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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Greek Royal Family => Topic started by: Jim1026 on January 01, 2005, 01:40:30 PM

Title: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Jim1026 on January 01, 2005, 01:40:30 PM
Do any of our posters know in which cemetery in New
York City she was buried?  I do know she was buried in her fathers Mausoleum and Prince Christopher accompanied the body back for burial. ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on January 01, 2005, 03:26:56 PM
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Do any of our posters know in which cemetery in New
York City she was buried?  I do know she was buried in her fathers Mausoleum and Prince Christopher accompanied the body back for burial. ???



Woodlawn, according to an article in the NYTimes.
Title: HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece
Post by: Marlene on January 01, 2005, 03:28:37 PM
Nancy Leeds was not styled Princess Christopher.  She was created a Princess in her own right, as HRH Princess Anastasia -- well, when your millions help restore the monarchy, the least the king could do was create Nancy a princess.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on January 01, 2005, 04:05:49 PM
Wasn't it her son who married Princess Xenia (daughter of Greek Minny & GD George M.)?
Title: Re: HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece
Post by: Jim1026 on January 01, 2005, 04:19:13 PM
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Nancy Leeds was not styled Princess Christopher.  She was created a Princess in her own right, as HRH Princess Anastasia -- well, when your millions help restore the monarchy, the least the king could do was create Nancy a princess.


Thanks Marlene for the correction.  I had forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Martyn on January 01, 2005, 06:34:12 PM
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Wasn't it her son who married Princess Xenia (daughter of Greek Minny & GD George M.)?


William Leeds - we have been talking about Xenia and William in another thread.  Apparently they had played together as children and got engaged in1921 - she was sixteen, he eighteen and it was a shock to the family.  Despite objections, they persisited with the wish to be married, even threatening to elope if necessary.  As Charlotte Zeepvat pithily remarked 'the marriage was not a success'....
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on January 03, 2005, 10:05:32 AM
 (As Charlotte Zeepvat pithily remarked 'the marriage was not a success)


sadly true ... William Leeds inherited his millions far too early - and sadly, his second wife got most of the fortune.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Svetabel on January 08, 2005, 04:39:50 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Princess.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessAnastasia--.jpg)

Stunning woman! Hope that Prince Christopher loved not only her money but herself.
BTW,I wonder was Princess Francoise,2d spouse of Pr.Christo as rich as Nancy?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Martyn on January 08, 2005, 05:36:49 AM
Svetabel I've never seen that first photo of Nancy Leeds before - she certainly was attractive and wealthy to boot!
Her taste for jewels is equally well known; the second photo shows her wearing her Cartier diamond tiara that has vague echoes of GDss Vladimir's famous diadem (now the property of QEII)..........
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on February 08, 2005, 08:29:22 AM
Princess Françoise d'Orléans also came into the marriage with Christopher of Greece with a considerable dowry, centered mainly in jewels, properties and stocks.  As the daughter of the immensely wealthy Duc de Guise, the repository of many fortunes within the French Royal Family, Guise left financially endowed all his children.  I do not know, how much money Nancy leeds had, thus I cannot compare bwteen both, but Françoise was not poor by any means.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on February 08, 2005, 08:32:31 AM
I also find this fact fascinating...the latest royal-to-royal coupling seems to be that of Prince Aimone of Savoy-Aosta, Duke de Puglie, and Princess Olga of Greece.  Aimone is a grandson of the late Prince Henri d'Orléans, Count of Paris (1908-1999); while Olga is a granddaughter of the late princess Christopher of Greece (née Françoise d'Orléans).  Henri and Françoise were siblings, both being the children of the Duc de Guise.

Fabulous royal marriage in the making...

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on February 08, 2005, 09:44:31 AM
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Princess Françoise d'Orléans also came into the marriage with Christopher of Greece with a considerable dowry, centered mainly in jewels, properties and stocks.  As the daughter of the immensely wealthy Duc de Guise, the repository of many fortunes within the French Royal Family, Guise left financially endowed all his children.  I do not know, how much money Nancy leeds had, thus I cannot compare bwteen both, but Françoise was not poor by any means.

Arturo Beéche



Nancy Leeds brought millions into the marriage. She was far wealthier than Francoise,  as I think she inherited about $25 million when William Leeds, the tin plate king, died - her husbabd.  Now that $25 million would translated into a far higher figure today.  The family is still wealthy, but a good portion of the money went to the second wife of her son, William.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on February 08, 2005, 09:45:26 AM
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Nancy Leeds brought millions into the marriage. She was far wealthier than Francoise,  as I think she inherited about $25 million when William Leeds, the tin plate king, died - her husbabd.  Now that $25 million would translated into a far higher figure today.  The family is still wealthy, but a good portion of the money went to the second wife of her son, William.


Nancy was rich enough to largely pay for the Greek royal family and contribute to their return to Greece ... She was created a Princess in her own right because of all that American money.
Title: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Frederika on November 04, 2005, 09:57:09 AM
Does any one no anything about princess francoise mother of prince michael of greece?
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 04, 2005, 12:40:37 PM
Not much...I think a biography of Prince Christopher of Greece is in order. AThat would include both his wives and his son, Prince Michael. I wonder why he hadn't wrote of it himself, since he is such a good writer...
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 04, 2005, 11:33:49 PM
The basics:

Françoise Isabelle Louise Marie
Born: Paris 25 Dec 1902
Died:  Paris 25 Feb 1953
Married: 11 Feb 1929 Christopher of Greece (d.1940)

Paternal grandparents: Robert, Duc de Chartres and Princess Francoise of Orleans (there was a lot of intermarriage)

Maternal grandparents: Louis Philippe Comte de Paris and Infanta Maria Isabella of Spain

Parents: Jean, Duc de Guise (he became head of the Orléanist line upon the death of his cousin Philippe Duc d'Orléans in 1926) married in 1899 his first cousin Princess Isabelle d'Orléans

siblings (Francoise was the 2nd child):
Isabelle (1900- 1983); m. (1) 1923 Bruno, Comte d'Harcourt (2) Prince Pierre Murat

Anne Hélène Marie (1906-1986); m. Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Duke of Aosta

Henri Robert Ferdinand Marie Louis Philippe, Comte de Paris (1908-1999); m. Princess Isabella of Orléans and Braganza

Children:
Prince Michael of Greece (b.1939)
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 04, 2005, 11:35:14 PM
Perhaps it's too close to home for Prince Michael--he was only a year old when his father died and 13 or 14 when his mother died.

They're pretty mild, but the memoirs of Prince Christopher give some good impressions of his wife.
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2005, 03:42:57 AM
Yet it would be good to hear it from a third person's perpective...
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Frederika on November 05, 2005, 07:12:39 AM
why did francoise die so young?
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 05, 2005, 10:36:56 AM
I always thought Princes Françoise died of cancer.  I have been checking Madame's, the late Countess of Paris' memoirs for more information on this, but cannot find it.

After Françoise's death Prince Michael was taken by the late Count and Countess and he lived with them for quite some time.  Initially Michael and Madame did not have a good relationship, but after time things settled and all managed to get along.

In July 2003 I attended the late Countess of Paris' funeral at Dreux and had an opportunity to ask Prince Michael his impressions on his aunt at the reception following the funeral.  They were quite favorable I must say.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2005, 11:08:01 AM
Thanks for the extra info on thee Countess of Paris. By the way, why didn't the Greek family took Prince Michael in ?
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 05, 2005, 05:26:32 PM
As he was an orphan of father...Prince Michael wa sunder his mother's care.  Greece was in a high state of disarray between 1940-1949.  Françoise remained next to her own family in the safety of Morocco and later France - hence Michael grew up more francophile than hellene.  Later on his contacts with Greece increased.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2005, 06:42:16 AM
I wonder who was his favourite Greek cousin or Uncle ?
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 06, 2005, 10:39:46 AM
Michael is close to Queen Sofía.  In his memoirs he does not talk much about his Greek relations and in fact they end as he is preparing to move to Athens!

I am hoping to meet Prince Michael during my next visit to paris the first week in December.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 06, 2005, 10:41:50 AM
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I wonder who was his favourite Greek cousin or Uncle ?


Since by the time of his birth the only Greek uncles left were George and Andrea...and Andrea died in 1944...and Michael lived in France, where George lived...can you guess?

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2005, 10:46:06 AM
Yes I can...Gorggie ( as Josephine Charlotte of Luxemberg has pronounced it)
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 06, 2005, 11:08:01 AM
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Yes I can...Gorggie ( as Josephine Charlotte of Luxemberg has pronounced it)


Actually it is "Uncle Goggie," if you prefer the use of the private family nickname when referring to royals, which I personally try to avoid out of respect.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2005, 07:57:46 PM
Well...If she can say it on Television, it is not out of respect. The late Grand Duchesss clearly wanted to share her private information with the audience, and she appeared to have enjoyed herself in the process as well.
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on November 07, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
My personal choice is to refer to them by their real name, not family nicknames as they are not my family.  A matter of choice.

Does one refer to the Queen Mum as "Mummy," just because the Queen called her thus?  I think not.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 09:26:00 AM
My dear Arturo "mummy' is not a nickname. Lilibet is. Although most calls the Queen "Brenda". It is only deemed disrespectful if we say it to their faces.

Diana did refer to her sister-in-law as "Fergie" like thee rest of us during one of her many photo calls.
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 07, 2005, 10:24:24 AM
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Thanks for the extra info on thee Countess of Paris. By the way, why didn't the Greek family took Prince Michael in ?


If I can add to what Arturo already mentioned, Michael says in his memoirs that King Paul remained his legal guardian as Head of the House, but the Count of Paris was entrusted with Michael's care, who sent monthly progress reports to King Paul about Michael.
I have read somewhere that Michael was in fact adopted by the Greek Royal Family, legally, but not sure about that.
Regards!
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 07, 2005, 10:27:16 AM
Arturo,

In his memoirs, Michael seems to have been raised as a Catholic as a child.  Out of curiosity, do you know if he was raised Catholic and then returned to Orthodoxy upon taking up his Greek duties? Or was he always Orthodox but due to family obligations attended Catholic mass?

Also, any light on whether he was officially adopted by King Paul (legally even if his uncle the CofP raised him?)

Regards
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2005, 10:58:52 AM
I heard he remained in the East Ordrodox faith...
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 07, 2005, 06:23:11 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/greek/princesschristo.jpg)

Heres a lovely picture of HRH Princess Christopher of Greece & Denmark; Born HRH Princess Francoise of France.
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: Marlene on November 07, 2005, 10:34:08 PM
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Arturo,

In his memoirs, Michael seems to have been raised as a Catholic as a child.  Out of curiosity, do you know if he was raised Catholic and then returned to Orthodoxy upon taking up his Greek duties? Or was he always Orthodox but due to family obligations attended Catholic mass?

Also, any light on whether he was officially adopted by King Paul (legally even if his uncle the CofP raised him?)

Regards


He was baptised according to the rites of the Orthodox church, but did attend Catholic church as a child, even going through the First Communion process.  But when he reached his majority, and moved to Greece, he returned to the Greek Church.  he was never adopted by Paul, in the legal sense of the word.  But he was adopted in the sense of being a part of Paul's family.
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:44:31 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/francoiberian/7e_1GreecePrs.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:45:04 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/francoiberian/86611.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/francoiberian/christophergreece1888-31.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:46:11 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/francoiberian/a4921.jpg)
Title: Re: Princess Francoise of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 07, 2005, 11:46:58 PM
Michael and his mother

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/queenena/francoiberian/francoisemichael.jpg)
Title: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: José on April 06, 2006, 05:29:59 PM
On that wonderful book "La familia de la reyna Sofia" I came across with a passage saying that in 1912 Pr.Christopher of Greece was invited to become ... king of Portugal  :o ?!?!?
Who invited him   >:(?
99,99% of the Portuguese people sure didn't know who Pr.Christopher was - as he was only the very low-profile younger son of the King of the Hellenes, and very much unknown in Greece itself.

Later he was offered the thrones of Lituania and Albania which he also (wisely) refused  :-?.

The refusal of the Portuguese throne according to the book was because of 3 reasons:

1. He had no interest whatsoever in politics;
2. Neither the country nor the Prince were wealthy enough to worth a try  :(;
3. Pr. Christopher was a good friend of King D. Manuel II and the idea seemed to him a sort of a treason to a good friend (Later D.Manuel was bestman of Pss. Françoise d'Orléans when she married Pr. Christopher).

Was it any brilliant idea from the great powers to install a new dynasty in Portugal ?
The danish RF had already been successfully "exported" to Greece and Norway, so ...  ;)
 
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: José on April 13, 2006, 11:55:37 AM
Got this answer in another Forum:

"If I remenber well a rich (jewish?) man who was a very great friend of the prince of Greece speculated about the Throne of Portugal for him, I think there were guns involved, the Prince told the story in his memoirs."

Anyone can add anything to this piece of information ?

Well, that makes me think.
Pr.Philip could be the present King of Portugal  :o
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: José on April 13, 2006, 12:02:49 PM
Ooooops ! >:(

Not Pr. Philip, but Pr. Michael.
He seems a nicer chap.

Incredible the age gap between those 1st cousins first-borns:

Constantin I ----George II (b.1890)
George-----------Peter      (b. 1908)
Alexandra--------GD.Maria (b.1890)
Nicholas----------Olga        (b.1903)
Maria-------------Nina         (b.1901)
Andrew-----------Margarita (b. 1905)
Christopher------Michael    (b. 1939)

Michael is younger than Sophie Q.of Spain, grand-daughter of Constantin I
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Yseult on April 13, 2006, 04:36:24 PM
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On that wonderful book "La familia de la reyna Sofia" I came across with a passage saying that in 1912 Pr.Christopher of Greece was invited to become ... king of Portugal  :o ?!?!?
Who invited him   >:(?
99,99% of the Portuguese people sure didn't know who Pr.Christopher was - as he was only the very low-profile younger son of the King of the Hellenes, and very much unknown in Greece itself.

Later he was offered the thrones of Lituania and Albania which he also (wisely) refused  :-?.

The refusal of the Portuguese throne according to the book was because of 3 reasons:

1. He had no interest whatsoever in politics;
2. Neither the country nor the Prince were wealthy enough to worth a try  :(;
3. Pr. Christopher was a good friend of King D. Manuel II and the idea seemed to him a sort of a treason to a good friend (Later D.Manuel was bestman of Pss. Françoise d'Orléans when she married Pr. Christopher).

Was it any brilliant idea from the great powers to install a new dynasty in Portugal ?
The danish RF had already been successfully "exported" to Greece and Norway, so ...  ;)
 


Mnnn...Prince Christopher was the same Prince Christopher who liked spiritism and once talked with great duchess Tatiana?

 :P
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 13, 2006, 07:26:44 PM
Anyone know the title of Prince Christopher's memoirs and availability?
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Ena on June 07, 2006, 09:06:31 AM
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Anyone know the title of Prince Christopher's memoirs and availability?
The title is Memoirs of H.R.H. Prince Christopher of Greece

I purchased mine recently from www.bookfinder.com

There are still several left for sale.  
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 08, 2006, 06:46:58 PM
Thanks, Ena!

I recently did find a copy and I am still enjoying reading it.  It's a very fun memoir! :)
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Ena on June 09, 2006, 03:05:50 PM
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Thanks, Ena!

I recently did find a copy and I am still enjoying reading it.  It's a very fun memoir! :)
Wonderful!  I am still waiting for my copy to arrive.  I've heard it's good but light reading, with a lot of anecdotes about the royals.  Are you finding that to be the case so far?
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 09, 2006, 08:27:16 PM
Yes, Ena, exactly.

He mostly just glances over events, not very meaty, but still worthwhile.  I love readings from the royals' own perspectives.
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Prince_Christopher on June 09, 2006, 10:43:01 PM
I think Prince Christopher is an often overlooked royal.  He had a really good position and perspective.

He was VERY well connected, especially among his first cousins and nieces and nephews.  He was witness to a lot of history, didn't have to actually worry about ruling, and was able to wander around and enjoy himself.  He made a lot of really interesting observations, and he was quite interested in the psychic world.  He seems to have been a caring individual, taking care of his mother in her old age.  He was one of those royals who saw the old world and the new.

However, I have several questions about him:

1.  He claims in his memoirs that his first wife was only 4 years older than him but other sites show her being 10 years older, which I think is probably right.  I wonder why he wrote this?

2.  He was only about 52 when he died, having just fathered his only child and written his memoirs.  What did he die from?  I wonder if his memoirs were written in anticipation of his life ending soon?

3.  Of course, his son, Prince Michael, was only an infant when his father died, and his mother, Princess Francoise, died in 1953 when Michael would have only been about 14 years old.  Who did Michael live with the rest of his childhood?

Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: ashdean on September 08, 2006, 10:06:13 AM
Princess Françoise d'Orléans also came into the marriage with Christopher of Greece with a considerable dowry, centered mainly in jewels, properties and stocks.  As the daughter of the immensely wealthy Duc de Guise, the repository of many fortunes within the French Royal Family, Guise left financially endowed all his children.  I do not know, how much money Nancy leeds had, thus I cannot compare bwteen both, but Françoise was not poor by any means.

Arturo Beéche
Nancy Stewart Leeds reputedly inherited $75 million when William Leeds "the tin plate King" died.I doubt the Duc de Guise (however generous)was able to provide each of his three daughters with that kind of dowry !!!
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: amelia on September 08, 2006, 04:22:55 PM
I just would like to clarify. Who is prince Michael of Greece mother? Nancy Leeds?  Thank you

Amelia
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Seth Leonard on September 08, 2006, 06:57:28 PM
Amelia,

Françoise d'Orléans was the mother of Michael. Françoise was Prince Christopher's second wife; Nancy Leeds, his first.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2006, 02:31:41 AM
Nancy Leeds also had a son, Billy Leeds who married Princess Xenia of Russia. Their home in Oyster Bay was the setting for Anna Anderson in the USA. Didn't know how much Chris got, but I think Billy Jr. got the bigger share.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on September 15, 2006, 03:35:49 PM
The bulk of the Leeds estate went to William B. Leeds, Nancy's son by her late first husband.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
That's what I thought... ::)
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 16, 2006, 11:58:34 AM
The bulk of the Leeds estate went to William B. Leeds, Nancy's son by her late first husband.

Arturo Beéche


Did Nancy divorce her first husband or was she a widow?


TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: ashdean on September 16, 2006, 12:51:41 PM
She was the  widow of W B LEEDS. I seem to remember reading an article that Leeds was not Nancy's first husband but Christopher did not know....
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2006, 08:03:58 PM
Really...Chris didn't know ? Who was the first then ? She was always refffered to as Mrs. Leeds.  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: griffh on September 16, 2006, 09:05:01 PM
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/griffh130/SecondPrincessChristopher.jpg)
The very stunning second wife of Prince Christopher of Greece, Princess Francoise of France, daughter of the Duc and Duchesse De Guise.  Photograph, circa early 1930’s.


(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h65/griffh130/PrincesswithFamily.jpg)
Francoise, Princess Christopher of Greece with her father, mother, sisters and brother. (sorry for the poor quality of my scan)

Seated left to right: 
Princess Francoise’s brother, the Comte de Paris; the Princess’s mother, the Duchess de Guise (a beautiful woman who looked almost as young as her daughters); and her father, the Duc de Guise.

Standing left to right: 
Princess Francoise’s sister, the Duchess of Acosta; Francoise, Princess Christopher of Greece; Princess Francoise’s sister, Princess Pierre Murat.  Photograph, circa late 1930’s.   

Prince Christopher met Princess Francoise of France at the marriage of Prince Philip of Hesse to Princess Mafalda of Italy which was held at Racconigi, the King of Italy’s palace near Turin.  However there were so many relatives that he did not get a chance to really become acquainted, though he found her enchanting. 

Interestingly enough it was after a visit by Prince’s niece, Princess Xenia, (Mrs. Leeds), that whilst seeing Xenia off before she sailed to Naples, Prince Christopher met Princess Francoise again.  This time he really fell in love with her. 

He confided his feelings to the Princess’ aunty, the Dowager Duchess of d’Aosta (who I believe was the beautiful Princess Helene de Orleans that had been the Empress Dowager of Russia’s first choice for her son to marry).  Then a year after confiding his feelings to the Dowager Duchess, the Duchess cabled Prince Christopher to come to Naples.  The rest is history.           
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: KarlandZita on September 17, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
Princess Françoise was a very beautiful and human person who only thought of making the good and to make people happy around her.

Here is a picture of her at the beginning of the Twenties, before her marriage with Prince Christophe of Greece :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/francoise5.jpg)
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 17, 2006, 04:50:10 PM
Haven't seen this photo before where did you find it ?  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 18, 2006, 04:59:44 PM
The last picture is very lovely indeed....
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: griffh on September 18, 2006, 05:05:52 PM
She is quite a beauty, those lumious eyes, over-power her stunning profile. 
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2006, 08:57:23 PM
She looked very chic to me...Very French !  ;)
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: KarlandZita on September 19, 2006, 09:22:06 AM
Haven't seen this photo before where did you find it ?  ???


This picture comes quite simply from the photo album of Henry, Count of Paris, captioned and with accompagnying notes by Prince Michael of Greece... The proper son of Princess Françoise !
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 19, 2006, 07:54:52 PM
He confided his feelings to the Princess’ aunty, the Dowager Duchess of d’Aosta (who I believe was the beautiful Princess Helene de Orleans that had been the Empress Dowager of Russia’s first choice for her son to marry).  Then a year after confiding his feelings to the Dowager Duchess, the Duchess cabled Prince Christopher to come to Naples.  The rest is history. 



The Dowager Duchess of d’Aosta , is this the great-grandmother  of the young man engaged to Prince Michael of Greece's (som of Prince Christopher) daughter. 

The Royal weding we have been waiting two years for!  ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 19, 2006, 08:59:06 PM
Yes...We are still waiting for concrete dates.

Back to Nancy Leeds. I know that Billy Jr. married Princess Xenia and later divorced. Did he marry again and have more children ?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 20, 2006, 05:39:42 AM
Eric,

He married but I do not know about children from the second marriage.  His second wife ended up with a lot of money.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2006, 11:18:26 PM
Naturally...Second wives usually do... :(

It would be nice to know if there were children or not. Maybe Princess Xenia's daughter may know... ???

Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 22, 2006, 06:16:21 AM
Nancy Leeds got a big chunk of the fortune.

TampaBay

Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2006, 12:42:43 PM
You mean Xenia's daughter right ?  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 22, 2006, 07:29:51 PM
Yes!  Xenia's daughter is Nancy leeds.  She passed away only recently.

Tampabay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 22, 2006, 11:07:50 PM
Yes!  Xenia's daughter is Nancy leeds.  She passed away only recently.

Tampabay

Too many similar names.  :)

George & Olga--Christopher m. Nancy Leeds--no issue

George & Olga--Marie m. GD George--Xenia m. (1) Billy Leeds div. 1930 (2) Herman Jud

William Leeds m. Nancy Stewart--William 'Billy' Leeds m. Princess Xenia of Russia--Nancy m. Edward Wynkoop--Alexandra

The note I saw said that Billy Leeds died in 1971 and didn't list any other marriages or children. The recent obits of Nancy Wynkoop didn't mention half-siblings either.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 23, 2006, 06:49:19 AM
Who was Wynkoop.  Does anyone know anything about him?  Does Alexandra Wynkoop have succession rights to the Greek Throne? 

Seems I read somewhere that she does hold succession/dynastic rights.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2006, 08:49:48 AM
I don't think so...There are so many males before her... ::)
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Prince_Christopher on September 23, 2006, 10:26:05 AM
Who was Wynkoop.  Does anyone know anything about him?  Does Alexandra Wynkoop have succession rights to the Greek Throne? 

Seems I read somewhere that she does hold succession/dynastic rights.

TampaBay

I'm with you Tampa, I believe she does have succession rights, although I'm not clear about all of the details.  It seems it had something to do with Nancy Leeds aka Princess Anastasia securing dynastic rights for the descendants of her son William Bateman Leeds Jr. and Princess Xenia of Russia....
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2006, 10:30:52 AM
I think that is purely academic at this point in time... :(
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 10:50:21 AM
Who was Wynkoop.  Does anyone know anything about him?  Does Alexandra Wynkoop have succession rights to the Greek Throne? 

Seems I read somewhere that she does hold succession/dynastic rights.

TampaBay

Here's what was said about him at the time the engagement was announced:

"Princess Xenia of Russia, who resides in this city and Glen Cove, L. I., has announced the engagement of her daughter, Miss Nancy Helen Marie Leeds, to Lieut. Edward Judson Wynkoop Jr., USNR, son of Dr. and Mrs. Wynkoop of Syracuse, NY....    Lieutenant Wynkoop was graduated from Hamilton College. He is a grandson of Mr. and Mrs. Jonathan G. Wynkoop and Mr. and Mrs. Kingman Niver of Syracuse."

As regards the succession, yes they do hold rights:

Nancy Leeds Wynkoop, and her daughter, Alexandra, are still listed in the succession to the Greek throne:

Crown Prince Pavlos
His Children
Prince Nikolaos
Prince Philippos
Princess Alexia
Her children
Theodora
Irene
Nancy Leeds Wynkoop (until her death, obviously)
Alexandra Wynkoop

There was apparently a deal between Constantine & Nancy Leeds (I don't know what all that pertains) and GDss Marie (Xenia's mother) didn't renounce her rights when she married GD George.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 10:58:47 AM

The note I saw said that Billy Leeds died in 1971 and didn't list any other marriages or children. The recent obits of Nancy Wynkoop didn't mention half-siblings either.

Actually, I did just find this from Time magazine:

Jun 1, 1936
Married— William Bateman Leeds, 34, son & namesake of the late tin-plate tycoon; and Olive Hamilton, 23, onetime Atlantic City telephone operator; aboard Mr. Leeds's yacht Moana, off Miami. Since 1930, when he rescued her from, drowning at Atlantic City, N. J., they have been constant companions. His first wife was Russian Princess Xenia Romanov.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 11:03:18 AM
More on the Leeds family and the fortune:

Time magazine Jul. 10, 1933
Tin Cans Full

"Last week tin plate production boomed up to 100% of capacity—highest level in its 40 years of history. But not since the trust-forming days of William Bateman Leeds, the one & only tin plate king, has there been a tin plate industry, separate and distinct. "Tin Plate" Leeds and his fabulous friends, Judge William Moore, promoter extraordinary, and Daniel Gray ("Czar") Reid, tossed their tin plate trust into T. S. Steel Corp. at a price which made the Elder John Pierpont Morgan groan. What they did keep was the tin can trust. Today most tin plate is made by steel companies and most tin plate is used by can companies. For American Can is no longer a trust but merely the biggest concern in a competitive field. Thus the present tin plate boom is in reality a tin can boom, for as every one knows tin cans are not made of tin but of sheet steel thinly coated with tin. Exports have soared with the slumping dollar. Nearly 20,000,000 lb. of oil tins were recently ordered for the Far East where after the oil is used they are freely bought & sold for homebuilding, wagon repairs and other purposes. In the U. S. can-makers' inventories are low and a large fruit & vegetable pack is expected. The Hawaiian pineapple pack is estimated at 8,000,000 cases against 5,000,000 last year. Messrs. Moore, Reid & Leeds wound up and ran their companies like small boys playing with toy trains.....

When they retired with enormous promoting profits, they carried the same methods into their glittering social life. "Tin Plate" Leeds paid his first wife $1,000,000 for a divorce. His widow managed to wed Prince Christopher of Greece and his son married and was divorced by Princess Xenia of Russia....The Leeds trust, established for luxurious Son William is said to have yielded $800,000 a year throughout the Depression."
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 23, 2006, 11:05:20 AM

There was apparently a deal between Constantine & Nancy Leeds (I don't know what all that pertains) and GDss Marie (Xenia's mother) didn't renounce her rights when she married GD George.


Glad to know my mind was not fabricating good Royal stories.  I thought I had read all this before.

Do the offspring of Helen & Nicholas have succession rights to the Greek throne?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 23, 2006, 11:17:20 AM
Well...If Greek Minny have rights to the Greek Throne, the same could be argued for the Andrew and Nicholas girls... ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 23, 2006, 11:21:38 AM
Time Feb. 10, 1930

Divorced. Onetime Princess Xenia of Russia; from William B. Leeds, heir to his late father's $120,000,000 fortune; at Huntington, L. I. Grounds: kept secret.


Time Jul. 16, 1928

William B. Leeds, tin-plate tycoon, hopped into his $75,000 speedboat, Fan Tail, with famed Actress Adele Astaire (Funny Face). Giving the crank a swift turn, he caused the gasoline seepage to burst into a fan of flame. The actress, her dress ablaze, fell to the floor. Leeds grabbed her, lugged her to the dock; then he pushed the Fan Tail into the harbor where it soon exploded and sank. On the; dock watching this performance was Mrs. William B. Leeds, onetime Princess Xenia of Greece, and Fred Astaire, brother to Adele. With their help, William B. Leeds, though burned, took Actress Astaire to a doctor for treatment, then packed her off to a Manhattan hospital, where it was said her injuries were not serious. He himself, less severely burned, went to his home in Oyster Bay and mourned the loss of the Fan Tail.

Jun 4, 1928
Whose Body?

"The Princess Xenia of Russia, second cousin once removed of the late Tsar Nicholas II, is better known in Manhattan as rich Mrs. William B. Leeds. Three months ago she brought to the U. S. as her guest a famed & mysterious young woman, "Mme. Tchaikovsky" (TIME, Feb. 20), who claims to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia, fourth and youngest daughter of Nicholas the Last....But last week the New York World published what its editors believe to be a recent letter from Mrs. Leeds to the Grand Duke Andrew. Excerpt: "I often played with Anastasia, who was about my own age, and Mme. Tchaikovsky has absolutely astounded me by recalling where we had played, what we had played and other incidents. I do not have the slightest doubt now about her identity, and I am willing to spend all the money I have to prove her claim."

Feb. 27, 1928
Comings and Goings
The New York World received a radio, last week from the cruise ship California, now in Caribbean waters. Text: "Mme. Anastasia Tchaikovsky is in America as my guest for six months on account of health. Have nothing more to say. Princess Xenia."

Thus it became a settled fact that rich Mrs. William B. Leeds, born Princess Xenia of Russia, is actually the hostess of the young woman who landed in Manhattan, last fortnight, claiming to be the youngest daughter of Tsar Nicholas II (TIME, Feb. 20). From Mrs. Leeds' cable it may be inferred that she believes the young woman's story that she was saved from being murdered with the rest of the Imperial Family by a Red soldier called Tchaikovsky whom she later married. The Soviet Government announced last week, "It would be physically impossible for any of the late Tsar's daughters to be alive," and proceeded to set forth once more the details of their execution.


Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on September 25, 2006, 08:28:35 AM


Yes, Alexandra has dynastic rights

Who was Wynkoop.  Does anyone know anything about him?  Does Alexandra Wynkoop have succession rights to the Greek Throne? 

Seems I read somewhere that she does hold succession/dynastic rights.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 25, 2006, 11:04:50 AM
Indeed...dynastic rights for a unoccupied throne...placed way under the king's decendents. Not a lot to clap about really... :(
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on September 25, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
Well at the time the deal was struck, there was a throne. I'm sure Alexandra Wynkoop doesn't currently spend her days lamenting that she's moving down the chain as CII's children start having children.  :)
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 25, 2006, 08:00:39 PM
Well at the time the deal was struck, there was a throne. I'm sure Alexandra Wynkoop doesn't currently spend her days lamenting that she's moving down the chain as CII's children start having children.  :)

Of course not!! She is too busy counting the interest on her interest, cutting Zero Coupon Bonds and shooping at the ebay stores I could never afford!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 25, 2006, 08:38:26 PM
Really ? How did you know ??? I know this is a joke too right ?  ;D
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 26, 2006, 05:18:37 AM
Really ? How did you know ??? I know this is a joke too right ?  ;D

Yes this is a joke! 

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: TampaBay on September 26, 2006, 05:19:24 AM
Really ? How did you know ??? I know this is a joke too right ?  ;D

However, I do wonder how much contact she has with her "Greek" family.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on September 26, 2006, 09:08:48 AM
Nancy certainly maintained relations with Constantine and his family

Really ? How did you know ??? I know this is a joke too right ?  ;D

However, I do wonder how much contact she has with her "Greek" family.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 26, 2006, 09:19:45 AM
Indeed...With a lot of members of different royal families. I even saw a letter she wrote... ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on September 26, 2006, 10:25:56 AM
Wow!!!   I have letters from Nancy to me ....

Indeed...With a lot of members of different royal families. I even saw a letter she wrote... ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 26, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
Dear Marlene,

That really wouldn't surprise me one bit... ;D
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 27, 2006, 07:52:44 PM
Time Feb. 10, 1930

Divorced. Onetime Princess Xenia of Russia; from William B. Leeds, heir to his late father's $120,000,000 fortune; at Huntington, L. I. Grounds: kept secret.






It would be interesting to discover how much Xenia received in the divorce settlement, if anything.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 27, 2006, 10:51:57 PM
I think enough for her live and chiild support for her daughter. Wonder if she saved her jewels from her mother & grandmother... ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Leuchtenberg on September 28, 2006, 08:24:41 PM
I think enough for her live and chiild support for her daughter. Wonder if she saved her jewels from her mother & grandmother... ???

I don't think there would have been that many.  Her mother left the bulk of her jewels in Russia which of course would have been confiscated during the Revolution.  Whatever pieces had been taken to England on what was to have only been a visit prior to World War I would be shared by both Xenia and her sister.
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: kmerov on October 22, 2006, 11:51:19 AM
I just finished his memoirs and I found them fun and interesting aswell, light reading indeed!
He does come of a bit as the young spoiled child in the family, without much real responsibility. His spiritism and "talk" with GDss Tatiana was interesting!
I wonder aswell why he died so young?
I think Prince Michael lived with his mothers family.
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 25, 2006, 12:17:41 AM
I think Prince Christopher is an often overlooked royal.  He had a really good position and perspective.

He was VERY well connected, especially among his first cousins and nieces and nephews.  He was witness to a lot of history, didn't have to actually worry about ruling, and was able to wander around and enjoy himself.  He made a lot of really interesting observations, and he was quite interested in the psychic world.  He seems to have been a caring individual, taking care of his mother in her old age.  He was one of those royals who saw the old world and the new.

However, I have several questions about him:

1.  He claims in his memoirs that his first wife was only 4 years older than him but other sites show her being 10 years older, which I think is probably right.  I wonder why he wrote this?

2.  He was only about 52 when he died, having just fathered his only child and written his memoirs.  What did he die from?  I wonder if his memoirs were written in anticipation of his life ending soon?

3.  Of course, his son, Prince Michael, was only an infant when his father died, and his mother, Princess Francoise, died in 1953 when Michael would have only been about 14 years old.  Who did Michael live with the rest of his childhood?



1. Christopher of Greece was born on August 11, 1888. Anastasia Stewart was born January 20, 1883. This makes her about 5 1/2 years older than him. It's more than 4 years and less than 10!

2. Christopher of Greece died on January 21, 1940, at the age of 51, in Athens, Greece. He reportedly died of influenza and an abcess of the lung. This sounds like a short illness to me, and no, I don't think his memoirs anticipated an early death.

3. Michael of Greece was raised by his maternal grandparents after his parents' premature deaths.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on October 30, 2006, 10:47:02 AM
According to the Times of London, Nancy Leeds's will (filed in Surrogate's Court in New York), left the bulk of her estate in trust. The income from the trust was to be divided equally during their lives between Prince Christopher and Nancy's sister. 'Minor bequests' were left to her son and daughter-in-law, as well as her niece.

I wonder if the bulk of the fortune had already been given to her son and the trust was made up of what was actually Nancy's?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2006, 11:07:51 AM
Most likely since her son was the natural heir of his father (who was the rich one I think). Nancy's will should only include her share of her husband's money, so I doubt Prince Christopher got a lot compared with her son, young Billy.  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on October 30, 2006, 03:33:50 PM
 ;D Lucien Bob has a loooong list of royal books that I've put on an online wish list. I'm getting an early Christmas present since I found the Prince Michael of Greece book on his royal relations. Not cheap, I'm afraid.  :P Thanks for the link though, I might order the catalog.  :)

I actually made a print of this portrait (from a site on JS Sargent)--that's about as close as I'm liable to get! I did find a print in an old magazine (L'Illustration) of Boldin's portrait of the Infanta Eulalia. I really like his style of portraiture.

I'm finding her more and more an interesting figure. I was digging through some of my gazillion boxes of stuff and I came across some old Royalty and Majesty magazines. It had an article on her in there--part of a series of articles on Americans who married into royalty. She seems like a really good-hearted and generous person.

I haven't really been able to get a handle on whether Christopher married her predominantly for the money (though he obviously cared about her, based on his memoirs) or whether it was a true love-match.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2006, 06:17:42 PM
I tend to think it was a love match. Nancy was very pretty, rich and generous. What is there not to love ?  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on October 30, 2006, 06:50:53 PM
Nancy Leeds died in 1923 and Michael was born in 1939. His mother was Prince Christopher's second wife Princess Francoise.

Allan Raymond  

I just would like to clarify. Who is prince Michael of Greece mother? Nancy Leeds?  Thank you

Amelia
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on October 30, 2006, 06:54:01 PM
Eric

My information shows Nancy was first married to George Worthington.

Allan Raymond


Really...Chris didn't know ? Who was the first then ? She was always refffered to as Mrs. Leeds.  ???
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2006, 07:22:14 PM
Allan,

You mean she was married three times ?


Eric
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on October 30, 2006, 08:35:34 PM
I tend to think it was a love match. Nancy was very pretty, rich and generous. What is there not to love ?  ???

There's lots to love--that doesn't mean he did love her. If qualities were the sole decider than Bertie would've been a lot more 'in love' with Alexandra for instance.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on October 30, 2006, 08:38:11 PM
Eric

My information shows Nancy was first married to George Worthington.

Allan Raymond


Really...Chris didn't know ? Who was the first then ? She was always refffered to as Mrs. Leeds.  ???

Really? Her Times obit didn't mention her first marriage. Was she very young and was it rather 'hushed up'?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: ashdean on October 31, 2006, 02:49:20 AM
Sothebys are selling on November 15th in London the amazing portrait of Nancy by Boldini.She wears the famous million dollar string of pearls which got her into trouble with the tax authorities in the USA & the diamond & pearl tiara made by Cartier in a slight adaptation of the Vladimir circles tiara.In the sale catalogue it mentions Nancy's three marriages...
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2006, 04:24:38 AM
Well...I think The Greek Royal Family was very accomdating to her (due to her money) unlike the British one towards the also twice married Wallis Simpson.  :P
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on October 31, 2006, 07:22:33 AM
Nancy Leeds married

1.  1894 to George Worthington (died 1950) divorced 1899

2.  1900 to William Bateman Leeds (died 1908)

3.  1920 to Prince Christopher

Source GHdA  Band 133

Allan Raymond

Eric

My information shows Nancy was first married to George Worthington.

Allan Raymond


Really...Chris didn't know ? Who was the first then ? She was always refffered to as Mrs. Leeds.  ???

Really? Her Times obit didn't mention her first marriage. Was she very young and was it rather 'hushed up'?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on November 02, 2006, 11:25:52 AM
The only hushing up part was by Nancy (who also lobbed a few years off her own age.)  She tried to claim that she was born in 1883, which would have made her 11 at the time of her marriage to Worthington.



Eric

My information shows Nancy was first married to George Worthington.

Allan Raymond


Really...Chris didn't know ? Who was the first then ? She was always refffered to as Mrs. Leeds.  ???

Really? Her Times obit didn't mention her first marriage. Was she very young and was it rather 'hushed up'?
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 02, 2006, 08:17:31 PM
Oh dear ! A child bride no less...But I guess she could be forgiven in this case (marrying a royal). Unlike Infante Luis of Bourbon-Orleans (Ali's younger brother)'s marrage to a much older lady... :P
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on November 03, 2006, 06:59:12 PM
Alain Giraud one of the authors of L'ALLEMAGNE DYNASTIQUE has mentioned that meticulous research had established Nancy Leeds year of birth as 1878.

This would mean she married George Worthington at the young age of 16.

Allan Raymond

The only hushing up part was by Nancy (who also lobbed a few years off her own age.)  She tried to claim that she was born in 1883, which would have made her 11 at the time of her marriage to Worthington.

Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 03, 2006, 10:18:26 PM
Then she was REALLY a child bride !  :o
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Marlene on November 06, 2006, 08:54:56 AM

Yes, I am aware of this.

Alain Giraud one of the authors of L'ALLEMAGNE DYNASTIQUE has mentioned that meticulous research had established Nancy Leeds year of birth as 1878.

This would mean she married George Worthington at the young age of 16.

Allan Raymond

The only hushing up part was by Nancy (who also lobbed a few years off her own age.)  She tried to claim that she was born in 1883, which would have made her 11 at the time of her marriage to Worthington.


Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2006, 09:35:43 PM
Nancy seemed to have a very colourful life.  ;)
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: Duke_of_Lynnwood on November 19, 2006, 04:20:34 AM
I'm really wondering what is the fascination for employing Greeks to become heads of state? I guess it kind of stems from denmark, denmark gave Norway a King and his uncle became the King of Greece and they tried to get Christopher to be King of Portugal. Where do the Glucksburgs stop?

but of course Greece tried for Alfred first and had Otto of Bavaria.

and the mountbattens wow they get around.
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 19, 2006, 12:49:04 PM
A couple of points here:

1. I was incorrect about Princess Anastasia's year of birth. She was apparently a lady who lied about her age. C'est le vie.

2.Prince Christopher was not of Mountbatten descent. His mother was Grand Duchess Olga Constantinova. His brother Andreas (Andrew) married Alice Mountbatten.

3. The reason for the popularity of Greek royals may have something to do with their being very royal, very intelligent, and for most of them, very good looking.
Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: allanraymond on November 22, 2006, 06:25:01 PM
A while ago I was trying to establish the year of birth of  Nancy Leeds and finally came up with the following information which in part was a response to my query posted on another "Royalty Forum".

There are inconsistencies in various sources regarding the year of birth of Nancy. Alain Giraud one of the authors of L'ALLEMAGNE DYNASTIQUE posted a response to royaute2 on 31 Aug 2004 that meticulous research had established her year of birth as 1878. In Prince Christopher's book "Memoirs of H.R.H Prince Christopher of Greece" page 152 he mentions his wife Nancy was "exactly fours years then I", which would suggest her year of birth was 1884.

Allan Raymond

A couple of points here:

1. I was incorrect about Princess Anastasia's year of birth. She was apparently a lady who lied about her age. C'est le vie.

Title: Re: King Christopher of Portugal ?!?!
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 23, 2006, 11:22:02 PM
I think that 1878 birth date works very well considering that it would have her getting married for the first time at 16. With the later birth years, it has us going places we don't want to go. For example, if we use Prince Christo's year, this would have made her a 10 year old bride the first time. Yuck!
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: Eurohistory on January 21, 2007, 06:47:02 AM
And was a habitual liar about her age...I have seen her birthdate listed from 1872-18884 -– take your pic.

The son of her last husband did not know she had been married to Mr. Worthington...but we agree that she was more than 4 years older than Prince Christopher of Greece.  After looking at the wedding photos in great detail, there is just no way that Nancy Leeds was only 36 at the time she married 32 year old Christopher.

Arturo Beéche
Title: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: Janet_W. on September 26, 2007, 06:05:48 PM
Undoubtedly this has been addressed, but in checking all topics under the Greek Royal Family I haven't yet found it.

From what I've read, Prince Christopher ("Christo") of Greece and Denmark courted and was briefly engaged to Princess Alexandra, the daughter of Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife, in 1910. But when Louise and her husband learned of the engagement, they promptly terminated it.

My question: Why did Alexandra's parents not approve of the engagement? Prince Christopher, to my knowledge, was not an objectiable young man. And as we know, engagements between royal cousins had happened before, and would happen again.

Title: Re: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: royaltybuff on September 26, 2007, 06:35:24 PM
I read somewhere that Princess Victoria arranged the match between her cousin (Prince Christopher) and her niece, Alexandra. I don't believe Alexandra's parents were informed about the match and when they found out they refused to let Alexandra marry Christopher. I think that like Princess Charlotte of Prussia, Princess Victoria of Wales liked to meddle in other people's business and she caused grief on more than one occasion.
Title: Re: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: Janet_W. on September 26, 2007, 08:31:40 PM
Yes, I had read that one of the spinster aunts--and right away I suspected Victoria--had encouraged the match. But if Christo and Alexandra were happy in each other's company, why would the match be discouraged? Current parents would say, "You're too young" (as in not 18 or 21) or "You need to wait until after you've graduated and have a job." But these considerations were not issues amongst royalty. So I have to wonder why Alexandra's parents immediately broke things up . . . did they have someone else in mind for Alexandra, or did they not like Christo, or did they simply not want to relinquish her? Or maybe they just didn't want their daughter to be led into a match that had been encouraged by someone else. . . which I see as more of a control issue than regard for the feelings and future of one's daughter.

Title: Re: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: royaltybuff on September 26, 2007, 09:18:17 PM
I think it was the fact that the relationship was encouraged by Princess Victoria and the engagement had taken place without Alexandra's parents knowledge or consent. Alexandra eventually married another of her mother's cousins, Arthur Connaught - so I don't really know if they had problem with Christo.
Title: Re: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: Marlene on October 11, 2007, 03:11:50 PM
Janet, I wrote about it in my article on Princess Arthur - also Christopher discusses it in his memoirs. 

Christopher was Louise's first cousin, and one with a reputation (and little money).  The two Fife girls were raised largely away from court, were rather immature, and shy.  The Duke of Fife saw Prince Christopher as a golddigger - but in fairness to Christopher, he ws got caught into a trap set by Princess Victoria, who insisted that Alix would marry him.  She said nothing to her sister, Louise, about this -- and encouraged  Christopher to ask Alix to marry him, even though Alix did not have a clue about life.

Undoubtedly this has been addressed, but in checking all topics under the Greek Royal Family I haven't yet found it.

From what I've read, Prince Christopher ("Christo") of Greece and Denmark courted and was briefly engaged to Princess Alexandra, the daughter of Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife, in 1910. But when Louise and her husband learned of the engagement, they promptly terminated it.

My question: Why did Alexandra's parents not approve of the engagement? Prince Christopher, to my knowledge, was not an objectiable young man. And as we know, engagements between royal cousins had happened before, and would happen again.


Title: Re: "Christo" and Alexandra
Post by: Prince_Christopher on October 25, 2007, 08:26:45 PM
The Fifes may also have been against a foreign match for their daughter, especially one that would have sent her to a less than stable country such as Greece.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on December 21, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
Wedding of Christophe and Françoise d'Orléans :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/fcristo.jpg)

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
They looked well matched.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: allanraymond on January 02, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Why do they look well matched?

Allan Raymond
They looked well matched.
Title: Re: Nancy Leeds, Princess Christopher of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on January 02, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
I've just come across an extract from the book Cleveland: The Making of a City (William Ganson Rose).

It mentions Nonnie May Stewart married George W. Worthington when she was eighteen years it didn't say when they married.

I'm also intrigued regarding her first names.  Cleveland: The Making of a City quotes  Nonnie May, other sources quote None May, others Nancy May and yet others Anastatia.

I would be interested to know her correct first names.

Allan Raymond

My information shows Nancy was first married to George Worthington.

Allan Raymond



Really? Her Times obit didn't mention her first marriage. Was she very young and was it rather 'hushed up'?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
it is interesting information. Was Nancy the second wife ?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: allanraymond on January 03, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
No idea.

However Nancy Leeds must have been some woman. her second husband William Bateman Leeds paid his first wife $1,000,000 to obtain a divorce so that he could marry Nancy. This sum was believed to be the largest sum ever paid in the Unitest States for obtaining a divorce.

Allan Raymond

it is interesting information. Was Nancy the second wife ?
Title: Re: HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece
Post by: allanraymond on January 03, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
The official England Wales death index records her death as Anastasie (Princess Christopher Of Greece).

Allan Raymond

Nancy Leeds was not styled Princess Christopher.  She was created a Princess in her own right, as HRH Princess Anastasia -- well, when your millions help restore the monarchy, the least the king could do was create Nancy a princess.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on January 15, 2010, 12:11:32 PM
Two others pictures of the wedding of Christophe and Françoise :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/xayv89.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/christofrancoise.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
Nice photos. The upper with Sophie in her "habit"...
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on January 15, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
The grey mourning she always wore.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 10:59:14 AM
I think she designed it, as her sister-in-law's mourning dress was white (like Queen Olga's).
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on January 16, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
Which sister-in-law?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 04:38:12 PM
Elena, Princess Nicholas of Greece.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 16, 2010, 05:29:59 PM
Ah, I see. Thank you. I wasn't sure which one as none of her Greek sisters-in-law were widowed in Sophie's lifetime save Princess Marie (Grand Duchess George). I thought perhaps it was she you referenced.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2010, 07:33:18 PM
Princess George & Princess Andrew weren't widowed at that point.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 16, 2010, 11:56:12 PM
Yes, that's what I said. Only Marie was widowed in Sophie's lifetime. That's why I thought perhaps you were referring to her when comparing the widow's weeds. So Princess Nicholas wore white ala Queen Olga?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 17, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
Yes. as she appeared at the Florence wedding of Irene Aosta and baptism of Princess Sofie (Queen Sofia of Spain) of Greece.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
Christopher and first wife, Nancy

(http://i39.tinypic.com/oia9nd.jpg)

Marrying Isabelle F


(http://i42.tinypic.com/zwzrjt.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 27, 2010, 05:40:47 PM
Lovely photos ! I wonder who the couple sitting on the corner during the wedding. They look like Coburgs or Orleans...
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2010, 10:13:46 PM
The bride's parents?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Svetabel on April 28, 2010, 06:16:04 AM
The bride's parents?

Exactly ; )
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 28, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Thanks. The photo is quite rare...especially from that angle. Were her brother & sister at the wedding too ? I never saw a group photo of this event.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2010, 06:28:08 PM
Grab some of the French magazines of the time--they covered the wedding pretty well and had many such photos.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 28, 2010, 06:32:17 PM
Not too easy to get these days. Old Pont are good sources.
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Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2010, 08:00:16 PM
Good things come to those who wait.  :)  There were numerous illustrated magazines of the day--some might be more unknown then others depending on when they ceased publication. I just stalk internet sites waiting--I've gone through many of the English languages titles and am starting on the foreign ones.  :)  There was one good Belgian magazine that published for a couple decades but it's very hard to find. Still, it was a treasure trove of photos of BeNeLux and French royals--not so much the British.
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Post by: José on April 30, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
Is that the future George VI next to the Duke and Duchess of Chartres ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 30, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
I don't think it was Bertie, but the age does fit the time.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on July 21, 2010, 01:21:39 PM
Princess Françoise, 1930 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/fra1930.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 25, 2010, 06:55:05 AM
Princess Françoise, 1930 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Greeck%20royalty/fra1930.jpg)

She wears the turqouise parure Christopher inherited from his mother...alas after their deaths during Prince Michaels minority it had be sold.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 25, 2010, 07:17:02 AM
Sad...I wonder why Prince Michael never included this piece in his books on royal jewelry ?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 25, 2010, 10:26:34 AM
Hi,

Good question...
Those turquoises are an impressive collection of jewelry.  And, turquoise isn't that prominent in jewelry among royals;  so this parure would be a good one to include!!

Larry
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Post by: KarlandZita on July 25, 2010, 11:06:43 AM
Sad...I wonder why Prince Michael never included this piece in his books on royal jewelry ?

Sorry eric, but if you refer to the book of Prince Michel of Greece on " the jewels of the Tsars", you're wrong because it does mention the piece with turquoise and diamonds from his mother, clasping a photo of Francoise wearing it. T his is exactly in the last chapter "after 1917" and deals with what have become the most jewels of the Romanovs. On the parure of turquoise described on page 162, he writes "These jewels are an exact reproduction of a necklace of stones that had belonged to the same Russian Imperial treasure, and shown in the catalog Fersman. An exact replica had been made for Grand Duchess Olga of Russia, Queen of Greece, who bequeathed to her son Christopher. "
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 25, 2010, 01:47:58 PM
No an earlier book "Crown Jewels of Europe", he had the Orleans saphhire parure but little on the Greek ones.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 25, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
Sad...I wonder why Prince Michael never included this piece in his books on royal jewelry ?

Sorry eric, but if you refer to the book of Prince Michel of Greece on " the jewels of the Tsars", you're wrong because it does mention the piece with turquoise and diamonds from his mother, clasping a photo of Francoise wearing it. T his is exactly in the last chapter "after 1917" and deals with what have become the most jewels of the Romanovs. On the parure of turquoise described on page 162, he writes "These jewels are an exact reproduction of a necklace of stones that had belonged to the same Russian Imperial treasure, and shown in the catalog Fersman. An exact replica had been made for Grand Duchess Olga of Russia, Queen of Greece, who bequeathed to her son Christopher. "
THANKYOU  Karlandzita
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Post by: ashdean on July 25, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
Hi,

Good question...
Those turquoises are an impressive collection of jewelry.  And, turquoise isn't that prominent in jewelry among royals;  so this parure would be a good one to include!!

Larry
Actually in the late Victorian period turquoise became very popular amongst royalty.Queen Victoria had much earlier pestered the English ambassador's wife in St Petersburg to find her fine stones to have a parure created in London and the noble families of Londonderry,Craven,Ancaster and Buccleuch amongst others had items in their jewel caskets.While May of Teck received a tiara and complete set from her parents in 1893 on her marriage.. On the continent the Crown Princess Stephanie of Austria and her sister in law Marie Valerie wore splendid parures with tiaras.The famous Daisy Princess of Pless's blonde good looks were enhanced by the tiara and complete suite given her as a wedding present by her husband...and Faberge created an especially lovely tiara and ornaments for the new Empress Alexandra in 1894...while at the time of her wedding in 1908the Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna the younger wore the turquoise tiara nd suite inherited from her mother in 1891.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 25, 2010, 09:09:45 PM
Turquoise is much of a Summer colour and looked great in that season. Was it a cheap stone is it is today ?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Vecchiolarry on July 25, 2010, 09:47:08 PM
Hi Ashdean,

Thanks for the splendid update on turquoises and royalty.
I guess I've never seen that many photos of turquoise jewelry worn by the royal ladies.

I always relate turquoise with Merle Oberon, especially in Mexico, when she lived there.
And Lana Turner wore turquoise and diamonds in one of her movies.

Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 26, 2010, 12:11:50 AM
The emeralds in a parure of Empress Marie Louise of France was replaced  by Turquoise by Majorie Merriweather Post. I think it is now in a museum.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 26, 2010, 03:20:57 AM
The emeralds in a parure of Empress Marie Louise of France was replaced  by Turquoise by Majorie Merriweather Post. I think it is now in a museum.
The tiara only was altered and is in the Smithsonian Institute,Washington DC the giift (along with so many other wonderous historic gems) of Marjorie Merriweather Post (1887-1973).
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 26, 2010, 03:23:40 AM
Turquoise is much of a Summer colour and looked great in that season. Was it a cheap stone is it is today ?
High qualiity turquoise was never cheap and is certainly not cheap today.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 26, 2010, 03:52:44 AM
Hi Ashdean,

Thanks for the splendid update on turquoises and royalty.
I guess I've never seen that many photos of turquoise jewelry worn by the royal ladies.

I always relate turquoise with Merle Oberon, especially in Mexico, when she lived there.
And Lana Turner wore turquoise and diamonds in one of her movies.

Larry
As you say both the good looks Merle Oberon a dusky beauty and the blonde Lana Turner (and Doris Day in Pillow Talk) was ehanced by the stone.
Merle Oberons splendid parure was reset at least once and worn (as were many of her other splendid gems)by her in the movie "Hotel".In recent years several members of the british royal family have been seen wearing splendid turquoise parures.The late Princess Margaret wore the magnificent tiara and suite of pale persian stones and diamonds given to her mother as a wedding present in 1923 by George V...while the Duchess of Gloucester wears the slightly modified tiaraand suite that originally was given to Queen Mary by her parents.Princess Alexandra wears turquoise in her famous interchangeable necklace and tiara on gala occasions.

I
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 26, 2010, 07:29:28 AM
I think the Princess Margaret one was the one best suited her.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Hi Ashdean,

Thanks for the splendid update on turquoises and royalty.
I guess I've never seen that many photos of turquoise jewelry worn by the royal ladies.

I always relate turquoise with Merle Oberon, especially in Mexico, when she lived there.
And Lana Turner wore turquoise and diamonds in one of her movies.

Larry
while the Duchess of Gloucester wears the slightly modified tiaraand suite that originally was given to Queen Mary by her parents.Princess Alexandra wears turquoise in her famous interchangeable necklace and tiara on gala occasions.

I

In the sticky topic of Windsor Jewels in the Windsor section, you can see the parure.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 26, 2010, 11:50:58 AM
Yes...the discussion also touches the subject on the Greek Royal Jewels too since they used to belong to Queen Olga.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: ashdean on July 29, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
The emeralds in a parure of Empress Marie Louise of France was replaced  by Turquoise by Majorie Merriweather Post. I think it is now in a museum.
The emeralds were removed by Van Cleef et Arpels who sold the tiara with the turquoise replacement already in situ to Mrs Post.
Mrs Post had a complete parure made to compliment the necklace in its new form.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on July 29, 2010, 01:07:50 PM
Yes...the discussion also touches the subject on the Greek Royal Jewels too since they used to belong to Queen Olga.

Not the Queen Mary/Gloucester ones. Besides, it wasn't an off-topic reminder, just information on where to go to see the one referenced.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on July 29, 2010, 01:32:21 PM
Françoise and Christophe with Prince Andrew of Greece :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/515262andrecristofrancoise.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=515262andrecristofrancoise.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 29, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Christopher looked older than Andrew here ?  :o
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on October 13, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
Françoise :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/945712francesca.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=945712francesca.jpg)
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Post by: KarlandZita on October 17, 2010, 11:08:26 AM
Françoise with her mother Isabelle de Guise and her brother Henri d'Orléans :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/480568fgo.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=480568fgo.jpg)

Françoise, her mother Isabelle and her sister-in-law Isabelle d'Orléans-Bragance, redoing their makeup :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/375729isa2francoise.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=375729isa2francoise.jpg)

Pictures from the wonderful album of the late Count of Paris.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on October 24, 2010, 07:02:34 AM
Françoise with her son Michel and her brother Henri, Count of Paris, after the war :

(http://img10.hostingpics.net/pics/782159henrimichelfrancoise.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=782159henrimichelfrancoise.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 24, 2010, 12:54:12 PM
Looks more like Michel's confirmation with the cross and the priest.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2010, 02:13:22 PM
Francoise at his brother Henri`s wedding

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1598/137d.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/137d.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2010, 03:21:25 PM
She was always very well dressed.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on November 07, 2010, 07:26:10 AM
She was always very well dressed.

She was not a French Princess for nothing...
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
Indeed. I like the head scarf and the beads she was wearing. Too bad we don't get to see the whole outfit.  :(
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on November 14, 2010, 08:34:58 AM
Looks more like Michel's confirmation with the cross and the priest.

Correct. This is indeed the first communion of Prince Michael of Greece in Malaga. Prince Michel who wrote the text of "My family album" by the Count of Paris, describes the picture thus: "The Count of Paris has escaped from Pamplona to come to Malaga, where his sister Princess Christopher of Greece, was temporarily installed. He attended the first communion of his nephew, who was held at the Augustinian convent.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
That is interesting, I thought Prince Michael was Greek Orthodox not Roman Catholic.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 19, 2010, 11:06:37 PM
 Francoise never converted to Orthodoxy and she raised her son RC since her husband died when Michael was a baby.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 08:15:19 AM
That is interesting for a Greek Prince to be Catholic. Did her son married in the Catholic faith too ? I am pretty sure he was married in Athens. His daughter Olga was recently married in the Greek Orthodox faith.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on January 09, 2011, 07:42:17 AM
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/5237302507.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5237302507.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 09, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Christopher and Nancy

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9580/10267615a.jpg) (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/10267615a.jpg/)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2011, 01:42:34 PM
Christopher lost his hair early.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on May 19, 2012, 08:24:52 AM
Christopher and Françoise on their wedding's day :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/521486christofranaoise.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=521486christofranaoise.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2012, 12:47:48 PM
I wonder how their marriage went. Not too much details known.
Title: Re: HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece
Post by: Clemence on November 10, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Nancy Leeds was not styled Princess Christopher.  She was created a Princess in her own right, as HRH Princess Anastasia -- well, when your millions help restore the monarchy, the least the king could do was create Nancy a princess.

Was something like this done for any other by the Greek Royal Family?
Title: Re: HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece
Post by: grandduchessella on November 10, 2012, 11:32:58 AM
Nancy Leeds was not styled Princess Christopher.  She was created a Princess in her own right, as HRH Princess Anastasia -- well, when your millions help restore the monarchy, the least the king could do was create Nancy a princess.

Was something like this done for any other by the Greek Royal Family?

King Alexander's wife, Aspasia Manos, was created by decree, 10 September 1922, as "Princess of Greece and Denmark" and the style of Royal Highness and her marriage was recognized. This also extended the privilege to their daughter Alexandra.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 10, 2012, 02:43:03 PM
could she be Princess of Denmark without an agreement with the King of Denmark ?
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Marc on November 11, 2012, 07:00:03 AM
I think she was only created Princess of Greece,not Denmark,but I am not sure...
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on November 11, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
I think she was only created Princess of Greece,not Denmark,but I am not sure...

I've seen it as both ways and also her as just Greece but Alexandra as Greece and Denmark. I'm sure there are people who are more knowledgeable than myself who can answer the question. I believe Marlene has stated her title was Princess Alexander, Princess of Greece. Actually, looking at a picture of her tombstone--it just says Princess of Greece so I guess that's that.

To answer Clemence's original question though--yes, it had been done for someone other than Nancy, whether or not Aspasia was a Princess of Greece or of Denmark as well.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2012, 05:25:14 PM
Don't think she was a princess of Denmark, although her daughter Alexandra might be eligible. The Princesses of Greece were issued Danish passparts when they were exiled from Greece. Prince Philip was also a Prince of Greece & Denmark just like his sisters.

I agree her title should be Princess Alexander of Greece, since she was not of equal dignity as her husband like Princess Michael of Kent.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Iskenderbey on November 15, 2012, 03:24:47 PM
That is interesting for a Greek Prince to be Catholic. Did her son married in the Catholic faith too ? I am pretty sure he was married in Athens. His daughter Olga was recently married in the Greek Orthodox faith.

From my understanding, Prince Michael was baptised G.O., raised R.C., but practiced Greek Orthodoxy again when he resumed his duties as a Greek Prince, around the time that he went for military service in Greece, around 18 or so years of age.  He was married in the Greek Orthodox Church. 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 15, 2012, 08:39:40 PM
Yes.l He is of the Greek Faith.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on December 15, 2012, 08:12:53 AM
Christophe and his second wife Françoise :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/711656cristofrancesca.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=711656cristofrancesca.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
I think he looks older because of his bald head and glasses.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on March 09, 2013, 07:57:42 AM
Nancy Leeds :

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/135457mrswillleeds.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=135457mrswillleeds.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 10, 2013, 01:16:26 AM
Haven't seen that tiara before.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: grandduchessella on April 08, 2013, 05:00:36 PM
In addition to his youthful romance with Princess Alexandra of Fife, Christopher also had a romantic interest in the ill-fated Grand Duchess Olga:

"Olga, as the eldest daughter, attracted the most attention. The first man to express interest in her as a possible bride was her father’s first cousin Prince Christopher of Greece. In 1914, while staying with his sister Grand Duchess Marie Georgievna and her husband Grand Duke George Mikhailovich at their Crimean estate, Harax, he attended a reception at which the eighteen-year-old Olga was also present. After Olga had returned to Livadia, the Prince, recalled Baroness Agnes de Stoeckl, his sister’s Lady-in-Waiting, “was suddenly overcome with a passionate desire” to propose to the Emperor’s daughter. "He told me," wrote the Baroness, "that he greatly admired the Grand Duchess Olga...and asked me if I thought he had any chance. To me this was nothing very new, as I was accustomed to his short-lived enthusiasms, but this time I decided it would be a very good idea. After endless discussion, we decided to speak to his sister, the Grand Duchess George, and she suggested, 'Why not try?' So, having been given a stiff whisky and soda, he started for Livadia that afternoon. Whilst he was away, we three, the Grand Duchess, Zoia [the Baroness's daughter] and I, walked about aimlessly. We worked ourselves into a perfect fever of excitement. When we heard the wheels of the car returning we nearly broke our necks trying to get to the door. I slid down the staircase in my haste but neither I nor anyone else took the least notice of that. He looked pale but dignified. We imagined he would have returned triumphant with a ring on his finger. Pushing him into the small writing room, we yelled at him, 'Well?' He slumped into a chair, and with a bewildered expression said, 'I don't know.' 'What do you mean, you fool, you don't know?' 'Well, I don't.' Then, when we had ceased insulting him, he told us that the Emperor had been most kind but said firmly, 'Olga is too young to think of such a thing as marriage yet.'" King and Wilson, The Romanov Children also Page 127, "My Dear Marquis," By Baroness Agnes de Stoeckl, London, John Murray, 1952

Perhaps this was just to let Christopher down easily as Olga wasn't considered too young for the ongoing consideration of Carol of Roumania.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 08, 2013, 11:52:48 PM
The Empress was not fond of her husband's cousins and most likely would vetoed the match. Also Olga was already in love with some of the officers according to her diary.
Title: Re: Prince Christopher & his wives, Nancy Leeds & Francoise of Orleans
Post by: KarlandZita on August 17, 2013, 07:40:09 AM
The wedding in 1928 :

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