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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hesse-Darmstadts (Hesse and by Rhine) => Topic started by: Lisa on August 20, 2004, 12:40:09 PM

Title: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Lisa on August 20, 2004, 12:40:09 PM
Georg Donatus, Cecilia, Ludwig and Alexander of Hesse in 1934:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/GeorgDonatusCeciliaLudwigandAlexanderofHesse1934.jpg)

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Lisa on August 20, 2004, 12:42:13 PM
Georg and Cecila of Greece at their wedding:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/PrincessCecileofGreece1911-1937andGrandDukeGeorgDonatusofHesseandbyRhine1906-1937.jpg)

Cecilia was a grand daughter of Victoria of Milford Haven, wasn't she? or am I wrong? ???
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Louise on August 20, 2004, 01:27:45 PM
You are right! She was also the daughter of Princess Alice and Prince Andrew of Greece.

Louise
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Lisa on August 20, 2004, 01:35:04 PM
So, her husband was also her uncle... ???
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Louise on August 20, 2004, 01:40:32 PM
Oh gosh, I have to think about this. No Georg would not be her uncle. He would be her cousin. Victoria and Ernest were brother and sister....Victoria had Alice, who had Cecila. Ernest had Georg....Yup cousins. I need to get out the family tree again. I hope this is the right info. It gets so confusing trying to keep the marriages and children and family trees straight.

:-/

Louise
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 20, 2004, 01:44:11 PM
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You are right! She was also the daughter of Princess Alice and Prince Andrew of Greece.

Louise


Let's see:
Alice--Victoria--Alice--Cecile
Alice--Ernst--George Donatus

Yes, she and George Donatus were were first cousins once removed (he being her mother's 1st cousins). He wasn't her uncle. Didn't all the Battenberg/Greek daughters marry relatives of some degree or not? Except maybe Theodora and the Prince of Baden. Sophie even did it twice (and to cousins themselves!
QV--Alice--Victoria--Alice--Sophie
QV--Vicky--Mossy--Christopher (1)
QV--Vicky--William--Victoria Louise--George William (2)

QV--Alice--Victoria--Alice--Margherita
QV--Alfred--Alexandra--Gottfried of Hohenlohe-Langenberg

Forgive me if I've switched Theodora and Margherita, I sometimes have trouble keeping their marriages straight and I'm doing this off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Louise on August 20, 2004, 01:47:28 PM
It's kinda fun eh? It gives your brain an exercise in see if you can get the relationships correct.

Louise
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Lisa on August 20, 2004, 02:54:34 PM
Oh, oui, Louise!

The relationships in the royal families are quite complicated! ;)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Lisa on August 22, 2004, 04:48:03 AM
Cecile of Hesse:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/cecile.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: otmafan on August 23, 2004, 07:02:49 PM
I don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone know about the Grand Duchess of Hesse's adopted daughter Johanna who died young of meningitis? I saw a picture of her in Queen Victoria's Family by Charlotte Zeepvat.  ???
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 24, 2004, 01:12:30 PM
Poor little thing--one more link in the Hesse chain of tragedies.  :'(  She was the daughter of George Donatus of Hesse (Ernie's oldest son) and Cecile of Greece (Alice Battenberg's daughter & Prince Philip's sister). She was the 3rd child and only girl. Because of her age (or she was sick, I don't recall exactly), she wasn't on board the airplane with her grandmother, father, pregnant mother & 2 brothers when it crashed at Ostend and killed all on board. Her only surviving Hesse relative, Ludwig & his new wife Margaret (whose wedding the family was headed to) adopted her as their own. Sadly, she died just a few years later--of meningitis I think. Ludwig & Margaret 'Peg' Hesse had no children of their own and thus the male line  died out and passed to the next Hesse branch.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on August 24, 2004, 05:42:19 PM
That is soo Sad. Poor kid and every other Hesse members who died.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 24, 2004, 10:03:12 PM
Does anyone know if this is true?
Hereditary Grand Duke Georg his wife Princess Cecilia, two sons and mother Princess Eleoner were killed in an aeroplane accident near Ostende. Cecilia was eight months pregnant at the time of the crash and the baby's body was discovered amongst the wreckage. The party were on their way to Croydon Airport to attend the wedding of his brother.Some doubt is cast regarding the birth/death of this baby as the supporting evidence is somewhat lacking.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 24, 2004, 11:42:13 PM
I'm not sure what you are asking about. Yes, the family of George Donatus died in 1937 in an airplane accident. Yes, his wife, who was also Prince Philip's sister, was also pregnant and her child was stillborn after the accident.

Did that answer your question?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on August 26, 2004, 09:06:35 AM
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I'm not sure what you are asking about. Yes, the family of George Donatus died in 1937 in an airplane accident. Yes, his wife, who was also Prince Philip's sister, was also pregnant and her child was stillborn after the accident.

Did that answer your question?


Sorry, I had listed the whole quote. I know about the crash--I've posted on it--I was wondering about the story of the stillborn child being found at the accident site. I had read Cecile was pregnant, but never knew how far along, etc...If true, I was surprised that a woman that far along would fly even a short distance. Nowadays they won't let you fly w/o a release, doctor's note and sometimes not then even. Of course, the various health risks might not have been known then. I also thought it was just an added layer of tragedy if true.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Janet_W. on August 26, 2004, 11:03:47 AM
I believe it was in Hessian Tapestry that it was stated that Cecile had indeed been pregnant and that, among the remains of those onboard, were the remains of the stillborn (i.e., expelled) baby. If someone has a copy of Hessian Tapestry on hand, perhaps they can verfiy or disprove this?

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Annie on October 19, 2004, 04:55:37 PM
Did I miss it here or could someone please list the names and ages of the little sons of Cecile and Georg please?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on October 20, 2004, 12:36:40 AM
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Did I miss it here or could someone please list the names and ages of the little sons of Cecile and Georg please?



1) Ludwig Ernst Andreas 25 Oct 1931- 16 Nov 1937
2) Alexander Georg Karl Heinrich 14 Apr 1933-16 Nov 1937
3) Johanna Marina Eleonore 20 Sep 1936- 14 Jun 1939)

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on November 16, 2004, 10:06:25 AM
I'd also like to add a prayer for the poor little baby Cecile was carrying who apparently was found in the wreckage.  :'(


George Donatus & Cecile on wedding day:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/ebay4257.jpg)


Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 28, 2004, 05:22:46 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/Hesseandbattenburg/princessjohana.jpg)

Hesse-Darmstadt's last beloved  Princess Johanna..
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Katia on November 29, 2004, 04:11:14 AM
Thank you for sharing these photographs! They are the very first I've ever seen of Johanna. She was a beautiful child, like all the Hessian children!
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2004, 10:56:21 AM
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Are there any belongings/personalia of lovely little Princess Joanna preserved?


I am sure there are items in the family archives - her playhouse still is extant at Langen .. I had the pleasure of being able to "play" in it - in the mid-80s.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2004, 10:58:31 AM
"I am always wearing black when flying".

It would have been black maternity dress as she was in an advanced stage of pregnancy, and gave birth during the crash.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2004, 11:02:13 AM
Janet,

Cecilia was most certainly pregnant at the time, and the pregnancy had been announced. The remains of a newly born stillborn child was found at the crash site - and there are references to this is in the news coverage of the day, including in the New York Times.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on December 09, 2004, 11:58:32 AM
one of the best descriptions of this harrowing accident is found in David Duff's opus, "Hessian Tapestry," hands down one of my favorite books, joined mong others by QVD, authored by a new member to this forum.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Janet_W. on December 09, 2004, 12:31:12 PM
Thank you, grandduchessella, for the info re: Johanna, and thanks also to Marie Pavlovna for the charming photo of that same little girl. As with the tragic demise of Princess Elisabeth some years earlier, Joanna's premature death reminds us that small children from that time--even those living in the most protected of circumstances--often were struck down by disease.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2004, 01:29:33 PM
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one of the best descriptions of this harrowing accident is found in David Duff's opus, "Hessian Tapestry," hands down one of my favorite books, joined mong others by QVD, authored by a new member to this forum.

Arturo Beéche



totally ot - I used to be David's researcher and stay with him in Diss in the 80s.  His house was filled with royal memorabilia.  He paid me for a bit of work with a signed photo of Queen Mary that used to hang over his toilet ... hey, there was not a bare spot on a wall in his house.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on December 09, 2004, 09:26:22 PM
thank you for your kind remarks.  

The playhouse was actually built for Princess Elisabeth in 1902. The Viennese architect Joseph Maria Olbrich designed it.  Architectural Digest published an article about the house in the 80s I think.  I have the article in front of me, but did not date, by accident.  It was after 1987.  Everything was built to a child's standard including a kitchen complete with crockery.  A sitting room too.  The princess died a year after the house was completed.  Her younger half brothers played in the house as did Georg's children.  Neighborhood children were also allowed to play in the house.  I got to play in it too as an adult.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: jfkhaos on March 14, 2005, 11:27:06 AM
If I remember correctly, in finishing The Mountbattens by Richard Hough, it indicated that Johanna and Elisabeth were both buried in the Rosenhohe.  Is this correct, and if so, are they any pcitures of the children's graves?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Roman_Candle on March 19, 2005, 02:23:37 PM
I was wondering why Georg had the last name of Donatus?

I know that the male Hesse line can be traced to the 4th century. Do they descend in "theory" directly from the man named Donatus who was the leader of a church group in North Africa? In 312 A.D. he and his followers split from the Roman Catholic church after a dispute over the election of a Bishop. The Emperor Constantine tolorated the movement and it was ended with the removal of Christianity from the african continent in about the 8th century.

I know that they descend from the Emperor Charlemange on the maternal side, but I have only seen it up to Mainier the Count of Sens (Duke of Austrasie?) who died about 800 A.D.

Does anyone know the direct male line past this?

Thanks
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: bluetoria on March 19, 2005, 05:18:26 PM
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I was wondering why Georg had the last name of Donatus?



No sorry, I don't know the answer to your question but
perhaps he was named Donatus simply because it means 'gift' - like a gift to Ernie after the sad loss of his daughter??
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on March 19, 2005, 08:16:42 PM
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I was wondering why Georg had the last name of Donatus?"


Donatus was not Georg's last name.  He was christened
Georg Donatus Wilhelm Nikolaus, and was known as Don.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on March 19, 2005, 08:17:40 PM
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I was wondering why Georg had the last name of Donatus?"


Donatus was not Georg's last name.  He was christened
Georg Donatus Wilhelm Nikolaus, and was known as Don.


Actually, Georg Donatus Wilhelm Eduard Heinrich Karl
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Roman_Candle on March 19, 2005, 10:53:16 PM
Thank you Blue Toria and Marlene.

I didn't know that Donatus means "gift", which is interesting. I always wondered how it came to be, because it doesn't show up in any Hesse family tree records until Georg...so then it's more of a middle name.

Have either of you traced the genealogy past Mainier?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: TampaBay on March 20, 2005, 07:04:33 AM
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Actually, Georg Donatus Wilhelm Eduard Heinrich Karl


Marlene,

Is Donatus (German) = Donald (English)?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: cimbrio on March 24, 2005, 06:32:25 AM
I don't know if this ahs been mentioned before in this post but Princess Cecilie, the Duke of Edinburgh's prettiest and most elegants ister, was pregnant at the time of her death in the plane crash. Can anyone forward any more details on this tragic incident, such as newspaper articles of the time it happened, photos of the site etc? Does anyone have any comments or quotes the Duke of Edinburgh said relating to his sister's death etc, such as how he remembers it all etc? It must have been quite a sad episode since she was related to so many royal houses ans happened fairly recently (historically speaking), so I suppose many may still remember it. On a curious note, in Charlotte Yeepvat's book "Queen Victoria's family" there's a photo of the funeral procession through Darmstadt. Ms. Zeepvat doesn't comment on it, but it's interesting to note that the citizens gathered in the streets all salute in the Nazi way, since it all happened in 1937 and it was the official salute in Germany...
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: cimbrio on March 24, 2005, 06:36:19 AM
All I know about her is that she didn't go with her family to England for her uncle's wedding because she was too young (perhaps her brothers were to be the pages at the wedding?), so she stayed with her Baden cousins. She did not survive her family for long though she was adopted by her aunt and uncle, who were nonetheless childless themselves. On board the plane she lost her mother, her father, her paternal grandmother and her two brothers. Her mother was pregnant at the time of her death.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 24, 2005, 07:43:53 AM
Probably the  best place to find Philip's reactions are in one of the many bios of him but I don't have any.  :(

There's a mention in Hugo Vicker's bio on his mother Alice:
'Philip was told of the tragedy at school and never forgot 'the profound shock' with which he heard the news.'

As regards Alice everyone was worried about how she'd take the news in her fragile mental condition. Queen Mary wrote to Alice's mother Victoria worrying about how Alice would deal with the loss of her 'lovely Cecile'. Alice surprised everyone though--this shocking loss seemed to rouse her out of the fog she'd been living in and she began to improve.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 24, 2005, 08:03:42 AM
From Vickers:

'After some months in Greece, Alice returned to England to see her mother and Philip. Unbeknown to her, Cecile's two-year-old daughter, Johanna, then living with Lu and Peg at Darmstadt had suffered a relapse in her meningitis after flu, which left her so weak that she could not lift her head when lying down. Alice had reached Paris from Marseilles on 6 June when her sister-in-law Marie, met her with a frantic message that Johanna was gravely ill. Alice rushed to Frankfurt where Margarita and Friedel Hohenlohe met her and brought her to the Neue Palais. Johanna was being cared for in the Alice Hospital adn though generally weak, had a strong heart. They knew she could not recover, but only in the last twenty-four hours did she fall unconscious. Alice was part of the family vigil, which she later described to Philip: 'As she never had a very high fever, she had not fits or restlessness from the inflammation of the brain which is rare, but a godsend to us all. For we had such a sweet picture before our eyes of a lovely sleeping child with golden curls, looking for me so very like Cecile at that age that it was like losing my child a second time and I was thankful that Papa wa away travelling and did not see that, for Papa adored Cecile when she was small and could never bear to be parted from her.' The coffin was taken to the Byzantine mausoleum where Ernie had lain and the funeral was private. Johanna was buried next to her parents and brothers, who had died so tragically less than two years before. '
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Guinastasia on March 24, 2005, 01:44:30 PM
Oh how sad.  What a little cutie, too.  She was absolutely adorable!

The Hesse family seems to have had more than its fair share of tragedy.

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on March 25, 2005, 03:07:57 PM
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Can I ask where you read this? It touches on 3 of my favorite topics--royal jewels, Queen Ena and Ella! Many thanks.



I think he is referring to the new book in Spanish (came out last year) about Spanish royal jewels.  I've got a copy- but cannot remember the title at present.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Iskenderbey on March 31, 2005, 03:24:32 PM
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Georg Donatus, Cecilia, Ludwig and Alexander of Hesse in 1934:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/GeorgDonatusCeciliaLudwigandAlexanderofHesse1934.jpg)


In this picture with her husband and two children, Cecelia reminds me of very much of her cousin, Princess Alexandra of Greece (King Alexander's daughter), those cheeks!
Regards
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: bluetoria on April 01, 2005, 04:11:23 AM
I think George Donatus looks like Errol Flynn; and Ludwig looks very like his father. (His own father - not Errol Flynn's father!)

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: rita on June 26, 2005, 02:09:35 PM
 Is Donatus (German) = Donald (English)?

No, it isn't. Donatus is latin and means "present of god". Donald is celtic and means "ruler of the world".
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 09, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
He married Princess Cecile of Greece and Denmark, sister of the Duke of Edinburgh. They had three children, Louis, Alexander and Joanna. Georg, Cecile, Louis, Alexander and Georg's mother Eleanore were killed in a plane crash in 1937. Joanna was adopted by Georg's brother Louis and his wife Margaret Geddes, but she died in 1939.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: bookworm857158367 on August 13, 2005, 10:22:38 PM
I found a couple of photos that I think must be Johanna's eldest brother, little Louis/Ludwig. The site owner has them labeled Ernst-Ludwig of Hesse-Phillipsthal-Barchfeld, but also says he lived from 1931-1937 and was the son of Georg Donatus. I think the label must be wrong.

Louis/Ludwig (I've seen him called both) was also dark-haired like this little boy. He looks like the photos posted elsewhere of the family.

He was as cute as his little sister. It's terribly sad to look at the photos knowing that they all died so young, but they were beautiful youngsters. It's nice to see that they had some happiness too.


Here is little Alexander alone:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/hessen/hessendarmstadt2/1933%20Alexander.jpg

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: bookworm857158367 on August 14, 2005, 08:46:27 AM


Cecile wasn't actually Greek by blood. The Greek royal family was 100 percent German. She was quite blond as a child too, so I wonder where the dark hair came from for little Ludwig.

Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: lostfan on August 17, 2005, 06:08:33 PM
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I just read that Kaiser Wilhelm sent a telegram to Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore immediately after he heard of Georg Donatus's birth: "Der große Woog, der kleine Woog, es lebe der kleine Erbgroßherzog! Ich bin natürlich Pate".

(maybe someone can translate it into proper English?)

So Wilhelm invited himself to be one of the Godfathers to the little hessian prince...



I ran it through Google's translator and got this:

"The large Woog, the small Woog, it lives the small hereditary Grand Duke!  I am naturally godfather."

No clue what a Woog is, but Wilhelm certainly was eager to be a godfather ;)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: bluetoria on August 18, 2005, 06:24:17 AM
Thank you for explaining that, Thomas. I thought a Woog sounded like some kind of fairy-tale monster!  ;D

The kaiser's 'decision' to be godfather is so typical of him, isn't it? He doubtlessly thought the Hessians would be honoured by his assumption.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: rita on August 18, 2005, 05:07:52 PM
Dear Bluetoria,
the term "Woog" is used only in Hessen ( Darmstadt and Odenwald) and in the Pfalz round Kaiserslautern -Gelderswoog, a very nice little lake -. This "Woogs" have typical geological formation.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woog
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on October 04, 2005, 10:05:47 AM
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/linnea12/64_1_b.jpg)



Hi Linnea

did you get this photo off an ebay auction from a few months ago ... I was the one who bought it ...(it is actually a memorial card.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Linnea on October 05, 2005, 11:58:37 AM
why was she named Johanna? Did they have relatives or friends with that name or did they simply like it?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Guinastasia on September 14, 2006, 11:15:18 AM
Where any members of Ernie's family Nazi sympathizers, like so many of the Hesses?  I would hate to hear that GD and Louis were!
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on September 14, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
I don't think that George (who died in 1937) was and Louis definitely wasn't.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 14, 2006, 04:46:41 PM
Both, Georg Donatus and his wife were members of the NSDAP as far as I know.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Ilana on October 25, 2006, 12:06:13 PM
According to ROYALS AND THE REICH all of the Hesses were members of the party.  Don, Lu and Cecile.  Okay, I'm now back-peddling... but I think Lu was... he was anyway a cultural attache for the regime in London in the late '30's.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Paul on November 26, 2006, 06:42:39 PM
According to ROYALS AND THE REICH all of the Hesses were members of the party.  Don, Lu and Cecile.  Okay, I'm now back-peddling... but I think Lu was... he was anyway a cultural attache for the regime in London in the late '30's.

The book has an extensive list, in Appendix I, of nobles/royals who were party members. The list also gives their Party membership numbers and the dates on which they entered the Party.

Having said this, please remember that virtually everybody who was anybody had some connection to the Party. It was virtually impossible to function in any capacity in Germany if one refused or dodged membership. Membership did not always imply participation in the more detestable actvities of the Reich.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Ilana on November 28, 2006, 09:44:32 AM
Agreed, most of us realize that today.  And, also we have to remember that the Royals were mostly anti-Soviet, and the enemy of my enemy, etc.  At least until Stalin and Hitler made what proved to be a temporary truce....
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 13, 2008, 01:44:11 PM


Cecilie and children:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/CecilieOfGreec21.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Alexandre64 on October 17, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/vlcsnap-23354.png)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marlene on October 21, 2008, 02:28:53 PM
Royals did not date --- Ileana had a crush on Don, but he did not reciprocate .. there was no dating.  She was in Romania and he in Germany.

Yes...Princess Ileana of Romania lost her heart to the dashingly handsome Don. They dated for awhile but it was more of a love affair on her part. I am not surprised, he was such a good looking prince and such a physique ! The Darmstadt archieve was full of photos of him & Lu from boys to men. In the end, he married the beautiful Princess Cecilie (the favourite daughter of Prince Andrew of Greece) of Greece.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 21, 2008, 02:37:39 PM
In the late 1920ies Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig organized a gathering of a bunch of young princes and princesses at Wolfsgarten - more or less in order to inspire some marriages. It seems that after the revolution and after many of the European thrones had vanished it was not that easy for young Royals to find a suitable match.
During that gathering Georg Donatus and Cecilia might have got closer - her signature from that year is to be found on one of the window panes in the Grand Reception Room at Wolfsgarten.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2008, 03:29:06 PM
I think Ileana and Don did met up in family gatherings and had a friendship, but romance wasn't there. As for Cecilia and Don, they had literally known each other since children as they were closely related. They just got reaquinted.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on October 22, 2008, 02:37:21 AM
Actually - tho very closely related - Princess Andrew did not stay in Germany very often in the years after the revolution (her sister Louise spent very much time with "Uncle Ernie" whom she dearly loved - there are countless photos of them showing that Louise accompanied the Grand Duke even on tours abroad). So the four daughters rarely met the Hessian Princes. That gathering might indeed have been something like a milestone in their relationship.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Could be although I would think when the older girls (Margarita & Theodora) reached marriagable age, Alice did introduce them to the European princes hoping to find them husbands. In fact there was a kind of competition between Alice and Ellen (since their daughters were of similar ages) of who would get the best marriages.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Alexandre64 on January 10, 2009, 11:36:34 AM
George and Sons:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Hesse/img0002newfg51.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Nate1865 on January 10, 2009, 02:18:32 PM
That's a great pic of the boys with their dad. All that's missing is Ernie.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
Yes...I saw a postcard with Ernie with the two boys with a new baby.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on January 11, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
There were a number of them taken. Ernie must've been so proud, as he posed with his handsome, healthy grandsons to think that the Hesse line, of which he had been the last male, was so safe and secure.  Little could he have imagined--and thank goodness for that--the tragedy that lay ahead so soon after his death. :(
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 19, 2009, 07:45:33 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/2767978126_d190f49c9b.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 25, 2009, 06:12:33 AM
Does anyone know who the lady next to Cecile is? One of her sisters?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Svetabel on March 25, 2009, 06:46:19 AM
Does anyone know who the lady next to Cecile is? One of her sisters?

The lady does look like Theodora, Cecile's sister. But I am not sure as the picture is blurry.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 25, 2009, 10:54:52 AM
Does anyone know who the lady next to Cecile is? One of her sisters?

The lady does look like Theodora, Cecile's sister. But I am not sure as the picture is blurry.

I was thinking it looked like Maria of Savoy (daughter of VEIII).
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 25, 2009, 11:34:16 AM
But Maria di Savoya would have been 17 years of age as the Photo was taken in 1931 - the lady seems older....
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Paola on March 25, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
It was  also my first though Maria of Savoy. Something in the eyes resemble  her.  But the lady seems  older than 17.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Gabriella on March 25, 2009, 03:32:33 PM
Does anyone know who the lady next to Cecile is? One of her sisters?

The lady does look like Theodora, Cecile's sister. But I am not sure as the picture is blurry.

I was thinking it looked like Maria of Savoy (daughter of VEIII).

The lady looks very familiar. She reminds me of Mafalda of Savoy, the wife of Philip of Hesse, but I am not sure.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Alexandre64 on May 17, 2009, 09:06:12 AM
Three generations of the Hesse family:

(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/histoire/GrandDukeErnstLudwigofHesse1868-193.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Alexandre64 on June 05, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
Cecile and Johana:
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/histoire/102234081.jpg)

(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww139/Romanov_06/histoire/102234092.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: violetta on January 18, 2011, 06:47:48 AM

cecile and george donatus

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/cecilleofhesse.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/georgedonatus.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/georgdonatuscecilie.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 18, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Cecilie and Georg Donatus were a strikingly handsome couple. Hollywood level.

I wonder how Prince Phillip thinks of his sister these days, if he even does.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: violetta on January 18, 2011, 03:23:39 PM
well,time heals even the deepest wounds. it`s first-hand experience, unfortunately. when one thinks that pain is unbearable and it`s imposssible to sustain sufferings it turns out that in the course of time (it might take months and years) pain isn`t as strong as it used to be at the very beginning. though you never forget the deseased person. gd cecile died in 1937, it was over 70 years ago. he couldn`t have forgotten his sister. but no pain any more.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 19, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
well,time heals even the deepest wounds. it`s first-hand experience, unfortunately. when one thinks that pain is unbearable and it`s imposssible to sustain sufferings it turns out that in the course of time (it might take months and years) pain isn`t as strong as it used to be at the very beginning. though you never forget the deseased person. gd cecile died in 1937, it was over 70 years ago. he couldn`t have forgotten his sister. but no pain any more.

agree with these thoughts, but my wonderment was more whether or not Phillip does much if anything to keep her memory alive with his own children, for example, or has he simply let his family fall into the abyss of historical notation while his grand children say "who is cecilie?"
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: violetta on January 26, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/donatusccilie.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Sara Araújo on January 14, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
George and Cecilie:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAACF-91WJ7QNbjd2ZTsMprRuookCV0lRQznr9gTcd6ZlCCTfKV1AlSmhm2zq0LhY0p9z5wwsG-CsaNRCIrYqbYHEAm1T1UFZbPauWW2a_YIRPXj4xC0FQxN3U.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: miki_nastya on January 15, 2012, 05:51:59 AM
I know there are pictures of Georg Donatus and his family in his father Ernest threat but what about his own topic? I don't know why
but I just love the couple George and Cecile...they seem so much in love 
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Svetabel on January 17, 2012, 05:44:01 AM
I know there are pictures of Georg Donatus and his family in his father Ernest threat but what about his own topic? I don't know why
but I just love the couple George and Cecile...they seem so much in love 

Here you are. New topic on Georg Donatus and his family. I splitted the messages from the Ernst Ludwig topic and pasted them here.

Please, as always should remind, don't repeat the pictures.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 17, 2012, 09:31:01 AM
Don and Cecilie fell in love in the 1920's. Apart from the episode of Princess Ileana of Romania, was his name linked to other princesses ? Or Cecilie in that matter ?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: LauraO on January 17, 2012, 03:44:57 PM
I've never heard of anyone else in connection to cecile in that way...but anyone feel free to correct me. However i'm sure there was someone else i read about..perhaps in a book about the mountbatten of burma, in connection to Georg Donatus in this way but only briefly...anyone know any more about that perhaps?

As far as the prince philip thing goes, i don't know, i don't think that anyone would think of someone they've lost everyday if that person died 70 years ago, especially at his age, he was quite young himself when she died, but i also think he's a proud family man and can well imagine him making quite sure that her name would be known.

I don't really see any resemblance between philip and his sister, does anyone else?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 17, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Philip and his sister Sophie did look like each other in a way, as both were blonds. Cecilie Looked like her mother Alice while the others looked more Battenberg than Glucksborg.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on January 18, 2012, 03:40:55 AM
George Donatus was indeed a handsome fellow, but what did he actually DO during his lifetime? After all, he was 31 when he was killed.

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on January 18, 2012, 03:49:03 AM
Just re-read my post, and it may appear that I'm being critical of George Donatus. I'm not - just saying that he had ten years and more of adult life before he was killed, so time enough to have a job and education, and I'm interested to know what.

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Ilana on January 18, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
From what I understand he was learning how to manage the various properties they had in Darmstadt.  Also, I believe he was taking courses in agriculture.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on January 18, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
Thanks. That's pretty much as I expected.

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2012, 03:29:45 PM
Naturally since both Ernie & Ona were very hands on with their subjects.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Sara Araújo on June 27, 2013, 02:07:16 PM
A very touching picture of Princess Cecilie holding her new-born daughter Johanna:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img12/1848/zk95.jpg)

This and other treasures of her and her family can be found in this webpage:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/lan_ka_k/post281450040/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on June 27, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
That was part of a series done--there are about 5 (?) sittings altogether I think. They pop up for sale on ebay and other sites now and then--as do a lot of the non-archive ones on the page. That's probably where they took them from. For a while, there were a ton of Don, Cecile & family postcards up for less than $20/ea. There were some other ones too--including some more from the sittings shown with the kids relaxing with their parents and of their sons au natural as an infants and toddlers. (Wouldn't we all love our naked baby photos mass produced and even up for sale decades later? LOL) Hopefully, they will continue to come up for sale and stay reasonably priced--Ernie's family tends not to be too hard to get, at least of him, Eleanore and the children when younger. Cecile seems to have had more mass postcards than her sister but perhaps the others just don't pop up as much because, while they led longer lives, there wasn't the aura of both glamour and tragedy over them. Cecile was shown more in the British magazines as well and seemed to visit London in the early 30s a good bit.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Ilana on June 28, 2013, 09:23:18 AM
Wonder if Joanna Knatchbull named after the little one.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: HerrKaiser on June 28, 2013, 11:26:15 AM
A very touching picture of Princess Cecilie holding her new-born daughter Johanna:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img12/1848/zk95.jpg)

This and other treasures of her and her family can be found in this webpage:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/lan_ka_k/post281450040/

Enjoy!

Cecilie has a different appearance than her usual head-on photos. Her nose is more subtle, less downward curving.  She almost has a similarity to Catherine Zeta Jones. Great photo.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
Cecilie was the beauty of the family.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Barbara of Hohenzollern on May 03, 2014, 04:37:19 AM
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I just read that Kaiser Wilhelm sent a telegram to Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore immediately after he heard of Georg Donatus's birth: "Der große Woog, der kleine Woog, es lebe der kleine Erbgroßherzog! Ich bin natürlich Pate".

(maybe someone can translate it into proper English?)

So Wilhelm invited himself to be one of the Godfathers to the little hessian prince...


I ran it through Google's translator and got this:

"The large Woog, the small Woog, it lives the small hereditary Grand Duke!  I am naturally godfather."


No clue what a Woog is, but Wilhelm certainly was eager to be a godfather ;)

Woog is an old south west- german word for a 'standing' lake, such a lake which is no part of a river.
The Großer Woog is a lake in Darmstadt which still exists, you can bath there, the Kleiner Woog (small Woog) was buried with earth in 1988 and is today the Woogsplatz (a place in Darmstadt. Don't ask me why but they did so back then. Here in the part of Berlin where I live they did so too. :(

The Großer Woog today, you see the bathing people, if you click you get it bigger..

(http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/61fdaa-1399109666.jpg) (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=61fdaa-1399109666.jpg)
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Превед on May 03, 2014, 05:48:53 AM
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"Der große Woog, der kleine Woog, es lebe der kleine Erbgroßherzog!"
Perhaps Wilhelm was quoting some children's rhyming ditty from Darmstadt, adding Erbgroßherzog instead of Großherzog?

Haha, with the Hochzeitsturm right behind Der große Woog Ernst Ludwig had a perfect place to sit with his binoculars spying on nude, bathing lads! Only for "artistic purposes", of course!
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 03, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
You mean boy watching...Well if that was the case. Ducky did have a point there...
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Превед on May 04, 2014, 03:53:14 AM
You mean boy watching...

No, I doubt that Ernst Ludwig was a pedophile, interested in pre-pubescent boys. Even though all homosexual actions were criminal according to the penal law of the German Empire, sexual majority was 14 years. (Which it remains in Germany.) The "stable boys" referred to by his ex-wife were certainly not children, but adolescents or young men.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on May 04, 2014, 01:39:05 PM
'Boy' in English usage can refer to teenage lads just as much as pre-adolescents. But I agree that Ernst Ludwig's 'stable boys' were most likely 16+.

For an aristocrat to be chasing after stable boys, who would fear repercussions if they said no, was reprehensible ( just think of the disapproval over the master of the household, or his son, seducing the servant girls).

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Превед on May 04, 2014, 05:49:51 PM
'Boy' in English usage can refer to teenage lads just as much as pre-adolescents.
Indeed. Ernst Ludwig might have described himself as "an old boy".
(In German this is more problematic, with the archaïc Knabe meaning a male before or in the early stages of puberty and the contemporary Junge having the original meaning "young(ster)".)

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For an aristocrat to be chasing after stable boys, who would fear repercussions if they said no, was reprehensible ( just think of the disapproval over the master of the household, or his son, seducing the servant girls).

If it really happened it was an abuse of his position, but it does look rather wholesome compared to the many young girls whose lives were ruined when their masters got them pregnant and abandoned them and their children born into a prejudiced world as bastards. What makes it sad is that Ernst Ludwig was one of the people who could have lobbied to repeal § 175 of the German Imperial Criminal Code (in force untill 1969), which made homosexual acts a crime. (With about 300-400 charges and convictions each year.)

Perhaps few people know that the world's very first self-identified gay person and gay rights activist was Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, from Aurich in East Frisia, who was forced to resign as a judge in the Kingdom of Hannover and denied the right to practise as a lawyer because of his homosexuality. His public coming-out at the annual congress of German lawyers in Munich (!) in 1867, where he appealed to de-criminalize homosexuality, led to turmoils! He went into exile in Italy and made his living as a Latin scholar.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 04, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
I think he also went to Capri which is close to Naples and a gay paradise.

Also Ernst Ludwig was deemed effeminate by his wife Ducky & mother-in-law, since he enjoys doing embroidery in the evening. They exclaimed "He is no man ! " 
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 05, 2014, 03:31:34 PM
Let's not get too far off the topic of George Donatus and his family please.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 07, 2014, 04:44:59 AM
The father-in-law...I wonder if Georg knows about his father's secret garden ?
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on May 07, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
Here we go again.

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 08, 2014, 01:35:00 AM
Not really Ann. It is important to know about their relationship.

Eric
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on May 08, 2014, 04:00:05 AM
There is also such a thing as labouring a subject to death.

In any event, I doubt there is any definite evidence. No convenient diary entry from Georg Donatus saying, 'Today I was walking in the garden and found Papa gazing at the stable boys through binoculars'.

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on May 08, 2014, 08:32:15 AM
At any rate, that discussion would go under Ernie's thread. This thread is for George Donatus and his family--Cecilie and their children. Ernie's relationships with his children (Elizabeth, George Donatus and Ludwig) belong in that thread.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: 1130 WNEW on October 01, 2015, 07:37:54 AM
Did Johanna really have the legal title "Princess of Hesse and by Rhine"? There had been no Grand Duchy of Hesse for 18 years by 1936.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Превед on October 01, 2015, 12:09:55 PM
Did Johanna really have the legal title "Princess of Hesse and by Rhine"? There had been no Grand Duchy of Hesse for 18 years by 1936.

No, she did not have a constitutionally recognized title.
After the abolition of the German monarchies and the privileges of the nobility, royals and nobles were allowed to use their (non-sovereign) titles as legal surnames. (As officially registered surnames they were protected by the law and could not be assumed by just anyone. And they were allowed to be gender-specific.)

The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.

Johanna was thus born as Johanna Marina Eleonore Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen. "Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen" was her legal surname and she could thus be legally adressed as Fräulein Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen.

Before 1918 she would also have had the legal style Ihre großherzogliche Hoheit / Her Grand-Ducal Highness and had her title (referring to the state and not the dynasty) prefixed to her name, as Prinzessin Johanna von Hessen und bei Rhein. Landgräfin would not be a title in common usage before 1918, but a part of the dynastic inheritance she was entitled to share in.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: 1130 WNEW on December 06, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
Johanna is an even more tragic figure then her father, mother and brothers.

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Death speaks:

There was a merchant in Baghdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, "Master, just now when I was in the market-place I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture; now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there death will not find me." The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went.

Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, "Why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning?" "That was not a threatening gesture," I said, "it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Baghdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra."
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Kalafrana on December 06, 2016, 12:09:35 PM
Apposite story. Where does it come from?

Ann
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Marc on February 19, 2017, 05:30:59 AM


The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.



What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: Превед on February 19, 2017, 09:27:28 AM
What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.

Based on https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Hessen#Heutiger_Name (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Hessen#Heutiger_Name) I'd say H-P-(B) also use(d) Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as surnames.
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: JGP on February 21, 2017, 01:33:24 PM


The lines Hesse-Kassel and Hesse-Darmstadt had decided to use the titles Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen / Prinzessin und Landgräfin von Hessen as their surname henceforward.



What was with Hessen-Philippsthal and Hessen-Philippsthal-Barchfeld style after 1918?

Both lines of the family were still existent after the fall of the Empire in 1918...today only Hessen-Philippsthal-Barcheld and Hessen-Kassel lines exist.

See this thread...  Houses of Hesse - branches and titles   http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=745.0
Title: Re: Georg Donatus of Hesse, and his family
Post by: 1130 WNEW on September 20, 2018, 06:32:10 AM
The Hessian grand ducal family only joined the Nazi party because they had the vain hope that they would get their Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine back. Had the House of Hesse-Darmstadt not been wiped out by the plane crash and little Johanna von Hessen's fatal illness, they would have done what the rest of the rank-and-file Nazi party members did in 1945 - burned their party cards and melted back into society.