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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tatiana Nicholaievna => Topic started by: Galactic_Misfit on March 06, 2005, 11:55:57 AM

Title: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Galactic_Misfit on March 06, 2005, 11:55:57 AM
Hey.

I'm new here, and I figured since there are so many knowledgable people here, you guys could help me with something.

Do any of you have pics of Tatiana smiling/grinning?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: dianoshka on March 06, 2005, 12:54:02 PM
You can probably find some at livadia.org (http://livadia.org/tanya/).
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Galactic_Misfit on April 10, 2005, 10:55:13 AM
Thanks for the help everyone!

I didn't realize that there were so many pics of Tatiana smiling/smirking.

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 10, 2005, 11:23:26 AM
Yeah, she is mostly seen disgruntled or annoyed!
Here are some of my favorite pics of her looked annoyed!
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/9590/4226wc.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 10, 2005, 11:24:06 AM
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/5500/tm190811wg.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 10, 2005, 11:24:57 AM
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/738/tmama1ny.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 10, 2005, 11:26:08 AM
Oh, here is another I found of Tatiana looking very happy and cute!
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/9751/030hz.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Laura Mabee on April 10, 2005, 07:36:50 PM
Yeah, that's an awfully cute video too.
Something that I have always noticed on that photo is the way they have rather large "bumps" on their foreheads. It's really prominate on Anastasia, Maria and Olga, not so much on Tatiana. Maybe it's the lighting, but I've always wondered how bad those were in real life
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Abby on April 10, 2005, 08:33:53 PM
Hmm, yeah I see what you mean Laura. I think it is the lighting showing the countours of their skulls. weird!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 26, 2005, 12:38:06 PM
Actually, on the subject of the girls' big foreheads, they probably looked like that in real life, even more so due to having their hair pulled back very tightly. I also have a large forehead like Olga, and it annoys me very much!!  >:(

-Annie
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Victoria_Romanov on May 27, 2005, 10:36:41 PM
Quote

Thats actually a clip from a home video.

What Home Video? I'm not trying to be rude but is there a place where we can veiw this video? I'd really like to see it  :D
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Anastasia_R on June 12, 2005, 09:39:38 AM
http://livadia.org/tanya/images/otm1901.jpg
http://livadia.org/tanya/images/otm19003.jpg
http://livadia.org/tanya/images/alixtatianasmile.jpg-this is a great one because Tatiana and Empress Alix are smiling!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on June 16, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Victoria --

The video clip of the grand duchesses is included in the documentary, LAST OF THE CZARS, which I believe was done by the Discovery Channel. Maybe you can find a copy at the library?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: trixiebelle on July 05, 2005, 03:09:01 PM
There is a picture of Tatiana sitting and smiling up at her mother in the Mauve room.  Her hair has recently started to grow back in and her hairstyle is so cute and chic.  Their love towards each other is so visible.  It's one of my favorite photos (and forgive me but I do not know how to post photos - just haven't taken the time to learn properly how to post  ???)  Actually, let me say it - I'm just darn lazy right now  ;)

I have to add that I think Tatiana is at her most beautiful when she has short hair.  Around 1915-17, when the girlies would wear a ribbon around their head is so beautiful.  
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_sofia on July 06, 2005, 12:10:48 PM
Is it the one where tania is on the floor in a pale dress and her mother is on the chair in a dark dress?
sopsxx
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: trixiebelle on July 07, 2005, 08:46:04 AM
Grandduchess_sofia,

Yes, that's the one.  Such a loving family.  I'm so sure that Tatiana gave her mother such happiness and comfort.  With the pain that Alix went through, physical and emotional, it's no wonder that she doted on her family and kept so close to home.  In today's world, Alix would probably be considered a smothering mother, but back then, she was raising five generous and beautiful children.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Michelle on July 10, 2005, 05:17:05 PM
I think this is the one you guys are talking about:
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/alixtatianakneeling.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Robby on July 30, 2005, 10:38:16 AM
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Robby_/YoungTanya.jpg)
If you look carefully you can see a smile!
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Robby_/Closesisters.jpg)
Tatiana smiles here!
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Robby_/Bigpairfountain.bmp)
Here too
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: LenelorMiksi on August 16, 2005, 12:37:44 PM
Now, does anyone have a picture of darling Tatya smiling showing TEETH over the age of 15?  I did see the one where she's little on the Standart with OMA.  I've seen all the other girls' pearly whites...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on August 16, 2005, 12:52:11 PM
this one she might be...

(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatnastya.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: imperial angel on December 05, 2005, 10:28:28 AM
Tatiana did not smile that much in photos, but when she did she was lovely. Of course people in general did smile that much in photos back then, ''smile for the camera'' was not practiced as widely as today.  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: anna11 on December 12, 2005, 05:26:05 AM
Quote
Yeah, she is mostly seen disgruntled or annoyed!
Here are some of my favorite pics of her looked annoyed!
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/9590/4226wc.jpg)



Who is that between Olga and Tatiana?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: imperial angel on December 12, 2005, 10:41:05 AM
I think that person was their cousin, Princess Irina Alexandrovna, daughter of Grand Duchess Xzenia, Nicholas's sister, and Grand Duke Alexander of Russia, a cousin. She later married Prince Felix Yusupov. She was about Olga's age, born in 1895.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on December 27, 2005, 08:30:23 AM
gigling (http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/otm19003.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on December 29, 2005, 09:22:39 AM
I found this photo of Tatiana smiling. It is one of my favourites of her, because she is  :)!!
There never seem to be many photos of Tatiana on the web. Even at Livadia there is incredibly few compared to Olga, Maria and even Anastasia - who's photo album is not yet complete. Alot of the photos that Tatiana had were formal as well, and because it took so long to take one, they did smile!
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Tatiana19103.jpg)

Sarastasia
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jay on May 24, 2006, 09:25:27 PM
Pics of her smiling are hard to find!! But, here's a few.

(http:// http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/JayJay_10/ba4dad0e.jpg)

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/JayJay_10/fa2d743f.jpg )
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jay on May 24, 2006, 09:30:06 PM
Here's another one.

(http:// http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/JayJay_10/f35ae44f.jpg )
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on May 25, 2006, 12:08:24 AM
Hello!

Now that I have a photobucket account, I can post pics, me too! I meant it when I said that Tatiana can smile. Here are some photos I'm sure everybody'll like.  :)

On a donkey, looking amused, 1900.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Small%20kids%201/th_tathorse.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Small%20kids%201/tathorse.jpg)

With Olga and Maria, 1900.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Small%20kids%201/th_23_1.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Small%20kids%201/23_1.jpg)

Walking with her family, 1907.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_f1d2e2c5.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/f1d2e2c5.jpg)

With a cousin and Anya Viroubova? 1907 or 1908.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_e434697f.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/e434697f.jpg)

With cousins again and Alexandra, 1908. (Is it just me or Maria looks taller then her big sisters on this one?)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_e9d9c4cd.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/e9d9c4cd.jpg)

At Darmstadt, 1910 or 1911.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Darmstadt%201/th_c0d9dfa4.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Darmstadt%201/c0d9dfa4.jpg)

With a regiment, 1908? (I really like this one!!!)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Visitors%201/th_79239ca2.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Visitors%201/79239ca2.jpg)

With another regiment, 1906.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Visitors%201/th_671454e6.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Visitors%201/671454e6.jpg)

With her parents and Olga, 1898.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Formal%20Family%201/th_7.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Formal%20Family%201/7.jpg)

I agree, Tatiana didn't smile often on photos. Maybe she was just shy, like her mother? By the way, you know guys, this photo: (it has already been posted here) Well, wouldn't anybody have that photo from (obviously) the same day showing Tatiana alone sitting on a chair? She's smiling on this one, I think. Thanks.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_e3b5ae28.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/e3b5ae28.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Justine on May 25, 2006, 01:02:04 AM
I know that photo but I haven't got it now :-/

Here are my favorite of smiling Tatiana...

With soldiers of her regiment in 1910:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/Tatiana/Tatianaandsoldiers1910.jpg


With Alexandra:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/Tatiana/AlixandTatiana1914.jpg



With her sisters at Standart:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/at%20Standart/GirlsatStandart1911.jpg


With her sisters, Alexandra and Anya Virubova:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/Imperial%20family/GirlsAlixandAnya.jpg


(sorry if this photos has been posted)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on January 28, 2007, 08:59:37 AM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Visitors%201/79239ca2.jpg

I LOVE this one that was posted! It looks like one of them has just told a really funny joke and they're all trying to maintain their posture and pose for the photograph!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 28, 2007, 09:31:13 AM
hahaha i know!!!
it looks some body did something to make the IF laugh, and olga was looking to see what face
her mother made!

sorta smiling
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/Tatiana/Tatiana-Summer1917.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on January 28, 2007, 09:53:46 AM
hahaha i know!!!
it looks some body did something to make the IF laugh, and olga was looking to see what face
her mother made!

yeah, I agree. It's a really nice one of Alix as well...

I think she's smiling in these two:
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/th_Tatiana1912-1.jpg) (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Tatiana1912-1.jpg)

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/th_19102.jpg) (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/19102.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on January 28, 2007, 10:21:15 AM
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/tatiagermany.jpg)
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/tatianauhlans.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 03, 2007, 09:12:03 AM
I love Tatiana's smile!  She resembles a beautiful fairy, just like the meaning of her name..."Queen of the Fairies"
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Aliss_Kande on February 03, 2007, 10:05:52 AM
Not really.  People think that Tatiana is a corruption of Titania, which does mean "Queen of Faries".  Tatiana, Tanya, and any other versions of the name are slavic in nature and completely unrelated to Titiania.  No one I know knows exactly what Tatiana means.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on February 03, 2007, 10:41:27 AM
Olga's name was chosen because it was an old Russian name, frequently used in the Romanov family. I believe Tatiana was named so that the big pair's names would match two of the main characters in Pushkin's novel/opera Yevgeny Onegin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Onegin_(opera)) -- Olga and Tatiana.  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on February 03, 2007, 10:48:01 AM
I believe they were both chosen for this purpose, as Nikolai wrote in his diary?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on February 03, 2007, 11:11:19 AM
Olga's name was chosen because it was an old Russian name, frequently used in the Romanov family. I believe Tatiana was named so that the big pair's names would match two of the main characters in Pushkin's novel/opera Yevgeny Onegin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Onegin_(opera)) -- Olga and Tatiana.  ;)

sarushka...
so your saying that Nicky and Alix chose their childrens names off of a play?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on February 03, 2007, 11:14:27 AM
Yep, this is true. Olga and Tatiana were named for two (main?) characters in Puskin's novel, "Yevgeny Onegin". I believe Nikolai recorded this fact in his diary.
Isn't there a famous polonaise from Yevgeny Onegin??
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Belochka on February 03, 2007, 06:39:51 PM
Olga's name was chosen because it was an old Russian name, frequently used in the Romanov family. I believe Tatiana was named so that the big pair's names would match two of the main characters in Pushkin's novel/opera Yevgeny Onegin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Onegin_(opera)) -- Olga and Tatiana.  ;)

sarushka...
so your saying that Nicky and Alix chose their childrens names off of a play?

To be more correct the names were taken from the magnificent poem Евгений Онегин written by Russia's most revered author: Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin!

Margarita  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on February 03, 2007, 07:07:57 PM
A letter from Nicholas to Queen Victoria, 12 November 1895:
The name of Olga we chose as it has already been several times in our family and is an ancient Russian name.

From the diary of Konstantin Konstantinovich, 2 June 1897:
I heard from the Tsar that his daughters are called Olga and Tatiana like Pushkin's Onegin.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on February 03, 2007, 08:51:37 PM
it sounds like the tsar lied to Queen Victoria!

I don't think so! Remember, they had only one daughter at that time, and they were always hoping for the next child to be a boy. It probably wasn't until Tatiana came along that they considered naming *both* girls after Yevgeny Onegin characters.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: rosieposie on March 17, 2007, 10:01:02 AM
I am just wondering where the photo is of Tatiana laughing.  It is where Maria is standing on a chair and some man has their can hooked under the chair. It is the only time I have ever seen Tatiana Laughing.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 17, 2007, 11:27:36 AM
The man is Nicholas.  ;)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/th_nickyotmasilly1914.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Crimea/nickyotmasilly1914.jpg)


There's also this one, with her Uncle Ernie on the Standart in 1912:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/th_tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on March 17, 2007, 01:02:12 PM
Yeah, I love that photo of Nikolai and OTMA playing!
I mean, what are they actually doing?? lol
And is it Maria on the chair?? The sister next to Anastasia looks like Maria, but judging by the length of her dress compared to the one on the chair, I'd say Maria's on the chair.

Sarastasia xx
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 17, 2007, 01:32:15 PM
Marie is definatly on the chair!

Tanya is in back, then Nicholas, Olga, Anastasia, then Marie!

This  (http://www.livadia.org/olishka/images/ON10.jpg)is a cute one of Tanya!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 19, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Formal%20Family%201/olgatatiana1906.jpg)
has this one been posted?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Missy-T on March 19, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
Hope these haven't been posted yet:
1 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/hgkl.jpg)
2 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l1.jpg)
3 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l2.jpg)
4 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l3.jpg)
5 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l4.jpg)
6 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt2.jpg)
7 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt3.jpg)
8 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt5.jpg)
9 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt6.jpg)
10 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/m5.jpg)
11 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/t2.jpg)
People always say there aren't much photo's of Tatiana smiling but..just look at these,
I gave up after 5 minutes of search in my computer, cause there are a lot! :P
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 19, 2007, 07:09:40 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt3.jpg (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt3.jpg)
That's always been one of my favorites! Everybody looks so jolly -- particularly Tatiana, who seems to be quite amused by whatever's going on with her sisters. Does anyone know what the occasion was? I would date it as 1913 in Livadia....
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 19, 2007, 09:59:11 PM
definatly at livadia!
well there are soldiers there.. there seems to be a ton of people

maybe a little get together?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 20, 2007, 01:54:13 PM
SMILIE! (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0003/00034003.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 20, 2007, 02:22:48 PM
I think that Tatiana smiled as much as her siblings. There is a kind of myth of her being the one who was always formal and serious. Actually, she could be as jolly as OMAA. There is a lot of pics of her smiling.

I think part of the misconception is a cultural difference. Americans seem to think you're not "really" smiling unless you're grinning and showing teeth.... ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 23, 2007, 10:44:24 AM
This is a cute one!
if she is smiling?
Picture (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/Tatiana_Romanov/Tatiana/oaf12420cv.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on April 01, 2007, 10:36:11 AM
Smiley Face
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/otmaphof.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TheAce1918 on April 01, 2007, 02:37:27 PM
I really like that one.  I think it is her more definate smile.  She appears at peace. 

And in reference to some of the previous posts, dosen't Olga mean 'blessing' in Russian?  Or is that a myth?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarastasia on April 01, 2007, 02:45:45 PM
I don't know about it's meaning in Russian (it's not in my dictionary) but I did find this out:

Olga is the Russian form of Helga, which is the feminine form of Helge which is apparently

Quote
Derived from Old Norse heilagr meaning "holy, blessed".

So, yeah, it does kinda mean blessed/holy, but through derivatives and variations, etc.  ;)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on April 14, 2007, 01:26:44 PM
Here is a sweet one! (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0155/1002017.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Joyann1 on June 14, 2007, 02:55:44 AM
(http://img232.exs.cx/img232/5500/tm190811wg.jpg)
im sorry but those are maria and anastasia right? xD
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 14, 2007, 06:01:06 AM
No, it's Maria and Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Joyann1 on June 14, 2007, 08:56:59 AM
here she is smiling to :) i love this one
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickyotsoldiers.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Antie on June 17, 2007, 11:05:29 AM
http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickyotsoldiers.jpg

That is one is one of my favorites.  It shows Tatiana with a great big smile.

Even the icy-looking Governess can smile! :D
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 21, 2007, 06:46:53 AM
yeah i love the furs
There is no doubt, that although they looked good, there is nothing admirable about wearing fur.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: koloagirl on June 22, 2007, 02:13:39 PM
 :)

Aloha all!

Yep, I agree with Laura -- as much as I love the IF -- the pictures of them wearing fur (and especially the pics of Nicky with his dead deer or elk!) make me cringe.  I like to think that if the Grand Duchesses were alive now, they'd content themselves with "faux" fur -- after all, they were what was considered back then at least - "animal lovers".   ???

I especially remember pics of Tatiana wearing fur -- remember the photo of her on the balcony wearing some type of white fur outfit?

Sorry, off-topic I know!  Us animal lovers have to stick together!   ;D

Janet

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: grandduchess_42 on June 25, 2007, 09:07:22 PM
yeah i love the furs
There is no doubt, that although they looked good, there is nothing admirable about wearing fur.

no no no of course laura!!
oh i doo feel the same when nicky was hunting... but they had the status to wear them!!
poor animals :(

I especially remember pics of Tatiana wearing fur -- remember the photo of her on the balcony wearing some type of white fur outfit?
I think you mean this one!? (http://livadia.org/tanya/images/tatianafurs2.jpg) Olishka and Marie wore them too!

Tatiana looks really regal in almost all her photos. She'll never forget she was a Russian Grand Duches!  ;)

RealAnastasia.

oh i quite agree!!
she would never forget!! i love that statement!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Raegan on July 09, 2007, 04:02:08 PM
Yes, she's beautiful on (almost) all her pictures (except a few pictures where she's not looking at the camera  :D). She's also very regal, but for me, that why I like her less than Olga or Mariya...

I whish there was some pictures when she was in an ackward or funny situation...

Well there is a photo in The Camera and the Tsars of Tatiana, Ernie and an officer smiling and playing around on the Standardt. It is on page 131.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on July 09, 2007, 05:22:16 PM
It's one of my favorites!

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/th_tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Born_too_late on November 04, 2008, 03:50:32 AM
She doesn't smile a lot in pictures but there are quite a few, I like these ones:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/OlgaTatianaMariaofficer.jpg
Very cute!

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/alixtatianakneeling.jpg
She is smiling at her mother.

My personal favourite:
http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/anamashtat1917.jpg
She looks very beautiful

- The last one is rather ironic because she looks so happy, you wouldn't have thought it was actually taken during their captivity.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 27, 2008, 08:41:10 PM
Post a picture with a wide grin please....
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 27, 2008, 08:48:31 PM
Hope these haven't been posted yet:
1 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/hgkl.jpg)
2 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l1.jpg)
3 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l2.jpg)
4 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l3.jpg)
5 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/l4.jpg)
6 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt2.jpg)
7 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt3.jpg)
8 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt5.jpg)
9 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/lt6.jpg)
10 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/m5.jpg)
11 (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/tesseljade/t2.jpg)
People always say there aren't much photo's of Tatiana smiling but..just look at these,
I gave up after 5 minutes of search in my computer, cause there are a lot! :P



What's your Source website?Nice ones,huh.I think I'm gonna open all her pictures there though our computer works so slowly...So Sad..
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: RealAnastasia on November 28, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
In Beinecke you will find a lot of these. I think that in pics, Tatiana uses to smile as much as her sisters does. Maybe, people depicts her as a stern Grand Duchess for she wouldn't feel at ease in front of stranger people, as well as her mother would do. But I'm sure that among friends and family, she was as smiling and happy as any of her sisters could be.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Lalee on November 29, 2008, 12:05:43 AM
I think so too. From her own letters she seemed to be very affectionate and even in Nicholas's and Alix's correspondance, Alix said that Tatiana best understood her way of looking at things and Nicholas expressed that Tatiana would definitely be the one who would take care of them in old age. She also took good care of everyone and everyone in the hospital admired her during the war and many friends said that Tatiana seemed to be the favourite of her parents.

She certainly would have been a very smiling and affectionate girl.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 29, 2008, 01:03:50 PM
Well here is my fav of Tatiana smiling,


(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/679--.jpg)



Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 29, 2008, 01:31:25 PM
(http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll299/Romanovy/OTMA/Tennis/NicolassTanouaNasounatenise.jpg)

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/9890mk.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on November 29, 2008, 05:18:37 PM
Post a picture with a wide grin please....

This is the widest grin I can think of:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/th_tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/?action=view&current=tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on November 30, 2008, 02:30:29 AM
Yes this is my favourite too...Sarushka would you tell me who is the guy on left ?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on November 30, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
Yes this is my favourite too...Sarushka would you tell me who is the guy on left ?

Sorry, I don't know. I'm guessing an officer of the Standart. Ernie of Hesse is behind her, though.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on January 09, 2009, 08:07:52 PM
Post a picture with a wide grin please....

This is the widest grin I can think of:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/th_tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Tatiana/?action=view&current=tatianaerniestandart1912.jpg)


It's only this one that I know much. There really is no picture of her grinning when she was above 16.=(
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on January 09, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
I think there is one of her smiling taken at Livadia in 1914, when she was above 16.  :) . Look at www.livadia.org.  ;) . Also, there is one from 1917, when she is smiling:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/th_anamashtat1917-1.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/?action=view&current=anamashtat1917-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 10, 2009, 05:37:13 AM
About that photo.... I know it's taken Autumn in Livadia 1916 if i'm not wrong:
(http://livadia.org/tanya/images/tanyaeffinbored.jpg)

Is this the full?
Because for example this picture was not full .... It's her ,Nicholas and before i thought it's Alexei but in livadia.org it says"Winter, 1913, Tsarskoe Selo, with our cousins (Aunt Xenia's kids), Papa, and Sablin." :

(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Leyla on January 10, 2009, 06:15:23 AM


Is this the full?
Because for example this picture was not full .... It's her ,Nicholas and before i thought it's Alexei but in livadia.org it says"Winter, 1913, Tsarskoe Selo, with our cousins (Aunt Xenia's kids), Papa, and Sablin." :

(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851.jpg.html)


It is the full version. The photo that you're talking about is another one taken on the same day (the picture used as the cover for The Fate Of The Romanovs). If I'm quick enough, I will try to post it.

And I am not positive that the photo you posted was taken in 1913. Wasn't it in 1916?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on January 10, 2009, 07:00:33 AM
I have this labeled as 1915 in my collection:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/Snow/th_7-172withkseniasboys1915.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/Snow/?action=view&current=7-172withkseniasboys1915.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 10, 2009, 07:39:50 AM


Is this the full?
Because for example this picture was not full .... It's her ,Nicholas and before i thought it's Alexei but in livadia.org it says"Winter, 1913, Tsarskoe Selo, with our cousins (Aunt Xenia's kids), Papa, and Sablin." :

(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/fa/d6de09571851.jpg.html)


It is the full version. The photo that you're talking about is another one taken on the same day (the picture used as the cover for The Fate Of The Romanovs). If I'm quick enough, I will try to post it.

And I am not positive that the photo you posted was taken in 1913. Wasn't it in 1916?

Excuse me but i copy what it says in livadia.org and i don't believe is 1913 neither 1916 to what i know is 1915!And i'm speaking about the same picture just in livadia is cropped... I can't do nothing that there it says wrong things on some pictures!

I have this labeled as 1915 in my collection:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/Snow/th_7-172withkseniasboys1915.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/Snow/?action=view&current=7-172withkseniasboys1915.jpg)


Thanks Sarushka yes it's same day... to what i know is indeed 1915
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on January 10, 2009, 09:06:46 AM
There is also one taken at same day, which I am looking for(Aleksei with cousins on sledges). That one (of NII, Tatiana and Aleksei) is used on cover of The Kitchen Boy - by R. Alexander.

I have seen it labeled as winter 1913/4, but on Russian webs 1915/6. I think we have to check their diary entries and to confirm the year. Where it was taken? At Tsarskoe Selo...Then, when NII was at home during WW1 and when Ksenia's sons visited them during winter? When we find answers, we will know what year is. IMO, it is winter 1914/5.

Same day:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 11, 2009, 03:10:30 AM
There is also one taken at same day, which I am looking for(Aleksei with cousins on sledges). That one (of NII, Tatiana and Aleksei) is used on cover of The Kitchen Boy - by R. Alexander.

I have seen it labeled as winter 1913/4, but on Russian webs 1915/6. I think we have to check their diary entries and to confirm the year. Where it was taken? At Tsarskoe Selo...Then, when NII was at home during WW1 and when Ksenia's sons visited them during winter? When we find answers, we will know what year is. IMO, it is winter 1914/5.

Same day:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg)

Thanks Nena Is this from that day:
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0901/2b/1e91f62fded4t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i163/0901/2b/1e91f62fded4.jpg.html)
I think it is.... One of the books which i had read before one or two years was with this cover...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on March 13, 2009, 03:56:08 AM
http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0010/00104013.jpg

This is another photo where Tatya shows her teeth.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 13, 2009, 08:56:38 AM
There is also one taken at same day, which I am looking for(Aleksei with cousins on sledges). That one (of NII, Tatiana and Aleksei) is used on cover of The Kitchen Boy - by R. Alexander.

I have seen it labeled as winter 1913/4, but on Russian webs 1915/6. I think we have to check their diary entries and to confirm the year. Where it was taken? At Tsarskoe Selo...Then, when NII was at home during WW1 and when Ksenia's sons visited them during winter? When we find answers, we will know what year is. IMO, it is winter 1914/5.

Same day:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=Jednesibirskehladnezimeoko1913Kolja.jpg)

Thanks Nena Is this from that day:
(http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0901/2b/1e91f62fded4t.jpg) (http://radikal.ru/F/s59.radikal.ru/i163/0901/2b/1e91f62fded4.jpg.html)
I think it is.... One of the books which i had read before one or two years was with this cover...

Nope. The girls' skirts are different. You can see a decorative band along the hem of Olga and Anastasia's skirts that's not in the photo of them standing against the snow mountain. So the two photos with Sablin and Ksenia's boys where the Big Pair have walking sticks are the same day, but the third one, posted by nena, of NOTMAA against the wall of snow, is different.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on March 13, 2009, 10:12:37 AM
About that photo.... I know it's taken Autumn in Livadia 1916 if i'm not wrong:

AP 1916, I think, not Livadia. That one I posted can be found in Nicholas' newfound album.  ;-)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on March 13, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
Thanks Sarushka...If those are Xenia's boys where is Irina?

Nena well i saw it labeled as Livadia but in first thought it looked to me as Crimea...but i'm sure its not
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 13, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
About that photo.... I know it's taken Autumn in Livadia 1916 if i'm not wrong:
(http://livadia.org/tanya/images/tanyaeffinbored.jpg)

I think nena is right. The IF did visit Crimean hospitals and Evpatoria in May of 1916, but not their white palace on the Black Sea. By autumn of 1916, they were back in Tsarskoye Selo. Also, the columns in the background appear to match the columns in this photo of Alexandra's balcony on the AP:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/balconies/th_1001375.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/balconies/?action=view&current=1001375.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 13, 2009, 11:37:38 AM
Thanks Sarushka...If those are Xenia's boys where is Irina?

Irina married Felix Yusupov in February of 1914, so by 1915 or 1916 it's more likely that she would have gone visiting with her husband than her brothers. ;-)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on March 15, 2009, 10:34:37 AM
Tatiana Sleeping! (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0171/1002382.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: amartin71718 on March 15, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
Her eyes are just barely open.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on March 15, 2009, 12:51:16 PM
I think Surgeon Feodorovich and Vyrubova can be seen also. Tatiana's eyes are open. I think it is Livadia beach near Black sea, or Finland, ca. 1911.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: RealAnastasia on March 17, 2009, 12:14:13 AM
I think that sunlight could be bothering her eyes, so she looks as if she was sleeping.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on March 17, 2009, 01:32:01 AM
Hihihi..I was just exaggerating my label. I know she isn't sleeping. Smiley

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on July 09, 2009, 03:34:38 AM
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9471/tatian.jpg)

The best smile I've seen she's done!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on July 09, 2009, 08:15:08 AM
Finally, the toothy smile so many have wished for. ;-)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: amartin71718 on July 09, 2009, 08:29:43 AM
 ;D Do you have the full pic?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 09, 2009, 09:47:29 AM
Full pics

Tatiana with soldiers
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_09o7.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/09o7.jpg)

OTM Standart
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_567067.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/567067.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on July 09, 2009, 10:37:24 AM
Tatiana with soldiers
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_09o7.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/09o7.jpg)

That's Sablin on the right. Anyone know who the other man is?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: tian79 on July 09, 2009, 12:52:52 PM
Tatiana with soldiers
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_09o7.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/09o7.jpg)

That's Sablin on the right. Anyone know who the other man is?

He's named as Sablin III in Vyrubova's albums.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on July 10, 2009, 12:10:53 AM
From that picture, we can conclude that Tatiana has the nicest set of teeth among the four. Agree?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 10, 2009, 05:12:56 AM
Yep i don't see any gaps
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on August 17, 2009, 10:39:47 PM
Anna Vyrubova also said that she alone on OTMA seldom laughs.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Mashenka Romanova on September 06, 2009, 07:30:35 PM
It is very hard to find Tatiana smiling,she truly was the most severe member of Otma.
There are several I did find, such as
http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/nikolai-ii-royal-family-romanov-cossack.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/TatianaAlexandra.jpg

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on September 08, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Here's a few:

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/1001983.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/38.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/68.jpg)
Olga looks like she ate something sour here!

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/OTMnew.jpg)
And who could forget this gem?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 08, 2009, 01:06:06 PM
I love these (i believe in the last one there is somewhere smile)
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_02ebf1687df4.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/02ebf1687df4.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_4796.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/4796.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
What beautiful images! Where is she in the second last post? She looks like
on a ship but I'm not sure
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on September 08, 2009, 05:08:09 PM
With Anna Virubova and Olga on Polar star i believe
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 08, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
Polar star is the name of the ship? I suppose it is. Thank you
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Proud_Olga on September 09, 2009, 02:31:01 AM
Polar star is the name of the ship?

Yes, it is. It was Dowager Empress Maria's ship. :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on September 09, 2009, 11:16:16 AM
Also the man behind me is very familiar to me. Could it be Sablin perhaps? I am sure I have seen him somewhere else. It can be my illusion as well, since the man looks like him.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 15, 2009, 07:56:05 AM
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9471/tatian.jpg)

The best smile I've seen she's done!

I think it is not Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on December 15, 2009, 09:25:34 AM
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9471/tatian.jpg)

The best smile I've seen she's done!

I think it is not Tatiana.

The photo on the left is identified as "Grand Duchess Tatiana with N.P Sablin and N.V. Sablin" on page 71 of Desyat' Let na Imperatorskoi Yakhte Shtandart (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=105). It was taken in 1906. Of course, captions are often mistaken, but in this case I believe it's correct. The photos of Maria in this chapter show a girl too young to match this photo. Also, Maria's hairline was curved across the forehead, while her elder sisters' was broader and more square, especially at the temples.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Magdalena on December 15, 2009, 10:28:23 AM
hmm... well, I think it's Maria, not Tatiana - Tatiana had such thin eyebrows, not like Maria here... and also, compare the two pictures, it's the same person - Maria! and the third thing, I think that Tatiana had a completely different smile...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 15, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
hmm... well, I think it's Maria, not Tatiana - Tatiana had such thin eyebrows, not like Maria here... and also, compare the two pictures, it's the same person - Maria! and the third thing, I think that Tatiana had a completely different smile...

I agree with you. When I compare this photo with this: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2272.0 I do not see any similarity with Tatianas smile.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on December 15, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
It's really Tatiana, the shape of the head, the height in 1908, the body shape and she  also has thin eyebrows.
Here's the full of that picture courtesy of TatianaZ:Tatiana (http://radikal.ru/F/i026.radikal.ru/0909/e5/1af80f50b792.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 02:48:04 AM
Definitely Tatiana. Besides the picture appears in "Ten years aboard Imperial yacht Standart" by Sablin (who happens to be in the picture right behind Tatiana, and it is labelled as Tatiana too.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 03:20:31 AM
I don`t know. According ears I think it could be Marija, according hairs (and not only colour) Tatjana.
Ally, I saw books where pictures were marked bad. ;)

BTW: Don`t Marija, Alexej and Tatjana (of course it she`s on the photo but the photo is enough light) gap in the teeth? Anastasija has.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 03:41:10 AM
Welcome to the forum  ;)

Of course there are books with mistakes - even the one mentioned has two. But I´m 100% sure this is Tatiana. Sablin was assigned to her so it´s also logical he would be with her in pictures.

Yes, Maria, Alexei and Olga had gaps :) I don´t think Tatiana did.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Magdalena on December 16, 2009, 10:07:40 AM
hmm, I still think it's Maria. Just compare the picture with some photos of Tatiana smiling:

Here's a few:

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/1001983.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/38.jpg)


even when she's closing her eyes, like in the second one, she looks totally different than the one of OTMA labelled as Tatiana; different chin shape - Tatiana had a more 'triangle' shaped chin, not rounded, like Maria; secondly, Tatiana, when smiling, had small eyebags under her eyes; the third thing is - Tatiana didn't have the gap in the teeth, and the last thing I've noticed now, is that the girl labelled as Tatiana has Maria's hair line, with a little triangle just above the forehead, while Tatiana's hairline was completely straight. and also, in that double picture, the girlie has the same ear shape, although it's the other ear shown - and I think that ears are very helpful when it comes to identify a person, really - today I just had some classes about it :)

and the other thing is, Sablin could have been assigned to her, but well, I am sure he was in the pictures with other girls, too...
anyway, I am still sure it's Maria in the picture we are considering right now:)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 10:15:40 AM
I compared lips (I sued Photoshop) and I think they are similar to Marija.

P.S. Where is this assign?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
P.S. Where is this assign?

In his memoirs he gives names of the sailors assigned to look after the children, himself being the one to look after Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 10:30:17 AM
P.S. Where is this assign?

In his memoirs he gives names of the sailors assigned to look after the children, himself being the one to look after Tatiana.

Hmm, so it needn`t be Tatiana. He could took a picture with another grand duchess.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 10:53:20 AM
hmm, I still think it's Maria. Just compare the picture with some photos of Tatiana smiling:

Here's a few:

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/1001983.jpg)

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/lizziethelezzie/38.jpg)


even when she's closing her eyes, like in the second one, she looks totally different than the one of OTMA labelled as Tatiana; different chin shape - Tatiana had a more 'triangle' shaped chin, not rounded, like Maria; secondly, Tatiana, when smiling, had small eyebags under her eyes; the third thing is - Tatiana didn't have the gap in the teeth, and the last thing I've noticed now, is that the girl labelled as Tatiana has Maria's hair line, with a little triangle just above the forehead, while Tatiana's hairline was completely straight. and also, in that double picture, the girlie has the same ear shape, although it's the other ear shown - and I think that ears are very helpful when it comes to identify a person, really - today I just had some classes about it :)

and the other thing is, Sablin could have been assigned to her, but well, I am sure he was in the pictures with other girls, too...
anyway, I am still sure it's Maria in the picture we are considering right now:)

Besides  hair line I agree. I used Photoshop for modification of levels and it seems to me that thes girl has the gap in the teeth.  Plus the lips are not thin as Tatiana had.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on December 16, 2009, 10:58:21 AM
OTM Standart
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/th_567067.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Grande_DuchesseOlga/567067.jpg)
Excuse my intrusion, but if this is the photo under discussion, surely Tatiana is behind Olga?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 11:02:48 AM
No, this one http://radikal.ru/F/i026.radikal.ru/0909/e5/1af80f50b792.jpg.html

It is Tatiana. She very well could have had a small gap too, especially as child. Besides if you compare the smiling picture with the last one Magda posted (with Alix and the bosy) the resemblance is clear.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on December 16, 2009, 11:10:02 AM
No, this one http://radikal.ru/F/i026.radikal.ru/0909/e5/1af80f50b792.jpg.html
ah...thank you . Well  that is so plainly Tatiana, I didn't think that was the photo under discussion.
Was Maria ever that thin? Also those are Tatians's hands  imo...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
No, this one http://radikal.ru/F/i026.radikal.ru/0909/e5/1af80f50b792.jpg.html

It is Tatiana. She very well could have had a small gap too, especially as child. Besides if you compare the smiling picture with the last one Magda posted (with Alix and the bosy) the resemblance is clear.

I do not agree.

BTW, do you have any photo with Tatiana`s  small gap?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 12:02:49 PM
I can´t find any picture right now, but the girl cannot be Maria. She´s too thin, has different eyebrow, different hairline and there are toher thing. Ht epicture seems clear enough to me. Also there is the caption in the book and even though there are pictures of Sablin with other girls, hever never touches any of them the intimate way he does with Tatiana. In fact I´m amazed anyone could think it´s somebody else.

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 16, 2009, 12:11:11 PM
I can´t find any picture right now, but the girl cannot be Maria. She´s too thin, has different eyebrow, different hairline and there are toher thing. Ht epicture seems clear enough to me. Also there is the caption in the book and even though there are pictures of Sablin with other girls, hever never touches any of them the intimate way he does with Tatiana. In fact I´m amazed anyone could think it´s somebody else.



I agree with hair line. But these ears and lips... .
When you find, send some photo with Tatiana`s gap.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Ally Kumari on December 16, 2009, 01:12:13 PM
There you go

(http://nd01.blog.cz/729/125/36ef1acd30_39959466_v1.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on December 16, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
I agree with Ally and BlessOTMA. It looks like Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: RealAnastasia on December 16, 2009, 10:07:48 PM
Yes. It is Tatiana. For me it's quite clear it's not Maria.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: SweetAngels on December 17, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
I'm not sure what I think, the picture looks much alike Maria smiling, but t could really be Tatiana even do the smile and the face shape looks a lot like Maria. So for me it could either be Maria or Tatiana.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on December 17, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
The child seems too thin, the chin a bit too pointed for Maria. Also the girls hands are not muscular enough to be Maria's imo. Here another photo to compare the two girls around that time.Tatiana's hands look like the child in question hands. Plus Tatiana is holding on to the same gentlemen in this photo as the photo in question. The point about who is holding the children's hands  is a good one. Because  the family often have an arm around each other in the photos , it's sometimes forgotten the incredibly strict protocol in regards to that.(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/tanyatoothy.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/we52.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: wox24 on December 17, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
I think I am going to compare photos with a grafical program.  :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Magdalena on December 17, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
blessOTMA, thanks for your pictures, they made me think even MORE that the girl on the photo we are talking about is Maria, not Tatiana.

just compare their jawlines, chins and the noses.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on December 17, 2009, 06:40:48 PM
blessOTMA, thanks for your pictures, they made me think even MORE that the girl on the photo we are talking about is Maria, not Tatiana.just compare their jawlines, chins and the noses.
Well It's the chin and Tatiana's longer nose that convinces me it'sTatiana! lol! But the hands as well .
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on December 17, 2009, 08:37:20 PM
Tatiana has no gap between her upper incisors while Maria has.
In this picture: The girl's two front teeth have no gap (not due to the lighting - even if the light's so bright,one can see whoever has a gap or none,IMO.) or the girl has considerably a very small gap between her upper incisors.  (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/art%20and%20romanovs/tanyatoothy.jpg)

In the second photo posted by blessOTMA, the position of Maria's head made it hard to discern how big her gap between her upper incisors was. But, if one has a bigger version of that photo (or if one looks closely at the photo), you can she has a bigger gap than the girl with Sablin (who I think was Tatiana). To have a clearer  look of how big the gap between Maria's two front teeth is, see this picture. (although it's from 1912, I greatly believe this is how big her gap was even when she was younger.) (http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0034/1000051.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on December 18, 2009, 08:30:09 AM
About the date of the last one you posted, I would guess it is rather more 1913, taken during IF's visit to Crimea. I can guess by Tatiana's hair, which had been shaved in spring of 1913, so by that Autumn it would have grown up.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Павэл on May 11, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
Hello - just picked up OTMA again (last month) after an 9 - year 'holiday' (everyone thought I was nuts). Amazing to see I am not the only one! And very gratifying. I've got huge amounts at home, but no scanner I'm afraid. Will try down the library soon.

Try these at livadia.org

(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairwendyhouse.jpg)

(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/familyfrance.jpg)

(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/girlsbabynickygermany.jpg)

Pavel Mikhailovitch
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Павэл on May 11, 2010, 11:36:46 AM
The one with her squinting and wearing a sailor's outfits - her hair is dark and shiny, which would be Tatiana. On all the ones I've seen of Maria her hair either doesn't shine or only very slightly and is slightly lighter.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on May 12, 2010, 12:03:31 AM
Hello - just picked up OTMA again (last month) after an 9 - year 'holiday' (everyone thought I was nuts). Amazing to see I am not the only one! And very gratifying. I've got huge amounts at home, but no scanner I'm afraid. Will try down the library soon. Pavel Mikhailovitch
Welcome back. Romanov fever only goes  dormant , but  never  away! lol!
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/smiles.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Павэл on May 12, 2010, 01:27:20 AM
Couple more - found these at

http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/index2.html

(http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/hulnahusarpotet.jpg)
(http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/girlsalixandanya.jpg)
(http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/naotmaa1.jpg)
(http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/nicholasolgatatianamariaandanastasi.jpg)
(http://www.freewebs.com/tatiana-romanov/Album1/ca2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Павэл on May 12, 2010, 01:38:44 AM
Welcome back. Romanov fever only goes  dormant , but  never  away! lol!

:)

And now, at spring's bright invitation,
He quits his place of hibernation
Close as the marmot would require
The double windows the snug fire
And one fine morning finds him flying
Past the Neva in swift sleigh
On the streaked ice the sunbeams play
Upon the streets the snow is lying
By thaw and grimy steps defaced.
But whither in such anxious haste
Does Eugene drive? Yes, I suspected
You knew the answer - as you say:
This same odd fellow, uncorrected,
To his Tatyana makes his way.


Eugene Onegin (Pushkin)

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on June 17, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
Quote
And now, at spring's bright invitation,
He quits his place of hibernation
Close as the marmot would require
The double windows the snug fire
And one fine morning finds him flying
Past the Neva in swift sleigh
On the streaked ice the sunbeams play
Upon the streets the snow is lying
By thaw and grimy steps defaced.
But whither in such anxious haste
Does Eugene drive? Yes, I suspected
You knew the answer - as you say:
This same odd fellow, uncorrected,
To his Tatyana makes his way.


I amended that poem a bit.

And now, at spring's bright invitation,
He quits his place of hibernation
Close as the marmot would require
The double windows the snug fire
And one fine morning finds him flying
Past the Neva in swift sleigh
On the streaked ice the sunbeams play
Upon the streets the snow is lying
By thaw and grimy steps defaced.
But whither in such anxious haste
Does Dimitri drive? Yes, I suspected
You knew the answer - as you say:
This same odd fellow, uncorrected,
To his Tatiana makes his way.

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on June 20, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9471/tatian.jpg)

The best smile I've seen she's done!

I think it is not Tatiana.

At the risk of dragging out a discussion, the one labelled Tatiana IS Tatiana.

Don't believe me? She has the same face in this photo, minus teeth being exposed, and the exact same guys are with her:

(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/qo-1-1.jpg)

I think people are simply thrown off because it's a fairly candid picture. Not too many shots of them show teeth, so you may not recognise so quickly. And usually Tatiana seems reserved, whereas these two photographs show her silly side.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on June 20, 2010, 11:26:24 PM
Cute! That one sitting on the shore is new to me. That is Tatiana and for alot of reasons...hair line , nose and in the fuller photo, her  hands. Her hands were much slimmer than Marie's imo etc.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on June 20, 2010, 11:37:46 PM

At the risk of dragging out a discussion, the one labelled Tatiana IS Tatiana.

Don't believe me? She has the same face in this photo, minus teeth being exposed, and the exact same guys are with her:
http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab193/RomanovMartyrs/qo-1-1.jpg

I think people are simply thrown off because it's a fairly candid picture. Not too many shots of them show teeth, so you may not recognise so quickly. And usually Tatiana seems reserved, whereas these two photographs show her silly side.
Oh, this is Olga : ) It's really, really true that Olga and Tatiana look alike in some poses very much : )
But, I believe that the one grinning (on the left pic) is Tatiana...I just don't know where to get another evidence as all evidences have been posted here : )
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on June 20, 2010, 11:54:27 PM
Oh, this is Olga : ) 
You mean with the two officers on the beach? I beg to differ ( that  means I disagree! lol! )
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on June 21, 2010, 12:37:13 AM
Yes, I mean that pic ; ) But I'm guessing it's Olga because of the forehead....
Is that pic (of the girl on the shore) taken in 1908? I think it was...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Nicolá De Valerón on June 21, 2010, 06:44:09 AM
Oh, this is Olga : ) 
You mean with the two officers on the beach? I beg to differ ( that  means I disagree! lol! )

Friendly five cents;).

"Two officers on the beach" with Tatiana are: Naval Guard officers, Nicholay Pavlovich Sablin (1880-1937, France) and Buxhoeveden Gerbert Ottovich (1877-1937). Btw, Buxhoeveden stayed in the USSR, lived as a simple man, was suffered in the concentration camps and finally was repressed/killed in 1937 in Krasnoyarsk.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on June 21, 2010, 09:24:11 AM
Yes, I mean that pic ; ) But I'm guessing it's Olga because of the forehead....Is that pic (of the girl on the shore) taken in 1908? I think it was...
imo that forehead still isn't in Olga Nicholaievna's league lol! ...also look at that little chin and grin. Just imo. However I agree it's 1908
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Tasia on June 21, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
I think that the girl sitting in the shore is Tatiana xD
BUT THE GIRL next to Tatiana in the photo comparison is weird for me o-o.
LOL
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: AnastasiaNikolaevna on July 04, 2010, 12:20:26 PM
Hey, sorry if someone has already posted this pic, but this is my favorite http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/tatianastandart.jpg
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on July 07, 2010, 10:47:17 PM
Tatiana smiling as Dimitri Pavlovich leaps over a fence. Anastasia, Marie and Nicholas also look on...Alexis in the back ground.
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/th_DPjumping.jpg) (http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Tatiana%20Nicolaievna/?action=view&current=DPjumping.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Alice_Karadjordjavic on August 24, 2010, 10:38:52 PM

With cousins again and Alexandra, 1908. (Is it just me or Maria looks taller then her big sisters on this one?)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_e9d9c4cd.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/e9d9c4cd.jpg)



This may be a dumb question, but who is that boy between them?Thanks for having patience.:)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Katya_C on August 25, 2010, 06:03:23 AM

With cousins again and Alexandra, 1908. (Is it just me or Maria looks taller then her big sisters on this one?)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/th_e9d9c4cd.jpg) (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/Sophia144/Peterhof%201/e9d9c4cd.jpg)



This may be a dumb question, but who is that boy between them?Thanks for having patience.:)

Prince Oleg (left-center), Prince Constantine (right-center), sons of Grand Duke Constantine Constantinovich

Katya C.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on August 26, 2010, 03:48:39 AM
Still i prefer this quality and size from Beinecke :
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/th_2891ea1b88_40011198_o2.jpg) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac333/Ioanna_Of_Bulgaria/2891ea1b88_40011198_o2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Alice_Karadjordjavic on August 26, 2010, 08:56:04 AM
They look the same size, but I do like the brown-shaded one, gives me warmth.:)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on August 27, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
Well, there was no such thing as coloured photographs back then :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on August 27, 2010, 07:28:10 PM
Yes, with the exception when Anastasia Nichoalievna colors black and white photos in her albums. By the way, I am sure that I have seen somewhere colored photos of Russia taken in 1910s. (There was a specific thread and link about it).
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on August 28, 2010, 12:08:15 AM
Indeed nena . in 1909 Nicholas commissioned Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii to go around Russia  and take colour photos. They are amazing. Here's a link below. The mystery is why didn't Nicholas  have Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii start his mission at AP and have his family photographed in color!??

AAAFFGHH!

It was an intensely laborious process back then


http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 29, 2010, 05:03:00 PM
There was a rumor that pictures of the IF in color were taken, but have been lost.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on August 29, 2010, 07:39:50 PM
Quite possible. I have seen whole series of St.Petersburg photos taken in 1896, including one of Nicholas II in color taken during their coronation.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Condecontessa on August 30, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
If "in color" pictures were taken of the IF, surely they would have included it in their family album and be sent to relatives since it was the newest innovation back then. Does anyone know if it was taken months before the revolution? I'm wondering since it is similar to Faberge's last easter egg for the Empress.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on August 30, 2010, 03:55:17 PM
As far as I know color photos have been only been rumored, just as photos from Ipative have been rumored to exist......but sadly colour photos seem simply a  rumor /wish.
Quote
surely they would have included it in their family album and be sent to relatives since it was the newest innovation back then
Exactly...that it was causes me to think it's not true...sad and a mystery since Nicholas commissioned this gentleman to take color photos all over Russia...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on August 30, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
time for a photo! Scanned my myself so nice and big!

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_tanya1907.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/tanya1907.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on September 19, 2010, 08:31:10 PM
Tatiana on the tennis court made of boards
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/TNsmiling.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on September 19, 2010, 11:25:22 PM
That is very beautiful, dearie Annie! Is it still from Sablin's book?
This looks like it was taken in 1912 and in Finland (?)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on September 20, 2010, 01:20:55 AM
That is very beautiful, dearie Annie! Is it still from Sablin's book?
That is correct :)They are often small and fuzzy...but I'm doing what I cam with them. Wish I could read the book! 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on September 20, 2010, 01:17:15 PM
New to me too. Thank you!!!

This looks like it was taken in 1912 and in Finland (?)

I guess so.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 01, 2010, 02:39:55 AM
I guess this is a Tatiana smiling photo...though she's not the focus. It's pure conjecture on my part , but from looking at this photo, I would say the Imp fell off the see saw or the walking stilts (  which seem next to her) and looks quite crestfallen about it as everyone laughs( which she hates of course) even the sailors are staring  ....Olga is  straightening  her sister's  hat and is really breaking up...Tatiana can't keep a straight face , the Tsar looks merry...only the usually impish Anastasia looks glum...

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_TAON1913.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/TAON1913.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 07, 2010, 01:21:34 AM
another Tatiana smiling  photo and as a bonus, Olga smiling too! They are frankly stunning in those furs.
The book I scanned this from says they and their father  are pictured with the  148 Caspian regiment and it's 1914
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_148caspian1914.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/148caspian1914.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 11, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_TNtennis.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/TNtennis.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 14, 2010, 11:50:58 PM
Here's another and as a bonus, Olga smiling too. How gorgeous they were

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_BPhats.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/BPhats.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 25, 2010, 01:35:11 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_BPN.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/BPN.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on October 25, 2010, 06:30:33 AM
Where was this one taken?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on October 25, 2010, 08:50:13 AM
It's been a while since I've seen the full photo, but I think it may have been in front of the Catherine Palace.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: larri* on October 25, 2010, 09:29:48 AM
Yes, it was taken in front of the Catherine Palace. Here is the full image:
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6021/1911otcatherinepalace.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/1911otcatherinepalace.jpg/)

BlessOTMA, thank you again for your scans!! =)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 25, 2010, 01:27:34 PM
New to me! I love it!  :) Thank you.  :-*  1912, I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: matushka on October 25, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
18 May 1911, for the 100 anniversary of the Joint Regiment.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: matushka on October 25, 2010, 03:12:11 PM
another Tatiana smiling  photo and as a bonus, Olga smiling too! They are frankly stunning in those furs.
The book I scanned this from says they and their father  are pictured with the  148 Caspian regiment and it's 1914
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_148caspian1914.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/148caspian1914.jpg)

Does anyone have the whole picture, I lost my one. Thanks in advance. By the way, certainly not 1914. Probably 22 december 1912.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on October 25, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
It's not complete, but it's fuller...

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/military/th_nickytatianaolga22dec1912.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/NAOTMAA%20assorted/military/?action=view&current=nickytatianaolga22dec1912.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 26, 2010, 01:07:19 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1912-1.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1912-1.jpg)

sorry for the line down the middle. One of the officers is dressed in the uniform of 1812, to the left.
Thanks everyone for the info
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on October 26, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
One of the officers is dressed in the uniform of 1812, to the left.
Thanks everyone for the info
Uniform of 1812!? Wow! It's easy to discern him.  :D  Y'know, it's funny, I always thought it was Maria with Tatiana, not Olga.  ??? But, then again, they do look similar.  :-X
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 29, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
Okay Tim, this is for you! Tanya 1911

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/th_1911TN.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20this%20and%20that/1911TN.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on October 30, 2010, 12:48:55 PM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Condecontessa on October 30, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
The pic blessotma posted of Tatiana 1911 was taken at the Crimea :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on October 30, 2010, 10:36:11 PM
The picture is printed in Prince George book as a full figure...but I scanned just the top part so I may get Tanya's face large as possible...
I also lower the contrast so we may better see her expression. TN's sweetness shines though in this photo as well as her innate grace 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on November 02, 2010, 10:23:45 PM
This the first photo in the book, Royal Russia . But though the magic of photo enlargement we can see
the faces of  Marie, Olga,  Anastasia and a smiling Tatiana,  while sitting in a sleigh...I believe it was snowing . Looks like the winter of 1916
 (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/KR%20funeral%20painting/th_OTMAsnow.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/KR%20funeral%20painting/OTMAsnow.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 05, 2011, 11:50:19 PM
from the 3rd yale album

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_TNAN.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/TNAN.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on May 10, 2011, 12:50:37 AM
Seems to be a bit of a smile there =)
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_BPpostcard.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/BPpostcard.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on May 18, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_OTMAhospital.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/OTMAhospital.jpg)

It's just recently I realized the  Imp is in this photo of OTMA leaving the palace hospital...and I only saw her because I thought," she HAS to be there " and she is...peeking behind the smiling TN
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: OTMA1918 on February 13, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
I'm sorry if this has been posted but I wasn't patient to look at all 14 pages ! http://i50.beon.ru/25/44/804425/29/38354229/1af80f50b792.jpeg (http://i50.beon.ru/25/44/804425/29/38354229/1af80f50b792.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on February 13, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
I can't see it...could you post the link please?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on February 13, 2012, 03:31:32 PM
I changed it to a link but it's still not working.

OTMA1918, do you have a Photobucket or Imageshack account? You'll need to upload the photo to one of these external hosts in order to post it here.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: OTMA1918 on March 03, 2012, 09:27:38 AM
 http://alixdagmar.beon.ru/13189-073-e-i-v-vl-kn-tat-jana-nikolaevna.zhtml  - the 10th photo I think :) I'm sorry for the late response.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 04, 2012, 05:42:33 AM
http://alixdagmar.beon.ru/13189-073-e-i-v-vl-kn-tat-jana-nikolaevna.zhtml  - the 10th photo I think :) I'm sorry for the late response.

The girls with officer? She's not definitely Tatiana, and i'm pretty sure she's Maria
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Rodney_G. on March 04, 2012, 03:16:16 PM
That's Maria ; and a sweet touch all around with the hand-holding.  They're both pretty happy.there.    That photo captures perfectly the GDs and  'their' officers  and the affection shared.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on March 04, 2012, 03:47:31 PM
That photo was discussed earlier on this thread I believe, and a pic of Maria and Tatiana was compared, here it is again:

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9471/tatian.jpg)

Here is another clearer pic of Maria smiling, showing her teeth:
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg16/scaled.php?server=16&filename=81309087.jpg&res=medium)

In my opinion, the girl on the left is Tatiana, and as said in this thread, has been labelled as Tatiana :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on March 04, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
For what it's worth, she's labeled as Tatiana in Nikolai Vasilevich Sablin's memoir (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=105).
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 04, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
TN on the left...she hasn't Marie's tooth gap also no Marie widow's peak. In the full photo, her hands are TN's thinner ones as well imo
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 05, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
That girl is really TN and not MN?
Oh, so i'm sorry i corrected OTMA 1918 but i still see MN and not TN O_O
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: otmafan on March 05, 2012, 10:08:00 AM
I must agree that the picture on the left looks like Maria.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 06, 2012, 12:19:53 AM
For quick reference, one can see Marie's widow peak in Jen_94 's avatar...and then see how it's missing in the photo on the left. The hair line is straight. 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 27, 2012, 12:29:12 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_TNsmiling.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/TNsmiling.jpg)
T, A and M 1913
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 27, 2012, 12:37:24 AM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_TNsmiling.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/TNsmiling.jpg)
T, A and M 1913

Is it in the carriage dfuring trecentenary celebration, isn't it? Lovely :)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 27, 2012, 12:54:09 AM
Quote
author=Sunny link=topic=2272.msg504828#msg504828 date=1332826644]
Is it in the carriage during tercentenary celebration, isn't it? Lovely :)
Exactly! Olga and Aunt Ella are sitting across from the the girls =)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 27, 2012, 06:44:25 AM
So l - r Tn, An and Mn right?
Mn's face is just... confused! Poor thing, she seems lost! The same expression she had during procession arm in arm with Kirill, LOL (it was Kirill, was it?)
But TN and AN seem amused, i really'd like to know what they were looking at!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on March 27, 2012, 03:07:05 PM
Yep, it is T, A, M!

Maria does look a little lost in that pic, like you said Sunny, same goes with the video.

I've read she was with Grand Duke Boris, and Tatiana with Kyrill. Doesn't Tatiana crack a little smile in this video? (Credit to Lisa, found on another thread)!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1f.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1f.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 27, 2012, 07:59:36 PM
Yes, and in  another moment TN points at  the camera filming them , so it seems it  amused her the camera was so close ...and then her blank, on the job face comes back! lol!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 28, 2012, 12:46:00 AM
Yep, it is T, A, M!

I've read she was with Grand Duke Boris, and Tatiana with Kyrill.

Oh thanks! I really have problems recognizing Kirill and his brother Boris. Andrew is the only one i recognize at once...

Yes, and in  another moment TN points at  the camera filming them , so it seems it  amused her the camera was so close ...and then her blank, on the job face comes back! lol!

I can imagine her: "Oh, gosh, why is it the camera so close?" (nervous laugh)
MN seems a fish out of the water. She makes me move *.*
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on March 28, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
MN does seem like a fish out of water in that video, yes.

Yes, she was the only one I really noticed smiling the most in that video, if my memory serves me correctly. Within seconds though, as you said, serious face. I like that short video.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Vanya Ivanova on March 29, 2012, 10:40:01 AM

I'm certain both smiling pictures are Maria, Tatiana's eyes were much more almond shaped so in pictures where she is smiling they lift up slightly, also her nose was slightly longer a bit like Alexandra's,either way they are charming images thanks for posting them.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on March 29, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
it really depends on how much of the footage is shown at a given time ...often TN pointing and laughing is edited out. Marie looks to the sky I believe  like in pain and the Imp giggles up to Dimity P...if memory serves
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on March 30, 2012, 12:33:41 AM
Marie looks to the sky I believe  like in pain

Something suggest me she did not really enjoyed Boris' company... LOL

the Imp giggles up to Dimity P.

I bet they had a wonderful time together; they both were such good at making other laughing!

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on March 30, 2012, 02:58:52 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1j.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1j.jpg)

Yes, you can see Imp looks up, as if she is going to giggle!

Sunny, I agree about MN and Boris!! She probably did not...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Padawan Ryan on April 02, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Not sure if this was posted yet - I went through the thread but I may have missed it;

(http://livadia.org/tanya/images/girls1911standart.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on April 05, 2012, 03:55:41 AM
They look so sweet in this picture.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on April 05, 2012, 10:20:08 AM
What is Maria standing on? Funny how she towers above her siblings and poor little Nastya looks so tiny, lol.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on April 05, 2012, 02:30:51 PM
Nastya looks so small, I agree! Maria definitely looks like she is standing on something...maybe a box of some sort?

I agree with Tim, they do look very sweet.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on April 06, 2012, 10:30:36 PM
They are standing in front of a hatch....might be a curb there...and yes, adorable!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Condecontessa on April 07, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
From what I can recall the GD's are standing by the wheel house of the Standart
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on April 07, 2012, 11:46:34 PM
I can now see what Marie is standing on. It's visible in the lower right hand corner between TN and the officer. It's part of the hatch. She's standing in its door way. They might have just come up from below deck.

I think they wore these hats and veils  to help with insects!

(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_TNANNA.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/TNANNA.jpg)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on June 30, 2012, 03:32:26 PM
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/th_TNsmiling.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/AP%20Postings%202/TNsmiling.jpg)

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on June 30, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
Do we know anything more about the photo above you posted BlessOTMA? Year, location (Standart?), occasion?

Love seeing Tatiana's smile. Not so easily revealed at public gatherings. Everyone looks to be in a normal salute and M&A clearly aren't smiling. I wonder what Olga (heading turning towards) might have been saying to her sister then...?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: larri* on July 01, 2012, 06:17:57 AM
Do we know anything more about the photo above you posted BlessOTMA? Year, location (Standart?), occasion?

Love seeing Tatiana's smile. Not so easily revealed at public gatherings. Everyone looks to be in a normal salute and M&A clearly aren't smiling. I wonder what Olga (heading turning towards) might have been saying to her sister then...?

According to the Russian State Archives, the picture was taken the first of July 1914 in Kronstdat, during the opening of the Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich dock.

BTW, BlessOTMA thank you very much for posting the picture. I had it but not in very good quality and now that I see it clearer I really like it =)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on July 01, 2012, 06:38:57 AM
Thank you for posting that photo. Its a nice photo and it is nice to see Tatiana smiling in it too!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on July 01, 2012, 08:50:20 AM
Do we know anything more about the photo above you posted BlessOTMA? Year, location (Standart?), occasion?

Love seeing Tatiana's smile. Not so easily revealed at public gatherings. Everyone looks to be in a normal salute and M&A clearly aren't smiling. I wonder what Olga (heading turning towards) might have been saying to her sister then...?

According to the Russian State Archives, the picture was taken the first of July 1914 in Kronstdat, during the opening of the Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich dock.

BTW, BlessOTMA thank you very much for posting the picture. I had it but not in very good quality and now that I see it clearer I really like it =)

Thanks for the info! So Maria would have just turned 15. Her hair is up. The standard for that at the time was 16 although I'm aware they let her put her hair up earlier...was it an entire year earlier though?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on July 01, 2012, 09:58:09 AM
There are bunch of photos taken at the same ceremony, the GARF clearly explains that those were taken in 1914, and not in 1915, as it was believed before. I'll try to find some more info. on ceremony. Yes, Maria started wearing her hair up earlier. Maybe because she looked older and mature? 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on July 01, 2012, 10:41:36 AM
There are bunch of photos taken at the same ceremony, the GARF clearly explains that those were taken in 1914, and not in 1915, as it was believed before. I'll try to find some more info. on ceremony. Yes, Maria started wearing her hair up earlier. Maybe because she looked older and mature?  

I can't believe her sisters wouldn't have complained..."Umm why mother is it that Maria gets to do at 15 what Tatiana and myself had to wait until 16 for?" -- Olga. The Imp I'd think would have pitched a fit as well about not being able to pin the hair up that her sister go to earlier than usual, lol.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sunny on July 01, 2012, 12:04:52 PM
There are bunch of photos taken at the same ceremony, the GARF clearly explains that those were taken in 1914, and not in 1915, as it was believed before. I'll try to find some more info. on ceremony. Yes, Maria started wearing her hair up earlier. Maybe because she looked older and mature? 

I remember that someone (maybe Kalafrana?) once in a thread about young Alix explained that the standart for girls to wear longskirts & pin up their hair was 16, but if they were tall and looked older they could do it earlier, like Alix did (it seems). So i assume this was why maria's hair was up before she was 16.
I clerarly also remember a photo of Maria taken on the deck of the Standart with her hair up - we know the last time they went on the Standart for a cruise was in 1914, the same years of the photo BlessOTMA posted. I think we can so assume that in summer 1914 Maria's hair was already up both in public and private occasions.
This is the photo i'm talking about:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/1914mariastandart.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/1914mariastandart.jpg/)

I can't believe her sisters wouldn't have complained..."Umm why mother is it that Maria gets to do at 15 what Tatiana and myself had to wait until 16 for?" -- Olga. The Imp I'd think would have pitched a fit as well about not being able to pin the hair up that her sister go to earlier than usual, lol.

LOL

I wonder what Olga (heading turning towards) might have been saying to her sister then...?

I was thinking of it too! Something tells me it was a moment of a "carefree and happy" Olga, the mischievous side, and TN is smiling because ON told her something funny!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on July 01, 2012, 02:09:33 PM
Must admit, Maria does look lovely with her hair up. :) I love that photo you posted of Maria Sunny, one of my favourites of an older Maria. Thats interesting about what Alix said about the girls pinning their hair up early if they looked older. I'd never heard that before!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on July 02, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
I think it's interesting  that Governess  is smiling , and yet  Marie looks concerned....seems at ceremonies  it's often the other way lol!
Title: Tatiana with a big smile!
Post by: Olga.N.Romanova on December 08, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
http://ohsoromanov.tumblr.com/image/16035678467
Title: Re: Tatiana with a big smile!
Post by: Olga.N.Romanova on December 08, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
She look so pretty when she smiles :D
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Lady Macduff on January 21, 2013, 05:06:33 PM
Lol, THAT picture. In the debate over whether it's Tatiana or Maria I've always come down firmly on the Maria side, but I think now I might be wrong. And ohsoromanov is awesome, for the record.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on January 21, 2013, 06:34:55 PM
Yes, ohsoromanov is a brilliant tumblr blog for Romanov needs :)

And yeah, THAT picture. I will say it once more: Tatiana. I always enjoy debating over that photo, lol!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: blessOTMA on January 22, 2013, 10:59:19 PM
I always point out there's no gap in the front teeth like Marie had
AND her hands...much thinner's  than Marie's

my 2 cents : TN
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Rodney_G. on January 23, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
I always point out there's no gap in the front teeth like Marie had
AND her hands...much thinner's  than Marie's

my 2 cents : TN

I pretty much agreee, though it's surprising there's any confusion about who it is in the first place, since Marie and Tatiana are the least likely possibilities in most of all the potential  two GD identity disputes.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 01, 2013, 12:54:42 AM

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Quoted from Olga.N.Romanova: http://ohsoromanov.tumblr.com/image/16035678467

Quoted from Lady Macduff:Lol, THAT picture. In the debate over whether it's Tatiana or Maria I've always come down firmly on the Maria side, but I think now I might be wrong. And ohsoromanov is awesome, for the record.

Quoted from Jen_94: And yeah, THAT picture. I will say it once more: Tatiana. I always enjoy debating over that photo, lol!


This is undoubtedly Tatiana as seen here (http://www.statearchive.ru/435?page=4); on the last row, first picture on the left ^^

XD I remember the time I posted that photo in page 7 and the rest who  posted agreed that it's Tatiana until 2 members disagreed, and a debate ensued. The issue has been raised again in page 14. Fortunately, a lot thinks it really is Tatiana : D

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Kassafrass on November 25, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.

For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.

This one - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-269.jpg - Is listed as being Maria and Anastasia and it's clearly Olga and Tatiana as we know from this one: http://nd06.jxs.cz/487/242/65d0d88505_96066779_v1.jpg

Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 26, 2013, 04:48:14 AM

I haven't looked at every description that is in that website. It's better to say they did a half right-half wrong work in identification ^^

For me that one you think is Tatiana is Anastasia. From how I see it, the girl was smaller, but that's just my opinion - I don't know for others ^^
I agree with you - that one identified as M & A is definitely wrong. I think they thought those girls to be the Little Pair because Maria resembles Olga, and in that picture, Tatiana looks like Anastasia (I don't know if you notice it?)
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Rodney_G. on November 26, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.

For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.

This one - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-269.jpg - Is listed as being Maria and Anastasia and it's clearly Olga and Tatiana as we know from this one: http://nd06.jxs.cz/487/242/65d0d88505_96066779_v1.jpg



On that last one: nicely  identified, Kassy.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Kassafrass on November 26, 2013, 09:17:21 PM

I haven't looked at every description that is in that website. It's better to say they did a half right-half wrong work in identification ^^

For me that one you think is Tatiana is Anastasia. From how I see it, the girl was smaller, but that's just my opinion - I don't know for others ^^
I agree with you - that one identified as M & A is definitely wrong. I think they thought those girls to be the Little Pair because Maria resembles Olga, and in that picture, Tatiana looks like Anastasia (I don't know if you notice it?)

I don't think that it's Tatiana - I think it's Anastasia. The website has it marked as Tatiana.

And yes, I agree that TA looked alike and OM looked like :) But they're carrying the same trunk and are even in the same stance, with Olga being too tall to be Maria at that time.

On that last one: nicely  identified, Kassy.

Why, thank you!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 27, 2013, 03:13:02 AM

Quote
I don't think that it's Tatiana - I think it's Anastasia. The website has it marked as Tatiana.
I'm very sorry for my mistake, Kassy - I thought otherwise yesterday... I hope I didn't offend you. As always, my weak power in understanding English is in the works again. To make up for that, I'm going to correct myself : )

Quote
For example, this one is listed as being Tatiana - http://www.statearchive.ru/assets/galleries/435/ron-090.jpg - it's always seemed to be Anastasia to me based on the size and the fact that I can't see Tatiana doing that.
I agree with you that girl is Anastasia. Aside from what you said, Tatiana also would not do something that would make Olga admonish her like that ^^

I think that person who did the identification for those photos is not a Romanov fan : ))
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on November 27, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
Yeah, how can one mistake Anastasia for Tatiana!? 
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: nena on November 27, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
Unfortunately in my experience the Russian archives site does not have the best identification in their captions.
It depends on which site. Official GARF site for each IF photo (and album) gives exact and precize description on place and date. :-)

Yeah, how can one mistake Anastasia for Tatiana!?  
Errare humanum est. (To err is human). Even notable Romanov books contain wrong caption. Take it easy. I know that pokes our eyes, but the girls were very similar, even some Romanov experts (I don't think I am) can't recognize/decide which GD is in the photo.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on November 27, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
Errare humanum est. (To err is human). Even notable Romanov books contain wrong caption. Take it easy. I know that pokes our eyes, but the girls were very similar, even some Romanov experts (I don't think I am) can't recognize/decide which GD is in the photo.

I somewhat agree with this. The only thing I take issue with is that, along the lines of what Tim was saying, it's hard to believe one could mistake Tatiana for Anastasia and not even question it. And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Kassafrass on November 27, 2013, 01:28:13 PM

I'm very sorry for my mistake, Kassy - I thought otherwise yesterday... I hope I didn't offend you. As always, my weak power in understanding English is in the works again. To make up for that, I'm going to correct myself : )

I agree with you that girl is Anastasia. Aside from what you said, Tatiana also would not do something that would make Olga admonish her like that ^^

No offense taken at all. Just wanted to clarify :-) Yes, it seems to me that it doesn't make sense for Tatiana, who was known as "The Governess" to do something so silly, and the girl is obviously small.

And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?

Sounds like a good idea to me. I never understood why people did that, unless they were completely sure of who it was and just happened to be mistaken. It causes so much confusion and incorrect facts, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Sarushka on November 27, 2013, 11:20:36 PM
And if indeed you were unsure which GD it was it stands to reason that you would either A) take the time to find out before publishing, or B) simply leave the photo out of your book altogether. Yes?

Folks, people make mistakes. The largest and most reputable sources for archival photos (Getty, Corbis, LOC, etc.) have captions on some of their Romanov photos that would make us laugh. Not everybody knows better because not everybody knows the imperial family by sight as well as APTM members. It's as simple as that. Even top-notch authors like Fuhrmann, Khrustalev, King, Rappaport, and Steinberg have goofs in their captions. I wish readers would learn to accept this more gracefully.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: edubs31 on November 28, 2013, 08:26:14 AM
I apologize if my previous post came off overly critical. Honestly it doesn't bother me much at all but I can see why others get picky. It's just that with literally thousands of photos to choose from it seems odd, almost like going out of ones way, to choose an imagine that could be mistaken. Blurry photo? Dump it. Obstructed view? Don't bother. Even a shadow of a doubt of what GD that might be? Next!

Of course it's only the hardcore Romanov crowd that's likely to take notice of an incorrect caption. For an average reader just getting started on the subject or someone who has general interest in the time period they probably won't notice. I'd think that these latter two groups are who the photo inserts are really for in the first place. For those of in the AP crowd, really, who needs them? Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy flipping through photos in the middle of a Romanov book as much as the next person. But with the thousands photos on the AP/web there's little chance that something is going to make its way into a book that I haven't seen before, and with better clarity, on the internet.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Kassafrass on November 28, 2013, 02:47:33 PM
I understand that people make mistakes, but I agree with edubs in that if they are uncertain of who it is, they shouldn't be posting it under a caption in a book or a website where people mean to take them as fact. It's just a way to limit misunderstanding. That being said, there are some times where you think you know for sure (happens to all of us) and you make a mistake. That's where I understand the human error.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on November 28, 2013, 09:51:53 PM

No offense taken at all. Just wanted to clarify :-) Yes, it seems to me that it doesn't make sense for Tatiana, who was known as "The Governess" to do something so silly, and the girl is obviously small.
Many thanks for your kindness and understanding, Kassy! : )
I think she was also capableof doing Shvibzik behavior ... she couldn't have done this but she did:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8540/36492405.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2638/fgdga.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2677/66330544.jpg

xD photos from Lisa (clockworkgirl) : ))
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Kassafrass on November 30, 2013, 05:18:21 PM
Oh I'm sure she was capable of being silly, but maybe it took Anastasia to break the ice and create the silly environment.

She was special that way...
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Jen_94 on December 02, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
Oh I do love those pictures, they're pretty funny actually.
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: Olga Maria on February 07, 2014, 12:34:56 AM
Many, many thanks as usual to TatianaZ! Yes!! Tatiana is smiling here!
http://s004.radikal.ru/i207/1402/6c/54d7a4056ee2.jpg
http://i074.radikal.ru/1402/14/82513fb8c23c.jpg

She's soo cute in that photo of her aboard Standart! Look at that smile - it glows!!
Title: Re: Tatiana Smiling?
Post by: TimM on April 08, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
It sure does glow.