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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Danish Royal Family => Topic started by: Frederika on March 09, 2005, 06:09:40 AM

Title: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Frederika on March 09, 2005, 06:09:40 AM
why has Elisabeth never been married?
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: TampaBay on March 09, 2005, 08:07:42 AM
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why has Elisabeth never been married?


Who is Elizabeth of Denmark?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Eurohistory on March 09, 2005, 09:13:43 AM
Elisabeth is the child of Prince Knud of Denmark and his wife Princess Caroline Mathilde, also born a Princess of Denmark.

Knud was the younger brother of King Frederik IX.

Princess Elisabet was born in 1935 and for years had a relationship with a non-royal gentleman, but unlike her brothers who married commoners and lost their dynastic rights, Elisabeth never married and remains a dynast in Denmark.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: kmerov on March 09, 2005, 05:22:25 PM
Its always hard to say why someone hasnt married, unless they have said something about it...As Arturo said, she had a relationship with a man for many years, and it only enden cause of his death some years ago. They were seen in public so she didnt hide him!
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Marlene on March 10, 2005, 10:18:33 AM
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Its always hard to say why someone hasnt married, unless they have said something about it...As Arturo said, she had a relationship with a man for many years, and it only enden cause of his death some years ago. They were seen in public so she didnt hide him!



The Princess for some years worked at the Royal Danish embassy in Washington, D.C.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 16, 2006, 08:39:46 AM
Prince Knud Christian Frederik Michael of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, Hereditary Prince of Denmark, was born july 27 1900 at Fredensborg Castle.

He was the youngest son of King Christian X and Queen Alexandrine.

In 1933, he married his cousin, Princess Caroline Mathilde of Denmark.
Born in 1912, she was one of the daughters of Prince Harald of Denmark and Princess Helene of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.

They had three children :

- Princess Elisabeth (b. 8 May 1935)
- Prince Ingolf, Count of Rosenberg (b. 17 February 1940)
- Prince Christian, Count of Rosenberg (b. 22 October 1942)

Prince Knud died on 14 June 1976.

If you have others infos or pics about them, you can post it on this thread.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 16, 2006, 09:08:19 AM
A picture of the Young Couple :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/calmaknud.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 16, 2006, 12:43:08 PM
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They had three children :

- Princess Elisabeth (b. 8 May 1935)
- Prince Ingolf, Count of Rosenberg (b. 17 February 1940)
- Prince Christian, Count of Rosenberg (b. 22 October 1942)

Isn't this Princess Elisabeth the only one still considered a member of the royal family, besides Margrethe's immediate family?
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 18, 2006, 09:51:24 AM
Their respective parents, King Christian X and Prince Harald of Denmark being brothers, Knud and Caroline Mathilde were german cousins.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: kmerov on April 20, 2006, 02:15:55 PM
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They had three children :

- Princess Elisabeth (b. 8 May 1935)
- Prince Ingolf, Count of Rosenberg (b. 17 February 1940)
- Prince Christian, Count of Rosenberg (b. 22 October 1942)

Isn't this Princess Elisabeth the only one still considered a member of the royal family, besides Margrethe's immediate family?

Yes, Elisabeth is the only one who is still a member of the RF and a dynast.

Count Ingolf is the highest ranking person in Denmark besides the RF.
He is also the only child of Prince Knud that has an income from the state, because of his former status as future king.  
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on June 07, 2009, 09:43:27 AM
Princess Caroline Mathilde of Denmark " Calma " as a little girl :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Danish%20Royalty/calma.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on June 21, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Cousins, Knud and Caroline Mathilde knew each other since childhood but I would be curious to know how their feelings have changed to one another and if their union or not was  really a love story ?
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on December 19, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Wedding of Prince Knud and Princess caroline Mathilde in 1933 :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Danish%20Royalty/fgrt.jpg)

Portrait of princess Calma :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Danish%20Royalty/gisc.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Christiern on February 23, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
Prins Knud used to babysit for my mother while he was dating my aunt. I mention that briefly on my blog, but there will be more, eventually (including  a 3-page letter written by him to my grandmother, in which he describes my parents' wedding. http://stomp-off.blogspot.com/2010/02/whats-in-your-family-wallet.html (http://stomp-off.blogspot.com/2010/02/whats-in-your-family-wallet.html)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on September 22, 2010, 06:25:04 AM
Prince Knud and Princess Caroline Mathilde of Denmark :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Danish%20Royalty/knudcalma.jpg)

Princess Calma and her children :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Danish%20Royalty/calmawithchild.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on January 08, 2011, 06:47:43 AM
Prince Knud in navy uniform :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/696157knudnavyuniform.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=696157knudnavyuniform.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 01, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/762/72987750.jpg) (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/72987750.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on February 27, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
Knud and Calma, 1933 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/635214yaw375.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=635214yaw375.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on April 30, 2011, 08:42:13 AM
Knud and Calma, 1933 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/635214yaw375.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=635214yaw375.jpg)

Same day :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/400323carolinemathildeknud.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=400323carolinemathildeknud.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on July 02, 2011, 05:00:45 AM
The wedding in 1933 :

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/342566yaw377.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=342566yaw377.jpg)

One of the sisters to Caroline mathilde rests behind the couple in bridesmaid.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2011, 08:22:06 AM
Actually her two sisters: Alexandrine (the prettiest of the sisters), just behind the bride and Fedora, Behind the groom.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: KarlandZita on August 17, 2013, 07:36:59 AM
Princess Calma receiving the German actress-director Leni Riefenstahl in Copenhagen :

(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/660771eniincopenhagen38.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=660771eniincopenhagen38.jpg)
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: carl fraley on March 03, 2014, 02:14:20 AM
I came across a Statement made by Count Ingolf at some point about His father and His Uncle only talking once  after the Constitutional change of 1953 and that things remained estranged till both men died.  Also, that Queen Ingrid and HRH Caroline M.  were estranged b/c of it as well but that they did resolve/make up before their respective deaths.  My question is does anyone know / or have read if Princess Elisabeth was part of the fued?   She seems to be on good terms with HM The Queen?.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: grandduchessella on March 03, 2014, 06:23:58 PM
Parts in quotation from the blog of Trond Norén Isaksen  http://trondni.blogspot.com

" The relationship between the two brothers had apparently never been very close, but it was the new Act of Succession which damaged it beyond repair...according to Count Ingolf, things “went completely wrong” when his younger brother was born in 1942 and the parents chose the name Christian, which would have been the name of the son Frederik “had counted on having”.

Since Queen Ingrid had trouble conceiving and difficult pregnancies, she was advised to have no more children after her 3rd daughter. Knud was thus created 'Heir to the Throne'.

The government had attempted previously to update the constitution (of 1915) but it had a low turnout so it wasn't approved without the needed majority. The WW2 years further postponed the issue but it was brought up again afterwards and this time with a new Act of Succession (perhaps it was felt this would bring attention to the larger issues?) and the debate quickly came to center on the issue of the 'choice' between the respective families. The press was pretty brutal in their comparisons (strapping King, attractive Queen, 3 lovely daughters) and the plainer (some called ugly) family of Knud & Caroline Mathilde. " Knud apparently blamed his sister-in-law Queen Ingrid for the change even though the changes weren't suggested by the King. (Though Ingrid did later write a letter of thanks to the politician who suggested the change). Count Ingolf admits he was disappointed, but adds: “One has of course gotten used to it. Said okay, that is obviously how life is meant to be. Then one just has to go on in a different way”. Count Ingolf points out that it was a much harder blow for his father, who “lived with the awareness throughout a long life”

Prime Minister Erik Eriksen later told the historian Tage Kaarsted that the Prince during the State Council itself had tried to sabotage the signing of the constitution. The two brothers hardly ever spoke again--and then only at official events. “I think my parents only saw King Frederik and Queen Ingrid when they met at official functions”, Count Ingolf says, “except for my 21st birthday, when I was to receive the Order of the Elephant from King Frederik because I had come of age. It happened during a lunch at my parents’ at Sorgenfri [Palace], but then they did of course have a reason!”

According to Ingolf, Knud never got over his bitterness for the few years that he outlived his brother and would've preferred to have spent those years, few that they were, as monarch. Perhaps to highlight the difference of what may have been, he left explicit instructions to have a quiet funeral.  Ingolf decided that a decade plus of bitterness was enough and approached his cousin about a rapprochement (to the initial displeasure of his mother). "Ingolf “did simply not find it right that the older generation’s problems should continue to bother us. We of the next generation were not to have our lives ruined because our parents could not get along [...]”.

Count Ingolf, who lost his royal title when he married a commoner in 1968, annually receives 1.5 million DKK from the civil list as some sort of “compensation” for losing the throne. The siblings are seen at larger family events but the relationship on the whole still doesn't seem particularly warm.
Title: Re: Prince Knud (1900-1976) and his family
Post by: Превед on March 03, 2014, 07:15:22 PM
The government had attempted previously to update the constitution (of 1915) but it had a low turnout so it wasn't approved without the needed majority. The WW2 years further postponed the issue but it was brought up again afterwards and this time with a new Act of Succession (perhaps it was felt this would bring attention to the larger issues?)

The accompanying constitutional reform was the abolition of the upper chamber of the Danish parliament, Landstinget, literally zemsky sobor, which had been the tool / legitimisation for Christian IX's semi-autocratic regime 1866-1901.

In a way one can understand Prince Knud's bitter perspective when one remembers that he was born in 1900, before his cousin Tsesarevich Alexey. What crazy things weren't done to secure the succession for this disabled male child, despite the abundance of healthy male cousins and his very own sisters.