In some thread MAndie posted a picture of Alix with Eira.
Didn't find it.
Anyone know where a photo of Eira is???
AGRBear
The next one is unusual because it shows Anastasia with Alexei's dog, Joy:
http://www.cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/aotmastandartbored.jpg
Does anyone know if this is Maria or Anastasia? It could be anyone of OTMA...look at the forehead. It reminds me of Olga's.
It looks a little like Ana but they were young so I don't know.
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Sadly enough, he wasn’t allowed to ride on horseback but he did have his picture taken as if he was!
2. Anastasia King Charles Spaniel was also called Jemmy or Jimmy:http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/imperialpets2.html
Which is the correct spelling for the King Charles Spaniel:
Jemmy
or
Jimmy???
AGRBear
Here’s a photo of Alexis with his Hessian cousins (taken in Friedberg). He’s holding the same dog as on the first photo.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/Atamanets/AetcousinsHesseDarmstadt.jpg).
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Is it the one you search ?
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I didn't post it before, because it seems to look very much at this dog :
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/1913-2.jpg)
And look at Joy, his hind leg is more black, and his muzzle have white :
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/alexisjoy2.jpg)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Angevine/joy2.gif)
But maybe I am wrong because all the time I saw the first pic, it was labelled "Joy and Alexis", tell me, please, if you are more informations :)
Greg and I tried to sort out these doggy logistics in The Fate of the Romanovs, and here's what we concluded:
Jemmy, Joy and Ortino departed Tsarskoye Selo with the family, and lived with them through the days in Tobolsk. After N, A and M left for Ekaterinburg, the three dogs remained with the rest of the children, and traveled to E'burg on board the Rus and by train with them. The family, including the three dogs, were reunited in the Ipatiev House. During captivity there, the dogs were fed on the upper balcony, just outside the dining room and what became Demidova's bedroom. After the murders and during the White investigations, the bones found on this balcony were itemized as remains of the dogs' last dinner in the house.
Various guards also recount stories of the girls, especially Anastasia, teaching the dogs tricks and making them perform in the garden.
After the murders, we know that Joy was taken from the Ipatiev House to Michael Letemin's house, where he was discovered in the garden by the Whites. Jemmy was obviously taken somewhere by someone most likely connected to the Bolsheviks, for the little dog was still available to them when they were looking for physical evidence with which to "salt" the mine, as suggested by Summers and Mangold.
Ortino's fate, we believe, is most likely found in Michael Kudrin's testimony of December 1963, when he recalled that as the bodies were being moved from the basement of the house into the truck, a little dog appeared from upstairs, and rushed into the courtyard, obviously much distressed and upset and probably looking for his people. Kudrin is silent on whether or not the dog was behaving like a guard dog, but it would not have been out of the ordinary for a Frenchie -- a famously protective breed -- to become territorial and vicious in defense of his family, the moreso because their scents were at that time overlayed with the smell of gunsmoke and blood. In any case, a soldier took up his bayonet and stabbed the dog to death, throwing his body into the truck with the Romanovs. "A dog's death to dogs," Kudrin remembered Goloshchokin commenting as they stood watching.
We think that perhaps some of the "mammal bones" found at the Four Brothers were those of Ortino.
What a brave little guy he was... =)
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In that last picture it looks like Alexei is with Joy and Maria's siamese cat!
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Aleksey and kittens.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Daria5381/1002036.jpg)
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Everyone knows the famous portrait by Seroff showing a young Felix with his beloved Gugusse displaying his wonderful " bat ears ". In fact when ones looks at the different photos taken at the time when Felix and Gugusse were posing for this portrait, one clearly sees that Gugusse never had bat ears but rose bud shaped ears, exactly like this young frenchie shown on the 4 photos of the 1910 family visit to Germany.
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Janet R.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Koloagirl/vaska.jpg)
Remembering little "Vaska" :)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)
Joy
THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.Quote
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.... Joy, Alexis' spaniel, hid during the murder and , when the bodies were taken out of the cellar room, he ran out into the streets of Ekaterinburg. Later, Joy was found in the home of an Ipatiex House guard, Michael Letemin. When the guard was arrested by the White Army. Colonel Paul Pavlovich Rodzianko looked after Joy who had by then became totally blind. Joy was taken to Omsk with the British Military Mission. There, Baroness Buxhoeveden went to see Joy and the dog seemed to recognize her, despite he was blind, probably because of a familiar smell. Then Paul Rodzianko brought the dog out of Russia with him to a new home in England ". All this is from an article by Marion Wynn " The Last Resting Place of Joy " which was published in ROYALTY DIGEST of november 2004. Marion Wynn also says that " Ortino died with his mistress on the 17th july 1918 and that Jemmy was found in the mineshaft ". I do not know if there is GENUINE evidence about Ortino beeing killed in the cellar room ? And judging from the photo kindly posted by AGRBear, I find it very difficult to recognize Jemmy and to believe that his body did not decompose after so many months in the mineshaft.
AGRBear
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/aleksey23ul.jpg)
Alexis, Nicholas II and turkeys.
Anyone know where this was taken?
AGRBear
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alex451zv.jpg)
Does anyone know the name of this dog and to whom the dog belongs?
AGRBear
Lili Dehn in "The Real Tsarina" states that Maria owned a Siamese cat - I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else though
This afternoon one of my grandchildren sent me an article about Nicholas II's Irish Setters because she knows I'm interested in the Romanovs, and, too, we have a "hunting" Irish Setter, our second, the first lived to be 17 years old.
Anyone know more about these dogs, please, let me know because I'm interested.
Also, I'm curious to know if Nicholas II had a favorite horse as a child then as an adult which he rode and does anyone know their names?
I know there are threads about Alexandra's, Olga's, Tatiana's, Anastasia and Alexei's pets but none about Nicholas II.
Did he have a favorite dog as a child....?
Love photographs.
Here is the article:
>>The Montebello line of Irish Setters is thought by some to have originated from Florence Nagle Kennel (Sulhampstead) bloodlines. The kennel was owned and operated by a wealthy Norwegian. During the occupation of Norway by the Germans in World War II, this individual was friendly with the Germans, and did some work for them. When the Germans left Norway, some accounts say they took some of the Montebello setters back to Germany with them. Others say that no original Montebello dogs entered Germany, and the pedigree records indicate this is factual. After the war, Russian invaders found these dogs and took them to Russia, where they were crossed with dogs from the kennels of Czar Nikolaus. Nikolaus at one time had 40 to 60 Irish Setters in his kennel. In the late 1960s, two dogs from these crosses were imported to Finland, where they were crossed with other Irish Setters from the original Montebello line, now located in Finland. One of these was the well known Irish setter Viking. The fate of other Russian Irish Setters is not known. Some Russian bloodlines were exported through the Czech Republic. The breeding program in Russia was known to be outstanding, and it is fortunate that some of those dogs were exported. The fate of much of the program is, unfortunately, unknown. Much of the Scandinavian working Irish Setter blood today is a product of Montebello. The bloodline is carefully regarded, and only very selective crossbreeding from outside lines is introduced. Most of what is considered comes from Jack Nash's Moanruad Kennel offspring. Montebello setters have been imported into the United States<<
AGRBear
Does not sound like it, though I read that the family had their own zoo and there were all kind of animals including parrots and guine pigs in the house--though I can not verify the source;
Here is the paragraph from archives (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/anna3.html)
:
"The Emperor and Empress and all the children were passionately fond of pets, especially dogs. The Emperor's inseparable companion for many years was a splendid English collie named Iman, and when in the natural course of time this dog died the Emperor was inconsolable. After that he had a fine kennel of collies but he never made a special pet of any dog. The favorite dog of the Empress was a small, shaggy terrier from Scotland. This dog's name was Eira, and, to tell the truth, I did not like the little animal at all. His disagreeable habit of darting from under chairs and snapping at people's heels was a trial to my nerves. Nevertheless the Empress doted on him, carried him under her arm even to the dinner table, and amused herself greatly talking to and playing with the dour little creature. When he fell ill and had to be mercifully killed she wept in real grief and pity. Alexei's pets were two, a silky little spaniel named Joy and a beautiful big gray cat, the gift of General Voyeikov. It was the only cat in the household and it was a privileged animal, even being allowed to sleep on Alexei's bed. There were two other dogs, Tatiana's French bull and a little King Charlie which I contributed to the menagerie. Both of these dogs went with the family to Siberia, and Jimmie, the King Charles spaniel, was found shot to death in that dreadful deserted house in Ekaterinburg."
When Alexandra first moved to Russia (during Alexander III's illness) she didn't bring Eira, who was brought to Petersburg by Zanotti later.
I have only seen one picture that I am pretty sure is of Alexandra and Eira - I will try and find it. He wasn't a Scottie - more like Toto from the Wizard of Oz.
Eira iis buried on the Children's Island. I have a picture of his grave.
Bob
More information.
The archive link is broken. I do not know where this particular quote sunyluv found can be located at this time.QuoteDoes not sound like it, though I read that the family had their own zoo and there were all kind of animals including parrots and guine pigs in the house--though I can not verify the source;
Here is the paragraph from archives (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/anna3.html)
:
"The Emperor and Empress and all the children were passionately fond of pets, especially dogs. The Emperor's inseparable companion for many years was a splendid English collie named Iman, and when in the natural course of time this dog died the Emperor was inconsolable. After that he had a fine kennel of collies but he never made a special pet of any dog. The favorite dog of the Empress was a small, shaggy terrier from Scotland. This dog's name was Eira, and, to tell the truth, I did not like the little animal at all. His disagreeable habit of darting from under chairs and snapping at people's heels was a trial to my nerves. Nevertheless the Empress doted on him, carried him under her arm even to the dinner table, and amused herself greatly talking to and playing with the dour little creature. When he fell ill and had to be mercifully killed she wept in real grief and pity. Alexei's pets were two, a silky little spaniel named Joy and a beautiful big gray cat, the gift of General Voyeikov. It was the only cat in the household and it was a privileged animal, even being allowed to sleep on Alexei's bed. There were two other dogs, Tatiana's French bull and a little King Charlie which I contributed to the menagerie. Both of these dogs went with the family to Siberia, and Jimmie, the King Charles spaniel, was found shot to death in that dreadful deserted house in Ekaterinburg."
Anyone know about Alexis "big grey cat"?
Apparently, Gen. Voyeikov was unware that there were two other cats, a striped cat called Vaska, which belonged to Olga, and Maria's Siamese.
AGRBear
Portrait of Nicholas II on Horseback (1908) by Alexander Makovsky (1869-1915)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/abg.jpg)
It`s a great portrait of the Tsar with a beautiful horse.
Now, that`s what I call an Imperial pet! :o ;D
Alexei had a small baby elephant which was kept on the grounds of the Imperial park at the Alexandre Palace.
(http://www.geocities.com/vienna/8919/elephant.gif) Alexei's elephant, a gift from the king of Siam.
QuoteHere's a rather famous one of the Dowager Empress, Nicholas II & his daughters. (http://www.btinternet.com/~bevbaker/gwrychcastlepublications/marienickyotma.JPG) Also there was one of Nicholas, Alexandra, the infant Olga & Marie Feodorovna. It's one of the few with Marie Feodorovna & Alix together.
Very nice picture of Minnie with her Granddaughters. It's my favourite, thanks a lot ! Does exist similar photos of the Dowager Empress with Xénia and Sandro's children ?
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Here Alexander III, his wife,children and brother GD Alexey are in front of Maliy Dvorets (Palace) in Livadia.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/MalyLivadiafamilywithGDA.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/MalyLivadiafamilywithGDA.jpg)
Alexander III and his family in Gatchina
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that would be so sweet!
she would have jumped for joy!
sadly i havn't hear of faberge ortinos!
eggs yes... but dogs?
i've only heard of one!
and its this one!
(http://www.bullmarketfrogs.com/articles/russian/Ortino.jpg)
Ortino was a gift from Tatiana's friend Dimitri Malama in 1914. Now, when I read one of the letters that either Alexandra or Tatiana wrote, she mentions that Ortino had died. So Dimitri got her another dog (Ortino II) which is the one in the photographs. Jemmy was a gift to Tatiana from Anna Vyrubova in 1915, but she already had Ortino so she let Anastasia play with her (It's been discussed that Ortino was a she). So Jemmy was kind of the family pet, but Anastasia loved him best.
A little older
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Standing right
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The pony in the second picture is the Shetland that Queen Victoria gave Elisabeth. I forget his name. It was her "best friend," and she would bring it up the steps and try to get it into the house. This according to information at the Staatsarchiv.
I don't recognize the pony in the first photo, but she looks older there, so it's possible it was a bigger one for riding.
By all accounts, Elisabeth inherited her love of horses and riding from her mother, who had -- while she lived in Darmstadt -- a large black horse called Bogdan.
~Penny
At the wedding of Alice of Battenberg
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Young Tatiana and Olga perched on a donkey, Peterhof 1898
One has to ask what makes a photograph rare, that it has not been published in an English language book? With the assistance of Margarita Markova, I am posting below a few OTMA photographs, from Russian language books, that may not have been seen on this forum.
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A group photograph taken in 1897 at Peterhof park, from left to right, Empress Aleksandra Feodorovna, King Christian IX of Denmark, the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, Emperor Nikolas II and Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna.
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David
I am taking liberation and posting something that might not be necessarily on topic for this thread... completely. It's a rare image (to me anyway) but it's of Alexei and not OTMA. It's too bad this wasn't a "Rare Picture" thread.
I was emailed this lovely image of Alexei earlier by Mr. Davies. New to me, and it seems to be in the same time and place as the first picture Mr. Davies sent me.
Enjoy
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Seeing an animal chained up like this makes me sick.
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Same dog???
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GD Marie and a kitten/cat.
Anyone know who's kitten/cat?
Name of kitten/cat?
AGRBear
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I love this picture
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/anna_11/5c19gr.jpg)
I've read that the collar Joy wore was made by Faberge, as well as other collars for various pets. Can anybody tell me if this is true or post a few pictures of a "Faberge Collar" ?
It is true. Bob has seen one of the Faberbe dog collars. I have never seen a photograph of them, as they are in private collections as far as I can tell.
Thanks, Grand Duke.Quoteis this him?
(http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size3/D0140/1001784.jpg)
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(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/870/oaf10014jl.th.jpg) (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf10014jl.jpg) (one of my favorit pictures)
Does anyone have this photo in a larger size?
AGRBear
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Sorry! Not two digs, 3 dogs. Watch in left from tail big dog(collie). There littly sit dog(terier Ehra?)One has to ask what makes a photograph rare, that it has not been published in an English language book? With the assistance of Margarita Markova, I am posting below a few OTMA photographs, from Russian language books, that may not have been seen on this forum.Two dogs.
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5755/01292006075339pm7ig.jpg)
A group photograph taken in 1897 at Peterhof park, from left to right, Empress Aleksandra Feodorovna, King Christian IX of Denmark, the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, Emperor Nikolas II and Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna.
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David
1) A collie.
2) Small white dog which looks like a small Spitz. Or the white dog may be a Scottie???
Rare Photos of OTMA
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i've always liked this photo of alexander
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The interiors of the Palace were lost after 1917 but thanks to contemporaries of Grand Duke and wonderful book “Pershinskaya ohota” (“Pershino’s Riding to hounds”) by D.Valtsov we can learn something about them and see some pictures. All the walls in the palace were covered with the pictures, photos, engravings, prints of the dogs and a lot of hunter’s stuff (antlers, horns, stuffed animals and so on), such as here:
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This is Dining Room in the Palace
And this is a staircase in the entrance hall
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How Cute !! :)
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My friend was kind enough to translate several Maria´s letters from Tobolsk to English. Here´s the first one:
Maria Nikolaevna to Z. S.Tolstoy
"We have a quite life. We take walks twice a day, as usual. Now it's fine weather, though these days it's been very cold. It's still warm at your place? I'm envious that you see beautiful sea.
Today at 8 in the morning we had breakfast.
I'm so happy that they let us go to church. Certainly, it can't be compared to our church but it's much better then sitting at home.
At the moment we all are in the room. My sisters are writing too, and the dogs are running around and jumping at our knees.
I often recall Tsarskoe selo and jolly concerts in army hospitals. Do you remember how funny it was when wounded men danced?
I also recall our walks in Pavlevsk, your small crew, morning walks.
I feel like all this hasn't happened a long time ago, has it?
But now I have to stop writing.
I wish you all the best, to your family and Dalya.
Many kisses.
Greetings from my heart.
Maria
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Andrei (far right) with his brothers Boris (left) and Kyrill, his little Sister Elena (in her mother's arms) and his parents the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess Vladimir.
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Andrei (far left) with is brothers Kyrill (left) & Boris and his sister Elena.
Qгeen Alexandra(England) sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar?How Cute !! :)
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Diss. Imp. Fam. and Eurp. Royal, thread is Windsors
Love the beautiful plaque :)......
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.....and love the pug ;D ;D
She seems to have liked these dogs. :)
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Prince Vladimir Emmanuelovich Golitsyn (1884-1954). ca 1910 He was the adjutant of GD Nikolai "Nikolasha" Nikolayevich. Vladimir, like the Grand Duke, was a breeder of Borzoi. This photo was taken of Vladimir with his dogs at the Borzoi Trials at GD Nikolai's estate Pershino in Tula Province. Vladimir would later marry the Romanov descendant Countess Ekaterina Georgievna Carlow (1891-1940).
QuoteThe only mention of the Borzoi, with any connection to the IF, is to Grand Duke Nikolasha. I remember reading in many dog books about their popularity during the early 1900s and found it odd that they are hardly mentioned.
Queen Alexandra made the breed popular in England, as she was an early owner of the breed in England, one of the first being the Duchess of Newcastle who imported some of the dogs from one of the Tsar's kennels and founded the Borzoi Club in 1892. Alexandra received a leash of them from either Aleander III or Tsar Nicholas II in the late 1890s/early 1900s. QA was devoted to her dogs called Alex, who was the most frequently shown and an undefeated champion, Ajax who also won many prizes as well as one named Vassilka.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/c1_1_bw.jpg)
Queen Victoria also had a Borzoi, perhaps even as early as their first showing in Britain, in the mid-1860s, possibly given to her by Tsar Nicholas I. Edward VII, when Prince of Wales, also had 2 of them--Molodetz and Oudalska.
Since they aren't a breed that's very safe with small dogs, as their instinct is to chase anything which runs, her Borzoi must've put quite the fear into many of her lapdogs. She was also particularly fond of Japanese chins and was frequently photographed holding one (or more) or with some small dogs at her feet.
If you go here
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?theme=ANIMALS&object=40030&row=67&detail=about
you can see a Faberge Borzoi given to QA by EVII c.1908.
From that site:
"The painting Queen Alexandra with her Grandchildren and Dogs by Frederick Morgan and Thomas Blinks, shows the Queen outside the kennels at Sandringham in 1902 surrounded by a variety of dogs including a borzoi and two collies." This is that painting:
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/ws_collie_barsoi_1641w.jpg)
Various members of the Russian Imperial family and nobility kept extensive hunting kennels of the breed and organized large wolf-hunting parties with the dogs. The most famous of these legendary Russian kennels was that owned by the GD Nicholas (who purchased the the famous Perchina Borzoi in 1817) and founded a very renowned kennel at Perchina and the best of the early importations into England belonged to this strain. GD Nicholas Nikolaivitch purchased the famous Perchina Borzoi in 1817. The famous "Bransgore" strain in England came from the original Russian stock.
Further to add to our information on Imperial dogs, I have found an article of a visit to Russia in 1907 researching borzoi with a reference to the Imperial Kennels of Gatchina and GD Nikolai Nikolaivitch's Kennels:
http://www.batw.net/borzois.com/zoi_info/thomas1907.html
Joanna
These are the only photos I can think of with a dog on the Standart. I think it's probably MF's dog, though. It only appears in photos with her...The bred of dog is Japanese Chin
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/th_6-138.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Standart/6-138.jpg)
Alexandra did have a dog -- some kind of terrier named Eira. I'm sure you can find a photo of her (I've seen it, but I don't have it) on this thread, which AGRBear maintains rather faithfully:
Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Link List (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,2541.0.html)
Here are some images:
with Waldemar and George (I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what they're all thinking)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011125611.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011124981.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/m1975011124921.jpg)
with her horse and pets:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/scandinavian/marieorleanspets.jpg)
with her dogs:
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Boris with his wife Zinaida Rachevskya. They married in 1919.
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Like these ones?
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One of my favourite pics of Maria Pavlovna
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I"m sorry, AGRBear! My english!!! Photo - Qгeen Alexandra(England). She is sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar.Qгeen Alexandra(England) sister Maria Fedorovna -Dagmar?How Cute !! :)
Diss. Imp. Fam. and Eurp. Royal, thread is Windsors
engaged
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Vera lived a good part of her life with her childless aunt Olga Nicolaievna, Queen of Wurttemburg. Vera then married a Wurtt. herself.
Vera & Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/romanovs/vera20kon20olg20wurtt.jpg) (from Camera and the Tsars)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Sebastiao/015.jpg) GD Alexandra Iosifovna
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Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna with her oldest daughter Olga, Queen of Greece. (c-1900).
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Countess Brassova (far right) with friends at her's and Michael's country estate. The Little girl is her daughter Natalia ( " Tata" ) by her first marriage.........
Mikhail, MF and Alexander III
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Here are some cute pics of him as a little boy with his family. Please post more if you have them.
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Section: Imperial FamilyXenia as a little girl
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From the same sitting in 1883. Here with her mother
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More "young Dagmar" ;)
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Here's one of the three Glucksburg girls:
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QuoteYou seem to have a good collection of Maria, do you have others from this session ? :)
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RN
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And thier is also this one is a complete other picture but its in the same house and maybe its taken a day earlier or some thing.
The date is 1908.
RN
An other taken the same day :
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Yes she does ;) here she is with Sasha and her son Michael.
RN
Youre welcomme..and thank you for the other picture gdella.
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This one shows Minny with her dog.
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Thanks you for all these VERY, VERY nice photos, Svetabel... Very interesting to see them.
You are welcome. :)
Some more
MF and her son, Emperor Nikolay
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It looks like this photo was taken during the time the famous Felix Yussupov painting with his dog was made. I thought it was an interesting picture...
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No problem Margarita. It was posted some time ago but as always I saved it just in case it was removed. Not sure who posted it, I want to say Annie, but I'm not totally sure. :-\
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I'm not sure if any of you would have seen this portrait before ?
It was painted by Johannes Linse (1875-1930)
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Thank you for the link Bear it was interesting. Nicely written bar a tiny mistake about where they are buried.
Shows the love the family had for animals that we know so well.
.I never realized that the Duke of Cumberland resembled (at least in my eyes) King Christian. Thank you for the correction! How odd that Thyra’s hair went white before Maria and Alix’s.
y'know, you may be correct about the gentleman being their father, king Christian..... now that i think about it, i believe i've heard/read both men mentioned as the fourth player.
but that is Thyra. at least in the later part of her life, she always had much lighter hair than her sisters & it's often difficult to tell, sometimes, in b&w fotos, if hair is blond-ish or white. but, think, her hair did go white before her sisters (but keep in mind that wigs & hairpieces were used to disguise greying hair, at least in Alexandra's case... but i don't think i've ever heard that MF did that. i tend to think she didn't.
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Mariia Feodorovna on horseback
(NOTE: these have all been posted before, by myself & others, but never together.)
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Sharleman's sketches for a statue
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It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family. Were his bones found in the mass grave? If not, were the dog's bones found anywhere? Maybe, at the Four Brother's Mine? I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine. Some were chicken bones....
We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's, corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites.
AGRBear
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Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917
Does anyone know what book this is from? (The seller usually sells reprints from Russian books not commonly available in the US)
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Since this is a thread about pets, I've asked the question over on another thread:AGRBear! Jemmy is not the Springer Spaniel, Jemmy - King Charls Spaniel!It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family. Were his bones found in the mass grave? If not, were the dog's bones found anywhere? Maybe, at the Four Brother's Mine? I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine. Some were chicken bones....
We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's, corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites.
AGRBear(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917
Follow the thread and the answers about Tatiana's dog and what happen to him.
AGRBear
Since this is a thread about pets, I've asked the question over on another thread:It is believed that Tatiana's dog, Ortino, was killed in the early morning hours as were Nicholas II and his family. Were his bones found in the mass grave? If not, were the dog's bones found anywhere? Maybe, at the Four Brother's Mine? I remember there were small animal bones found at the mine. Some were chicken bones....
We know about Jemmy's, the Springer Spaniel's, corpse being found in July of 1919 by the Whites.
AGRBear(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/TatianaAnabullDog.jpg)
Anastasia and Tatiana holding Otino, a French Bulldog
1917
Follow the thread and the answers about Tatiana's dog and what happen to him.
AGRBear
AGRBear! Jemmy is not the Springer Spaniel, Jemmy - King Charls Spaniel!
QuoteA very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger, contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.
We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed. It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side. He was called Jemmy. The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms. He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.
SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"
Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!
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The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.
Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...
Japanese Chin is white and black.
The Pekinese can be all colours.
AGRBear
..[in part]...Section: Nicholas II
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One of my absolute favorites -- I love seeing him with his dogs
Thanks, Grand Duke.Quote
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Sorry, AGRBear, I think name of dog was Voron. :)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.
I was sent this photo.
Is the pup Jemmy?
AGRBear
Thanks Nena.
Here is some additional information about Jemmy.QuoteA very kind reader of the Alexander Palace site, Francesca Belanger, contacted us about the caption of the photo of the "second" Jemmy in the photo showing the dog in Anastasia's lap, the dog she took with her to Siberia. Our identification of that dog as a "Japanese Spaniel" may be incorrect.
We took that description from Sidney Gibbs' own testimony to Sokolov about that dog:"Anastasia had a small dog, I only know that it was a Japanese breed. It was very small with long fur, reddish-brown...His characteristic traits were very large round eyes, his teeth uncovered, a long tongue which hung out of his mouth, I don't know which side. He was called Jemmy. The dogs of this breed were miniscule and were often carried in the arms. He belonged to Anastasia, but everyone loved him, the Empress in particular..... Gibbs identified the corpse found as Jemmy without question. We used this as the basis for our attribution as a "Japanese Spaniel" belonging to Anastasia.
SO, Francesca is a dog fancier, who said that while the first Jemmy, seen in Vyroubova's photos on board the Standardt was definately a Japanese Spaniel, properly called a "Japanese Chin", the second Jemmy, in Siberia, did not resemble the breed, but rather looked like an English Toy Spaniel. We sent her close ups of the dog from that photo, and Francesca responded to us recently:
"I heard back from my friend Michele Blake, who breeds Japanese Chin, and she thinks Jemmy was an English Toy Spaniel, too, based on the picture. I did some research in Hutchinson's Dog Encyclopedia, published in the 30's, and saw photos of ETS's that look a lot like the little dog Anastasia is holding. In addition to Jemmy's solid-color head, there is also the issue of the ear-set. The Chin's ears sit higher on the head, while the ETS's head is very domed and the ears appear to join onto the head at a lower point than they do on a Chin. The English Toy Spaniels of today look different from some of the more delicate type I saw in Hutchinson's"
Nick and Geoffrey are both correct! The English Toy Spaniel is today properly called the "King Charles Spaniel"!Quote
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The color in the photos seem to show an all black dog.
Today the colors shown in the US are Black and Tan, solid rich reddish-brown with white markings...
Japanese Chin is white and black.
The Pekinese can be all colours.
AGRBear
Section: Myth and Legends
Thread: Were there any survivors?....
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Jemmy, a King Charles Spaniel
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The whole family in Gatchina, at their private garden. I tried to find out any picture of Alexander III and Nikolay together and...find out just another wonderful family photo! :)
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yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!
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i adore this one!
I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.
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Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
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yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!
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i adore this one!
The rest of the photo?I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.
Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin.
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AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.
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Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
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The complete photo.
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A King Charles Spaniel
Photo taken in Tobolsk, I believe.
Section: The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos
It was actually taken at Tsarskoe Selo, spring/may of 1917, at Alexander Palace garden. :D
This was taken I believe at the back of the AP in 1917......[in part]...
Olga, Alexej, Anastasia, Tatiana
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The complete photo.
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2341/oaf12252qm.jpg)A King Charles SpanielPhoto taken in Tobolsk, I believe.
Section: The Final Chapter
Thread: Captivity photos
yes i thinkn so as well!
she would have been a stunner!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/th_ana34.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/fencergirl_42/Black%20and%20%20White/ana34.jpg)
i adore this one!
The rest of the photo?I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.
Victory tells us this is Shvibzika Japanese Chin.
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AGRBear ! "Victory tells us this is Shvibzik a Japanese Chin" . No, You tangle (путать). Not Japanese Chin, I letter Shvibzik - померанский шпиц - the is pomerianian dog (toy spitze)! Big white spitze belong Ksenia Alexandrovna and Zinaida Jusupova.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.
I was sent this photo.
Is the pup Jemmy?
AGRBear
A mention of Shot in one of Aleksei's letters on the main APTM site:
Oct. 26, 1914
"...Today we are going to make another fire. At 6 p.m. Mother, sisters and I will go to the Palace's hospital. Shot and Ortino [dogs] are playing. The weather is fine but there is very little snow. I stay out of doors for a long time every day and go for drives in the motor-car. I've begun reading stories by cossack Lugansky..."
However, this must be a second dog named Shot, as according to Olga's letter of 18 October the dog had just died. I don't have my Russian dictionary with me, so correct me if I'm wrong in translating Olga's letter thus:
"...Aleksei's Shot died. We buried him today on the island, and he [Aleksei] now has his [Shot's] brother, also [called] Shot."
(Thanks to Laura Mabee for helping with this!)
Not ORTINO. ORTIPO!
I've been doing some research about that dog's name, too, and I think you're correct. I'll start a new thread about it when I have a little more information. ; )
No, the name is Ortino.
We have our own copy of Alexei's letter to Nicholas and this is the exact translation we got from one of Bob's people in Petersburg at the time:
Oct.26,1914, "...Today we are going to make another fire. At 6 p.m.
pp.22,23. Mother, sisters and I will go to the Palace's hospital.
Shot and Ortino are playing. The weather is
fine but there is very little snow. I stay out of doors
for a long time every day and go for drives in the
motor-car. I've begun reading stories by cossack Lu-
gansky..."
here are from Anastasia to Nicholas:
Oct.28, 1914, "...Ortino and Tatyana are running about the room now.
p.44. Mother is going to receive Maklakov at 9 a.m. and
Malama will come, too, which is very pleasant. I took
this picture of myself looking at the mirror. It was
very hard as my hands were trembling.
...I had 7 classes today and tomorrow I am going to
have 4 or 5... I am having a Russian class now and
Pyotr Alexeyevich is reading Turguenev's "The Hunter's
Notes" to us..."
Jan.30,1915, "...I taught Ortino to sit up and beg and today I've
p.58. taught her to give her paw and now she can do it. She
is so sweet..."
March 7, "...I'm so grateful to you that you allowed us to use
1915,p.61. your bath. We bathed there yesterday. It was such fun!
I was the first to go. There was much water. I was able
to swim around the bath and then jumped down from its
sides. It was terrific! Then Maria and I played in the
water for some time but, unfortunately,I had to get out
soon. Ortino was running about all the time and barking.
After that Olga and Tatyana bathes and also enjoyed
themselves!... Mother has already got in her room the
flowers which you like. You know those blue flowers
which grow in front of Grandmother's windows. They have
just opened. Tomorrow is Sunday. It's so good not to
have lessons when you can lie about in bed longer than
usual... All of us are kissing you including Ortino
who is running about here like a mad dog... She is
such a dear..."
Apr.7,1915, "...We have just finished dinner. Mother is lying and
p.64. sisters are sitting nearby. Tatyana is out, of course,
as usual. Shvybzik and Ortino are lying in Mother's bed
and sleeping. They are such darlings..."
As I recall, there were two Ortinos. The first one was a gift from Dmitri Malama in 1914. He died about a year later in Sept. 1915, and when Malama heard about it, he sent another similar dog to Tatiana in early 1916, which Tatiana also named Ortino.
Telegram, NII to AF
5 September 1915
Many thanks for yours and Marie's letter. Too bad about Ortipo. Just got your telegram...
A note from the editor explains that the family's female bulldog had just died. However, the letter of 17 September 1915 Victory_L. quoted says that "Ortipo" had just given birth, and that the mother and puppies were brought up for Tatiana to see. So unless Malama replaced Tatiana's dog almost instantly with a pregnant female, something is amiss! I'm looking through Sisters of Mercy and so far havent found any reference to the dog dying in September of 1915. According to Greg King there was a reference to Ortino/Ortipo's death in a letter from AF to NII on 5 September, but I've read Alexandra's letter from that date and found nothing.
Other references to Ortino/Ortipo in The Complete Wartime Correspondence:
Letter, AF to NII
28 November 1915
Ortipo is lying on my bed & sleeping fast.
Letter, AF to NII
17 March 1916
My little Malama came for an hour yesterday evening, after dinner at Anias. We had not seen him for 1 1/2 years. Looks flourishing more of a man now, an adorable boy still. I must say, a perfect son in law he wold. have been -- why are foreign Pces. [princes] not as nice! Ortipo had to be shown to his "Father" of course.
It might be Pavillion....
Also, These were taken in same day, by Pierre Gilliard:
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QuotePenny,
Our copy of Kudrin's testimony from 1963 says only:
He bent over the tsar.
"The end of the Romanov Dynasty, right?! Yes...
The Red Guard brought out Anastasia's lap dog on a bayonet. When we passed the door to the upstairs, we heard a long pitous wail in the leaves. It was the last salute to the Emperor of all Russia. The dog's corpse was thrown beside the tsar.
"Dogs die a dog's death," said Goloshchyokin contemptuously."
The difficulty here is one we had to wrestle with-and we may be wrong-but we believe Kudrin is mistaken in identifying the dog thus killed as Jemmy, i.e., Anastasia's dog (not that his ownership is any clearer since Anna Vyrubova says she gave the dog to the girls in general, not to Anastasia). This is from memory, but if I recall correctly Kudrin had previously never been in the Ipatiev House-so first one must ask how he knew this was Anastasia's dog?
More generally, the problem is that if we're talking about Jemmy-and if one assumes for the sake of argument that he was thus killed and thrown into the Ganina Mine where he was later found-it doesn't fit with the known facts. I know nothing of veterinary medicine or forensics, but Summers and Mangold did consult experts for "The File on the Tsar," and they present a pretty strong case that Jemmy, found in the mine in June, 1919, hadn't been there very long, and hadn't been dead very long. While a lot of their other assertions are no longer valid, this is one of their strongest points, indicating I think that the White investigators probably planted Jemmy's body there to be found.
Based on this-and in reading through their analysis it isn't a huge leap of faith-Jemmy would have had, of necessity, to have survived into spring of 1919. Since Joy was found in the possession of Michael Letemin, that leaves only one dog-Ortino-that could possibly have been killed on the night of the murders as Kudrin says. So it seemed reasonable, as someone unfamiliar with the family and their pets, that he simply misidentified the dog killed that night.
This may not be correct, but it accounts for what Summers and Mangold uncovered about Jemmy's condition when retrieved from the shaft-a condition that indicated he had not been dead for long (and perhaps there were suspicions about this, hence the absurd stories that the Bolsheviks built a false floor to conceal the dog, or that Jemmy was frozen in ice-neither of which was true), and also for Kudrin's account of a dog having been killed that night.
As with all things, it is an issue that has to be looked at and examined carefully, especially given the above, and the fact that Kudrin's memoirs contain a number of errors that undermine their veracity. He was certainly there, but I wouldn't take his identification of the dog as particularly definitive given what we know now about Jemmy's condition.
Greg King
I'm new here, but I'd need some help identifying people in this picture. I suppose it was taken at Yalta in 1891, in the silver wedding of tsar Alexander III and Empress Maria Feodorovna.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial.jpg)
I believe I've identified some people at the picture:(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_1.jpg)
1 - GD Alexander Mikhailovich (?)
5 - GD Ksenia Alexandrovna
7 - GD Olga Alexandrovna
8 - GD Alexandra Iosifovna (?)
10 - Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich
11 - Empress Maria Feodorovna
12 - GD Michael Alexandrovich (?)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/nanamoura/familia_imperial_2.jpg)14 - GD Nicholas Nikolaievich (?)
16 - GD Dmitri Konstantinovich (?)
19 - GD George Alexandrovich (?)
20 - GD Konstantin Nikolaievich (?)
21 - Tsar Alexander III
23 - GD Andrew Vladimirovich (?)
24 - GD Vladimir Alexandrovich (?)
Any guess?
In dokuvents bu N.Sokolov: "Труп собаки самки.
Собака была найдена 25 июня 1919 года на дне открытой шахты. Благодаря низкой температуре в шахте труп хорошо сохранился.
Правая передняя лапа сломана. Череп пробит, отчего, по заключению врача, и произошла ее смерть.
Гиббс показал: “У Анастасии Николаевны была очень маленькая собачка с длинной шерстью (very little dog have long hairs). Окрас ее был черно-рыжий(black- red-haired)... Ее отличительные приметы были вот какие: у нее были большие круглые глаза; зубы ее были обнажены и постоянно виднелись, язык у нее был длинный и висел изо рта, не помню, на какую сторону. Кличка ее была Джемми. Такие собачки — очень маленькие, и их часто носят на руках. Принадлежала она Анастасии Николаевне dog belong Anastasia Nikolaevna), любили эту собачку они все, а в особенности Императрица. Я сегодня видел собачку у шахты. Я утверждаю, что эта собачка, которую я видел у шахты, и есть Джемми. Я обратил внимание и на ее шерсть, и на форму глазных впадин, и на зубы. Это безусловно она”.
Тутельберг, Теглева и Эрсберг также опознали ее (Tutelberg. Tegleva and Ersberg know body dog). Why we doubt over 90 year?
Hi,me again! More Pic.of our dear tsarevich:
1914,Crimea,Livadia:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/P1030381-1.jpg)
...[in part]....
More on the findings of Jemmy/Jimmy, the dog.
p. 164 of Summers and Mangold's book THE FILE ON THE TSAR:
"In June 1919, when the dog was found, General Domontovich, the White military governor of Ekaterinburg, was in charge of the mine operation during the temporary absence of General Diterikhs (see plate 40)."
They go on to say that it was possibly under Gen. Domontovich's orders that the dog was planted just before the Whites had to pull out.... They, also, state that the Reds had just as many reasons to plant the dog in the mine. So, what it seems, someone had planted the dog but no one is sure by whom.
"...it would have ben impossible for Jemmy's body to have survived so well in its watery grave for a year." Then goes on to say forensic evidence implied that Jemmy was dead only a few days.
Anyone know more about Gen. Domontovich?
AGRBear
I thought that Olga had a cat as well. I believe his name was Vas'ka...Interesting to hear that Aleksey's cat was the "only cat" in the household.
Voeikov's memories.
The Heir's cat:
Emperor spent all aummer at GHQ, almost without break. Heir was all the time with him. Once, while we were talking about the animals, I said to Aleksei Nicholaievich that I have on my 'farm' same sort of cats, which are intersected sort of marten and 'home' cats, and very remember to Siyam ( cats) ones. They were so beautiful: color like chocolate, with blue eyes, etc.......Heir asked me for one for bring to him.
I went to my farm for days. When I returned, I saw Aleksei Nicholaievich who awaited for me, with question: " But where is a cat?" I didn't brought it, and Heir was very dissatisfied with me, and criticized me because of this.
Next time, I gave him wicker with a cat. He was dithyrambic. To Sisters (OTMA) a letter was sent, and they wanted some too......
Sorry, I transalted from my book to English. Just wanted to say that Count Voyeykov gave to Aleksei a cat. In 1916. I think boy was happy without the end. :D
On the first, you can see Nicholas, Alexandra and Olga baby with Danish relatives, during a stay at the court of King Christian IX :
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/th_boinden.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/OTMA/boinden.jpg)
...[in part]...
A special treat for those members who haven't yet seen Prince Michael of Greece's album. I spent a couple hours scanning the photos that I thought were not so well-known as well as a few that are (since I think I got some pretty large scans of them). On a few of the "rarer" photos, I focused in on the Grand Duchesses' faces for a different look at the photo. I've also done this on a few of the better known photos. I've marked those with an asterisk (*) and if any of you would like to see a closeup of any of them, just PM me and let me know which you'd like to see.(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Michael%20of%20Greece%20Album/withdog.jpg)
...[in part]...
Voeikov's memories.
The Heir's cat:
Emperor spent all aummer at GHQ, almost without break. Heir was all the time with him. Once, while we were talking about the animals, I said to Aleksei Nicholaievich that I have on my 'farm' same sort of cats, which are intersected sort of marten and 'home' cats, and very remember to Siyam ( cats) ones. They were so beautiful: color like chocolate, with blue eyes, etc.......Heir asked me for one for bring to him.
I went to my farm for days. When I returned, I saw Aleksei Nicholaievich who awaited for me, with question: " But where is a cat?" I didn't brought it, and Heir was very dissatisfied with me, and criticized me because of this.
Next time, I gave him wicker with a cat. He was dithyrambic. To Sisters (OTMA) a letter was sent, and they wanted some too......
Sorry, I transalted from my book to English. Just wanted to say that Count Voyeykov gave to Aleksei a cat. In 1916. I think boy was happy without the end. :D
...[in part]....(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/62c5_1.jpg)
And this one is very intereseting, but I am looking for bigger:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_62c5_1.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/62c5_1.jpg)
Finally:(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/th_auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Big%20Pair/auntyolgatatyaolish.jpg)
Hi, Amanda_Misha, here is one of GD Michael:(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/mihailpas.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_mihailpas.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/mihailpas.jpg)
Look around, I am sure you'll find more! :)
Alexander III:modern English Mastiff (http://www.puppyparadise.com/Breeds/mastiff.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_AIIIa.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)
Alexander III:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_AIIIa.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/AIIIa.jpg)
IF at Tobolsk, winter 1917/8, I don't know if Joy is near woods:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/gradnjenjeledenogbregatlx1.jpg)
Sorry if this have been posted.
You're very welcome! I found it somewhere here, or from friend, I am not sure.Nena! This dog is Joy.
Tsar Nicholas II, Tsarevich Aleksei, Grand Duchesses OTMA, dog (?) and Count Voeikov, at General Headquartres, Mogilev,1916:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_nickyotmadog.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view¤t=nickyotmadog.jpg)
Good link, nena -- two photos of Olga were new to me:
Olga and her regiment
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/th_11.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/?action=view¤t=11.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/th_23.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Regimentals/?action=view¤t=23.jpg)
There are many of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, Big Pair riding horse for regiments in 1913. Sarushka has some.
Since we don't have picture of Anastasia Nicholaievna with her regiment, only OTM.
I think we may see more than one dog. I've found two. Possibly a third but the shadows makes it impossible to tell.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/AGRBear/dogs2GARDEN.jpg)
AGRBear
The third dog, most probably a cocker spaniel, is facing the black dog in the front (this black dog looks more like a small pig).
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/AIII/abastuman1896.jpg)
Could this dog, photographed at Stavka with Joy, be Aleksei's Shot?
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2354/joyanddogyu2.th.png) (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joyanddogyu2.png)
NII - 1914, horses:)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/vlast_41_069ert.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/i-667.jpg)
Going back to the pic of joy and "shot", is that the whole pic or was it just a close up of the dogs. If there's a whole pic can you please post it? Thanks. :)
NII - 1914, horses:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/vlast_41_069ert.jpg)
From history of zoo in St. Petersburg:
"...As to history of the maintenance of elephants in Tsarskoe Selo, that the first of them, according to S.N.Vilchkovskogo (1911), " apparently, soon were lost ". In 1828 architect A.Menelasom for the maintenance of elephants had been constructed the special pavilion which has received the name "Elephants". It has been built in Aleksandrovsk park. This pavilion was wooden, in the "Indian" style, with intricate turrets, extensions and the xxtensive "court yard" enclosed by a metal fencing.
In 1832 there were in a menagerie one elephant with two attendants. Another elephant has been presented to tsar by emir Bukhara and delivered to Tsarskoe Selo in 1849. Later, in 1860, these elephants have transferred to Petersburg. With 1870 -1872 in Tsarskoe Selo one more elephant was presented by emir and had transferred to Petersburg Zoo. According to S.N.Vilchkovskogo (1911), elephants lived in Tsarskoe Selo in the beginning of the twentieth century. Last elephant in Tsarskoe Selo has been shot in 1917 by revolutionary sailors..."
http://www.lenzoo.ru/russian/history/ind13.html
In reading the early years of Nicholas II's diaries, I have come across entries such as Tuesday, March 21, 1895: "...went for walk with Alix and visited elephant..." but no name as yet. During the years 1913-1916, Alexei often visited the elephants and I may find a name in N's diaries.
Joanna
Hello JStorey
Further entries from Nicholas' diaries:
"Monday 9 June 1914 ...After changing clothes, I went for walk. Day radiant. I led with Alexei elephant to our pond and watched its bathing ..."
"Tuesday 10 June 1914 ...There was again bathing of elephant, this time Alix and all children were present ..."
Joanna
Cecilie and Wilhelm II living in Exile
(http://i42.tinypic.com/6sf6vt.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/Royalities_at_Lyngby2C_near_Copenha.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_denmark1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1.jpg)
detail:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_denmark1a.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1a.jpg)
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Denmark
Maria Feodora Thread
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/denmark1a.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_marfed2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed2.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed3.jpg)
detail:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/th_marfed3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/01-f/marfed3.jpg)
click on images for larger versions
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_1010541L.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/1010541L.jpg)
Love your ones.
With family:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_Aleks3121.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view¤t=Aleks3121.jpg)
Oh yes, he was very handsome from the beggining....
On horse
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs/rom-m.jpg)
Michel and Natalie:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/hghggzh61.jpg)
Michel:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/romanov91.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Michel%20A/fdfddqn31.jpg)
Miechen with her children:
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/245/vladimirovici.jpg)
Wladimir and Miechen:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/miechen/MiechenandVladimir1.jpg)
Wladimir Miechen and family:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/miechen/2074540722_2706679bcd_o1.jpg)
... in part...
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/Matilde/andreimat2wm.jpg)
Grand Duke Andrei and Mathilde
Paul:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Paley/1212652996_portret-velikogo-knjazja.jpg)
Audrey and Dimitri riding horses :Thread: Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch, his wife Audrey Emery, and descendants
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Others%20Romanov/dimiaudrey-1.jpg)
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Didn't find it.
Anyone know where a photo of Eira is???
AGRBear
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/roenasd023.jpg)
here you go! :)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/hpqscan0002-3.jpg)
Nicholas I
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/16687/2281809510101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2281809510101857556ZMWcae)
Nicholas I
...[in part]....
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8931/nick6.jpg)
Alexander II
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5719/436566274tuqobtfs.jpg)
Alexander II
(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/44458/2018245830101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2018245830101857556AJWikC)
Alexander III
(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/41575/2518195660101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2518195660101857556ncdzxj)
...[in part]...
Nicholas I [by Alexander Schwabe]
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7757/byalexanderschwabeb.jpg)
hi,
i'm doing research on the people who raised borzoi in russia before the revolution. i'm looking for journals or first account type of information. i understand most of the borzoi dogs were raised on country estates owned by counts or other russian nobilty and that the dogs were used for hunting. i would be happy to learn of any kind of source and if there are some from a kid's perspective that would work, too.
thanks in advance.
cheers,
annemarie
here is a start
History
A borzoi pack assisting in a Russian wolf hunt, as shown on Охота на волка 1873It was long thought that Saluki type sighthounds were originally brought to Russia from Byzantium in the South about the 9th and 10th centuries and again later by the Mongol invaders from the East. However, now that the archeological archives and research results of the former USSR are open to scientists, it has become quite clear that the primal sighthound type evolved between the Kyrgyzstan, the lower Kazakhstan part of Altai and the Afghan plains, and that the earliest actual sighthound breeds were the plains Afghan hounds and the Kyrgyz Taigan.[citation needed]
These ancient breeds then migrated South (founding the Tazi/Saluki branch) and West (founding the Stepnaya, Krimskaya and Hortaya branches) to develop into breeds adapted to those regions. This was a slow process which happened naturally through normal spreading of trade, with the silk and spice trade via the Silk Road being the prime vector.[citation needed]
The more modern Psovaya Borzaya was founded on Stepnaya, Hortaya and the Ukrainian-Polish version of the old Hort. There were also imports of Western sighthound breeds to add to the height and weight. It was crossed as well with the Russian Laika specifically and singularly to add resistance against Northern cold and a longer and thicker coat than the Southern sighthounds were equipped with.[citation needed]
All of these foundation types - Tazi, Hortaya, Stepnaya, Krimskaya and Hort - already possessed the instincts and agility necessary for hunting and bringing down wolves.
The Psovoi was popular with the Tsars before the 1917 revolution. For centuries, Psovoi could not be purchased but only given as gifts from the Tsar. The most famous breeder was Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich of Russia, who bred countless Psovoi at Perchino, his private estate.[3]
The Russian concept of hunting trials was instituted during the era of the Tsars. As well as providing exciting sport, the tests were used for selecting borzoi breeding stock; only the quickest and most intelligent hunting dogs went on to produce progeny. For the aristocracy these trials were a well-organized ceremony, sometimes going on for days, with the borzoi accompanied by mounted hunters and Foxhounds on the Russian steppe. Hares and other small game were by far the most numerous kills, but the hunters especially loved to test their dogs on wolf. If a wolf was sighted, the hunter would release a team of two or three borzoi. The dogs would pursue the wolf, attack its neck from both sides, and hold it until the hunter arrived. The classic kill was by the human hunter with a knife. Wolf trials are still a regular part of the hunting diploma for all Russian sightdog breeds of the relevant type, either singly or in pairs or trios, in their native country.
Borzoi circa 1915In the 1917 Revolution, large numbers of native Psovoi were destroyed by the revolutionaries.[citation needed] The Tsars had turned them into a symbol of affluence and tyranny, and they were not welcomed into the new world of the Soviet Union. Some noblemen took it upon themselves to shoot their own dogs rather than allow them to fall into the hands of militants.[citation needed] However, the Psovoi survived along with the other borzaya variants in the Russian countryside.
In the late 1940s a Soviet soldier named Constantin Esmont made detailed records of the various types of borzoi dogs he found in the Cossack villages. Esmont's amazing pictures were recently published and can be viewed by clicking on the link below.
Esmont was concerned that the distinct types of borzaya were in danger of degenerating without a controlled system of breeding. He convinced the Soviet government that borzoi were a valuable asset to the hunters who supported the fur industry and henceforth, their breeding was officially regulated. To this day short-haired Hortaya Borzaya are highly valued hunting dogs on the steppes, while the long-haired Psovaya Borzaya, still carrying some of the stigma of its association with the old White Russia, has become more common as a decorative companion.
Exports of Borzoi to other countries were extremely rare during the Soviet era. However enough had been taken to England, Scandinavia, Western Europe and America in the late 19th century for the breed to establish itself outside its native country.
[edit] Art
In 2004, the UK Kennel Club held its 4th temporary exhibition entitled 'The Borzoi in Art'. The exhibition offered a unique insight into the Borzoi and how the breed has been depicted in art throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries. The exhibition included paintings, bronzes and porcelain which had previously never before been available for the public viewing. The exhibition ran from September 27 to December 3. The Borzoi may frequenlty be found in art deco period works.
[edit] Famous Borzoi
The Borzoi is the symbol of Alfred A. Knopf publishing house.
Tasha, a female Borzoi belonging to the noted vet Buster Lloyd-Jones (founder of Denes natural pet foods), was born in the UK during the Second World War and is the pedigree ancestor of most British Borzoi bloodlines.[4]
Ben was the white male borzoi, beloved of E.J. Smith, Captain of the Titanic. There exists a photo of the Captain and his dog outside his cabin on the ship. The Dog was not however on the maiden voyage.
Kolchak Has been the mascot of the 27th Infantry Regiment since the Regiment participated in the Siberia Campaign. The 27th Infantry has been nicknamed 'The Wolfhounds' in recognition of their endurance during battles in Siberia.
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(http://southwc.ru/1/8/thumbs/k_186488504-opt_nemos19_2.jpg) (http://southwc.ru/k_186488504-opt_nemos19_2.jpg.htm)
some more pictures of Nicholas...
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/33621/2068622310102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068622310102753164BxDEWd)
1890s Nicholas II & cousins
Love your ones.
With family:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/th_Aleks3121.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksandar_III/?action=view¤t=Aleks3121.jpg)
That last one is wonderful!
The other portrait of Kaiser's Family
(http://static.akpool.de/images/cards/16/166977.jpg)
Wilhelm playing with a dog
(http://i47.tinypic.com/qyy7v9.jpg)
Pardon me, here's a topic about Romanov's pets.
When I was looking around for photographs of Nicholas II's pets, I noticed there were many links to other royal pets but they are scattered Since this Bear likes lists, I'm starting up a thread which provides the links to the various threads on this forum.
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AGRBear
When I was looking around for photographs of Nicholas II's pets, I noticed there were many links to other royal pets but they are scattered Since this Bear likes lists, I'm starting up a thread which provides the links to the various threads on this forum.
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AGRBear
Nicholas II's cousin was Kaiser Wilhelm II.
If you look back through all these pages, I've even added a few photos of Princes, Counts and others ... who's animals were more than likely from the same breeding stock as were in the Romanov families.
AGRBear
You re right. I was thinking in Olga!!
This is one of the prettieest portraits of Marie i ve ever seen. It looks kind of modern and i know...this has been posted a thousand of times on Marie`s boards but here it wont get lost
(http://i45.tinypic.com/1zcft3p.jpg)
Eddie_uk - I don't know if you were posting that as an agreement or tongue in cheek, but the out of context postings from the letters doesn't do the subject justice.
It would be nice to know what else she said in that same letter as it seems to have been sent to Nicholas at Stavka while Alexei was with him.
But again, we wouldn't be reading these letters at all if not for the untimely death of their authors.
Thanks but there was nothing tongue in cheek about it, MY opinion is that while "his little master" was away it was a very sweet & kind that Alexandra "sent for Joy" and had him lie at her feet.
Besides it does do the subject justice as that's all Griffh posted & it was under the caregory of "pets".
Before addressing the important subject Alixz has brought up which is the pros and cons of a thematic approach to the correspondence, I just wanted to say Eddy uk that one of my favorite themes is THEIR PETS which I didn't even think about until the later half of 1915. Going back and reviewing my earlier themes I have included THEIR PETS in the first half of 1915 and I have grown to love that little Ortipo.
She is such an adorable little rascal who is interrupting the Empress as she is conscientiously reading a report from one of her various war relief enterprises.
No. 181/ Her No. 278. [Fuhrmann] No. 47. [Duckworth/Nicky-Sunny] Tsarskoe Selo. March 1, 1915.
Ortipo has been rushing all over my bed like mad & crushed Vilichkovsky's reports [important and long War Relief reports] I was reading. –
Then there is this dear picture of Ortipo missing her Master:
No.220/ Her No. 288. [Fuhrmann] No.56. [Duckworth/Nichy-Sunny] Tsarskoe Selo. April 4, 1915.
It is so hard every time - it wrenches at one's heart and leaves such ache and endless longing [when Nicky leaves] - Ortipo too feels sad, and jumps up at every sound and watches for you.
Apparently Alix was so attached to Ortipo that she took her on an Inspection Tour in May 1915:
No. 303/ Her No. 309. [Fuhrmann] No. 77. [Duckworth/Nicky-Sunny] Vitsbek. May 8, 1915.
Ortipo climb onto my lap, have sent her off several times without success - so yet more difficult writing on the top of her back in a shaking train.
I just love the fact that Alix gave up trying to keep Ortipo off her lap whilst writing to Nicky and simply starting writing on top of her. Somehow or other that seems to be the kind of "mother's logic" that my sisters and I were raised with.
The importance of the thematic approach is that you can access Alix' opinions on a single subject or access her devotion to something such as the family pets which increases one's sense of her humanity. Also by grouping the same ideas into themes you can better understand the Empress' specific concerns. Because Alix writing style could be described as "flow of consciousness" she will often start and stop a topic several times which makes it sometimes very difficult to get at her meaning when reading entire letters.
On the other hand, a thematic approach, taking the ideas out of the context of the entire letter, has its limitations as well. As Alixz and Helen have pointed out, this approach robs one of the flow of the letter and often it's tone and overall context. Excerpts can thereby be manipulated to take on a meaning that they don't really have. Or just as importantly, a thematic exploration of the letters often robs one of other issues such as the Empress' state of health. This means that while exploring the them HER AUDIENCES AND RECEPTIONS while learning about the number of people she saw, we have no idea of her health issues or what it took to see these people; we lose the context of her struggle to do her duty.
Because of the limitations of the thematic exploration of the letters I have been making a series of new double files from April 1914 forward. Making dual files, one containing the entire letter and one containing themes is allowing me to double check the themes with the entire context in the other. I have done this to reinforce a safety gage for the way I use the excerpts in my article.
I have learned so much and I am grateful if the information I am sharing will continue to soften our understanding of the Empress. I am also so grateful for the all the ideas that have been shared, which I take to heart and try to learn and grow from.
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Tatiana and her dog Ortino, a French Bulldog
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)
Joy
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Here is a portrait of the granite memorial over the grave of Kamchatka at Gatchina. Kamchatka was Alexander III's favorite dog who was killed in the railway accident near Borki.
(http://history-gatchina.ru/parks/park/imgpark/kamchatka.jpg)
Pulled it out of the photo and made Alex III's dog, Kamchatka, larger.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AlexIIIsShephard.jpg)
What does "Kamchatka" mean when translated into English?
AGRBear
What does "Kamchatka" mean when translated into English?To my Geographical knowledge, 'Kamchatka' is the name of Russian peninsula on the far East. It got no specific meaning. I am sorry if this had been already answered to you, AGRBear.
thanks Nena.
B&Ws
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Lynn
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1896 Michael
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/19974/2646980030102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2646980030102753164saolTz)
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1898 playing on the lake
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/40910/2068410010102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068410010102753164tBPZSr)
Natalia Brassova and GD Dimitri Pavlovich, England ca.1920.
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3752/natdimitr.jpg)
Photos of Mikhail's childhood and youth in Gatchina.
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8179/mabalkon1896.jpg)
Misha in Gatchina.
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8241/1234bq.jpg)
Dimitri Pavlovich in British uniform (I must say he looked much much better in Russian:-))
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3845/dmitriunatalii.jpg)
It's a quite clear to me that this picture was taken in the same day and place as this one, which I posted on APF long time ago (and saw here repeated, of course).
http://yfrog.com/mwnatdimitrj (Dmitri with Natasha Brasova , England 1919).
Even the dog is the same.;-)
maybe anyone hasn't seen...
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/th_eiv05.jpg) (http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n192/Taksa/?action=view¤t=eiv05.jpg)
Caption says:
Heir Tsarevich Alexei Nicholaievich and Grand Duke Dmitrii Pavlovich (November of 1915)
Again -- amazing find. No, they were reviewing troops at Stvaka during WW1 only. ;-)
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(Back) Rostislav, Irina, Nikita, Vassili, Dmitri, Andrei
(Front) Feodor & Xenia ... Frogmore, 1936:
(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/xeniawithherchildren.jpg)
Princess Marina Sergeevna
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/590883d3.jpg)
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This was rare on another thread, you may have seen it, but I think it's appropriate for this.
(http://nd01.jxs.cz/205/939/1c35754c0d_46031873_u.jpg)
Great friendship!
Yes, it was not easy but I've finally found the letter. :-) I've found it in the German book "Alexej, der Sohn des letzten Zaren" (Alexei, the son of the last Tsar) by Elisabeth Heresch.
Alexandra sent the letter to Alexei on October 31, 1914. As I only have the letter in German, here's my translation (only the part in which Alexandra mentions Joy):
"...What about your dog? He follows (your command) better when you call him "Joy". That means "joy" (the original word here was in Russian) in English."
Here is my copy in German:
"...Und dein Hund? Er folgt besser, wenn du ihn "Joy" rufst, das heißt auf Englisch "Freude"."
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/alekseyjoy.jpg)
Alexis and Joy
From Tukker-ragazzo's collection. 10
Hi,me again! More Pic.of our dear tsarevich:
1914,Crimea,Livadia:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/P1030381-1.jpg)
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I am taking liberation and posting something that might not be necessarily on topic for this thread... completely. It's a rare image (to me anyway) but it's of Alexei and not OTMA. It's too bad this wasn't a "Rare Picture" thread.
I was emailed this lovely image of Alexei earlier by Mr. Davies. New to me, and it seems to be in the same time and place as the first picture Mr. Davies sent me.
Enjoy
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)
Alexis and Joy:
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/Alexei-7/1915ts.jpg)
The photo was found in Tukker-ragacco's collection on Alexis
AGRBear
I think he looks the youngest in this photo with JoyYes, he indeed does. It was taken in late 1900's/ early 1910's. But the dog is not Joy. (Do notice that Joy had white, not black - haired legs)
Same one, I think.
(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/876/agfascanwise16uc.th.jpg) (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agfascanwise16uc.jpg)
I think he looks the youngest in this photo with Joy
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejskrozsdesnasaDzojemisaprijateljimanaslami.jpg)
I LOVE cats, so these pictures are like crack to me:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alexeikittenshrub.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/rubberduck-6/A.jpg)Obviously, our beloved tsarevich, liked pets,too, this picture probably has been taken on board of the "Standart", by his sister, I don't know.
Another picture of Alexei and his kittens:(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/rubberduck-6/f53ac4e3.jpg)
Yep, we have six little furballs as well.
Here's another:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alexeiwithkittens.jpg)
Hi!
Yes, indeed: OTMAA liked pets!
Here are other photos, probably from the same day, of them with the kittens. So cute! And by the way, tose pictures can be found in Yale's album, if anybody's interested.
Here are Masha and Tatiana:
(http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/tm1908_1.jpg)
All the children together. Maria, Nastya, Alexei, Tatiana, Olga:
(http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/otmaakitties.jpg)
Small Nastya with a kitten in the sun:
http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/8.jpg (http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/8.jpg)
All the pictures were took ont the Standart, and I think it was during summer 1908, so the kids would have been about 4, 7, 9, 11 and 12. ( In case anybody don't know)
I'm sorry if the photos are too large, but I just couldn't resist too post them. ;)
Thank you, AGRBear, but I still doubt if the dog in the photo was Joy.
However, here is little bigger version of Alexei's photo taken at Livaida in 1912:
What about this one:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s301/nemanja_dj/62c5_1.jpg)
Taken at captivity?????? ??? Tobolsk/Tsarskoe, or Stavka?
Can anyone help me? Please?
Michael and his friend and secretary Nicholas Johnson at Knebworth House/England, Summer 1914. (on the right - Natasha's beloved dog - Jack).
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4628/236738017.jpg)
I don't think it was taken in captivity...because the soldier is too friendly, well dressed and has no rifle. But here's a better copy of the photoCorrect -- the soldier is actually Count V.N. Voeikov; according to Vyrubova's label, it was taken at Mogilev during the war. However, on one Russian exhibition, the last one was labeled to have been taken by Gillirad in 1917, which is contradiction.
and an another that might have been taken the same day . That one was in 1915 I believe
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_scanjoy.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/scanjoy.jpg)(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/th_Joy7.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Alexis/Joy7.jpg)
some more pictures of Nicholas...
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(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/33621/2068622310102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2068622310102753164BxDEWd)
1890s Nicholas II & cousins
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I hope these are not repeats..
Thank you, AGRBear, but I still doubt if the dog in the photo was Joy.
However, here is little bigger version of Alexei's photo taken at Livaida in 1912:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejLivadijaKrim.jpg)
I went through my collection and this is the only one I could find
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In Denmark:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/v0yag3r/Aiii/5775.jpg)
I am not sure if this one was discussed somewhere already, but does anyone know the name of this Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223152931067311&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Thanks!
Aleksander III, MF, Ksenia and doggies
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4307/ne-nai.69/0_33e9b_e39ff643_-1-L.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/InfirmaryCat.jpg)I am not sure if this one was discussed somewhere already, but does anyone know the name of this Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223152931067311&set=a.124297104286228.15365.113360175379921&type=1&theater
Thanks!
I see on the FB page there is a question if this cat was Olga's cat, Vaska. I don't think so because the photo we have of Vaska shows two while front legs. This cat has ( unusually,) a white from leg and a tabby front leg . While the Tsarskoe Selo infirmary cat may not be Vaska., I feel it was a relative since both were grey tabbies with white markings...same as the kittens in the photos with the children on board the yacht.
While these cats may have been pets, I'm sure they were <i>working</i> animals as well. Both places, indeed, the palace itself , would need their special expertize lol!
Does anyone know where I can find a good clear picture of 'Jemmy' the king charles spaniel? so far looking through the thread there is only the one of her on Grand Duchess Anastasia's lapsitting in front of the shed in the vegetable garden at the Alexander Palace and its not very clear. Is this the only one? Also are there any photos of 'Joy' in his retirement in England?
many thanks
Thea
Other than document the state of his body with photos and an examination, I think they likely gave him a suitable pet burial.
Thanks for that, I have read some things that suggest Jemmy may have survived being killed with the IF and was perhaps killed by the 'White' Investigators as late as 1919 based on the remarkable state of preservation that Jemmy's body was in.
Other than document the state of his body with photos and an examination, I think they likely gave him a suitable pet burial.
I think the same. Gibbes, Gilliard and Kobylinskij recognized her even after months due to the color of her hairs (black and tan) and her size - she was said to be the tiniest King Charles ever, LOL
(I wrote "her" because it seems to me it was a female, also Gibbes said "she")
I made the same guess regarding Jemmy's gender as Sunny did, based on Wilton. I know it's been discussed somewhere on the forum but so far I haven't been able to find the old thread. Anastasia mentions Jemmy in a letter of 24 April/7 May 1918, but doesn't use he/she. Alexandra also mentions Jemmy in a letter of 8/21 December 1917, but whether she called the dog he/she depends on which source you consult. English sources (Vyrubova and Lifelong Passion) use "he" while the Russian text in Pisma Tsarskoi Semi iz Zatocheniia uses "she." Is it known whether Alexandra wrote to Vyrubova in Russian or English?
I've mostly seen the name "Jemmy " used. I think people believe that Jemmy is a typo
and so use "Jimmy" instead. It's funny Jemmy has come up because
I recently saw her in a couple of captivity photos, where I had not noticed her before .
I use to think Jemmy was a Pekingese, she was so small...but I have recently seen
photos of King Charles spaniels from the family's time and she looked just like them.
....Moreover, black&tan is a color which it seems it doesn't exist for Pekingese or Japanese Chin; neither cavalier King could be black&tan, just King CharlesAmazing. I didn't know that
I always thought they were just a bit smaller than Springer Spaniels like Joy.That's what I always thought too, and so couldn't believe she was any kind of spaniel. But it really pays to look at photos of a dog breed taken in the time one is concerned with ... significant breed change can happen in 100 years. And as Sunny has pointed out, Jemmy was small for even her time!
^ Odd, in other soures say Joy attack and killed a poisonous snake, not the other way around.
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.
For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.
Alexandra: "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."
Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."
Nicholas II does mention the snake incident also.
For those who speak the Russian language, here are the relevant sentences from Nicholas' and Alexandra's diaries.
Alexandra: "Джой укушен ядовитой змеей."
Nicholas: "Джоя укусила змея."
Sarushka, it was entered for August 9, 1917.
Katierina
(http://www.zakharov.ru/components/com_books/images/books/aleksandr_ii99/foto-yurevskaya-2.jpg)
I went through my collection and this is the only one I could find
(http://nd03.jxs.cz/945/846/569bf87b56_57866640_u.jpg)
Aleksander III, MF, Ksenia and doggies
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4307/ne-nai.69/0_33e9b_e39ff643_-1-L.jpg)
Ella, Nicholas and a Yorkie...who looks very interesting in what the Tsar of all the Russia's is eating
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/th_ellayorkieN.jpg) (http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy202/blessOTMA/Romanov%20postings/ellayorkieN.jpg)
Allegedly taken at Tsraskoe Selo in 1917, by Monsieur Gilliard:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/th_74dac937.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Zarobljenistvo/?action=view¤t=74dac937.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/Joy.jpg)
Joy
THE FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 364 tell us that Joy was found with Michael Letemin when he was arrested.
Aleksei's dog, named Shot:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/sarahelizabethii/media/Romanov/Shot_zps1582fc9b.jpg.html)
Evpatoria, May 1916
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6633fb7aa1a1600af74df380a66f9268/tumblr_njoidq79PP1s8tajho2_1280.jpg)
ГА РФ, ф. 683 оп. 1 д. 125 л. 8 фото 110
Here is a photo of the Horse Cemetery of October 22, 2000:
http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2000/157/32.htm
Joanna
Whichever dog it was in all these pictures, Sergei was certainly very devoted to it.
He can't have been such a bad chap!
Ann
On 13th December 1894, right after returning to Moscow after the death of Alexander III and marriage of Nicky and Alix, GD Sergei writes in his diary “Unfortunately Shpunia is feeling very bad – he’s very weak.” On 30th December he writes in his diary again “everybody went to skate, I went for a walk with the dogs. Shpunia is feeling very bad, he’ll have a surgery!!!”. For now I do not know what happened to Spunia afterwards.
I'm with you Ally and I'd like to know what breed of dog this is. Lovely photos too I might add particularly the one of AN which is a little clearer. 1915 or '16 I'm assuming?
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/AGRBear3/AnastasiaJemmyWb.jpg)
I was sent this photo.
Is the pup Jemmy?
AGRBear
The pup not Jimmi. The pup similar "Померанский шпиц" to. I think the pup is Швыбзик (Shwibzik)/ But he living little.