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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) => Topic started by: Russka Princess on November 17, 2011, 04:58:01 PM

Title: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on November 17, 2011, 04:58:01 PM
so, i wanted to reply in the old topic, but i saw there was nowhere the to reply so i started a new one. Sorry  if it was wrong.

here i have found a another picture about the Hesse-Family with Serge and Louis.

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/48_335.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 06, 2011, 06:26:32 PM
I have a question, not sure if this is the right place for it, but...
When the Hesses visited Queen Victoria in England, what mode of transportation did they take? Of course some sort of boat, but did they have a private ship/yacht? Any info would be apreciated!

Russka Princess, that's a very interesting photo. 1888 or '89, likely. I'm guessing that it's Ella sitting in the light-colored dress, and Victoria in the darker gown, with one of Victoria's children. And that would be Alix in the white dress by her father. Is that Irene sitting on the ground with Sergei?
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Helen on December 07, 2011, 01:56:25 AM
I have the impression that they crossed The Channel or North Sea on common international ferries. In her letters to her brother and her friend Toni, Princess Alix mentioned several harbours of departure -  Vlissingen or Hook of Holland in the Netherlands or Oostende in Belgium - where international ferries to England departed from, and stil depart, in the cases of Hook of Holland and Oostende .  

Grand Duke Ludwig IV and Princess Alix certainly crossed the waters by 'ferry' when they travelled to Malta in 1890.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 07, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
That's interesting that they used public transportation. Was there even a special room or something of the sort for the royals? Surely they did not travel incognito, so some people might have recognized them and "bombarded" them, so to speak, with attention, it seems. Or maybe it was just that the Hesses were much less prominent royalty despite their connection with "the grandmother of Europe" and thus could travel publicly...
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Paul on December 07, 2011, 11:50:22 PM
They probably had fewer problems w/ "bombardment" than we suspect. The Duke of Windsor once said that, before modern media, it was possible for even 'first line' royals to walk about in public w/ only a detective in tow. Most people didn't really recognise them very often. Television and photo-based tabloids were still about a century away from the Hesse siblings.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 08, 2011, 01:16:30 AM
It was quite usual then for royalty to travel incognito, often using one of their lesser titles. Queen Victoria used to stay in Nice as the Countess of Balmoral (no such title in fact), and Edward VII when Prince of Wales as the Earl of Chester. There is an interesting tale that the Kaiser once stayed in Llanwyrtydd Wells. a very small place in deepest Wales, as Prince Munster.

Ann
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 08, 2011, 10:43:54 AM
Fasctinating...I knew that there wasn't much press back then, merely newspapers and a few magazines, but one would think that Queen Victoria, certainly, would have been recognized by some.
So would the Hesses have traveled under "The Grand Duke of Hesse..." and "Princess...of Hesse...", or one of those lesser titles?

And another completely of-subject question, but did Irene have a coming-out ball in 1882 when she turned 16? I know that Victoria and Elizabeth/Ella came out in 1881, when they were 18 & 17, (later because of mourning??) but I've never read a mention of Irene's debut...
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Kalafrana on December 08, 2011, 10:51:39 AM
Apparently, some royalties, while incognito, took it amiss if they weren't recognised (Edward VII was one such!).

I think the usual thing was to use a lesser title. Princess Marie Louise regards that while married to Aribert of Anhalt, she went to North Africa for her health, accompanied by her brother Albert of Schleswig-Holstein. She made use of one of Aribert's lesser titles (I can't remember what it was), while Albert used one of his and went as Count Gravenstein. Just in case people got the wrong idea, Marie Louise made it clear that she was Countess X nee Gravenstein!

Now what was the protocol if one incognito royal bumped into another?

Ann
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 18, 2012, 02:22:34 PM
I found this painting and am wondering if anyone knows anything about it. Alix, GD Ludwig, Alice, Ernest and...Ella? Victoria? Irene was younger when Alix was that age.
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9660/1877cahessefamily.jpg)
Seems to almost be a sort of complation of photo poses as there is a photo of Alix and her father in that position.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on January 20, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
The painting has been discussed before on the forums--which thread(s) I'm not exactly sure. The painting was done by von Angeli. Victoria was left out as she was considered 'too big' for the construction of the painting. Ella's likeness was found to be 'just like'. I think the image was finished and readied for Queen Vicitoria after Alice's death--it was painting very close to her passing. Photographs, such as the one with Alix and Ludwig, were made from the sittings. Individual portraits of Alice and Ernie were also done from these sittings.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on January 20, 2012, 11:51:55 AM
From other threads:

Von Angeli arrived in the spring of 1878 to work on the painting. He took a good number of photographs. Most of the work was completed before the Grand Duchess died that year. Alice wrote several letters to Queen Victoria detailing the sitting and why they picked the chilren they died--Victoria being 'too big' for instance though being the eldest she should have been in, she would have been 'too preponderant. Also that von Angeli was quite 'quite lost in admiration of Aliky and May'.

Yes, she wrote to QV about it. She was very pleased with how it was coming along. Victoria was left out because it was felt she was 'too big' and would throw the composition off. I don't know why Irene & May weren't included. Alice wrote that von Angeli thought Alix and May an adorable little pair. Most of the work was done before the illness his the family--all the preliminary sketches and photographs that were taken of the family during the sittings--but von Angeli apparently relied a bit on a prior work he'd done on Alice to finish her in the group portrait. When the GD brought his sorrowing family to visit QV in Feb 1879, he brought the now-finished portrait with him. QV was very pleased with it.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on January 20, 2012, 05:43:37 PM
Thank you for the info! I would have searched but as I couldn't see a signature, (in fact didn't think to look for one,) I wouldn't have known what to search by.
That is quite a puzzle why Irene and May were not included. Victoria being to "big", she wasn't plump, so that doesn't make sense.
It is interesting that Ella's hair was put up when she was only 14.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: CountessKate on January 21, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
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It is interesting that Ella's hair was put up when she was only 14.

She seemed to have an interim hair arrangement which was not quite adult, but not quite that of a girl, either.  In the 1870s women would normally have their hair pulled up so their necks at the back were bare (as in Princess Alice's in the painting).  Victorians were extremely sensitive about the rituals of age and disapproved of girls whose figures had changed, having skirts which were too short, and presumably, hair which was too 'childish'.  It marked that she was expected to behave in a more adult way, and perhaps join in a few more adult activities, such as more formal dinners; but not that she was in any way 'out' in society or ready for marriage. 
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on January 21, 2012, 08:32:17 PM
Thank you for the info! I would have searched but as I couldn't see a signature, (in fact didn't think to look for one,) I wouldn't have known what to search by.
That is quite a puzzle why Irene and May were not included. Victoria being to "big", she wasn't plump, so that doesn't make sense.
It is interesting that Ella's hair was put up when she was only 14.

I think it was Victoria's height maybe that made her too big and would throw the composition off.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on February 22, 2012, 11:37:30 AM
 
im sure ill drive to Darmstadt again and than ill make few pics of the city and of the Mathildenhöhe ;)

and i´ll share it here ;)

i love this Citys Darmstadt & Sankt Petersburg!!  



(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Peterhof-fountain-Sankt-Petersburg-Russia.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/PICT0226.jpg)


(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/petersburg3_de322492.jpg)


(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/Darmstadt-Rosenhoehe-Rosendom.jpg)

Here you can look my Pics of the Romanovs,Hesse Family, Battenberg family


http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on May 28, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Here i have two beautifull Pictures of Irene and Alix

i think they are rare.. sorry if not...

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/579260_233582170090901_100003173597362_421078_2131192022_n.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/579260_233582166757568_299593750_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Jen_94 on May 28, 2012, 04:17:44 PM
I've seen those before, but thats because I found them on a website :) They're very nice ones! I like them.

Here is another one I like of a young Alix:
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg52/scaled.php?server=52&filename=alix1878.jpg&res=landing)

And there are more of the Hesse family right here for those who have not seen them: http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/search?type=All&search=alix%20of%20hesse (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/search?type=All&search=alix%20of%20hesse)
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: grandduchessella on May 29, 2012, 02:54:07 PM

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/579260_233582170090901_100003173597362_421078_2131192022_n.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t154/rorykiss/579260_233582166757568_299593750_n.jpg)

These were taken when they were in England acting as bridesmaids for their Aunt Beatrice and their cousin Henry of Battenberg in 1885. These were their bridesmaid's dresses.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Olga Maria on June 13, 2012, 02:45:51 AM
Grand Duke of Hesse and his children, 1878 (from the Royal Collection)
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9195/hessefamily20.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/hessefamily20.jpg/)

Victoria and Alix with their grandmother Queen Victoria and relatives, 1893 (from the Royal Collection)
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2001/hessefamily44.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/hessefamily44.jpg/)
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Jen_94 on June 13, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
I love these photos. Thank you for posting!
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2012, 07:44:59 AM
Nice photos of Alix still with her hair down. I think that was among the first encounters with her cousins The Edinburghs.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: gillian on January 08, 2014, 02:47:56 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2cyh2lg.jpg)

Slightly different pose of a well known picture.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Hikari on January 08, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
I've never seen this photo in such a good quality! Thank you very much for sharing gillian!
Title: Picture
Post by: Queen_Missy on June 17, 2015, 09:09:49 AM
Does anyone have a date for this picture?
Thanks http://40.media.tumblr.com/a71e56c81ff7bcaf8da4d7d059a3eb90/tumblr_n31v1e2jxs1t5k7qjo1_540.jpg (http://40.media.tumblr.com/a71e56c81ff7bcaf8da4d7d059a3eb90/tumblr_n31v1e2jxs1t5k7qjo1_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Sanochka on June 17, 2015, 12:07:32 PM
Judging from the hairstyles and clothing, I'd say late 1870s - very early 1880s.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Nope, this image is from late 1880s, most exactly 1889. The baby in the image is Irene and Heinrich s son Waldemar :-D
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: edubs31 on June 17, 2015, 01:51:59 PM
Well I'm pretty certain that's Alix standing over to the left, yes? I'd say she looks anywhere between roughly 16 & 20. In which case the photo would have to be dated between 1888-92.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: edubs31 on June 17, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Nope, this image is from late 1880s, most exactly 1889. The baby in the image is Irene and Heinrich s son Waldemar :-D

There you have it. Alix as a 17-year old. Right about what I guessed.
Title: Re: Picture
Post by: Sanochka on June 17, 2015, 09:13:40 PM
The photo is so grainy that I didn't even guess that it's Alix on the left, until pointed out by Carolath and Edubs.  Now I see it, and see also how pretty Alix is.

Meantime, Queen Missy should be happy with the more precise dating, with identities provided no less.   :)
Title: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Queen_Missy on November 08, 2015, 10:31:32 AM
Could someone who speaks fluent German and English translate some or all of this into English? I'm sure many would appreciate it.
Thanks
Louis IV:
"Wir Kinder haben am liebsten immer in seinem Zimmer gesessen. Dort haben wir gelesen, gemalt, gezeichnet und gearbeitet. Dabei saß mein Vater meistens am Schreibtisch. Mir bleibt es immer ein Wunder, wie er es oft hat aushaken können. Es war ja meistens nach dem Tee, aber doch auch den ganzen Sonntag und wenn wir Ferien hatten. Wenn jemand kam, um ihn zu sprechen, verschwanden wir natürlich, waren aber piquiert, wenn derselbe zu lange blieb. Nie hat er uns gezankt. Wenn es sehr ernst war, dann besprach er die Sache mit einem, aber in einer so gütigen Art, daß man sich gemein vorkam, wenn man etwas pexiert hatte. Aber es kam sehr selten dazu."

Alice:
"Meine Mutter Alice war die zweite Tochter der Königin Victoria und des Prinzgemahls Albert. Sie hing mit Leib und Seele an ihren Eltern. Ihr Vater war ihr Ideal, der ihr ganzes Wesen beeinflußte. Als er 1861 starb, war sie mit meinem Vater verlobt. Ihre Mutter war der Verzweiflung nahe, und als junges Mädchen mußte sie alles in die Hand nehmen. Alte Leute haben mir erzählt, wie sie trotz ihrer großen Trauer und Jugend alles mit einem wunderbaren Takt führte und daß ihre Mutter ganz von ihr abhing. Man kann sich deren neuen Kummer denken, als sie im Juli 1862 meinen Vater heiratete und nun auf immer aus ihrer Heimat zog. Sie kam ja  jedes Jahr wenn möglich einmal nach England mit meinem Vater und ihrer sich vergrößernden Kinderschar. Was haben wir die Zeit dort genossen. Früh wurde sie ernst, wenn sie auch einen großen Humor hatte, und ich höre noch ihr Lachen, wenn sie vergnügt war."

"Ihr Ernst kam daher, weil sie doch zu viel durchmachen mußte. Erst der Tod des Vaters 1861, dann der Krieg 1866, dann der von 1870-71, dann der Tod meines Bruders Fritz 1873, von dem sie sich nie erholte. Meine Mutter lag noch am Morgen zu Bett, ich und mein Bruder spielten neben ihr. Das Haus macht da eine Ecke. Ich lief in das Wohnzimmer, um von dessen Fenster aus meinen Bruder zu sehen. Meine Mutter sprang, um mich vom Fenster zurückzuziehen. Während der Zeit stieg mein kleiner Bruder auf einen Stuhl, um hinüber zu sehen, und ehe meine Mutter zurück konnte, kippte der Stuhl nach vorne, und er stürzte herunter auf den steinernen Treppenabsatz. Er lebte noch bis zum Abend. Unser alter Kinder-Diener trug mich hinauf zu den älteren Schwestern, denn ich war fassungslos. Überhaupt vergesse ich die Tage nie. Dazu hatte ich ein böses Gewissen, denn den Nachmittag vorher war die ganze Familie auf dem Glasberggewesen. Dort pflückten wir Maiblumen, und Fritz, der mich besonders liebte, hatte welche in seiner kleinen Hand, die er mir geben wollte. Ich lief immer weiter, und er mit seinen kurzen Beinchen trottete hinter mir her, und ich höre noch, wie er mir immer nachrief: „Ernie I wants ou, Ernie I wants ou so much!" Er wollte mir ja seine Maiblumen schenken. Dieser ruf ging mir viele Monate, ja sogar Jahre nicht aus dem Kopf und zu Anfang hatte ich das Gefühl der Verzweiflung. Nächte durch weinte ich und alle glaubten es war die Trauer um den Verlust, die sprach ja auch mit, aber es war das Gewissen. Niemandem habe ich etwas darüber gesagt. Und wie er aufgebahrt in allen Frühlingsblumen dalag, da hob mich meine Mutter auf, und ich tat die Maiblumen in seine kalten Hände. Ob wohl die Erwachsenen jemals realisieren können, was ein Kind schon leiden kann? Nun war ich der einzige Sohn, und meine Mutter und ich klammerten uns aneinander. Dadurch verzog sie mich wahrscheinlich, denn meine älteren Schwestern waren eifersüchtig auf mich. Später fühlte ich mich oft einsam, denn als einziger Junge gingen meine Schwestern mir vor, außerdem waren drei von ihnen älter."

"Meine Mutter hatte die große Eigenschaft, fähige, tatkräftige und gescheite Menschen, ob Mann oder Frau, um sich zu sammeln, sie zu beeinflussen und sie dann an die richtigen Stellen zu setzen, wo sie dann mit Freuden ihr Bestes für die große Arbeit hingaben. Das war der große Unterschied zwischen ihr und ihrer Schwester, der Kaiserin Friedrich. Sie hatte die große Menschenliebe und die Geduld, gepaart mit einem weitgreifenden Gehirn. Sie war eben klug. Jene hatte auch ein großes, gescheites Gehirn, aber es war mehr ein Professorengehirn, und dabei war sie so sanguinisch, daß Vaters, und alle seine Ideen versenkte er in sie hinein. So zum Beispiel die Idee für die Größe Deutschlands. Nun heiratete sie 1858 in ein Preußen, das noch nicht richtig deutsch dachte. Für diese Idee kämpfte sie wild und war oft schroff dabei, aber niemand verstand sie. Deshalb warf sie sich in die Arme der Freisinnigen, und ihren Mann, Kronprinz Friedrich Wilhelm, den sie an Gescheitheit weit überragte, beeinflußte sie in derselben Richtung. Dadurch wurde er auch der erste preußische Prinz, den die Süddeutschen liebten. "

Victoria:
"Als Kinder beherrschte uns meine älteste Schwester Victoria. Außer daß sie die Gescheiteste war, hatte sie als älteste von uns große Kräfte, sodaß wir ihr auch physisch gehorchten. Sie hat sehr edle Gesichtszüge und gleicht äußerlich am meisten von uns ihrer Mutter. Nach dem Tee, wenn meine Mutter müde war, las sie uns Geschichten vor. Durch diese frühe Übung hatte sie die Kunst, wunderbar vorlesen zu können. Besonders humorvolle Geschichten sind von ihr bezaubernd. Sie dachte als Mädchen, es wäre unwürdig zu zeigen, daß sie ein großes Herz hätte, und dadurch war sie oft sehr unverstanden und wurde darauf leicht schroff, da ihr sehr schneller Verstand half, den Menschen schlagende Antworten zu geben. Ihre Hochzeit war am 30 April 1884 Zugegen waren unsere beiden Großmütter und alle englischen und hessischen Verwandten, auch das deutsche Kronprinzenpaar und ihre Kinder und noch andere Verwandte."

"Wenige Frauen haben so viel gelesen wie sie. Dabei vergißt sie aber beinahe nie, was sie gelesen hat. Mit dem Alter hat das Herz sie ganz besiegt, sodaß ihr großer Charakter ganz hervorleuchtet und ihre Selbstlosigkeit alles beherrscht. Sie wäre die richtige Frau für einen großen Fürsten gewesen, denn sie hatte alle Veranlagung dafür. Oft haben mir gescheite Herren, die mit ihr in Berührung kamen gesagt: “So eine Frau ist ja einzig in der Welt". Still lebt sie ihr Leben dahin, und ihr Hauptinteresse ist für ihre Kinder und Enkel."



Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Queen_Missy on November 08, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
Ella:
"Ella war die Schwester, welche mir in vielen Arten am ähnlichsten war. Wir verstanden uns in allem beinahe immer, denn sie fühlte sich in mich hinein, wie wenige Schwestern es getan haben. Sie war eine der schönsten Frauen. Einmal wie wir beide ganz früh am Morgen in Venedig gingen, sah ich, wie einige Leute, die ihre Sachen auf den Markt brachten, andachtsvoll hinter ihr hergingen und zu einander murmelten: “O che la bella!"

"Sie war musikalisch und hatte eine warme Stimme. Besonders aber malte und zeichnete sie viel. Sie genoß es auch, sich schön anzuziehen. Das war nicht aus Eitelkeit, sondern aus Freude daran, etwas Schönes zu schaffen. Sie hatte sehr viel Humor und konnte Sachen, die ihr passierten, auf hinreißend komische Art erzählen. Wie oft haben wir fassungslos zusammen gesessen und über einen komischen Vorfall gelacht."

Irene:
"Meine Schwester Irene, schon als Kind wollte immer alles zwischen ihren Geschwistern schlichten und war immer bedacht, daß wir das Richtige täten und nichts vergaßen. Da sie sanguinisch ist, übertrieb sie dies mit Geschäftigkeit, sodaß wir sie “Aunt Fuss" nannten. Sie hatte früher beim Reiten eine sehr leichte Hand und eine große Tanzleidenschaft wie ich. Oft haben wir beide, die Melodie singend, zusammen in leeren Sälen getanzt. Ihre offizielle Verlobung mit Heinrich von Preußen wurde in Berlin am 90. Geburtstag des Kaiser Wilhelm I. gefeiert. Ihre Hochzeit in Charlottenburg war eine kleine und sehr traurige. Sie war am 24. Mai 1888 (Großmamas Geburtstag). Am 9. März war der alte Kaiser Wilhelm I. gestorben. Die alte Kaiserin Augusta saß wie ein schwarzes Gespenst im Rollstuhl dabei. Kaiser Friedrich war eigentlich sterbend. Er starb am 15. Juni, sodaß die Jungvermählten gleich dabei waren. Die Hochzeit war so früh nach dem Tode Kaiser Wilhelms anberaumt worden, weil er absolut bei der Trauung seines Sohnes dabei sein wollte und nicht wußte, wie lange er noch leben würde. Ihr verheiratetes Leben war glücklich, aber oft nicht leicht, weil besonders im Anfang mein Schwager Heinrich unberechenbar war, und da mußte sie Streitigkeiten immer schlichten. Es ging aber stets gut aus, weil sein Gentleman-Gefühl und schlichten. Es ging aber stets gut aus, weil sein Gentleman-Gefühl und sein gutes Herz ihn zuletzt zur Einsicht leiteten. Ihr Sohn Waldemar, der immer krank ist und oft am Tode war, ist eine stete Sorge, wenn er auch sein Leiden mit rührender Geduld trägt. Ihr dritter Sohn Heinrich starb jung."

May:
"May war immer vergnügt und sonnig, so recht zum Lieben. Ich liebte sie auch mit meinem ganzen Herzen. Ihr erster  Strickversuch, eine Zipfelmütze, lag auf meinem Kopfkissen  über 20 Jahre lang, bis sie ganz zerfiel."
Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Helen on November 09, 2015, 05:05:23 AM
Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig's memoirs were published in 1983. The publication is protected by copyright. Aren't you violating copyrights when posting such large sections of that publication without proper permission of the editor/publisher?
Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Queen_Missy on November 09, 2015, 09:18:21 AM
I didn't mean to if I am; most of the parts I posted are parts I've seen shared on other blogs etc. The parts about the siblings - I haven't seen the parts about Alice and Louis shared anywhere. I got what I shared on the snippet preview on GoogleBooks.
Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Helen on November 09, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
Google's 'snippet views' are excerpts of two to three lines of text surrounding queried search terms; they are displayed "in cases where Google does not have permission of the copyright owner to display a preview", as Wikipedia phrases it.

The total word count of the excerpts that you have posted here is about 1,500 (!!), so you must have combined quite a number of snippet previews without proper permission of the copyright owner.
The fact that you have also posted these excerpts elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay, does it - only worse.
Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Helen on November 09, 2015, 03:10:50 PM
The fact that you have also posted these excerpts elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay, does it - only worse.
Correction: The fact that most of these excerpts have also been posted elsewhere without permission doesn't make it okay.
Title: Re: Ernst's Memoirs
Post by: Queen_Missy on November 09, 2015, 07:10:55 PM
Sorry, If you want to take it down you can. I didn't really realize it was still under copyright - some books that there are snippet previews are not.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Helen on November 11, 2015, 07:47:05 AM
Most books from 1983 are still protected by copyright.

I cannot remove your posts. Why don't you remove them yourself or ask the Forum Admin to do so.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 11, 2015, 10:36:35 AM
Queen Missy, You can copy and paste all of that in google translate and there you will get a close translation of the whole text.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on December 12, 2017, 12:12:57 PM
well im sure that VEIA were good wifes, who loved their Husbands.

But i wonder how much  jealous Irene and Victoria were.

well i think it was hard, even for  Irene, who wanted more private time with Henry. But his brother Willy gave him so much to do.
Always to  represent  his work and replace him.

Victoria i guess was not happy but she was not  so unhappy if Louis was at sea. She spend her time with travel to Russia, Germany and England.

Im sure Irene and Victoria knew that it will be not easy if their Husband was át Sea for long time. (sometimes for 6 months or longer)

But what you think ? Were  Irene and Victoria jealous if  Henry and Louis was at  Sea, who visitet  sometimes a  port and  could meet mabye other woman ?

I think Victorias love for Louis was strong enough, she was a tomboy, but Irene ?

Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Bambi on December 13, 2017, 03:07:41 AM
well im sure that VEIA were good wifes, who loved their Husbands.

But i wonder how much  jealous Irene and Victoria were.

well i think it was hard, even for  Irene, who wanted more private time with Henry. But his brother Willy gave him so much to do.
Always to  represent  his work and replace him.

Victoria i guess was not happy but she was not  so unhappy if Louis was at sea. She spend her time with travel to Russia, Germany and England.

Im sure Irene and Victoria knew that it will be not easy if their Husband was át Sea for long time. (sometimes for 6 months or longer)

But what you think ? Were  Irene and Victoria jealous if  Henry and Louis was at  Sea, who visitet  sometimes a  port and  could meet mabye other woman ?

I think Victorias love for Louis was strong enough, she was a tomboy, but Irene ?

I have never heard of Victoria or Irene to have suffered from jealousy issues with their husbands, although unfortunately I confess myself not to be the most knowledgeable. In regards to love, I have no doubt that both Victoria and Irene’s marriages were love matches. All four of the Hessian sisters were inclined to make their own choices when it came to marriage.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on December 13, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
yea

but what is with the roumour that Henry had two sons outside  of his marriege ?

here i have the link about it from this Forum.


http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=15791.msg552583#new

mabe yeah he had a affair with this Julie, but i think and i hope it was before his marriage.


its strange that the Information come out so late.

Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Bambi on December 13, 2017, 02:46:58 PM
This is the first time I'm hearing about it, so I would have no idea, though one would hope that any stories of unfaithfulness during the marriage is untrue.
Title: Re: The Hesse siblings, children of GD Ludwig IV Part II
Post by: Russka Princess on December 14, 2017, 01:25:01 AM
I hope so. But I had read a German article about henry, where he was very often in Hamburg. He spend few days there, he wrote in his diary, that he eat and sleep in the "4 jahreszeiten " 4season  hotel. And I have read that this julie was a singer in Hamburg. Henry visitet friends there...well I don't think that he could be unfaithful, but it's strange that julie and henry were in Hamburg.

At all I think it's not true, because the information came really late. I don't think that he cheated on Irene.


Here I have a link about him Irene, so when I had read this site, i think one more that he didn't do that. And if yes than before his marriage.

http://heirstothethrone-project.net/?page_id=2647
Title: VEIA-were godmothers from... ?
Post by: Russka Princess on December 18, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
i have a question:

Did someone know if Victoria, Ella Irene and Alix were godmothers and from who ?

i had read that Ella was the godmother from Alice (daugther from VHM)

and Irene from anastasia right ?

Victoria from Tatjana i guess.


But was Alix a godmother too ?
Title: Re: VEIA-were godmothers from... ?
Post by: Bambi on December 18, 2017, 11:44:30 PM
Ella was also a godmother to Olga Nikolaevna, as I learnt from Ella's biographer, Christopher Warwick.

Below is a letter Maria Nikolaevna wrote to her Aunt Ella two months before their deaths. Given that it is signed "Your loving god-daughter", it suggests that Ella was also a godmother to Maria Nikolaevna.

He is Risen Indeed! We kiss you, dearest, three times. Thank you very much for the eggs, chocolate coffee. Mama drank her first cup of coffee with great pleasure, it was very good. It's very good for her headaches, and as it happens we hadn't taken any with us. We learnt from the papers that you had been sent away from your convent, and were very sad for you. It's strange that we should all end up in the same province under arrest. We hope that you will be able to spend the summer somewhere out of town, in Verkhoturie or in some monastery. We have so missed having a church. My address: Ekaterinburg, The Regional Executive Committee, To the Chairman for transmission to me. May God keep you + Your loving god-daughter.

Unfortunately, I have no further knowledge about which Hessian sister was godmother to which Romanov sister.
Title: Re: VEIA-were godmothers from... ?
Post by: Russka Princess on December 19, 2017, 02:09:58 AM
So Ella was a godmother from Alice, Olga and Maria? Wow.

Irene I guess was from Louise and Anastasia but I'm not sure.

I wonder if alix was a godmother from the children of their sisters.