Alexander Palace Forum
Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: Iskenderbey on April 06, 2005, 11:52:11 AM
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Was Just reading that the city of Sofia honored the anniversary of the birth of Prince Alexander Battenberg for his role in Bulgarian unity and nationhood.
Here the link:
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=46379
Regards
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Does anyone know what happened to his widow Johanna Loisinger or their children Arsen (1890-1965) and Zvetana (1893-1935 )? Did they maintain much contact with their Hesse/Greek/Mountbatten relations? I can't imagine they were discriminated against given 1) how much Sandro was loved and 2) the fact that the family was a morganatic branch themselves.
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Hello guys:
Does anyone have picture of Julia von Hauke, mother of Prince Alexander of Battenberg ?
Thank you.
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(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/auersperg22/JuliaHaucke.jpg)
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Countess Julia von Hauke,later Princess von Battenberg!It would be great to have her colour portrait and also her son Prince Alexander von Battenberg if there is one...
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It is clear to see where the Battenberg children got their looks from. Julia/Julie is very pretty in a very contemporary way!
TampaBay
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/J.jpg)
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And one photo of Alexander's wife Johanna Loisinger,Countess von Hohenau!
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Hey guys,
Thank you very much for all these pictures. Now there is one from me to you:
(http://euro2001.net/issues/3_2002/images/54-3.jpg)
Prince Alexander I
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Thanks so much for this portrait!If you have some more,please post it!
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I know that she does not have anything to do with Alexander Battenberg. But there it is Clementine d'Orleans, mother of Ferdinand I.
(http://www.fineart-china.com/admin/images/new2/Winterhalter,%20Franz%20Xavier_UgwLgn.jpg)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/J.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I have a very important question for you. Does anyone here knows where is the exact burial place of Johanna Loisinger, Countess von Hohenau ?
Thank you!
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Does anyone know where Johanna Loisinger is buried ?
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From what I could dig up, it doesn't seem like they maintained much contact with the family, although I could be wrong.
Arsen, also called Assene, born Assene Ludwig Alexander, m. 1934 Bertha Hussa and apparently settled in Austria. He was her third husband and they had no children, although her son Wilhelm by a previous marriage took the name von Hartenau and became a doctor in Austria.
Johanna died in Vienna so she may be buried there. Alexander is buried at the Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia.
Zwetana, born Marie Therese Vera Zwetana, m. 1924 in NYC Charles Boissevain and died 1935 in Germany without issue.
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Thank you very much for the information. I hope someone out there would know where is the exact burial place of Johanna Loisinger?
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Thanks so much PrinceC. They really seem to have fallen off the end of the royal world.
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Does anyone know what happened to his widow Johanna Loisinger or their children Arsen (1890-1965) and Zvetana (1893-1935 )? Did they maintain much contact with their Hesse/Greek/Mountbatten relations? I can't imagine they were discriminated against given 1) how much Sandro was loved and 2) the fact that the family was a morganatic branch themselves.
As far as I know, Sandro never saw his mother Julie again after his marriage to Johanna. But that wouldn't necessarily mean that they didn't write to eachother. But I don't know about that. One documented date: August 1908, Assen is visiting his aunt Marie in Schönberg.
Johanna von Hartenau is burried in Graz. As well as Zwetana who died 1935. (cause of death?)
Between WW I & II, Assen was working diplomaticly. But where and what exactly (Diplomat/Secretary?) I don't know.
After WWII he belonged to the finance ministry/office in Wien. He died 1965 .
Johanna evolved into a highly recognised pianist, working with Bruckner and Mahler and others in Wien and in Graz. In WW I it is said that she did charity work.
Greetings
VN
PS.
In 1895 Johanna visited Queen Victoria in Nice (QV being there on vacation). QV wrote:
"Yesterday poor dear Sandro's widow came to see me. Ludwig brought her; & I was so pleased with & touched by her. She is so handsome, so pleasing & so very distinguée. But she looks so sad. She was very much upset at seeing me. " ( I guess that means that Johanna was crying?!)
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It's really a pity that Bismarck objected to Prince Alexander's marriage with German Princess Victoria...
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It's really a pity that Bismarck objected to Prince Alexander's marriage with German Princess Victoria...
It was really a GREAT PITY for Viktoria (Moretta). I am doubt that Alexander was dying to marry her and make a crowd of enemies.
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Johanna von Hartenau is burried in Graz. As well as Zwetana who died 1935. (cause of death?)
Between WW I & II, Assen was working diplomaticly. But where and what exactly (Diplomat/Secretary?) I don't know.
WOW. You are the only person who was able to tell me where Johanna von Hartenau was actually buried.
Do you know if she is buried in a Church or a Cemetery?
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Johanna is buried on the "Grazer St.-Leonhard-Friedhof". Zwetana is also buried there. Her grave is located on the Cemetarywall, backside of Riesstraße. (Riesstreet).
I've never been there, got the information from the Stadtarchiv in Graz, but I have a picture of Johannas Grave, well actually just a copy of a picture.
Maybe someone in the Forum is from Austria/Graz?? I'd like to go there one day, I'm trying to seduce my husband to go there on holiday. But unfortunatly he's a "Surf dude".
;)
Greetings
VN
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At one time Bismark suggested that Alexander should marry a Orthodox heiress to cement his position,both by religion and with cash to help smooth his path. The unmarried Zenaida Youssoupoff was the greatest prize fitting the catagory.Her father Prince Nicholas Borisovitch was approached. The Prince may have had dreams of seeing his daughter on a throne but it was not one as shaky as the Bulgarian. Also he may have been warned by the Russian goverment so it (and any other plans Sandro may have had)came to nothing.....
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Johanna is buried on the "Grazer St.-Leonhard-Friedhof". Zwetana is also buried there. Her grave is located on the Cemetarywall, backside of Riesstraße. (Riesstreet).
I've never been there, got the information from the Stadtarchiv in Graz, but I have a picture of Johannas Grave, well actually just a copy of a picture.
Maybe someone in the Forum is from Austria/Graz?? I'd like to go there one day, I'm trying to seduce my husband to go there on holiday. But unfortunatly he's a "Surf dude".
;)
Greetings
VN
WOW
Can you post the picture. That would be incredible. I never thought that someone had an actual picture. Please.
How would the names of the locations be translated in English?
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Is there a picture of Pr. Alexander's wife and children ?
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Is there a picture of Pr. Alexander's wife and children ?
(http://bulgarianorders.com/ext/items/2fdd62fe_bg1880batenbergbabycdv.jpg)
Alexander and Johanna, with one of their children, I believe Asen.
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The picture shows Asen and his parents. Zwetana was born on the 24. October 1893, four weeks later her Father Alexander died in Graz where they lived. This child on the picture is older than 4 weeks.
Very sad, thinking about it. It must have been horrible for Johanna. Marie von Erbach-Schönberg (Sandro's sister) writes in her Memoires about the situation coming to Graz shortly after Sandro passed away. Johanna refused to eat, everybody was also very worried about her.
And then Marie had promissed Sandro (on the last time they saw eachother on a holiday in Italy April 1893 Florence /Venice) , if he should die and the Bulgarian Government would want him to be buried in Sofia, she would have to arrange that. As we all know this was the case and so Marie had the task to talk with Johanna about it and negotiate between her and the bulgarian delegation. Very hard situation for everybody. But in the end Johanna agreed, even though she knew that she would never be buried next to her beloved husband.
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The picture shows Assen and his parents. Zwetana was born on the 24. October 1893, four weeks later her Father Alexander died in Graz where they lived. This child on the picture is older than 4 weeks.
Very sad, thinking about it. It must have been horrible for Johanna. Marie von Erbach-Schönberg (Sandro's sister) writes in her Memoires about the situation coming to Graz shortly after Sandro passed away. Johanna refused to eat, everybody was also very worried about her.
And then Marie had promissed Sandro (on the last time they saw eachother on a holiday in Italy April 1893 Florence /Venice) , if he should die and the Bulgarian Government would want him to be buried in Sofia, she would have to arrange that. As we all know this was the case and so Marie had the task to talk with Johanna about it and negotiate between her and the bulgarian delegation. Very hard situation for everybody. But in the end Johanna agreed, even though she knew that she would never be buried next to her beloved husband.
I do hope that someday Countess Johanna will be buried next to her husband.
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A pictures of Alexander I from the National Museum in Sofia. I am sorry that the flash of the camera is on the way.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/popov_2000/100_2289.jpg)
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Here is another picture of Alexander I. Once again the flash is creating a problem because of the glass.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/popov_2000/100_2293.jpg)
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Can someone post porters of Ludwig II of Hesse and Wilhelmine of Baden, grandparents of Alexander I.
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Can someone post porters of Ludwig II of Hesse and Wilhelmine of Baden, grandparents of Alexander I.
Hi Boyar
You should check the Hessen-Darmstadt Thread on pictures (I guess this is what you mean with porters!?) I think I saw at least one of Wilhelmine.
Ludwig II lived 1777-1848, Wilhelmine from 1788-1836
Ludwig II is not the real grandfather of Sandro. Well officially in those days yes, he agreed to legitimate the last 3 children, so Alexander von Hessen is not the real son of Ludwig II. After Wilhelmine gave birth to an heir and another Son (Ludwig III and Prinz Karl) she felt, I guess, that she had done her duty and she retreated to Jugenheim/Schloß Heiligenberg and the Rosenhöhe. Lu II & Wilhelmine where first cousins, so I don't really think it was a love match. Her next 3 children (Elisabeth, Alexander, Marie) were the children of August Freiherr von Senarclens-Grancy.
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Where did you get this information?
TampaBay
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It's been rumored but never proven to be true. I think Richard Hough wrote of it in his book on Louis and Victoria and it's been mentioned elsewhere. There were rumors that followed Marie to Russia when she married Alexander II, much as Cecile of Baden had to contend with when she married GD Michael.
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Where did you get this information?
TampaBay
Hallo TampaBay
I've got this information from different sources, books and articles I read.
I know it is hard to belive. In the book "Das Haus Hessen" from Prof. Franz
( former head of the Staatsarchiv in DA) it is also mentioned. The one picture I have of August Freiherr von Senarclens-Grancy you really see a strong similarity with Alexander von Hessen.
Greetings from DA
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Where did you get this information?
TampaBay
Hallo TampaBay
I've got this information from different sources, books and articles I read.
I know it is hard to belive. In the book "Das Haus Hessen" from Prof. Franz
( former head of the Staatsarchiv in DA) it is also mentioned. The one picture I have of August Freiherr von Senarclens-Grancy you really see a strong similarity with Alexander von Hessen.
Greetings from DA
Can you post this picture here. I really want to see August Freiherr von Senarclens-Grancy.
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If anyone have pictures of Ludwig II of Hesse and Wilhelmine of Baden post them here. I tryed to find any pictures in other forums but without any luck.
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Who was /is August Freiherr von Senarclens-Grancy?
TampaBay
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He was the master of the horse at the Hessian Court.
Here's what The Romanovs has to say about the situation:
(Upon Tsarevitch Alexander falling in love with Marie Hesse) 'Early maturity had owed something, perhaps, to the unhappiness of her childhood; her parents had been estranged for some years before her mother's death from consumption, when Marie was eleven. It was said that not only had she been born several years after her parents ceased to live together, but also that the Grand duke's master of the hosre was her father, and that the Grand Duke had only acknowledged her..in order to avoid a scandal.'
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If anyone have pictures of Ludwig II of Hesse and Wilhelmine of Baden post them here. I tryed to find any pictures in other forums but without any luck.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/177720Ludwig1.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/hesse/178820Wilhelmine1.jpg)
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Just as a little reminder, on Thursday, April 5, Sandro would have been 150 years :). *05. April 1857
I'm working on a little exhibition about Sandro' Life and his wife Johanna von Hartenau which should take place in Jugenheim. Since research is very time consuming :o I had to pospone my Idea of an exhibition due to his 150. birthday on Thursday. It will take some more time.
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/auersperg23/J.jpg)
Hello everyone,
I have a very important question for you. Does anyone here knows where is the exact burial place of Johanna Loisinger, Countess von Hohenau ?
Thank you!
She was buried on St. Leonhard Cemetery at Graz, Austria .
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - Cover
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg-Cover.jpg)
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - 2 & 3
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg2-3.jpg)
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - 4 & 5
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg4-5.jpg)
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - 6 & 7
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg6-7.jpg)
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - 8 & 9
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg8-9.jpg)
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The Battenberg Mausoleum in Sofia - 10 & 11
(http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg10-11.jpg)
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Thank you for this...if you find some more pictures,portraits or infos about Bulgarian Battenbergs please post!
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Links to the original and larger size pictures. Click on individual picture to make it larger.
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/SofiaBatenbergMausoleumInfo.htm (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/SofiaBatenbergMausoleumInfo.htm)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg-Cover.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg-Cover.jpg)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg2-3.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg2-3.jpg)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg4-5.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg4-5.jpg)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg6-7.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg6-7.jpg)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg8-9.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg8-9.jpg)
http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg10-11.jpg (http://kodeks.uni-bamberg.de/Bulgaria/media/Batenberg_Mausoleum/Batenberg10-11.jpg)
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Ah... Hey Friends,
It's so glad for me to see you interest in my countrty and our rulers...
Thank you all for posting those pictures!
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Boyar i see that the book is on my language can you give me the name? Please :)
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Does anyone know who was to succeed Prince Alexander if he didn't have any children? Did Bulgaria have a succession law that dealt with the issue?
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Does anyone know who was to succeed Prince Alexander if he didn't have any children? Did Bulgaria have a succession law that dealt with the issue?
As far as I can see the Tarnovo Constitution didn't make any further provisions than "direct male-line heirs" of Prince Alexander. A separate succession law was promised, but no such law was passed. Apart from the original Bulgarian and Russian, I only found a German translation: Verfassung des Fürstentums Bulgarien, unterzeichnet in Tarnowo am 16./28. April 1879 (http://www.verfassungen.eu/bg/verf79-i.htm). Chapter V deals with the succession.
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Thank you for your reply, Rærik. I thought that was the case, but I just wondered whether his Battenberg family was mentioned as possible heirs. If so, it would in a way make the Battenbergs a reigning family, and so elevate them from their status as a morganatic family to an equal one.
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Id like to inform you that there will be an Exhibition on Alexander von Battenberg at Schloss Heiligenberg on the 18. & 19. September 2010. For more information you can click on the following link:
http://www.honorarkonsul-bulgarien-hessen.de/ (http://www.honorarkonsul-bulgarien-hessen.de/)
The Verkehrs,-und Verschönerungsverein Jugenheim will be the host. The main exhibition, which will be given to us from the Bulgarian Embassy is about Sandros years in Bulgaria. We, the VVJ will add material which emphasises on Sandros life before and after Bulgaria.
There will also be a little cultural program and a buffet.
Maybe there are some Bulgarian Forum members that live in Germany, you are welcome to visit.
Greetings from Germany
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