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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hohenzollern => Topic started by: otmafan on February 01, 2005, 07:59:35 PM

Title: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: otmafan on February 01, 2005, 07:59:35 PM
I found this picture on ebay of Duchesses Altburg and Ingeborg von Oldenburg. Can anyone tell me about these girls? I haven't heard of them before.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/otmafan/unknowngirls.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on February 01, 2005, 08:15:28 PM
Duchess Altburg married the future Fürst Josias of Waldeck-Pyrmont, who reached infamy by being a convinced Nazi supporter.  Altburg was suspected of hosting SS get-togethers well after the end of World War II.  she died in 2001 aged 98.

Duchess Ingeborg married Prince Stephan zu Schaumburg-Lippe in 1921. she died in 1996 aged 95.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2005, 08:36:41 PM
They were the half-sisters of Princess Sophie who married Kaiser Wilhelm's son Eitel Friedrich (see thread on Kaiser's Daughters in Law for more info there).

Friedrich Josias was the nephew of Helen Duchess of Albany and Queen Emma of the Netherlands making him first cousin to Alice Athlone and Queen Wilhelmina as well as that other ardent Nazi Charles Edward, Duke of Coburg

I think Ingeborg's husband was a Nazi also, wasn't he?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: otmafan on February 01, 2005, 08:39:18 PM
How far apart in age were they? Were there any other children?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 01, 2005, 09:45:29 PM
Ingeborg was born in 1901 and Altburg in 1903. They had one other surviving, full sibling, a brother named Nicholas.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on February 02, 2005, 12:14:48 AM
As were many Northern German royals, the Waldeck-Pyrmont, Schaumburg-Lippe and other families sinned by becoming ardent supporters of the National Socialist movement.  Southern German dynasties felt the Nazis were an abhorrent bunch.  Of the Thuringian dynasties, only the Royal House of Saxony expressed its repulsion ot the Nazi movement.

It has always seemd to me that since Natinal Socialism was vehemently anti-Catholic, those German royals with faith allegiances to Rome, steered clear of Hitler and his bunch...one exception being Archduke Albrecht of Austria, Duke of Teschen, who seems tohave some Nazi proclivities.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 02, 2005, 12:49:05 AM
That's what struck me as well--and which we touched on slightly in the Saxony thread and George in particular--how much the Catholic branches seemed more vehemently anti-Nazi. The Bavarian families, the Saxony kingdom, the Wurttembergs, etc...
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on February 02, 2005, 08:50:36 AM
Indeed, all while Prussia, Oldenburg, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Hannover, Waldeck-Pyrmont, Schaumburg-Lippe, Lippe shared National Socialist sympathies...very strange...perhaps the source of what would be a nice case study although I can assure everyeone here that the families would ot cooperate.  :-[

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Marlene on February 02, 2005, 09:58:40 AM
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Indeed, all while Prussia, Oldenburg, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Hannover, Waldeck-Pyrmont, Schaumburg-Lippe, Lippe shared National Socialist sympathies...very strange...perhaps the source of what would be a nice case study although I can assure everyeone here that the families would ot cooperate.  :-[
Arturo Beéche



Actually not all the Prussians were supporters of the Nazis.  Auwi was a committed Nazi, but the same cannot be said for other family members.  His nephew Louis Ferdinand loathed Hitler and the party, and was involved with the July 20, 1944 plot.  

There is also no evidence that Ernst August of Hannover was a committed Nazi -nor his children although several of the children had to joined the young nazi party.

For many - let's make that millions - Germans, Hitler was the answer to their problems.  But not all Germans, royal or non=royal supported Hitler.  

Hitler and his cronies used the royals for their own means - but by the early 1940s, Hitler no longer had use for the royals and dumped many from their posts.

As for the religious issue - there are far less Catholic royals in Germany - Bavaria, Saxony, as the main ones - so statistically, there would be more from the Protestants.  This is not to say that all the Bavarians were against Hitler.  Rupprecht certainly was - but other family members had differing views.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on February 02, 2005, 08:40:20 PM
Even among German Mediatized families, fewer Catholics were against National Socialism, while many Protestants Mediatized royals were enthusiastic about the movement.

Obviously we are not arguing that every member of a family who followed Protestantism was a Nazi party follower...that would be extremely wrong and irresponsible.

But to argue that if there had been more Catholic families, there would have been more of their members following the party is a flawed approach in my opinion.  Proportionally speaking, when one compares the number of Protestant German royals who supported National Socialism with that of Catholic ones, the Protestants come out the big winners by a considerable margin.

This is a topic that I would love to investigate further and more in-depth, as I think it is a thoroughly fascinating one!

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: kmerov on February 03, 2005, 10:01:39 AM
Yes, that sounds very interesting. You cant help but wonder why?
Didnt the nazi movement began in the catholic south of Germany. Im thinking of Hitler(austrian), and the Munich coup. Not that it has something to do with royalty as such.
I remember Christian X making his sister in law, princess Helena of Glucksburg, leave the country after WWII, because of her Nazi sympaties.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Eurohistory on February 03, 2005, 10:20:16 AM
Hitler's first foray into political mischief was indeed in the Beer Hall Putsch in Münich, bt it was an utter failure.

Then again, and we must say so, Germans in general at the time were not completely devoid of antisemitic feelings.  Europe has been, at times, quite inhospitable for Jews.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on February 03, 2005, 05:43:48 PM
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Yes, that sounds very interesting. You cant help but wonder why?
Didnt the nazi movement began in the catholic south of Germany. Im thinking of Hitler(austrian), and the Munich coup. Not that it has something to do with royalty as such.
I remember Christian X making his sister in law, princess Helena of Glucksburg, leave the country after WWII, because of her Nazi sympaties.


It's a strange irony that so many Catholic royals were strong anti-Nazis (and the Nazis had  strong anti-Catholic streak) and yet some major strongholds even after the fall of the Reich were in Catholic areas such as Bavaria. I toured the one bunker they had left in Berchtesgaden when I lived in Germany and we were told that all the others had been destroyed (and most of this one sealed up) in the years after the war as they were becoming shrines and pilgrimage sites. There was still some post-war Nazi graffiti carved into the walls.

Art--according to many stories that come out in Jewish periodicals, etc...they still don't regard Europe as all that friendly towards Jews. When I lived in Germany there was a big article about how the German tourist industry was trying to encourage Jewish travel to the synagogues and other historical sites of the Jewish faith. It seemed that apart from organized tours to labor and death camps, there wasn't a lot of Jewish travel because of bad memories. They seemed to be making some headway apparently but some bad feelings towards many countries lingered.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Marlene on February 03, 2005, 10:57:28 PM

Art--according to many stories that come out in Jewish periodicals, etc...they still don't regard Europe as all that friendly towards Jews. When I lived in Germany there was a big article about how the German tourist industry was trying to encourage Jewish travel to the synagogues and other historical sites of the Jewish faith. It seemed that apart from organized tours to labor and death camps, there wasn't a lot of Jewish travel because of bad memories. They seemed to be making some headway apparently but some bad feelings towards many countries lingered.[/quote]


Europe has a serious and growing problem with anti-semitism - France especially so  - either the NYT or the WP recently had an article on this topic.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: HerrKaiser on February 07, 2005, 07:52:31 PM
Curiously for me is that the majority of German Royals were Lutheran/Protestant, correct? Then, there would naturally a greater likelihood for more Protestants to have been in line with Hitler, just based on odds. What is more interesting is that Hitler's popluar support was far greater in southern Germany (Catholic), particularly Bavaria, than in the north (Protestant). Seems the royals were not very much in line with their subjects.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 07, 2005, 08:14:28 PM
Are they ever ?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Marlene on February 08, 2005, 09:34:30 AM
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Curiously for me is that the majority of German Royals were Lutheran/Protestant, correct? Then, there would naturally a greater likelihood for more Protestants to have been in line with Hitler, just based on odds. What is more interesting is that Hitler's popluar support was far greater in southern Germany (Catholic), particularly Bavaria, than in the north (Protestant). Seems the royals were not very much in line with their subjects.


The royals no longer had subjects in 1933.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Danjel on December 17, 2005, 05:42:04 AM
2 more pictures of the sisters...

Ingeborg with her family

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/withherfamily.jpg)

and Altburg

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/PrccAlburgWaldeckPyrmont.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Rebecca on December 17, 2005, 06:25:15 AM
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Art--according to many stories that come out in Jewish periodicals, etc...they still don't regard Europe as all that friendly towards Jews.



I second that. In Sweden, where I live, there were few antisemitic outbreaks prior of WWII, but on the other hand, the stereotypic view of the Jewish people was very tenatious. Nowadays antisemitism is growing in Sweden as in most parts of Europe. In Sweden the tactic to deal with it often is to sweep the problem under the carpet and pretend that it doesn't exist.

My interest in royals has always been more or less purely genealogical, but I'm learning more and more about the persons behind the names and titles, and quite frankly it utterly disgusts me that so many of them were Nazis or had Nazi friendly views, and that some of them even continued being Nazis after the war.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: thijs on February 24, 2006, 10:55:05 AM
Elisabeth, Dss of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (Ludwigslust 10 Aug 1869-Schaumburg 3 Sep 1955) married FRIEDRICH AUGUST, Grand Duke of Oldenburg, renounced the throne 11 Nov 1918 (Oldenburg 16 Nov 1852-Oldenburg 24 Feb 1931). Elisabth was the second wife of the grandduke of Oldenburg and sister of Henry prince consort of the Netherlands.

Grandduchess Elisabeth  of Oldennburg with:

Sophie Charlotte (Oldenburg 2 Feb 1879-Westerstede 29 Mar 1964); m.1st Berlin 27 Feb 1906 (div 1926) Eitel Friedrich Pr of Prussia (Marmorpalais 7 Jul 1883- Potsdam 8 Dec 1942); m.2d Rastede 24 Nov 1927 Harald von Hedemann (Köln 22 Sep 1887-Hankhausen-Rastede 12 Jun 1951)

NIKOLAUS Friedrich Wilhelm, Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg (Oldenburg 10 Aug 1897-Rastede 3 Apr 1970); m.1st Arolsen 26 Oct 1921 Helene Pss zu Waldeck und Pyrmont (Arolsen 22 Dec 1899-Rastede 18 Feb 1948m.2d Güldenstein 20 Sep 1950 Anne-Marie von Schutzbar gt Milchling (Hannover Münden 3 Jul 1903-Rastede 1 Jan 1991)

Ingeborg Alix (Oldenburg 20 Jul 1901-Bienebek, Holstein 10 Jan 1996); m.Rastede 4 Jun 1921 Stephan Pr zu Schaumburg-Lippe (Stadthagen 21 Jun 1891-Kempfenhausen 10 Feb 1965)

Altburg Marie Mathilde Olga (Oldenburg 19 May 1903-Arolsen 16 Jun 2001); m.Rastede 25 Aug 1922 Josias Fst zu Waldeck u.Pyrmont (Arolsen 13 May 1896-Schaumburg 30 Nov 1967)


Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Vasiliy on July 10, 2007, 04:41:06 AM


Grandduchess Elisabeth  of Oldennburg with:

Sophie Charlotte (Oldenburg 2 Feb 1879-Westerstede 29 Mar 1964); m.1st Berlin 27 Feb 1906 (div 1926) Eitel Friedrich Pr of Prussia (Marmorpalais 7 Jul 1883- Potsdam 8 Dec 1942); m.2d Rastede 24 Nov 1927 Harald von Hedemann (Köln 22 Sep 1887-Hankhausen-Rastede 12 Jun 1951)

NIKOLAUS Friedrich Wilhelm, Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg (Oldenburg 10 Aug 1897-Rastede 3 Apr 1970); m.1st Arolsen 26 Oct 1921 Helene Pss zu Waldeck und Pyrmont (Arolsen 22 Dec 1899-Rastede 18 Feb 1948m.2d Güldenstein 20 Sep 1950 Anne-Marie von Schutzbar gt Milchling (Hannover Münden 3 Jul 1903-Rastede 1 Jan 1991)

Ingeborg Alix (Oldenburg 20 Jul 1901-Bienebek, Holstein 10 Jan 1996); m.Rastede 4 Jun 1921 Stephan Pr zu Schaumburg-Lippe (Stadthagen 21 Jun 1891-Kempfenhausen 10 Feb 1965)

Altburg Marie Mathilde Olga (Oldenburg 19 May 1903-Arolsen 16 Jun 2001); m.Rastede 25 Aug 1922 Josias Fst zu Waldeck u.Pyrmont (Arolsen 13 May 1896-Schaumburg 30 Nov 1967)


Тhere 1 daghter  - born in 1879 , other children - 1899, 1901, 1903 ?
Such big difference in age ? Or I have made a mistake?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: grandduchessella on July 10, 2007, 10:12:37 AM
The eldest daughter was by the Duke's first wife, Elisabeth of Prussia (sister of Duchess Louise of Connaught)  and the latter children by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth of Mecklenburg-Schwerin.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on November 30, 2008, 01:42:37 PM
Does somebody have a picture of Ida von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym (1804-1828), duchess of Oldenburg, second wife of Friedrich-August I, grand-duc of Oldenburg?

Her sister, Adelaide, was the first wife of Friedrich-August, and mother of Amalia, Queen of Greece (wife of Otto I).

Ida was the grand-grand-mother of Sophie-Charlotte v. Oldenburg, wife of Eitel-Friedrich of Prussia, son of the Kaiser William II...

I can't find even a picture of her, so if someone could help me... Thank you!

Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Marc on November 30, 2008, 04:12:17 PM
It will be very hard to find her picture or a portrait!
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on December 01, 2008, 05:45:45 AM
It will be very hard to find her picture or a portrait!

I know, I know...!
You can find pictures of her sister Adelaide, Friedrich-August's first wife.
You can find pictures of Cecilia of Sweden, Friedrich-August's third wife.

And you can't find a picture of Ida, the only one who gave birth to the heir, Peter II, grand-duc of Oldenburg... I don't understand that! Ok, she did very young, but...?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: beladona on December 02, 2008, 02:45:02 PM
... you can't find a picture of Ida, the only one who gave birth to the heir, Peter II, grand-duc of Oldenburg... I don't understand that! Ok, she did very young, but...?
Me too...why is so hard to find a picture of a mother of the next heir and grand-duke? Strange...
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: mardam on December 03, 2008, 07:26:51 AM
Easy to find by others? or by yourself???
You are doing a request and then making remarks when the picture does not come right away.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on December 03, 2008, 05:29:06 PM
Easy to find by others? or by yourself???
You are doing a request and then making remarks when the picture does not come right away.


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I just say that I wonder why a portrait of this princess is so hard to find, by me or by anyone ! And I see that beladona observed that, too.

What's your problem, darling? You didn't take your sedative, this evening?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2008, 05:53:01 AM
It will be very hard to find her picture or a portrait!

I've seen a sketch of her in the David McIntosch book on the Oldenburgs. Great book.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on December 13, 2008, 06:55:24 AM
It will be very hard to find her picture or a portrait!

I've seen a sketch of her in the David McIntosch book on the Oldenburgs. Great book.

Really?!!!! Well, I will have to buy this book, then! Thank you so much Svetabel for this information! And do you know where on the net I could buy this book? It's a very recent book, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Svetabel on December 13, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
It will be very hard to find her picture or a portrait!

I've seen a sketch of her in the David McIntosch book on the Oldenburgs. Great book.

Really?!!!! Well, I will have to buy this book, then! Thank you so much Svetabel for this information! And do you know where on the net I could buy this book? It's a very recent book, isn't it?

Yes, the recent one of 2007 year published by Rosvall Royal Books, a great photoalbum on the Oldenbourg Family. The ISBN is 91-975671-3-2.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: berno on February 02, 2009, 01:04:50 PM
If you would like to post pictures of Ida's sister would be great and perhaps portraits of elisabeth (sister of queen marie von Hannover and alexandra Josifovna)? Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: berno on February 03, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
I habe never seen these pics/paintings except for the one of Elisabeth by Stiehler. I always wondered how the relatiosn were between Elisabeth and her sisters Marie, Alexandra and Therese (as far as the latter one concerns there seems to be no information nor pics/paintings of her at all)/ I have seen pics from the two sisters Marie and Alexandra though and both had a striking resemblance. It seems to me that Elisabeth had a different appearance than her sisters. Anyway thanks again and I look forward to other postings.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on February 04, 2009, 11:30:35 AM
Thanks a lot Bourgogne, reallly nice. I habe never seen these pics/paintings except for the one of Elisabeth by Stiehler. I always wondered how the relatiosn were between Elisabeth and her sisters Marie, Alexandra and Therese (as far as the latter one concerns there seems to be no information nor pics/paintings of her at all)/ I have seen pics from the two sisters Marie and Alexandra though and both had a striking resemblance. It seems to me that Elisabeth had a different appearance than her sisters. Anyway thanks again and I look forward to other postings.

For Therese, I'm like you, I never found even one only word or one picture about her! Just her name and birth/death!
And you're right, Elisabeth was not exactly like her sisters. Physically, she was more like her mother, while Marie and Alexandra were more like their father.

Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: beladona on February 04, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
And what about some portraits of Frederika, later married to Count (?) Washington? Or her half brother Elimar with his morganatic wife Nathalia? Did you find them in your wonderful book, Bourgogne? :)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on March 04, 2009, 10:11:24 AM



Friederike gave up her position in Oldenburg, and with her husband they became homesteaders in Austria...

Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: beladona on March 07, 2009, 07:24:31 AM
 I suppose Friederika could have an interesting life...to leave family and home and start a completely new life in absolutely different world...
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on March 10, 2009, 01:56:01 AM


Yes! And with the man she loved... Today almost all royals make mesalliances... But at this time it was very rare, especially for the princesses. So we can be sure that she was really in love!

Friederike when she was young

(http://sitesweb.dnsalias.net/images/Sn/oldenbourgwash.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: beladona on March 10, 2009, 02:14:38 PM

And - at least - she had parents, who allowed her to marry man, which she loved, even if it meant she lost her family. Did she ever return to Europe or visited someone from her family?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Bourgogne on March 10, 2009, 04:40:43 PM

In fact, the poor Friederike had a very very unhappy life when she was a little girl.

She had to endure a veritable martyrdom, because she was suffering from a deformation of the spine, and was forced to spend three years in an hospital, far from her family, during this time she was strapped to an horrible machine, and litteraly streched...
But, this treatment was successfull, and she had a normal life after this!

She was courted by the prince Karl of Hessen-Philippstahl, but did'nt want to marry him (she had a very strong character).

When she had 35, she announced that she was in love with Baron Washington, and determined to marry him! It was incredible, this man was 10 years younger and had been professor of her half-brother Elimar.
Friederike's parents were dead at this time, and her half-brother Grand-Duke Peter liked her very much, so he gave his approval (on the contrary of what he did for Elimar's wedding, in this case he never forgave him).
They left Oldenburg for Pöls (near Graz), and Friederike spent a very happy life playing the role of a farmer's wife.
They had two sons, who had no children.
I don't think she came back in Oldenburg, at least, it's not mentioned in the book I have. It seems that she really broke away with her first life.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 16, 2010, 11:12:03 PM
I drove through almost all of Oldenburg this Easter on my way to Paris and I had never realized that the southernmost part, the Oldenburgish Münsterland, is not only the northernmost Catholic region in Germany, but in the extreme south of the very flat Grand Duchy, the low ridge of Dammer Berge gives Oldenburg a tiny portion of the Central German Massif. Does anybody know if the Grand Ducal family came to enjoy this most "exotic" part of their grand duchy (like the Hanoverian RF did at Marienburg), say in the carnival town of Damme by the Lake Dümmer?  

Or did they only holiday in Rastede in the lush Ammerland or in "far-away" Eutin with the occassional "sea spa" stay on Wangerooge, leaving the bleak moors and Catholics of the Oldenburgish Münsterland a terra incognita, much like the Glücksborgers did with regard to Jutland?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Learning on April 17, 2010, 10:06:56 AM
Which of the former Grand Ducal homes does the Oldenburg family continue to retain? I know the palaces in Oldenburg itself were lost? What about Rastede?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 17, 2010, 03:01:21 PM
Which of the former Grand Ducal homes does the Oldenburg family continue to retain? I know the palaces in Oldenburg itself were lost? What about Rastede?
Yes, as far as I know they retain at least Rastede and the estate Lensahnerhof in Lensahn in their former exclave, the Principality of Lübeck. In this feudal so-called "Counts' Corner" of Holstein they are almost neighbours with the Landgrave of Hesse at Panker.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: kmerov on April 18, 2010, 10:28:22 AM
Grand Duke Peter II
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/German%20Royalty/oldenburgGDfriedrichpeter.jpg)

Grand Duke Friedrich August II, last Grand Duke of Oldenburg
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/German%20Royalty/oldenburgGDfriedrichaugust.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 18, 2010, 03:45:37 PM
I think we ought to know more about Peter II, the guy who was his cousin the Russian Emperor's initial candidate as Frederik VII's successor as King of Denmark and Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, but was dropped by the Great Powers in favour of Christian IX because he was too anti-Danish in the S-H Question.

Seems like he wasn't too dissimilar to Christian IX: According to Neue Deutsche Biographie he was deeply conservative and deeply shocked by the revolutions of 1848. (Did he in any way actively support the S-H Revolt of 1848?). He tried unsuccessfully to have a Chamber of Princes instituted as second chamber in the parliaments of the North German Confederation and the German Empire, to counter the democratic diets. His exceptional long reign (1853-1900) did witness reforms, but it was only the agrarian and rural character of his grand duchy that prevented any serious constitutional conflicts between the conservative grand duke and his subjects.   
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 19, 2010, 06:14:49 AM
Does anybody know why Grand Duke Peter II's youngest son Georg Ludwig (27.6.1855-30.11.1939) didn't marry? Particularly since he was the only male agnat besides the Russian Oldenburgs and his uncle, who was morganatically married (Welsburg line) - untill his brother produced boys in his second marriage. Seems like he was the designated heir of the Holzappel-Schaumburg inheritance from his Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym mother (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=10740.msg421798#msg421798), untill the Waldecks won the succession dispute. He also served as Leader of the Grand-Ducal Oldenburgish Forest Office in Eutin (in the Principality of Lübeck), where he also died. 
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Svetabel on June 18, 2010, 01:46:23 AM
GD Friedrich August and his eldest daughter Sophie Charlotte

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/86e4ea6a.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Adagietto on June 23, 2010, 04:28:12 PM
The last Grand Duke with his three younger children:

(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/2336/2891454820100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

The Grand Duchess with her two younger daughters:

(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/47801/2085249190100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Erbgrossherzog Nicolaus, and two younger sisters:
(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/30163/2801388300100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)

Nicolaus:
(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/44375/2036080620100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: violetta on August 13, 2010, 07:27:29 PM
in july i visited grand ducal palace in oldenbug

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/156-1.jpg)


back of the palace

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/151.jpg)

 

Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: violetta on August 14, 2010, 10:49:55 AM
back of the palace,one more picture

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/150.jpg)

the grand room (actually taking pictures wasn`t allowed but i somehow managed to take a few photoes inside the palace)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/165.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/167.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/172.jpg)

Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: violetta on August 14, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
red salon of oldenburg palace

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/173.jpg)

(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/174.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: violetta on August 14, 2010, 06:39:41 PM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/170.jpg)

another room of the palace
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Learning on August 15, 2010, 07:20:15 AM
What is the palace used for nowadays? A museum? What properties did the family keep after the revolution?
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: violetta on August 15, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
the palace also houses an atmuseum. in the backyard concerts take place.there is also an exhibition on the history of the dynast and the duchy of oldenburg including ww1, the period between ww1 and ww2.
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Svetabel on May 23, 2011, 04:23:40 AM
A photo of 4 generations. Personally I like such photos...a chance to see a family resemblance).


GDss Elisabeth of Oldenburg with her children Nikolaus, Ingeborg and Altburg, and with mother (right) GDss Marie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (nee Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt) and grandmother Mathilde of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (nee of Schonburg-Waldenburg). 1910 year.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1911hnk-1.jpg)

courtesy ANNO database
Title: Re: The Grand Ducal family of Oldenburg
Post by: Marc on September 28, 2011, 04:51:23 PM
Duchess Caroline von Oldenburg,nee Countess zu Rantzau wearing star diamond tiara at the wedding of Georg Friedrich:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/teagirlsofia/6146403938/in/photostream/lightbox/