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Discussions about Russian History => Research Russian Roots => Topic started by: missmoldavite on December 31, 2004, 07:30:30 PM

Title: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on December 31, 2004, 07:30:30 PM
My dad recently showed me a black & white picture of some members of his family before the revolution and before he was born. They are standing and sitting around what appears to be a really big man made mushroom. You know the ones with the red spots one sees in fairy stories.
It looked like it was a very beautiful garden and I would love to know where it is, as he says he doesn't remember. His nanny, though is also in the picture, she must have been nanny to the other children too, she was an abyssinian lady, and quite beautiful.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 31, 2004, 07:41:49 PM
What do you need help with?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Belochka on December 31, 2004, 07:51:22 PM
Hi There,

It is impossible to provide you any information when we cannot view the photograph you have described. In which country or city was the photograph taken?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 01, 2005, 05:19:07 AM
I think it may have been taken in the St Petersburg area, I will ask dad again next time I see him and also ask if I can have a copy...I am not sure he will let me have it, but I will try.
Thanks for helping me.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 01, 2005, 05:24:54 AM
Oh I see now I did not ask what help I required.

Sorry sometimes I assume people are mindreaders,
I do apologize!

I just wanted to know where exactly this garden is, or was. It just looks so magical and a different world.

Its hard because dad does not like me to ask too much, and I hesitate to ask too much as its hard for him too.

I wonder if many children that are born to russians that have been through the tough times have found it difficult to with their parents to speak of other times.

anyway just trying to understand a bit of family background. I would like to be able to tell my children a little of their grandfathers history.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Roman_Candle on January 02, 2005, 02:55:25 PM
Hi,

The search for family history can be a pretty meaningful quest. At the end of the day "Prince's or Pauper's" family is family.

I tried to get my Dad to talk about things before he died. He said more to me than most (in retro that meant alot). He would start and then stop quick because you could see it bothered him so I didn't push it.

I think if a person has been through alot you should wait for them to tell you. If pushing causes them pain it would be selfish on your part to try. Have you tried contacting other relatives that could enlighten you about your family history?  
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 02, 2005, 11:49:29 PM
He is the only one who has contact with them and he not the type to hand over any address or anything. I have asked but he does not do this. Even if I could write to some of my cousins and get to know them that would be great.
Although he does show me photos now and then and discusses  letters written to him. I think they also may be written in Russian and as I do not know(yet) how to read or write Russian its hmm challenging somewhat.
I wonder what will happen after he is gone? Will no-one know whom to write to?.
Do I just give up? Is it impossible?
I sometimes wish he never have started these discussions and shown me various items as it pains me to know only bits and pieces. One feels like a lost ship at sea not knowing family or roots.  :'(
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Roman_Candle on January 03, 2005, 01:14:02 AM
hmmm,

If he doesn't want to talk about it with you there isn't much you can do. You could get the letters translated either by teaching yourself Russian (cyrillic) or by paying someone to do it.

Is it impossible? I don't like to think anything is impossible. There may be important clues in letters, photo's birth certificates, envelopes etc. Ask him to leave a letter and family info in a safe place for you to find when he passes away along with his will. It may be easier for him to tell you that way. Either it's a trauma event or something that he is hiding out of fear?

It sounds like he is trying to tell you when he shows you the photo's. Try getting creative about your question asking. Russian vodka always works wonders! ;D If it really means that much to you TELL HIM THAT!!! If you want the info go after it then, but be gentle. Time is obviously a factor (sounds like) so "Git Working" :)

Do you have a biological brother? Another avenue to go down is genealogy through DNA. Agencies like Family Tree DNA and websites like Ysearch.org might be able to help. An example would be checking his genetic markers against those with the same family name. It may come down to the DNA matching your family name or it could be the odd one out? There is alot to learn about the science so be prepared for some reading. You also have to see it as an "indicator" to be backed up with other genealogical evidence...unless it's "unique" and starts "triggering" alarm bells! LOL

Give up? NEVER GIVE UP!!

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I sometimes wish he never have started these discussions and shown me various items as it pains me to know only bits and pieces. One feels like a lost ship at sea not knowing family or roots.

Bits and pieces are better than nothing. Once you find a clue the net can help you. The mormons have a good "family search" site and it costs you nothing. Trust me on this one...if I can find out mine when names etc were changed so can you. I also know what the "lone ship at sea" feels like even with a great (although disfunctional) family.   CHEER UP;D ;D ;D ;D think of it as a challenge or mystery to solve.
 
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 04, 2005, 04:52:40 AM
Thankyou so much, Roman Candle!
I guess I should try those 3 avenues hey?. I guess I am more concerned that what if they do find something and he gets distressed that I did this...and he doesn't have any privacy any more...
would it be too much for him? ???

I am going to see him on the weekend, but will have all the children with me so it will be a mite challenging just keeping them away from all the antiques and stuff, hope my nerves hold out! :o

" You will be good" You will not empty poppys shaving cream completely in the sink this time, nor will you go and pull all the dangly bits off that hanging cactus like you did last time, and definitely no farting nor picking of the nose".... tis NOT becoming at ALL, especially in front of people OK?...and if you get offered lemonade or sweets don;t you dare scoff it cos I will make you walk 100klm home just to burn off the sugar high...GOT IT?

scuse me was just having a rant...now back to the subject at hand.... ;D

I spose I could ask the doctors at the childrens hospital at randwick and westmead that have our DNA already on file, my fathers included...to do some extra stuff, that is, other than what they are already doing that is. Mind you, I have discussed a few things with them, so it would not come as a surprise If I asked about more DNA stuff, and it would help clear things a bit.

hmm. which one to choose from...
well, thanks again you have cheered me up no end!
THANKS! :-*
what do you think?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Roman_Candle on January 04, 2005, 09:11:05 PM
Hey!

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I guess I should try those 3 avenues hey?. I guess I am more concerned that what if they do find something and he gets distressed that I did this...and he doesn't have any privacy any more...
would it be too much for him?  
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Remember that there is a difference between knowing and knowing and telling things (good or bad). I think everyone deserves that privacy.

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You will be good" You will not empty poppys shaving cream completely in the sink this time, nor will you go and pull all the dangly bits off that hanging cactus like you did last time, and definitely no farting nor picking of the nose".... tis NOT becoming at ALL, especially in front of people OK?...and if you get offered lemonade or sweets don;t you dare scoff it cos I will make you walk 100klm home just to burn off the sugar high...GOT IT?

scuse me was just having a rant...now back to the subject at hand....
 ::) You crack me up! LOL

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I spose I could ask the doctors at the childrens hospital at randwick and westmead that have our DNA already on file, my fathers included...to do some extra stuff, that is, other than what they are already doing that is. Mind you, I have discussed a few things with them, so it would not come as a surprise If I asked about more DNA stuff, and it would help clear things a bit.

My opinion is that you have to look really close at things regarding DNA. If there are any family "irregular" results that you discuss them with someone who knows the situation without bringing them to your family. That whole discression thing.

I'm glad I could cheer you up!!   ;D  :-*

If you have any questions please just ask.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 04, 2005, 10:01:34 PM
Looks like am going to have a serious discussion with him, if he is up to it.
I have just had a phone call and he's in hospital again tommorrow (kidneys and prostrate)..we are all quite concerned...
Unexpectedly, how true your remark was about the time factor....did not expect it quite so suddenly..   ???
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Roman_Candle on January 05, 2005, 09:12:17 AM
Sorry to hear that.

Remember to stay positive because medical reports can be confusing. Don't loose sleep over them and anytime you want to think  ???  :(  :'(   just remember
8)  :)  :-* As people age kidney problems can frequent and serious, but you sound like a really good daughter. So even if you are just there with a shoulder or an outstretched hand for your Dad it will probably mean the world to him.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: AGRBear on January 05, 2005, 03:55:26 PM
Prayers to you and yours.

When people have so much tragedy in their lives,  if is so very difficult for them to repeat their story.

I'd ask the doctors for their opinion.  And, maybe, they have suggestions to help you.

Wanting to know about your family is important.  In fact,  in our family, because we had traced our roots,  the information saved my uncle when I told his wife, who told his doctors,  about an illness one of our ancestors had.  Turned out it was genetic and the doctor never thought to ask the right question.

AGRBear
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 08, 2005, 04:52:22 AM
Thank you all so much, your advice and help is greatly appreciated. Bless you all!! :D

Well he's much better.  No more blood in the urine, so we are all quite pleased. Lets hope it stays that way.
I got a little help from an angel or two and its amazing just what the power of prayer and a letter or two can achieve. Quite!!!
Anyway, asked him again about where that picture was taken (I call it the Majic Mushroom picture), anyway he said it was their summer residence, and that he could not recall the name of it. hmmm.
Also he showed me some more pictures. He was discussing his grandfather who built or had built lots of beautiful buildings, in Moscow. Apparently even a monastery(have to find out about that one).
Also, ages ago he mentioned Saint Sophia Haga Cathedral in Russia, and says his great grandfather (I think),
was a financial contributor and paid for renovations/extensions?.

He kept bringing up the name of the Orlovs so maybe he is related or part of that family?.
OH yes and he showed me a picture of where he went to school. I asked him for the name and he told me it was the Palace of Grand Duke Constantin. This was the school where he painted the lions balls out the front of the school red. There was quite a furore about it, as it was in communists times(he would not join the communist party), anyway he ran away from the teachers and got on top of the roof and shimmied down the gutters. The teachers were distraught as they just saw him go over the edge and thought he had died and they were worried about how they would tell his father, that is, until they looked over the edge and saw him on the ground, unharmed.
They were lets say, quite peeved, quite!!!!

Maybe someone here on this forum may recall this story, in their father or grandfather's time.

I must say this traight of "High Jinks"can definitely be traced back to my father, considering all the antics the males in our family get up to. I won't discuss the story of my nephew, who turned off the telephone exchange at a well to do italian hotel some years back..... ;D
or the fascination with lighting fires, and hot discussions about whose turn it is to light the fire (mine of course!)> ;D

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mike on January 09, 2005, 07:50:21 AM
This "surprise fountain" in Peterhof was, in XIX - early XX cc., painted as a mushroom: red with white spots. It is still referred to as Gribok (Little Mushroom).
(http://www.peterhof.ru/load_img.php?img=str/img/gribok.jpg)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on January 10, 2005, 06:53:38 AM
Gosh! Really? Must say I wish they would paint it back to the majic mushroom era!... Russia could sure use a little extra help right now(giggle) ;D. especially all the orphaned children (serious). :(

Well I must say this IS getting rather interesting!
Peterhof ? So then what does this mean?

Were the general public allowed access to this section of the garden? (my birth certificate says he is a carpenter from St Petersburg)...?

Tell me...is it possible in wintertime to skate from Peterhof to Estonia or Finland? . He's told me that he got out of Russia this way, and luckily there was a good wind that day behind him which helped move him along a fair bit.

Thanks again all of you. In 2 days I have learnt more on this forum than the last 10 years! Thank God!!! :)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Gulnara_Elrod on January 28, 2005, 09:00:02 AM
Yes, Peterhof is actually St. Petrsburg. This mashroom is , probably, located in the Peter the First's castle. In 1980-s I went there as a tourist, and there was many surprise places ( where water starts sprinkling on you suddenly). In reality, a person is sitting somewhere behind bushes and pushes the botton.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Gulnara_Elrod on January 28, 2005, 09:01:21 AM
Yes, St. petersburg is close to those places, where you ancestor ran to.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 28, 2005, 09:09:45 AM
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Peterhof is actually St. Petrsburg. This mashroom is , probably, located in the Peter the First's castle. In 1980-s I went there as a tourist, and there was many surprise places ( where water starts sprinkling on you suddenly). In reality, a person is sitting somewhere behind bushes and pushes the botton.


Peterhof is actually one of the suburbs of St Petersburg, a separate town, I think it is something like 10 miles outside of St Petersburg. I believe that back then, the general public was allowed in its gardens just like they are nowadays. As fas as the trick fountains go, I believe that it wasn't a person who was pushing a button, but that it is set up in a way that when you step on some area, the water squirts...

Missmoldavite, maybe you mean your father cross-country skied to Finland? I don't really see how he could have skated there... Plus I believe there is a body of water in between - The Gulf of Finland, but that could have been frozen over.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Gulnara_Elrod on January 28, 2005, 10:35:17 AM
I am telling the truth, I actually spoke to a man, who was sitting behind the bushes and pushing the stick, after we noticed him. He'd sprinkle water on anyone he wanted, no matter in which way they tried to step on stones. It was in 1980-s.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 28, 2005, 10:41:16 AM
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I am telling the truth, I actually spoke to a man, who was sitting behind the bushes and pushing the stick, after we noticed him. He'd sprinkle water on anyone he wanted, no matter in which way they tried to step on stones. It was in 1980-s.


That's actually pretty funny! When I was on a tour there, the guide told us they were pressure/ motion activated. Maybe they wanted to seem high tech  ;D!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Gulnara_Elrod on March 06, 2005, 01:15:14 PM
You can call it pressure-motion activated! :) As soon as someone applies pressure to a stone, the man's hand goes in motion.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on April 26, 2005, 01:23:26 AM
Sorry its been a while and I did not get any notifications!
Yes he skated over on the ICE, thats what he said. :P
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite on April 30, 2005, 05:20:19 AM
Anyone know what exactly "exons" are?

apparently 8 out of the 10 exons tested so far show that its definetly the deletion mutation inherited from female side?
Iv'e really got no idea what this means? ??? anyway first they said the deletion mutation came from dad , now they say no it comes from my mum, and its from an ancestor in england??They seem to get nervous when I ask about testing my fathers dna?...UK its too much! :-X
Last time I thought about doing this I got sooo stressed I gave myself a fever attack and got horrific pains in my kidneys...I mean I would like to know more as it is important for me and my childrens health!
They are suggesting I get help re my dad from a dna lab? but he would have to want to do that....!

ANYWAY back to my original topic...
Dad says that his father/grandfather was one of the tzars financial advisors...but my research has not shown any of his family's surnames, but then its possible I suppose. This ancestor also oversaw the building of the trans-siberian railway(which I also haven't found any surnames that fit either)...
funny about trains, must be a favourite thing with the males in our family!)Choo Choo and Toot Toot!
When dad got to australia I think it was around the 1940's he got a job in the railways, I think he loves trains!..a :-*nyway he worked for them right up until he retired.

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Gulnara_Elrod on June 25, 2005, 10:26:11 PM
Exon is a segment of DNA that is transcribed to RNA and specifies the sequence of a portion of a protein.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: David_Pritchard on June 25, 2005, 11:49:04 PM
It should be noted that present day Finland and Estonia of today are farther from Saint Petersburg than than they were before World War II.

The Tartu Peace Treaty of 1920 between Estonia and Russia established Estonia with a territory of 47 561 sq. km. In 1945 Russia attached the eastern border regions (territories east to Narva River and most of the Petseri/Pechory county on the south-eastern border) to its administration, in total 2334 sq. km or five per cent of Estonia's pre-war territory. Although Estonia's constitution foresees that 'the Estonian land border is established by the Tartu Peace Treaty of 1920 and other international treaties' in 1994 Estonia gave up all demands to the above mentioned regions.

Still, so far there exists no border agreement between Estonia and Russia, although physically the border line is established and border controls operate. The border locations on the map were agreed in 1999. Because of the Russia's refusal, the signing and ratification of a border agreement as an international treaty has not taken place.

I have been caught in the ice on a ship between Tallinn and Helsinki during the Winter and have had to be rescued by a Finnish Navy Icebreaker. Altough it looked as if some one could cross country ski or ice skate to Finland, I did see thin patches here and there. This would have been dangerous but could have been done. If one left from the north of Saint Petersburg, escape to Finland would have been easier than leaving from the southern side of the Gulf of Finland. Finland came very close to the city prior to the Winter War.

DAP

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Emerald on September 15, 2005, 02:08:23 PM
My own questions about my Grandmother are even more distant. Who ever she may have been were forced into oblivian too many many shock treatments to forget.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: tutsi on October 30, 2009, 08:48:26 PM
Hey I'm back. I was miss moldavite quite a WHILE BACK..... :)

Now I am Tutsi...tut~si....

Anywayyyy...heaps has happened.

I went to the UK quite a few years ago and had a meeting with Professor Hawkins of Royal Free London Hospital, in the Hemophelia section.(and its NOT hemophelia so put your swords away) LOL....Honestly, I'm in The Space of Love.........and its a lovely place to be..!

So this rare DNA we have was discussed and I was at that time in contact with a Mr David Smith, who also has this rare dna. He worked for a german company, can't recall the name right now.....but remember that he was really into russia and had visited quite a few times.....We lost touch as I was gong through a marriage ending, changed my email address..... and it was awful for a while...and a period of tremendous personal growth...(Thanks so MUCH Tony Robbins)!..
so hmm maybe just maybe he's a visitor on this site too..you never know!

My point is:

Does anyone else here have DELM694 and want to correspond?

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: tutsi on October 30, 2009, 08:58:34 PM
Ok more family history...
Dad was talking recently about Napoleon. He relayed some family info that his father told him about our family.
He said that in Napoleons last battle, the one at Borodin....it was between 2 hills. There was an estate house which was the summer house for our family. The battle was imminent, so my male descendant had a choice to either save the village or save their estate house. He chose to burn the estate house and go help the village/people.

He also said that one his decsendants(a male), way back in time...won the town of usov in a card game. From what I myself can ascertain there is a town called Usov which used to be part of russia but now is not. I am not sure if this is the town he is referring to or perhaps therre is another town in russia called Usov.

I would LOVE to know which town was the one WON in c ard game! ;D
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: tutsi on January 22, 2010, 05:41:09 AM
Wow so much has happened since I last posted here...apparently this rare DNA we have has been absolutely confirmed after 9 years of exhaustive tests, and it appears that we are related to the only other family in the world who also have it and they are an English Family. So we are officially related. And the last discussion was that there was some talk of doing more testing to ascertain how far back we are related.

Anyone up for a Twistie? LOL. God maybe its something like Henry the 8th.....You see, I have this thing about good looking calf muscles!

Or maybe Victoria and Albert....(loved the movie btw...she reminded me of Catherine of Aragon....beautiful hair and eyes...
BTW WHERE IS ROMAN CANDLE!



Tutsi
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 03:57:12 PM
I am back. Ok I have a lot more information now.
Shortly I will post a photo of the Estate house that my Father was born in. It was burnt down in WW2 years due to soldiers smoking downstairs who being billeted there. The Esate house no longer exists but apparently a couple of the outbuildings do. It has a caretaker apparently, according to my Father.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 04:00:23 PM
From Barry Lewis - Russian translater - translation notes and his comments: (please note the first 4 lines of type are what my Father has written on the back of the photo of his Great Grandfather Estate)

Russia

Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province

Where I was born in the room

Top right-hand window

[Translator's note: Russian Wikipedia mentions the village of Ivanovskoe (estates were usually named after villages) in Pereslavsky District, Yaroslavskaya Province. However, there appear to be two places in Yaroslavskaya Province called Ivanovskoe. Google maps shows two Ivanovskoye (note the different spelling) in Yaroslavskaya oblast (Yaroslavskaya Province). Locating places in Russia can be quite difficult, particular small places; they may have become part of a different province, their names may have changed etc. Do you have any other evidence, or the name of the district ["raion" in Russian] which might help?]

Addit: Upon asking my father to clarify, no further information was given. he closed up. Does anyone here know of this Estate and information about it. I feel its important for my family to know and for my children to know their russian roots.

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 04:15:44 PM
Here is a link to my facebook account to view the photo.

Moderators :If this is not allowed please inform me and I will remove. I have had photobucket acounts before and suchlike they are NOT safe and always get hacked in to.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219440074918787&l=8448818013
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
However, there appear to be two places in Yaroslavskaya Province called Ivanovskoe. Google maps shows two Ivanovskoye (note the different spelling)

Ivanovskoe and Ivanovskoye are both different transscription of Russian Ивановское.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 04:29:58 PM
Other information: Many years ago, in my 20's I found a member of the Shuvalov family on the internet and I emailed them, and asked them to find the oldest living member of their family and impart to them our deepest thanks, that we saluted them for helping my father.

My father said that he stayed with them after he skated across the ice to Estonia he stayed with the Shuvalov family. He also mentioned that a russian ballerina was also staying with them. He ended up working for a German shipbuilding and bridge building fiirm called H &H Eggers. I also gave them my fathers name and his address and asked them to somehow contact him.

I did not tell my father I had done this. I wanted to see if what he said was true, and if so, a lovely surprise for him and a healing of his feelings about what happened to Russia and the Russian people.

Imagine our surprise when around 6 months later, my father rang me very excited and happy to say that an unknown russian lady had knocked on his door and handed him a book from the Estate where he was born, he thought everything had been lost. It is a correctly catalogued book according to how the libray was organised in that time. It is a book about who the happiest man in russia is: The Tsar, The Archbishop or the Alcoholic.

I still did not tell my father I had done this. Some things are better left unsaid. It was lovely to see him so happy and full of joy. :)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 04:40:48 PM
A photo of our ancestors:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905 (ftp://https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905)

Fathers writing on back of photo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219453014917493&l=393d38b5fa
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 04:47:39 PM
Very interesting!

If your father's family owned the estate of Ivanovskoe, you could supply their name and it will be much easier to link them to the correct village.

The Ivanovskoe located at 56°48′35.98″ N and 39°00′29.16″ E has only 28 inhabitants. It was given by the Boyar Nikita Romanovich Zakharyin-Yuriev (grandfather of the first Romanov tsar) to the Pereslav Fyodorovsky Monastery, which owned it untill secularisation in 1764, according to Wikipedia. Who owned it afterwards? Your ancestors?

The other Ivanovskoe in Pereslavskiy Rayon doesn't have a Wikipedia entry and is classified as a "settlement".

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
A photo of our ancestors:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905 (ftp://https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905)

Fathers writing on back of photo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219453014917493&l=393d38b5fa

These links don't open.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Here is where it gets interesting! Thank you SO much for the information!

My father goes by the surname of Usov. I asked him about why he chose this name. This is what he told me: He said that when he was working at H&H Eggers....he was working in a large building...(I think from memory its was Lizt...or somethingsounding like that)he got leave one day to be able to go and watch a movie. When he came back...all the Germans had left the town and left all the supplies. He went upstairs to the radio room and turned it on and found out that the russians and the american forces were coming.

Apparently he was under instruction as they all were, that if the other armed forces came into town the bridge was to be blown up. Father chose not to follow orders thank God.

He also found all the supplies they had left in the building...huge amounts off food and army cigarettes. he took a box of them and asked the cook (who I think might have been Anna Kozlova)...to take some of his clothes for size and to go and find a tailor to make him an austrian set of clothes complete with a hat. They were made and he he then went out in them and found the person in the town in charge of the passport section. This man apparently had a HUGE moustache. One of those ones that drop down and then curl up at the ends.

Dad explained his story about who he really was and then gave the man another name to use for his passport, He apparently explained that he wanted to go under the polish version of that name and village as it would be safer. The official  agreed to help him and also mentioned that if he had any other people who needed help to send them to him, along with any further cartons of cigarettes. He and Anna set about organising the food supplies so that people could come and have food. She was the cook apparently.


Please be aware that my father would most likely "officially" be very upset with me for discussing him and his information, yet "privately" happy that I have.  He is married to a german lady and things are difficult between us at this time. My searched for history and the truth and my way of trying to help my father have been misconstrued by some members of the family who are not as awake as others are. I would ask that people do respect his privacy and ours. I want to share information about this courageous man who has been through so much and whom, I feel would in his heart like people to know the truth without it affecting him or us adversly. I am requesting benevolent outcomes around all of this for my Father whom I care deeply about.

I will shortly post some maps of his journey during those wartime years.

Thank you for helping me,

I am so grateful. :)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
A photo of our ancestors:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905 (ftp://https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905)

Fathers writing on back of photo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219453014917493&l=393d38b5fa

These links don't open.



Hmm... ok...must be due to my privacy options on facebook....if you would like to pm me your email I will send them that way, if that is ok.
Thank you for your help, much appreciated.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 05:25:14 PM
Ok see your email will email you.
:) I will be back tommorrow.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 05:31:59 PM
Hmm... ok...must be due to my privacy options on facebook....if you would like to pm me your email I will send them that way, if that is ok.

No thanks, when I google the company your father worked for I come across a site where you have engaged in really wacko discussions about the British monarchy!
Stop with the conspiracy theories and learn Russian instead! It's just as "esoteric knowledge" as the Cosmati pavement. And much more useful. :-)

BTW I admit sonething spooky happened just as I posted this:
The movie "Knowing" was running on my TV and Professor Koestler (Nicholas Cage) delivered the lecture:

KOESTLER: But that's a nice thought, right? Everything has a purpose, an order to it, is determined. But then there's the other side
of the argument, the theory of randomness, which says it's all simply coincidence. The very fact we exist is nothing
but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations. There is no grand meaning. There's no purpose.

STACEY: What about you, Professor Koestler?

- What?
- Well, what do you believe?

- I think shit just happens. But that's me. Class dismissed.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 05:46:22 PM
I appreciate your honesty and how you feel. I am learning russian. And the reasons I feel about the British Monarchy are very personal, due to the way me and my family members have been treated by them and stalked in the past and also by the doctors in the UK  investigating our DNA. I am pleased to say that the negative attitude from them has finally stopped and they have come on board. This is not about conspiracy. This is about Truth. If take the time you will see that I am no longer part of the site you have discussed. It was too negative, and so was I at the time.

This research I am doing here regarding my russian roots is about the truth about and nothing else but that.

Kind Regards


LOL I just read your above post. Synchronicity perhaps?

:)

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 05:47:53 PM
You believe Remagen is in Austria and the Russians advanced to the Rhine..... Either you are confusing WW2 with the Napoleonic Wars or you are nuts.....

Stalked by the British RF? Ever considered that they consider themselves stalked by thousands of nutters?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on March 15, 2014, 05:51:35 PM
Honestly all I know is what my Father has told me....again as I mentioned the name of the Austrian town was unclear...you must remember thayt my father IS very old...and I am going off what HE told me...I will contact my brother and do a double check ok....I may have the name of the town incorrect..back later!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on March 15, 2014, 06:05:35 PM
My father goes by the surname of Usov. I asked him about why he chose this name.
....
They were made and he he then went out in them and found the person in the town in charge of the passport section. This man apparently had a HUGE moustache. One of those ones that drop down and then curl up at the ends.
OK, so your father chose a pseudonym based on Russian ус, moustache, because the passport official had a huge moustache. But this name is no help linking him with Ivanovskoe.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 07, 2014, 08:30:32 AM
 Further info in relation to the name Usov - his great grandfather or great great gradfather won the town of Usov in a card game. Research has indicated that it could be town of Usov in Moravia - which has an interesting history and there is also a castle - Usov:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Asov

I have two photos which he gave me a little while back. One is of the Estate House previously mentioned with his russian writing on the back which has been translated for me by Barry Lewis whom I have had contact with over the last 10 years or so with other things for translation.

The other photo is a photo of his family in 1910. I do not want to place these photos on photobucket or any other such site as I have had problems previously with intruders hacking in. My facebook page is only for my friends that I know i can trust so I am not going to make that public for all and sundry either, again I have had problems previously with intruders when it has been made available to all and sundry.

Is it not possible for me simply upload them from my computer directly here? He has given me the names of family members, as in their first names, but not their surnames.

I did ask an admin to help me via emailing them as attachments but was refused, could this please be reconsidered.

The other thing I do know is that and this was confirmed by Professor Stewart (Part of the London Royal Free - haematology section) is we are related some 6 generations back via a common ancestor. I was told this around 5 years ago. This puts a timeframe of late 1700's and early 1800's. I was informed I was related to a family called "Smith", whom I am also in contact with. After some discussions with him he urged to me to write a letter to the British Royal Family, but not to expect too much as they would probably get one their "lackeys" to respond. I informed him that I had already done that in 2003 and had received a response from the Queens "lackey"  to say that "No member of the British Royal Family could help me". However, the reply that came back from Prince Charles was distinctly warmer in that his lackey had conveyed via Prince Charles that "It was good of me to write about my father". I as lo explained that after the really awful things that started happening after that, to me and my friends made me feel distinctly unwilling to attempt another letter. I had tried to explain things as they were and it wasn't probably written in the "correct" way to be received. I also was unaware of the old history that has played out from between the Russian and the English Royal families prior.

I have also been informed that there are only 21 people in the world that share this particular autosomal dominant deletion mutation. I don't know exactly what this means - if anything..yet. however the London Royal Free Lab c/o Professor Hawkins and also the Jack O"Neil Lab, are now doing further testing, after I emailed them some further information about my father and those particular 2 photos I have discussed here.

So far we know that all people with this delm694 all come from Northern European heritage. They think there is a common ancestor that links all of the 21 people that have it (plus my family).

My Father is Russian and born in Russia and my mother is English. Mothers family come from Wiltshire, Mildenhall, yet none of them seem to have a history of anything like this, and they go back many generations there. I had wondered if perhaps way back in mothers family there may have been a connection to Russian Nobility...6 generations ago....Tsar Alexander 1st?.....and this, teamed up with my fathers DNA has somehow produced this exceedingly rare thing we have.

Onwards and Upwards! Lets work it all out, if you can help me, please do so, because its driving me nutty. lol

Susannah.







Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 07, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
Some names written down by a family member in russia...this might help....There IS an offical family tree I saw only once many years ago with a crest at the top, it was a huge piece of old paper/parchment. Apparently its now gone missing. ::)  This is all I have for the moment.....just have given some of the names showing.

Nikolai Nikolaevitch Voronin - Born 1809 - Died 1962
Nikolai Vladimirovich Glavinsky - Born 1931 - Died 1998
Olga Dmitrevna Glavinskaya 1909 - 1020
Nikolai Ivanovich Pavlov - Born 1915 - Died 1997
Aleksandra Mikhhailovna Batyreva Born 1888 Died 1924

 other names noted:
Korolev
Smirnov
Aksenova
Borisenko
Pavlov
Popov

Dads mother apparently was french from the deNote (DeNote) family? This doesn't make sense to me from what I can see her name was actually Lidiya Nikolaevitch Melnikova Born 1902...dad said something about her having to change her name to a russian name to be able to stay in russia then to marry my grandfather:

Lidiya Nikolaevitch Melnikova Born 1902 - Died?? (before my grandfather)
Nikolai Mikhailovich Usov Born 1895 - Died 1967
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Forum Admin on April 07, 2014, 09:56:33 AM

Is it not possible for me simply upload them from my computer directly here? He has given me the names of family members, as in their first names, but not their surnames.

I did ask an admin to help me via emailing them as attachments but was refused, could this please be reconsidered.


The Rules are in place for a reason.  We do not have the time nor server capacity to upload photos for users, else we would have to provide that service for everyone, which would take up a tremendous amount of my time and our server capacity.  We have 8000 users for pete's sake.

There are four or five free sources to upload your photos. Photobucket, snapfish, Flickr, etc.  Nobody else has problems using these here. The choice to refuse to avail yourself of one is YOURS.  This subject is no longer for discussion.

Thank you.

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 07, 2014, 10:26:02 AM
Further info in relation to the name Usov - his great grandfather or great great gradfather won the town of Usov in a card game. Research has indicated that it could be town of Usov in Moravia - which has an interesting history and there is also a castle - Usov:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Asov

That kind of "research" then indicates that you are a Princess of Liechtenstein, since they held the castle of Úsov in Moravia from 1622 to 1945.....

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The other thing I do know is that and this was confirmed by Professor Stewart (Part of the London Royal Free - haematology section) is we are related some 6 generations back via a common ancestor. I was told this around 5 years ago. This puts a timeframe of late 1700's and early 1800's. I was informed I was related to a family called "Smith", whom I am also in contact with. After some discussions with him he urged to me to write a letter to the British Royal Family, but not to expect too much as they would probably get one their "lackeys" to respond. I informed him that I had already done that in 2003 and had received a response from the Queens "lackey"  to say that "No member of the British Royal Family could help me". However, the reply that came back from Prince Charles was distinctly warmer in that his lackey had conveyed via Prince Charles that "It was good of me to write about my father". I as lo explained that after the really awful things that started happening after that, to me and my friends made me feel distinctly unwilling to attempt another letter. I had tried to explain things as they were and it wasn't probably written in the "correct" way to be received. I also was unaware of the old history that has played out from between the Russian and the English Royal families prior.

I have also been informed that there are only 21 people in the world that share this particular autosomal dominant deletion mutation. I don't know exactly what this means - if anything..yet. however the London Royal Free Lab c/o Professor Hawkins and also the Jack O"Neil Lab, are now doing further testing, after I emailed them some further information about my father and those particular 2 photos I have discussed here.

So far we know that all people with this delm694 all come from Northern European heritage. They think there is a common ancestor that links all of the 21 people that have it (plus my family).

So sad if your family dynamics make you believe that simply being related to someone is so unique that it makes you royalty.

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Lets work it all out, if you can help me, please do so, because its driving me nutty. lol
Indeed....
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 07, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
Lidiya Nikolaevitch Melnikova Born 1902 - Died?? (before my grandfather)

Oh, I never knew that melnik is miller in Russian and Melnikov Miller!

You sure your miller ancestors didn't own the town of Mělník in Bohemia and that you're a descendant of the god Thor himself, with his hammer Mjǫlnir? That would explain the surname Batyreva, batyr being another form of bogatyr....

Hey, and Reichstadt / Zákupy is not that far away... Perhaps you are a descendant of l'Aiglon himself? That would explain the surname Voronin = Raven!

Your connections to the British RF are sooo lame and run-of-the-mill compared to this ancestry, which is much more distinguished.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 08, 2014, 07:20:24 AM
LOL to all the replies, I can see the "pack of Corsair" energy is quite rife!

I'm here because I am asking for help, I don't know all the answers and I am trying to ascertain what exactly the truth is. I am here because I am choosing to research my RUSSIAN ancestry. If I had had more information and an awareness as I do now I would have contacted a Russian historian in the first place. I literally only just received the ancestor surnames etc less than a year ago after asking for many years.

Am sharing what I am aware of and do know. I can't possibly be a Princess of Lichenstein or a member of a royal family so what is dad on about when he says one of his ancestors won the Town of Usov in a card game....unless it was before the Dukes of Lichenstein?

Like I mentioned I do not know if the DNA has anything to do with it or not - please read the post properly before assuming. Am sharing what I do know so I can work it out not only for me and my children but also my elder brothers  should they also choose to know about their russian ancestry.

If you choose to help please do so. And be please kinder. Noble, not ignoble.

Thank you!





Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 08, 2014, 08:08:49 AM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3830/13715472813_32d127746f_n.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5211/13715400875_02fd1c310b_n.jpg)

Photo of my fathers family and his notes on back of photo.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 08, 2014, 08:13:36 AM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/13715809964_a31d64af75_n.jpg)

Dads writing on back of photo:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2880/13715797164_4ea28486f9_n.jpg)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 08, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Am sharing what I am aware of and do know. I can't possibly be a Princess of Lichenstein or a member of a royal family so what is dad on about when he says one of his ancestors won the Town of Usov in a card game....unless it was before the Dukes of Lichenstein?

You do know how feudalism and serfdom worked, I presume? That Russian landlords could sell and bet their estates with the serfs living on them untill the Abolition of Serfdom in the 1860s.

If the story is true it is more likely it was the small village of Usov in Pervomayskiy (1st of May) rayon, in the Orenburg governate / oblast.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 09, 2014, 06:41:07 PM
Thank you! Yes I am well aware aware of how serfdom and feudalism worked.

I thought too it also might have been small village of Usov in Pervomayskiy (1st of May) rayon, in the Orenburg governate / oblast... However dad said it was in Moravia which he said was at that time part of Russia.

Any thoughts on the photos of the family and of the Estate House where dad was born?

From what I have been able to ascertain the Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province was inherited by Tolstoy in the late 1800's. After that I do not know who owned it or what the status of the Estate is now. Probably a museum?

It would help to be able to know whom to contact in relation the Estate's history. Which I am working on. Probably Barry Lewis is my best shot at the moment due to his knowledge and experience. That would then help my brothers and I work out more of our Fathers russian ancestry.

I am taking the brunt of the research and have been for many years. I want my children and my brothers children to know and to experience their deep russian history and to embrace it, should they so choose to do so.

Many Thanks for taking the time to assist us, it is most appreciated.

This is what it looks like now:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/natibelitskaya/8781521379/in/photostream/
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 10, 2014, 03:04:35 AM
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I thought too it also might have been small village of Usov in Pervomayskiy (1st of May) rayon, in the Orenburg governate / oblast... However dad said it was in Moravia which he said was at that time part of Russia.
Moravia / Morava / Mähren was a part of the Habsburg Empire 1526-1919.

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This is what it looks like now:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/natibelitskaya/8781521379/in/photostream/
This is not Ivanskoye in Yaroslavskaya Oblast, but an Ivanskoye in the town of Podolsk in the Moscow Region. This is the grand estate that was owned by a (not the) Count Tolstoy in the 19th century.
Can't you see that the estate in the picture you got from your father looks much more modest than this palatial Ivanskoye???

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It would help to be able to know whom to contact in relation the Estate's history. Which I am working on. Probably Barry Lewis is my best shot at the moment due to his knowledge and experience. That would then help my brothers and I work out more of our Fathers russian ancestry.
Why not try the regional cultural authorities or even tourist authorities, to begin with? http://www.yarregion.ru/eng/default.aspx (http://www.yarregion.ru/eng/default.aspx)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 10, 2014, 10:51:59 AM
After that I do not know who owned it or what the status of the Estate is now. Probably a museum?

You said yourself that it was burned down during WW2, so there is no reason for it to be a musem. If the manor house itself is gone there is not much to see, museum-wise.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 10, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
Some names written down by a family member in russia...this might help....There IS an offical family tree I saw only once many years ago with a crest at the top,

Did it resemble this (the Usov arms): http://gerbovnik.ru/arms/640.html (http://gerbovnik.ru/arms/640.html)?
Or see here, for a colour rendering on the Wikipedia page of the noble family of Usov: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B)
The 19th century Usovs listed there seem real enough, but then it lists some modern Usovs, including:
Усов Алексей Анатольевич (1973 -по наст.вр.)Умный,Красивый,женатый Майор
=
Usov, Alexey Anatolevich (1973 - present)Smart, beautiful, married, mayor.

Well, anyone can edit Wikipedia....

NB the links above show the Usov (coat of) arms. It's erronous to call it "crest", because a crest is what is on top of the shield (or helmet), i.e. in the Usovs' case an upright golden arrow between two white wings.


Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 10, 2014, 09:12:42 PM
"This is not Ivanskoye in Yaroslavskaya Oblast, but an Ivanskoye in the town of Podolsk in the Moscow Region. This is the grand estate that was owned by a (not the) Count Tolstoy in the 19th century.
Can't you see that the estate in the picture you got from your father looks much more modest than this palatial Ivanskoye???"

Yes I had wondered about that, I didn't know what to think other than possibly it had been rebuilt at some stage - and added on to ....and that the photo my father gave me doesn't show ALL of the Estate house, just a portion of it.....thank you for explaining! Looks like some lovely birch trees out the front.

Doesn't dads writing specifically say: "Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province" ??? hmm.

No that family crest doesn't look anything like what my father showed me or made for me...when I was a round 10 years of age, he made me 2 wooden shields to put on the wall, and placed on each shield : one is of a brown russian bear on a pale blue background with a long cutting implement over its left shoulder and the blade is curved amd white, the other shield is of a golden eagle in descent mode on a white background then a blue line and underneath that a red background with two of the same style of cutting implenets as the bear, but they are crossed over, and the curved blades are golden in colour.

I do really like those Usov arms you showed me....much better though! All very interesting indeed!

??? I can take a photo of them and post if that would help - ?

Thank you so much! :)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 10, 2014, 09:34:59 PM
Usov family translated into English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D0%25A3%25D1%2581%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D1%258B&edit-text=&act=url


I don't know what to think! WOW this is great! Thank you! One thing that DOES add up is that Dad said one of his relatives helped to build the Railway in Russia and that he was an engineer...I note that there is mentioned in the link you have given me re the Usov family a certain:

 Peter S. Usov (1832 - 1897) - Engineer of Railways , the brother of the previous. The last 27 years of his life was an inspector of water pipes and lighting at the St. Petersburg local authority. At the beginning of 1860. Usov published "The course of the building art", at one time was of great importance, as the only major guide on Russian language . The course still has not lost value. Furthermore, Usov published many translations and compilations of works on different branches of engineering. Of these, the most important: "Steam mechanics" Weisbach (in collaboration with others), "Reference book for engineers and architects" (St. Petersburg, 1884); "Asphalt work" (St. Petersburg, 1886), etc. [4]

He also mentioned that one of his relatives was  a financial advisor to the Tsar of Russia, but typically he hasn't told us which Tsar! can you help us there?

I know my brother Peter especially will be pleased with what I have been able to find out so far! :)

 :)




 
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 10, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
PS Does this mean we are able to have citizenship in Russia - I wonder if we are able to have dual for Australia and Russia! Oh I'm so happy- fridays is truly the day of love!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 10, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
Just had another good look at the Usov Coat of Arms and I got goosebumps!.....because....interestingly...I recall a dream I had some 10 years ago when I started my family research and started meditating...I dreamt the Lady of the Lake's hand came up out of the water as I was galloping my white horse over it and I took the sword and threw it high up as high as I could and I watched it up fly into the air pointing upwards where upon it became two doves of peace, on each side of the sword.... interestingly the Usov coat of arms you have shown me is of an arrow pointing upwards with a wing on each side!

Hmm wonder why Dad did those wooden coat of arms/crests and what they mean???

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 11, 2014, 04:39:53 AM
The book that Father was that was given to him is from the Estate where he was born. It is correctly catalogued and identifiable from that Estate. ;D

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 11, 2014, 08:37:40 AM
Doesn't dads writing specifically say: "Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province" ??? hmm.
Yes, so it can't be Ivanovskoye in Podolsk, which in Imperial times was in Moskovskaya Province.

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No that family crest doesn't look anything like what my father showed me or made for me...when I was a round 10 years of age, he made me 2 wooden shields to put on the wall, and placed on each shield : one is of a brown russian bear on a pale blue background with a long cutting implement over its left shoulder and the blade is curved amd white
No doubt the arms of Yaroslavskaya Province / Guberniya:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Coat_of_Arms_of_Yaroslavl_gubernia_%28Russian_empire%29.png?uselang=ru)
Note that there are several versions with slightly different colours and details. Today the oblast uses a version with a brown bear and a golden field.

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the other shield is of a golden eagle in descent mode on a white background then a blue line and underneath that a red background with two of the same style of cutting implenets as the bear, but they are crossed over, and the curved blades are golden in colour.
Sounds vaguely like the arms of Orenburgskaya Province, but could also be something else:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Coat_of_Arms_of_Orenburg_gubernia_%28Russian_empire%29.png?uselang=ru)

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??? I can take a photo of them and post if that would help - ?
Sure.

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Thank you so much! :)
You are welcome :-)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 11, 2014, 08:57:07 AM
I don't know what to think! WOW this is great! Thank you! One thing that DOES add up is that Dad said one of his relatives helped to build the Railway in Russia and that he was an engineer...I note that there is mentioned in the link you have given me re the Usov family a certain:

 Peter S. Usov (1832 - 1897) - Engineer of Railways , the brother of the previous.....
Interesting.

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He also mentioned that one of his relatives was  a financial advisor to the Tsar of Russia, but typically he hasn't told us which Tsar! can you help us there?
No. And do note that chinovniki / officials in the Russian Empire often had service ranks (see the Table of Ranks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks)) that sound like they were close to the Emperor (e.g. tainiy sovetnik, privy / secret / private councillor to His Imperial Majesty or nadvorniy sovetnik, court councillor to HIM), when in reality it usually were middling manager-level bureaucrats out in the provinces.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 11, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
PS Does this mean we are able to have citizenship in Russia - I wonder if we are able to have dual for Australia and Russia! Oh I'm so happy- fridays is truly the day of love!

I don't think so. Seems like Russia only allows dual citizenship with Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Armenia. Besides, you havent proved that your father was born in Russia. How old is he? He must be close to 100!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 11, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
Just had another good look at the Usov Coat of Arms and I got goosebumps!.....because....interestingly...I recall a dream I had some 10 years ago when I started my family research and started meditating...I dreamt the Lady of the Lake's hand came up out of the water as I was galloping my white horse over it and I took the sword and threw it high up as high as I could and I watched it up fly into the air pointing upwards where upon it became two doves of peace, on each side of the sword.... interestingly the Usov coat of arms you have shown me is of an arrow pointing upwards with a wing on each side!

Hmm wonder why Dad did those wooden coat of arms/crests and what they mean???

Stick with the facts instead of dreams. A sword is not an arrow.
If your father didn't make and display the Usov arms I pointed you too, I'd say that's evidence that your family is not that noble Usov family. Because surely he knew his own arms if he grew up in a Russian noble family.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 12, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
From Barry Lewis - Russian translater - translation notes and his comments: (please note the first 4 lines of type are what my Father has written on the back of the photo of his Great Grandfather Estate)

Russia

Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province

Where I was born in the room

Top right-hand window

[Translator's note: Russian Wikipedia mentions the village of Ivanovskoe (estates were usually named after villages) in Pereslavsky District, Yaroslavskaya Province. However, there appear to be two places in Yaroslavskaya Province called Ivanovskoe. Google maps shows two Ivanovskoye (note the different spelling) in Yaroslavskaya oblast (Yaroslavskaya Province). Locating places in Russia can be quite difficult, particular small places; they may have become part of a different province, their names may have changed etc. Do you have any other evidence, or the name of the district ["raion" in Russian] which might help?]

Addit: Upon asking my father to clarify, no further information was given. he closed up. Does anyone here know of this Estate and information about it. I feel its important for my family to know and for my children to know their russian roots.

There are not just two Ivanovskoyes in Yaroslavskaya Oblast, but 30-40! See http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5 (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5) and scroll down to "Ярославская область".
Do you have any evidence that it's one of the two in Pereslavskiy Rayon?
Most of them are classified as деревня, hamlet, a few as село, church village or посёлок, settlement or housing estate.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 12, 2014, 12:34:49 PM
Ruined manor house on the estate of Ivanovskoye, belonging to the Rudakov noble family, in Rostovskiy Rayon in Yaroslavskaya Oblast: http://ojkumena-od.blogspot.no/2013/10/blog-post_20.html (http://ojkumena-od.blogspot.no/2013/10/blog-post_20.html)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 12, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
Ruined manor house on the estate of Ivanovskoye, belonging to the Rudakov noble family, in Rostovskiy Rayon in Yaroslavskaya Oblast: http://ojkumena-od.blogspot.no/2013/10/blog-post_20.html (http://ojkumena-od.blogspot.no/2013/10/blog-post_20.html)

Eureka!

The last part of that blog post says:
В начале XX века принадлежала дворянам Усовым представителям древнего рода, берущих свое начало от выехавшего в 1447 г. из Литвы к великому князю Василию Васильевичу Лаврентия Уса.
=
At the beginning of the 20th century it belonged to the noble family Usov, representatives of an ancient lineage originating from Lavrentiy Usa, who in 1447 left Lithuania for Grand Duke Vasily Vasilyevich.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 12, 2014, 12:52:14 PM
Sites about the village of Ivanovo-Rudakovo in which the estate of Ivanovskoye was located:
http://ivanovo-rudakovo.narod.ru/ (http://ivanovo-rudakovo.narod.ru/)
http://vk.com/club17424122 (http://vk.com/club17424122)
Some places it's claimed it's in Borisoglebskiy Rayon.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 12, 2014, 01:25:23 PM
The two-storey lines of parallell windows certainly fit with your father's photograph!

Arms of the Rudakovs who owned the estate before the Usovs: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B)

In Imperial times it was located in
Новоселко-Пеньковская волость = Novoselsko-Penkovskaya Volost (a type of district)
Ростовский уезд = Rostov(skiy) uyezd (district, like modern rayon)

It is confusing that both names, Ivanovo and Ivanovskoye, are used. Do note that the latter is the adjective (in neuter form) of the former. Ivanovskoye refers to the estate and was thus the pre-Revolutionary name. Ivanovo is the modern name and refers to the village. The suffix Rudakovo is of course derived from the Rudakov family.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 13, 2014, 05:31:38 AM
He also said that one his decsendants(a male), way back in time...won the town of usov in a card game. From what I myself can ascertain there is a town called Usov which used to be part of russia but now is not. I am not sure if this is the town he is referring to or perhaps therre is another town in russia called Usov.

I would LOVE to know which town was the one WON in c ard game! ;D

This must refer to Usovo, which is in the Moscow region, southwest of the city, on the right / southern bank of the Moskva river, opposite side from the famous Illinskoye (estate of Grand Duke Sergey Alexandrovich.) The Yussupovs' equally famous estate Arkhangelskoye is a little downstream towards the city centre.

Usovo was allegedly given to the legendary Lavrentiy Usa from Lithuania, but was later owned by various prominent nobles and families and was also lost in card games. See http://www.usovo.ru/history/ (http://www.usovo.ru/history/)
Quote
Усово проигрывали в карты
= Usovo was lost at cards...
In more recent times it belonged to the Imperial family, more precisely Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovich. Thus it is discussed in connection with the exile of Dmitry Pavlovich after his murder of Rasputin. See here: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=230.510 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=230.510)
Today it belongs to the Russian state and is used by the Russian prime minister.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 14, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Dad is very old. Born around 1920 apparently. He came here to Australia on a boat-I think it was called "The Friendship" with his wife Anna. (I will double check with my brother Peter). There are australian ship records of this.

Here is a photo of my father taken when in 1978, and the photos of the crests he made us.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3739/13862872143_4b59718b9f_m.jpg)



(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5196/13862954974_26ab3916c7_m.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5052/13862601353_2def5a86f7_m.jpg)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 14, 2014, 10:42:07 PM
Barry Lewis english translation of Dad's writing on back of photos is:
1) Usov Family 1910 [?] c-715 [?]

Top

From left to right > my pat..[unclear word], Dmitry, my father,

his twin Alexandr, my grandfather below, my uncle Konstantin, Anastasia, my grandmother Maria,

below: from left, my uncle Fedor, Anna, my

goodmother [?](probably Godmother), Anastasia, Sergei, and my Grandmother

2) Russia

Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province

Where I was born in the room

Top right-hand window


Also: Photo of my Grandfather Nicholas (My Fathers's father)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/13863037725_0f8b6423d5_n.jpg)

Very interesting information you have very kindly helped so much. Thank you.

I will also post photo of book showing cataloguing from Estate House. My brother will ask Dad if he can photograph it.





Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 14, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
I also have a 1906 Russian Bond. It in itself is not worth anything really but the history behind who purchased it is of historical interest, according to my Father, who gave it to me many years ago. I think it also might have come out of that book from the Estate where he was born?...maybe/maybe not....

I am now wondering if this is also another link to our Russian family....could certainly prove worth looking into...

Records are apparently kept in the Kremlin according to back Office Bonds - Societe Generale whom I also contacted many years ago in relation to its history.

I did check with a retired Romanov lawer who lived in Sydney, (on Victoria Road, he owns/ed a gymn and lived on the upper 2 levels)....he said he could go to Russia and access the records but that I would need a family tree to prove who WE were first.  I asked Dad and then he clammed up and changed his story and thats when apparently the family tree became missing.

 :-\



Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 15, 2014, 01:21:39 AM
Some aspects are puzzling to me....Dad purchased a ceremonial sword that had belonged to the Tsars Brother, Michael many years ago in Sydney.

I wasn't sure and playing the family detective and historian,  I checked out one of the Romanov Sites and I recognised it quite by chance there happened to be an article about it. I contacted the sites owner and asked about it. I then asked my father how he came to know what it was - he said that he had recognised it from his early life, but that the seller of the sword did not know what he had. (I have suggested that he upon his death, instruct the sword to go back to Russia). Scratching my head as for him to have known about and and have seen it in his younger years - he would have had to of been born much earlier?!

The other thing is that my Mother maintains that Father gave an incorrect date of age to be able to get entry into Australia and that he was some 10 years older than the age he had given. Apparently it was because there was an age restriction - if you were over a certain age they would not accept you in as you were deemed to not be able to support yourself.

I then asked my Father if he had a birth certificate from Russia. He said no, because of where he was born and who he was, everyone knew about it. I asked him if he had any documentation at all to prove who he was. He said that he had placed some jars of russian soil along with his documents into a suitcase back ion those years before he exited Russia and had put them on a boat. He then travelled separately; ie not on the boat, to go and retrieve them at the other end. When he got there he said the Germans and I am assuming it must have the been the High Command  had taken possesion of his suitcase and were walking off with it as he arrived to get it out - so he was never able to retrieve it. I mentioned this particular aspect to the Lawer in 2009 when I went to see him.

The other thing is he says he and his family would holiday at Yalta in summertime, and that it was the place where Stalin, Rooselvelt, and Churchill. He also has mentioned the Yelagin- which is the Alexander Palace. So maybe then he is not a Usov but that he took on that name to get out of Russia, which is indeed what he said when I asked him.

I wonder if he was from some other family and was placed with the Usov family? Noble families in Europe did do this type of thing...This could explain things somewhat.

IF its true that he is much older then this is truly amazing, that would make him 100 or so years old! even if though he is t 95 he is still amazing! Still sound in body, mind and spirit...still driving, shopping and doing all the things an 80 year old would do if in good health!

All in all its been an excrutiatingly difficult thing to piece together and we are not done yet... I'm wondering now if it might be a very good idea to see if he would permit Barry Lewis to come and speak with him. Often a person who is specialist can ask the right questions and shed light on things. I will ask my brother to see if it can be done.

Thanks again for being a good man and helping us out.

 :-*




Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 15, 2014, 04:51:40 AM
I'm glad to help and glad that your father is in such good health, in his very old age.

and the photos of the crests he made us.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5196/13862954974_26ab3916c7_m.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5052/13862601353_2def5a86f7_m.jpg)

The upper one is no doubt the arms of the Yaroslavskaya Guberniya, but the second one looks odd to me. I am more likely to believe it's a falcon, rather than an eagle. (BTW a downwards falcon is the alleged arms of the early Rurikid dynasty and as such a likely inspiration for the modern tryzub arms of Ukraina.) I have never seen any traditional Russian arms that look like this, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's some recent, municipal arms.

Have you shown your father the picture from Ivanovo-Rudakovo to see if he recognizes it?

Some aspects are puzzling to me....Dad purchased a ceremonial sword that had belonged to the Tsars Brother, Michael many years ago in Sydney.

I wasn't sure and playing the family detective and historian,  I checked out one of the Romanov Sites and I recognised it quite by chance there happened to be an article about it. I contacted the sites owner and asked about it.

Why don't you show it to us and I'm sure the military experts here will verify that it's just the ceremonial sword of some lowly Tsarist officer.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 15, 2014, 05:07:25 AM

Also: Photo of my Grandfather Nicholas (My Fathers's father)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/13863037725_0f8b6423d5_n.jpg)

You should ask Mike, the resident Imperial military expert if he can identify your grandfather's rank and service branch from his uniform.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mike on April 15, 2014, 05:29:29 AM
Might try, but from a much larger image.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 19, 2014, 04:10:20 AM
Thank you for being so kind, so relieved,  was concerned as to what might happen when I spoke up.

I will do my best to be able to place some photos of the sword. Dad was well known at the Antique Fairs in Sydney for many years for his expertise regarding swords and russian icons. He also had a good friend who owns/ed a shop called "Tsarinas" in Sydney.

I also was informed that for many years the Archbishop of the Russian Orthodox Church in Strathfield paid my father many visits, probably still does.

From memory dad said that the lady from Sothebys here in Australia came to see him many years ago and photographed his collection for a book about the Romanov collection to go on sale. She later then went to work in London at the Sotheby's office there. I do not know her name, was just informed by my father about it. She actually went to his home to meet with him to discuss. Apparently she was amazed. She may be the best bet at the moment regarding verifying the sword because as it stands today my elder brothers are not yet in alignment with me in being a team...sharing this information. I am in the bad books, for speaking up, about a number of things. Put it that way.

I do admit for making some errors of judgement in the past but hey you learn form your mistakes. Unfortunate situation, I have asked for forgiveness and am putting a prayer out that good will prevail. I think there is probably a good deal of fear around it for them as well which they have got from Dad, due to his circumstances and what happened to him.

Yes, I did pass on via email your links you gave me and explained to please show dad and ask if some items could be photographed. I am not certain that my brother will be able to do this and whether he will in fact pass it on either. It can be difficult at times to be able to speak with Dad privately as his german wife is very very protective of him, understandably, but it does create a problem at times.

Barry Lewis was emailed the other day to ask if he was open to coming for a visit to sit with my Dad and talk with him about his history but my brother was not in agreement. There is a concern on his part that Dad would be interrogated and he doesn't want Dad to feel that way. Neither do I. We have learnt in past situations with Dad that the best way is to be relaxed and cheeful and positive and thats when he opens up.

As it turns out Barry Lewis is just about to go overseas anyway on a large project.

However, time is marching on and the day will come when he is no longer with us and it would be a good thing if, in a comfortable and happy situation where he felt ok to discuss at some length with someone trustworthy, and not be hassled. I'm working on it but if you have any ideas please do share with me. One thing I though of is if someone wrote him a letter asking for his input on that period in history and his thoughts if he might participate. :-\

Larger photo of my Grandfather:

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/13863037725_0f8b6423d5_b.jpg)





Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 19, 2014, 04:48:23 AM
Photos of maps with Dads journey during wartime years:(apologies they are so big but its hard to see the writing when its smaller).

Strelna - 1941-42, then to Narva 1942-43
Narva to Libau 1944-45 (crossing water)
Libau across the Baltic to Swene ?- ? (unreadable word looks like "monde")...Germany then Austria to Berlin/Dresden.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/13910416506_2db7081cfa_b.jpg)


(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3774/13933545635_174111983a_b.jpg)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mike on April 19, 2014, 05:45:57 AM
Larger photo of my Grandfather:
Still not large enough to see the shoulder boards. Should be at least x3. Try scanning only the informative part of the image at a higher resolution.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 19, 2014, 05:53:26 AM
Libau across the Baltic to Swene ?- ? (unreadable word looks like "monde")...Germany then Austria to Berlin/Dresden.

No doubt Swinemünde / Świnoujście, the port of Stettin / Szczecin.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 27, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
Created a bigger version - doesn't seem to be working...here is the direct link to the Flkr account....if this is still not big enough I will go to photolab place here at Coffs and get them to do it. Let me know. Thank you.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/122703004@N04/13863037725/sizes/l
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on April 27, 2014, 05:59:29 PM
PS> I don't suppose that golden falcon on the crest is anything to do with Malta?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on April 27, 2014, 06:14:38 PM
PS> I don't suppose that golden falcon on the crest is anything to do with Malta?

No. As I said it a downwards eagle is in Russian heraldry linked with Rurik and the Rurikides / Rurikovichi.
See http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA#.D0.9E.D0.B1.D0.BE.D0.B4.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.82.D1.8B.2C_.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BA.D0.B6.D0.B5_.D0.B8.D0.BC.D0.B5.D0.BD.D1.83.D0.B5.D0.BC.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D1.80.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.B3.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.B8 (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA#.D0.9E.D0.B1.D0.BE.D0.B4.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.82.D1.8B.2C_.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BA.D0.B6.D0.B5_.D0.B8.D0.BC.D0.B5.D0.BD.D1.83.D0.B5.D0.BC.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D1.80.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.B3.D0.B0.D0.BC.D0.B8)
and http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B9 (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B9)


Two crossed golden axes rather makes you think of Norway (St. Olav's golden axe in the national arms and numerous provincial arms).

With your great interest in genetics I suppose you know about the fascinating Rurikid Dynasty DNA poject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurikid_dynasty#Genetic_studies_of_Rurikids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurikid_dynasty#Genetic_studies_of_Rurikids)

Oh and BTW a coat of arms is not a crest. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms) for an illustrated explanation.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mike on April 28, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
Created a bigger version
Now it's much better. The photo shows, most probably, a cadet of the Vladimirskoye Officer School in St.Petersburg [юнкер Владимирского военного училища]. The period seems to be 1915-1917.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Mike on April 30, 2014, 10:43:54 AM
To Susannah:
It's turned out that the above photo of Nikolay Usov and several other images of the Usov family were published in the Russian book Костюм и мода Российской империи. Эпоха Николая II [Costume and Fashion of the Russian Empire. The Nicholas II Period] (2013), by Dr. Olga Khoroshilov of St. Petersburg. You may contact her, if you wish, for more details: iskusstvomag@gmail.com, kitiart@mail.ru
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: TimM on April 30, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
Susannah = missmoldavite365 ?
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on May 01, 2014, 02:38:53 PM
Susannah = missmoldavite365 ?

That is барышня Усова to you! :-)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on May 05, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
 :) ;) Yes, I am this whole thread, and yes I am Susannah Usov.  :) ;)
THANKYOU all so very very much! I will contact Dr Olga Khoroshilov, and I will also send more information to my Father directly.

Bless you all for your help!

Life will never be the same....
 :-*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyiG7swshA
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on May 06, 2014, 06:12:25 PM
Aha! Eureka! I think I may have stumbled across something interesting.......

 LEE, Robert (1793-1877)- The Last Days of Alexander, and the First Days of Nicholas, Emperors of Russia (London, 1854)

Here is the online link: https://archive.org/details/lastdaysalexand01leegoog

pages 26 discusses house at "Yoursoff"......,page 31, discusses what his plans are when he "decomissions himself"....

somewhere in the book is a section on Tsar Alexander 1st admonishing someone about a pregnant woman being mistreated.....hmmm

Hmm....is the name "Yoursoff" linked to the name "Usov"???.....is there a connection there ???.....its pretty out there I agree...but....I wonder if somehow this is the connection of the rare dna we carry....the time period is correct from what I have been informed about how far back we share a common ancestor....and yes I am aware of the research being carried out on the various family lines....interesting times we live in......!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on May 06, 2014, 07:25:09 PM
Hmm....is the name "Yoursoff" linked to the name "Usov"???.....is there a connection there ???.....its pretty out there I agree...but....I wonder if somehow this is the connection of the rare dna we carry....the time period is correct from what I have been informed about how far back we share a common ancestor....and yes I am aware of the research being carried out on the various family lines....interesting times we live in......!

Юрсов (French spelling: Yoursouff) seems to be the name of a Tartar village in the Crimea and has nothing whatsoever to do with Усов.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on May 06, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
"Yoursouff" is probably a French rendering of the original Tartar pronunciation of modern Гурзуф / Gurzuf / Hurzuf northeast of Yalta. It was an estate of the Counts Vorontsov, as described in the book. The French spelling perhaps due to the estate's earlier owner being Duke Armand Emmanuel de Richelieu, Governor-General of New Russia.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: TimM on May 07, 2014, 04:19:07 PM
Quote
I am Susannah Usov

Hi, Susannah, nice to meet you.
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on May 10, 2014, 07:09:11 PM
Hello there, likewise!

Thankyou everyone for your help! Where would we all be without the help and assistance within this website, truly a portal of discovery and re-awakening so many people's heritage and connections wiith Russia! Thank you also to the Creators of this website- you are indeed, Legendary.

Really loving the Year of the Horse! ;)

Onwards and Upwards

Susannah
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on December 27, 2015, 01:04:40 AM
Hi there everyone!

A very Merry Christmas for those who celebrate now and a very Merry Chistmas to come for January 7th for Russian Orthodox celebrations!

Have penned and and had published a wee book for those who are interested. Its called 'Feodor - Guardian Angel" by Susannah LoveStar. The painting on the front cover is an orginal painted be my me. Its called "Archangel Gabriel".

http://bookstore.balboapress.com/Products/SKU-000942280/Feodor.aspx

For those who are on Facebook irs also there being posted 1 page per day for free under my pseudonym Susannah LoveStar.

I sense its going to be a really good year for Russia and her peoples.

С Рождеством Вас поздравляю. Счастья, радости желаю!


Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: UncleSasha on June 24, 2017, 12:11:45 PM
...Also: Photo of my Grandfather Nicholas (My Fathers's father)
...most probably, a cadet of the Vladimirskoye Officer School in St.Petersburg [юнкер Владимирского военного училища]...
Yes, the monogram on shoulder straps is similar to the Vladimir school. (pic. №5).
(https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/thumbs/2017/06/179d6c74f5c5a244e3209672ef39ccb7.png) (https://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=179d6c74f5c5a244e3209672ef39ccb7)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on November 20, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
Thank you Uncle Sasha for the photo and update.

I am saddened to report that my father Oleg Nicolaevich Usov passed away earlier this year on 4/1/2018 after a illness lasting a year and a half.
The doctors thought at time of diagnosis(stomach cancer) he would only last 3 months.
Dad was a fighter and he struggled on being determined to live to August 2018. Unfortunately he didn't make it.

I found out only at his funeral that he had been a marine engineer in Russia and was part of a special team that designed the first torpedo submarine.

More to follow later this week.

At this time one of his sons is gravely ill. And a few of us are also having some medical issues related to our genetics.

We are praying to Archangel Michael, whom Dad always mentioned was out families Patron Archangel.

Peace be with you all.

Every day we are alive is indeed a gift.

Kindest Regards,

Susannah Jane Usov
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: edubs31 on November 21, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
Sorry for your loss. He sounds like an impressive gentleman
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Превед on November 22, 2018, 04:28:37 PM
I am saddened to report that my father Oleg Nicolaevich Usov passed away earlier this year on 4/1/2018 after a illness lasting a year and a half.
The doctors thought at time of diagnosis(stomach cancer) he would only last 3 months.
Dad was a fighter and he struggled on being determined to live to August 2018. Unfortunately he didn't make it.

I found out only at his funeral that he had been a marine engineer in Russia and was part of a special team that designed the first torpedo submarine.

My condolences.
Your father sounded like an enigma! How old was he? If he was a cadet in Imperial Russia, as per earlier posts in this thread, he must have been about 120 years old!
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on November 27, 2018, 02:25:14 AM
Hi there,

I am going to need to double check everything. Facts not Fiction. And for that I am certainly going to need a whole lot of help.

For example if its true he was a marine engineer in Russia that did what he says then that will need to be validated somehow.
Can anyone help with this?

Regarding the school he says he went to - was he somehow getting mixed up with his Father Nicolai? My research has shown that that school was not operating after the Revolution, so either he didn't go there or the date of birth he gave the Australian Immigration was incorrect. He was a displaced refugee and had no papers.

Yes he did say he went to that particular school in Russia, however, according to Australian Immigration records and our Birth Certificates the official date of birth he gave was 10th September 1921.
Australia Immigration records show that he, his wife Anna and son Igor boarded a ship called The Protea in Naples Italy on 2nd May 1949, and arrived in Sydney on 6th June 1949.

https://immigrantships.net/v6/1900v6/protea19490606.html

Kind Regards,

Susannah

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on November 27, 2018, 02:30:23 AM
Thank you all for your condolences, we all appreciate it very much.

The day before my father passed a golden kestrel came into my backyard, not a bird that is found here. Stayed for quite a hew hours.

Also not sure if this is connected but its worth a mention in relation to DNA:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27150194?fbclid=IwAR1of1q1y80FOYWMps-LwrixZcqV4y6j2FSyGrTmxVXwkYiQFoZsxbpUXXY



Kind Regards.

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: PAGE on November 27, 2018, 06:14:04 AM
The Protea is apparently a well-known ship. I found pictures and information about it.

(https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/content/media/0/427800-small.jpg)

(https://apps.cndls.georgetown.edu/projects/borders/archive/fullsize/226b1e55955fb3d989294e1e989a9d29.jpg)

https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/247688 (https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/247688)

https://apps.cndls.georgetown.edu/projects/borders/items/show/499 (https://apps.cndls.georgetown.edu/projects/borders/items/show/499)
Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: missmoldavite365 on December 03, 2018, 01:57:03 AM
Thank you Page :)

So lovely!

I have written to The Department of Immigration requesting more information.

So we will work backwards from Australia and go from there.

PS All the team that worked on the design of the torpedo submarine were marked with a special tattoo apparently, Dad had a tattoo on his forearm of a ships anchor.

Title: Re: A little help please!
Post by: Marina Spb on June 02, 2019, 04:49:03 AM
Hi,
Susannah,the information of your father's family is here: https://www.geni.com/people/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2/5498065493840116276
 
Best regards