)

Helen's style was probably more sober, refined and tasteful. I believe the true elegance ...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2012, 01:16:42 PM
I think she found her style in the 30's.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 01, 2012, 07:29:47 AM
Queen Mother Elena in Bucarest hospital in 1941 :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/787266helenbucaresthospital1941.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=787266helenbucaresthospital1941.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 05, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
I wonder if Queen Mother Helen was close to those Romanians who want to restore Monarchy in Romania.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 29, 2012, 07:52:58 AM
Helen and Michael skiing in 1938 in St. Moritz, winter sports resort in fashion since the 1920s :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/665315201201221920332.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=665315201201221920332.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/853416201201221920333.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=853416201201221920333.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/682338201201221920334.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=682338201201221920334.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/375375201201221920337.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=375375201201221920337.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/332736201201221920338.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=332736201201221920338.jpg)

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/5701152012012219203310.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5701152012012219203310.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
It seems like most of the Greek Princesses likes skiing. Maybe a hobby they all picked up during their exile ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 13, 2012, 07:35:10 AM
Crown Princess Helen arrived at Alba Julia in 1922 to attend the coronation of the kings of Romania :


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/118896coro22.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=118896coro22.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/896135princesses.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=896135princesses.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/537486coroona.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=537486coroona.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2012, 10:14:42 AM
Helen had a flair with her clothes. smiling and arranging her shawl at the same time.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 26, 2012, 01:41:44 PM
Michael and Helen in Lausanne, 1948 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/996200michaelinlausanne1948.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=996200michaelinlausanne1948.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Laura_ on November 28, 2012, 10:01:37 AM
Today marks the 30th anniversary of Queen Helen's death.May she rest in peace!


I think this photo hasn't been posted before:
(http://s11.postimage.org/6fkasu51f/elena.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dvjkemsqn/full/)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2012, 10:44:25 PM
I think this might have been a series with her Greek siblings and cousins at the seaside villa.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2012, 10:40:21 AM
It was. The sweater and hat are pretty distinctive.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
Indeed. The same with Prince Philip and her son Micheal. It may have been the same horses they were seen riding. Quite remarkable that they are still both alive today.

I wonder what Helen thought of young Philip at the time.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 01, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
Today marks the 30th anniversary of Queen Helen's death.May she rest in peace!


I think this photo hasn't been posted before:
(http://s11.postimage.org/6fkasu51f/elena.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/dvjkemsqn/full/)


Nice find ! I still have a thought on the anniversary of the death of this great lady who had a so beautiful soul.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 01, 2012, 02:30:12 PM
I think the hat she wore was more interesting. I think in the group photo, her sister Irene and cousin Princess Theodora wore similar hats.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 02, 2012, 10:34:41 AM
I think the hat she wore was more interesting. I think in the group photo, her sister Irene and cousin Princess Theodora wore similar hats.

Absolutely, this kind of hat helmet was very fashionable in the 20s, and had a different form of the classic cloche hat.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2012, 04:28:48 PM
Indeed. I know a little about fashion but have no idea about this type of head gear. I think Missy & her sisters also wore them.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 02, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
They did--there's a photo of Victoria Melita, Marie and Sandra with at least 2 of them wearing those close-to-the-head knit hat. Ileana of Romania wore them as well. A modified style is rather popular again.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 02, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Yes I think I saw that photo somewhere and it made an impression on me. They are all very fashionable ladies. Helen actually looked more elegant with age.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 15, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
Princess helen wearing a new tiara :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/274119zzz9102012.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=274119zzz9102012.jpg)

Or perhaps it is rather a strip of fabric (tulle or gauze) embroidered with rhinestones and sequins as often wore for the evening flappers of the Twenties.

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2012, 11:16:27 AM
I think it is the second description. It does not appear to be a tiara.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 20, 2012, 08:27:07 AM
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/928178elenaaimoneferdinandbucarest1926_zps2abde8d3.jpg)
 Princes Elena, Aimone of Savoy and King Ferdinand in 1926
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 20, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
Who was the forth man in the picture ? Paul of Yugoslavia ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 21, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
I do not know
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2012, 09:09:51 AM
I read Helen and Aimone were very close.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Gabriella on December 21, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
Simply Royal with her Greek Key Tiara :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/49174646057347.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=49174646057347.jpg)

The tiara is now often worn by her granddaughter Margarita. Does somebody know if Queen Anne or Princess Margarita wear other jewels owned by Helen or
Queen Marie (Missy)?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2012, 12:11:01 PM
Don't think so. The fab jewelry collection amassed by Missy was divided among her daughters mostly.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 21, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
Who was the forth man in the picture ? Paul of Yugoslavia ?

The uniform and face resemble Umberto of Italy to me.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2012, 10:40:55 PM
Looks more like Umberto's father.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 22, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
About jewels

 Missy left her Cartiercollier and the famous safire to Michael. It appears that Michael sold the safire before the wedding. But Queen Anna wears the collier to the wedding

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/roumaniecolliercartierdlc31_zpsda73dcd8.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/2884056911_58296c3126_o_zpsa407ebcc.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/qm_sapphire1_zpsf68ba702.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/escanear0090_zpsf8c0a3c9.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 22, 2012, 12:26:05 PM
Jewels 2

 Queen Helen wears many time this earirings
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/REINAELENADERUMANIA_zpsd531d290.jpg)

In a party in Monaco Queen Anne wears the same earrings
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/tumblr_mabeuv8Qy51qg0umko1_250-1_zps41bc7091.gif)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 22, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
Queen Helen wear the Cartier collier

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/part55_zps5754c607.jpg)
 
 Sorry, I don`t know the site ( again )
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 22, 2012, 09:29:54 PM
Wasn't this at Philip and Elizabeth's wedding?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 24, 2012, 08:15:56 AM
jewels 3

 Some pearls erarrings we saw on Queen Helen, Margaret and Princess Marie wedding
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/2288163056_840d47e001_o_zps3a1baf1c.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/margarita300_zpsee7b93f3.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/RomaniaPrincessMargaritaEssexTiara1_zps6f03d50c.jpg)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/maria1_zpsa73b58fe.jpg)
(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/Roemenie4Marie19951_zps64277bf6.jpg)

I think they look the same
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2012, 02:28:14 PM
The tiara Margarita wore for her wedding wasn't a Romanian Royal Family heirloom.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: slavona on December 25, 2012, 04:27:55 AM
The Tiara belonged to the Countess of Essex . Later it was sold to Cartier (who had originally made it ) for their archives collection.
They in turn lent it to Princess Margarita.

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Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 25, 2012, 01:15:12 PM
Something borrowed I guess. Her sisters were married in the Greek Key Tiara that use to belong to Grand Duchess Victoria Feodorovna.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on December 25, 2012, 09:51:17 PM
The Tiara belonged to the Countess of Essex . Later it was sold to Cartier (who had originally made it ) for their archives collection.
They in turn lent it to Princess Margarita.

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The tiara was also worn by Clementine Churchill at Elizabeth II's coronation. Interestingly, after both were widowed, Adele was rumored to being engaged to the Duke of Connaught.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 26, 2012, 10:05:43 AM
Helen did not wear the long diamond chain that belonged to Missy (but Anne did) so I assume that was left to King Michael directly.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on January 19, 2013, 08:11:35 AM
Helen and her beloved son Michael :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/6741242eeezus.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=6741242eeezus.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2013, 12:39:43 AM
Lovely Picture. Where was it taken ? In London ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 07, 2013, 12:18:09 PM
Lovely Picture. Where was it taken ? In London ?

Why specially in London ? This photo dates the period of the regency when Helen lived daily in Rumania with her son become a king in 1927. So, I suppose that it was taken in Rumania, in Bucharest where one of the other houses of the royal family.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 07, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
In the seal of the image says "Sibiu" which is a city of Transylvania.

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
Did the family have a residence there ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 09, 2013, 06:00:14 AM
Did the family have a residence there ?

I see only the castle Peles, the summer residence of the royal family of Rumania, which was near Sibiu.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 09, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Maybe that is where the photo was taken.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on February 23, 2013, 07:52:35 AM
Helen and Mihai :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/550496eu011433.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=550496eu011433.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/709329janvier1927.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=709329janvier1927.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 09, 2013, 08:09:54 AM
Princess Helen, King Michael and Royal Family of Romania reviewing the troops in 1928 :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/949861anothermanifest.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=949861anothermanifest.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/413185chating.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=413185chating.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/795889emqm.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=795889emqm.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/260745paradetroops.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=260745paradetroops.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/899054motherson.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=899054motherson.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/855568publicmanifes.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=855568publicmanifes.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/433183qmem.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=433183qmem.jpg)

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/281187review.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=281187review.jpg)

If Helen discusses gladly with her mother-in-law Queen Marie, she exchanges, on the other hand, no word with her sister-in-law the ex-queen of Greece who is nevertheless by her side.

Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2013, 01:06:06 AM
Helen and Elisabetta were no longer friends at that point.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 16, 2013, 08:22:26 AM
Helen and Elisabetta were no longer friends at that point.

We can moreover wonder with which member of the royal family of Rumania, excepted the queen of Yugoslavia, Helen really had good relationships. We can only suppose that during the difficult period when she found herself without husband, the young woman had to feel very alone.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2013, 01:26:27 AM
Yes. But Missy was generally sympathetic to a point. Elisabetta was hostile.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: ashdean on March 17, 2013, 12:37:15 PM
Helen did not wear the long diamond chain that belonged to Missy (but Anne did) so I assume that was left to King Michael directly.
Helen did wear the Cartier chain at the festivities around the Royal wedding in in London 1947.There is a picture of her and her sister Irene leaving their hotel resplendent for a evening gala'
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2013, 02:45:36 PM
Helen did not wear the long diamond chain that belonged to Missy (but Anne did) so I assume that was left to King Michael directly.
Helen did wear the Cartier chain at the festivities around the Royal wedding in in London 1947.There is a picture of her and her sister Irene leaving their hotel resplendent for a evening gala'

Queen Helen wear the Cartier collier

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq148/slavona/part55_zps5754c607.jpg)
 
 Sorry, I don`t know the site ( again )
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2013, 07:57:19 PM
Was that the long chain ?
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on March 21, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
Yes. But Missy was generally sympathetic to a point. Elisabetta was hostile.

Doubtless because queen Marie did not maintain no relationships with her son Carol whereas Elisabeth continued, in spite of their estrangement, to have good relations with his brother. In fact, the queen of Yugoslavia was the only member of her family to manage to have cordial relations at the same time with her brother and with her ex sister in-law in spite of their divorce. It is true that Mignon was very close to certain members of the royal family of Greece among which some of them, as Princess Marina, were personal friends.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 21, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
I think the only person that Mignon did not like was Olga, Princess Paul of Yugoslavia. She made scenes because of her husbands's preference for Olga and her children rather than his own. Helen got along with her in-laws generally except Elisabetta, since she took her brother's side against her and her own husband took Helen's. Later she even slapped Helen in a flush of fury. 
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 06, 2013, 07:54:08 AM
Helen and her son surrounded with the royal family of Romania :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/450038regenti1927.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=450038regenti1927.jpg)

The long dress of queen Marie lets suppose that  the photo was taken in the first months of year 1930, third and last year of reign of young king Michael who, after the return of his father in June will become again simple crown prince whereas his mother will choose the exile.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 06, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
Also when Helen and Ileana were still talking to each other...
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on July 28, 2013, 12:19:36 PM
Early 1930's portrait :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/363911helenpiercebreaker18951939helenqueenofrumania1176906056461349.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=363911helenpiercebreaker18951939helenqueenofrumania1176906056461349.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2013, 04:38:42 PM
You have the letter ? Love to see it.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on August 17, 2013, 06:45:16 AM
Early 1930's portrait :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/363911helenpiercebreaker18951939helenqueenofrumania1176906056461349.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=363911helenpiercebreaker18951939helenqueenofrumania1176906056461349.jpg)

This photo would have been very well able to be captioned : " always smiling Helene ". Indeed, this alone woman who never said the evil of anybody reached this miracle to be constantly cheerful and optimistic, being so of use as model to her son Michael in front of injustices of the fate.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 28, 2013, 09:15:45 AM
Helen with a horse :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/487184helenwithhorse.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=487184helenwithhorse.jpg)

As many royals of the time, the young woman appreciated enormously the company of animals, that of dogs in particular. No indications however that she also had cats.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
I think Helen must have been a good rider, but I don't think she was horse crazy like Jackie O.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on October 12, 2013, 07:14:31 AM
Helen as little girl :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/965553helenegreecebyvoigt1898.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=965553helenegreecebyvoigt1898.png)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2013, 01:58:01 PM
Looks like a boy !
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on December 07, 2013, 07:21:45 AM
Beautiful portrait of the Queen Mother, 1941 :

(http://imagesup.org/images12/1386422402-regina-mamaelena5.jpg) (http://imagesup.org)
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on April 05, 2014, 10:36:46 AM
Helen reading :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/568246113623461.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=568246113623461.jpg)

Courtesy Getty images.

Rightly or wrongly, the princess had the reputation to be an intellectual.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 06, 2014, 10:27:45 PM
I believe so. She was a deep thinker.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on September 20, 2014, 11:07:46 AM
Charming portrait by Julieta :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/704601jth0Bq0NSM.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=704601jth0Bq0NSM.jpg)

Photo from VK.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
On October 18 2020, Queen Mother Helen of Romania, grandmother of Princess Margareta, current Guardian of the Crown of Romania, joined the Royal Crypt to rest next to her son. She died in 1982 and was buried in Switzerland, in the Bois-de-Vaux cemetery, in Lausanne. For two days, various events have been scheduled in order to repatriate the remains of the queen Mother Helen of Romania to the royal crypt of the new cathedral of Curtea de Argeș, an episcopal church where the kings of Romania are buried.

Since then, various reports or documentaries for have been broadcast to pay tribute to her, available on YouTube :

https://www.google.com/search?q=Regina-mam%C4%83+Elena+a+Rom%C3%A2niei&source=lmns&tbm=vid&bih=800&biw=1280&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=imnv&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji7Pqcl4LtAhUs5IUKHfgIBHMQ_AUoBHoECAAQBw#
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
Princess Helen during official ceremonies in Romania during the first reign of her son King Michael :

(https://www.hostpic.org/images/2011150419340347.jpg)[/URL]

(https://www.hostpic.org/images/2011150421170329.jpg)[/URL]

The second photo shows her alongside her cousin Princess Olga, wife of the future Regent Paul of Yugoslavia.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 15, 2020, 07:24:14 AM
On October 18 2020, Queen Mother Helen of Romania, grandmother of Princess Margareta, current Guardian of the Crown of Romania, joined the Royal Crypt to rest next to her son. She died in 1982 and was buried in Switzerland, in the Bois-de-Vaux cemetery, in Lausanne. For two days, various events have been scheduled in order to repatriate the remains of the queen Mother Helen of Romania to the royal crypt of the new cathedral of Curtea de Argeș, an episcopal church where the kings of Romania are buried.

Since then, various reports or documentaries for have been broadcast to pay tribute to her, available on YouTube :

https://www.google.com/search?q=Regina-mam%C4%83+Elena+a+Rom%C3%A2niei&source=lmns&tbm=vid&bih=800&biw=1280&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=imnv&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji7Pqcl4LtAhUs5IUKHfgIBHMQ_AUoBHoECAAQBw#

I have to correct a date error because the repatriation of the body of the Queen Mother took place in 2019 and not in 2020.
Title: Re: Queen Elena of Romania / Helen of Greece-Romania, Part 2
Post by: KarlandZita on November 19, 2020, 10:21:01 AM
Beautiful portrait of Princess Helen in 1934 :

(https://zupimages.net/up/20/47/c3y3.jpg) (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/47/c3y3.jpg)

Source : https://vk.com/the_house_of_romanov