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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Hohenzollern => Topic started by: GD Alexandra on March 21, 2005, 01:12:16 PM

Title: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: GD Alexandra on March 21, 2005, 01:12:16 PM
I would like to know how are the Hohenzollern family realated to the Romanov? I believe maybe is through the German (Hesse) side. But who's the person that conects them? Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2005, 04:54:21 PM
Frederick William of Prussia (married to the famous Queen Louise)--Charlotte (Alexandra Feodorovna) m. Nicholas I of Russia--Alexander II--Alexander III--Nicholas II--OTMAA

Frederick William of Prussia (married to the famous Queen Louise)--Charlotte (Alexandra Feodorovna) m. Nicholas I of Russia--Alexander II--Marie m. Prince Alfred--Ducky m. Kyril--Kyra (m. Louis Ferdinand of Prussia)

Frederick William of Prussia (married to the famous Queen Louise)--Charlotte (Alexandra Feodorovna) m. Nicholas I of Russia--Alexander II--GD Vladimir--Kyril m. Ducky--Kyra (m. Louis Ferdinand of Prussia)

FW & Queen Louse--Wilhelm I of Germany--Frederick III m. Princess Victoria of Great Britain--Kaiser Wilhelm II--Crown Prince Wilhelm--descendants
including Louis Ferdinand

Frederick William III m. Queen Louise--Alexandrine m. Paul of Mecklenberg-Schwerin-- FRIEDRICH FRANZ II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin -- FRIEDRICH FRANZ III m. Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia

Anastasia Mikhailovna—Cecile—Louis Ferdinand m. Kyra
So there would’ve been Russian blood on the throne of Germany if not for the Revolution.

Other less distinct links included GDss Marie Alexandrovna being the aunt by marriage to Kaiser Wilhelm (Alfred & Vicky being siblings) and sister in law to Louise of Prussia (Duchess of Connaught).

As for the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen line that was connected through the marriage of Ferdinand of Romania (his father being a H-S) marrying GDss Marie Alexandrovna's daughter Marie 'Missy'.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: TampaBay on March 21, 2005, 07:53:44 PM
Grand Duchess Ella,

Thank you for your time put into the above research.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Eurohistory on March 22, 2005, 09:05:43 AM
Also Kaiser Wilhelm I married Augusta of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, a granddaughter of Tsar Paul I of Russia (source: The Grand Duchesses, page 32)

Sophie of Prussia was married to Constantine of Greece, a grandson of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich (source The Grand Duchesses)

Friedrich Franz III of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, a grandson  of Alexandrine of Prussia, was married to Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna of Russia - while their youngest daughter, Cecilie, married the Crown Prince of Prussia and this couple's second son, Louis Ferdinand, married Grand Duchess Kira Kirillovna of Russia. (Source: The Grand Duchesses, page 84)

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: GD Alexandra on March 22, 2005, 04:25:45 PM
Oh! thank you so much for all your replies   :D, I'm a begginer on the matter of "Royal families" and I want to learn as much I can. :D  
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: jackie3 on March 22, 2005, 07:14:39 PM
Not to mention the current Pretender's (Kyra's niece Maria) heir, Grand Duke George is by birth a Hohenzollern (his father being a Prussian prince) as well as a Romanov.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: RomanovFan on March 22, 2005, 07:24:52 PM
Well, look at Tsar Peter III (husband of Catherine the Great). From the time of his birth, he could've been the King of Sweden, through his father, Duke of Hosltein (his father also) or Emperor of Russia, through is mother, Anna Petrovna. Thus, he became Tsar of Russia because he was not accepted as King of Sweden, but I'm not sure about Duke of Holstein.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: AGRBear on March 28, 2005, 10:54:51 AM
>Gen. One
Tsarevich Alexei, son of
>Gen. Two
Tsar Nicholas II and Alexandra, dau. of GD Louis IV of Hesse and Pr. Alice of Gr. Britian.  Alex. was the grandau. of Victoria, Queen of Gr. Britian b. 1819 and **Albert, Pr. of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha b. 1819.  Nicholas II was the son of
>Gen. Three
Tsar Alexander III, who was the son of
>Gen. Four
Tsar Alexander II, who was the son of
>Gen. Five
Tsar Nicholas I of Russia  m. *Pr. Charlotte of Prussia [House of Hohenzollern], who took up the name of Alexandra Feodorovna, dau. of
>Gen. Six
King Frederick Wilhelm  III of Prussia [House of Hohenzollern]  m. (1) Louise, dau. of Charles II, Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz.  Fred. Wilh. III was the son of
>Gen. Seven
King  Fred. Wilhelm II of Prussia [House of Hohezollern]  who was the nephew of Frederick II, the Great.
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Wilhlem I's [House of Hohenzollern] sister was *Pr. Charlotte of Pussia [House of Hohenzollern], who became known as Alexandra Feodorovna,  m. Nicholas I of Russia [House of Romanov].
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**Albert, Pr. of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha b. 1819 was the son of Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


AGRBear

PS:
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...[in part]...
The connecting person was Princess Charlotte Luise of Prussia, daughter of King Frederic William III and Queen Luise (*1798 - 1860) who became consort of Tsar Nikolai I and got the Russian name Alexandra Feodorowna.

(http://www.preussen.de/Bilder/Geschichte/friedrich_wilhelm_III./charlotte_zarin_alexander.jpg)
....
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: AGRBear on March 29, 2005, 10:25:06 AM
Does anyone else have any pictures of Tsar Nicholas I of Russia's wife    *Pr. Charlotte of Prussia [House of Hohenzollern], who took up the name of Alexandra Feodorovna?

AGRBear
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Tasha_R on April 01, 2005, 05:59:02 PM
Would anyone have any pictures of Friedrich Franz III of Mecklenburg-Schwerin and GD Anastasia Mikhailovna and Cecilie?

In addition - the princes von Brauschweig, Georg and Ernst... or would it be more appropriate to ask that one in the Mecklenburg-Schwerin thread?

Thank you
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 04, 2005, 02:27:08 PM
They're often referred to as cousins, but was this their closest relationship?

Frederick William III of Prussia - Princess Charlotte of Prussia (Empress Alexandra Feodorovna) - Alexander II of Russia - Alexander III - Nicholas II

Frederick William III of Prussia - Wilhelm I of Germany - Frederick III of Germany - Wilhelm II of Germany

Oooh, and what about this?

Paul I of Russia -  Grand Duchess Maria Paulovna, Grand Duchess of Weimar - Princess Augusta of Weimar - Frederick III of Germany - Wilhelm II of Germany

Paul I of Russia - Nicholas I of Russia - Alexander II of Russia - Alexander III of Russia - Nicholas II of Russia

Were they related in any other ways?
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Chris_H on August 04, 2005, 05:49:31 PM
I think you got them all
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 04, 2005, 06:34:48 PM
Frederick William I of Prussia---Sophia of Prussia---Dorothea of Brandenburg-Schwedt---Sophia of Wurttemburg---Nicholas I---Alexander II---Alexander III---Nicholas II

and

Frederick William I of Prussia---Augustus William of Prussia---Frederick William II of Prussia---Frederick William III of Prussia---William I of Prussia---Frederick III of Prussia---William II
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 04, 2005, 06:40:54 PM
George I of England---George II of England---Frederick, Prince of Wales---George III of England---Edward, Duke of Kent---Queen Victoria---Victoria, Princess Royal of Great Britain---William II

and

George I of England---Sophia Dorothea of Great Britain---Augustus William of Prussia---Frederick William II of Prussia---Frederick William III of Prussia---Charlotte of Prussia---Alexander II of Russia---Alexander III of Russia---Nicholas II of Russia
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Christopher on August 04, 2005, 06:43:34 PM
I think there is also a common Hesse descent, but I don't have it within reach....

Maybe someone else has it....
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 05, 2005, 09:49:50 AM
Thanks for the info you guys. Doesn't look like they were closer than third cousins.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: RomanovFan on August 06, 2005, 01:42:36 AM
And first cousins in-law:

Queen Victoria----Victoria m. Frederick III----Wilhelm II
Queen Victoria----Alice m. Ludwig of Hesse----Alix (AF) m. Nicholas II
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: cimbrio on August 11, 2005, 11:02:37 AM
Royalty often refer to each other as "cousin" even if they're not strictly cousins, not even first cousins. However, Alexandra was Wilhelm II's cousin so it's fairly normal of Nicholas to call address the last Kaiser like that (it was also common in those times to call your brother-in-law "my brother" and so on, for instance). Plus, since Alexandra and Nicholas shared several cousins too, it doens't surprise me they called some relations "uncle" and "aunt" even if they weren't.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 11, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
Quote
Royalty often refer to each other as "cousin" even if they're not strictly cousins, not even first cousins. However, Alexandra was Wilhelm II's cousin so it's fairly normal of Nicholas to call address the last Kaiser like that (it was also common in those times to call your brother-in-law "my brother" and so on, for instance). Plus, since Alexandra and Nicholas shared several cousins too, it doens't surprise me they called some relations "uncle" and "aunt" even if they weren't.


Yes, you're right. Like how Alix of Denmark would have addressed QV as 'Mama' and so on.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: cimbrio on August 11, 2005, 02:30:22 PM
Yes, and I find that not only royalty does that, for I've heard my own relatives do it..and nothing too royal about us :P
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Jebediha on November 23, 2008, 04:23:58 AM
What was the reaction to the killing of the romanovs from Kaiser Vilhelm ?: Did he care or say anyting.


Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 23, 2008, 11:32:12 AM
He, as well as the larger percent of royality throughout Europe, were quite concerned the same fate would befall themselves. William was also quite saddened by the murders. He had sent a special rescue team into the interior of Russia to attempt a rescue of Ella and assist in the rescue of the Romanovs, but of course they were unsuccessful, but came close.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Adagietto on November 23, 2008, 01:50:13 PM
It was a bit late by then to feel sorry about it or to worry about the precedent; it was he and the highest German authorities who had sealed their fate by allowing Lenin through into Russia, with full awareness of his political aims.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 23, 2008, 03:16:45 PM
I agree that while William allowed Lenin to traverse across Germany in the "sealed train" to get to Russia, knowing full well that Lenin was intent on overthrowing the government, it is not fair from a historical perspective to imply that the Kaiser (or anyone else) would have had knowledge that the murderous rampage the Romanovs experienced was the plan. In fact, it wasn't the plan even in Lenin's mind at the point he crossed Germany.

Plus, if we look at current politics and the global notion of free passage, I doubt an American president or any of the leaders of western Europe, for example, would deny an outspoken opponent of the Taliban a safe journey across any of their nations.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: Adagietto on November 23, 2008, 05:14:34 PM
I suspect the Kaiser had little comprehension of the power of political ideas, how they can lead to a revaluation or overturning of all accepted notions, with far more potent effect than the mere passing chaos that he was envisioning for an enemy nation.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Germans did offer (or were willing to offer) refuge to the Romanovs, naturally an offer that would have been almsot possible to accept, even if it had been practicable.
Title: Re: Hohenzollerns & Romanovs--relationship
Post by: HerrKaiser on November 24, 2008, 10:19:14 AM
I suspect the Kaiser had little comprehension of the power of political ideas, how they can lead to a revaluation or overturning of all accepted notions, with far more potent effect than the mere passing chaos that he was envisioning for an enemy nation.


This is true, and neither did any other of the world leaders at the time. The bolsheviks took the world stage by surprise, for all intents and purposes, especially their extreme tactics and infiltrations into the worker-classes. That is largely the reason the shock wave of bolshevik terror was felt worldwide and for example, in the U.S., immediate programs such as the General Intelligence Division, were put in place to act as a sheild against similar intrusions.