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Books and Films about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Books about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Topic started by: Teddy on June 27, 2012, 10:38:29 AM

Title: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on June 27, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
New, at van Hoogstraten. The 1917 & 1918 diaries of Tsar Nicholas and Empress Alexandra at www.hoogstraten.nl in English. Order now.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Sarushka on June 28, 2012, 08:17:21 AM
direct link to Alexandra's diary (http://www.hoogstraten.nl/theshop/product_info.php?products_id=602&osCsid=8fb04b4cf356f33efde9f4835a292268)

direct link to Nicholas's diary (http://www.hoogstraten.nl/theshop/product_info.php?products_id=601&osCsid=8fb04b4cf356f33efde9f4835a292268)

Do you have any more information on these books, Teddy? Such as who is the translator/editor, and whether the diaries have been abridged? Compared to my other versions of AF & NII's 1917-18 diaries, the page count on these volumes is quite small, which makes me wonder if all the original entries are included.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on June 28, 2012, 10:14:00 AM
Dear Sarushka,

The book has been done by a certain dr. S. de Angelis. It are paperback books, with some photos. The books are 21 by 28 centimeters. As far I know these versions are not abridged. And 100 pages. I think that is pretty much. On every page about 3 or 4 diary entries, with footnotes.

Gerjo
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Inok Nikolai on June 28, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
Also see:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=16782.msg508559#msg508559
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Tsarfan on June 29, 2012, 07:34:13 AM
Moderators, could you perhaps correct the spelling of Nicholas in the title of this thread so that it will come up on a thread title search?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on June 29, 2012, 11:37:50 AM
Yes please, I even didn't notice. Oops.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nichakas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Sarushka on June 30, 2012, 07:17:37 AM
Moderators, could you perhaps correct the spelling of Nicholas in the title of this thread so that it will come up on a thread title search?

Thanks.

Done.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: koloagirl on June 30, 2012, 06:06:05 PM

Aloha!

I'm hoping these books will be available at Librarie Galignani in Paris - they have tons of royalty themed books and there were so many on the
Romanovs that I hadn't seen before!

I'll be there in September, so I'll definitely be looking for these - thanks for the information on them!

Janet R.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on July 01, 2012, 01:40:48 AM
No these books are not available through Librarie Galignani
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Helen on July 07, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
I received my copy of Tsar Nicholas II's 1917-1918 diaries translated by Stephen R. de Angelis earlier this week. :)
The diaries are unabridged, as far as I can see. Due to the relative large page size, one page covers the entries of approximately one week, which explains the relatively small page count.  
I compared the translations of some entries with the Russian originals, as published in the 1991 Orbita edition, and think the translation is fine.  
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on July 07, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
The translation is indeed fine. We must be glad that someone has translated them in English, for those who cant read Russian.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Sarushka on July 07, 2012, 03:51:17 PM
I received my copy of Tsar Nicholas II's 1917-1918 diaries translated by Stephen R. de Angelis earlier this week. :)
The diaries are unabridged, as far as I can see. Due to the relative large page size, one page covers the entries of approximately one week, which explains the relatively small page count.  
I compared the translations of some entries with the Russian originals, as published in the 1991 Orbita edition, and think the translation is fine.  

Thanks -- that's very helpful info.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 07, 2012, 08:10:42 PM
I received my copy of Tsar Nicholas II's 1917-1918 diaries translated by Stephen R. de Angelis earlier this week. :)
The diaries are unabridged, as far as I can see. Due to the relative large page size, one page covers the entries of approximately one week, which explains the relatively small page count.  
I compared the translations of some entries with the Russian originals, as published in the 1991 Orbita edition, and think the translation is fine.  

  I have had the opportunity to speak a couple of times with Stephen de Angelis, a fine, courteous and VERY knowledgeable gentleman.
  He attended the burial (and subsequent ceremonies) of the Empress Dowager at the Cathedral in the Fortress of SS. Peter and Paul.         AP.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: blessOTMA on July 07, 2012, 11:34:14 PM
Unabridged, and a fine translation? This is great news indeed !
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Georgiy on July 08, 2012, 03:11:13 AM
Is the 1917 diary of the Empress unabridged? I've only seen parts of it in a Russian book before.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Teddy on July 08, 2012, 04:55:07 AM
Georgiy, personally I think that if the diaries of the Tsar are unabridged, that you can consider the diaries of the Empress Alexandra also unabridged.

So, if you want to order them, its is possible at Van Hoogstraten: www.hoogstaten.nl
And on the moment, the only bookstore, who sells them.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Sarushka on July 08, 2012, 08:20:57 AM
Is the 1917 diary of the Empress unabridged? I've only seen parts of it in a Russian book before.

If you want to read the original Russian it's available unabridged in this set (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=94).
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Helen on July 09, 2012, 01:34:37 AM
Is the 1917 diary of the Empress unabridged? I've only seen parts of it in a Russian book before.
If you want to read the original Russian it's available unabridged in this set (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=94).
Didn't the Empress write her diaries in the English language? Nicholas' diaries in this Russian edition may present the original texts, but the Empress' are Russian translations.
As the original of her 1917 diary apparently got lost, the Russian translation of her 1917 diary that was made in the 1920s and is now held at the state archive in Moscow nevertheless may be the closest to an original that has been preserved.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Sarushka on July 09, 2012, 08:30:40 AM
Didn't the Empress write her diaries in the English language? Nicholas' diaries in this Russian edition may present the original texts, but the Empress' are Russian translations.
As the original of her 1917 diary apparently got lost, the Russian translation of her 1917 diary that was made in the 1920s and is now held at the state archive in Moscow nevertheless may be the closest to an original that has been preserved.

You're absolutely right -- I misspoke. Thanks.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Georgiy on July 09, 2012, 04:31:13 PM
Thanks for the information!
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on July 09, 2012, 07:01:58 PM
It looks like the Russians have problems with diaries ect getting lost. I have heard from a Beligan historian that in 1940 they tried to evacuate the belgian army records to England in to batches. The first which had records up to August 1918 made it. The second which had all the records from later on was captured by the Germans. They kept them in storage near berlin and the Russians captured them in 1945. The Belgians didn't get them back until after the fall of Communism and it required a visit from their King to do this. There are gaps in the records and the Russians don't know where they are. If someone was to stumble upon them you might want to let the beligans know. As for the missing OTMA diaries they may have burned their last ones but based on the above it appears they may have been lost or stolen. Who knows someone might find one or more some day. Note: I have heard of records being stolen or lost by the british PRO and the US National archives. Just thought you would like to know.
Title: Re: Diaries of tsar Nicholas & Empress Alexandra
Post by: Griae on July 14, 2012, 10:54:18 AM
I just received my copy of the diary of tsar Nicolas from from Hoogstraten books in The Hague. (easy way for me, since I live in The Netherlands)
I must admit, I was hoping for a better looking book, as shallow as that may sound. (it looks a bit like a boring textbook, I am sorry to say)
But reading tsar Nicolas his own words, knowing what we know now, makes owning this book very special and I am really happy with it.

greetings, Griae