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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Alexandra Feodorovna => Topic started by: Alixz on January 31, 2011, 08:18:36 AM

Title: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on January 31, 2011, 08:18:36 AM
This following is the message that grifh sent to me and asked me to post for him.

I find it hard to do as griffh asks of me but if it is important to his continued work on this subject and important to his publisher that this material be removed, then it will be done.

As you all know, this thread has been an amazing work that has been continuing for more than 5 years.

So that everyone will have the opportunity to read griffh's message and to understand why this is being done, I will plan to delete the threads on Wednesday, February 2, 2011.

Thank you for your understanding.


I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone that has contributed to my thread on the Empress.  It has been so enjoyable and such a wonderful learning experience for me.  I am currently about to publish my first work on the Empress and need to remove my research.  I also had not appreciated the fact that I had liberally quoted several Russian historians extensively and thereby infringed on their copyright.  For these reasons I have asked Alixz to please remove the thread.  I will continue to contribute to AP forum and of course anyone who wishes to can PM me as well.  Again I want to thank Alixz for all her help and support and thank Bob and Rob for the opportunity they have provided the means of sharing our various perspectives on every aspect of Russian history as well as the history of many of Europe's Royal houses as well.  Again thanks to everyone for their contributions over the years.  

Best Griffith Henninger


griffh just asked me to remove his email address as his email account "crashed" he will return with his address when he gets it fixed.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Forum Admin on January 31, 2011, 09:58:16 AM
Bob and I wish Griff much success with his book. Please keep us informed as your volume will be an important book for our library.

Rob
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on January 31, 2011, 11:42:20 AM
Thank you so very much Rob and I can't wait to add my book to your library and will certainly let you know when it is published.  

And thank you again for all your help, Best to you and Bob.  

Griff  
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on January 31, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
FA - Thank you for you input.  I was worried about doing this without some confirmation from you.

I am sure that Griff's book will be well worth waiting for.

I set the deletion for Wednesday so that anyone who wanted to comment could do so before all that wonderful information is gone.  I did, however lock the actual thread so that all posting will be done on this new explanation thread.

This somehow seems like the end of an era.  But perhaps it is the beginning of a new one for Griff.

Alixz
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 31, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
This is a real pity [to remove the thread] but I understand the reason. I came late to Alexandra Fights Back, being no fan of hers.   But I have enjoyed reading it  lately. Now, for a complete read before it goes !
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Clemence on January 31, 2011, 02:46:58 PM
I'm sure there are all kind of good reasons but I was so deeply in love with the thread! whenever I was depressed I knew I'd find something precious and of rare beauty to make my day! couldn't we find some way to save even some part of it? I feel like loosing an old friend here (((
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Helen on January 31, 2011, 03:30:01 PM
Griff, I will miss your thread, :( but I understand your reasons and wish you all the luck with your research and writing! I cannot wait for your book.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: koloagirl on January 31, 2011, 08:44:52 PM
Aloha Griff!

I too will miss your threads on Empress Alexandra!  I've learned so very much from them and I do look forward to ultimately reading your book!

Thank you for sharing your research with all of us - I wish you the very best of luck and as I said - look forward to purchasing your book!!

Malama Pono, (take care)
Janet
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: historyfan on January 31, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Yes, the prospect of the book makes losing the thread just a bit more palatable.  : )
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on February 01, 2011, 08:04:44 AM
Can't wait for the book - new Romanov material is always good!
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 01, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
All of  the above comments are why I wanted to post this thread and to give everyone time to take one last look before I complied with Griff's wishes and removed the threads.

I would imagine that two days are not enough to reread all six threads but at least there is time for one last look.

Griff has given us a unique perspective on Empress Alexandra and I think his book is going to be wonderful!

I, like Robert, have never been a big fan of Alexandra's but Griff has made me lean a little more in her direction as the years have passed and the thread has grown.

I have always been glad that I was moderator on the sub forum that contains this remarkable research and I have been honored to have helped Griff with editing, spell check, and the removal of things that he felt needed removing in the past.

Tomorrow, when I finally remove all 125 pages of information, it is going to leave a hole, not only in the sub forum and the AP Forum, but also in the lives of those here who so enjoyed reading and contributing.

Griff, thank you so much.

Alixz
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 01, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
I'm sure there are all kind of good reasons but I was so deeply in love with the thread! whenever I was depressed I knew I'd find something precious and of rare beauty to make my day! couldn't we find some way to save even some part of it? I feel like loosing an old friend here (((

When Griff asked me to delete the thread, I felt exactly as you do.  I kept wondering if there wasn't some way to keep any part of it.  However, because anything that is posted to this Forum is copyrighted to the Forum, Griff would be violating copyright laws in publishing his own research if it remained on the forum.

Bob and Rob have graciously consented to allow the removal of the information so that Griff will not be in violation of any intellectual property laws.

Also, as Griff pointed out, he himself has quoted from other authors and may be in violation of the copyright laws that protect these other authors.

I know that all of us have reproduced information from other sources when posting here.  It is one of the things that we always stress - sources, sources, sources!  But the copyright laws only allow for a certain amount of quoting before any of us would be in violation.

So, with sadness, we know that there is truly no way to keep any of what has been so lovingly researched, fought over and posted here.

I hope this explanation helps.

Alixz
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 01, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
I am so sorry to see these threads go. They were such a fantastic piece of research. I do understand the reasoning, and truly look forward to your future publication Griffh!
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Teddy on February 01, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
What a pity, but I truly can understand your reasons. I truly will miss the threads.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 02, 2011, 08:11:05 AM
Well, it is done.

As I was instructed to do, I have removed all six threads called "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back".

The future is up to grffh.

Go griffh!
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 02, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Gosh I was so moved by everyone's kind and loving thoughts.   

You are so right Alixz, now it's up to me to get this book finished...

Thank you again for all you did for my thread and again thanks to Bob and Rob for making this all possible.   

Best to everyone Griff
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: grandduchessella on February 02, 2011, 04:40:04 PM
Good luck--you certainly deserve it! The amount of time and effort that you put into those threads--1000s of messages--represents such an investment. I wish nothing but the best for you with this book. Just don't forget us here when you're a powerful and successful author.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: historyfan on February 02, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
Good luck--you certainly deserve it! The amount of time and effort that you put into those threads--1000s of messages--represents such an investment. I wish nothing but the best for you with this book. Just don't forget us here when you're a powerful and successful author.  :) ;)

I echo that.  : )
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 02, 2011, 11:55:36 PM

Oh Grandduchessella I have always loved our exchanges as they go back before this thread and, by-the-by, I think you might have finally solved "Old Jack's" identity! 

And thank you Robert Hall, knowing your feelings about the young Empress, your remarks met a lot to me. 

Also thank you Laura Mabee for your kind hopes for my book. 

And Janet from Hawaii thank you for softening my concept of Anya Taneeva (Vyrubova). 

And of course thank you to Teddy, Historyfan, and Joanna for hanging in there with me all these years. 

And thanks to Janet Ashton for her interest and promotion of my thread.   

And special thanks to our newest author, Helen/Petra, who has always managed to temper my zeal and polish my rough edges and who will hopefully continue to do so.

And my deepest gratitude and thanks to Margarita Nelipa who originally chose me to be her assistant council for a proposed AP trial for Rasputin, which, alas, turned into the most definitive book on Rasputin ever written.   Thank you Margarita for your continued strong support and for being such a trusted advisor and such a wonderful friend. 

And thanks to AP forum for being the vehicle through which I met two invaluable new friends Rudi3 [there are no words to describe him]and Petr [who are a gift from heaven].   

There are so many others I would love to thank but I am starting to sound like George M. Cohen, "And I want to thank my Mother, and I want to thank my Father....."   So just let me say again, thank everybody for your kind thoughts. 
Best, Griff
   
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: historyfan on February 03, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
"I'd like to thank the Academy...."  lol
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Petr on February 03, 2011, 12:56:52 PM
Griff;

God speed on all your endeavors. We all await your magnus opus with great anticipation.  Thank you.

Petr
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 04, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
Thank you Petr, and just a quick note to anyone who may have emailed me recently: unfortunately I had not updated my email address in my profile until yesterday so please try again if you used the old email address.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: RealAnastasia on February 04, 2011, 09:58:58 PM
Hello Griff:

                      I only add a comment now and then in this thread, but mt interst in Empress Alexandra is great and I would come here to lurk as much as it was possible for me. I will miss "Empress Alexandra Fights back" thread, but I'm sure you must follow what your editors recommends for the sake of the publication of your book.

                      Good luck! I wish I would read your work as soon as I can !

                       RealAnstasia (Vanesa)
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: matushka on February 05, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
Just discovered what happened to my favorite thread at the AP forum! I am deeply moved, so many informations... all has gone. It looked like a family who lost his patriarch, the memory of the clan! Good luck with the book. Be sure I will read it with the greatest interest! Thank you for all your work!
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 05, 2011, 01:55:50 PM
Hello Griff:

                      I only add a comment now and then in this thread, but mt interst in Empress Alexandra is great and I would come here to lurk as much as it was possible for me. I will miss "Empress Alexandra Fights back" thread, but I'm sure you must follow what your editors recommends for the sake of the publication of your book.

                      Good luck! I wish I would read your work as soon as I can !

                       RealAnstasia (Vanesa)

Vanesa I am probably going to end up making this a thread of thank yous, but I just have to say that you were, I believe the very first individual to post on my thread.  I was so nervous and scared and that first posting really brought me peace of mind.  Thanks so much...Grif


Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 05, 2011, 02:11:41 PM
Just discovered what happened to my favorite thread at the AP forum! I am deeply moved, so many informations... all has gone. It looked like a family who lost his patriarch, the memory of the clan! Good luck with the book. Be sure I will read it with the greatest interest! Thank you for all your work!

Your sentiments are so touching Matushka and I am indebted to your for your knowledge of Ella's letters and your detailed research on so many prelates of the Orthodox Church and some of the controversies. 

I had not fully appreciated at the time you posted your perspective on Masha, how it reflected the Empress' view of her innocence but also her very unwise trip to Petrograd in late 1915 that created such a terrible backlash on Alexandra.  I was so irritated with Masha's recklessness, that I lost a sense of all sense of humanity for her, nor did it fully occur to me at the time how difficult, almost impossible, it must have been for members of an international aristocracy, such as Masha, to suddenly adopt a severe nationalistic rationale from which to judge their actions.  Well anyway thank you again for all you contributed to the thread...Best Griff       
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 05, 2011, 06:10:15 PM
I think it was very difficult for all of the International Aristocracy to appreciate the divisions that World War I made in their private lives and the lives of their relatives who were now on opposing sides.

Before the war, they traveled to visit as they saw fit and did not see a German or a Russian or a Brit.  They saw family.  That is why the Russians who thought that Alexandra was working for Germany could even think such a thing because they realized that family might mean more than adopted country.

The same was true for Sophie and Constantine in Greece.  Old allegiances to family would seem to over shadow new allegiances to an adopted country.

I often wonder how I would have felt or would feel even now if I had to choose between a adopted country and the family I might have left behind.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: kamlowsky on February 05, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Oh my dear Griffh, I am so sorry all this marvelous creation that you've put your heart and soul into is gone. My heart hurts.

On the otherhand what a wonderful journey you are on now. I've always said you needed to write a book and am so thrilled that the process is happening. I also enjoyed when you wrote about all the womens' clothes from different eras.    Most of all I do hope that some day you will write a biography. Goodness, I am planning out your life here. LOL

You do what you need  to do to complete your project and we'll be waiting here for you when the opportunity arises to share and read your book.

I'll never forget your dreams about Alexandra. She must be very close to you.

Love,
barb
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 07, 2011, 09:52:11 AM

Oh my dear Griffh, I am so sorry all this marvelous creation that you've put your heart and soul into is gone. My heart hurts.

On the otherhand what a wonderful journey you are on now. I've always said you needed to write a book and am so thrilled that the process is happening. I also enjoyed when you wrote about all the womens' clothes from different eras.    Most of all I do hope that some day you will write a biography. Goodness, I am planning out your life here. LOL

You do what you need  to do to complete your project and we'll be waiting here for you when the opportunity arises to share and read your book.

I'll never forget your dreams about Alexandra. She must be very close to you.

Love,
barb

You know, Barb, it is so interesting that you should mention the dreams. 

I am not sure if you meant the reoccurring dream I used to have of the Empress when I was young.  It would always start on a lovely Spring or early Summer morning at about 11am which is my favorite time of day.  I would be walking in a lovely tree filled garden of some estate not unlike the ones in our neighborhood when I was young. 

All of the sudden I would come to a clearing with a beautifully manicured lawn that surrounded the back of a handsome mansion and I could see a large veranda with a balustrade.  As I would walk towards the staircase up to the veranda I would see this lovely woman.  She was very gentle and ladylike.  I remember how much I wanted to speak with her as I knew when I got closer that she was the Empress.  She was in her mid-to-late twenties and at the height of her beauty.  I remember that she had the cleanest, nicest fragrance, not at all like my mother or grandmother's perfumes which were very nice but more flowery.  She never seemed to mind that I had been walking in her garden and after a brief introduction she always made me feel so at ease and then would start to tell me things about her life.  I  remember trying to find a pencil and piece of paper and I think the dream would always end at that point.  I am sure that all my impressions in my dream came from all the things I had read about the Empress. 

The other dream I had that started when I was in my late teens, was seeing the Empress and her daughters, in the softest neo-classic  chiffon gowns, slowly gliding over the top of a horrid little scrubby forest that was almost colorless.  I remember trying so hard to count the Empress' daughters to see if they were all with her.  I never could seem to do so, but I remembered feeling this sense of peace and harmony even though the setting was so forlorn and ugly. 

I was reminded of this dream just days ago from a photograph in the new King/Wilson book on Anna Anderson, neé Franziska Schamzkowska.  On the bottom of page 68 there is a photograph of the now famous Koptyaki Forest outside Ekaterinburg which really startled me when I saw it.  All one would have to do is walk through the clearing in the photograph and walk to the right and then look back at that bank of trees in the distance to see exactly that part of the forest that I saw in my dream. 

 I am not a mystic or a spiritualist or anything like that, and sharing these dreams must not be the smartest thing for me to do, especially at this juncture in my life while writing about the Empress; and I am sure that it weakens my credibility in some people's minds, but none the less they were my dreams and I cannot pretend that they were not.       

Well just to say, Barb, I like your plans for my life and it might be fun at some point in the future to think about writing an autobiography, but as Alixz says, I have got to get this book finished first.   Best Griff

Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Clemence on February 07, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
dearest Griffh,

I don't know about credibility, all I know is that the reason most of us are here for some hours every day is that we share love and interest for some people lost for ever, and I believe each one of us had his/her share of some kind of experience that made him/her get involved in this ... personally I felt the Empress near me at the most crucial moment of my life and  she helped me through ... after that I never felt so close to her again, but I always keep that experience in my mind and my heart.

thank you again for all the fine things you had the kindness to share with as in your thread. I wish you the best with your book and in your life!
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 08, 2011, 12:13:30 AM
dearest Griffh,

I don't know about credibility, all I know is that the reason most of us are here for some hours every day is that we share love and interest for some people lost for ever, and I believe each one of us had his/her share of some kind of experience that made him/her get involved in this ... personally I felt the Empress near me at the most crucial moment of my life and  she helped me through ... after that I never felt so close to her again, but I always keep that experience in my mind and my heart.

thank you again for all the fine things you had the kindness to share with as in your thread. I wish you the best with your book and in your life!

Clemence it is after 12am and I should be in bed but I just had to say thank you and I do hear what you are saying.  I agree that we have an affinity with the goodness in others just as others have an affinity with our goodness and these links exist in the past as well as the present and often they do help us when we are going through hard experiences.  Well just again, thank you for your kind thoughts and wishes with my book.  Best Griff
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Talya on February 08, 2011, 04:48:14 PM
Hold up, why was it deleted again?
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: RealAnastasia on February 08, 2011, 10:34:50 PM
Hello Griff:

                      I only add a comment now and then in this thread, but mt interst in Empress Alexandra is great and I would come here to lurk as much as it was possible for me. I will miss "Empress Alexandra Fights back" thread, but I'm sure you must follow what your editors recommends for the sake of the publication of your book.

                      Good luck! I wish I would read your work as soon as I can !

                       RealAnstasia (Vanesa)

Vanesa I am probably going to end up making this a thread of thank yous, but I just have to say that you were, I believe the very first individual to post on my thread.  I was so nervous and scared and that first posting really brought me peace of mind.  Thanks so much...Grif




I didn't know that! I'm happy that my little message brought you peace of mind...Smetimes one does things that could not just imagine!

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 09, 2011, 09:11:07 AM




Nad/Natasha, I have brought the explanation forward, but all you have to do is go back and read the first few pages to know why.


I'm sure there are all kind of good reasons but I was so deeply in love with the thread! whenever I was depressed I knew I'd find something precious and of rare beauty to make my day! couldn't we find some way to save even some part of it? I feel like loosing an old friend here (((

When Griff asked me to delete the thread, I felt exactly as you do.  I kept wondering if there wasn't some way to keep any part of it.  However, because anything that is posted to this Forum is copyrighted to the Forum, Griff would be violating copyright laws in publishing his own research if it remained on the forum.

Bob and Rob have graciously consented to allow the removal of the information so that Griff will not be in violation of any intellectual property laws.

Also, as Griff pointed out, he himself has quoted from other authors and may be in violation of the copyright laws that protect these other authors.

I know that all of us have reproduced information from other sources when posting here.  It is one of the things that we always stress - sources, sources, sources!  But the copyright laws only allow for a certain amount of quoting before any of us would be in violation.

So, with sadness, we know that there is truly no way to keep any of what has been so lovingly researched, fought over and posted here.

I hope this explanation helps.

Alixz
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Alixz on February 09, 2011, 09:12:50 AM
This following is the message that grifh sent to me and asked me to post for him.

I find it hard to do as griffh asks of me but if it is important to his continued work on this subject and important to his publisher that this material be removed, then it will be done.

As you all know, this thread has been an amazing work that has been continuing for more than 5 years.

So that everyone will have the opportunity to read griffh's message and to understand why this is being done, I will plan to delete the threads on Wednesday, February 2, 2011.

Thank you for your understanding.


I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone that has contributed to my thread on the Empress.  It has been so enjoyable and such a wonderful learning experience for me.  I am currently about to publish my first work on the Empress and need to remove my research.  I also had not appreciated the fact that I had liberally quoted several Russian historians extensively and thereby infringed on their copyright.  For these reasons I have asked Alixz to please remove the thread.  I will continue to contribute to AP forum and of course anyone who wishes to can PM me as well.  Again I want to thank Alixz for all her help and support and thank Bob and Rob for the opportunity they have provided the means of sharing our various perspectives on every aspect of Russian history as well as the history of many of Europe's Royal houses as well.  Again thanks to everyone for their contributions over the years.  

Best Griffith Henninger


griffithhenningerii@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: nena on February 09, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
Well, since I am here, I know for that thread, which was really amazing and frequently supplemented by Griffh, I truly was amazed by the amount of new information and all the knowledge that surely deserves any respect! Well done, Griffh and I hope, better to say know that your book will succeed. I thought -- You really must love so much that subject to spent time , will and energy on doing such marvelous job.

Warm regards and all the best,
N.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: blessOTMA on February 09, 2011, 10:16:48 PM
I'm not Alix's biggest fan...but one has to say she has a great ability to draw to her the unfailing devotion of some very fine people...I say she "  has " this ability  because by any measure,  one must add griffh's name to this roll call.  AF hasn't lost a step in this regard . =) Good luck in all your projects !   
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on February 10, 2011, 06:47:42 AM
I'm quite amazed.... In my absence from Christmas, up to some weeks ago, I had no chance to be here obviously and when I got back... I simply wondered where the thread went. It became such a part of my life, throughout the years I've spend on here, and though I did not frequently post lately, I will so miss that thread. One finds it strange that such things can come so close to your soul, but such things happen too with all those figures from the past - we get close to them, get the feeling we know them, by reading so much about them -, they get simply close to us. So, it is, too with reading on here.... In reading and doing research I feel as if the AP-forum in general has become a sort of substitute family, and with losing this thread, the family has lost one of its branches. Sure will miss hanging out there.

Oh, and "Griffh", do get that book published.... I'm always looking foreward for some good Romanov-material... Especially on the Empress, as there are so few biographies that really focus on her(I believe there are about 4 or 5?), so I am sure that your book might be well worth the wait, and that it might give is a better/different understanding of the Empress and her life.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 11, 2011, 11:03:53 AM
Well, since I am here, I know for that thread, which was really amazing and frequently supplemented by Griffh, I truly was amazed by the amount of new information and all the knowledge that surely deserves any respect! Well done, Griffh and I hope, better to say know that your book will succeed. I thought -- You really must love so much that subject to spent time , will and energy on doing such marvelous job.

Warm regards and all the best,
N.

Thank you so much Nena for your kind remarks and wishes for my book.  It has been very helpful to be able to completely give all my time to writing, though I do miss all the wonderful interaction of my thread.  Again thanks so much for your gracious thoughts....Griff 


Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 11, 2011, 11:07:17 AM
I'm not Alix's biggest fan...but one has to say she has a great ability to draw to her the unfailing devotion of some very fine people...I say she "  has " this ability  because by any measure,  one must add griffh's name to this roll call.  AF hasn't lost a step in this regard . =) Good luck in all your projects !   

Again, like Robert Hall's remarks, thank you blessOTMA for your remarks as it gives me hope that my book will be able to soften in some way the harsh perspective on the young Empress that has dominated most works on Alexandra.  Agian thank you for your participation in the thread and for your encouragement....Griff
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on February 11, 2011, 11:11:58 AM
I'm quite amazed.... In my absence from Christmas, up to some weeks ago, I had no chance to be here obviously and when I got back... I simply wondered where the thread went. It became such a part of my life, throughout the years I've spend on here, and though I did not frequently post lately, I will so miss that thread. One finds it strange that such things can come so close to your soul, but such things happen too with all those figures from the past - we get close to them, get the feeling we know them, by reading so much about them -, they get simply close to us. So, it is, too with reading on here.... In reading and doing research I feel as if the AP-forum in general has become a sort of substitute family, and with losing this thread, the family has lost one of its branches. Sure will miss hanging out there.

Oh, and "Griffh", do get that book published.... I'm always looking foreward for some good Romanov-material... Especially on the Empress, as there are so few biographies that really focus on her(I believe there are about 4 or 5?), so I am sure that your book might be well worth the wait, and that it might give is a better/different understanding of the Empress and her life.

Oh Gosh, Imperial_Grounds, I am sorry that I had to remove my research and close the thread, as it has become a part of my life as well and I suppose that is why I am wanting to respond to each one of these posts as it is only fitting to say thank you for all the support and kind sentiments expressed by everyone.  Also it feels like such a blessing for the work on my book which is coming along faster than before.  Well thank you again Imperial_Grounds and hopefully I will have my book completed very soon.  Best Griff 
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Post by: Holly on March 20, 2011, 02:08:53 PM
It was quite a shock to see all of those threads missing! I never posted but I read each of them and was amazed at your insight and dedication to the subject. I'm sad to see I won't be reading them here anymore but I am very excited for your book, Griffh.

I came to this forum when I was twelve and now I'm nearly twenty and I can safely say that your work here on the forum contributed to my knowledge and understanding of Alexandra IMMENSELY. Thank you for your time here and I can't wait to have your work in published form.
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2011, 03:17:46 PM

Holly, 12 years old must be a magical age as that is when I found my grandfather's copy of Princess Julia Cantacuzène biography, Revolutionary Days,.  I had been put in remedial reading classes in school and was on my way to being taken out of the school’s regular curriculum and placed in “special classes” when I discovered the Princess’ book in my father’s library while I was recuperating from a long bout of sun stroke. 

I wanted to read that book more than anything on earth as I was motivated by a desire to learn more about a relation by marriage on my mother’s side of the family who had moved to Paris and married to a Russian Prince.  While I did not learn anything about this distant titled American personage, I did learn to read!!!   

And as a result, within a short time I was removed from the remedial classes and soon became the head of my class in reading.  To encourage my progress by mother made a contest during the summer for my sister and I to see how many books we could read by the end of our summer vacation.  Each Friday night we went to the library where during those summer vacactions I would check out every biography I could find on the late imperial period, as our library had an enormous selection.  I gained a deep interest in the Empress, even though she was portrayed in most of the books I read in varying degrees of disapprobation.   

Just to say, I am so touched that your started reading this wonderful AP forum when you were twelve years old!!!!   And I am equally touched that my thread on the Empress may have been able to offer a more balanced view of Alexandra Fyodorovna.  Well from one ex-12 year old to another, thanks so much for sharing your kind thoughts and happy reading.....best, Griff 
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Post by: historyfan on March 21, 2011, 08:37:02 PM
I feel incredibly old - there was no internet when I was 12!  : P

Griff - goes to show what those teachers knew, eh?  (Just kidding, teachers!  : )  )
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Post by: blessOTMA on March 22, 2011, 12:41:00 AM

Holly, 12 years old must be a magical age as that is when I found my grandfather's copy of Princess Julia Cantacuzène biography, Revolutionary Days,.  I had been put in remedial reading classes in school and was on my way to being taken out of the school’s regular curriculum and placed in “special classes” when I discovered the Princess’ book in my father’s library while I was recuperating from a long bout of sun stroke. 
This amazes me because I have  this book by Princess Cantacuzène ( Princess Julia Cantacuzène aka U.S. Grant's grand daughter ) and
her other one My Life Here and There, both wonderful. She makes it all seem remarkably current.
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Post by: Alixz on March 22, 2011, 08:53:02 AM

Griff - goes to show what those teachers knew, eh?  (Just kidding, teachers!  : )  )

I wonder when I hear things like this because when I was 11, my parents were told that I was a poor student in spelling and math.  Well I am still a poor student in spelling (thank someone for spell check) and I spent 15 years of my life working preparing income tax for others (thank someone else for calculators and then computers).  Had I followed my teachers advice, I would never have ended up where I did.  They just about "wrote me off" at age 11!!

But I had always loved to read and I discovered Olga Alexandrovna (The Last Grand Duchess by Ian Vorres) when I was 14.
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Post by: historyfan on March 22, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
Going off topic, I know and I apologize, but I have to tell the story my parents like to rehash from time to time - about when I was in kindergarten (age 5) and my teacher told my mother that there must be something wrong with me because I preferred playing by myself to playing with other kids. 

Ha - I still prefer being by myself! 

I discovered WWII (outside of my grandfather's stories) when I was 14.  I came late to the Russian party, only reading my first "Romanov" book two or three years ago, and now that I think about it, I wonder if the history teacher I had in grade 11 had something to do with that.  He put the Romanovs in context with WWI and the revolution, and was quite disparaging towards them.  Didn't foster an interest at that point, certainly.
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Post by: Alixz on March 22, 2011, 09:58:56 AM
Along with Griffh, I wonder if being around the ages of 12 to 14 has something to do with interest in history or just history in particular.  Perhaps we are grown enough and aware enough of life around us by that point to be interested in how and why we got here.

I my case, though, it wasn't just finding the book in the library, it was because the trial of Anna Anderson was big news when I was 14 ( I know this gives away my age) and my history teacher told us all about it in class.  It hadn't become history at that point, but was current events!

One thing led to another and I was immersed in the Romanovs.  How I wish I had kept some of the Life magazine articles, but who knew?

Years later, while working as a teller (there is that math skill again) in a bank in my home town, I met a man who had been a Captain in the Tsar's Navy.  He was moving from CT to Arizona to be with his son and offered to sell me his baby grand piano!  I had no room for one, so I didn't buy it and probably couldn't afford it I had the room.  However for years after, I regretted not getting his forwarding address.  The man was a mechanical genius.  He could draw schematics on my desk upside down to himself and upside right to me!

I tried for many years to find him through the Russian Imperial Navy outside of Russia.  They met once a year in New York City, but I never found him again.
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Post by: Alixz on March 22, 2011, 10:09:24 AM
I found the name of the group.

Association of Former Russian Imperial Navy Officers in USA.

Their memorabilia was moved to a repository in Lakewood (not Lakehurst) New Jersey and according to my source most of the material was sent back to Russia after the end of the Soviet Union.

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Post by: Alixz on March 22, 2011, 10:13:46 AM
I also found this interesting link to a story about an Imperial Russian Pilot.  Part of the article is annotated by Igor Sikorsky.


http://www.uscg.mil/history/people/UtgoffVictor1930Obit.pdf
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Post by: griffh on March 24, 2011, 11:56:05 AM
Wow what a great conversation!!! 

It is really wonderful to hear how all our lives and interests have developed in spite of the adversities we faced in school, etc. 

I do feel so badly that I let all my Russian emigre friendships slip away in NYC.  Most of my friends attended the annual Romanov Ball atop the Sherry Netherlands on 5 Ave and 59th street; the ground floor of which houses the famous and fabulous La Vieille Russe

I could never quite get up the courage to go inside the La Vieille Russe but the window displays facing both 5th Ave. and 59th Street were like looking at a Museum filled with treasures from Atlantis.  Well actually I did go inside the shop years later during the time that my mother renewed her family traditon of shopping for Christmas in NYC and ending the our shopping spree with tea in the Palm Court of the Plaza where her parents had danced in the afternoons when the Palm Court first opened.  As my grandparents did the season in NYC every year, tea at the Palm Court became their family tradition.  I guess I got up my courage to go into La Vieille Russe from our Christmas teas at the Plaza which was right across 5 Ave from the Sherry Netherlands.  Anyway, to make a long story short, I entered the door of the shop and because of my inability to curb my enthusiasm over all things Russia, upon seeing a photo of Queen Marie's youngest sister in a Faberge enameled frame, I burst out, "Oh My Lord, It is Baby Bee!!"  I must have sounded like the Duchess of Coburg stunned to see a picture of her daughter in a shop in NYC!!! 

I am not sure what the shop owners thought, but I did not wait to find out as I fled the shop feeling I had made a total fool out of myself.  It is possible that the shop owners didn't think anything about it, except to be relieved that an hysterical stranger had left their elegant establishment. 

I am sure that many of the beautiful objects I saw years ago in those gorgeous La Vieille Russe windows have made their way back home, hopefully, and I love the fact that late Imperial period is being reconnected to Russia's current history and that the period is no longer seen as something lost in the long distant past. 

Just to say that one of the things that I continue to cherish about AP forum is it has brought me into contact with so many fascinating and warm hearted individuals whose interests I share and at a time in my life when I have learned to value and hold dear all these new contacts.  I also wanted to add again my appreciation for the AP forum for being such an incredible resource that I can draw on whilst writing my brains out.  I just want to know all the details and it is amazing to be able to ask a question and get answers immediately.  Well back to the salt mines and my writing and again I so enjoy hearing everyone's memoirs....best Griff       
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Post by: Alixz on March 24, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
Many years ago, I went into Fortunoffs (the source!) with a friend.  I was looking for a gift for another Britophile friend.  I saw a beautiful picture in a (possibly Faberge ) frame and asked to see it.  Of course I couldn't afford it, but I was spell bound.

I told the clerk that it wasn't the "right thing" for my friend ( I couldn't admit that I just couldn't afford it) and as he was putting it away, he said, "I don't know who would want an old picture of Nicholas and Alexandra anyway."

I smiled sweetly and answered, "I don't know because that is a picture of King George V and Queen Mary."

I then beat a hasty retreat smiling from ear to ear!
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Post by: historyfan on March 24, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
Many years ago, I went into Fortunoffs (the source!) with a friend.  I was looking for a gift for another Britophile friend.  I saw a beautiful picture in a (possibly Faberge ) frame and asked to see it.  Of course I couldn't afford it, but I was spell bound.

I told the clerk that it wasn't the "right thing" for my friend ( I couldn't admit that I just couldn't afford it) and as he was putting it away, he said, "I don't know who would want an old picture of Nicholas and Alexandra anyway."

I smiled sweetly and answered, "I don't know because that is a picture of King George V and Queen Mary."

I then beat a hasty retreat smiling from ear to ear!

Now that's entertainment!  : )
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Post by: Holly on March 24, 2011, 11:25:49 PM
I love your story, Alixz. I feel I've done similar on occasion.  ; )

On a related note, when I was thirteen and in a computer class, I was browsing the AP when I should have been doing work. My teacher could view all of our screens from her computer and one day she came up to me during class and looked at the AP on my screen and asked, "Do you do this for another class or is this for your own pleasure?" I was nervous from being caught and said it was for my own enjoyment. She just stared at me for a long time and walked away. I feel she saw just as much of the AP boards as I had.

I definitely think there is something to this age theory. I have no doubt I would not have gone to college or gone to Russia or met some of my favorite people in the world if it wasn't for that book I picked up. I'm well-known for repeating REMEDIAL math classes more than once, but I know that if I hadn't had my passion for Russian history I wouldn't have even attempted attending a university. I only applied for the chance of studying Russian and studying in Russia.
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Post by: Alixz on March 25, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
I find it sad that schools tend to "pigeonhole" students for what they can't do well instead of what they can do well.

When my son was younger, I was told that he also had no aptitude for spelling.  My answer to the teacher was, "Isn't that what dictionaries are for?"  She didn't like that much.  Of course now spell check takes the place of dictionaries in most people's writing and Oh how I wish I had had it when I was in college.

Instead I had a "dog eared" dictionary and Thesaurus by my side constantly.

I have always treasured my trip to Fortunoff's and I often wonder just how that clerk felt?  However it is an easy mistake to make for those who don't know a lot about Nicholas II and George V.  They did so look alike.

I think that griffh recognizing "Baby Bee" was more exciting because she is not as well known and I am not sure that I would have known who she was from the picture.

One other place that we used to go often was the Russian Tea Room.  I was so sad when it closed.  My fervent warning to all who used to go there was to be careful of ordering borscht if it was something that you normally didn't eat.  It was a long ride home from NYC to my home in CT on a train.  Borscht can be like a physic to the uninitiated digestive tract.
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Post by: Alixz on March 25, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
And then there used to be the Faberge Collection at the Forbes Magazine building in NYC.  I took many a friend to see it when I was younger and introduced them to the wonder and beauty of Faberge.  (It has now been returned to Russia).

The only thing that bothered me and I said it often when I was at the exhibition was that the Imperial Easter Eggs were very dirty.  They were dusty and needed a good and thorough cleaning. 

I wonder if the Russians have taken the time to find experts to do the job correctly and carefully. 

Can you imagine hearing a "crash" in the workroom and an "Oops!"  I just dropped the Orange Tree Egg.  Anybody got the tube of "Super Glue?"
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 25, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
This really belongs in the Faberge thread, but I saw that collection at the Hermitage when it first returned to Russia. Yes, it has been meticulously cleaned. There was hope it would join the Armoury collection in the Kremlin, but I do not know if that happened..
 Over many years, I think I have seen all the surviving Imperial eggs, even the ones in private hands have been put up in exhibitions from time-to-time.
 I always try and look for the ones given to Alexandra especially. I think it was a good thing that they were scattered over several palace and NOT taken into exile with the other jewels,  who knows what would have happened to them in that event ?
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 25, 2011, 11:08:17 AM
 Re Post # 56, follow-up to Robert's remarks :  The last thing that I heard, Robert (and it has been some time ago, thus I stand to be corrected), was that after the Hermitage exhibition, the eggs, et al., purchased from the Forbes collection had been stored in London (subject to other previously agreed-upon European exhibitions), awaiting a planned private museum in the Russian Federation. Being an essentially "private ownership" collection, the postulation was to possibly avoid any "nationalization takeover " should the owner/s "cross the line" in some of their business dealings.  
 Since "Alixz" humourously mentioned "The Orange Tree Egg," I heard recently, that THAT specific egg allegedly has had more owners than any of the other eggs, since leaving the Imperial collections!        Regards,  AP.
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Post by: griffh on March 26, 2011, 09:00:30 AM

I just can't quit this thread...

Robert and Aleksandr pavlovich thanks so much for the update on the Faberge Eggs as that is very reassuring.  I can't help remembering reading that little book by H. G. Wells, which was either his Six Weeks in Russia, 1919, or Russia in Shadows in which he describes how Gorki had insisted that the looting stop and demanded that everyone was to bring all their bounty to the Winter Palace. 

Apparently many of the looters obeyed because Wells remembers being taken by Gorki through room after room of treasures which were carefully labeled as to who the owner had been, even the piles of fur coats were all carefully labeled.  Though Stalin sold off so much of Russia’s heritage, it is encouraging to know how carefully it was preserved at first and it is so important that these treasures are returning home.  The nation needs so much to know how magnificent its heritage is. 

Alixz you will be glad to know that the Russian Tea Room is alive and well!!!   

Here is the Russian Tea Room’s link:    http://russiantearoomnyc.com     

My sister and I were just there last May and had a wonderful time with Margarita and her husband who were visiting NYC on their whirlwind tour of Europe and Canada.  The Doorman at the Russian Tea Room is still wearing his smart red livery and it is still an enchanting place to dine and meet friends. 

I think the highlight of our luncheon at the Russian Tea Room was when Margarita ordered a Rasputin and then told the waiter that they needed to change the description of Rasputin.  It was the greatest moment and I must say that the waiter held his own fairly well but Margarita clearly won in the end.  All I remember about the drink is that there were gold flakes floating about.

Hey Alixz I just wanted to add that, like History fan and Holly, I loved your story about Fortunoff...I am always embarrassed after I share stories because they all end up sounding so snobbish but they are just family memories to me.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 26, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
One last bit about the Forbes collection. It was a total surprise to us to see it at the Hermitage.It was not heavily advertised, not even in Russian. It did move on to exhibit in Moscow and then was supposed to tour  the other major Russian cities. Whether or not it did that I do not know.
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Post by: Alixz on March 26, 2011, 09:49:37 AM
griffh - Thanks so much for the information on the Russian Tea Room!  I remember that it did close (I can't remember when) but it is good to know that it is now back and from your link looks a vital as ever.

The last time I was there was in 1981.  A friend took me there for my birthday.  I had been there before, but that was such a special occasion that I have never forgotten it.  This friend surprised me by ordering a bottle of Dom Perignon! I absconded with an ash tray as a souvenir and later when I heard that the Tea Room had closed, I was glad to have that object as a memory.

That day we had visited the Forbes Collection and the Metropolitan Museum of Art (to see real moon rocks).  That might also have been the time we went to the top of the World Trade Centers, but we went so many times (we used to go several times a year) to see Broadway Shows that I have probably confused all the trips in my memories.

I have been to NYC many times since 1981 but that trip was magical.  I can't believe it was 30 years ago.
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Post by: historyfan on March 26, 2011, 08:39:52 PM

I just can't quit this thread...

Robert and Aleksandr pavlovich thanks so much for the update on the Faberge Eggs as that is very reassuring.  I can't help remembering reading that little book by H. G. Wells, which was either his Six Weeks in Russia, 1919, or Russia in Shadows in which he describes how Gorki had insisted that the looting stop and demanded that everyone was to bring all their bounty to the Winter Palace. 

Apparently many of the looters obeyed because Wells remembers being taken by Gorki through room after room of treasures which were carefully labeled as to who the owner had been, even the piles of fur coats were all carefully labeled.  Though Stalin sold off so much of Russia’s heritage, it is encouraging to know how carefully it was preserved at first and it is so important that these treasures are returning home.  The nation needs so much to know how magnificent its heritage is. 

Alixz you will be glad to know that the Russian Tea Room is alive and well!!!   

Here is the Russian Tea Room’s link:    http://russiantearoomnyc.com     

My sister and I were just there last May and had a wonderful time with Margarita and her husband who were visiting NYC on their whirlwind tour of Europe and Canada.  The Doorman at the Russian Tea Room is still wearing his smart red livery and it is still an enchanting place to dine and meet friends. 

I think the highlight of our luncheon at the Russian Tea Room was when Margarita ordered a Rasputin and then told the waiter that they needed to change the description of Rasputin.  It was the greatest moment and I must say that the waiter held his own fairly well but Margarita clearly won in the end.  All I remember about the drink is that there were gold flakes floating about.

Hey Alixz I just wanted to add that, like History fan and Holly, I loved your story about Fortunoff...I am always embarrassed after I share stories because they all end up sounding so snobbish but they are just family memories to me.


On the Russian Tea Room, to quote Liz Lemon in "30 Rock": "I want to go to there!"

I love the story about Margarita's debate with the waiter about "the Rasputin"!

Griff...never...NEVER stop sharing your stories!  : )
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Post by: Alixz on March 26, 2011, 11:47:50 PM
 
 Since "Alixz" humorously mentioned "The Orange Tree Egg," I heard recently, that THAT specific egg allegedly has had more owners than any of the other eggs, since leaving the Imperial collections!        Regards,  AP.

I mentioned the Orange Tree Egg because it was the one that made the biggest impression on me as to how dirty it was.  All of those beautiful leaves were dusty and the little bird that popped out of the top had what looked like webs on it!  I was always so disappointed that Malcolm Forbes took the time to collect the objects but not the time to keep them clean and at their best.
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Post by: historyfan on March 27, 2011, 09:52:30 AM
 
 Since "Alixz" humorously mentioned "The Orange Tree Egg," I heard recently, that THAT specific egg allegedly has had more owners than any of the other eggs, since leaving the Imperial collections!        Regards,  AP.

I mentioned the Orange Tree Egg because it was the one that made the biggest impression on me as to how dirty it was.  All of those beautiful leaves were dusty and the little bird that popped out of the top had what looked like webs on it!  I was always so disappointed that Malcolm Forbes took the time to collect the objects but not the time to keep them clean and at their best.

That is terrible.  : (  I have a neighbour who collects classic cars.  Another guy up the street has one also, but he doesn't maintain it - it sits out all winter without a covering, never mind a garage.  I always think my neighbour is going to have a stroke whenever he goes past it.  Why bother collecting such fantastic (and historically important) objects if you don't have time or desire to maintain them?
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 27, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
  Re "historyfan" and your Post # 63:  IMO, for some people, just knowing that you HAVE/OWN it, is enough.  There are "collectors" and then there are "acquisitors."  I suppose the thrill of the hunt has ALWAYS been in the chase.
  Despite insurance, to some degree, I frequently feel as if I am  an "acquisitor," since obviously small, expensive objects (such as Faberge items, early military decorations, etc.) are best kept in safety deposit boxes, not in a dwelling/apartment in an urban area.  However, I have the satisfaction of knowing they're THERE (and safe). And yes, I frequently DO remove items to display and enjoy from time to time in my home, thereby NOT falling into that dreaded third category:  "hoarder."  But I think that now we/I are potentially OT.  Regards,  AP.
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Post by: Alixz on March 28, 2011, 06:13:02 AM
AP - I think we have been OT for a long long time, but it doesn't really matter because this thread has turned into a collection of Russian related things and subjects.

Malcolm Forbes opened a "museum" to show off his Faberge acquisitions and since he was showing them to the public (at first for free and then, if I remember correctly for a small fee) I just thought that he should have maintained the collection better.

Actually as to a fee, I actually don't remember, but I know that when he added his train layout and collection, the whole exhibit was handled much differently.  I only went there twice after he added the trains and it was many many years ago.
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Post by: griffh on March 28, 2011, 10:58:01 AM
Hey thanks historyfan for your remarks.  I think that my writing is establishing a way to identity myself that has until now been caught up in memoires of my Mom's family, etc.  It is funny but I now come to Alixz thread to relax from my writing and to see what is going on.  Best to everyone...Griff   
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Post by: Alixz on March 28, 2011, 11:42:15 AM
I like the idea of sharing personal "brushes" with the Romanovs.  Like seeing the Forbes Collection or going to the Russian Tea Room.

Meeting people who either made us laugh of smirk.

Also, these occasions happened here in the USA and while not everyone lives close to NYC, so many do have access to the city that it is possible for many to do these things in person which is far better than on line.

The Metropolitan Museum has so many great exhibits.  I saw some Faberge there as well as an exhibition of clothing from Imperial Austria.  Dresses that Sisi wore with her incredibly tiny waist.

Anyone with personal stories of Romanov of royal history interest should share them here.  Not just those of us who can get to NYC because I am sure that other large cosmopolitan cities also have their own exhibits and interests.

I have always been glad to live near Yale Beinecke Library and to have seen and handled Anna Vyrubova's albums.  I am not sure that it is possible any more because some idiot cut up a few of the pictures with a razor, but when I went it was a way to touch the past that I had never imagined possible.  I know that the collection is available on line, but to actually sit down with the albums and turn the pages was amazing!
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Post by: Holly on March 28, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
I enjoy reading this thread and all of your stories. I'm very envious of you, Alixz, for handling Anya V's album! I can't imagine. I saw one of their albums but it was behind glass, unfortunately.

I remember for my thirteenth birthday all I wanted was to go to New Mexico for the exhibition Nicholas & Alexandra: At Home with the Last Tsar and His Family. After much pleading I got this present and spent a week in Santa Fe, NM for "Russian Summer", as they called it. The hotel I stayed in had paper dolls of the IF on the main desk. There was Russian everything in the city all centered on the exhibition which had a lot of the family's clothing, children's toy's, notes, artwork, photograph albums, Fabergé works, and home movies playing on a screen. The day I visited I walked around for hours until a guard came up to me and asked, "Are you bored here? Where are your parents?" I then got into a debate with a couple of much older women about how to pronounce "Tsarskoe Selo".

I somehow always get into some kind of trouble in these Romanov "brushes". I believe I can safely say I've been scolded by guards in every palace possible to enter in St. Petersburg for touching things I wasn't allowed to touch, the worst being in Peterhof. On my trip to Tsarskoe Selo last summer I was anxious to see the Alexander Palace and the park. The man showing my group around was a professor in St. Petersburg named Timofeev and his wife that visited my university and knew us well. He was annoyed to be taking me there and the whole walk over was telling me it was the most uninteresting place in Tsarskoe Selo. The moment we got to the AP I broke away from everyone and went off into the park. They looked for me for around an hour before my friend told them all I was probably exploring and Timofeev told her I couldn't because of the dogs and guards standing post at the front of the palace at the time. My friend could only tell him that he "didn't know Holly."
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on March 28, 2011, 01:48:51 PM
I can relate ... I've been scolded for being a Romanovphile myself. When the Nicholas and Alexandra exhibition was in Wilmington, DE in 1998, my brother and his now-wife were living in Washington, DC, a reasonable driving distance away. I cashed out some frequent flier miles left over from a former job and dragged my husband up there. We all drove to Wilmington on a Saturday and entered the exhibit mid-afternoon. I, of course, was totally lost in my own personal Romanov wonderland and finally made it to the end, only to find my husband, brother and now-sister-in-law, all of them absolutely fuming ... they'd been waiting almost an hour and the exhibit hall was about to close! They finally hauled me out of there and back to DC - I could have easily spent another three hours or so!
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 28, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
I tend to do these things solo, unless I have a friend  who is mutually interested, rather than drag anyone else through an exhibition they would be bored with. Fortunately, my partner is mildly interested in Faberge, so he is OK with that, but he has seen more than his fair share of royal mausoleums so I am sparing him the dead Romanovs when we get to St..P.
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on March 28, 2011, 03:19:08 PM
Actually, both my husband and I are very much museum people; it's just that I get so totally over the top with the Romanovs sometimes. We've passed our love of history on to our older son, a college student, who is thinking of declaring a second major in history to go with sports journalism (strange, I know, but strange works ...  ;) )
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Post by: Holly on March 28, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
so I am sparing him the dead Romanovs when we get to St..P.

Ah, this made me laugh. Thank you, Robert.

It is a good idea not to bring anyone not interested with you to such events. They tend to take away from your joy..
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Post by: Alixz on March 29, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
I have often wondered why Yale Beinecke allowed visitors to the library to actually "handle" the photo albums.  As I said, some idiot had taken a razor blade to some of the pictures and when I got to look at them, the cut and scored pictures were still in the books.

It occurred to me to take the chance and go to Yale to at least try to see the albums when I read the picture credits in Nicholas & Alexandra and found that Beinecke was listed.  All I did was drive to New Haven and walk onto Yale campus and ask students, "Where is Beinecke Library?"

That was in the late 70s and then I went again in the early 80s.  I would bet, though, that security has been tightened a lot in the last 30 years and, of course, since 9/11.

For those not familiar with New Haven or Yale, it is a juxtaposition of Ivy League and "arm pit" New Haven sprawl.  When one drives into New Haven from Whalley Avenue (Route 63), one drives directly onto the Yale campus.  It doesn't sit apart from or along side the city of New Haven as other big universities do.  Yale is very much a part of New Haven as Harvard is to Boston and Columbia is to New York.  The actual university campus can't actually grow anywhere and one of the major libraries is under ground.

Yale dormitories face the New Haven Green while the New Haven Superior Court sits across the green and the trial of Joshua Komisarjevsky the notorious Cheshire, CT. home invasion case, goes on inside.

New Haven is no sleepy little university town.
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Post by: griffh on April 01, 2011, 01:38:23 PM
Well I am taking a break from my writing....


And just to say I also went to the Wilmington Delaware exhibit.  In my overly dramatic way, I decided to wear one of my grey suits as a silent half-mourning tribute to the Empress and her family.

It was the very first time I had ever seen the Tsar's watercolors, or letters, or the furniture, or the gowns and uniforms.  I was literally transfixed.  

Of course I started crying immediately and as I worked my way through the exhibit I worked my way through an entire tissue box as well.  Thank Goodness it was so crowded that no one really noticed my sobs.  

I think one of the things that struck me the most forcefully, were Olga and Tatiana's court gowns with the extremely simple pastel ruched and rosetted designs that decorated the front panels.  It was as if everything I had ever read about Olga and Tatiana was being repeated by the gowns.  

It is funny what one is struck by.

I don't exactly know when I left the exhibit but I do remember buying every book in the bookstore and making my way to my car.  The experience was so overwhelming for me that I lost all tract of time and sat in the front seat of my car for five hours without realizing it.  I got home in NJ sometime in the early morning hours and actually the drive was quite pleasant.  I didn't know at the time that I was seeing some of the furniture from the Lower Palace in Peterhof and now when I see vintage photos of the Lower Palace I can recognize several pieces that were in the exhibition.
  

 
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Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on April 01, 2011, 03:17:47 PM
Wow, that sounds like an absolutley wonderful exibition, griffh!
I sincerely look foward to the release of your book, and I certainly want to read it when it does come out! I didn't read much of the threads you created, but I recently I came across some notes I made some while ago upon reading the first several pages of your first thread. They were made up mostly out of adjectives which you must have used, in fact here they are:
ALEXANDRA’S CHARACTERISTICS:
Truthful-forgiving-compassionate-quick learner-perceptive-brave-religious-intuitive-empathetic-greatly values and respects Nicholas-loves her children-would do anything for Russia-loyal friend-loving wife-values education-loves to learn-
It is hard to read all run together like that, like a run-on sentence, but when one really reads the words one at a time, one realizes what a remarkable woman she was. I look foward to learning more about her.
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 01, 2011, 04:01:18 PM
   Re "griffh" and your Reply # 74:   I, too, made TWO flights to Wilmington, Delaware (Philadelphia airport, of course), especially to see the exhibition that you mentioned in your post. If I remember correctly, its next stop was in the state of Alabama, USA (only 4 appearances in the USA).  The admission price was exceptionally inexpensive, $12. (USD), and you were NOT hurriedly rushed through the rooms. I spent a combined total of approximately eight hours of viewing on my two visits. It was certainly THE most superior exhibition on that era that I have EVER seen.
   For me, the most impressive room of the entire exhibition was almost stark, with muted plain red walls and subtle black trim.  On one wall alone was displayed only three original documents:  the loss of confidence in the Emperor (several telegrams from top Imperial Russian military urging the Emperor to step down), the signed abdication document of the Emperor, and the refusal of the Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich to outright accept the Throne.  End of the dynasty in only a few "ordinary" pieces of paper! On my second trip, I discussed the instrument of abdication in brief with a native Russian woman, who was viewing it intently.  She remarked, "These things we don't see in my country."    Regards,  AP.
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Post by: bestfriendsgirl on April 01, 2011, 08:52:20 PM

I think one of the things that struck me the most forefully, were Olga and Tatiana's court gowns with the extremely simple pastel rouched and rosetted designs that decorated the front panels.  It was as if everything I had ever read about Olga and Tatiana was being repeated by the gowns. 

It is funny what one is struck by.
 

How true! I remember being struck most by two things. The first was the Hussar uniform Nicholas wore on his wedding day. It seemed he were actually there for me, if only for an instant. The other thing was a blood-stained swatch of wallpaper from the basement room of the Ipatiev house. For me, that made their fate fearfully, sickeningly, real.
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on April 01, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
  The "swatch of wallpaper" that was displayed bore the famous/infamous "Belsatzar" quote, but interestingly, the blood-stain was very minor.  
  In my opinion, the most evocative item was the pencilled diary of the Empress which was displayed opened to the last entry before retiring for the evening (and subsequent execution).  
  Somehow, I rather doubt that we will see the likes of the assemblage of this exhibition again any time soon.    Regards,  AP.  
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Post by: historyfan on April 01, 2011, 10:48:22 PM
When was this exhibition held?
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on April 02, 2011, 07:42:32 AM
The one in Delaware was in 1998.
Title: Re: Removal of thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back"
Post by: griffh on April 18, 2011, 12:10:43 PM

I am afraid that all I talked about in connection with the Wilmington Delaware exhibit was how much I cried.  I clearly don't sound sufficiently detached from my subject, the late Empress Alexandra, to be writing a book about her, or so it seemed to me when I re-read my posts on this thread filled as it is with tearful memories.  I remembered an interview with the American poet and author, May Sarton who said that she struggled for years to become recognized in the US because her work was considered too emotional and critics said that it lacked detachment. 

Because I am writing a book on the Empress Alexandra during WWI I felt only embarrassment as I read my posts.  Then on this bright Spring morning, I picked up Jacque Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life, and found this wonderful statement by the author that I have often quoted in the past:

"Claiming detachment need not raise the issue of objectivity.  It is a waste of breath to point out that every observer is in some way biased.  It does not follow that bias cannot be guarded against, that all biases distort equally, or that controlled bias remains as bad propaganda.  In dealing with the arts, for example, it is being “objective” to detect one’s blind spots–step one in detachment.  The second is to refrain from downgrading what one does not respond to.  One has then the duty to report the informed judgment of others.”

That is clearly advice that I can follow and use as a standard for objectivity.  Barzon goes on to say that because he has not interpreted figures and events in the past as other historians have, often speaking in his own name and giving reasons for his “heresy,” he hoped that critics would not label his views as “personal.” 

He then asks:

“What book worth reading is not?  If Henry Adams were to echo Gibbon, we would not greatly value the pastiche. “

Barzon continues to explain:

“On this point of personality, William James concluded after reflection that philosophers do not give us transcripts but visions of the world.  Similarly, historians give visions of the past.  The good ones are not merely plausible; they rest on a solid base of facts that nobody disputes.  There is nothing personal about facts, but there is about choosing and grouping them.  It is by patterning and the meaning ascribed that the vision is conveyed.  And this, if anything, is what each historian adds to the general understanding.  Read more than one historian and the chances are good that you will come closer and closer to the full complexity.   Whoever wants an absolute copy of what happened must gain access to the mind of God.”   [Jacque Barzun, From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life, New York: HarperCollins, 2000, pp. x-xi.] 

It is hard not to be drawn into arguments about ideologies that simply present views of the Empress to prove their point; that are not interested in pursuing an understanding of the individual, but are only interested in arguing ideas.  This is especially true of our present epoch, for as Barzon points out, we are still living in the continuous “aftershocks” of the last of four mega -quakes that have changed the face of Western civilization:  “the 16C religious revolution; the 17C monarchial revolution; the liberal, individualist “French” revolution that straddles the 18thand 19th; the 20C “Russian,” social and collectivist. “ [p. 3.]

Even though research is opening to broader resources in Russia and Europe, recovering an accurate vision of the Empress in the continuing aftermath of a seismic event that has torn the face off Western civilization, giving it a completely new identity that even now is not completely understood, is the challenge that I continually face.     

There are so many statements in the Empress’ correspondence that have been used as evidence of the woman’s complicity in creating a revolution that tore the face off West.  Her over heated statements made during crisis in her own life have acted like “psychological cues” sparking the memory of carnage and loss and intensifying the need to assign blame for a catastrophic and universal  event we still do not fully understand or fully comprehend.  Who, from the perspective of the 17C, could understand the impact of the 16C religious revolution or be able to describe the new face it had given Western Civilization?    And though Marxists and liberals alike have attempted to understand the collectivist revolution of the 20C, their own demise has discredited their vision and rightly so as they have attempted the impossible.  The West’s new face will not be comprehended until we can get far enough away to see it. 

To create a vision of the Empress’ strengths and weakness in context with the vanishing world she was a part of, is an uphill battle.  However precarious, difficult, or taxing for an emotional person such as myself, it is non-the-less a worthy and health giving pursuit.  As Jacques Barzon so clearly states:  “To denounce does not free the self from what it hates, any more than ignoring the past shuts off its influence.”  [p.3]  Well back to my task….best Griff

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Post by: imperial angel on May 24, 2011, 04:35:26 PM
I'm sure your book will be wonderful.I didn't read all of the vanished threads you made, but I remember when I was reading/ skimming through them at times I just would get overwhelmed at how much information there was, especially well sourced information, and I could never take it all in, and I would think, now this thread would make a great book! So I think this information would be better off in a book where it's more easily put together than in different threads spanning long distances of time, mixed with a lot of different people's replies.A lot of threads on Alexandra tend to go on to the individual posters' own answers/ speculation about Alexandra's life, but your threads always had a lot of facts/ sources.Of course, there's a lot about Alexandra's life that will always be open to interpretation and speculation, and I find that interesting to read, but that belongs on more on a forum,than in a book, that's one of the great things about this forum, being able to read different people's take on matters regarding the IF, other royal families, and history.The kind of stuff that you were posting always seemed to me book material, I would have a far easier time absorbing it all in book form.I first got really seriously interested in the Romanovs when I was 11, almost 12, so around the same age as everyone else on here did..but I didn't get on the forum until I was 19.
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Post by: griffh on May 31, 2011, 09:34:20 AM
I'm sure your book will be wonderful.I didn't read all of the vanished threads you made, but I remember when I was reading/ skimming through them at times I just would get overwhelmed at how much information there was, especially well sourced information, and I could never take it all in, and I would think, now this thread would make a great book! So I think this information would be better off in a book where it's more easily put together than in different threads spanning long distances of time, mixed with a lot of different people's replies.A lot of threads on Alexandra tend to go on to the individual posters' own answers/ speculation about Alexandra's life, but your threads always had a lot of facts/ sources.Of course, there's a lot about Alexandra's life that will always be open to interpretation and speculation, and I find that interesting to read, but that belongs on more on a forum,than in a book, that's one of the great things about this forum, being able to read different people's take on matters regarding the IF, other royal families, and history.The kind of stuff that you were posting always seemed to me book material, I would have a far easier time absorbing it all in book form.I first got really seriously interested in the Romanovs when I was 11, almost 12, so around the same age as everyone else on here did..but I didn't get on the forum until I was 19.

Thank you for your encouraging words and kind thoughts imperial angel and it is great to know that you are a member of our "Precocious Pro-Romanov Pre-teens" group.  I am making good progress on my book, and at the same time I do miss all our discussions and interesting exchanges so much.  Best Griff
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Post by: Clemence on July 20, 2011, 02:23:07 PM
just wanted to say I still miss the thread terribly ... wish your book could be in my hands to take it with me this summer!
hope to hear from you soon!
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Post by: koloagirl on July 20, 2011, 04:18:43 PM

Aloha!
 :)
Well I too miss that thread terribly - because I learned SO much from it - constantly!

I am very happy to know though that there is going to be a book and that makes it completely worthwhile - and even more eagerly anticipated!

"Griffth" - you've always been such a wonderful source of information, inspiration and just a wonderful person - I'm very happy to hear the news!

Wishing you the absolute best and I'll be among those putting in a "pre-order" when the time comes - that is for certain! :-*
Malama Pono (take care)
Janet R.
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Post by: griffh on August 23, 2011, 07:26:25 AM
just wanted to say I still miss the thread terribly ... wish your book could be in my hands to take it with me this summer!
hope to hear from you soon!

I miss everyone as well but just to say that things are moving ahead with my book.  I can't express enough gratitude for the help I have recieved as I continue my research and writing.  Thank you again Clemence for you kind thoughts. 


Aloha!
 :)
Well I too miss that thread terribly - because I learned SO much from it - constantly!

I am very happy to know though that there is going to be a book and that makes it completely worthwhile - and even more eagerly anticipated!

"Griffth" - you've always been such a wonderful source of information, inspiration and just a wonderful person - I'm very happy to hear the news!

Wishing you the absolute best and I'll be among those putting in a "pre-order" when the time comes - that is for certain! :-*
Malama Pono (take care)
Janet R.

Thanks Janet and I hope living in "Paradise" is a beautiful and inspiring as ever.  I tired of being awed by the golden, rich pastel sunsets.  Again I do miss everyone so much as well.  I have gradually "relaxed" a bit and am finding my stride.  I think it will be awhile before my book is completed as new research is forever appearing.  Well take care and thank you again for your support and I will let everyone know when my book nears publication.  Best Griff
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Post by: Clemence on September 28, 2012, 01:30:08 AM
No news? Dear griffh I wish I could tell you how much the lost thread retutns to my mind every day! Hope everything goes right!
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Post by: griffh on December 14, 2012, 10:50:14 AM
Forgive me Clemence for not responding sooner.  

Last March I presented a paper on Alix's war relief work at the Southern Conference of Slavic Studies in Savannah GA.  Since the majority of speakers were academics from the Eastern Seaboard and the South, I was recognized as an "Independent Scholar" as all my graduate degrees are all in the fine arts.  My paper was well received, though it created some stir among certain academics.  I became a member of the SCSS and will continue to renew my membership.  Below is the panel I was part of.

SCSS Conference March 29-31, 2012

Session 4: Friday, March 30, 3:15pm
3.7 Relief During and After World War I

Chair: Michael Melancon, Auburn University

Griffith Henninger, Independent Scholar
To Lessen Their Suffering: A Brief History of the HIH Empress Alexandra's War Relief Organizations, 1914-1917

Olavi Arens, Armstrong Atlantic State University
Herbert Hoover, the ARA, and Food Relief to the Baltic States in 1919

Matthew Adams, Savannah Technical College
A Call to Harm’s Way: American Relief During the Polish/Soviet War

Comment: Randall Law, Birmingham Southern University

Our panel's commentator, Randall Law, was amazed that Alix was actively writing her brother Ernest Ludwig letters during the war letters which were full of admiration for the Russian Army which I quoted from Petra's great book.  He also was amazed that I had so much information from the Russian Press which Rudy researched for me from the Helsinki Library.  My sister and niece went with me for moral support and laughs which I really needed as the atmosphere was so serious, though the people were very friendly.

After getting home, my sister and I flew to England to celebrate Easter with my niece and nephew and their son and family.  After Easter, we all drove down to Ticehurst for the Royalty Weekend where I gave an "in-progress" PowerPoint presentation on my book on the Empress' war work.   I owe Richard Thornton and Sue Woolmans so much because they allowed me to speak even though I was the only non-published historian in the group.

ROYALTY WEEKEND  2012

Saturday 13, 2012
10.15   Hugo Vickers, DL:  The Coronation of 1953
   Hugo, historical consultant for the film The King’s Speech, is an author and    lecturer. His recent works include Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece (2000), Elizabeth    the Queen Mother (2005), Behind Closed Doors (2011). Today he speaks about the    Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.

11.15      tea/coffee will be served and books will be on sale in the book room. Follow the signs.

11.45   Griffith Henninger II: To Lessen their Suffering: Empress Alexandra’s War Relief Organisations, 1914-1917
   Griff became interested in Empress Alexandra Feodorovna’s war work while writing a history of nursing during his time as Director of the Nursing School at the Tenacre    Foundation, Princeton, NJ. The lecture throws new light on the Empress’s extensive war    work and includes illustrations from primary sources.
   

I was so scared to follow Hugo Vickers and was terrified that my American accent would sound so awful after hearing Hugo's posh British accent.  I was also terrified that I would not pronounce the Russian names correctly, even though I am currently studying Russian. Dr. Will Lee saved my life and I was able to pronounce Tsarskoe Selo, etc. in the proper Russian manner.  I had included 56 slides for my Power-Point presentation and as many of the photographs came from Russian magazines, hardly anyone in the audience had seen them so they created quite an interest.  I tried to compose them in an artistic manner as well so that the presentation would be pleasing.  

Well I must admit when Janet Ashton came up to me and said I did a good job, I almost fainted from joy.  Just before I began to speak and while I was standing at the podium while Niel Rees was helping me with tech questions, Helen Rappaport came up and I don't know what she said, but it completely calmed me down and gave me a quiet reassurance.  Richard Thornton joined our dinner table the last night of the conference and said how much he enjoyed my talk which was such a thrill and Sue Woolmans was like a sister to me.  

When I got back to NJ I must have slept through May as I was so exhausted from all the excitement.  In June the family from England arrived for three weeks of summer fun and once they left in July I really pulled it together and started waking up every morning at 7am and started expanding my SCSS paper into an article on the Alix's war relief work which I have just finished and sent off to my proof readers.  It took six months to write but I was able to include so much more information as my research increased.  

I am now working hard on my book and have had to rework so much of what I had already written.  I have been given so much help along the way from so many wonderful individuals.  I think that my book will go much faster than my article but at the same time I do not want to rush things.  I have material from GARF on the way which I will use in my book.

Well that is the latest scoop from Pennington, NJ.  

Thanks so much Clemence for your continued interest and support...

Best,

Griff  

 



  

  


    
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Post by: Rodney_G. on December 14, 2012, 11:32:03 AM
Thanks for the update, griffh (Griffith) So many here on the Forum miss your a work and posts and your wonderful ongoing thread re Alexandra. Do chime in whenever you can on her or any others of the Imperial Family (or others) regarding nursing work, other efforts during the War, or for that matter anything of interest regarding them. We admire you whether you're an amateur or a "pro".
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Post by: Laura Mabee on December 14, 2012, 12:06:37 PM
Fantastic update : )
I know we're all looking forward to your work. You're a great historian and writer Griff.
Take your time and don't feel rushed by us. I think we're all just eager : D
The Mona Lisa wasn't painted in a day!
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Post by: koloagirl on December 14, 2012, 03:14:04 PM

Aloha!

So glad to hear the update - will be waiting anxiously for it!

I've learned so much from you already, which I am very thankful for!

Janet R.
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Post by: griffh on December 15, 2012, 07:21:14 AM
Thanks for the update, griffh (Griffith) So many here on the Forum miss your a work and posts and your wonderful ongoing thread re Alexandra. Do chime in whenever you can on her or any others of the Imperial Family (or others) regarding nursing work, other efforts during the War, or for that matter anything of interest regarding them. We admire you whether you're an amateur or a "pro".


Thanks so much Rodney for your kind remarks.  I miss sharing on the AP forum so much and can't wait to get back.  thanks again Griff


Fantastic update : )
I know we're all looking forward to your work. You're a great historian and writer Griff.
Take your time and don't feel rushed by us. I think we're all just eager : D
The Mona Lisa wasn't painted in a day!


You are such a great friend Laura and thanks again for leading me N. K. Zvereva's book, Avgusteĭshie sestry miloserdii︠a︡.  That was a great help as I simply could not find a copy anywhere and I was able to get a download the book but the entire last section, i.e. Vilchkovskys reports on the 80+ hospitals she supervised in the greater Tsarskoselski district , motor squads, etc. were missing.   So thank again for your help.  best Griff



Aloha!

So glad to hear the update - will be waiting anxiously for it!

I've learned so much from you already, which I am very thankful for!

Janet R.

Hey Janet where was that photo of you on FB taken?  It ls a great photo and looks like somewhere in Europe.  Thanks so much for your continuing support.  I will never forget how you softened my view of Anya V. by posting those photos of her in her hospital bed.  Rudy sent me the Finnish publication of her second book and again I was startled at how little she changed but her mother went from looking like a distinguished Tolstoy aristocrat to a androgynous worn out old peasant.  I couldn't help thinking that Anya's mother carried Anya though the tragedy of their lives.  But again I could be completely wrong.  I don't know if you have read "Former People" yet but there is a photo of Princess Trubetskoy just before her death in Butyrki prison in 1943 and it was so much like what happened to Anya's mother, only in the Princess' case, she looked like she had died a long time ago.   Mme. Taneeva had the same haunted look, as if her identity had been tortured out of her. 

Well forgive me for sort of bringing things down with those remarks as it was so good to hear from you and everyone....I hope that everyone is having a joyful holiday season, even though all of our hearts have been torn by the terrible events of yesterday in Conn. 

Best, Griff
 
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Post by: koloagirl on December 15, 2012, 01:07:16 PM

Aloha!

You got that right Griff - it was taken in Paris this last September!  Good eye!

Have a wonderful Holiday Season - mahalo (thanks) for all your very kind words!

Janet R.
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Post by: Clemence on June 04, 2013, 03:26:47 PM
Stil waiting for the book! We miss the thread though ... do you think, maybe after the book, we could have it back?
Have a nice summertime, all of you!
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Post by: griffh on March 19, 2014, 12:55:51 PM
Well finally I can report that my first article on Empress Alexandra's War Relief Work is appearing in the March 2014 Royalty Digest Quarterly which will be available soon.  The magazine is also publishing an article by Janet Ashton on Queen Marie and her swashbuckling American admirer, Samuel Hill.  Janet has been so incredibly supportive over the years that I am so thrilled that my article is appearing in the same issue as her. 

It has been a long journey but very exciting non-the-less and just to say how much I owe AP discussion forum as I met so many individuals who have remained such wonderful friends. 

Once I return from England in the middle of April I will start a new thread on Empress Alexandra which will allow individuals to question or comment on the articles as they appear.   

Just a final thank you for all the support and encouragement I have received from everyone who contributed to my thread on the Empress.... :)
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Post by: griffh on March 20, 2014, 12:21:56 PM
I just wanted to add a note and say that by the time my last article is published in Royalty Digest Quarterly, I should be close to finishing my book. 

Again thank everyone who has been so supportive....
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Post by: historyfan on March 20, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Day...made! That's fantastic news, griff!!!
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 20, 2014, 04:40:30 PM
And Griff has duly been added as a published member on the 'authors on the AP Forum' thread. :)
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Post by: Helen on March 21, 2014, 02:39:34 AM
Well finally I can report that my first article on Empress Alexandra's War Relief Work is appearing in the March 2014 Royalty Digest Quarterly which will be available soon.
Congratulations , Griff!
The issue is already available, and I just ordered a copy from Van Hoogstraten Online Shop, The Hague.

I just wanted to add a note and say that by the time my last article is published in Royalty Digest Quarterly, I should be close to finishing my book.  
That's wonderful news! I look forward to that moment. :)
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Post by: matushka on March 21, 2014, 12:10:42 PM
Great news after a long and patient work!
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Post by: Janet Ashton on March 21, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
Well finally I can report that my first article on Empress Alexandra's War Relief Work is appearing in the March 2014 Royalty Digest Quarterly which will be available soon.  The magazine is also publishing an article by Janet Ashton on Queen Marie and her swashbuckling American admirer, Samuel Hill.  Janet has been so incredibly supportive over the years that I am so thrilled that my article is appearing in the same issue as her. 



Thanks, Griff - and I now have my copy with your wonderful article - so nice to see it in print at last, and so well-deserved!

You have even longer footnotes than Greg and I do on ours - which is also in a big way about the majestic Columbia River as well as Queen Marie and Sam and the Maryhill Museum, because that great wide rolling strip of water and its bleak yellow banks, along with Seattle and Portland, absolutely inspired the article!  :-)
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2014, 03:37:08 PM
Day...made! That's fantastic news, griff!!!

Thanks so much historyfan...the photographs in the first article are pretty standard, even though I love them, but the second article will have some unpublished photos which I think will be interesting...
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2014, 03:38:20 PM
And Griff has duly been added as a published member on the 'authors on the AP Forum' thread. :)

Again thanks so much for including me on the author's page...I am getting dizzy just thinking about it....
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
Well finally I can report that my first article on Empress Alexandra's War Relief Work is appearing in the March 2014 Royalty Digest Quarterly which will be available soon.
Congratulations , Griff!
The issue is already available, and I just ordered a copy from Van Hoogstraten Online Shop, The Hague.

I just wanted to add a note and say that by the time my last article is published in Royalty Digest Quarterly, I should be close to finishing my book.  
That's wonderful news! I look forward to that moment. :)

Oh "Helen" you have been such a good friend and such a wonderful help to me and invaluable resource!!!!
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2014, 03:41:31 PM
Great news after a long and patient work!

Oh thanks so much "matushka" and again I am in your debt for Anna forever.....
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Post by: griffh on March 21, 2014, 03:44:33 PM
Well finally I can report that my first article on Empress Alexandra's War Relief Work is appearing in the March 2014 Royalty Digest Quarterly which will be available soon.  The magazine is also publishing an article by Janet Ashton on Queen Marie and her swashbuckling American admirer, Samuel Hill.  Janet has been so incredibly supportive over the years that I am so thrilled that my article is appearing in the same issue as her. 



Thanks, Griff - and I now have my copy with your wonderful article - so nice to see it in print at last, and so well-deserved!

You have even longer footnotes than Greg and I do on ours - which is also in a big way about the majestic Columbia River as well as Queen Marie and Sam and the Maryhill Museum, because that great wide rolling strip of water and its bleak yellow banks, along with Seattle and Portland, absolutely inspired the article!  :-)

OH my gosh Janet I can't wait to read your article!!!!...and YES those footnote of mine go on forever, don't they...In the future articles I have tried to trim them down a bit and include the material in the text...see you in a few weeks....
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Post by: rosieposie on March 22, 2014, 08:50:57 AM
I never understood that thread so never bothered posting on it.
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Post by: griffh on March 22, 2014, 03:39:11 PM
RosiePosie, that is quite understandable.  By-the-by, I noticed that your banner is of Princess Grace. Just to say, one the favorite books in my library is Princess Grace's Book of Flowers...
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Post by: TimM on March 22, 2014, 05:30:13 PM
Congratulations, Griffh.
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Post by: rosieposie on March 23, 2014, 06:13:41 AM
RosiePosie, that is quite understandable.  By-the-by, I noticed that your banner is of Princess Grace. Just to say, one the favorite books in my library is Princess Grace's Book of Flowers...

Thank you Griffh.  :)

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Post by: griffh on March 23, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
Congratulations, Griffh.

Thanks so much Tim.
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Post by: Janet Ashton on March 23, 2014, 09:22:49 AM

YES those footnote of mine go on forever, don't they...


Not at all - they just show that you are a born historian..:-) Sometimes information would break up the flow of the text, but is too important to be ignored. Personally, I love a nice long note discussing the merits of various accounts, which would be distracting and quite out of place in the main article. :-)
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Post by: griffh on March 24, 2014, 01:52:24 PM

YES those footnote of mine go on forever, don't they...


Not at all - they just show that you are a born historian..:-) Sometimes information would break up the flow of the text, but is too important to be ignored. Personally, I love a nice long note discussing the merits of various accounts, which would be distracting and quite out of place in the main article. :-)

WOW thanks Janet...In the second article I have tried to introduce more information in the text...we will have to see how that works...

Hey Janet, just to say, I am not quite sure where I should introduce my new thread on the Empress...do you have any ideas? 

I sort of want to start a thread where I could answer questions about my articles, as well as open a discussion on the Empress.  I was thinking of calling it "The Empress Alexandra Fight Back: Part Two"

Well anyway I guess things will have to wait till I get back from England....
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Post by: Clemence on March 25, 2014, 04:08:37 PM
Congratulations! Where can we find your articles? I miss your writings so much ... nice to know your book is soon to be in our hands!
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Post by: Janet Ashton on March 26, 2014, 01:43:53 PM



Hey Janet, just to say, I am not quite sure where I should introduce my new thread on the Empress...do you have any ideas? 

I sort of want to start a thread where I could answer questions about my articles, as well as open a discussion on the Empress.  I was thinking of calling it "The Empress Alexandra Fight Back: Part Two"



I'd keep it in this section and call it something about her war work, maybe?

See you next weekend!
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Post by: griffh on March 29, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
Congratulations! Where can we find your articles? I miss your writings so much ... nice to know your book is soon to be in our hands!

Clemence' my first article is in the current Royalty Digest Quarterly no. 1 March 2014 which you can buy online from Royalty Digest  Quarterly Digest website or van Hoogsstaten online shop. 

Thanks so much for your kind remarks......
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Post by: griffh on March 29, 2014, 04:39:03 PM



Hey Janet, just to say, I am not quite sure where I should introduce my new thread on the Empress...do you have any ideas? 

I sort of want to start a thread where I could answer questions about my articles, as well as open a discussion on the Empress.  I was thinking of calling it "The Empress Alexandra Fight Back: Part Two"





I'd keep it in this section and call it something about her war work, maybe?

See you next weekend!

Great idea Janet!  Pam and I arrived in England on Thursday...finally caught up with the time change and now England leaps a hour ahead....

See you next weekend!!!

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Post by: Clemence on April 10, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Any news of the book yet?

Happy Easter from Greece!