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Title: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 20, 2009, 03:13:30 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_z3791639.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/z3791639.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on January 26, 2009, 02:58:31 AM
Thanks for the photo, Ally! What was her illness then in this photo?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on January 26, 2009, 07:06:33 AM
Or train/car accident from early 1915?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2009, 04:08:10 AM
Or train/car accident from early 1915?

Spasibo (thank you) 8)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 30, 2009, 05:37:37 AM
well, I´m not sure... If it was after the terrible accident, I don´t think she would look so relaxed... It may have been just some insignificant illness...
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on January 30, 2009, 09:04:46 AM
She became health later, she injured badly, and it is posible as you said, Ally. There are more from Beniecke in her bed.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on January 30, 2009, 09:18:46 AM
I think it's most likely the train accident. She had a long convalescent period afterward, and IMO the most painful part of her recovery would likely have occurred in the hospital.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 30, 2009, 08:55:04 PM
 
I think it's most likely the train accident. She had a long convalescent period afterward, and IMO the most painful part of her recovery would likely have occurred in the hospital.

True, but she looks seriously different than in her earlier photos with the really big hair. In fact at first I didn't  think it was AV at all or possibly much later. But being long term bedridden does a job on anyone's appearance.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 02, 2009, 04:02:09 AM
I think Anna Vyrubova's so lucky to have the Romanovs as her friends. She even resided there at AP and been treated as their own blood.
But, she also suffered when the IF was imprisoned..totally, physically and emotionally.
I'm glad there's one like her (and there were many like her who remained faithful to the family (",)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 02, 2009, 05:00:08 AM
She lived near AP. But I think that woman perfectly knew to act in every situation. Yes, she was suffered while IF arrest. But she escaped later...but after terribly months at Petropavlovsk. She also burned correspondence on relation Rasputin- Anna - Alix, despite she said to 1917 Commission that she didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 02, 2009, 08:01:58 AM
AP in the black circle, Vyrubova's house by the arrow:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_Vyrubovamap.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=Vyrubovamap.jpg)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/AnyasHouse.gif)

(At the time of the revolution, Anna had measles and was staying in the AP.)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 02, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
Thanks for those pics, Sarushka.
Did Anna act somehow like a mother to OTMAA? It's just because she's so close to them, so, I think she is.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 02, 2009, 10:29:33 AM
Anya was only 11 years older than Olga N, and acted very childish and fawning around the imperial family, so I think she was more like a big sister or friend to OTMAA. Alexandra often referred to her as "childy" or "our big baby."
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 02, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
Wow, sweet Alix...What are those pains suffered by Anna then a little before the Russian Revolution?
I've read that OT prayed for Anna's legs.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 02, 2009, 11:08:29 AM
Info on measles here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles). Anna caught measles from Aleksei and was confined to bed in the AP during the February revolution of 1917.

However, Anna Vyrubova's legs were crushed in a rail accident in early January of 1915. She wasn't expected to live, but did, and walked with crutches and a cane afterward. Perhaps that's when O&T were praying for her legs.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 02, 2009, 02:45:45 PM
She survived, and was health later. She had husband, they weren't close, often not together, since he lived at Crimea, and was there often. Of course, Anna V. often accompanied with IF on their trips, and by the way, had a link to Rasputin and told to Tsarina what is happening around him. 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 03, 2009, 09:57:46 AM
Wow, sweet Alix...

Well, she also called her "cow" sometimes.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 03, 2009, 10:37:24 AM
Wow, sweet Alix...

Well, she also called her "cow" sometimes.

LOL That's quite funny. :D :D
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 03, 2009, 03:44:20 PM
I have heard it too, but I don't know if she was joking to Ana V. or not? Probably Anna thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 03, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: koloagirl on February 03, 2009, 07:53:55 PM

Aloha all!

Wasn't Anna's marriage annulled?  I know that she was actually "married" a very short time in terms of being with her husband - and when she was examined during the Revolution she was declared a "virgin".

I've always thought that chapter in her life was very sad - she obviously had little or no interest in him nor he in her.  All of her devotion and love was given over to the Imperial Family.

I've always been a "softie" when it came to Anna V. - while she may have been immature and selfish sometimes - I truly think she loved the IF and remained devoted to them for life.

Malama Pono,
Janet R.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 03, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
I don't think she was unhappy after divorce, since she hadn't much interest in him. And yes, after she became very unhappy, after 1917., I mean.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 04, 2009, 04:23:42 AM
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 04, 2009, 09:08:34 AM
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 04, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
It is quite possible. Always was interested in Anna - Alexandra's relationship.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 05, 2009, 03:30:32 AM
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.

Thanks for this, Sarah. When did she marry, btw?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 05, 2009, 05:35:44 AM
Anna married Alexander Vasilievich Vyrubov, a naval officer, even though she was warned by Rasputin that the marriage would be an unhappy one.[2] The couple eventually divorced.

From Wiki, and I read it in Rasputin's File. I guess during her stay at Court.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Rodney_G. on February 05, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
Was she fixed-married then with her husband? I suppose she was.

If I recall correctly, the empress played a role in bringing Anna and her husband together, perhaps encouraging the match. Some have speculated that a sense of guilt over Anna's unhappy marriage may have motivated Alexandra to befriend Anna after the union dissolved.

I suspect we have the same sources in mind for this thought but I would put it a little more strongly, that is, that the empress really wanted AV to marry this man. We know of the failure of this marriage now, of course, but my understanding is that a lot of the problems with it (with AV and AT) were known or reasonably to be expected at the time the wedding took place. Anya was quite young and no one would say she was very mature. Alexander Taneev was possibly not thought a great catch. I don't know about his looks but there were possible issues with bisexuality and  a not great constitution. He eventually ended up spending more time , if not money, in gambling than with AV.
Thus, the Prov. Gov't inquiry that identified Anya's virginity may have been right about this.
Clearly not a matchmaking success  for Alexandra and she may well have felt some guilt or at least responsibility for Anya thereafter.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Lemur on February 05, 2009, 08:18:48 PM

Anya was quite young and no one would say she was very mature.

According to her own memoirs, Anya was married in 1907, making her 23 years old. That is not 'quite young', in fact, it was a little past prime age for brides in those days.

I don't feel guilt over the bad marriage led Alexandra to befriend her; they had already been close for a few years, beginning with Anya's near death from a fever in 1903. She was officially presented to court in 1905.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 06, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)

According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 06, 2009, 01:19:15 PM
I don't think Alexandra ever called Anya "the cow" to her face. As far as I know the empress only used that nickname for Vyrubova in letters or conversations with NOTMAA. Seems like it was a private family joke. ;-)

According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 06, 2009, 04:56:38 PM
LOL Are you serios?! :o I've never heard about that. :o
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 06, 2009, 07:27:06 PM
Wow, good information! I've just heard about those right here.
Oo...yes. I see some of Anna V.'s pictures with Nicky and I can say that they both are so close like friends only.
It's not really true. If Alexandra got that jealous anyway, she may have sent Anna away from her family, right? 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 06, 2009, 08:20:29 PM
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

I disagree with many of Radzinsky's opinions regarding Vyrubova. Is that in The Last Tsar?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: imperial angel on February 06, 2009, 09:27:31 PM
Yes, that's in the Last Tsar.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 07, 2009, 02:40:52 AM
But in Rasputin's File E. Razdinsky's opinion about A. V is not very nice, but I don't know what to think -- she indeed was a link between Tsarina and that man.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 03:26:42 AM
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


According to Radzinski Alexandra was jealous of Anna, and because of that called her "cow".

I disagree with many of Radzinsky's opinions regarding Vyrubova. Is that in The Last Tsar?

Thanks for this explanation, Sarushka!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 07, 2009, 07:11:24 AM
In La Fin des Romanovs, the author confirms this and used some quotes from Alix's letters to Nicky from 1914 and later... Apparently, Alix thought that Nicky was cheating on her with Anna V... The author thinks that's maybe because of her nervous nature that Alix wrote such things.

I've never read anything that suggested Alexandra believed Nicholas had any sort of romantic feelings for Anya. The empress was sometimes annoyed with what we today would call Anya's infatuation with the tsar, but as far as I know Nicholas never gave Alexandra any reason to be suspicious of his fidelity. In fact, in a few of her wartime letters Alexandra basically asks Nicholas to humor Anya -- apparently Anya could be even more irritating when she didn't get enough attention from her imperial friends.


I shall translated the quotes soon. But the author says that either it was a 'game' between Nicky and Alix or that was Alix's nerves which made her moody.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2009, 07:43:16 AM
I shall translated the quotes soon. 

If they are from the wartime letters, I have those in English. If you tell me the dates I can type them up and save you some work.


But the author says that either it was a 'game' between Nicky and Alix or that was Alix's nerves which made her moody. (http://But the author says that either it was a 'game' between Nicky and Alix or that was Alix's nerves which made her moody.)

I could agree with the idea that it was a sort of game between the imperial couple.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: imperial angel on February 07, 2009, 08:02:57 AM
Defintely. Radzonsky writes of it as if it were reality though, to my best recollection. Of course, he isn't always accurate. It struck me as inaccurate when I first read the Last Tsar which was a very long time ago now, but after all this time,I still distinctly remember that part of the book.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 07, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
Sarushka, I don't have any precise dates about those letters, it is only said that they are from 1914 and later...
Here are some quotes. I first put them in French this way if any French speaker thinks I did a mistake in the translation, this person could tell me. :)

"Que personne n'ose dire "tu m'appartiens"! Tu es à moi, tout à moi, pas à elle..."
"That no one dares to say "you belong to me"! You're mine, all mine, not hers..."

"Si nous ne tenons pas bon tous les deux, nous aurons encore des scènes et des scandales, comme en Crimée."
"If  both of us don't hold fast, we'll get scenes and scandals again, as it happened in Crimea."

"Tu verras que dès notre retour elle te dira combien terriblement elle a souffert de ton absence..."
"You'll see that once we return she'll tell you how dreadfully she suffered from you absence."

"Chéri, tu brûles ses lettres pour qu'elles ne tombent jamais dans d'autres mains?"
"Darling, you burn her letters for them not to be discovered by anyone else?"
[translated in a more accurate way to  French it should be: "Darling, you burn her letters for them not to fall in any other hands?" But it quite means the same thing. :) ]

Sorry, it is roughly translated... But it may remind you something, Sarushka?
As you can notice, Alix never directly meant Ania but Pierre Lorrain thinks that's her. So does Radzinsky (sp?) if I remember well.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
Oh yes, Siham. Those authors should have not said that those letters of Alix were for Anna. It's something regarded as misinformation.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 07, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
I agree with Radzinsky and Lorrain that Alexandra is referring to Vyrubova in these letters. However, I don't think they prove that Alexandra was suspicious of a romantic relationship between Nicholas and Vyrubova. Instead, I think they show Alexandra's occasional exasperation with Anna's dramatic scenes, and also that Alexandra realized Anna's letters to the tsar could be misinterpreted if other people read them.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Proud_Olga on February 07, 2009, 04:10:11 PM
However, I don't think they prove that Alexandra was suspicious of a romantic relationship between Nicholas and Vyrubova.

Neither does Lorrain. That's why he brings the theory of a game between the couple.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2009, 07:19:56 PM
aahh. So that's what it is. I'm sleared out againThak you Sarushka and Siham.
Are there any available letters of Ania to Nicky such that? 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Jose II on February 13, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
I came across with this ancestry of Countess Alexandra von Schonborn, princess Franceso of B.Sicilies.

One of her ancestors was Vyroubov.
Could he be related to Anna or was that a common family name ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=A&i=1148738&v=6&t=N&sosab=10&siblings=on&notes=on&src=on&bd=0&color=
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 13, 2009, 02:43:07 PM
Are there any available letters of Ania to Nicky such that? 

I don't recall ever seeing any, nor any letters from A.V. to Alexandra, for that matter. IMO, the imperial couple likely burned their letters from Vyrubova. Following Rasputin's murder there were death threats against Vyrubova, so I think N&A were aware that their friend was not popular with the public.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 13, 2009, 02:59:43 PM
Alexandra indeed burned letters, like Vyrburova did. For Nicholas I am not certain. What about 1917 - 1918 correspondence, Sarushka? Children wrote to her,I know. N&A? 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Lemur on February 13, 2009, 03:37:45 PM
Yes Nena you are correct. Both Anna and Alexandra did burn some personal correspondence during the 1917 revolution. In Anna's book, there are some letters between the two while the family was in Tobolsk, using code names. Alexandra called Anna "Sister Seraphine" and signed herself as "Sinful sister Feodora."

You are also right that the children wrote to her. The letters are here:

http://alexanderpalace.org/russiancourt/XXII.html
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Lemur on February 13, 2009, 03:42:25 PM
I came across with this ancestry of Countess Alexandra von Schonborn, princess Franceso of B.Sicilies.

One of her ancestors was Vyroubov.
Could he be related to Anna or was that a common family name ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en&m=A&i=1148738&v=6&t=N&sosab=10&siblings=on&notes=on&src=on&bd=0&color=

This person could not be related to Anna, only possibly her ex husband. Vyrubov(a) was her married name. Her family name was Taneyev(a)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 13, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
What about 1917 - 1918 correspondence, Sarushka? Children wrote to her,I know. N&A? 

Lemur is correct that the imperial family wrote to Vyrubova during their captivity. However, the whole family burned the majority (perhaps all) of the letters they'd received in captivity when Yakovlev arrived in Tobolsk in April of 1918.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 13, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
For female members surname is with 'a'. Thank you, Lemur for your link and infos!  ;)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Lemur on February 13, 2009, 04:08:57 PM
On the subject of "jealousy" over Nicholas, I found this in the same chapter of Anna's book, just below the letters:

http://alexanderpalace.org/russiancourt/XXII.html

She had her human faults and failings, as she freely admits. Some of these traits can be described, as the French express it, as "the faults of her quality." Thus her great love for her husband, which never ceased to be romantic and youthful, caused her at times cruel heart pangs. Because this has nothing to do with her life or her story I should not allude to the one cloud that ever came between us-jealousy. I should leave that painful, fleeting episode alone, knowing that she would wish it forgotten, except that in certain letters which have been published she herself has spoken of it so bitterly that were I to omit mention of it entirely I might be accused of suppressing facts.

I have, I think, spoken frankly of the preference of the Emperor for my society at times, in long walks, in tennis, in conversation. In the early part of 1914 the Empress was ill, very low-spirited, and full of morbid reflections. She was much alone, as the Emperor was occupied many hours every day, arid the children were busy with their lessons. In the Emperor's leisure moments he developed a more than ordinary desire for my companionship, perhaps only because I was an entirely healthy, normal woman, heart and soul devoted to the family, and one from whom it was never necessary to keep anything secret. We were much together in those days, and before either of us realized it the Empress became mortally jealous and suspicious of every movement of her husband and of myself. In letters written during this period, especially from the Crimea during the spring of 1914, the Empress said some very unkind and cruel things of me, or at least I should consider them cruel if they had not been rooted in illness, and in physical and mental misery. Of course the Court knew of the estrangement between us, and I regret to say that there were many who delighted in it and did what they could to make it permanent. My only real friends were Count Fredericks, Minister of the Court, and his two daughters, who stood by me loyally and kept me in courage.

That this illusion of jealousy was entirely dissipated, that the Empress finally realized that my love and devotion for her precluded any possibility of the things she feared, her letters to me from Siberia amply demonstrate. Our friendship became more deeply cemented than before, and nothing but death can ever sever the bond between us.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 17, 2009, 03:37:01 AM
Wow, I've never seen this, lemur. Thank you soo much!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Erika on February 17, 2009, 11:08:59 AM
Wow Lemur! Thank you!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on February 22, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 23, 2009, 11:58:05 AM
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

Yes, Ana Vyrubova was born on July 16th, 1884, and Alix was born on November 1st, 1872.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on February 23, 2009, 12:30:34 PM
July 16th -- interesting. (I think Alexandra though about her on same day in 1918). BTW, if calendares matches, of course.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 23, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
July 16th -- interesting. (I think Alexandra though about her on same day in 1918). BTW, if calendares matches, of course.

LOL Unfortunately I don't know which calendar that is... silly me... :-[
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: imperial angel on February 23, 2009, 01:42:38 PM
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

Yes, Ana Vyrubova was born on July 16th, 1884, and Alix was born on November 1st, 1872.

Alexandra was born on June 6, not Nov 1st. It was Alexandra's sister Ella who was born on Nov Ist.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Tina Laroche on February 23, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
I just knew last night that Anna V. is younger than Alexandra! I thought they were just the  same age! No offence for Anna V.

Yes, Ana Vyrubova was born on July 16th, 1884, and Alix was born on November 1st, 1872.

Alexandra was born on June 6, not Nov 1st. It was Alexandra's sister Ella who was born on Nov Ist.

Really? Sorry then, got it wrong. I was arguing wit my brother when I wrote it, so I wasn't very concentrated. :(
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 10, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_vyrobova_aa.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/vyrobova_aa.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_vyrubova-02.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/vyrubova-02.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_vyrubova-03.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/vyrubova-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Rodney_G. on March 16, 2009, 06:33:11 PM

Anya was quite young and no one would say she was very mature.

According to her own memoirs, Anya was married in 1907, making her 23 years old. That is not 'quite young', in fact, it was a little past prime age for brides in those days.

I don't feel guilt over the bad marriage led Alexandra to befriend her; they had already been close for a few years, beginning with Anya's near death from a fever in 1903. She was officially presented to court in 1905.

Sorry for delay in this reply. I must admit I didn't realise AV was 23 when she married; thought it was younger. I do assert that , though not chronologically that young, she was very inexperienced, and in a certain sense, more of a girl than a woman.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on June 01, 2009, 05:16:37 PM

not sure what's going on with those men in the back.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/3740307_1734c3fa_1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on July 22, 2009, 01:01:44 AM
Sorry for reposting: Anna V in wedding gown (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0078/1001164.jpg) Anna V in wedding gown1 (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0078/1001162.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on July 22, 2009, 07:18:51 AM
Sorry for reposting: Anna V in wedding gown (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0078/1001164.jpg) Anna V in wedding gown1 (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0078/1001162.jpg)

I don't think that's Anna Vyrubova. Could it be her sister?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on July 22, 2009, 06:08:19 PM
I had doubts too. Anna and Sana were quite alike, so it is highly possible. I know only for Vyrubova 1903 court dress photo. And is that wedding - dress? I doubt, reading they rarely toke their marrying photos.

Sana(Alexandra) Pistolkors with her husband and Vyrubova with Rasputin, March of 1914 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1368.msg376879#msg376879).

Vyrubova and Sana :

http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/R/Foto/Rasputin/B62_63.jpg
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on July 22, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Whoever it is, it's someone I've seen before.

Ally, do those photos come from Beinecke? If so, do you remember which album?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on July 23, 2009, 03:24:14 AM
I'm not Ally (",)
I've taken those from Beinecke. Photo Album 5.

I thought it's Anna because of her figure. I also don't know that she looked much alike her sister.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on July 23, 2009, 07:35:52 AM
I'm not Ally (",)

Whoops -- avatar confusion! ;~)


I've taken those from Beinecke. Photo Album 5.

Thanks. I've found the photos on page 26 (http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/romanov/oneITEM.asp?pid=1001161&iid=1001161&srchtype=). The first captioned "Alya" in Vyrubova's writing. There's also one of Vyrubova's father in the same series, so I suspect this woman is a family member or close friend.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on July 23, 2009, 07:51:25 AM
Thanks, Sarushka. Photo No.# 5 is interesting --- labeled as 'Tolstaya s sinom' (Tolstaya with son ). It was nee surname of mother of A.V, Nadezhda. 'Alya' was indeed sister of A.V.  ;-)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 23, 2009, 08:03:41 AM
About the photo that Douglas posted in the reply #91, who are the men with Anna Vyrubova?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Snegurochka on November 09, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Does anyone know if Anya's deposition from 1918 is online, and if so, where?  Thank you -
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on November 09, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
Here are interesting photos.
Vyrubova as nun Maria(She was a hidden nun Sister) and served in Valaam Monastery(Karelia,Russia)
And her grave photo(Helsinki)
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/779/vyrubova1.jpg) (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/vyrubova1.jpg/)(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/vyrubova1.jpg/1/w381.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img109/vyrubova1.jpg/1/)
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4267/vyrubova2.jpg) (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/vyrubova2.jpg/)(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/vyrubova2.jpg/1/w360.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img200/vyrubova2.jpg/1/)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on November 10, 2009, 04:18:35 AM
Close-up of the grave

(http://nd02.blog.cz/279/638/81394dcd39_53597500_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on November 10, 2009, 04:26:17 AM
Des someone here know the link to her unpublished memoirs? I'm dying looking for it.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on November 10, 2009, 06:49:21 AM
Posting on behalf of Rudy3 :)

Seems an inscription "Nun Maria" was added to the tombstone.
(http://nd03.blog.cz/652/344/426ec8331f_56271612_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on November 10, 2009, 09:32:01 AM
Yes the words that written there are exactly "Nun Maria".Very interesting, I'd never knew that on her grave she was described as nun Maria.
Here the photos of the Monastery where Vyrubova became nun, and island itself(made by me). Monastery is called Valaam Man Monastery(Orthodox) and situated on Valaam Island just in the center of the Lake Ladoga. This island is reachable only by water. Monastery exist nowadays and have a big number of monks. The island itself is very beautiful, carved with spruces, rocks and stones. Typical Finnish, Swedish or Northern Russian landscape.
The only thing that I can't understand is how Vyrubova became nun there? Because this Monastery is exclusively man Monastery(only monks, no nuns). Maybe someone can answer this question?
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5779/21790279.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/21790279.jpg/)(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/21790279.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img52/21790279.jpg/1/)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1254/55642793.jpg) (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/55642793.jpg/)(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/55642793.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img692/55642793.jpg/1/)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4812/78042137.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/78042137.jpg/)(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/78042137.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img80/78042137.jpg/1/)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/859/35738954.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/35738954.jpg/)(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/35738954.jpg/1/w600.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img80/35738954.jpg/1/)
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/840/15363901.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/15363901.jpg/)(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/15363901.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img52/15363901.jpg/1/)
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5093/58280137.jpg) (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/58280137.jpg/)(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/58280137.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img442/58280137.jpg/1/)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6026/69268184.jpg) (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/69268184.jpg/)(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/69268184.jpg/1/w630.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img80/69268184.jpg/1/)

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Snegurochka on November 10, 2009, 01:54:52 PM
Thanks for posting those pictures, Nicola, they are great!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on November 11, 2009, 06:06:15 AM
Thanks for the compliment Snegurochka.
I'd found another very interesting fact about Vyrobova. She was thoroughly familiar with Mannerheim.
In 1940, when Vyborg was transfered to the Soviet union, she going to Finland and live temporarily near the town Kiorio. Vyrubuva was afraid and wrote a letter to Mannerheim.
At her request, Marshal Mannerheim, wrote the following letter:
   "Over thirty(!) years I am familiar with Mrs. Anna Taneyeva, with her parents and respected by many members of their family, and I ask that all those who will be in contact with the Mrs. Taneeva - much to suffered woman, moreover, became disabled after train accident - would be with her sympathetically and with understanding."
    Helsinki. June 11, 1940. Military Marshal Mannerheim.

The letter reassured and gave a sense of security to Anna Vyrubova.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on November 11, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
Autumn 1939 when the so called "winter war" between Finland and the Soviet Union started, Anna Taneeva fled to Sweden. She returned to Finland a year later and lived for some time in Haminanlahti Manor, near to Kuopio (not Kiorio!).
It is too much to say, that she was "thoroughly" familiar. They have met several times (more than twenty years earlier!), but were not that familiar. In the end Mannerheim did not do much to help Anna Taneeva in later years, when she even asked for help.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on November 11, 2009, 01:37:19 PM
I will not argue, I'm not a such big expert of Anna Vyrubova.
At the same time, I think that Mannerheim had a lot of businesses and concerns, in addition to Anna Vyrubova. He cared more about Finland:). Results of his care is on our eyes. And the fact that he helped her even in this way, telling us a lot about him.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Snegurochka on November 11, 2009, 01:50:53 PM
From what I read, Nicola, Anya knew Georgy,  a monk at Valaam who had been the confessor to Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaevich.  Because of his closeness to the imperial family,  he "secretly" made her a nun in 1919.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on November 11, 2009, 02:03:48 PM
Snegurochka, thank you very much. Now I can understand this. I've always kept thinking of how she became a nun in the Man Monastery?! Only Anna Vyrubova was able to do it:)
  You are such an experts of Anna Vyrubova. My respect to you.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 03, 2009, 12:23:42 PM
Does anyone have pictures from Ana Vyrubova's house in tzarskoye selo?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on December 03, 2009, 12:54:44 PM
Here you go:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/anyahouse.html   :)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 03, 2009, 01:22:22 PM
thanks Nena, but i've already saw this picture.

Does anyone have a picture of the house, maybe in colours??

Thanks
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on December 03, 2009, 03:39:20 PM
Here are some shared by AP members in the past:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_avhouseside9nh.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=avhouseside9nh.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_avhouse4jr.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=avhouse4jr.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_weddingavhouse6yr.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=weddingavhouse6yr.jpg)

(In Vyrubova's time, I believe the house was cream-colored)


And some vintage shots:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_B27_28.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=B27_28.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_z3791609.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=z3791609.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/th_av.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Vyrubova/?action=view&current=av.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 03, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
THANK YOU SO MUCH, SARUSKA!

i want to see that because I'm recreating vyrubova's house at my tsarskoye selo on sims2
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 08, 2009, 04:37:17 PM
Did Anna followed IF in their holidays ( to Crimeia or to other places in Russia)?

And how does she spent her days? Does she was always with IF in Alexander Palace?

And finally does she had an appartement in St. petersburg or just that house in Tsarskoye Selo?

I know that are many questions but i love to  know this ..
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on December 08, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
Did Anna followed IF in their holidays ( to Crimeia or to other places in Russia)?

Yes, certainly. She accompanied IF at their trips.


Quote
And how does she spent her days? Does she was always with IF in Alexander Palace?

Mostly. She was just near to them.

As to your last question, I have to check.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 08, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
... Does she was always with IF in Alexander Palace?

And finally does she had an appartement in St. petersburg or just that house in Tsarskoye Selo?

Anya Taneeva moved into the Alexandrovsky Dvoretz (Palace) permanently on Saturday December 17, 1916.

I do not believe she had any property interests in Petrograd.

Margarita
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 08, 2009, 07:42:05 PM
I'm not a big expert of her life, but as I know Vyrubova had an apartment in Saint Petersburg, or to be more correct apartment belonged to Taneevs (including Anna Taneeva). Apartment was in the heart of the Petersburg. Just near Mikhailovsky Palace, ten minutes to Palace square, near Summer Garden, near Moika, Griboedov Channel, Russian Museum. Very beautiful place. This house is exist today

Adress: Saint Petersburg, Enginernaya street, 4.

Photo of a street today.
(http://all-pages.com/img/repphotos2/repphoto_7363_0994.jpg)


*photo from all-pages.com
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 08, 2009, 08:01:38 PM
I'm not a big expert of her life, but as I know Vyrubova had an apartment in Saint Petersburg, or to be more correct apartment belonged to Taneevs (including Anna Taneeva).

Sorry, perhaps I was not as clear as I had hoped. Anya Taneeva did not own property solely in her name in Petrograd.

I would be rather surprised if Anya held joint financial interest regarding her parent's apartment.

Perhaps you have access to specific documentation which may reveal something different?

Margarita  
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 08, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Margarita, I only answered the question and wrote that she lived there, in Taneevs house, on Enginernaya street, and didn't said nothing about property, etc.
Read carefully.

Not such a big expert of Anna Vyrubova,
Regards,
Nicola
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 08, 2009, 09:24:21 PM
... I know Vyrubova had an apartment in Saint Petersburg, or to be more correct apartment belonged to Taneevs (including Anna Taneeva).

It appears that we are interpreting "belong" in two different ways:  legal ownership vs. inhabitant (temporary or permanent).

For the record, according to the City Directory, the Taneev apartment on Ingenernaya Ulitsa 4, belonged to her father alone.

Regards,

Margarita


Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on December 08, 2009, 09:38:04 PM
Anya Taneeva moved into the Alexandrovsky Dvoretz (Palace) permanently on Saturday December 17, 1916.

Permanently? Anna Vyrubova lived in the Alexander Palace for only three months: from 17 December 1916 until her arrest on 21 March 1917.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 08, 2009, 10:00:49 PM
Anya Taneeva moved into the Alexandrovsky Dvoretz (Palace) permanently on Saturday December 17, 1916.

Permanently? Anna Vyrubova lived in the Alexander Palace for only three months: from 17 December 1916 until her arrest on 21 March 1917.

Please recognize that the date I posted here was old style.

Although the period of her residency, as we know, ended up being for a short duration, it was intended to have been "permanent" for the foreseeble future. Her arrest and removal off the premises by the Provisional Government concluded that special arrangement.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on December 09, 2009, 07:48:51 AM
Please recognize that the date I posted here was old style.


I'm aware of that. Both dates I posted for the duration of AV's residence at the AP are old style.

Do you believe AV would have resided permanently with the imperial family if not for the revolution?

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 09, 2009, 02:46:06 PM
Thanks for all the answers ( nena ).

"Belochka", you're a little confused, don't you think?!

:p

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 09, 2009, 11:21:24 PM
Do you believe AV would have resided permanently with the imperial family if not for the revolution?

With all of life's uncertainties, it is impossible to even speculate what might or might not have been.

Margarita  
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 17, 2009, 02:55:25 PM
Does anyone have pics of Anna with IF in her house?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on December 17, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
There are so many of them at Beinecke library supposed to have been taken at AV's house. As well as house's interior.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 28, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
Someone have info, maybe a biography, about Anna's brother Sergei Alexandrovich (1886-1975)?

I haven't found anything about him...
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: pentetorri on December 29, 2009, 12:47:28 AM
Thanks for all the answers ( nena ).

"Belochka", you're a little confused, don't you think?!

:p




Indeed, she is very confused !! ...got me dizzy
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on December 29, 2009, 04:10:14 PM
Thanks for all the answers ( nena ).

"Belochka", you're a little confused, don't you think?!

:p


Indeed, she is very confused !! ...got me dizzy

Message to a moderator of this thread.

Please DELETE this posting plus reply # 127 and reply # 132. The above two postings are not only offensive but they do not add anything of value to the course of this thread.

Thank you in advance.

Margarita
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: pentetorri on December 30, 2009, 12:33:27 AM
Thanks for all the answers ( nena ).

"Belochka", you're a little confused, don't you think?!

:p


Indeed, she is very confused !! ...got me dizzy

Message to a moderator of this thread.

Please DELETE this posting plus reply # 127 and reply # 132. The above two postings are not only offensive but they do not add anything of value to the course of this thread.

Thank you in advance.

Margarita


I find offensive that you find offensive an opinion. Anyway, the moderator is free to censor as she/he pleases. One thing is true neither your post or mine brings anything to the thread, but still some of your posts on this thread made me dizzy.

Happy New Year to all!!!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on December 30, 2009, 06:25:43 AM
Forgott this!

So who can answer me: Someone have info, maybe a biography, about Anna's brother Sergei Alexandrovich (1886-1975)?


Thanks and Belochka you should respect the other's opinions. We are not offend you we only thing you're a little confuse. No Problem!


Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on December 30, 2009, 08:31:44 AM
I have a cd with chamber music of Sergei Taneyev, and it states that he was Anna's father. Is this correct ? Someone has said that he was her cousin.
I am not sure about this, and am a bit confused. One of her male relations was a senior Court official as well.
How do they all fit in ?
The answer is probably in this topic somewhere, but I am too lazy to search for it !
Does anyone know for sure ?

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Justine on December 30, 2009, 12:04:37 PM
as far as one can trust wikipedia Anna's father was Alexander Taneyev, Court official & composer. Sergei Taneyev was A. Taneyev's distant cousin. I think they are right though.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on December 31, 2009, 06:41:03 AM
Yes. Thank you.
By the way, the music is not great. I dont think he was a very good composer, or all that popular in Russia. Not by the standards of the day I think. Certainly not in the same league as Tchaikovsky, Glinka or any of the others.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Justine on December 31, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
I agree-his works aren't very best especially if you compare them to those of Tchaikovsky(who btw is my most favorite composer).
though S. Taneyev was Tchaikovsky's student(if I remember well)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on December 31, 2009, 08:26:59 AM
Dear friends, Happy New Year to all!

Some minor corrections. You little a bit confused two second-cousin nephews;).

Anna's father was another man, not Sergei Ivanovich Taneev (1856-1915), who was a very famous Russian composer of that time and Tchaikovsky student and friend. You can find a lot of his works through the Internet.

Her father was Alexander Sergeevich Taneev (1850-1918), a functionary of a high rank and in addition a composer, but less known and with rather lower musical degree. By the way, he was a student of another great Russian composer Rimsky-Korsakov. Sometime ago I was searching through the internet his musical works, but haven't found anything;(  Even in the Russian internet.

Sergei Ivanovich Taneev and Alexander Sergeevich Taneev were relatives, they were second-cousin nephews.

Also, as I clearly understand morvilaRomanov was asking about Anna's brother:
Taneev Sergei Alexandrovich (19.2.1886, Saint Petersburg - 1975, New York).
He was a rather simple man, compared to both nephews. And worked as a organiser of a different Court ceremonies.
Was married on Princess Tatiana Ilinichna Jorjadze, who died in 1990, also in U.S.A.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on January 04, 2010, 02:20:01 PM
Thanks Nicolá!

Finally someone answer to my question..
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Miek on January 09, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
re posts #91 and #99 by Douglas and RomanovsFan4Ever.
The right man standing in the back is Prince Chakrabongse from Siam (now Thailand).
See wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Chakrabongse_Bhuvanath_of_Siam,_The_Prince_of_Phitsanulok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Chakrabongse_Bhuvanath_of_Siam,_The_Prince_of_Phitsanulok)

I think the men are wearing the uniform of the Corps des Pages for that is where the Prince was studying while in St. Petersburg.

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on January 10, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
MIEK, YOU MADE A MISTAKE.

THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT ANNA VYRUBOVA.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PRINCE YOU HAVE MENTIONED.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Miek on January 10, 2010, 02:49:00 PM

Dear morvilaRomanov,

I know, but Douglas and RomanovFan4Ever asked who the men on the photo with Anna were and as I was so glad to know something too, I made the post ;-))

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on January 10, 2010, 03:49:53 PM
Thank you Miek for your excellent answer  to my question about those gentlemen guests of Miss Anna.  The Corps of Pages is still in operation as a military school for young men of high school age. The original building is still standing.

here is the website for the college...Corps of Pages as it is today:

http://spb-svu.nm.ru/news-3.html

You can translate it with Google Translator site.



Dear morvilaRomanov,

I know, but Douglas and RomanovFan4Ever asked who the men on the photo with Anna were and as I was so glad to know something too, I made the post ;-))


Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on January 14, 2010, 04:17:47 PM
OK.

Sorry Mike!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 19, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
I didn´t know where else to put it....

It seems that chapter 15 of Anna´s book is missing from here http://www.alexanderpalace.org/russiancourt2006/
Or rather - it is the same as chapter 14. Then there is a unlogical leap to chapter 16.

Pleas,e could somebody fix that, so we could get the chapter?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on February 11, 2010, 10:43:45 AM
Could it be that Alexandra and Anja destroyed their correspondence at the same time ? Alexandra burned all the correspondence from her family and friends prior to 1914 in the fireplace of the red drawing room at the Alexander Palace in March 1917, even her letters from Queen Victoria were burnt. The letters from the beginning of the war she kept, as she thought these would prove that she was not a German spy and guilty of treason.
I think all Anna's letters at Tsarskoe  were burned at the same time as Alexandra's. She was staying in the palace sickroom at the time, as she was ill. So it makes sense that perhaps they decided to destoy thier correspondence at the same time. Why would Alexandra destoy her letters from Anna,and Anna not hers from the Empress ? Perhaps this explains the missing correspondence.

She left the Palace after Kerensky's first visit in April 1917, and hardly had enough time to pack her belongings. She left in the same motorcar with Lili Dehn. ( Much to the relief of Baroness Buxhoeveden, who I dont think liked Anna very much).
Alexandra stood in the doorway as the motorcar drove off into the storm that was raging outside. They never saw each other again.

How she managed to get any of her belongings out of her house across the street, and out of the country, is anyones guess. She was sent to the St P & P Fortress very soon afterwards, and remained there untill late in the summer of 1917. So someone else must have arranged it.
If one looks at the photographs of the interior of the house, she had a lot of things. The walls were covered in pictures, and the tables were covered with small kitschy objects. Probably gifts from the children.
 
I Guess it will remain a mystery.   
 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on February 12, 2010, 04:20:50 PM
VERY INTERESTING...

I DIDN'T KNOW THESE THINGS...
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on February 12, 2010, 07:22:01 PM
Quote
Could it be that Alexandra and Anja destroyed their correspondence at the same time ?

I'm doubtful. Vyrubova was stranded at the Alexander Palace in early 1917, first due to illness and later under house arrest; it doesn't seem logical for her to have had access to her collected correspondence during that time. As you point out, she also had no opportunity to collect her belongings from home when she was removed from the AP and incarcerated in the Petropavlovsky fortress.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on February 16, 2010, 09:59:11 PM
Here is a larger version of Anna's parlor at her home in Tsarskoeselo.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annashouse.jpg)

Anna and Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annaolgachair1000426.jpg)

Anna and Empress in the Mauve Room, AP.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annaempress1002271.jpg)



Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on February 16, 2010, 10:21:46 PM
Anna at Livadia
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annacrimea1000481.jpg)

Anna at the Alexander palace
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annnabalcony1001377.jpg)

The Empress - the companion photo
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/empressbalcony1001376.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on February 17, 2010, 05:37:54 AM
Thank you for posting these amazing pictures. I have never seen them before. The balcony pictures are wonderful, and gives one a perspective of the balcony. There is no furniture, which is strange. One therefore presumes that the furniture was only placed outside when the balcony was used by the family.

One thing though, the photograph of the Mauve Room. The wallpaper. Is it the same as the bedroom ? Did both rooms have the same paper and curtains ? 
That looks suspiciously like a brass bed in the background. Also there are so many icons on the wall. Could this be the bedroom ?     
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 17, 2010, 06:42:15 AM
The Mauve room in the picture is actually Imperial bedroom.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on February 17, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
Yes, that photo is the Imperial Bedroom.  Thank you Pavlov and Ally for the correction.  I don't know what I was thinking, if anything...;-))

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on February 17, 2010, 02:49:34 PM
Referring to the photograph in Post 91

Miek said:
'I think the men are wearing the uniform of the Corps des Pages for that is where the Prince was studying while in St. Petersburg.'

I think in fact that what they are wearing is hussar uniform. According to the wiki article on Prince Chakrabongse (if I've spelled that right!), the Prince was commissioned into 'a hussar regiment' on leaving the Corps des Pages, and the photograph in wiki shows him in the same hussar-type uniform as in Post 91.

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on February 17, 2010, 05:29:07 PM
Ann, good eye!

I can add just for the clarity, that this is the photo from same photosession, that the other big number of photos with my beloved Major General Voeikov, first President of the Russian Olympic Committee, big manufacturer and the head of His Majesty's Guards Hussar Regiment from 1907 to 1913, and with other Officers. Anna Vyrubova, as far as I know, was familiar with Major General Voeikov (in addition to other hundreds of stuff, court and famous people;)).

As to the Prince Chakrabongse, he served exactly in His Majesty's Guards Hussar Regiment, including in the times of Voeikov's rule. Here is a good quality photo, where Prince Chakrabongse (standing third from the right), Vyrubova and Voeikov (short bald man rightmost) are together. This photo is from the http://www.pushkin-history.ru and was taken likely in the Voeikov's house.

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3619/455w.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/455w.jpg/)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on February 18, 2010, 03:23:19 AM
Nicola

Many thanks. I wondered about HM Hussar Guards, but on a black and white photograph it is difficult to tell whether the tunic is red or not!

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rosieposie on February 24, 2010, 05:00:33 PM
Thanks for a wonderful thread.   Just wondering how did she offically met Alix?  A curious question.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on February 25, 2010, 06:05:16 AM
 I am probably repeating was has already been posted, but here is the answer to your question, Rosieposie.

Anna Vyrubova, was the daughter of Alexander Taneyev, a popular composer of the time. He was also previously head of the Imperial Chancellery. Her mother was a Tolstoy. Her family was therefore part of Russian High Society. So it was natural that they would come into contact with the Royal family.They owned a country house on the Moskva River, quite close to Illinskoe, the country house of Grand DuKe Serge and his wife Elizabeth. She was the tsarina's sister.

She first met the Tsarina at her fathers house in 1901 I think, and during one of the Tsarina's subsequent visits later in the same year, for a second time.
This was during an epidemic of typhoid and Anna was in hospital. The Tsarina remembered her, and visited her.
When recovered, she was invited to the Alexander Palace for tea. Their friendship was cemented when Empress Alexandra discovered that she could play the piano very well.

After this visit Anna developed a sort of reverence for the Tsarina, and well, the rest is history.
     
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on February 26, 2010, 06:31:23 PM
Well stated Pavlov and another reason that the Empress was very fond of Anna was because she was very uncritical of the Imperial family.  The Empress was often put off by the official ladies-in-waiting because of their hauty and often critical attitude. 

Anna did not put on aires of being highborn as did most of the courtiers of the official court. She loved the Empress and the children for who they were as people and not because they were royals.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rosieposie on February 26, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
Thanks for that  :-)  Another new piece of info to file away in my mind :)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: violetta on March 04, 2010, 06:59:07 AM
a few pictures of anna vyrubova,spala, 1912:

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/00214006.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/00214017.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/00214008.jpg)


(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/00214014.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: RealAnastasia on March 04, 2010, 09:55:24 PM
In the last pic she is with Nicholas and Olga. Isn't she?

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on March 05, 2010, 03:17:23 AM
Do we know who the other people are in the tennis pictures?

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on March 05, 2010, 05:58:09 AM
If my research is correct, I think this is the tennis court at Livadia. The fence and the trees are similar to the photographs I have.
If so, the gentlemen are:

Lieutenant N.N. Rodionov
Lieutenant A I Butakov
Commander N P Sablin

All three were on the "tennis team" at Livadia. Butakov was a well liked officer of the Standart, and the Emperors usual and favourite tennis partner. He was killed at the front in 1914.

The Empress sometimes joined in as a spectator with her friend Princess Orbeliani, who was wheeled out in her chair. This was before her disease progressed to the final stages and she was confined to her room in the Alexander Palace.     
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on March 05, 2010, 07:38:30 AM
Pavlov

Thanks. I always like to know who these 'lesser individuals' are!

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on March 05, 2010, 05:29:01 PM
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6577/347xi.jpg) (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/347xi.jpg/)

If my research is correct, I think this is the tennis court at Livadia. The fence and the trees are similar to the photographs I have.
If so, the gentlemen are:

Lieutenant N.N. Rodionov
Lieutenant A I Butakov
Commander N P Sablin

Pavlov, good version! Your reseach is rather good. But I can't see any of Butakov and Rodionov here;). Anyway, the name of the brave Officer Butakov deserved to be mentioned.

Just some corrections for the total clarity.
In addition to Vyrubova, I can clearly see on this photo:

- Sablin Nikolai Pavlovich (in the center), at that time (1912, I hope this is right year) Senior Lieutenant of the Guard, Fligel Adjutant and head of the Standart. Sablin became Captain of the 2nd rank only in 1914, just before or during the War, as he was appointed to Nicholas II war escort.
- Drenteln Alexander Alexandrovitch (bald man, leftmost), at that time (1912) Colonel of the Guard and Fligel Adjutant, head of the Preobrazhensky of His Majesty's Guards Regiment.
- Volkov Nikolai Alexandrovitch (rightmost), at that time (1912) Flag Captain to the Chief of the brigade battleships of the Baltic Sea squadron. Later he became Rear Admiral and Fligel Adjutant.

And these women, I think that if this photo was taken in Spala (Poland), then most likely these beautiful women are Polish baronesses or countesses. Maybe we have some experts here about Polish nobility who can answer this question.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on March 08, 2010, 10:45:49 AM
Yes thanks. I dont think this is the Livadia tennis court. The posts seem to be different. They appear to have been very keen on tennis, so I would imagine that most members of the suite felt obliged to play. There seems to have been tennis courts at every palace they stayed in.
   
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on March 08, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
Were ADCs appointed on the basis of prowess at tennis, I wonder?

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on March 08, 2010, 06:27:47 PM
Yes thanks. I dont think this is the Livadia tennis court. The posts seem to be different.

You are welcome. Yes this is not Livadia, this photo was taken in Spala. Moreover I think that those big number of photos that you mean (from 2nd Vyrubova album with an endless amount of Naval Officers, like Butakov, Sablin and others) were also not taken in Livadia. Those photos were taken at the Finnish shore.

Were ADCs appointed on the basis of prowess at tennis, I wonder?

Ann

Ha ha, Ann, as I understood you clearly (I think you mean by the word ADCs Adjutant), then of course no! I think that to talk about prowess at tennis/playing abilities among Officers at the beginning of the 20th century, when this sport was on very low professional level is very funny. I think that Vyrubova, Drenteln, Sablin and others just played tennis simply for fun and it was fashionable at that time among the elite circles of the Russian Empire, and at the same time of course they didn't forget about the discussing of all of the newest palace gossip;).
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on March 09, 2010, 03:25:52 AM
Hello Nicola

Yes, I use ADC because adjutant has quite a different meaning in the British army (the adjutant is more or less the personnel manager in a unit).

Ann

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on March 09, 2010, 06:02:52 AM
I would imagine members of the suite were chosen for their prowness, yes. The same probably went for cards, shooting etc. There is nothing worse than a bad tennis partner !!
I cannot imagine though how those ladies ran around a tennis court in those outfits, specially Anja Vyrubova, who was certainly not built for speed !!.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on March 09, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
Not only did the men where long trousers for tennis, but in some cases hats and ties as well!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Snegurochka on March 13, 2010, 02:49:32 PM
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the proceedings of Anna's trials, please?  I'm writing a biography on her for eventual publication and can't locate them anywhere.  It's ok if they're in Russian - I have students who can translate them :)  Thank you!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on April 05, 2010, 06:43:07 PM
To posts 91, 99, 142, 156, 157, 158.

Ann and other forum members,

We all are a little bit mistaken;) I've just found it funny confusion. On all the photos with probable Asian Prince Chakrabongse which are posted here from Vyrubova albums, we can see not the Prince himself, but his Thai accompanying man Nai-Pum;). They are both surprisingly similar to each other. Nai-Pum or Nai-Pum Nikolai Nikolaevich (~1884-1947) was also Thai man who served as a Russian Officer, also in the Hussar's of HM Regiment and ended with the high Colonel rank. Participated in the WWI (commanded the squadron of HM Hussar's) and Russian Civil War. Then emigrated to France and later to England. Died in 1947 in the Cornwall county in England.

Here is the photo from Vyrubova album. Cornet of the Guard, Nikolai Nikolaevich Nai-Pum is standing leftmost.
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7478/5788.jpg) (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/5788.jpg/)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on May 05, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
Hello!

At Easter I went to visit her grave. Here are photographs if you are interested. You can also check out the Romanov webshow I make, which includes her in this episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYiQt4bLWMY

(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/IMG02630-20100405-1438.jpg)

(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/IMG02628-20100405-1437.jpg)

Thanks for looking! :D If anyone is planning to go there I can draw out a map of the grave site to help locate her so you don't go through what I did! lol Just send me a PM or something.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on May 05, 2010, 03:41:09 PM
Thank you a lot for sharing these ones! I see, that there is caption 'Nun Maria'. I didn't know that she converted. She was born and died in summer, I dare to notice.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Michael HR on May 06, 2010, 05:17:32 AM
How nice to see that her resting place is well maintained.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: amartin71718 on June 15, 2010, 08:35:44 PM
Question: In Vyrubova's memiors, she states that she was sitting with another woman, a Mme. Shiff, during the train crash. But she doesn't say what became of Shiff afterwards. Does anyone here have an idea of what happened?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: nena on June 15, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
The furthest information I can get, Shiff is the name referred to the famous American banker Jacob Schiff, who had something to do with the Russian Empire back then. However, I don't see Virubova mentioning anything else except that woman, ' a sister of a distinguished officer of Cuirassiers' who accompanied her during the train accident. Most likely Nicola would find more information on her and as well as on her 'possible' connection with that banker. I guess she was famous at the Court, one woman from those Nobel families.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: amartin71718 on June 15, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
What happened to her during the train crash? Did she survive?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Amy on June 16, 2010, 05:44:03 PM
I'm sorry to be a bother, just correcting a misidentified photo, but the picture below is actually of the Empress Alexandra's corner sitting room in the Winter Place. :)


Here is a larger version of Anna's parlor at her home in Tsarskoeselo.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/annashouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on June 17, 2010, 08:12:24 AM
Are you quite sure Amy ?
It is a pity we do not have a bigger picture, as the famous portrait of Nicholas hung on the right above the large painting next to the fireplace. Not that anyone could get past all the clutter to get a look at it !
If this is her corner drawing room, her taste is worse than I thought. What an appallingly ugly room. Very depressing actually. It looks like a thrift junk shop.  All that rubbish lying around. I wonder what the frilly baskets were for ? They seem to pop up in many photographs. These look as if she kept dinner plates or something in them. Perhaps they were for the Royal knitting. I know what the style of the times were, but the poor woman really had no taste.
God forbid the museum curators try and recreate this room. Best they just leave it as it is today !!!   
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on June 17, 2010, 01:25:00 PM
I don't know what book this was originally scanned from, but from what little I know of German the caption appears to back Amy up:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Anya/th_B27_28.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Anya/?action=view&current=B27_28.jpg)

(The two images being placed on the same page probably led to the confusion over the room's location.)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rosieposie on June 17, 2010, 07:37:42 PM
Her grave is well maintained.  Thanks for the photo Romanov Martyr
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: amartin71718 on June 17, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
Are you quite sure Amy ?
It is a pity we do not have a bigger picture, as the famous portrait of Nicholas hung on the right above the large painting next to the fireplace. Not that anyone could get past all the clutter to get a look at it !
If this is her corner drawing room, her taste is worse than I thought. What an appallingly ugly room. Very depressing actually. It looks like a thrift junk shop.  All that rubbish lying around. I wonder what the frilly baskets were for ? They seem to pop up in many photographs. These look as if she kept dinner plates or something in them. Perhaps they were for the Royal knitting. I know what the style of the times were, but the poor woman really had no taste.
God forbid the museum curators try and recreate this room. Best they just leave it as it is today !!!   
Judging by the rope surrounding the furniture, couldn't this picture have been taken after the palace was made into a museum? So in other words, maybe this picture doesn't show what the room originally looked like. Perhaps things were placed there just for the sake of being placed there? i'm sorry if this post doesn't make sense. There is severe weather heading my way, so I'm typing and watching the news at the same time. it's not working so well.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: matushka on June 17, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
It is indeed written in german "the Empress's reception room". So Amy si correct.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on June 18, 2010, 12:49:00 AM
Those two pictures are from: Rene Fulop-Miller  „Der heilige Teufel“ – Rasputin und die Frauen,  Leipzig, 1927
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olgasha on June 29, 2010, 03:49:03 AM
(http://all-photo.ru/portret/photos/22606-0.jpg)

(http://all-photo.ru/portret/photos/22609-0.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Amy on July 13, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
Are you quite sure Amy ?

I seem to have gotten lost for a bit, but yes, I'm absolutely positive that's AF's corner drawing room in the WP. Awhile back, I did extensive research into the WP rooms (see: Private rooms of the Winter Palace thread), well, as extensive as one can sitting in front of a computer in the US. ; ) I visited in 2004, but my camera died mid-trip. I would love to visit these rooms again with a working camera, but who know when that will be. My bet is on "never."

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on July 14, 2010, 08:42:10 AM
It actually is her drawing room in the WP, and yes they probably moved everything into a corner, so thats why it looks like a junk shop.

I still find it difficult to understand why, when there were storerooms full of the most gorgeous furniture, she chose this awful stuff.

I know that everyone has different tastes, but if one compares the Paley Palace in TS, and what the Yussoupovs put into their rooms, Empress Alexandra's taste is a mystery to me. I think her taste in general was based on Victorian rooms she occupied in her childhood and the horrors of Windsor Castle in QV time. A place she visited very often as a girl. These set the precedent for what she did to the AP and everywhere else. The " Maples" cozy look. Her brother also had an obsession with the " Style moderne", as is evidenced by the Palace in Hesse today, so I think he also had an influence on her as far as the Maple Room was concerned.

If one looks at the photographs of the rooms of Anna Vyrubova, they were very similar actually, I think mainly because she was so influenced  by Alexandra, and tried to emulate everything she did. Perhaps thats why we were confused by this room, and that of A V.
Perhaps Alexandra helped Anna decorate her house in Tsarskoe. That would explain it.   
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: lilianna on July 15, 2010, 05:31:11 AM
"The Empress bad taste - to destroy all of its rooms." So thought the Bolsheviks and carried from the palace of all things, they took them, gave to his friends, gold objects sold at auction. Then there was war. Nothing remains of the palace rooms. After the war Kuchumov at Pavlovsk was able to collect some of the Maple Room and Boudoir. Now, all over the world looking for things from the Alexander Palace, but can not find much.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on July 16, 2010, 10:24:56 AM
Yes, I sometimes agree sometimes with the Soviets. She had bad taste even by the standards of the day.

Personally I think many aspects of the Alexander Palace are over romantised, and find myself hoping that that the recent restoration does
not include any of her awful rooms. Does one want to spend a fortune on duplicating her bad taste a century later ?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: lilianna on July 16, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
Each person has their taste. We have Russian, there is a saying "The taste and color - no friends.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Snegurochka on July 20, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Do any of you posters and readers out there have pictures and/or family stories/oral traditions about Anya?  I've been researching her for several years and have just started working on a biography of her.   I can access the photos from Yale, and plan a trip to the Hoover Institute at Stanford next year, but I'd really like to include as much "personal" history as possible.  I would very much appreciate any assistance that readers of this forum can provide. 

Thank you!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: morvilaRomanov on July 21, 2010, 02:09:25 PM
I will want your biography about Anna. When you finished it please tell us.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: lilianna on July 23, 2010, 04:39:58 PM
t seems to me that there was nothing known about her life. Therefore, it will be very interesting to learn new things about it.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on July 24, 2010, 01:39:42 AM
Nothing known about Anna Vyrubova? Books about her have been published in the late 80's, 90's in Finnish, French and most lately in Russian. There is some information on an old thread: Anna Vyrubova's memoirs.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: miki_nastya on July 30, 2010, 05:48:07 AM
 How was Anna called Alix? In formal style like Your Heignes or informal by her own name?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on July 30, 2010, 06:30:52 AM
I wonder if she had a lonely sad life after 1917 ?  She lived for so many years afterwards with her memories, I also wonder  how the other Russian emigre community treated her.  Perhaps they regarded her as part of, or an accomplice of the downfall of the dynasty, their way of life and country. Particularly because of the Rasputin connection.  I dont think many  people liked her very much for this reason.
I think she was lucky to survive, although she had many close encounters with death before she eventually got away.

I wonder where her spirit wonders around ? Perhaps in the little house in Tsarskoe ? 


Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olga Maria on August 21, 2010, 01:51:09 AM
How was Anna called Alix? In formal style like Your Heignes or informal by her own name?
S
She calls Empress Alexandra as ‘Madame’ or ‘Empress’.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on August 23, 2010, 06:20:58 PM
The Tsarina valued Anna's devotion to her and befriended her, ignoring women of more distinction at the court.

Anna was a wonderful friend for the Empress.  Her value to the Empress was that she never criticized her, which was something the haughty ladies in waiting were often guilty of.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Alan on August 29, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
Pavlov,
You mentioned Anna's house. I read somewhere that it still exists but when I was there on 6 August this year, I could not find it. Does anyone know if it still exists?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: PAVLOV on August 30, 2010, 07:00:13 AM
Yes there are photos of it on this thread, if they have not been removed. The little house is across the street from the Alexander Palace, and was leased to her, at what was quite a high rental at the time. Today it is used as offices.
   
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sarushka on August 30, 2010, 07:03:31 AM
It's a little house on a corner -- the brown roof just above the label:

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Post by: Olgasha on September 08, 2010, 06:10:06 PM
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Post by: Olgasha on September 09, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
Anna Vyrubova and Tsarina Alexandra
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Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: newfan on September 09, 2010, 10:03:55 PM
Is there a picture of A.Vyrubova in old age?I have not see one .thank you
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Douglas on September 09, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
Anna Vyrubova and Tsarina Alexandra
(http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1005/51/1036841cbc49.jpg)

This was taken at the stern end of the deck salon/cabin on board Standart.  The element just to the left and behind Anna is the little spiral stair case that went up to the roof of the dining salon.  For some reason it's rarely seen in photos.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 10, 2010, 03:07:16 AM
Is there a picture of A.Vyrubova in old age?I have not see one .thank you

(http://nd02.jxs.cz/687/861/24553db8c0_53606191_u.jpg)

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Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: newfan on September 10, 2010, 01:00:32 PM
Thank you Grand duchess ...Mrs. Vyrubova dint change with age .do we know how old was she in this picture?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Dust_of_History on September 11, 2010, 07:07:06 PM
I think she died at the age of 80 in 1964. I'm not sure, it could also be that she was still 79. As far as I can remember, the last picture was taken one year before her death.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on September 12, 2010, 02:15:19 AM
On Anna Virubova's (Taneeva's) grave are written the following dates of birth and death: 16.7.1884 and 20.7.1964. However, 16.7 is according to the Julian calendar, so that would be 29.7 (Gregorian calendar). So she was still 79 when she died.....

Rudy


Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on September 12, 2010, 02:51:21 AM
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Post by: RealAnastasia on September 12, 2010, 11:38:20 PM
The last picture of her tombstone, all covered by snow is very romantic. It's a great pic.

If she was 79 in the last pic posted here, I think she aged quite well.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Olgasha on October 17, 2010, 03:01:17 AM

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Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on December 26, 2010, 07:55:53 PM
It was once thought that Derevenko made Aleksey do chores for him before leaving the family in 1917, as written by Anya. But it turns out this probably isn't true, since he later asked to go with the family to Tobolsk/Eketerinburg, but wasn't allowed. Why would Anya lie? What would she gain from that? And can we trust anything she wrote because of it?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: LisaDavidson on January 15, 2011, 01:14:33 AM
Like many people associated with the Imperial Family, Anya Vyrubova was a complex person. I know she expressed different views in her later memoirs, but at the time of her first memoirs, there were few people who could contradict her, so she was free to construct her story the way she wanted to. Why would she lie? Those who knew differently were dead! What she gained is she was able to tell her story her way, she was able to make herself look far better than she really was. Can you trust anything she wrote? Well, you know she was a liar, so I would say, just like the Bolsheviks who had no problem lying, you can believe what she said that can be corroborated by another source. Otherwise, it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: mishaxenia on January 28, 2011, 11:03:15 AM
Forgott this!

So who can answer me: Someone have info, maybe a biography, about Anna's brother Sergei Alexandrovich (1886-1975)?


Thanks and Belochka you should respect the other's opinions. We are not offend you we only thing you're a little confuse. No Problem!


Happy New Year!

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Sergei Alexandrovich (Anna's brother )

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 25, 2011, 02:24:06 PM
How do I find Anya's grave in the Hietaniemi cemetery, Please. And for that matter, how do I find the cemetery itself? I have a small guide book for Helsinki but they do not show the place.
 I will be in Helsinki this June and would like to visit here grave.
 Any help, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 25, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
How do I find Anya's grave in the Hietaniemi cemetery, Please. And for that matter, how do I find the cemetery itself? I have a small guide book for Helsinki but they do not show the place.

It's in the western suburb of Etu-Töölö. Vyrubova's grave must be either in the Helsinki Orthodox Cemetery or the Cemetery of the St. Nicholas Orthodox Parish. located, as far as I can see, to the south of the main Hietaniemi cemetery.  Take a look at the cemetary's home page with maps (kartta) and contact details: Hietaniemen hautausmaa (http://www.helsinginseurakuntayhtyma.fi/?deptid=368)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 25, 2011, 03:33:29 PM
Thank you Fyodor. I found the cemetery. But not Anya. I guess I can just ask when I get there ?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 25, 2011, 06:47:19 PM
Thank you Fyodor. I found the cemetery. But not Anya. I guess I can just ask when I get there ?

Why not just send an e-mail to the cemetery? Their adress is hietaniemi.hsrky@evl.fi
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 25, 2011, 07:36:27 PM
Done. Thanks again FP. BYW, I just noticed we have a day Kristiansand as well. Any recommendations  ?
Robert
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on March 25, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
Robert, see here. (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6751.msg481316#msg481316)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: rudy3 on March 26, 2011, 04:07:02 AM
Anna Taneeva's grave is situated in section 27 at the Helsinki Orthodox Cemetery


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Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 26, 2011, 09:01:17 AM
Thank you so very much Rudy. That was not only very helpful, but also kind of you and saved me a possibly futile search.
 Much appreciated
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Nathalie on April 22, 2011, 04:34:36 PM
Quote
She left in the same motorcar with Lili Dehn. ( Much to the relief of Baroness Buxhoeveden, who I dont think liked Anna very much).

Hmm, seems like most of the ladies at the court did not really like AV. I've read that count Frederiks stood by her at those "awful scenes" at the Crimean in 1914 (whatever those were:P), but otherwise I tend to bump into comments and notes about everybody else who disliked here.

How was the relationship between AV and Lili Dehn by the way?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: grandduchessella on July 21, 2011, 09:22:54 AM
Robert Hall was good enough to take these pictures on his recent visit and share them with us:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/otherromanovs/Baltic_2011_041-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/otherromanovs/Baltic_2011_040-1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 21, 2011, 09:27:59 AM
Great photos! Thanks for sharing!
I really like that Church that's sitting on her plot.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 21, 2011, 09:41:19 AM
Curious, is it not ?
 I tried to ask a tender/gardener but he did not speak  English and I do not know Finnish.  I think it may be  votive. Place for candles, ? The site is well tended in any case.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on July 21, 2011, 03:22:42 PM
Thanks, Robert! It's so kind of you to share with us who are unable to travel. Personal photos mean so much more than those out of a book!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: matushka on July 22, 2011, 12:55:32 PM
Many thanks, Robert, for sharing your pictures!
I also like the pictures of aged Anna A. But does anyone know why she did not wear monastic clothes if she was a nun? Where and when was she tonsured as a nun?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 22, 2011, 02:12:20 PM
Anna lived ex cloister, that is  out of the convent. She could dress as she wished, albeit modestly.
 She was never tonsured.  I do not think most nuns are, they are veiled.
 I could be wrong about this, but it is my impression that she entered the order  of an Orthodox nun, which  for the most part, do not have orders. However I think she had the minor order of St Catherine, as the Empress's friend.. That is just a guess on my part, though.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: matushka on July 23, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
Sorry, Robert, I was not clear in my question: "tonsured", in orthodox "slang", means the ceremony when someone become a monk/nun, which comport some promises and tonsure. The taking of monastic vows, so to say. Tonsure can be total, or it can just mean that the bishop or the abbot take a very modest part of the hair. I would like to know if Anna passed this ceremony, where and when. Thank for information about her beeing a nun out of any cloister.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on July 23, 2011, 12:21:54 PM
No problem, Matushka.  I had to think about it myself. I know what tonsure is, I had just never heard of a nun having it.   Nuns typically go through postulancy  before vows.
 I would like to know more about Anna V.  She gets pretty bad press press for the most part, but she was faithful.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: koloagirl on July 29, 2011, 02:30:47 AM

Aloha!

I have to add my sincere mahalo (thank you) to Robert as well for sharing those wonderful pictures from his recent trip - I too find it fascinating that there is a small church on her plot!

Thank you Robert!

Janet R.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: blessOTMA on July 29, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
I want to add my thanks to Robert and Rudy as well! ....fasinating to see her grave. To me AV's story has not yet been told...she remains an enigma.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: carkuczyn on January 03, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
I know that the extended Romanov family did not like Rasputin, but how did they feel about Anna Vyrubova?  She seemed to have as much of a hypnotic spell over Alexandra and Nicholas as Rasputin did.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sunny on January 04, 2012, 12:53:33 AM
I know that the extended Romanov family did not like Rasputin, but how did they feel about Anna Vyrubova?  She seemed to have as much of a hypnotic spell over Alexandra and Nicholas as Rasputin did.

Judging from what i've read in various books, they did not like Vyrubova very much either. They tought she was in cahoots with Rasputin to manipulate the choise of Ministers.
As i read in her first hand memories (Memories of the russian court) even Doctor Gedroiz from imerial lazaret did not like her at all and when she had the train accident, she simply said: "She will die" and didn't do much to try to save her. But well - this is what Vyrubova wrote, so her personal POV could be wrong or distorted, since there was not friendship between her and Gedroiz, it seems.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: carkuczyn on January 05, 2012, 03:29:08 PM
Thanks for the info, Sunny.  I am currently reading the Wartime Correspondence of Nicholas and Alexandra and in it, it tells about "Ania" being sick with measles and staying in another wing of the Alexander Palace.  Alexandra writes to her husband that she worries about what "Ania" will think or say if she does not go sit with her daily.  How odd that an Empress would kowtow to a commoner in this way, especially one as whiney and childish as Anna Vyrubova.  This is a good example of Alexandra's questionable mental state IMHO.  No wonder the Emperor's family worried so much about them.......and I do not blame them for not liking Anna Vyrubova.  And I would imagine that the extended family was exasperated with Nicky for allowing such situations to develop.  They were probably thinking, "He won't listen to us when we try to advise him, but he listens to this crazy woman (Vyrubova) and Rasputin?"  What a sad state of affairs it truly was!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sunny on January 06, 2012, 06:17:13 AM
I have not read the Wartime correspondence, but i clearly remember that Alexandra &Nicholas in private called Vyrubova "The big child" because her way of behaving was even more childish that those of their own children when they were little. Personally i don't dislike Alexandra, but i really don't like Vyrubova and it's hard for me to understand how they could love her so much.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on January 06, 2012, 06:29:11 AM
I have given up trying to understand the basis of human affection!

All I can think of is that Alexandra, in particular, felt sorry for Vyrubova, and Nicholas, in typical fashion, went along with it.

Ann
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on January 06, 2012, 07:22:08 AM
In Janet Ashton's book The German Woman, she points out that Alix encouraged Ania to marry Vyrubov instead of persuing A.A. Orlov  because he was closer to her in age and a more suitable husband. The marriage with Vyrubov was a disaster and Alix felt guilty about encouraging it so she stuck by Ania. Also, her home provided Alix a place to meet with Rasputin away from the AP. So, even though Ania got on Alix's nerves and tried to flirt with Nicky (like he couldn't do waaaaay better than her, if he were inclined to take his business elsewhere!  :) ;)), there were certain advantages in the friendship for Alix. I'm anxious to see what Virginia Rounding's new book about Alix and Nicky has to say on the subject.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Kalafrana on January 06, 2012, 08:15:38 AM
Interesting.

Ann
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Post by: Sunny on January 06, 2012, 12:43:57 PM
Yes really interesting. I haven't read Ashton's book, but this is interesting.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: bestfriendsgirl on January 06, 2012, 03:08:12 PM
You've got to read it! It's great!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: blessOTMA on January 06, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
Anya's  utter devotion, almost worship ( and ability to speak English)  had to play a part....AF would find that irresistible...AV's story hasn't been told. One minute she sees like mindless clay, the next,  pretty smart....one would have to be to have stayed the supreme favortie for so long, even if the relationship was rocky at times. 1903 till the end...an accomplishment for a friend of any royal personage 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: historyfan on January 06, 2012, 11:11:52 PM
Thanks for the info, Sunny.  I am currently reading the Wartime Correspondence of Nicholas and Alexandra and in it, it tells about "Ania" being sick with measles and staying in another wing of the Alexander Palace.  Alexandra writes to her husband that she worries about what "Ania" will think or say if she does not go sit with her daily.  How odd that an Empress would kowtow to a commoner in this way, especially one as whiney and childish as Anna Vyrubova.  This is a good example of Alexandra's questionable mental state IMHO.  No wonder the Emperor's family worried so much about them.......and I do not blame them for not liking Anna Vyrubova.  And I would imagine that the extended family was exasperated with Nicky for allowing such situations to develop.  They were probably thinking, "He won't listen to us when we try to advise him, but he listens to this crazy woman (Vyrubova) and Rasputin?"  What a sad state of affairs it truly was!

I didn't see it as Alexandra worrying about "Ania's" feelings, moreso being annoyed by her whining. But, for whatever reason, she put up with it. Why? Well, it does seem as though she felt sorry for her. There were parts of her that seemed pretty pitiable - like her flirtation (very unsubtle!) with Nicky. She did worry about Vyrubova's health, during the measles and during her recovery from her train accident, and she worried about the death threats Vyrubova received when things started going right downhill shortly before the murder of Rasputin. But she didn't kowtow to her.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: carkuczyn on January 10, 2012, 06:49:31 PM
In most aspects, the relationship seemed to be two neurotic individuals feeding off of each others weaknesses.  Alexandra was desperate for a "true friend" and Anna was desperate for attention.  At any rate, how sad for Russia that these two individuals were in the position to make or influence many crucial decisions of the time. 
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Belochka on January 10, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
In most aspects, the relationship seemed to be two neurotic individuals  feeding off of each others weaknesses. 

I do wonder when such comments appear on this Forum, on what basis are they made?
 
Alexandra was desperate for a "true friend" and Anna was desperate for attention.  At any rate, how sad for Russia that these two individuals were in the position to make or influence many crucial decisions of the time. 

Can you please provide at least one credible example where as you claim: "that these two individuals were in the position to make or influence many crucial decisions of the time."
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sunny on January 11, 2012, 07:11:49 AM
Alexandra was desperate for a "true friend"

Of course she was; friendship as we intend it nowadays was not common in XIX century Courts. The tsar and tsarina were seen as divine, and so too "high" to have real friendship with human beings.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 18, 2012, 03:55:41 PM

We can add a few more details about Mr. Brewster.

We never met him, but we did speak several times on the phone, and then corresponded with him.

Mr. Brewster met Serge Taneyev and his wife in New York City in 1935. In 1937 Mr. Brewster went to Finland to visit A. A. Vyrubova, from whom he purchased her photo albums.
He had photographs of Anna and her maid, Vera, at their cottage. He was also a guest of Count and Countess Pahlen, the niece of A. A. Vyrubova and the daughter of her sister, Alya Pistolkhors.
The Pahlens' summer house, "Monrepos" was destroyed during the Russo-Finnish War in 1940.

In 1951 Mr. Brewster presented the Romanov family albums to his alma mater, Yale.

Mr. Brewster never met Lili Dehn, but he corresponded with her in care of Serge.

In 1960 he also purchased Lili Dehn's letters from the Imperial family, and in 1983 he presented those to Yale too.

(It was quite a delightful surprise for us when, during our first visit to Yale's Beinecke Library in order to see A. A. Vyrubova's things, the head librarian, Miss Wynne, casually put Lili's letters on the table, saying: "Perhaps you would be interested in these too?"!)

Mr. Brewster died in 1995 or 96. He was a bit of recluse, and I don't believe that an obituary or biographical article ever appeared on him.

Mr. Louis Auchincloss (1917-2010), the NYC lawyer and author, was his friend and legal advisor. It was Mr. Auchincloss who negotiated the two sales of letters for Mr. Brewster.
After Mr. Brewster's death, Mr. Auchincloss also corresponded with us and told us more details.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 18, 2012, 04:41:35 PM
Does anyone know what happened to the letters Anna received from members of the IF?
Lexi

I realize that I am chiming in just a little late on this discussion, but A. A. Vyrubova's letters from the Imperial family were likewise purchased by Mr. Brewster and later deposited in the Beinecke Library at Yale.
They are there together with the photo albums.
In the 1980s we could still see and handle the originals. Now they have them put away, and researchers can use the photocopies.

We are including them all in our collection for the book.


http://www.library.yale.edu/beinecke/brblinfo/brblguide_index.html#romanov

Romanov Family. Six photographic albums, the gift of Robert D. Brewster, 1939, containing between 2,000 and 3,000 informal photographs of the Russian Imperial Family taken from about 1906 to 1914, and about 35 letters to Anna Vyrubova during the period of their imprisonment by the Provisional Government and the Bolsheviks in 1917-18.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: blessOTMA on January 19, 2012, 07:48:39 AM
In the 1980s we could still see and handle the originals. Now they have them put away, and researchers can use the photocopies.
Indeed, when I contacted them in the 70's it was clear even I,  simple member of the public off the street , could flip though the real albums....now even researchers such as yourself cannot . I certainly understand why they don't allow them to be handled....these albums are likely more fragile than much older books really, but I do wish I made the effort to get there then ...instead of saying " oh well I always can " . Thrilled you will be including Anna's letters as well !
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sunny on January 19, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Does anyone know what happened to the letters Anna received from members of the IF?
Lexi

I realize that I am chiming in just a little late on this discussion, but A. A. Vyrubova's letters from the Imperial family were likewise purchased by Mr. Brewster and later deposited in the Beinecke Library at Yale.
They are there together with the photo albums.
In the 1980s we could still see and handle the originals. Now they have them put away, and researchers can use the photocopies.

We are including them all in our collection for the book.


http://www.library.yale.edu/beinecke/brblinfo/brblguide_index.html#romanov

Romanov Family. Six photographic albums, the gift of Robert D. Brewster, 1939, containing between 2,000 and 3,000 informal photographs of the Russian Imperial Family taken from about 1906 to 1914, and about 35 letters to Anna Vyrubova during the period of their imprisonment by the Provisional Government and the Bolsheviks in 1917-18.

Does anyone know what happened to the letters Anna received from members of the IF?
Lexi

I realize that I am chiming in just a little late on this discussion, but A. A. Vyrubova's letters from the Imperial family were likewise purchased by Mr. Brewster and later deposited in the Beinecke Library at Yale.
They are there together with the photo albums.
In the 1980s we could still see and handle the originals. Now they have them put away, and researchers can use the photocopies.

We are including them all in our collection for the book.


http://www.library.yale.edu/beinecke/brblinfo/brblguide_index.html#romanov

Romanov Family. Six photographic albums, the gift of Robert D. Brewster, 1939, containing between 2,000 and 3,000 informal photographs of the Russian Imperial Family taken from about 1906 to 1914, and about 35 letters to Anna Vyrubova during the period of their imprisonment by the Provisional Government and the Bolsheviks in 1917-18.


I really can't wait to read that book! Have you any idea of when we could have it? If you had already told it, i'm sorry, i missed it.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 19, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
I have always been curious as to just how AV smuggled all those volumes across the border to Finland in the first place. They must have been cumbersome for a refugee on an escape for her life.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on January 19, 2012, 02:50:41 PM
P.S. On the location of A. A. Vyrubova's letters.

A. A. Vyrubova sold her albums and letters to Mr. Brewster in 1937.

Some items, found after her death in 1960, have been deposited in the Orthodox Church of Finland's museum.
http://www.ortodoksinenkirkkomuseo.fi/en/index.html

They have eight letters and painted cards from the Imperial family to Vyrubova.

The museum is now being remodeled; it is scheduled to reopen in the summer of 2013.

We were very happy to discover their collection, because they have parts of letters which are missing from those at the Beinecke Libray. Thus, at least digitally, we were able to reunite the missing pages.
The archivists of both institutions were also pleased to "find" the missing documents.


It is also quite possible that after A. A. Vyrubova's death, and then Vera's, more things were lost.
That, alas, is a common occurrence throughout the world.
Refugees or exiles die in a foreign land, and those disposing of the things left behind do not always understand the worth of such items — especially if they have no idea who those people were.
And, of course, the locals, not knowing the exiles' language, cannot read their papers to determine their importance.

I shudder to think of what treasures belonging to old Russian émigrés have been lost or tossed out over the years!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Sunny on January 19, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
P.S. On the location of A. A. Vyrubova's letters.

A. A. Vyrubova sold her albums and letters to Mr. Brewster in 1937.

Some items, found after her death in 1960, have been deposited in the Orthodox Church of Finland's museum.
http://www.ortodoksinenkirkkomuseo.fi/en/index.html

They have eight letters and painted cards from the Imperial family to Vyrubova.

The museum is now being remodeled; it is scheduled to reopen in the summer of 2013.

We were very happy to discover their collection, because they have parts of letters which are missing from those at the Beinecke Libray. Thus, at least digitally, we were able to reunite the missing pages.
The archivists of both institutions were also pleased to "find" the missing documents.


It is also quite possible that after A. A. Vyrubova's death, and then Vera's, more things were lost.
That, alas, is a common occurrence throughout the world.
Refugees or exiles die in a foreign land, and those disposing of the things left behind do not always understand the worth of such items — especially if they have no idea who those people were.
And, of course, the locals, not knowing the exiles' language, cannot read their papers to determine their importance.

I shudder to think of what treasures belonging to old Russian émigrés have been lost or tossed out over the years!

Thanks for the info! I alas the letters are not on the site.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on May 20, 2012, 01:09:10 PM
A watercolor done by A. A. Vyrubova in 1957 has been donated to the Tsarskoe Selo Museum complex:

http://eng.tzar.ru/info/info-events/title/?id=3050
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 03, 2012, 02:38:20 AM
(http://nd05.jxs.cz/430/271/a1fddf7134_86039476_u.jpg)
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 03, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
Felix Yussupov himself said Anna Vyrubova was unattractive and dimwitted, I do slightly agree with his harsh statement. Fat yes, as the Empress called her "The Cow" (does anyone know the reason beside being fat?)  however she does have a cute baby face. dimwitted - sort off, as been more of an act to be notice.

her affection for the Tsar and Empress was a bit too much like butt kissing and indeed she was known to  be over dramatic.

personally I am not fond of Anna Vyrubova.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ortipo on December 05, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
She was not as dimwitted as people make her out to be.  She had an excellent command of the English language and her memoirs are very well written (in English).  One should take the comments of her contemporaries with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: stacey on December 22, 2012, 03:07:39 AM
(http://nd05.jxs.cz/430/271/a1fddf7134_86039476_u.jpg)

Thank you so much for this picture of Anna--I don't recall ever seeing it before. She does look a bit plump, but the overall effect (to me anyway) is attractive. I think if she had been slimmer--and more popular!!--she would have been considered a very pretty woman.

About the reason the Empress often referred to her as "The Cow"--that has long puzzled me too. It's hardly the kind of thing you would call a dear friend!! (She might as well have called poor Anya "The Pig"!) It was a really unkind way to speak of her behind her back and I don't think that reflects well on the Empress. I realize that Anya's constant presence and interference in family matters must have been extremely irritating at times and I suspect it was mostly during those episodes when Alix took out her frustration by calling Anya names--altho not to her face.

But still, it's always bothered me. It's rather jarring to read the syrupy sweet letters Alix wrote to Anya, then read another letter she writes to the Emperor referring to Anya as "The Cow"!! Were her feelings towards Anya really that ambivalent? Did she really (deep down) perceive Anya as a threat??
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on December 22, 2012, 10:32:59 AM
It was quite possible that Anya was in love with/or had a crush on the Tsar, not surprising since he was a really handsome and a gentleman. She even childishly flirted with him in front of everyone, which the Empress took as playful innocence as Anya had a fail short marriage and was single (also that she was immature), however after awhile even with evidence in her early 1914 letters to her husband, whom she didn’t blame him on bit of being upset with Anya over an issue:

“…I am glad for you that you will be away for 2 days and get new impressions and hear nothing of Anya’s stories. My heart is heavy and sore; must one’s kindness and love always be repaid thus?  The Black Family (Militza and Anastasia of Montenegro) and now she?...”(source: Nicholas and Alexandra, their own story)

Also somewhere  in another of my books there was a source that Anya even kissed the Tsar while on holiday in Finland around 1913, which upset the Empress (I would be too!) and as a quite unforgiving and self-centered woman like Alexandra, not surprised one bit her relationship with Anya went cold for awhile but remaind friends and later 'made up'...as long Anya doesnt make another move on her husband!
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: amelia on December 22, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
I always wondered about a book that I have LES JOURNAUX SECRETS DE ANNA VIRUBOVA. It is a very bad edited book, I bought years ago in France. It is very unflattering towards the Imperial Family and involved bad doings of Grand Duke Dimitry Pavlovich. There is much more, I have not read it for years. Dos anyone kjnow anything about this book?

Amelia
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Rodney_G. on December 22, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
I always wondered about a book that I have LES JOURNAUX SECRETS DE ANNA VIRUBOVA. It is a very bad edited book, I bought years ago in France. It is very unflattering towards the Imperial Family and involved bad doings of Grand Duke Dimitry Pavlovich. There is much more, I have not read it for years. Dos anyone kjnow anything about this book?

Amelia

My understanding is that this book is a fraud.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Hilla on January 09, 2013, 07:40:17 AM
I just watched today a document I had recorded a couple of weeks ago called Keisarinnan hovineito (The empress' lady in waiting). It's a Finnish-Russian document that tells about Anna Vyrubova's life based on the interrogation proceedings made when she had escaped to Finland and also on other studies of her life. They had even dramatized parts of her interrogation. I thought it was interesting to hear how she had really replied to all those questions they made instead of reading some book that doesn't actually tell much.

I just realized that I haven't been paying a lot of attention on this woman at all, not even her life in Finland though I'm Finnish myself. Of course I did know about her escape to Finland and that she's buried here but I didn't know that she was a nun or that she lived her last years in a typical 1950's-60's city flat. I think I have to read this whole thread through now to fill in this empty spot in my knowledge.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on February 16, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
Just a FYI:

Today, February 3/16, the Feast of St. Symeon the God-receiver and St. Anna the Prophetess, is Anna Vyrubova's names-day.

(Luke 2: 25-38)

Of course, later she was tonsured a nun as Mother Maria.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Превед on February 16, 2014, 03:07:00 PM
Just a FYI:
Today, February 3/16, the Feast of St. Symeon the God-receiver and St. Anna the Prophetess, is Anna Vyrubova's names-day.

She was specifically named after Анна Пророчица and not Святая Анна - бабушка Иисуса Христа / богопраматерь?
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Maria Sisi on October 16, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
I recently read "A Lifelong Passion" and now I'm in the middle of "The Complete Wartime Correspondence" and I'm kind of shocked at how bad Anna comes out. I understand why everyone else (Felix, Maria Pavlovna younger, Alexander Mikhailovich, the French Ambassador) had negative things to say about her but I was really shocked at the tone Alexandra's letters had.

When she talks about Anna in her letters to Nicholas she's either annoyed with her or mothering her like a child. Anna is pretty much included in EVERY letter yet I barely heard anything of Lili D or Sophie B when I thought they were Alexandra's friends too but I guess they had lives of their own and weren't attached to the Alexandra's hip like Anna appeared to be. It doesn't feel much like a friendship and feels more like Alexandra simply tolerating her because Anna pretty much blindly worships her and she was lonely for friendship.

It was also a little weird to me that Nicholas would always include Anna when he was "tenderly kissing and blessing" the family at the end of his letters. Its no wonder she crossed the line with him! Alexandra mentions a few times that Anna complains to her that she isn't seeing Nicholas that much and that she has to tell her that he is busy. And instead of cutting her off like most people probably would they seem to laugh it off as some teen crush and then proceed to remind Nicholas not to encourage her too much. It just seems crazy to still keep her around or not confront her about it.

Now the big question I have is did Anna ever learn about how Nicholas and Alexandra privately viewed her? I know some of their correspondence was published in her lifetime but I personally doubt she read any of it out of respect. I get the feeling she would have been pretty shocked by it.





Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Inok Nikolai on October 17, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
I understand how you feel and what you mean.

I would just like to add that after the Revolution, Empress Alexandra and Anna pretty much patched things up.

Although earlier the Empress had written to Tsar Nicholas that things would never be the same between her and Anna, Anna's continued devotion to the Imperial family after the Revolution, the sufferings she endured because of it, and her support for them in captivity, made amends.

The Empress' letters to Anna from captivity in Siberia are full of effusive expressions of love, devotion, and gratitude. She even tells Anna that all is forgotten and forgiven. So even if Anna saw the war-time letters, she had in her possession the "last word" from the Empress on their relationship.

Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Maria Sisi on October 17, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
I understand how you feel and what you mean.

I would just like to add that after the Revolution, Empress Alexandra and Anna pretty much patched things up.

Although earlier the Empress had written that things would never be the same between them, Anna's continued devotion to the Imperial family after the Revolution, the sufferings she endured because of it, and her support for them in captivity, made amends.

The Empress' letters to Anna from captivity in Siberia are full of effusive expressions of love, devotion, and gratitude. She even tells Anna that all is forgotten and forgiven. So even if Anna saw the war-time letters, she had in her possession the "last word" from the Empress on their relationship.



That is true at the end they did make up although I guess the beginning letters made such an impression on me that the last ones kind of flew over my head.

Still I'm not sure I would be so pleased to learn my nickname was "the cow" or something like that. It would honestly make me rethink the whole friendship although even I know Alexandra was always sincere and genuine in her writing and wouldn't have lied so I guess Anna knew that too and wouldn't have been offended.

One thing "Wartime Correspondence" mentions in a footnotes that I didn't know is that during the war as Alexandra and Rasputin's influence on politics increased so did Anna's. He even mentions that Anna stated using the royal "we" when talking. I know she was used as a go between for Alix and Rasputin and I'm pretty sure that's all it was and nothing else. Perhaps her little roll as go between went to her head and it was another one of her things that annoyed Alexandra, I don't know.

I believe Alexandra would have been much better served with a friend who wasn't so blindly worshipful of her but I guess that was her appeal. I think if you blame Alexandra for a lot of things then Anna should get part of the blame for them too for feeding the ignorance of the situations.
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 10, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
(http://aminpro.ru/dopoln/kartinki/dopol/ludi/nikolay_2/vyrubova/anna_vyrubova_06.jpg)
Title: Resemblance I notice between Anna Vyrubova and...
Post by: Queen_Missy on March 11, 2015, 12:45:49 PM
Does anyone else think Anna looks a lot like Beatrice in these two pictures?

http://cdn.royalcollection.org.uk/cdn/farfuture/P66O_xLNz0G6igiiL0gAsqnciWQ9GsCP8cF3yNThqko/mtime:1423380402/sites/royalcollection.org.uk/files/collection-online/3/1/235535-1323787785.jpg
(Beatrice is second from the left)

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/347/f/1/Anna_Vyrubova_II_by_AlixofHesse.png
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Joanna on July 22, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
HM Own Chancellery - Alexander S. Taneyev
Nicholas II curiosity! - Anna Vyrubova's childhood home

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2016/07/hm-own-chancellery-alexander-s-taneyev.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Cathy on November 03, 2016, 06:53:35 AM
A friend sent these sites for amazing pictures of the current renovation of Anna's house:

http://www.gorodpushkin.ru/news/1391848

http://www.gorodpushkin.ru/news/1355965

Enjoy the new perspectives.
Cathy
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: Queen_Missy on January 18, 2017, 04:33:59 PM
Anyone noticed this resemblance? <a href="https://neuespalais.tumblr.com/post/156053248664/has-anyone-else-noticed-the-resemblance-between">https://neuespalais.tumblr.com/post/156053248664/has-anyone-else-noticed-the-resemblance-between</a></div>
Title: Re: Anna Aleksandrovna Vyrubova (1884-1964), Part 2
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on November 06, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Does anyone have any information on Anna Vs husband? Ron Moe in his book "Prelude to the Revolution The Murder of Rasputin" has him dying of the Flu in the Crimea in 1919? He was at the battle of Tsushima does anyone know what ship he was on?