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Title: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Thomas_A. on April 06, 2004, 08:07:33 AM

Who is your personal favorite family-member and why?
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 06, 2004, 11:05:34 AM
That's a great question, Thomas.

I've long felt a kinship with Olga Nicholievna. (Not literally, Valmont and Rodger--figuratively!)   :D

Certain aspects of Olga's life and personality seem to match up with mine. Not the wealth and priviledge, of course! But from the time I read Massie's description, I was intrigued . . . and as I continued to read about the Romanovs in general, and Olga specifically, I felt that I knew her very well.  It's an odd feeling to connect across time with someone--but a feeling that I'm sure many of us share.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Louise on April 06, 2004, 11:57:08 AM
I'm not sure if favorite would be the right word, but I have been intriqued with Sergei Alexandrovitch since I first read Hessian Tapestry many years ago. Since then I try to find out any information on him.  I guess being gay myself, I am drawn to how gay people reacted to their sexuality when it was not discusses in polite society so many years ago. However there is more to Sergei that draws me other than his sexuality. It's the entire contridication of the man. So loved or hated, so gentle and kind at times with Ella, stern and unforgiving if a protocol of etiquitte was transgressed. Respected by some in his family and disrespected by others. What or who was the true man?

Louise
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Sushismom on April 06, 2004, 12:00:01 PM
I'm intrigued the most by Alexandra, so I guess she'd be my favorite.  I'm not totally sympathetic to her, but on the other hand I'm not unsympathetic either. I often wonder if things would have been different had she removed herself entirely from Russian politics.  
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: RobMoshein on April 06, 2004, 12:03:08 PM
My vote goes for Grand Duke Nicholas Michaelovich, "Uncle Bimbo". A big bear of a man, with a brilliant mind, sharp wit, and huge sense of humor. He was never caught up in the "Grand Duke" thing, treated the men in his regiment as total equals, and drove Alexander III nuts by driving around Petersburg and even to the Palace in a simple old "izovtchick" drawn by one old nag horse while chomping on a cigar.

He was a brilliant and serious historian, who was granted unlimited access to the Romanov family archives and who wrote several highly important history books on the reign of Alexander I. He was never afraid to speak his mind openly, and did so often. He drove Nicholas II nuts with his anti-war and anti governent speaches in Petersburg during WWI.  He was also an expert on French history, and earned honorary university degrees. Sadly, he was trapped by being a GD, and so could not really "work".  I like the guy, alot.
PS. He was madly in love with his first cousin,  Victoria of Baden, but (despite MMR's claims of such practices) this marriage was forbidden because the Russian Orthodox Church forbade first cousin marriages (see pg. 83 "A Romanov Diary" by Grand Duchess George)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Arleen on April 06, 2004, 12:18:29 PM
There you go Rob, you have the beginnings of a BOOK!!!  I am really intrigued by your answer.  The one who always comes to mind first for me is K.R.  Grand Duke Konstantin Konstanovich.  I think it is his diary that has gotten to me so much,  His agony over his gay episodes and his love for his wife and children...and Lord wern't there a lot of children!  He just seems so vulnerable and kind and basically good.  I really like him a lot.
Now if someone wants to put up favorites outside of the Romanovs that will be another matter. ..Arleen

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Lisa on April 06, 2004, 12:50:59 PM
I am fascinated by Alix! I have a small preference for Olga, among her daughters. Moreover I am veryyyy intrigued by Ella (moreover I am
called like her: Elisabeth!)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: anna on April 06, 2004, 02:20:19 PM
I'm also fascinated by Alexandra. I feel attracted to her, but she can also pull me of. She's complicated, looking cool on the outside but a vulcano on the inside. Something that intrigue me.

Her daughter Anastasia is definitely my favourite. When you look at her pictures, always a different expression on her face. The naughty twinkling in her eyes. She's like an open book. She's showing you exactly what she
feels at that moment.
I wonder, If she had the change to live and grow up, would she become a devoted wife to some GD or some sort of rebellious Grandduchess who became af famous actress in the end?

Anna



Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: JM on April 06, 2004, 05:05:29 PM
Alix and Ella are my favourites. I like Alix's pride and I find her to be complicated and therefore interesting. Ella had an interesting life and I just like her personality.

I'm also interested in Grand Duke Nicholas Nicolaievich and Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: M_Breheny on April 06, 2004, 07:30:24 PM
For some reason, my favorite Romanov is the less-written-about Grand Duchess Maria.  Although she always seemed so happy and out-going, her letters and diary entries portray her as rather needy and essentially sad.  It appears that the two older girls did not take her very seriously, and Anastasia, though very close to Maria, probably saw Alexei as her favorite sibling.  This left poor Maria as a sort of fifth wheel.  Many contemporaries considered Tatiana the beauty of the family but, to me, the photographs of Maria indicate that she was the prettiest of the four girls.  
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: sara on April 06, 2004, 09:02:15 PM
Nicholas. Everything I read makes me want to know even more about him. Even in paintings in and pictures, those eyes of his make me wonder what was beneath that surface. (hmm, I sound like a schoolgirl with a crush..hehe :))
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 06, 2004, 09:26:52 PM
Some really fascinating answers here!  One of the best of the "nonscholarly" questions.  Everyone makes excellent arguments for their choices.

A couple of quick observations re: the last two: I agree that there's more to Marie than one would initially think.  That anecdote in M. Eager's book is one example--of how she learned to stand up for her rights against Olga and Tatiana--plus her father's comment about her wings growing so long, plus various comments in the King/Wilson book. It would seem, in fact, that Marie and the late Princess Diana had more than a few things in common: Both were third daughters; both sensed they had been disappointments at birth due to their gender; both were essentially romantics and "people persons"; both went through gauche periods; both had an affinity for children and small animals; both were physically preposing, despite their feminity; both longed for their mother's love, but often felt shortchanged; and both, of course, were very, very beautiful.

As for Nicholas, I confess, Sara, that I have also fallen under the spell of his eyes.  And we aren't alone; a number of reminiscences mention the quality of his gaze!

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: _Rodger_ on April 06, 2004, 09:48:17 PM
Stephanie.






For the way she keeps Angel on his toes.







*ducks for cover*
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: ptitchka on April 06, 2004, 09:49:20 PM
 :)  Alexei.  :)

I revere this dear little Sunbeam of a Tsarevich very highly, for his patience, his bravery and his good humor.  He may have had his ornery episodes, and what little boy doesn't?  (So he's a very human passion-bearer.)  But there are anecdotes in which he absolutely shines.  Here's an example, and I beg forgiveness for  my bad Russian translation skills.

It came to the ears of the Tsar, while a very young Alexei was in earshot, that a railroad worker and his family had fallen on hard times.  The Emperor pledged 'I will give him thirty rubles a month.'  Then the little Tsarevich piped up enthusiastically, 'And I will give him forty!'
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Greg_King on April 07, 2004, 01:06:10 AM
Departing somewhat from the usual suspects:

Nicholas I, who has generally had a bad rap, loved his wife and family as much as N II did, and managed to be both a successful sovereign with a mind that understood problems and the need for reform (hence his specific instructions on the training of Alexander II-I think the freeing of the Serfs was born with NI), but also a man with considerable taste and talent.  He was, at least to me, the last of the "great" Russian sovereigns.

Greg King
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Penny_Wilson on April 07, 2004, 01:18:36 AM
Me, I rather like Michael Alexandrovich right now. I'd like to know more about his personality and motivations than we found out in the Crawfords' book.  I don't know why they called it "Michael and Natasha" because it seemed to me that he was just a prop in her bio.  I think he was deeper, more intelligent, and far more in tune with the times than they portrayed.

In the past, I have liked OTM, but not so much A and A.

My most enduring Romanov has been KR.  He's massively interesting, and there's always more to learn...

Penny
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: David Newell on April 07, 2004, 02:55:44 AM
Who is my fav Romanov, well that is a hard question! It would have to be Alexandra Fyodorovna. I have always been fascinated by her. As I have grown older I have understood her a little better. I do not say that I understand her, but I can see her points of view a little clearer. She came from a small provincial court and I think this had an enormous effect on the way she saw the Russian court in her early days. The education she had recieved and her knowledge of the constitutional monarchy of her grandmother created huge conflicts within her. I think Queen Victoria knew AF's failings and this is why she was against the marriage. I do not agree with some of Greg Kings conclusions about AF in Ekaterinburg, (but the new book on the Ipatiev house by him and Penny is the best book I have ever read on the subject, bravo you two, excellent work!!!!) I don't think she was a very different mother from many of the time. I mean of her class and education. I think by the time of Ekaterinburg she was an emotinal and physical wreck. But she could still call on reserves of strength, this I think she had learnt from the struggles with AN's illness.
Many have said that Nicholas II would have made a good constitutional monarch, but I am not sure AF would have been a good constitutional consort. You have to be seen to be that. She had similar traits to her mother and grandmother, reliance on men not of the family, i.e. John Brown. I have never believed the relationship with Raspution to have been physical. I am not convinced that Nicholas was always controled by AF, her letters are full of why have you  not, when will you and you must listen to our friend. But I do hold her in a special place, I think she did love Russia, but her misfortune was to be in love with a Russian that was rapidly changing and had no place for the Autocracy. She was a good mother and devoted wife and what would any of us have done if we had the constant knowledge that our children or spouse could be blown up at any moment. Would you not have wanted to withdraw to a place of safety, mentally and physically.
She fascinates me and I have to say I am a little obsessed by her. Her faith has always been an example to me, I wish I had such devotion.

David Newell, London April 2004
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: investigator on April 07, 2004, 04:04:50 AM
I think it would have to be Maria the Dowager Empress.  She has always interested me because of the Anastasia mystery and also because she is considered to be the most tragic figure of history.  I can understand that because she lost all her family her sons and her grandchildren.  how she survived all that? She i think was a very interesting woman.  I admire her strength and personality.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Janet_Ashton on April 07, 2004, 07:13:29 AM
Currently, mine is Konstantin Nikolaievich - a  reforming Romanov and an admirable man in my opinion (though ultimately like many Grand Dukes not a very good husband!). I am also fascinated by Miechen - for me, the most interesting people are not necessarily the nicest ones! Historically, my "favourite" in this sense has been Alix.

Janet
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on April 07, 2004, 07:23:00 AM
olga nikolaevna and olga alexandrovna.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: jackie3 on April 07, 2004, 05:54:57 PM
I wouldn't argue with any of the choices made by others - the Romanovs (like the Stuarts and Plantagenets) seem to have had several generations of members who could have whole books devoted to them.

Personally I'd have to say that I feel the most for the Tsarina, Alix, a soul (like Marie Antoinette) still lied about and defamed for things she didn't do long after her death.

I'm most intrigued by Tsar Alexander I even if he wasn't Feodor Kumich. Vacillating yet strong, sneaky yet sincere. Raised by Catherine the Great to be her liberal successor only to not grant the reforms he had been taught as a child. An accomplice in the coup that toppled (and killed) his father Tsar Paul who was guilty for the rest of his life. A reluctant ally of Napoleon and yet also the monarch who let Moscow be burned rather than let Bonaparte have it and then led the Allied forces into Paris. A man with mistresses yet by the end of his life a religious mystic who may/may not have faked his own death.

I'm most entranced by GD Maria Nicolaivena whose pictures seem to show her very soul, its almost as if she's looking at us in many of the pictures all these years later - a different feeling from the others' photos. And for someone who was so good and nice and obviously beautiful (one can see why Lord Mountbatten kept her picture with him till he the day he died), she seems to have had low self-esteem, sometimes felt unloved and was commonly called fat. I can't imagine how she must have felt.

But my favorite is GD Olga Nicholaivena - she seems (from everything I've read) to be the only one who seemed to know what was going on (despite her sheltered upbringing) and where the "Revolution" was heading when it came to the fate of her family - there was a reason she brought a revolver with her to Tobolsk...and yet knowing what was to come she met her fate bravely. She seemed to have the kind personality of her father and the strong "will" of her grandfather Alexander III. If given a chance she could have made a good Tsarina in her own right if her father had changed the succession and WWI had not happened. Or if not that a Regent for her sickly brother. If there was any Romanov since Michael I himself I could talk to given the chance - it would be her.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 07, 2004, 06:22:03 PM
Olga, you didn't tell us why you chose the two Olgas! And Thomas asked the question, but hasn't answered it himself.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 08, 2004, 12:35:12 AM
Olga Alexandrovna, because it took enormous courage for her to have lost so much during her life, and yet she remained whole and sane.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on April 08, 2004, 09:17:13 AM
Olga Nikolaevna, because like jackie said, she seems to have had a better idea of what was happening outside the palace walls and was the most intelligent of the children.

Olga Alexandrovna:  i think she was seen by the court as boring and plain jane-ish, but she appears to have been more intelligent and grounded than the other members of her family. plus she lost so much of her family and her home, yet sh came out as such a strong and admirable woman. when she died the times of Imperial Russia were gone forever.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: equinox on April 08, 2004, 01:39:29 PM
My favorite Romanov is Grand Duchess Maria because she was the sweetest and most loyal of the four daughters.



Kimo Gant

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Silja on April 08, 2004, 03:09:57 PM
Alix, because of her difficult and tragic character.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on April 09, 2004, 01:49:24 AM
Well, getting into this conversation is quite difficult, but there are two who have always stood out for me.

konstantin konstantinovitch, because he was always able to look at the world around the romanovs and around Russia with such clarity, without being disloyal.  Also, he was a major scholar, whose translations from English are still used today.

I am also a devout follower of Elizaveta Feodorovna, who managed to accept her country with all its faults, and love it with all her ability--she was also able to love her family members despite their failings...

Nick
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Thomas_A. on April 09, 2004, 05:44:40 AM
In my opinion there are no family members who are as interesting and fascinating as Alix and Ella!.

I think in my case it is really a kind of "Darmstadt-patriotism" ;D ; it is very important for me that the two "Hesse-sisters" were born here - so near to my place - and so I am able to see all the places related to their roots without any problems.
It is incredible that two princesses from this little Grand Duchy became so well known through their hard destiny.

They're fascinating me because both were kind of "double edged". It is so difficult for me to express it in english... :-/
Ella with her inclination to luxury, jewels and gowns and the rude way she treated her niece Maria Pawlowna and on the other hand her total break away from secular relations and sacrifice for the poor.
Alix is - for me - one of the persons of whom one can say: You love her or you hate her.
She was so incredible stubborn and consequent in her opinion about "right or wrong" and was surely a very important factor for the dynasty's fall. But on the other hand - I had the great opportunity to read some of the
original letters she wrote to her brother Ernie in the Archive in Darmstadt - she was such a loving and devoted woman to those she liked. Her activities in the WWI and the way she cared for her friends (for example Princess Orbelijani) are outstanding.
They both had their good and their bad trades like everybody and that is the most fascinating thing: They were humans!.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Lisa on April 09, 2004, 06:13:11 AM
Thomas,
If you have a passion for Ella & Alix,please visit this site:
http://groups.msn.com/theGlitteringAbyss/shoebox.msnw

Did you read my personnal message for you?
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Adele on April 09, 2004, 08:38:51 AM
My favorites are Ella and Alexandra:

(1)  Ella:   Because of her tremendous organizational ability; being devout is one thing, but  to organize a religious order;that is an incredible feat.

(2)   Alexandra:  I always had a sense that her stubborness stemmed from the awful role she had to play.  I suspect the only control she had over all those awful Palace Politics (and I thought University politics were and are Machivellian....!)and intrigue was to distance herself from it all. And distancing is usually considered by others as 'being cold' emotionally.   I can REALLY identify with that trait.  Plus all those babies!  Talk about post partum
depression!  

--Adele

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on April 10, 2004, 07:13:05 AM
i've been intrigued by the children of the early tsars, before Pyotr Alexeevich(westernisation of russia, etc) does anyone know anything about them?
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 10, 2004, 01:01:17 PM
Hello everybody, and Happy Easter!:)

I would have to say that although i simply adore the whole of the dearest family, for me the favourites has to be beloved Alicky, and also dear Ella. I just adore them! Also because the two sisters are Hesse-Romanov, and the Hessen history interests me so so much - i love to learn about their ancestors and their residences, especially those in and around Darmstadt.. +++


Alix, i find so fascinating, especially her childhood years in Germany, before going to Russia, and these years really help us to understand so much about her complex character.  She could be so strong in her opinions, and yet this combined with her loving devotion as a wife and mother is for me part of the fascination - she was human! I love to read her letters to her dear brother & friends as well as those to Nicky and the children - in them, we can see her so clearly. She had such a love for her adopted country, and all the contributions made during the war to name but a few, are truly remarkable.


Ella is just so fascinating - her early childhood, and marriage are so interesting to compare with her later life as an Abbess, and now a Saint+. She inherited her mother's great care for the poor and needy, and her work performed at the Martha and Mary Convent was simply astonishing.

There is available a pamphlet from the St John of Kronstadt press, written by Ella - the directions given for the running of the Convent. I recommend it very much - the insight it gives not only into Ella, but how she wanted her convent to be run, and its work, is invaluable.

Best wishes,
Elisa :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: BobAtchison on April 10, 2004, 01:05:41 PM
Elisa:

Is this the rule you mention or is it another?

Bob

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/marthamary.html
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 10, 2004, 03:51:36 PM
I understand this order was disolved after the revolution, and some form of it serves the tombs in Jerusalem?  Has it been reformed in Russia itself?
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: BobAtchison on April 10, 2004, 05:10:51 PM
The order survived undergroud until it was officially revived.  The traditions of the convent were carried on the girls who had passed through it and the many artists that worked on the convent.

The convent was saved by the estabishment of an ikon restoration studio in the church itself.  This was a deliberate action on the part of the artistic intelligensia of Moscow to preserve not only this splendid building, but also the memory of Elizabeth.

Bob
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on April 11, 2004, 01:36:24 AM
yes it is interesting, considering starting from Pyotr Alexeevich the gradual loss of Russian-ness from the Romanovs, especially Peter of Holstein-Gottorp. what a waste of time he was.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 11, 2004, 05:53:45 AM
Hello Bob!

It is indeed the rule, the same one. Ive never been able to find out the address of the Holy Trinity Monastery, they must have some great Romanov/Ella material.
The St John of Kronstadt Press must have done a third printing, and is still available.

Best wishes,
Elisa :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: borgia on April 12, 2004, 07:20:26 PM
Shouldnt have favorites;but ,mine is Marie.A sweet ,good natured kid.As all the kids were.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Namarolf on April 12, 2004, 07:21:28 PM
I wouldn't say he is my favorite Romanov -but has anybody done some proper research on GD Cyril Vladimirovich ? All I've read about him seems to focus in the red flag in his palace and how he "betrayed" the Tsar, etc. I've just read his autobiography and he turned out to be a much more interesting character that I expected -and certainly not the Benedict Arnold Romanov many people think he was.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Sarai on April 20, 2004, 10:55:10 AM
My favourite Romanov is the Grand Duchess Maria Nicolaievna. Her beauty has always captivated me, and she was simply one of the loveliest little girls that I have ever seen. Aside from her physical characteristics, her sweet character, and her love for children, family, and animals all endear me to her as well. Some may think that she was overly sweet and perfect, but as we know she had another more complex side to her that could be assertive but also sad and lacking confidence. I don't think that she was an overall sad child, she just had episodes of doubt about her parents' love that all children may have from time to time. She had a very happy childhood and her mother did reassure her that she was loved. A final reason that she is my favorite is because she is probably the least well known of the family members. Even amongst her sisters, the oldest had the time to make their personalities known and the youngest children were fairly well known as well - Anastasia due to the claimants associated with her name and Alexei because he was simply the heir and due to his disease much was written about him by his family. But Maria is just there, caught in the middle, known only as a sweet child but not much else. I have always been drawn to characters about whom little is known, to those that are not the most popular or the most well known, and in this case it is Maria.

In second place I think I would pick her mother as a favourite. I think this is because I see much in common with her and my personalities in certain aspects, specifically that she was a shy, quiet, and serious woman who preferred the company of her immediate family to that of anyone else, and with an admirable, everlasting, and great love for her husband and children (I personally don't have children yet but I can appreciate her devotion to them and imagine it will be the same with me when I do). She valued family above all else, despite being judged harshly for devoting herself to them first and neglecting her social duties as Empress. As a shy person myself I can totally relate to her dislike of parties and public events, and to being misunderstood as being proud and haughty when one is just uncomfortable around strangers and not into socializing all that much. But once you are befriended, you are a loyal friend and really open up to the people you trust and love. You are one way in public - quiet and shy - but completely at ease in your own home with your most cherished ones, where you can speak your mind, relax, and even joke around without fear of being judged or rejected. This is the way I feel and from what I have read what she was like as well.

I like several other Romanovs, as in all large families there are just so many interesting people with so many different and distinct personalities. I am interested in Nicholas's mother Marie Feodorovna if only because she was such a complete opposite to Alexandra - very social and outgoing - and was the way that most people would imagine an Empress to be. She had so many happy years entertaining and living a wonderfully luxurious life, and these are the years I prefer to remember her in.

Her daughter Olga I sympathize with greatly. I admire her for being able to adapt to life in Canada so well. She seemed to be a person of humble heart whom we could all have been friends with. Her later years I find so very sad, living with all of those memories. Her time in Russia must have seemed like a dream, a time lived by another person in another life, it seemed so distant and remote. When I think that when she died in 1960 she had not seen her brother and beloved nieces in over 40 years I think it is just so sad. I always remember what she said when asked if she had cried a lot when she remembered her life and her dead family, and she replied with something to the effect that she had not cried, because if she ever did start crying she was afraid she would never be able to stop. How heartbreaking.

Finally, one more person springs to mind which was a Romanov but not part of Nicholas's immediate family circle. This was Alexandra, the daughter of Tsar Nicholas I. I have not read much about her, but I know that this father was devoted to her and when she died tragically young in childbirth he was absolutely devastated and built memorials to her in the Alexander Palace. I would like to know more about this daughter who was so cherished by her parents and who died so tragically.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Jackswife on April 20, 2004, 04:27:32 PM
 Of the "immediate" family, probably Tatiana is my favorite one. She seemed to combine all the Imperial attributes-plus, she looked like a living dream IMHO. ;) I always thought if she had lived and the Revolution had not happened, that she would have become a royal superstar like the later Astrid and Diana. :(
Of the "extended" family,  I favor Miechen and Ella, who were very un-alike in many ways but who are completely fascinating still.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: HRHLaurie1894 on April 21, 2004, 01:58:48 PM
Absolutely - without a doubt - it's NICKY - Nicholas II.
My friends are convinced that the reason I am not married is that I have not found a man like Nicky!  Perhaps they are right!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Thomas_A. on April 21, 2004, 04:42:11 PM
Quote
Finally, one more person springs to mind which was a Romanov but not part of Nicholas's immediate family circle. This was Alexandra, the daughter of Tsar Nicholas I. I have not read much about her, but I know that this father was devoted to her and when she died tragically young in childbirth he was absolutely devastated and built memorials to her in the Alexander Palace. I would like to know more about this daughter who was so cherished by her parents and who died so tragically.


I found out her dates at least:
*24.6.1825 Peteresburg +10.8.1844 Tsarskoje Selo

Her husband (married on 28.1.1844) was Landgrave Friedrich of Hesse Kassel (1820-1884)
The son she gave gave birth to died on the same day and was named Wilhelm.
There is a book pubilshed about her outstanding trousseau ,called "Die Mitgift einer Zarentochter".

At Fasanerie Castle near Fulda in Germany one can still see her boudoir with many of her personal belongings.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: bookworm8571 on April 22, 2004, 08:24:43 PM
The mystery over Anastasia was what got me interested in the Romanovs in the first place, so in that way she's probably my favorite Romanov.

After I read more about the family I couldn't stop tracking down more and more obscure information about them. Strange hobby!

I think Alix's sister Ella is probably the most admirable of the family. Here was a woman rich beyond the dreams of avarice who chose to go into the slums and try to make life better for those poorer than herself. She went to see her husband's murderer and tried to understand what drove him. She had a real religious epiphany that I think truly qualifies her as a saint.

I find Felix Yussupov fascinating for some of the same reasons. There's this great dichotomy between his acts of charity and desire to give away his riches to help the poor and the great evil that he was capable of. Reading about the murder of Rasputin always makes my stomach turn. I think Yussupov had a sexual fascination with Rasputin that had a great deal to do with the murder.

Of the Tsar's immediate family, I like his sister Olga because she had the guts to end her unhappy marriage and take up with someone she really loved, even though her mother gave her hell for it. There was no nonsense about Olga. Everything was very simple and on-the-level. I like Grand Duke Michael and Victoria Melita for some of the same reasons. The royal rebels appeal to me. How dare the Tsar tell them who they could love and who they should marry? LOL.

Of the Tsar's children, I like Olga the best because I have a soft spot for bookworms. Sensitive, moody, mercurial, and "a tendency toward bad manners" and "sulking her mother," Olga Nikolaievna wasn't perfect and that's pretty appealing.

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Dasha on June 24, 2004, 12:01:29 AM
I guess it can be said that I'm a bit late for this particular discussion, but the topic was so appealing that I couldn't resist putting in my two cents (not a shocker since I have a tendency to show my opinions whether or not they are wanted).  I have a few favourite romanovs, and I'll do my best to be brief and hopefully coherant.  I have a soft spot for Nicky, because I believe it takes a real man to surrender utterly and completely to the feelings of love towards his wife.  He was romantic and attentive, and that can certainly be seen in his letters to his wife, as well as in his diary entries.  I also admire the fact that despite his duties he made time to be a Papa, and had a close relationship with his children.  It has been stated in some books that he was a father and a friend in one, and that's a quality many parents seem to lack.  

Alicky is on my list, because she had the guts to be herself despite everyone's opinions.  She was so in touch with her own convictions that she wasn't afraid to shall we say plow ahead.  She was Nicky's world, and the love and closeness that they shared is rare and hard to find at any given time, but particularly in that era, because so many royal marriages were arranged and ended up being disasterous (my most sincere apologies for bad spelling).  She was a great Mom, and just like Nicky was able to be her children's friend and parent.  

Olga N. is among my favourites because I can relate to her.  I'm a bookworm, and I love to learn and be on topof things.  It was rather evident that Olga was aware of the outside world, and that can be credited to the fact that she was allowed into her father's study and had access to the newspapers (that I found out in the book titled Nicholas And Alexandra by Robert K. Massie).  I also like her ability to have fun, and just be a normal human being.  Her arguments with her mother showed her desire for independance, and tha'ts an honorable trait for anyone regardless of the time period.

Finally Alexei is a favourite of mine because he was a little ray of sunshine despite his illness.  He was always cheerfull, and could enjoy life.  His openess with those close to him always moved me.  He never failed to show appreciation and affection to those who displayed any acts of kindness towards him.  
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Abby on July 08, 2004, 09:06:06 AM
Grand Duchess Marie is my faovrite, and always has been. She is the most beautiful girl ever born, and she had soul. I read in Carolly Eckerson's bio of Alexandra that Marie went through a period where she "was very moody and claimed that no one loved her and she was always alone". Poor child! And so sweet. Her beauty is unmatched...and that ancidote made her seem a little more human. No one is as perfect as some historians make her out to be!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Evanescence on October 13, 2004, 03:55:32 PM
I agree with Abby. Grand Duchess Maria (I prefer to call her that tee hee) was incredibly beautiful and sweet. I've read so much about Olga, Tatiana and especially Anastasia but not much about the older sister of the "little pair". Olag, Tatiana and Anastasia are also equally beautiful and special in their own way. I'm just more fascinated about Maria.

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Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Kostya on October 13, 2004, 07:46:44 PM
Many Romanov's are my favorite.  There are some i admire the most and would really liked to have met.  They are GD Konstantin, GD Sergei, GD Ella, GD Olga Nicholaevna, GD Ksenia Alexandrovna, Princess Irina, GD Dimitri Pavlovich, Emperor Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra, and GD Alexei Nicholaevich.  my reasons to like them is the fact that i can relate to some of them.  In GD Sergei he was a very reserved man who was hated for that same reason.  He had a kind heart, loved children, and was a devote Orthodox; he was thrilled when Ella decided to convert.  In Konstantin his inner passions and guilt was very tragic and i can imagine how many people go throught something like that with out telling anyone.  GD Ella is a figure of beauty both inside and out.  a person with no flaws and was loved by everyone.  She was a person who lived the life she was expected to live and then decided to live the life she wanted to live in a time and family in which your life is dictated for you.  GD Olga Nicholaevna was a figure of exquisite beauty.  She was the first daugther and yet one can hardly hear anything from just her.  she was a person who was very fragile in mind and spirit yet when it came tto being there she was there for her family.  GD Ksenia is a figure i know little about yet when i first saw her she captivated me from the get go.  Her story is quite sad and tragic yet in it you find a shred of happiness and the love of a sister to her brother.  Princess Irina is a person who showed timidness in the outside but when it came for her to show her true self she showed it without regrets.  GD Dimitri is a figure who also captivated me from the beginning with his sad eyes but a very powerful look.  his story is one filled from being on the very top to falling to very low a situation that everyone can relate.  Emperor Nicholas II is a figure who was placed in aposition he did not want,; yet he took on the rule as his solemn duty because he knew that was his responsiility and that he must take it.  he showed courage and strenght.  Empress Alexandra Federovna  is a tragic figure that shows that her self of being a wondeful mother, wife, friend, cousin, sister and all the rest except empress.  here is a figure who would have been a happy just living a simple life with her family.  GD alexei Nicholaevch (baby, aloysha)  he was a charming little boy who played an important role in history without knowing.  he was what every little boy was a happy boy who wanted to do what every little boy was doing living a normal life yet he was forbided to do what even his cousins were doing.  

These Romanov's stand out because in them you can see alot of similarities to ordinary people.  i only goes to prove that they wanted to live a normal life yet were forbidden to live the life they wanted, yet there were some who dared challenge a dynasty and follow their dreams.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Val289 on October 13, 2004, 09:20:20 PM
What a fun question, and what a tough one to answer!

I'd have to say that Olga N. has always appealed to me the most.  She was intelligent, thoughtful and seemingly in touch with reality.  She was also sensitive, and at times - moody - plus I always identify with her love of books.

Alix has a special place in my heart too.  I know she had her flaws but I also like to look upon her as a very loving wife and mother.    I've always admired the fact that she was herself, no matter what anyone thought of her.   She was shunned and disliked by many people, but I think that she did the best she could with what she had.  
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: gem_10 on October 14, 2004, 10:30:22 AM
Of course Ella is my favorite!  :) She's the loveliest woman ever! And then Maria Nikolaevna because she had a very sweet smile like her Aunt Ella, a very accomodating personality and a day-dreamer too who wants to have her own family someday. Actually that's also one of my biggest dreams in life so I somehow see my self in her. By the way, we have the same birthdays!  ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on October 15, 2004, 03:11:59 AM
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Grand Duchess Maria (I prefer to call her that tee hee)


What's funny about calling her Maria?  ???
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Michelle on October 15, 2004, 10:55:14 AM
Olga, I think what Evanescence means is that many people, books, etc. call her "Marie" and not "Maria."  Although I know there are many sources thatdocall her "Maria" as well.  And I recall sometime back that there was a distress, I guess you could say, over what her 'proper' name was here on the AP forum.  It's most likely lost in the millions of threads by now.  ::)  She was just spiting the people who call her "Marie."  And I must admit, Evanescence, I am guilty of that preference to call her "Maria" as well.  It's just prettier, and it sounds really cool with her other sisters names all ending in an 'a' as well.  :D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Karentje on October 15, 2004, 12:01:39 PM
My favourite Romanov - for now, because I'm still busy getting to know the family better- would have to be Michael Alexandrovich, Nicolas's brother. I think he was a sweet and wonderful man and I cannot think about the way he was killed without becoming incredibly sad. How awful that he wasn't given a chance to say goodbye to his friend who was also shot right then and there. Of course, NAOTMAA's fate was equally terrible and I adore them all too - who could not? - but I have a soft spot for Misha.

Karentje
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: ashanti01 on October 15, 2004, 01:04:30 PM
I think my favorite Romanov's are Ella, Alix, and Grand Duchess Marie...three tragic beauties
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olga on October 16, 2004, 12:45:15 AM
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And I recall sometime back that there was a distress, I guess you could say, over what her 'proper' name was here on the AP forum.


I think I may have been giulty of starting that one.  ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on October 16, 2004, 08:01:00 PM
 ;D My favorite Romanov is DEFINETLY the Tsarevich Alexei. ;D  Alexei's attitude and his ability to put up with his hemophilia was really admirable, and would have made a very fitting tsar.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: ptitchka on October 16, 2004, 11:16:41 PM
Great minds think alike.  And I in spite of a vain mind have expressed my high regard of Alexei Nikolaevich before on this thread...  and am always glad to see when others do.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Elisabeth on October 21, 2004, 10:35:22 AM
My favorite of the last imperial family is Olga Nikolaevna. I think there are a lot of us shy, bookish, easily irritated girls out there who identify with the eldest daughter of Nicholas II.

Of the Romanov rulers, I find Paul the most fascinating: his complex relationship with his domineering mother, Catherine the Great; his marriage to another strong personality, the first Maria Feodorovna; his sympathy for the peasantry, whose miserable lot he attempted to alleviate during his short reign; his seeming hatred towards and persecution of the nobility, which ultimately led to his murder; his admiration for Napoleon; his sense of chivalry; in short, his entire eccentric, headstrong, complicated personality.

Oddly enough, Paul had a very good, self-deprecating sense of humor. "You can't lead me by the nose," he once said, "because I don't have one."  
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Post by: Sarai on October 22, 2004, 02:28:45 PM
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My favourite Romanov - for now, because I'm still busy getting to know the family better- would have to be Michael Alexandrovich, Nicolas's brother. I think he was a sweet and wonderful man and I cannot think about the way he was killed without becoming incredibly sad. How awful that he wasn't given a chance to say goodbye to his friend who was also shot right then and there. Of course, NAOTMAA's fate was equally terrible and I adore them all too - who could not? - but I have a soft spot for Misha.


Outside of the NAOTMAA circle, Misha is also growing on me. I really feel for him and believe he had many positive qualities, which are often overshadowed due to his amorous "mistake." As far as looks go, he was a real "golden child," blond and angelic, and he grew into a very handsome man - in my opinion more handsome than his older brothers. His personality was also attractive. He seemed down to earth, friendlier, and more approachable than others in his family. Like his sister Olga, he didn't appear to me to be at all arrogant or condescending. He could also be very tenderhearted and romantic, judging from his letters to his wife. I realize that he could be quite immature and naive, but he was a sheltered young man who happened to fall in love with the "wrong" kinds of women and who had bad luck in love.

I know that his great fault, and what he is judged most harshly for, was falling in love with Natasha, but I admire him nonetheless for being a good husband and father and for being so deeply in love with her. She was very fortunate to have the love of such a man, and I think she could be quite cruel when she tried to make him jealous by speaking of other men's infatuations with her. Sometimes I find it hard to understand just what was so wrong with that love. Yes, I know that as possible heir to the throne he was duty-bound to marry equally and especially not a divorcee. But these rules seem unfairly restrictive and outdated, even at that time (this is a view expressed by a few books I have read). They were bound to cause problems as the marriage pool decreased and these sometimes unrealistically high standards remained.

I feel sorry that Michael was so shunned by his family and so harshly judged even today. The worst that could have happened was that a commoner and a divorcee could have become Tsarina, something unthinkable at the time but certainly at least progressive. However, I realize that his circle was very conservative and bound to follow proper social rules, and one has to think in the context of the times. But sometimes it's hard, especially when you think that nowadays royals marry commoners and it's no big deal. In summary, I like the man. I don't think what he did was such a big deal in the grand scheme of things - he rebelled and disobeyed, but it was for love, and I'm a stickler for that. ::) I am saddened that he had to die so young and that his only son was tragically killed and he has no direct descendants left in this world. And that his widow died in abject poverty and loneliness, and that his body has never been found and been put to rest in peace properly. Indeed, many sad things in the last years in the life of a man who began life as a family pet and a favourite of his mother's.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Karentje on October 22, 2004, 02:50:53 PM
Very well put, Sarai!!
I totally agree :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Alexandra on October 22, 2004, 05:00:17 PM
What an intriguing question! And here I sit, with three Romanov names to complicate my choice...[Katherine, Alexandra, and Marie]... .
While I have an intense interest, and almost rapport, with NAAOTMA, it's interesting how my response to them, AF parrticularly, has changed over the years. At one point, I identified with her; then I felt huge impatience; and, for some time now, the response has been a more balanced blend of understanding and compassion, but also a sense that while this is a person whom I should indeed like, I should also need a certain psychological distance to offset the fact that, however much I might like her,  there are areas in which her stubborness would compel some 'space and time' for those who did not always agree with her on issues important, or threatening, to her.

That said, I suppose the Romanov for whom I have a huge affection is Peter the Great - because my life partner is very much like him in restless curiosity, unbounded intelligence, a fascination with things  military, and impatience with stupidity and blind conservatism. I have just spotted a new book about Peter which claims, with much justification, that his was the real Russian revolution, for it was a revolution of attitude and culture - something which, as we suspected and now see, was not entirely true of the Soviet experiment, try though its proponents did to convince everybody to the contrary.

Last in this post, but never in my heart, is Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, for her love of animals and the beauty to be found in nature and the daily world. At present, I work in Toronto, very near the Church which she attended and from which her funeral Mass was held. It is now deconsecrated and serves as a small theater, but for me, something of its past clings to it - and I like to fancy that if I look quickly, I might catch a glimpse of the Grand Duchess trudging along the sidewalk in her comfortable old shoes and clothes ...

Alexandra
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: ChristineM on October 23, 2004, 07:48:55 AM
Dear Alexandra

How sad to learn of Olga Alexandrovna's church.   It is an interesting thought that just as fast as they are closing - desecrating - churches (certainly in the UK) turning them into housing/clubs/pubs/theatres and etc. - they are re-dedicating and re-opening them in Russia.  

Eighty years of religious repression and persecution have made people value, at least some elements, of what they lost.

tsaria

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Alexandra on October 24, 2004, 09:06:16 PM
Dear Tsaria,

Yes, I too regret the deconsecration of the Grand Duchess' Church. However - it may help a little to know that the congregation was able to move to larger premises, after several vicissitudes. So they do have a new home - but I wish the old one too could have been preserved as a place of prayer.

Best,

Katherine Alexandra M. Hines
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: ISteinke on October 28, 2004, 08:41:46 AM
My choice for a favorite Romanov is probably unique and a little odd, but here goes.

I have a deep and abiding love and respect for the memory of Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovich. By all acounts he moderate. He was a tremendous "listener." He was gentle. He was kind. He was forgiving. He stayed neutral in family quarrels and controversies. He loved people.

Grand Duke Pavel had a soft heart for anyone in his family- never fell out with any of them. Though high born he lived his life as an ordinary Christian man who was guided by his love for God and his regard for the most important people in his life.

Although he disagreed with the behavior of Nicholas and Alexandra, he remained their true friend and supporter- never betrayed anyone.

His moral life- He was faithful and loyal and loving in two very Christian marriages.

He seems, from the accounts I have read, to have done a remarkable job in raising Prince Vladimir Paley, his son from M. Pistolkors. Volodya, in fact, would be second choice for a favorite Romanov.

Of all the Romanovs, excepting even Nicholas, Paul had the best heart. He was just, truly, a good man.

I shall never forget reading the heartrending account of the final goodbye between he and his daughter Marie. His last words to her were to give to her brother, if she should ever see him again, the blessing of his father.

How sad that this remarkably sensitive, intelligent, loving man was a younger son, and thus never had the opportunity to influence Russia.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: tchalk729 on October 29, 2004, 09:55:50 PM
well that's easy. ANASTASIA of course. well because she's just the romanov that has always interested me. i like all of the rest of the family, but she's just seems to be like me. except i'm not royal and born into riches and shot to death in a small cramped room. :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 30, 2004, 11:50:15 AM
I have many favorites:

(1). The Tsarevitch Alexei Nikolaiovitch- He put up with his terrorble illness and hes a total babe! ::)

(2). Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaiovna-  Theres something about her.

(3). Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaiovna- Shes  a sweetheart. {as everyone says about her}

(4). Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaiovna- I love to read, and ever i read a book, it reminds me of her [i don't know why  ???. ]

(5). Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaiovna- I'm not thin as her. but i love fashion.

Many more,...but i don't wanna bore you.


Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: grandduchessella on October 30, 2004, 01:16:50 PM
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I have many favorites:

(1). The Tsarevitch Alexei Nikolaiovitch- He put up with his terrorble illness and hes a total babe! ::)

(2). Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaiovna-  Theres something about her.

(3). Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaiovna- Shes  a sweetheart. {as everyone says about her}

(4). Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaiovna- I love to read, and ever i read a book, it reminds me of her [i don't know why  ???. ]

(5). Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaiovna- I'm not thin as her. but i love fashion.

Many more,...but i don't wanna bore you.




In other words, OTMAA.  ;)  MN is definitely one of my favorites--my favorite amongst OTMAA for sure. ON was probably next. Ella of course.  :)  Mavra. Alexandra Iosifovna. Alexandra Georgiovna. Olga K.  There are others that I collect images of but wouldn't classify as 'favorites' just interests--Marie P Sr & Jr, MF, Xenia.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Eurohistory on October 30, 2004, 08:02:13 PM
1. KR (1858-1915)

2. Olga Konstantinovna (1851-1926)

3. Maria Alexandrovna (1853-1920)

4. Nicholas Alexandrovich (1843-1865)

5. Vladimir Paley (1897-1918)

6. Helen Wladimirovna (1882-1957)

7. Maria Nikolaievna (1819-1876)

8. Nicholas Mikhailovich (1859-1919)

9. Anastasia Mikhailovna (1860-1922)

10. Olga Alexandrovna (1884-1960)

Arturo Beéche



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Post by: Olga on October 31, 2004, 01:33:14 AM
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......and hes a total babe! ::)


*Olga crouches in the corner and whimpers*
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 31, 2004, 10:43:52 AM
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*Olga crouches in the corner and whimpers*


Olga, why you're crying??  :-[   Alexei Just cute.
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Post by: Dashkova on October 31, 2004, 10:48:35 AM
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Olga, why you're crying??  :-[   Alexei Just cute.


I'll make a somewhat educated guess (but Olga, correct me if I'm wrong) and say that Olga's reaction may be related to the constant coping with the "I 'heart' Nicky, Alexei, Alix, Maria" (untold others, just fill in as it applies) crowd.
~~sigh~~
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: grandduchessella on October 31, 2004, 10:57:54 AM
Maybe it could be made into a movie ala the new one here in the US, I 'Heart' Huckabees. (It actually IS pronounced that way even though it has the heart as it's symbol.)  :) Oh, I and I want to add Anastasia Mikhailovna as a fave too--I can't believe I forgot her when I had put up a thread about her once.  :-[
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Post by: Jane on October 31, 2004, 03:35:24 PM
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Maybe it could be made into a movie ala the new one here in the US, I 'Heart' Huckabees.


Nice one.  

In reponse to the topic?

1. Olga Nikolaievna--out of the last IF, I find her most compelling.  She was far more intellectual and perceptive than both of her parents, which is all the more impressive when you consider the atmosphere she was raised in.  She was emotional, intelligent, and moody, and had she lived her natural life, I think she would have become of woman of great distinction.

2. Olga Konstantinovna--she carried her dolls with her to Greece when she married, and through the many years of upheaval, managed to remain the sole member of the Greek royal family who was admired by all the various political factions in Greece.

3. Michael Aleksandrovich--for all the reasons stated by Penny and Sarai and Karentje.  I think he was greatly underestimated.

4. K.R and his family--the most cultured, artistic and literary branch of the family.  And what a terrible price they paid.  So many lives lost.

My interest in the first Nicholas (Pavlovich) and Alexandra grows.  I find myself becoming far more interested in the facets of their personalities.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: James1941 on October 31, 2004, 03:45:30 PM
I should like to nominate the late Paul Romanovsky-Iylinsky. He was the son of GD Dimitri Pavlovich and his morganatic wife Audrey Emery. By most accounts he was a gracious, charming and intelligent man. He was respected by his neighbors, and was elected mayor of Palm Beach six times (I think).
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Post by: pushkina on October 31, 2004, 10:34:16 PM
my favorite is michael alexandrovich, floppy.

i think that he began life as quite a spoiled boy but as he grew older, he did what folks do naturally through life, he developed a character. he tried to warn nicky, who of course, wouldn't have a bar of it.

by the time of the revolution, i think that he was a man of proven courage; he led his troops bravely during WWI.  he had learned some of life's lessons and i think that he woudl have made a great tsar, had he the chance.  the PG did not support him; they couldn't support themselves.

i was always charmed that he married for love and that he had to struggle for his life with natalya.  they seemed to be good for each other.

i always felt that his loss was worst of all.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Sarai on November 01, 2004, 08:26:59 AM
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My interest in the first Nicholas (Pavlovich) and Alexandra grows.  I find myself becoming far more interested in the facets of their personalities.


I agree that they were a very interesting couple, and I have a growing interest in them as well. From all I have read, they had a love affair as passionate and intense as the second Nicholas & Alexandra. They lived for each other and for their children, but aside from that were very different personality-wise than their later namesakes. Nicholas I was very strong and tough, some would even say brutal and cruel at times, and his wife was everyone's favourite, a woman beloved by all who could "do no wrong," as I have read.
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Post by: Sarai on November 01, 2004, 10:09:46 AM
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my favorite is michael alexandrovich, floppy.

i think that he began life as quite a spoiled boy but as he grew older, he did what folks do naturally through life, he developed a character. he tried to warn nicky, who of course, wouldn't have a bar of it.

by the time of the revolution, i think that he was a man of proven courage; he led his troops bravely during WWI.  he had learned some of life's lessons and i think that he woudl have made a great tsar, had he the chance.  the PG did not support him; they couldn't support themselves.

i was always charmed that he married for love and that he had to struggle for his life with natalya.  they seemed to be good for each other.

i always felt that his loss was worst of all.


What a nice assessment of Michael! Another thing I like about him, which I think shows a lot of maturity and strength of character on his part, is that, realizing that the days of autocratic rule were over, he offered to be the leader only of an assembly elected by the people. You can read in his biography on the main AP site that he proclaimed "I have firmly decided that I will accept power only if that is the will of our great people, who must by universal suffrage elect their representatives to the Constituent Assembly representative government." It is said he would have made a very good constitutional monarch. I think he was thus more progressive and open minded than his brother, and he matured a great deal from his days as a fun-loving flirt.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Tatiana02 on November 15, 2004, 06:27:34 AM
Grand Duchess Tatiana all the way. She was a little bit of a "mama's" girl ( If there is such a thing)  And, even though there are things known about her I think she kept some of herself hidden. :)
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Post by: Olga on November 15, 2004, 06:38:13 PM
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And, even though there are things known about her I think she kept some of herself hidden. :)


Most defintely. The 'Enigmatic Tatiana'.  :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: BattleAngel on November 26, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
I'm sorry but the compulsion is just too much for me.

I "Heart" Misha

He just seems like a really decent sort for all of the reasons mentioned in previous posts.

Mary
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Nathan_Davis on November 26, 2004, 02:33:55 PM
Ah...the first post....

Books on Anastasia and the various claimants first kindled my interest in the Imperial Family, but, over time, I have grown fondest of dear Alexei.  :)

Regards,

Nathan
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Post by: Maria_Romanov_fan on November 26, 2004, 03:42:38 PM
Maria. She is so mysterious. Her life, the countries first dissapointment (not a tsarvitch), and always being 2nd to her sisters in every catogory.
But OTMA all do have different characteristics that I like in them.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Tsaritsa on November 28, 2004, 10:47:12 PM
Sandro and KR.

After reading A Lifelong Passion I became fascinated with these Grand Dukes.  

I would love to have known both of these men.  They seemed so genuine.  
Title: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Romanov_Fan_NAOTMA on April 23, 2005, 07:26:56 PM
My Favorite Romanov is Anastasia and Alexi because they both died at very young ages (supposedly). :'( And if you could paste a link to a picture but It's your choice here's my pic. http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/48.jpg
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 23, 2005, 07:33:38 PM
That's a very cute picture of Anastasia and Alexei!
I really can't choose, but if I must, it would be Olga Nicholaievna, for many reasons. Maria Nicholaievna second!  ;)

http://img205.echo.cx/img205/7772/1914olga50lu.jpg

Annie
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Shvibzik on April 23, 2005, 09:04:20 PM
I bet you can guess mine. ;D  Anastasia, of course.  She's my favorite because she had such a spunky personality and outgoingness that just made her so unique.  Maria is my second, then Olga, because she's a lot like me. 8)  

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Otmafan1/ondeck.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Romanov_Fan_NAOTMA on April 23, 2005, 09:20:19 PM
My Favorite Romanovs like I said are Anastasia, Maria and Alexis because they all (supposedly) died before they were twenty and Alexi(supposedly) died at 13
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: RussiaSunbeam1918 on April 23, 2005, 09:25:03 PM
I love Alexei SOOO much, but most of you know I'm crazy about him, lol.  ;D I am not sure why he's my favorite, I was just always drawn to him more than others, I think. I think it's also in some ways he reminds me a little of me, and in other ways, I wish I was more like him.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Romanov_Fan_NAOTMA on April 23, 2005, 09:27:15 PM
You have some great pics of Alexi and he is one of my faves
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: GD Alexandra on April 23, 2005, 09:51:53 PM
If I have to choose I'll say my favorite Romanov are: Marie, Anastasia, Alexei, too. Also, little Olga Alexandrovna.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Alexanastasia/NastyaAlyosha.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Alexanastasia/XeniaOlgaA.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: RussiaSunbeam1918 on April 23, 2005, 10:17:24 PM
Awww, that is my ABSOLUTE favorite picture of Alexei and Anastasia, you can see the love, especially with Alyosha, he looks so trusting.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: GD Alexandra on April 24, 2005, 12:03:01 AM
I love that pic too!!! love when the "little Romanovs" show how much they loved each other, in the photos  :)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: lexi4 on April 24, 2005, 01:41:43 AM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/lexi4/maria.jpg)
This was done by another palace member, Lanie.
Marie was my favorite. She was full of spirit.
oops. My apologies Bob. It is good work.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Lanie on April 24, 2005, 06:21:53 PM
It was colored by Bob Atchison, not me. :)

I do believe there are other threads on this topic, so please before you start a topic remember to see if it's been written about before!  It clutters up the boards.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Vera_Figner on April 27, 2005, 04:25:24 PM
Bringing this back on topic:

My answer is Peter I, for all his faults, he was really the only Romanov who amounted to much.

On something of a tangent, my favorite Russian ruler has to be Olga, Igor's wife.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Katharine on April 28, 2005, 04:24:05 AM
As I just mentioned in a PM, I don't really have a favourite. It feels too weird to choose between them - does that make sense?

But I've always felt an affinity moreso to Marie, Anastasia and Alexei. I think because they were the youngest, and so their deaths were all the more tragic. And I think there are many traits in the three of them that I always identified with.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Olga on April 28, 2005, 08:40:50 AM
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On something of a tangent, my favorite Russian ruler has to be Olga, Igor's wife.


Olga of Kiev is my namesake. Vera, do you know what her patronymic was?
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Vera_Figner on April 28, 2005, 09:09:39 AM
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Olga of Kiev is my namesake. Vera, do you know what her patronymic was?



Good question! I really don't know. It is perhaps recorded in the chronicles, I will try to look later, or perhaps you will have a chance before I do.

Major  crunch time for me this week, so I apologize for not being able to look into it at the moment!

Let me know if you find out!
She was simply the most remarkable woman in Russian, or even world history.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Olga on April 28, 2005, 09:22:32 AM
I agree, she is most fascinating. Don't you just love the story about her revenge on the Drevlians? One of my favourite historical figures.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: ferngully on April 28, 2005, 09:33:30 AM
i'm afraid i don't know anything about her, please enlighten me
selina             xxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: ferngully on April 28, 2005, 09:35:43 AM
mine is olga nicholaivena becuase she and i are quite similar in charachter :)
selina            xxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Dasha on April 28, 2005, 06:12:54 PM
Ol'ga Rodionovna, can you tell me by any chance to whom Ol'ga of Kiev was married to?  I have a book on Russian succession and it has family tries that go back to Rurik I.  I'm not sure that it's far enough, but perhaps she's listed somewhere there.  If that's the case, I'll look up her patronymic for you.  I just need to know the name of her husband or if she was born to one of the Keivan Princes, her father's name would be of help as well.  

I hope I can be of some help to you.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Olga on April 28, 2005, 07:14:11 PM
Dasha, she was married to Igor Ryurikovich of Kiev.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Dasha on April 28, 2005, 07:33:55 PM
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Dasha, she was married to Igor Ryurikovich of Kiev.


She is indeed listed in my book, unfortunately though it doesn't tell her patronymic.  All it says in regard to her is that she lived near present-day Pskov prior to her marriage.  She bore Igor one son, named Sviatoslav.  The years of her life are 912-945.  I'm sure you already knew this, so I aplogize for bein redundant.  I'm sorry if I couldn't help you more.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: ilyala on May 07, 2005, 04:28:25 PM
i am new here, this is my first post, so i'd just like to say hi....

i find it interesting that out of all romanovs most people pick on nicholas' family... i find the others much more interesting...

like serge, he seems like an interesting person, a bit mysterious...

and then there's kyrill and his torrid love affair with ducky, he risked a lot for that and then he turned a  bit cold-hearted towards the end...

let's not forget catherine the great... although i'm not sure she counts as a romanov,  but she sure was interesting :)

then there was alexander 2nd, the liberator tsar who had such a tragic death (had he not cared for the people around him and went on with his journey, he might have lived a bit more...) and he had the guts to actually marry a commoner...

...and the list goes on :)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Michelle on May 07, 2005, 08:54:43 PM
My favorite of course is Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna because I consider her the most beautiful and lovely young girl/lady I've ever seen (in pictures of course ;)).  And I also really am attracted to her passionate personality.  She's a very haunting figure.

http://groups.msn.com/ImperialDynastyTheROMANOVARCHIVES/olganikolaevna.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=625

Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Tsarevna_Olga on June 02, 2005, 09:45:20 AM
Mi favourites are absolutely Olga And Marie,because I Think that both are the most beatiful and quite,like me...then I like Nicola II,Anastasia,and tatiana!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Robby on August 09, 2005, 06:20:04 AM
Maria Nicholaevna romanov, is my favorite GD, because she was a nice person, i like nice persons, and just...Well my favorite!  :D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: granduchess_leah on August 11, 2005, 09:11:07 AM
anastaia is my Favorite Romanov cause of her peronaltiy and she was loads of fun  :) :D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Holly on August 11, 2005, 10:06:55 PM
Anastasia has always been my favorite. We have so much in common. When I made my dad read a biography of her I had to tell himin the end that it was about Anastasia and not me! ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: reashka on August 24, 2005, 08:06:21 PM
Tatiana Nikolaievna, why? i saw something peculiar about her but i cant figure it out, it's not only because of her religiousity, or her devotion to her family.
truly, very enigmatic.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 24, 2005, 08:53:10 PM
My favorite Romanov is Olga Nikolaievna. She had a short temper, just like me, and seemed the most human of her siblings.

My favorite Romanov who isn't a Romanov is Felix Yusupov. He makes me smile.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Marialana on August 24, 2005, 09:21:21 PM
Without a doubt, it's Alexandra Feodorovna. For whatever reason, I've always felt the most "kinship" with her, an understanding of her situation, personality, and worldview that makes me empathize with her the most. It may also stem from the fact that I tend to always defend the much-maligned people, and there aren't too many people in history more unjustly skewered as Alexandra as been, at least in my opinion.
Title: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Linnea on August 31, 2005, 04:07:47 PM
Hi! I would love to now your favourite German/Austrian royal from former times til this day! My faves are Marie Gabrielle in Bavaria, Margarete "Mossy" of Prussia and Eugen of Austria-Teschen (he was so good-looking!). And yours?
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 31, 2005, 04:13:17 PM
What a cool thread!  :)

Hmm . . . I'd have to go with:
1] Empress Maria Theresa - she had such character!
2] Sophie of Prussia, Queen of Greece - such a sad life, it's hard not to pity her . . .
3] Frederick III 'Fritz' of Germany - though occassionally weak willed and prone to depression, his heart was in the right place . . .
4] Margarete 'Mossy' of Prussia - she was so placid and never done anything to upset her mother.
5] Franz Josef I of Austria - another one I feel sorry for . . . he lived far too long, and his last years were very sad.

I would have included the Empress Frederick but I think she is regarded as an English royal (and no doubt she always considered herself as such!)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: HerrKaiser on August 31, 2005, 04:33:15 PM
Viktoria and Fritz are indeed my favorites, not only as German royals, but they rank on top of my list of royals throughout Europe and England. Vicky was 3/4 German in the first place and was in awe of her full-blooded German father. She was totally dedicated to Fritz and together they had great visions for the German Empire that focused on social improvements, democratic/parlimentary government, education, etc. All the good stuff. Fritz was truly a man's man. Together they were a most handsome couple, very intellectual, kind, understanding, and visionary. They rate high on all measurements! Thanks for the chance to rave on them once again!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: imperial angel on August 31, 2005, 06:01:20 PM
My favorite Romanov is Grand Duchess Marie, third daughter of Nicholas II.  She had the nicest personality, and was probably the easiest to get along, with of the four sisters. She was uncomplicated,and seems like she was a nice person who one would like to know. She probably woudn't have had a dramatic life if she had lived, unlike Olga or Tatiana. She always said that marriage and motherhood is what she wanted most. It is unfortunate that she never got much of a chance to make the world aware of her, unlike the Czar's other children. In their lifetimes, Olga and Tatiana were known as the eldest daughters of the Czar, who got some attention before World War I  shrouded them in. Tsarvitch Alexei was well known  because he was the heir. Anastasia had a personality that had a memorable effect on her contemporaries and on history.

But Grand Duchess Marie was often overlooked, being the Czar's third daughter, and not having a personality that made you notice her. But from accounts of her, it seems she was the one who would have been the best to know.Also, she was probably the most beautiful of the sisters, at least according to modern standards of beauty. She a lovely face, and those wide open eyes that speak across the years. Tatiana was an exoctic beauty, but Marie had that Princess Diana kind of beauty, that just grabs the camera. I have always thought  her face resembled Tsarina Alexandra, and the English side of the Family. Her coloring and build was more like the Russian side. Grand Duchess Marie was, by all acounts, the nicest of the sisters-an angel.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: lovy on December 21, 2005, 05:18:04 PM
My favourite is definitely Olga Nikolaievna! I find her most prettiest (though that's not why I like her) and the kindest. She had a compassionate heart and desire to help others. She also read a lot. I would say she's the most like me.

GO OLGA !!!!!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: PssMarieAmelie on December 21, 2005, 05:25:11 PM
My favourite Romanov would have to be Olga Nikolaevna out of NAOTMAA, then Maria Feodorovna and then Olga Aleksandrovna.


Olga because I can relate as to what she went through in the war years.


Maria Feodorovna for being a great empress and a good wife.


Olga Aleksandrovna for actually getting on with her life after the Revolution, unlike others... ::)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Margarita Markovna on December 21, 2005, 05:31:02 PM
Not that they had MUCH of a choice...;)  :(
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on January 04, 2006, 09:44:45 PM
For me, the choice must be obvious because of most of my postings: Grand Duchess Ksenia (Xenia). My reasons are simply the fact that I can relate the most to her. Ksenia Aleksandrovna and I have so many things in common, and that draws me to her in a way--it's always nice to find someone like you, even if they are long-since passed away and I will never get to meet her. Yet I feel perhaps if we had known each other, we could have been very good friends. (And I love how she was so passionate with her husband in the early days, yet very refined, reserved, and proper. I can relate to that, also.)  ;)

What got me interested in researching her at first, I don't really know for sure. I was just drawn to her, and then when I found out how much we had in common, I became more drawn to her, as now. She was a very unique person, because her personality had a kind of duality to it that is rare in a person who is not split  ;). I have that same kind of duality. I am both passionate and impatient (as was she), as well as calm and serene (as was she). There are SO MANY things I could write, but I don't think anyone wants to read a book, so I'll just leave it at that... ;D
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: nene on January 06, 2006, 09:33:12 AM
My favorite Romanov is without doubt, Olga (Nicholas II's daughter). She and I have alot in common. We both love to read, we're both the eldest (I have cousins though), and we both have tempers. Another favorite is Maria; she is just so beautiful, her beauty is stunning. One thing we have in common is a love of drawing-except I'm right-handed. The last Romanov is Alexei. He is such a gentle love, a brave, caring and spirited beautiful child.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: leushino on January 06, 2006, 10:42:05 AM
Alexander II without a doubt. He was a man of foresight and action. Those who came afterwards simply hastened the demise of the dynasty, lacking his vision and determination. The "children" were just that... children. I can't identify with children since they tragically had no time to develop their potential and make some noteworthy achievement. And I certainly would not choose someone simply based upon his or her appearance but then, we're all different. I believe if Alexander II had lived and been given that chance to free the serfs, he might possibly have allowed a functioning Duma and been willing to reliquish some of his autocratic powers. This would undoubtedly have delayed (and possibly prevented) the revolution and the resultant aftermath of the slaughter of untold millions of Russians during the Communist bloodbath. Much of the responsibility for that bloodbath must be placed at the feet of the ineffectual Nicholas and his meddling wife. I feel sorry that the children were simply herded into that basement room and slaughtered, whereas Nicholas and Alexandra no doubt should have been brought to trial.

By far... Alexander II was the best Romanov. (IMHO)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Holly on January 06, 2006, 11:35:46 AM
Anastasia, because I can relate to her and we are so much alike. Also she is a very interesting person.
Olga, because she is just like one of us. She went through so much but her devotion to Christ never seemed to waver. She is someone to aspire to be like.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Robby on January 06, 2006, 11:51:15 AM
Mashka, because she was so sweet and beautiful.
I also had something for Mashka, and now she is my favorite, my next favorite is Olga.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on January 06, 2006, 02:24:46 PM
Alexei is my favorite because  we have alot in common  as far as our health   he with Hemophilia  myself with Spina Bifida   I Take courage from him and the way that he lived :)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Joy0318 on January 06, 2006, 05:02:40 PM
My favorite is Olga Nicolaievna. I think she was a very beautiful young lady and has a personality similar to mine. When I was a kid I liked Anastasia most of all since we were both  tomboys and loved playing tricks on our siblings. ;) Now I am more like Olga although occasionally I still act a bit like Anastasia.


My second favorite is Alexei Nicholaievich.  He was so brave for one so young.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Maj. Jesse Cairns on January 13, 2006, 10:13:33 AM
Oy,  RussiaSunbeam1918 ;

Maj. Jesse Carnes here.  I wanted to  send you a reply
to something you said, but I wanted to write to you
personally, rather than to the entire list.   When I simply attempted to reply, I was cyber-told that I had to set up a mailing accout.  WHY?   I have 4 email addresses and would rather not set up another.
My email is   narniacairparavel@yahoo.co.uk
How does one reply to people privately other than procuring each other's email address?

warmly and cheers now mon ami  ;

--Jesse



Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: lovy on January 17, 2006, 08:45:28 PM
my favourte ... olga!! gorgeous with a compassionate heart and desire to help others. though marie was an angel!! ;)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: granduchess_leah on February 01, 2006, 03:01:36 AM
my  Favorite is anastasia(nastya)cause of her personalliity and her energy . :) ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: lumpi on February 06, 2006, 04:43:37 PM
Since 1982 or 83 I'm interested in the Romanov Dynasty,
especially I like Aleksei N, I don't know why but maybe
because of his tragic destiny and his lovely face? For me
he was mysterious for long time.

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Joy0318 on February 07, 2006, 08:57:02 AM
I've always liked both Alexei and Olga most. Olga because I'm a lot like her in personality (thought when I was younger I was most like Anastasia) and that I LOVE to read books and write. I've always admired Alexei because it seems he tried so hard to be a normal child despite his illness. Whenever I look at a picture of  Alyosha  there's just something about his sweet innocent face that makes me think of an angel. I know he wasn't perfect and that he did have his naughty moments but what child doesn't?

As for the lesser Romanovs I've always liked Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich. Why? Maybe because he was an accomplished horseman or perhaps because he was just  very handsome. ;)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on February 14, 2006, 09:43:51 AM
my favourite is anastasia cause of her personallty and cause she was fun   :) ;) :D ;D ::) :P
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: russianlover76 on February 14, 2006, 08:38:40 PM
My favorite Romanov is Olga because she had been though alot for someone who die at a young age.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: grapecrushers90210 on March 02, 2006, 08:43:17 PM
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Alexanastasia/NastyaAlyosha.jpg)


"A picture is worth a thousand words"

They are so adorable together. I wish my little brother loved me that much!

My favourite Romanov would have to be Maria because she is so pretty!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: imperial angel on March 03, 2006, 08:55:14 AM
My favourite Romanov is Marie as well, for lots of different reasons! I am not sure if I posted all those reasons on this thread, or on another one.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: lovy on March 06, 2006, 04:04:32 AM
Hmm, I think I'll change my fave Romanov to GD Maria Nikolaevna. I have the most in common with her (after I did a quiz), very pretty, always smiled and very sweet!!!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Mashka_Angel on March 07, 2006, 11:39:28 PM
My favourite is so Marie (of course)! LOL.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: hg123 on March 23, 2006, 04:26:58 AM
From what I've read about them, the one I admire the most is Olga Alexandrovna, the Tsar's sister. What I find most admirable is, that despite her upbringing, she did not seem to have much problems with dealing with "normal" life, at least compared to other family members. She lived nearly as a peasant in Siberia and later as a normal woman in Canada.  

I also cannot deny to find Felix Yussupov pretty fascinating. Yes, he was involved in a murder plot, but since probably half the royalty was, maybe even the nun Ella, I think this doesn't make him worse than the rest of the family either.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Nadia on March 25, 2006, 07:48:37 PM
Who's my favourite Romanov??? OLGA, OF COURSE!!! She was SOOO kind and did much for others. When she became a nurse for WWI, she hated to see all the gore, but she was brave and did her job! Olga didn't deserve to die the way she did (NONE of them did!), and it's shocking when you hear how old she was when she was horribly murdered  :'( for a girl so pretty and kind. Olga always did her best to help others. She was also the prettiest of all the Romanovs, to my mind. And frankly, I find her one - or perhaps even MOST, prettiest girls in the world!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 26, 2006, 01:35:39 PM
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I have many favorites:

(1). The Tsarevitch Alexei Nikolaiovitch- He put up with his terrorble illness and hes a total babe! ::)

(2). Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaiovna-  Theres something about her.

(3). Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaiovna- Shes  a sweetheart. {as everyone says about her}

(4). Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaiovna- I love to read, and ever i read a book, it reminds me of her [i don't know why  ???. ]

(5). Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaiovna- I'm not thin as her. but i love fashion.

Many more,...but i don't wanna bore you.


OMG, this is two years old, I write this when i was 14, LOL :P. it different now, I'll post it later.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: MTOA on April 01, 2006, 08:17:14 AM
Who is your favourite/least favourite GD and why? My favourite is MArie, for she was simple, beautiful and so kind and gracious. Least favourite: i dont really have a least favourite, but at the end of the scale it probably is Nastya. What about you guys?
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on April 01, 2006, 11:30:02 AM
 :-? it this ment to be in having fun page >>>  :P
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on April 01, 2006, 11:38:46 AM
well anyways  My favourite is anastasia because She was said to be a tomboy and very intelligent, to have been comically good at impersonations and to possess a sharp wit and appreciation for sarcastic jokes, although she was never interested in the restrictions of school.  :P ::) sorta like me lol  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Nadia on April 01, 2006, 05:35:13 PM
First of all, this is meant to be in the 'Having Fun' category, but anyways...
I love all of OTMA with all my heart, but my favourite is most definitely is Olga. To my mind, she was the prettiest of the sisters, always trying her best to help others. I also love Maria, because she was pretty, constantly smiling and very sweet. Tatiana, I find, always took care of her family. And Anastasia because she is very funny and I have a good connection to her.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Ortino on April 01, 2006, 06:53:14 PM
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Who is your favourite/least favourite GD and why? My favourite is MArie, for she was simple, beautiful and so kind and gracious. Least favourite: i dont really have a least favourite, but at the end of the scale it probably is Nastya. What about you guys?

This question has been asked to death. Even though tons of threads already exist on this topic, this should have been created in the Having Fun section as Nadia pointed out.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on April 02, 2006, 03:47:39 AM
iagree it should of been put i nhaving fun ,,dont worry i do this all the time  ;D
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: MTOA on April 02, 2006, 04:00:29 AM
how do you move it?
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Galactic_Misfit on April 02, 2006, 12:39:15 PM
one of the moderators has to move it for you.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: imperial angel on April 02, 2006, 07:39:39 PM
My favourite is Marie because she was open hearted, kind, gracious, sweet, easy to get on with, and very personable, and all accounts of her say this, and she was something of an angel. She was also a young, innocent Rusian beauty, who had definite abilities in relating to people, and who cared for children. She was a romantic, and a flirt in a nice way. My disfavourite? Well, I admire all of otma for different reasons, although perhaps Tatiana is the hardest to relate to for me. And great question, but I suppose this belongs in having fun. ;)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: KarlandZita on April 03, 2006, 11:12:30 AM
My favourite GD is Tatiana because she was very beautiful, elegant and gracious and she had an interesting personality with a lot of intelligence, energy and independance. It's difficult for me to design my least favourite because I like all the GD... Perhaps Anastasia, too turbulent and childish.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Margarita Markovna on April 03, 2006, 06:27:59 PM
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iagree it should of been put i nhaving fun ,,dont worry i do this all the time  ;D
I wouldn't consider it something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: imperial angel on April 05, 2006, 10:08:16 AM
I actually think this subject does have some worth, that it's not wholly silly. There is a difference between this, and polls of hair colour for example. ;)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: RealAnastasia on April 05, 2006, 07:31:44 PM
I wrote many times about this subject, but I like to said that my favorite one is actually Olga Nicholaievna. The reasons? She likes to read, like me, she was very sensitive and religious, like me...and even if she could have been very merry, she also had her very bad days...LIKE ME too... ;D And I almost forgot about it...She was very elegant, but she didn't want to dress in elegant dresses for she wasn't at her ease wearing them...Like me too. ;)

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Ivan Komarov on April 06, 2006, 04:40:13 PM
Hmm...favourite GD, huh?

Well, I'd have to say Marie, just because...um...I don't know why.  All I can say is that she's really beautiful and I guess just as interesting, if not moreso, than the obviously most famous, Anastasia Nikolaevna.  ;)

And as for my least favourite?  Well, let's just say I pay so much attention to Marie I kinda don't know enough about the others to dislike them for.  All in all it works out.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Georgiy on April 06, 2006, 10:32:12 PM
Where is Laura Mabee's dancing "Padlock" sign? We really can do without this thread!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Ivan Komarov on April 06, 2006, 11:50:01 PM
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Where is Laura Mabee's dancing "Padlock" sign? We really can do without this thread!
Georgiy, as little as I care about whether or not this thread exists, I'd have to agree with you.  There's an identical board in "Having Fun", can't remember the exact name but it's something to do with favourite member of OTMA or something like that.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Laura Mabee on April 07, 2006, 10:02:53 AM
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Where is Laura Mabee's dancing "Padlock" sign? We really can do without this thread!
As requested ;)

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Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Margarita Markovna on April 07, 2006, 08:58:33 PM
Encore! (I love that little lock)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on April 11, 2006, 09:04:25 PM
Since this board will probably end up locked, I'll give my opinion.  ;D

My favorite is Olga, because I can identify the most with her. My least favorite, even though I like her too, is Anastasia. She seemed like a brat.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: nene on April 17, 2006, 07:35:21 PM
For me, it's between Olga and Maria.  But if I had to pick a definite choice right now, it would definitely be Olga.  We have alot in common. We're the eldest (only I have cousins, not siblings), we both love to read, and we both have tempers. Maria is a close second. My least favorite would have to be Anastasia. I just can't relate to her at all. The only reason why she's so famous is because of Anna Anderson (sorry if I swayed a bit off topic here).
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Amelie on April 17, 2006, 10:14:21 PM
You people have been going on about this topic being in the wrong category for more than a page....if you don't want to answer it, you don't have to.  [smiley=tongue.gif]

As for me, it is an absolute tie between Maria and Tatiana.  Maria is the humble beauty, somewhat of a clumsy angel that I strive to be like but can never quite get to her standards.  Tatiana is the one I can most relate too.  In modern times, not many people would say Tatiana is their favorite. I wonder why this is so...as for me she holds a special charm. It attracts people to her, as well it has attracted me.

 Anastasia I can't really relate to.  Don't be mad and contradicting...but it seems to me her glory has been fabricated a bit.  Was she really as great as people make her out before the whole world knew her story?  I read somewhere that secretly, the people that knew her tended to think she was, in so many words, a brat.  I don't know about this, but some of the things that people write about to glorify her seem to come off a bit odd.  Don't get me wrong, though, I love them all!!
XOXO~ :)
         Amelie
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Princess_Olishka on April 18, 2006, 03:28:42 AM
Olga is a top role-mode!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Princess_Olishka on April 18, 2006, 03:50:53 AM
Olga Olga Olga!!! A great role-model for everyone and absolutely gorgeous!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: otma_duchess_3 on May 03, 2006, 04:58:35 PM
olga and marie hand's down .....but i all so like Tatiana and Anastasia but i think im more olga and marie  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: otma_duchess_3 on May 03, 2006, 05:00:06 PM
ok i mabe i when a bit too crazy with  the smilies  :-/
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Tania+ on May 06, 2006, 04:16:29 PM
 [size=9];) Dear MTOA,

I think it is only fair when one posts this type of question on these threads, to open it by stating,
'based on what we have read from others on the life of ....whomever it is', then ask 'who is your favoritie, least favorite GD, or whomever. It only stands to reason to offer this to readers who enter into this dialogue, because, after all, our suppositions are based on what others have stated over 75 years ago, or written in books. Thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts.

Tatiana+[/size]
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: imperial angel on May 11, 2006, 10:42:20 AM
This is a great idea for a thread! Mine are Eisabeth of Austria ( So many reasons), Victoria Moretta of Prussia, Princess of Schaumberg-Lippe ( she is under rated, a tragic woman, and she was striking in looks and personality), and the family of Elisabeth of Austria, and also the family ( children) of Vicky and Fritz.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Agneschen on May 11, 2006, 11:33:58 AM
As far as German royalty goes, definitely King Ludwig II of Bavaria ! I think he is my favourite royals whatever the country / era. I find him absolutely haunting. The man was unhappy at heart. He tried to escape a world which disappointed him by creating his own inner universe. There he got caught and could never find the way out. His ex-fiancée Duchess Sophie-Charlotte was another tragic figure whom I like very much.
My favourite Austrian royal is Karl I (one of the noblest of men IMO) but I also like Kaiser Franz Josef : whatever his shortcomings may have been, there is no denying that he was a painstaking man, devoted to his empire & subjects.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: imperial angel on May 11, 2006, 11:40:38 AM
Yes, when I said that the family of Elisabeth of Baveria was one of my favourites, I meant that her children, etc, were my favourites not the Baverian royals, who were interesting, but who I know little about.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Marc on May 11, 2006, 12:33:45 PM
Hmmm,my favorite is Grand Duchess Augusta Caroline von Mecklenburg-Strelitz because of her strict views and of course her humour which could be read in her letters to her niece...
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 11, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Oh Linnea, what a charming  ;) idea ...

My favourite royals are

1) Sophie Charlotte d'Alencon, née Duchess in Bavaria
2) Marie Queen of Naples, née Duchess in Bavaria
3) Marie Gabrielle Princess of Bavaria, née Duchess in Bavaria
4) Maria Annunziata Archduchess of Austria, née Princess of Naples
5) Marie José Duchess in Bavaria, née Infanta of Portugal
6) Sophie Archduchess of Austria, née Princess of Bavaria
7) Louise Crownprincess of Saxony, née Princess of Tuscany
. . .

What a boring Bavarian list ...  ::)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Agneschen on May 12, 2006, 09:45:47 AM
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6) Sophie Archduchess of Austria, née Princess of Bavaria
O yes, I must add her to my list. She is one of my favourite royals as well. I think she was a strong, courageous, determined & most clever woman. I feel the greatest admiration for her.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: grandduchessella on May 12, 2006, 05:03:09 PM
Mine are German only:

1. Ella, naturally
2. Empress Fredrick (my 2nd favorite royal period)

after that, in no particular order

3. CPss Cecile
4. Princess Marie-Gabrielle & her successor Antonia
5. Princess Victoria Louise
6. Queen Sophie of Greece (nee Prussia) & her sister Moretta
7. Princess Irene of Prussia
8. Victoria Battenberg
9. Queen Alexandrine of Denmark (nee Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
10. GDss Anastasia of Mecklenburg-Schwerin

I'm sure I've forgotten someone totally obvious but that's it for now.  :)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: VN on May 17, 2006, 09:30:15 AM
Maybe I should put this in the Hessen-Darmstadt thread......
My heart goes out to the Battenbergs and Hessen-Darmstadt

Most favorite

Marie von Erbach-Schönberg I like very much

Alexander (Sandro) and his wife Johanna von Hartenau

Julie von Battenberg and Alexander von Hessen

Victoria & Ludwig Battenberg


Hessen-Darmstadt:

Princess Margaret and her Husband Ludwig. I don't know to much about them, but what I know and read (poems of Lu) I really like.

Also Ernst-Ludwig and Eleonore

Austrian and Bavarian...sorry,....don't know much :
Karl-Theodor Sissis older brother, being a famost oculist and at least doing something with his life. Empress Elisabeth ..........  :-/. To much horses and cow travelling. Actually a very tragic figure, I don't think she was happy.

And interesting, because he had an earring, Max I Joseph von Bayern. Why did he wear a earring in his right ear?? Does anyone know???

Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Silja on May 17, 2006, 12:20:37 PM
Archduchess Sophie of Austria
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Paola on May 18, 2006, 03:16:16 AM
My favourite are:

Empress Frederick
Empress Elisabeth of Austria
Queen Marie of Naples
Crown Princess Louise of Saxony
Grand Duchess Anastasia Mecklenburg Schwerin


Strong willed women  who lived ahead of their time.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Emilia on May 23, 2006, 01:20:14 PM
my faves:

- Crown Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria
- Crown Princess Antonia of Bavaria, née of Luxemburg
- Crown Princess Cecilie of Prussia, née of Mecklenburg-Schwerin
- Queen Luise of Prussia, née Princess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz
- Queen Friederike of Bavaria, née Princess of Baden
and many many more... :)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: grandduchessella on May 24, 2006, 07:19:55 PM
Linnea and Emilia aren't here anymore?  :-/ They always provided some much help on Bavaria and Austria.  :(
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 24, 2006, 09:54:48 PM
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My heart goes out to the Battenbergs

Marie von Erbach-Schönberg I like very much

Alexander (Sandro) and his wife Johanna von Hartenau

Julie von Battenberg and Alexander von Hessen

Victoria & Ludwig Battenberg



I love the Battenbergs, too, they are one of my favorite families, especially VMH and Louis and all of their family.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Laura_ on May 25, 2006, 01:54:57 AM
my alltime favourite is Sissi :)


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Linnea and Emilia aren't here anymore?  :-/ They always provided some much help on Bavaria and Austria.  :(

i was wondering about this too  :-/ hope they come back ...  :(
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Duchess-Vicky on May 25, 2006, 03:02:47 AM
My favourite German/Austria Royal's are:

-Victoria Louise of Prussia
-Empress Frederick of Prussia
-Victoria of Battenberg
-Elisabeth of Austria (daughter of Marie Valérie)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 25, 2006, 07:50:24 AM
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Empress Elisabeth . Actually a very tragic figure, I don't think she was happy.



So true, I agree.  Sissi could have been one of the strongest characters of her age, but really was so pitiable.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: KarlandZita on May 28, 2006, 09:49:43 AM
My favourite German/Austrian Royals are :

1°) Empress Zita and Emperor Karl, of course

2°) Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia

3°) Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse, a so seductive man !

4°) Archiduchess Elisabeth Franzisca " Ella " of Austria
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 04, 2006, 03:55:59 PM
They are all favorites to me!  Their personalities, beauty and charm is something that is rare these days ;) 8-)
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on June 04, 2006, 06:41:10 PM
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Olga Olga Olga!!! A great role-model for everyone and absolutely gorgeous!

I couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: hollyclara on June 15, 2006, 08:19:13 PM
My favorite is Ludwig II of Bavaria, the Dream King.  Tall dark and handsome, and such a tragic death at such a young age.  We still have his fairy-tale castles to remember him by.  
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: TheAce1918 on July 02, 2006, 03:17:33 PM
God above I hate these questions.  Its so hard to choose ;D  

And honestly, I don't have a favorite.  I love and respect them all.  
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Princess_Olishka on July 02, 2006, 06:50:09 PM
Though I adore them all, my favourite Romanov is definitely Olga. She was the most understanding of the Romanovs, devoted, kind, intelligent, immensely devoted to God and wanted to know more about the world not inside the palace gates - meaning that she loved her country and would do anything to help them - just like how she did with the girl with the crutches. Olga is also a girl that I (and I can tell a lot of us, too) relate to, such as that we both love to read and can be very moody. I mean to say by all this that she was beautiful on the inside, and, of course, on the outside, too.  ;)I just love her.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on July 06, 2006, 10:44:13 AM
Anastasia , because I can relate to her a lot and we are so very much alike. Also she is a very interesting person and great fun ..and maria cause she wanted to have children but never got the chance
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Dixie-Joy on September 15, 2006, 07:04:06 PM
My favorite: well it's a toss up between Olga and Anastasia because they are the most like me in personality. As a kid I was a real tomboy who liked to climb trees and play jokes on my siblings.  But now that I am older I have a lot of Olga in me too. I love to read books and can be very moody at times.

I don't have a least favorite GD.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Holly on September 22, 2006, 09:56:11 AM
I don't have a least favorite either, because I love them all very much. Each of them has a special place with me.

Anastasia will always be my most favorite though, for many reasons. We are a lot alike and for some reason I've always been drawn to her. Not many people will agree with me but I think she was so beautiful. Her face has always seemed so familiar to me I don't know why. I don't agree with what Amelie and Nene said about her. I think that she will always be the most famous of OTMA because she was so young when she died and she was very different from the others. Most people said that she had a wonderful personality. "For all her weaknesses you were bound to love this child, because you could not escape from her irresistible charm, made up of freshness, enjoyment of life, ingenuousness and simplicity." - Pierre Gilliard I think that quote speaks for itself.

Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: imperial angel on September 22, 2006, 10:05:11 AM
Anastasia did indeed have a wonderful personality, and you more than anyone describe it well. Thanks!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: granduchess_leah on October 09, 2006, 01:02:34 PM
i would have to agree with holly aswell  :) cause they are some of the same reasons for me aswell and she was the first one i found out about so maybe thats why but i like all of them i dont have any of them that are my least favourite
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: tatianolishka_ on October 09, 2006, 03:05:43 PM
Favourite Grand Duchess: Olga Nikolaevna

Why? Because she just seemed to be a very friendly person, very intelligent, And not the "Perfect" princess people sometimes imagine.

I also love Maria because I could see her as a terrific friend. Tatiana was just a little too much like her mom, and Anastasia far too energetic. I'm the second slowest runner in my family ;)

TatOlia
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: HRHPrincessCarrie on November 20, 2006, 04:59:47 PM
My favorite is Anastasia, because im a lot like her. And my least favorite it Tatiana because she seems to be a little bit stuck up
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on November 20, 2006, 05:40:09 PM
My favorite would have to be Marie and Anastasia, I'm alot like both of them. I would imagine Anastasia talking alot, and being outgoing, me and her pretty much have that in common, and Marie is sweet and angelic, and beautiful, she seems like someone I'd really want to get to know.

-Anya
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kaie Karadjordjevic on November 21, 2006, 12:46:11 PM
for me it would have to be tatiana for she seemed to distance herself, as i occasional do, without doing it on purpoes. a hard person to get to know but wonderful once you have broken through the barrier
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Rodney_G. on February 05, 2007, 05:37:34 PM


 In the fine tradition of bumping a thread... My favorite has somewhat evolved towards Olga N. after greater study, but it was originally, and still remains , Marie N.

  Sarai, Abby, and Imperial  Angel  said it really well. Marie may be the most beautiful girl  I'

ve ever or never seen. In that trite expression , beautiful on the inside as well as the outside. Even , or especially, her smile and sweetness in those photos as a young girl really strike me.
  Several anecdotes from her childhood reinforced this feeling. Like, her sad sweet pining for her father when Nicholas was ill, and kissing his photo inAlexandra's locket. Also, that little story where , after being ignored by the big pair, she bravely insisted on joining the play as "the good aunt" and handing out gifts to her "nieces."
  I must also admit her situation as the picked-on , lesser favored, daughter appealed to me as a sort of underdog.   
   That "fat , little bow-wow" thing , and her sometimes clumsiness  just appealed to the protective instinct, I guess.    Mostly, though, it's that remarkable angelic nature which,  from birth til 19 , struck  all who met her and us lucky 21st century ones who know her only through beautiful photos and words and drawings.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Natasya on February 05, 2007, 06:21:48 PM
My favourite is definately Alexei, but between the girls I could never decide. I always end up saying "My favourite is Olga, or Tatiana, or Marie, maybe Anastasia."
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: otma_gal3 on February 05, 2007, 08:51:17 PM
For me, I would have to say...well, actually I have a few.  ::)

Nicholas II or "Nicky" because he was such a sensitive human being, and deeply cared for his family. Not only that, but he also had that undying passion for Alexandra, which I extremely admire......I wish I could find a guy like that somewhere ::).
Honestly, another reason why he is one of my favorites is because, well...because he was handsome in my humble opinion.  ;D

Maria Nicholaievnabecause, like previous posters have said, how sweet she was and that angelic personality. I can also relate to her when she had her low self-confidence and didn't feel loved at times.

I love all of them though, and really couldn't pick favorites. They are all dear in my heart.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Jarian on February 05, 2007, 08:58:58 PM
Umm this is hard let me look at my username MARIA!!!!! She was such an Angel
But best personality to Nastya
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Holly on February 07, 2007, 08:42:02 AM
Anastasia Nicholaievna of course! ;D There's more than one reason why she's the most famous.  ::)
Tatiana is my second favorite. She was religious, kind, reserved, elegant, charming, seldom argued with her parents, and she put her family above all else. Exactly what a young lady should be.
Of course each of them had their faults. Like how Olga always argued with her mother and didn't act like a lady at times and how Anastasia said rude and innapropriate things in the presense of others. It's interesting how a lot of people tend to view Maria as an 'angel' and 'angelic' when really she did just as many unangelic things as her sisters did! She romped around and did as many pranks as Anastasia; especially considering they were together all the time! She really isn't as angelic as most people see her as; you need to read more anecdotes and letters I suppose.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: granduchess_leah on February 07, 2007, 01:30:53 PM
yes i think thats true holly

Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: granduchess_leah on February 07, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
mine as always been anastasia because i can relate to her a lot but now i seem to like all of them
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: scarlett_riviera on February 28, 2007, 06:24:22 AM
My favorite Romanovs are Dimitri Pavlovich and Vladimir Paley. Dimitri has an air of mystery about him that I find very intriguing. Vladimir Paley, on the other hand, is a wonderful poet. He could've contributed a lot, had he been allowed to live.
Oh, I almost forgot to mention Prince Felix Yussupov! "Lost Splendour" made me laugh out loud during the first few chapters! He was incredibly witty!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Amanda_Misha on March 02, 2007, 06:32:01 PM
Nicholas, Alix, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, Alexei and Michael
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Noelle Royale on April 25, 2007, 06:39:33 PM
To me it would definately be Grand Duchess Tatiana.She was just so beautiful and tall.She looked wondeful in Imperial Court Costume.I use to fantasize about her marrying Prince Edward the Prince of Wales(Edward VIII)Had that happened, it might have given the Charles and Diana 1980's mania of late a very good run for their money.Surely Tatiana would have brought some amazing Imperial jewels with her to add more luster to the already ornamental House of Windsor.God save the Tsar!
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: nena on April 26, 2007, 03:57:06 PM
My favourite Romanov? ALEXEI!!!!! and Olga, she is so beautiful, silent, extroardinary, and tragic....
I love Alexei's eyes....They were so beautiful!
My Alexei, they hard killled you, because you was unique, because your eyes were so sad,because your heart was powerful, becuse you was the most important child in Russia, because God loved you, because you was charm, ......Aand, my dear Tsarevich,you will be forever in ours hearts....Fly,fly, my sweet angel...And pray the God into us! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Nikolasha on May 11, 2007, 04:18:29 PM
My favorite is definitively empress Alexandra. It was badly treated so often too wrong and was misunderstood. She was a good person and a strong woman. In addition, hated the Russians and court her,  because she was a born German, this is not a reason !!!

Nikolasha
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on May 14, 2007, 04:26:40 PM
My favorite Romanov is Olga eldest daughter of Nicky and Alix and Ella sister of Alix I love them them two are my favorites we all have many things in common. Me and Olga both poetic,nice, moody, love roses,tall, artistic and cat lovers. I have some things in common with Ella but I love her dedication,help for others, love, caring and religious ways. :)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Nikolasha on May 15, 2007, 06:43:04 AM
The best and noblest queen we had in prussia, was Queen Luise of Prussia, unfortunately, too early died is.

Nikolasha
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: GDLynn on May 15, 2007, 08:15:53 AM
My Favorite Romanov is Anastasia....And Nicky and Alyosha too!

But I have been reading about Anastasia since I was like 10 (and I'm 16 now) and I feel as if I know her, and we are connected, you know? we are a lot alike, we both love taking Photos and I'm the shortest in my family, and I'm a clown! when I was little I loved playing pranks on my sibs. haha and I still do! I some time wish I could go back in time and meet her. how cool would that be?

Lynn 
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: TheAce1918 on May 15, 2007, 08:26:09 AM
I LOVE Ludwigs castles!   :D

Some of my other favorite G/A royals include the Hapsburg family from 1900-17 (more importantly Franz Ferdinand and his family, and Franz Josef I)

And though I don't really embrace him, I've become rather interested in the family of Wilhelm II and its ties with the Windsors in England.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Rudolf_II on May 15, 2007, 09:26:40 AM
Emperor Rudolf II, of course.  I have an idiot brother who's trying to deprive me of my 'rightful' property, too.

Ferdinand I of Austria - Not as stupid as a lot of people imagine.

I find it very hard to admire anyone from the Prussian Royal family...
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: HerrKaiser on May 15, 2007, 11:07:12 AM
 I actually find much to admire about the Hohenzollerns. Vickie #1, Fritz #2 if not tied for #1, Mossy, Princess Viktoria Luise, CP Cecilie, Prince Louis Ferdinand, Prince Henry is better than typically portrayed. I also find WII very interesting, perhaps not admired, but for sure interesting.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on May 15, 2007, 04:33:35 PM
That would be very cool if we can go back in time and meet the Romanovs. I like you Anastasia signature and avatar it is so cute. I have been interested in Olga since I was 11 years old. My second favorite Roamnov has to be Ella and then Maria Roamnovs Olga's sister they are my most favorite Romanovs and Alix of Hesse is my four then Anastasia Romanov fifth. I just love all of the Romanovs.... :)
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: GDLynn on May 15, 2007, 04:39:09 PM
I like you Anastasia signature and avatar it is so cute.

I made the signature, and I got the avatar for "Frozentears.org"
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Antie on May 15, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
Who is my favorite?  Take a wild guess!

It's Tatiana, of course!

I love how she looks self-assured and dignified.  She knows who she is and what she is supposed to do.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Greenowl on May 16, 2007, 06:51:19 PM
Hmmm.....very difficult....about 50 come to mind. However, after due deliberation, my vote goes to Empress ZITA of Austria
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Taksa on May 18, 2007, 01:52:37 PM
My love to Romanovs began with Anastasia and I loved her more then others, now I probably like Marie a little more. Dmitry Pavlovich, Irina, Nicholas of course... and not Romanov, but close to them - Felix ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: granduchess_leah on May 19, 2007, 07:07:13 AM
My favouurite romanovs are 1st as you all no anastasia well she was witty ,pretty and funny all at the same time ..anastasia even no she was growing up (but never really got the chance to ) was a girl who knew how to have fun and woundnt let anything stop her from doing so ..my 2nd favourite is tatiana because of her loyailty and responsilbe personality and that she took care of things for her mother and farther, my 3rd and 4th and 5th favoruite are alexei ,marie and olga i also like ella of hesse for her sweet nature and kind heart which was never really gotten to see more of ..
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: Victor on May 19, 2007, 08:35:14 AM
My favourite Romanov,may sound a little obsure,is Princess Ioann Konstantinovich;Princesss Helen of Serbia.Her father-in-law KR is interesting of course and much better known but the way the Princess reacted to the contrasts in her life intrique me.So loyal to her husband-following him to Siberia when she could have left the country with their childen.Who else in the IF marched right up to the front door of the House of Special Purpose and asked to see the Emperor?What a strong minded woman.
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: scarlett_riviera on May 19, 2007, 08:45:38 PM
My favourite Romanov,may sound a little obsure,is Princess Ioann Konstantinovich;Princesss Helen of Serbia.Her father-in-law KR is interesting of course and much better known but the way the Princess reacted to the contrasts in her life intrique me.So loyal to her husband-following him to Siberia when she could have left the country with their childen.Who else in the IF marched right up to the front door of the House of Special Purpose and asked to see the Emperor?What a strong minded woman.

Yes I'm surprised they didn't arrest her again. She was a really strong woman and you have to admire her guts!  ;D
Title: Re: Who's your Favorite Romanov???
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on May 19, 2007, 08:52:37 PM
my favourite's are Aleksei, Marie and Anastasia
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Nikolasha on May 23, 2007, 07:29:16 AM
Here she is: Luise Queen of Prussia


(http://data1.blog.de/blog/b/biografien-news/img/Luise.jpg)



Greetings Nikolasha
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Vasiliy on May 25, 2007, 12:18:06 PM
Alice of Hesse ( Alice-Moud-Mary )
Title: Favorite sisters
Post by: miki_nastya on June 10, 2007, 12:56:34 PM
 Among this sisters who you like the moust and whay?
         
         Queen Alexandra of UK ( b. Alexandra of Danemark)-Alix  OR  Tsarina Maria Feodorovna ( b.Dagmar of Danemark)- Minny
          Queen Maria of Romania(b. Marie of Edinburg)-Missy   OR    GD  Victoria Feodorovna(b Victoria Melita of Edinburg)-Ducky
          Tsarina Alexandra Feodorovna(b.Alix of Hesse)-Alix  OR  GD Yelisabeta Feodorovna(b.Elisabeth of Hesse)-Ella
           Queen Elisabeth of Greek (b. Elisabeta of Romania)-Liabeta OR Queen Marie of Yugoslavia(b.Maia of Romania)-Mignon
           
Title: Re: Favorite sisters
Post by: Historybuff_262 on June 14, 2007, 10:24:24 AM
Maria Federovna
Maria of Romania
Elizabeth of Hesse
Elizabeth of Greece.
Title: Re: Favorite sisters
Post by: granduchess_leah on June 14, 2007, 10:51:59 AM
Elizabeth of Hesse
Elizabeth of Greece.
Alexandra Feodorovna
Maria Feodorovna
Maria of Romania
Mignon
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Therese on June 17, 2007, 12:13:18 PM
My favourite German Royals are:

King Otto I. of Bavaria (a handsome, very likeable and fun-loving man (in spite of his illness))
King Ludwig II. of Bavaria (Otto´s brother)
Princess Therese of Bavaria (daughter of Prince Regent Luitpold of Bavaria, a very interesting woman)
Queen Marie Friederike of Bavaria (Otto´s and Ludwig´s mother)
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: José on June 18, 2007, 09:19:57 AM
That's what I call a Wittelsbach fan  ;)

I guess Duke Max, Sisi's father was some character too.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: ipflo on June 18, 2007, 03:04:03 PM
I would like to mention Karl von Habsburg, the last austrian emperor, and Frederick Augusts, the last Saxon king. Further I also find William II an interesting figure, favourite is probably something else.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on August 04, 2007, 06:36:54 AM
Of course Kaiserin Friedrich and Kaiser Friedrich III, Ludwig II of Bavaria, Crown Princess Luisa of Saxony .. the list goes on and of course Kaiserin Elisabeth is on it for Austria-Hungary 
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Kevin From Australia on August 09, 2007, 04:23:54 AM
Duchess Sophie Charlotte of Oldenburg who married Eitel Friedrich of Prussia - even before she was married she looks so sad in her photos.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on August 11, 2007, 02:39:58 AM
smile Kevin ... I guess if any person had been married to Eitel Friedrich she would have been very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Kurt Steiner on September 07, 2007, 03:46:23 PM
I know that someone is going to say "this guy is weird". I know, I'm weird ;)

My favourite German/Austrian Royals:

1. Wilhelm II. He was a tragic figure, trying to be someone that he neither wasn't nor could be.
2. Kronprinz Rudolf of Austria.
3. Elisabeth of Austria.

Now I think... they are all tragic figures...
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 07, 2007, 06:03:53 PM
hmmm what a choice!
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 07, 2007, 06:28:23 PM
I know that someone is going to say "this guy is weird". I know, I'm weird ;)

My favourite German/Austrian Royals:

1. Wilhelm II. He was a tragic figure, trying to be someone that he neither wasn't nor could be.
2. Kronprinz Rudolf of Austria.
3. Elisabeth of Austria.

Now I think... they are all tragic figures...


Too hard on yourself. Not wierd at all. "Tragic" figures do not rule them out from being endeared, important, likeable, or 'favorite' people. Part of their so-called tragedies is resulting from histories written with the expected bias of a male-dominated historical perspective, and in WII's case, the loser of a major war. William's wife, Auguste viktoria is constantly repudiated for nearly everything (some of which is true particularly her unkind treatment of vicky her mother in law), but take a look at wikipedia's summary about her. A very different view than the classic 'holstein cow' that nearly everyone wants her to be remembered for.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 07, 2007, 06:38:19 PM
hmm Dona ... she was hardly brilliant ... she certainly found the loss of Empire difficult to deal with ... mind you she still lived in considerable luxury at Huis Doorn where she died
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 07, 2007, 06:49:37 PM
can't say I find the wikipedia bio particularly good
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 07, 2007, 06:50:28 PM
it is also unreferenced
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Kurt Steiner on September 08, 2007, 03:21:23 AM
"Tragic" figures do not rule them out from being endeared, important, likeable, or 'favorite' people. Part of their so-called tragedies is resulting from histories written with the expected bias of a male-dominated historical perspective, and in WII's case, the loser of a major war. William's wife, Auguste viktoria is constantly repudiated for nearly everything (some of which is true particularly her unkind treatment of vicky her mother in law), but take a look at wikipedia's summary about her. A very different view than the classic 'holstein cow' that nearly everyone wants her to be remembered for.

I fully agree. Perhaps the reason that I felt attracted to read about them was their fates, and, in William's case, his bad reputation. Although I don't think he was blameless, but I find in him such a vulnerable man that he moves me deeply, as deeply as he angers me sometimes. As Lawrence Wilson wrote about him, he was a Prussian man who felt as a German, a general who was afraid of war, an agressive dreamer, a bad actor as emperor and hard to classify as a man. But, above all, he was a ruler incapable of ruling himself.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 08, 2007, 07:57:25 AM
Wilhelm suffered from pomposity and ego. He wanted to give Germany a place in the sun. His great tragedy was that he did not have the benefit of gaining knowledge from his far more competent parents during an extended reign. He needed to learn from a longer period as Crown Prince under his father. There is no doubt that Friedrich III would have transformed the Kaiserreich and Wilhelm would have learnt a great deal from his father as Kaiser. Wilhelm's tragedy was gaining power too young without experience and also having been influenced too greatly by Wilhelm I and Bismarck. That aside I do believe he was not at all totally bad. Certainly Germany without Wilhelm II and the Hohenzollern dynasty was a rudderless ship which inevitably turned into an unstable regime and allowed for the emergence of the Third Reich. Certainly Wilhelm II had a great deal of time to ponder his mistakes during his long exile in the Netherlands. I would thoroughly recommend a visit to Huis Doorn his place of exile and final burial. It is full of so many objects relating to his reign. The Neues Palais in Potsdam is basically devoid of objects relating to Wilhelm II as the Weimar Republic allowed Wilhelm to remove them to the Netherlands. I wish it were possible to view inside the Temple of Antiquities at Postdam as one could then see the tomb of Wilhelm II's consort Dona and his eldest grandson Prince Wilhelm. This sadly though is closed. I must admit I was disgusted to see relatively recent vandalism of the stonework of the exterior. What possesses people to destroy such beauty? 
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Kurt Steiner on September 08, 2007, 02:07:40 PM
His great tragedy was that he did not have the benefit of gaining knowledge from his far more competent parents during an extended reign. He needed to learn from a longer period as Crown Prince under his father. 

That's the key. Had his father lived longer...

Just imagine. It's 1887- The Crown Prince Friedrich is diagnosed by five of Germany's leading doctors as suffering from throat cancer -and they believed that an operation to remove it could be completely successful as it had been caught early!!!- . Let's supose that the don't consult the Englishman Dr Morell Mackenzie, the leading laryngologist in Europe. Or they do and Mackenzie doesn't got wrong and, instead of diagnosing the growth as a fibromatous swelling, he agrees that it's cancer and they go on and remove it. 

So, instead of having Friedrich dying the 15th of June 1888 after having ruled for 99 days as Kaiser, at age 57, he could have lived to the ripe old age of 91,like his father. And bearing in mind Friedrich's politics - he was a liberal, supported by his wife Victoria, daughter of Queen Victoria of Britain, and the mutual dislike  between him and Bismark- everything would have radically changed. Friedrich was in favour of a British-influenced constitutional monarchy, and was well-received in Britain, in contrast to his son Wilhelm, who was highly conservative and somewhat arrogant. Could Friedrich, in a healthy state when he ascends to the throne, have moved Imperial Germany away from the arch-conservatism of Bismark, from the conservative Junker-dominated state, and made a constitutional monarchy out of it? Could he make it strong enough to withstand the conservative leanings of his son, when Wilhelm ascended to the throne?

Alàs! We shall never know.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 10, 2007, 02:44:28 PM
Right, we will never know. But, as Wettin pointed out many, many months ago in his wisdom-filled postings, even a 30 year reign by Fritz would likely have made some adjustments to the polictics of Germany and Europe, but he would probably not been responsible for a complete conversion of the social/autocratic establishment.

What HAD made the changes and WOULD HAVE continued to evolve for Germany was the market economy. Industrializatino and market factors had been allowed to gain the upper hand in spite of the somewhat ancient dispostino of the autocratic system. That germany, at the turn of the century, was leading the world in science, technology, and much industrial output is testament to the capitalistic society it had become, very quickly. And, ironically, with the help and blessings of both Wiliiam AND Bismarck! It is my belief, shared by many researcher/historians, that it was clearly not the pompous, autocratic William and his style or government or policies that led to WWI, rather the same elements that have led to the Iraq war...money.

by the by, Fritzes throat cancer was probably untreatable no matter who or when he was operated on. this type of cancer is very deadly; even today, the outlook is not so good. By the time Fritz was diagnosed, the cancer probably had spread to his lymph nodes and regardless of when the larynx was removed, he was in trouble. those factors combined with no form of treatment and little awareness of lifestyle changes, not a good picture.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
Any attempt to remove Friedrich III's throat would have killed him. The so-called expert Doctor who recommended this course of action actually killed quite a few doing this procedure. He even killed on in front of students in an effort to claim such a procedure would have saved Friedrich III. It is all well documented. Fate sadly steps in and removes good men to the cost of nations.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: HerrKaiser on September 11, 2007, 11:19:22 AM
Dmitri, do you have sources regarding the killings you are referring to?

Removal of a cancerous tumor is not removeal of the throat. There are many parts to the neck area, and Fritzes cancer was apparently a tumor of the larynx which is able to be removed without killing a patient.

that said, one has to recognize the time and place. Cancer was essentially a "new" disease in terms of ID. Most people who died from "consumption" actually had cancer, it is believed, because cancer was not well known or understood. Surgery was also a relatively new technique in treating disease and hence, not very sophisticated. Fritz would far more likely to have died from the surgery due to infection than anything.

From everything I have read about Fritz and know about ca of the neck, there was no hope for him and he had about the best care anyone in the world could have had at that time.
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 12:21:39 PM
Yes there is a lot of sourced information on the German doctor mentioned. I will try to lay my hands on his name. He was rather embarrassing and not terribly competent. He was the one who actually caused a lot of damage by forcing the canula the wrong place. Friedrich III actually is on record of requesting that this person never touch him again. Watch this space!
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: Kurt Steiner on September 14, 2007, 03:50:29 AM
Any attempt to remove Friedrich III's throat would have killed him. The so-called expert Doctor who recommended this course of action actually killed quite a few doing this procedure. He even killed on in front of students in an effort to claim such a procedure would have saved Friedrich III. It is all well documented. Fate sadly steps in and removes good men to the cost of nations.

Gosh. I'm speechless. What an incompetent murderer...
Title: Re: Favourite German/Austrian Royal
Post by: dmitri on September 14, 2007, 07:39:03 AM
Yes he was totally incompetent. The name of the person was a Dr. Bergmann. Friedrich III ordered that Bergmann never touch him again after the incident with the cannula which resulted in an abcess in the patient's neck. He stated, "Bergmann ill-treated me."

Royal Web by Ladislas Farago - p.268 ISBN 0 07 OL994L 8
An Uncommon Woman by Hannah Pakula - p.480 ISBN I 85799 853 7

and further :

"Bergman used a canula of his own, one without the rounded end which avoided damaging the tissues of the throat. He pulled out the old breathing tube and thrust in his new one, missed the incision in the windpipe and forced the cannula inside the flesh of the neck. The Emperor began to splutter and bleed copiously. Again Bergmann tried to thrust his cannula into the wrong place and had to pull it out again. The Emperor coughed and coughed. Streams of blood flowed from his throat. The agitated Bergmann pushed his forefinger into the wound to enlarge it, then failed again to insert the cannula. He gave up and ordered his assistant, Dr. Bramann to inser a smaller tube, which Bramann did with ease."

The Other Victoria by Andrew Sinclair  - p.213 - ISBN  0 297 77987 7


Title: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 07:40:06 PM
Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 07:43:49 PM
I dislike Archduchess Sophie, she was very domineering with her sons.
She affected Sissi's marriage and relationship with her children.
And when Maximilian asked for help to herShe answered "Don't cry as a woman
 for something that you couldn't deffend
as a man"
Title: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 08:04:53 PM
Who are your favorite Wittelsbachs?
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 22, 2009, 08:06:59 PM
My favorite Wittelsbachs:

Helene "Nene", Elisabeth "Sissi" if I can consider her Wittelsbach because she's
more considered Habsburg, Matilda "Spatz", Marie, Sophie & their mother
Ludovika
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: synnadene on June 23, 2009, 03:17:53 AM

I dislike the ADss Elisabeth Marie (daughter of Rudolf), beeing so selfish and Luise Antonia of Tuscany, because leaving her family then she was the most bitter, because of her changed life...
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 23, 2009, 04:33:06 AM
I dislike Archduchess Sophie, she was very domineering with her sons.

Agree with you, I have to say that I dislike Archduchess Sophie too (just my opinion).
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Greenowl on June 23, 2009, 04:43:49 AM
Archduke Wilhelm (1895-1948) son of Archduke Karl Stephan, because of his association (however short) with the Nazi Party.

Crown Prince Rudolf, because I find it very difficult to like someone who murdered a young girl. While he had a difficult life in many respects he should not have killed Mary Vetsera.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2009, 08:19:18 AM
None so far

Ps: How come Rudolph Killed mary vetsera?.Werent both murdered?
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Rani on June 23, 2009, 09:41:45 AM

I dislike the ADss Elisabeth Marie (daughter of Rudolf), beeing so selfish and Luise Antonia of Tuscany, because leaving her family then she was the most bitter, because of her changed life...

I didn´t like Elisabeth, too. She loved her father so much and blamed her mother for his death.
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Rani on June 23, 2009, 09:45:28 AM
Helene, my favourite, too :)

And of course all her siblings.
King Otto, the sad one.
Therese of Bavaria, because she was a great scientist!
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Ally Kumari on June 23, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
None so far

Ps: How come Rudolph Killed mary vetsera?.Werent both murdered?

As far as I know he shot Mary and then himself.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: KarlandZita on June 23, 2009, 10:40:52 AM
I can not say that I hate really a member of the Hasburg family . Had not known personally and can not be judged by what historians and contemporaries have said - with the subjectivity that entails - I can only mention those for whom I have the least esteem.

Thus Archduke Rudolph seems to have been mentally weak, selfish and irresponsible as to cause an innocent girl into death.

Same Archduchess Elisabeth Marie  who shared some of the oddities of her father and was so little grateful to her mother who raised almost alone.

Yet Emperor Maximilian seems to have had a very endearing personality and is one of Archduchess Sophie's children I like the least.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Princess Susan on June 23, 2009, 11:23:20 AM
Crown Prince Rudolph, because I mean, that was horrible unfair and irresponsible from him to killed young silly girl, dispite of his unhappy life and depression. And doesn't metter whether she longed for death too or not.

I don't like very much also Archduke Otto-  second son of Archduke Karl Ludwig, because he was horrible and egoistic as a husband (as a Father as well I suppose). He was very inconsiderate and rude to poor Maria Josepha.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Tina Laroche on June 23, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
None so far

Ps: How come Rudolph Killed mary vetsera?.Werent both murdered?

As far as I know he shot Mary and then himself.

That's the official version... But there are some theories that they were murdered (for political reasons etc.) .
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 23, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
Crown Prince Rudolph, because I mean, that was horrible unfair and irresponsible from him to killed young silly girl, dispite of his unhappy life and depression. And doesn't metter whether she longed for death too or not.

I don't like very much also Archduke Otto-  second son of Archduke Karl Ludwig, because he was horrible and egoistic as a husband (as a Father as well I suppose). He was very inconsiderate and rude to poor Maria Josepha.


I agree with you. I don't like Otto, either. Neither do I like archduke Albrecht.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on June 23, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
None so far

Ps: How come Rudolph Killed mary vetsera?.Werent both murdered?

As far as I know he shot Mary and then himself.

That's indeed true and official version....but as Tina said there are others too.... If we look the case in that point of view i don't like Rudolph too because he was a coward...he couldn't die alone and thats why in the "name of love" he drag away Mary with him,ofcourse she followed him because she loved him but in MY opinion he wasn't so much inlove with her...
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Ozymandias on June 23, 2009, 12:18:51 PM
Why do people listen to twice told tales that can't be proved one way or another, and unsubstantiated gossip.
You will always get the conspiracy theorists, but personally I've always liked a good conspiracy which Is a healthy thing.

Crown Prince Rudolph may have had depression , had his vices, unhappy with life In general. But he wasn't a murderer. Although I would never describe the Habsburgs as perfect but there's no congenital defects In the Habsburg line.
Maria Vetsera was silly young girl In love with her Crown Prince.

Conspiracy theorists and historians will speculate forever more, on what happened on 1889.
For what ever reason under orders of Emperor Franz Josef, all the evidence there was destroyed.
When someone knows nothing of events such as Mayerling, they Invent stories to feed the fires of speculation. Just In case something pops out.

Conspiracy theorists will always go aaaa.............
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 23, 2009, 01:57:44 PM
i ve read some thoughts of Rudolph before his marriage with stephanie and the poor one had a tortured soul. I dont think he was a murder and  this has nothing to do with my "hate" to Mary Vetsera. I never liked that woman.
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Veronica on June 23, 2009, 05:59:44 PM
Maria Sophia, queen of the Two Sicilies
Her brother Carl Theodor
King Ludwig II
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Greenowl on June 23, 2009, 06:07:57 PM
My favourites are

Carl-Theodor "Gackel" and his daughter Elisabeth (later Queen of the Belgians)
King Ludwig II
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 23, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
Why do you admire them?
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 23, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
My favorite is Sissi, her life is very interesting, but the lives of her sisters & mother are interesting too, although some of them are a little bit unhappy  for example Sissi’s and Sophie’s lives. :-(
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: aor on June 24, 2009, 07:50:10 AM
I do not dislike Archduke Rudolph, I believe he was very intelligent but not given a job to do with this intelligence. So he directed his 'energy' elswhere, with dramatic results! Who or what caused the end result could be taken in debate. I believe we will never know the truth.

I don't care much for the Archduke Albrecht, Empress Elisabeth, Archduke Otto or Archduke Karl Ludwig and there are a few others, these come to mind.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 24, 2009, 09:12:16 AM
Archduchess Sophie, certainly not like her. As said she was to domineering and refused to leave the spot-light when Elisabeth came in the pîcture as Empress. In my opinion this was one of the reasons the Imperial Couple had such a bad marriage. It started good but Sophie's influence, among other things, left a bad mark on it.

As for Crown Prince Rudolf. I don't dislike him, I recognise much of his mother in his character. His melancholic part, depressions, the awful marriage, his liberal and free spirit towards another policy then his fathers. He, like his mother, loved to write and longed for death. Many historians tell that Rudolf saw Mary as a chance to be happy again, but I believe that Rudolf was too depressed and chose Mary to die with him. After all he asked Mizzi Caspar, the rumour goes he even asked his wife, to die with him. But wether he really killed Mary and himself is to be on debate for years - though I believe he did it. The only thing we know is that Rudolf and Mary did not share the tragic love displayed in movies, plays and musicals. It is indeed dramatic, romantic and so sad but just not reality. Mary loved Rudolf indeed, she adored him as an idol and was pleased to share his fate. But wether Rudolf loved Mary as deeply as movies show we will never know. The evidence all is destroyed and the only people who know why cannot tell it anymore, neither they would do that.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Ella1886 on June 24, 2009, 10:05:13 AM

If you're disgusted by the behaviour of Archduchess Sophie, you should check out  Sophia Dorothea (?) the wife of George I of England and how she was treated by her mother-in-law, husband and his mistress.

Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: synnadene on June 24, 2009, 10:35:57 AM

I can't say I dislike Sophie because beeing a strict mother-in-law, because then I have to say, that Elisabeth too was a terrible mother-in-law, and far from beeing a good mother...
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 24, 2009, 10:43:55 AM

I can't say I dislike Sophie because beeing a strict mother-in-law, because then I have to say, that Elisabeth too was a terrible mother-in-law, and far from beeing a good mother...

I agree completely on this, Elisabeth had her faults too. But somehow I like her much more over her mother-in-law. I guess Elisabeth chose to not get her hands into the marriage of her son because she knew how badly she had experienced her own mother-in-law's tricks. But then again indeed she wasn't a great mother, yet she tried to make that good with Marie-Valerie. But indirectly Sophie is again to be blamed because she insisted on taking care of the children and this made Elisabeth estrange from her children.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Ozymandias on June 24, 2009, 01:42:02 PM
I like Emperor Franz Joseph.
I don't dislike Sissi after all she was the Empress, but she comes across to narcissistic if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: synnadene on June 24, 2009, 02:04:56 PM

Ozymandias, you are completely right. I can't "forgive" her, that she didn't allow to photograph her together with her children... (even with Valerie)
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Veronica on June 24, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
I feel the same that Ozymandias about Empress Elisabeth. I don´t dislike her but there are some things about her that are not nice, such as her being so self-centered and distant from her husband and eldest children. Anyway, I love seeing her photographs and it's a pity, as synadenne says, that she was never photographed with Franz Joseph or the children, except for the very well known group shot.
And I don't dislike Archduchess Sophie either, I think that she was doing what she felt was the best.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Princess Susan on June 24, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
I like Archduchess Sophie, she is one of my favorite. I think she was good-hearted woman, devoted mother and uniqe strong personality. Maybe too strong, so that Sisi was able to bear it. Because she was strong personality as well. Sophie liked Elisabeth, I don't belive, that was so terrible mother-in-law. Far more better, then Elisabeth ever was to Stephanie.
But I consider Elisabeth for uniqe woman too. Unfortunately for people in her suroundings she was also too egocentric.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Greenowl on June 24, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
Well said, Princess Susan! I feel exactly the same way. As I stated in the thread devoted to Archduchess Sophie: "I don't think that Archduchess Sophie actually disliked Elisabeth, at least not at the beginning. As I understand it, she considered her niece/daughter-in-law too immature and poorly educated for the position of Empress and decided to try to help her to live up to the strict Habsburg court etiquette. Sophie probably thought that she was being kind to Elisabeth, but needless to say, Elisabeth saw things differently and began to resent and hate her aunt/mother-in-law, thus their relationship deteriorated pretty quickly. While the situation was clearly unpleasant for Elisabeth, I don't think that there was initially any deliberate malice or unkindness on the part of the Archduchess. Just my humble opinion!"
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: Princess Susan on June 24, 2009, 04:13:14 PM
My Favorite are:
Carl Theodor,
Sophie of Alencon,
Marie Sophie of Two Siciles.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on June 24, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
Empress Maria Theresa - more specifically as a mother.  She played favorites, mostly 'ignored' her other children in their younger years,  played one against the other, demanded total obedience without seemingly giving much thought as how hard her children's situation were. She set spies on them, admonished them severely even for minor faults, and interfered incessantly in all aspects of her children's lives until she died (except with her favorite Mimi perhaps). MT also ruthlessly sacrificed them for reasons of state - in this she wasn't an exception of course, but look at how her precious alliance with France/the Bourbons turned out (she was extremely dissatisfied with it).  She also had a blind hatred for Frederick the Great and caused the Seven Years War , therefore sacrificed everything-and certain family members- in her tenacious need for revenge. In that (war and alliance) she greatly, grossly miscalculated!  She preached one thing to her children yet did the opposite in reality.  She may have been a good head of state but as a mother I do not admire her at all.  MT may have thought she was doing her best regarding her children and she may have had the best intentions (and her children were also a handful, w/ many faults of their own)  but it seemed obvious that her tactics/style weren't working. I wish she could've tried things differently (and perhaps would've had more positive results in her dealings with them).  All just my opinion, of course.     :)
Title: Re: Your favorite Wittelsbachs
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 26, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
My favorites are Marie Sophie (Queen of the two Sicilies), and King Ludwig II.
 
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
I’ve read all your posts showing your own points of view, all of them are worthy. But I want to add some comments, of course my own opinion.
Mary Vetsera: She wasn’t innocent, she knew perfectly all that she was doing, if she wanted to die with Rudolph, it was her problem. She was so silly and gullible, I dislike her too. I knew that she had an affair before Rudolph and she was notorious.
Crown Prince Rudolph: He was an unhappy and weak man (Weak of: health, character & mind) who was looking for consolation, of course I’m not defending him. He had several and serious mind disorders. I knew that he didn’t feel able to be an Emperor. About his relationship with Vetsera, he didn’t love her very much, perhaps (my own opinion) he just desired her. I dislike his attitude & behavior.
Elisabeth Marie “Erszi”: A capricious & ungrateful spoilt girl. She criticized very hard her poor mother, she never forgave her. In fact Erszi criticized very much her mother’s second marriage, but she had a scandalous life (It could be considered as this way in this years), and her caprice caused her problems (I’m referring to her first marriage).
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 06:26:09 PM
Another Habsburg that I dislike: Archduke Victor (nicknamed “Bubby” for his mother, Archduchess Sophie) he was Franz Joseph’s youngest brother. He visited public baths to molest boys; in fact he was nicknamed “The Archduke of the bath”.  With women he had a strange behavior: at first he was gentlemanly with them, but when he had an opportunity he offended them, I knew that he behaved as this way even with Sissi, that was a close member of his family.
Title: The Wittelsbachs that you dislike
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
The Wittelsbachs that you dislike
Tell us Who & Why?
Title: Re: The Wittelsbachs that you dislike
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 07:08:35 PM
I dislike Marie Louise Larisch Von Wallarsee. She was just an opportunist, the members of Habsburg family payed her for keep in silence all the story about Mayerling and they also offered her to go to live to the USA, she accepted the money & went to live to US, but there she wrote sensationalist books about the Habsburgs and she added a lot of false information to sell more & more books. She betrayed the confidence of her family.
Title: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 26, 2009, 07:22:09 PM
My favorites: Maude, Haakon & Olaf :-)
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on June 27, 2009, 04:16:35 AM
My favorites: Maude, Haakon & Olaf :-)

Totally agree with you!, my favorite Scandanavian Royals are indeed King Haakon VII, Queen Maud and Olav.

Contemporary Royals: Crown Prince Haakon, Crown Princess Mette Marit...and many more...
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Olga Maria on June 27, 2009, 05:51:32 AM
My faves are Queen Silvia, Victoria and Madeleine of Sweden, & Princess Mette-Marit.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: MarieCharlotte on June 28, 2009, 08:41:12 AM
Another Habsburg that I dislike: Archduke Victor (nicknamed “Bubby” for his mother, Archduchess Sophie) he was Franz Joseph’s youngest brother. He visited public baths to molest boys; in fact he was nicknamed “The Archduke of the bath”.  With women he had a strange behavior: at first he was gentlemanly with them, but when he had an opportunity he offended them, I knew that he behaved as this way even with Sissi, that was a close member of his family.

Dear Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi, I really don't want to be like a know-all, but his name was LUDWIG Victor. The right spelling of his nickname wasn't "Bubby", but "Bubi" which is something like a little cute boy in Germany. I guess you aren't a German native speaker, so never mind. When he was still a child, Franz Joseph called him "der kleine Ludwig" (= "little Ludwig") in his letters.

What you wrote about Ludwig is only half the truth. He didn't visit public baths regularly, but one time he assaulted a young man in an indecent way. As this incident couldn't be hushed up, Franz Joseph exiled his brother to Klesheim near Salzburg.
Actually old women liked Ludwig very much, because he was really good in buttering them up. But you are right, he loved scandals, was some kind of gossip-monger and Elisabeth hated him for sowing the seeds of discord within the imperial family. He isn't one of my favourites either ...
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Zukunftsseele on June 28, 2009, 12:09:22 PM
Personally, I like Ludwig Victor. He is an interesting character and sadly, he never got much attention and room in the Habsburg history, which is why most people only know a few facts, namely that he was gay and they usually relate him to the incident you mentioned, MarieCharlotte. But there is so much more about him and he was a quite interesting character. It's the same problem Rudolf. Even though he was and is more popular than Ludwig Victor, people know the common, superficial facts and rumors, so he was just 'the one who killed himself and his mistress' and that's all. Less people know the variety of his interests, how intelligent and sensitive he was, etc. And even his mother, Empress Elisabeth will probably never get rid of her 'Sissi' image, as well.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on June 28, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
I agree, Elisabeth will always be seen as the young naive girl portrayed in the Trylogy with Romy. It is far from the truth but people don't know or care about that these days. As for Rudolf, movies gave quite wrong image of him - he is shown as an heroic man dying for the sake of true love, but we all know that is not the truth. And about Mary Vetsera, did she really have an affair before she was with Rudolf? I've read a bio on her and it doesn't mention one(but it is only little because the book itself is about Mayerling) - but she wasn't that innocent as she is often portrayed. That is for sure.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Habsburg?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2009, 06:28:25 PM
Another Habsburg that I dislike: Archduke Victor (nicknamed “Bubby” for his mother, Archduchess Sophie) he was Franz Joseph’s youngest brother. He visited public baths to molest boys; in fact he was nicknamed “The Archduke of the bath”.  With women he had a strange behavior: at first he was gentlemanly with them, but when he had an opportunity he offended them, I knew that he behaved as this way even with Sissi, that was a close member of his family.

Dear Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi, I really don't want to be like a know-all, but his name was LUDWIG Victor. The right spelling of his nickname wasn't "Bubby", but "Bubi" which is something like a little cute boy in Germany. I guess you aren't a German native speaker, so never mind. When he was still a child, Franz Joseph called him "der kleine Ludwig" (= "little Ludwig") in his letters.

What you wrote about Ludwig is only half the truth. He didn't visit public baths regularly, but one time he assaulted a young man in an indecent way. As this incident couldn't be hushed up, Franz Joseph exiled his brother to Klesheim near Salzburg.
Actually old women liked Ludwig very much, because he was really good in buttering them up. But you are right, he loved scandals, was some kind of gossip-monger and Elisabeth hated him for sowing the seeds of discord within the imperial family. He isn't one of my favourites either ...

Excuse me girl, I don't speak German and sometimes I don't write names in a right way :-( I just dislike his
strange actions, that's all
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 29, 2009, 07:53:05 PM
My favorites: Maude, Haakon & Olaf :-)

Totally agree with you!, my favorite Scandanavian Royals are indeed King Haakon VII, Queen Maud and Olav.

Contemporary Royals: Crown Prince Haakon, Crown Princess Mette Marit...and many more...

I like them too (Crown Prince Haakon, Crown Princess Mette Marit)
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Erika on June 30, 2009, 04:47:57 PM
Since I am Swedish I am naturally a big fan of the Berndottes. My favorite is King Oscar II. I always loved him.
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 03, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
Queen Astrid is wonderful too :-)
Title: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 03, 2009, 07:45:07 PM
The mine is Viktoria Louise
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 03, 2009, 08:18:59 PM
I have tons =P

1)Adalbert Von preussen

2)Viktoria Louise

3)Wilhelm II

4)Kronprinzessin Cecilie

5)Heinrich Von Preussen

6)Ferdinand Von Preussen

6) Viktoria Augusta (Dona)
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 04, 2009, 04:18:01 AM
- Victoria Louise
- Friedrich III
- Crown Princess Cecilie
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: KarlandZita on July 05, 2009, 09:06:08 AM
Without hesitation Viktoria Luise which had all the qualities of a Princess : beauty, grace, elegance, intelligence, determination, cheerfulness and charm. I think she was one of the smiling princess and the most interesting of her time.
Title: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Russka Princess on July 05, 2009, 11:11:52 AM
Who is your favorite of the Hesse ?? and why ?

Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 05, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna (Ella) - She was a very strong and benevolent woman, she spent her whole life helping the poor and orphans.
Grand Duke Ernest Ludwig (Ernie) - I find him funny.
Tsarina Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) - She was a good mother and a good wife, although I dislike some aspects of her character.
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: amartin71718 on July 05, 2009, 03:52:04 PM
VMH- because she reminds me of myself ;D (Intellectual, a tomboy, odd sense of humor, bookworm, doesn't cry easily, talkative...)
Elizabeth (Ella)- because she was kind and forgiving, even in the face of death. She was musically talented, like me; From what I know, she had a slightly odd sense of humor; She created something beautiful from the many tragedies of her life (the convent).
Alexandra (Alix) - loving wife and mother; she ignored status and threw herself into nursing, even when she herself was sick (sciatica, breathlessess, etc.)
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Russka Princess on July 06, 2009, 07:50:49 AM
well my favorite are

VHM - she was a very strong woman.With her 15-years her mother lost and, nevertheless surrendered they separate her brothers and sisters and her father comforted. It was always involved in everything and learnt seriousness of the life. It was also for her children and grandchildren a model.(i think that everyone would love her!!)

Ella - it was a beauty, however, this did not count particularly, she had a good heart for poor and richly. She was open and lively person. Obwol so many they said a better man would find, she took Sergei, although everybody hated him, she opened her heart for him.( i think she would win all hearts, if rich or poor..)


Ernie - as well as his sisters he was also very kind and friendly. He was sensitive, however, he had a strong sense for humor like all his sisters and he loved his Hessen - country. He was a good duke, husband as well as father.( i think he would be a good friend,who you can tell all..)
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
I agree completely with you about Viktoria Louisa :-)
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 06, 2009, 08:31:12 PM
Alix of Hesse, later Tsarina Alexandra :-)
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 06, 2009, 09:16:31 PM
-Little Elisabeth _ cute and tragic little angel

-Ernest aka "Ernie"- I like him in every single way

-Elisabeth aka Ella . Such a wonderful woman
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: Adagietto on July 07, 2009, 11:03:46 AM
Friedrich III and  Heinrich (how much better if one of these two had been Emperor at the beginning of the last century rather than Little Willie); and among the younger ones  Oskar, Adalbert and Viktoria Luise; and after the deluge, Louis Ferdinand, and Friedrich (a.k.a Mr Friedrich von Preussen).  Oskar perhaps best of all.
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 07, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
I admire Alexandra, her life is very interesting but sad, She was a good
mother & wife, although she wasn't a good Tsarina
Title: Re: Your favorite Hohenzollern
Post by: Marie-Mathilde on July 08, 2009, 07:12:46 AM
1. Adalbert -  He was soooooo handsome!
2. Wilhelm (son of CP) - Likewise
3. Heinrich - Likewise
4. Cecilie - She looked like a fairytale princess
5. Eitel Friedrich - Very interesting character
6. Victoria, Princess Royal - Likewise
7. Irene - Gotta include a Hesse sister!
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: Ilana on July 08, 2009, 07:12:49 PM
I admire VMH, naturally.  Sensible, intelligent and pragmatic.  She knew her duty and was strong enough to do it, no matter the cost. A person who realized there was more to life beyond herself.
Title: Re: Your favorite Hesses and why ?
Post by: KarlandZita on July 09, 2009, 10:31:35 AM
Ernst Ludwig who, in addition to being an attractive man, seemed to have a sense of humor at a time that was, I think, quite devoid.
Title: Your favorite Be,Ne,Lux royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:26:27 PM
Who & why?
Title: Re: Your favorite Be,Ne,Lux royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:29:26 PM
The mine is Astrid of Belgium, she was a beutiful & kind lady
Title: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:34:23 PM
Who are Your favorite Danish royals?
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:35:47 PM
The mine is Dagmar (Marie Feodorovna)
Title: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 06:50:20 PM
Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Title: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
Who are Your favorite balkan royals?
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 10, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
The mine is the Queen Nathalie of Serbia
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 10, 2009, 08:27:39 PM
Yup, Prince Frederick Charles of Prussia

What an awful man! i used toi treat very bad his wife, Maria Anna of Anhalt and he even boxed her because she didnt give him a son.

What a beast ¬¬
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 10, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
1)Nicolae of Romania

3)MArie of Romania

4)Carmen Sylva (Elisabeth wied)

5)Ileana of Romania
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Marc on July 11, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
Sophie von Wied-Albania
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 11, 2009, 07:25:27 AM
I'm totally agree with Katenka.

I dislike Prince Frederick Charles...poor Maria Anna.  :(
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: wildone on July 11, 2009, 11:15:36 AM
I'm not too fond of Wilhelm I.  He treated his son poorly and allowed Bismarck to run rampant...
Title: Re: Your favorite Be,Ne,Lux royals
Post by: gogm on July 11, 2009, 07:38:30 PM
I like Wilhelmina - 100% for her country.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 12, 2009, 04:09:04 AM
Dagmar of Denmark (Marie Feodorovna)
Christian IX
Christian X
Queen Alexandrine (wife of Christian X)
Frederick VIII
Title: Re: Your favorite Be,Ne,Lux royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 12, 2009, 04:52:32 AM
Queen Astrid of Belgium - She was kind, intelligent, beautiful.
King Albert I of Belgium - He was a great king, he was very loved by his people.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:15:13 PM
I agree with you about the Prince Frederick Charles :-(
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:24:42 PM
Why do you admire them?
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:25:42 PM
I consider Marie Feodorovna or Dagmar a good hearted lady.
Title: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
I dislike Mabel Wise Smith, I think that she was an opportunist with a dark past
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:48:14 PM
I admire Marie of Romania too
Title: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 13, 2009, 07:49:09 PM
Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 13, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
i just realized  my wrong spelling. I didnt treat his wife bad! xD.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2009, 02:17:20 AM
I dislike Mabel Wise Smith, I think that she was an opportunist with a dark past

And I think you are talking bloody nonsense and in a way comparable with liabel.
Be aware of that,it might bite you in the butt.

You have no proof,except that Mabel once shared the bed with what turned out to be later was a crook.
I hope they enjoyed themselves and screamed bloody murder....but you're too young to understand yet
you claim you can talk with "big"people so there you go.Dark past hey?I hope yours won't get any darker.
I don't accept this opiniating little bla bla by dito people.
Not from anyone.Really none,and even if they think the world of themselves!l.

You do not know her,nada,nothing,nor much about her,in this otherwise already extremely childish thread.
A thread alien to us here,you won't find a dutch,let alone Benelux poster here,as we really think its kidstuff
We are not talking pop-stars or other present day vulgarities,we are talking on our,my,Royal House.
There is no reason anyone should dislike a member of the Benelux houses any other than bla bla bla,
they never did any of you any harm,now did they?Good.Then learn a bit more and come back when you're grown up.
It is not decent for little ones to blabber while grown-ups are talking anyway.And don't start nagging,I am not into that.

Maybe one should create a kids AP like we have a kids Hermitage here as well.That is fun.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 14, 2009, 04:10:02 AM
i just realized  my wrong spelling. I didnt treat his wife bad! xD.

Don't worry!  :), it happened to me too, I don't have much sympathy for him anyway.

Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 14, 2009, 04:40:46 AM
I consider Marie Feodorovna or Dagmar a good hearted lady.

Agree, and also elegant and refined, and with a very strong character too.

Why do you admire them?

King Christian X - from what I read he wasn't very loved by people, but he was a great king anyway, he led the resistance against Nazism with determination.

Queen Alexandrine - I find her sweet and patient...patient towards the authoritarian character of her husband.

King Christian IX - father of Dagmar, his reign wasn't easy for him, the second war of Schleswing was a very difficul moment for the Denmark.

Frederick VIII - brother of Dagmar and first son of Christian IX, I like his liberal idealism during his reign.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 14, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
Oh, my goodness, Lucien!  If these silly topics of "Like / Dislike?" are stopped, then one won't be able to ultimately create and get to "Do You Like / Dislike a Certain
Maharaja ?" Just think of the HUNDREDS of possibilities there!  In jest,   AP.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2009, 10:15:18 AM
Oh, my goodness, Lucien!  If these silly topics of "Like / Dislike?" are stopped, then one won't be able to ultimately create and get to "Do You Like / Dislike a Certain
Maharaja ?" Just think of the HUNDREDS of possibilities there!  In jest,   AP.

I like you! ::) ;D

Hundreds of possibilities indeed.In Kindergarten. :-X

jest continues... :D
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: nena on July 14, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
I prefer Queens to Kings myself, and I would choose -- Draga Maschin, Nathalie Keshko and Mignon/Marie of Romania/Yugoslavia.  :-D
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Elle on July 14, 2009, 01:02:20 PM
I think people are entitled to their opinions.  No need for other posters to be offended.  I sincerely doubt any royal is reading this forum.  Lighten up!
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Lucien on July 14, 2009, 03:05:24 PM
I think people are entitled to their opinions.  No need for other posters to be offended.  I sincerely doubt any royal is reading this forum.  Lighten up!
Yes,they are entitled,and I don't offend,they just should take this kidstuff somewhere else.Not in the Benelux,we do not care for that sort of thing.It has nothing to do with any Royal reading or not reading this Forum,it's just childish stuff we don't need here,nor want like I explained in a post before.We are not into this sort of bs in the BeNeLux,it takes up space,cést ca,no-one cares for this sort of thing here.Thank you.
Must be a culture thing,I respect that,but it is not ours.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: anna on July 14, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
I dislike Mabel Wise Smith, I think that she was an opportunist with a dark past

No need to continue this tread: she answered her own question! How clever :D So, case closed!

Anna
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: Gabriella on July 14, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
Do you dislike a Balkan royal?

King Carol II of Romania:  I dislike him for he was such a selfish and cruel person. The way he treated his family, especially his mother, wife and son as well as his younger sisters made him despicalbe but also the way he treated the people of his country.  In my opinion he was more a modern dictator than a king.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
I consider Marie Feodorovna or Dagmar a good hearted lady.

Agree, and also elegant and refined, and with a very strong character too.

Indeed, I agree with you :-)
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2009, 08:32:23 PM
Do you dislike a Balkan royal?

King Carol II of Romania:  I dislike him for he was such a selfish and cruel person. The way he treated his family, especially his mother, wife and son as well as his younger sisters made him despicalbe but also the way he treated the people of his country.  In my opinion he was more a modern dictator than a king.

As I can see, he was not a nice person :-(
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2009, 08:36:19 PM
I dislike Mabel Wise Smith, I think that she was an opportunist with a dark past

And I think you are talking bloody nonsense and in a way comparable with liabel.
Be aware of that,it might bite you in the butt.

You have no proof,except that Mabel once shared the bed with what turned out to be later was a crook.
I hope they enjoyed themselves and screamed bloody murder....but you're too young to understand yet
you claim you can talk with "big"people so there you go.Dark past hey?I hope yours won't get any darker.
I don't accept this opiniating little bla bla by dito people.
Not from anyone.Really none,and even if they think the world of themselves!l.

You do not know her,nada,nothing,nor much about her,in this otherwise already extremely childish thread.
A thread alien to us here,you won't find a dutch,let alone Benelux poster here,as we really think its kidstuff
We are not talking pop-stars or other present day vulgarities,we are talking on our,my,Royal House.
There is no reason anyone should dislike a member of the Benelux houses any other than bla bla bla,
they never did any of you any harm,now did they?Good.Then learn a bit more and come back when you're grown up.
It is not decent for little ones to blabber while grown-ups are talking anyway.And don't start nagging,I am not into that.

Maybe one should create a kids AP like we have a kids Hermitage here as well.That is fun.

Well, that's my opinion, I don't like to criticize others for their own points of view, if you don't agree
with me, your point of view is as worthy as others. O.k.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a BeNeLux royal?
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 14, 2009, 08:40:40 PM
Let's ignore this topic, please
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 15, 2009, 07:37:19 AM
Marie of Romania - Indeed my favorite.

And King Carol I and King Ferdinand of Romania too.

And also for Bulgaria Boris III, and his wife Giovanna (di Savoia).
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: miki_nastya on July 15, 2009, 02:43:22 PM
well yes carol wasn,t a good person, but in my opinion was a good ruler. Even better than his father.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2009, 03:19:46 AM
I consider Marie Feodorovna or Dagmar a good hearted lady.

What a relieve...Wouldn't have known which way to turn if you'd disliked her...... ::)

Kindergarten stuff for Europeans,please move.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 16, 2009, 03:44:21 AM
Kindergarten stuff for Europeans,please move.

Lucien, I know that you are a very intelligent and accultured person and I respect you, but unfortunately I have to say that this comment is a bit offensive in my opinion, and the user in question DON'T deserves this (nobody deserve this)...I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Lucien on July 16, 2009, 06:40:13 AM
Kindergarten stuff for Europeans,please move.

Lucien, I know that you are a very intelligent and accultured person and I respect you, but unfortunately I have to say that this comment is a bit offensive in my opinion, and the user in question DON'T deserves this (nobody deserve this)...I'm sorry.

Quite the contrary,a thread like this is offensive to anyone with a above average amount of grey cells and to a Forum
like this that claims to be one of the best qua topics and experts on the Romanov family and Russia,
which it is,but this is such childish allthough good natured stuff  it just takes up space.Really.
And,sorry,but we do not care for that sort of nonsense here,as that is what it is,silly girlish nonsense.What's next?
Like alexander said,a thread on the favorite maharaja's?Many do bother this sort of threads as it doesn't favour the
quality of the Forum,but I'm the one to speak out as I am used to and always do.In all due respect,Romanovfan.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: Svetabel on July 16, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
Okay, dear members. Let's stop here and change your opinions on this subject by PM, please.

All the threads with such questions "like/dislike" (the Forums where I can as a Mod move them ) will be moved to the Having Fun section.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Hohenzollern?
Post by: Natasya on July 16, 2009, 08:31:47 PM
I particularily dislike Fredrich Wilhelm I.
Title: Re: Your favorite Danish royals
Post by: KarlandZita on July 18, 2009, 06:07:24 AM
Queen Ingrid of Denmark, because she was a very smiling and delicious lady.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: KarlandZita on July 18, 2009, 06:16:54 AM
I never liked Carol II for several reasons:

First, for his shameful conduct towards his wife Helen and son Michael left them loosely.

Then, to his escape just as miserable from Romania at the beginning of the Second World War.

I do not like her sister Princess Elizabeth, who seems to have been a nasty and selfish person.
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: KarlandZita on July 18, 2009, 07:38:46 AM
My two idols are :

1°) King Peter I of Serbia that I revered for his courage, his bravery on the battlefield, his personal heroism during World War I, his loyalty to his allies, his sense of duty and dignity, his patriotism, his dedication to his people and his rare moral qualities which make it more a man of the nineteenth century as the twentieth birth.

2°) Helen, Queen Mother of Romania, for her exemplary dignity in the face of adversity, her deep human qualities, her extraordinary sense of duty and responsibility, for the assistance she gave to the Jews persecuted under the regime of General Antonescu. A very great lady indeed !
Title: Re: Your favorite balkan royals
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 18, 2009, 07:59:41 AM

And also for Bulgaria Boris III, and his wife Giovanna (di Savoia).

I agree my favourite also...Amazing tsar with a goodheart wife...
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on July 18, 2009, 08:01:06 AM
I dislike Ferdinand of Bulgaria....His son looks nothing like his father...totally different ruling and i dislike also a bit the son of Boris III ,Simeon II
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 18, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
I never liked Carol II for several reasons:

First, for his shameful conduct towards his wife Helen and son Michael left them loosely.

Then, to his escape just as miserable from Romania at the beginning of the Second World War.

I do not like her sister Princess Elizabeth, who seems to have been a nasty and selfish person.

I'm agree with you, I dislike Carol II for the same reasons, and also I'm agree with Elly too: I dislike Ferdinand of Bulgaria too.
Title: Re: Do you dislike a Balkan royal?
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 18, 2009, 12:34:56 PM
I also dislike Carol II but i cant help feel kinda attracted to him. :S


I Uber Dislike Elisaveta too
Title: Re: The Wittelsbachs that you dislike
Post by: Lilian de Rethy on August 06, 2009, 11:19:33 AM
I don`t like King Ludwig III.
He follows his father Prince Regent Luitpold in the same position, but he wants to be King.
Bavaria had a King, Otto!
Ludwig made usurpation!
Title: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: Russka Princess on August 14, 2009, 07:51:29 AM
 wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ??

Ernie and Ducky ? Ernie and Elenore ? Ella and Serge, Victoria and louis, Irene and Henry or Alix and Nicky ???  and Whyy ????





Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: Marie-Mathilde on August 14, 2009, 12:29:12 PM
Victoria and Louis. They were compatible and also complemented one another. I would say that their marriage was the most "normal" and stable. Alix domineered Nicky, and Ella and Irene had rather overbaring husbands. Of course Ernie and Ducky were very ill matched. And as for Ernie's second marriage, I can't say I know very much about that one, but knowing what I do about Ernie, I somehow doubt that it was particularly romantic in the traditional sense.
Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2009, 02:15:09 AM
Once we had a discussion about what to do with all these "who's your favourite" threads and the decision was to move all such topics to the Having Fun section.
Done.
Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: Russka Princess on August 15, 2009, 07:41:51 AM
 sorry about the moving the threads,

and yeah i think too,  that victoria and louis was the favoorite of all. Although he was much older than her. But sadly i dont know verz much about their Marrige. i know about irene, ella and alix. But i think Ernie and Elenore was a happy one too.

Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on August 18, 2009, 01:34:54 PM
I'd have to say Victoria and Louis
Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: Ally Kumari on August 18, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
From all the above the perfect pair for wme would be Nicky and Ella! :) Don´t kill me for that.
Title: Re: Wich Hesse Pair is ypur favorite ? and why
Post by: nena on August 18, 2009, 04:50:51 PM
Aah, Ally!

Well, Nicholas and Alexandra. Never before and never again.  ;-). Why? I can't explain. Simply because I admire them for the most.
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: SweetAngels on August 24, 2009, 11:43:50 AM
My favourits are Queen Astrid and her sisters Margaretha and Martha, but I also love our Queen Kristina, but I love most of our royal family even do those I have said is one of many of my favourite royalty.
Title: Re: Favorite Scandinavian Royals
Post by: Modena! on August 26, 2009, 02:18:39 PM
My favorites: Maude, Haakon & Olaf :-)

Yes, they seemed like a cute family.  ;D
Title: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on September 22, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
i saw a post and it was '' what french royal do you not like'' or something simliar..
i thought id change it n narrow it down to the following =

favourite french queen, princess, or princess of the blood;

my fave queen has got to be Marie Antoinette; fav princess has to Madame Infante, baptised Marie Louise Élisabeth de France (later duchess of Parma) and fav princess of the blood is prooobably Louise Élisabeth de Bourbon, ''princesse de Conti'' and grand daughter of Madame de Montespan..

[btw im just greeddy so did all three..you dnt have to :)....]

enjoooyy
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on September 22, 2009, 07:53:14 PM
SORRY PEOPLE I CANT SPELL..HOW EMBARRASSING! LOL! OBVIOUSLY MEANT TO BE *FRENCH* FEMALE!

Haahaaa =]

enjoyy
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 23, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
The mine is Marie Antoinette
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on September 23, 2009, 04:58:08 PM
Mariee Antoinette is amaazing =]
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: Grand Duchess Jennifer on September 23, 2009, 05:34:09 PM
Yes, but her story is also quite tragic.  :(

She's also my favourite. Maybe it's just the time she lived in, the horrible ending in store for her and the way she dressed that has got us interested in her. My favourite princess of the blood is Élisabeth de Bourbon, sister in law of Marie Antoinette.
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on September 23, 2009, 09:40:35 PM
i must confess..i dnt know much of our madame elisabeth except she was in the tower and was executed :(
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: ImperialHighness on September 24, 2009, 04:32:32 AM
I can only agree that Marie Antoinette is the most tragic and interesting french female. But I like her Lady of the Court, Madame Lamballe, too, who suffered such a tragic death during the French Revolution. And Madame de Pompadour, Madame du Barry, the Nesle sisters, well, all French love affairs of the King of France, but they had quite interesting lifes. Let s not forget Marie Antoinettes only surviving daughter. ;)
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: Ally Kumari on September 24, 2009, 05:00:49 AM
favourite French female?

Jeanne d´Arc.

Starts and ends right there :)
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: nena on September 26, 2009, 07:21:04 PM
favourite French female?

Jeanne d´Arc.

Starts and ends right there :)
I second this.  ;-) . She is Hero.
Title: Re: Favouriite Frech Female..
Post by: HSH The Duchess of Bourbon on October 07, 2009, 07:26:10 PM
naahhh

lool Marie Antoinette in our lives <3
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 16, 2012, 11:43:17 AM
Non-British rulers?

Haakon VII. Established a very solid Norwegian monarchy, was a pragmatic and unpretentious man, and led Norwegian resistance to Hitler.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: edubs31 on January 26, 2012, 09:06:01 AM
Due to her influence in my life the obvious choice is Anastasia. After all, it was the mystery surrounding her possible escape and survival that drew me to the Romanov's and the history of the Russian empire in the first place. I almost have to refuse picking a "favorite" though, at least amongst the sisters and Alexei. Just so much to love and admire about all of them, and their personalities were all so unique...flies right in the face of eventual communist USSR and what was almost an intentional commitment by the government to create citizens as carbon copies of each other...lifeless, faceless, drones.

One thing that continues to intrigue me about Anastasia though is how "modern" a child she seemed to be. I think if the who family had been time warped to 2012 it would Anastasia that would have the easiest, most seamless transition. There is just something about her adorable, prankster, almost diva-esque personality that, while not necessarily possessing as laudable of personality traits as some of her other family members, seems perfectly suited to the world of today. She reminds me of my niece Tarah (or perhaps I should say Tarah reminds me of Anastasia) who I adore and find as hysterical as I do precious...God bless them both!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 26, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with you as I find Anastasia quite the reverse of adorable!

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: edubs31 on January 26, 2012, 05:43:53 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you as I find Anastasia quite the reverse of adorable!

Ann

The reverse? Yikes...I hope that only extends to the point where you consider her to be a bit of a brat. Perhaps overly indulged and selfish? I probably agree with you so much as that I wouldn't ever accuse the post-adolescent Anastasia of being "sweet", lol. Elaborate please...
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 27, 2012, 03:29:49 AM
Spoilt, silly and a dreadful show-off! And loud - can anyone imagine Anastasia doing anything quietly?

Now I was a definite tomboy as a girl (still am really!). Liked climbing trees, playing football, had a train set. But in other respects I was quiet and quite shy - definitely a bookworm. It's not at all Anastasia's tomboy tendencies that make me dislike her, but everything else.

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: edubs31 on January 27, 2012, 09:02:17 AM
Spoilt, silly and a dreadful show-off! And loud - can anyone imagine Anastasia doing anything quietly?

Now I was a definite tomboy as a girl (still am really!). Liked climbing trees, playing football, had a train set. But in other respects I was quiet and quite shy - definitely a bookworm. It's not at all Anastasia's tomboy tendencies that make me dislike her, but everything else.

Ann

Like I said then, kind of a modern girl...so many of them think they're practically royalty, lol! Clearly not as "sweet" as my Tarah though who never the less has her cute little flaws. Men/boys are rarely the humble chivalrous debutantes we read about from yesteryear these days either. On the bright side far fewer of us are as smug, bigoted and chauvinistic either...
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: TimM on January 27, 2012, 11:38:17 PM
Tatiana is my favourite.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 28, 2012, 12:51:36 AM
I've always had a soft spot for Anastasia, because she was just like i'd like to be: rebel, strong, and most of all knew how answer back!
But i'm defintevely a Maria - type, and this time (i mean: this time i'm writing about them) i realized how much i've always liked maria, and now her chapters are the easiest - even easier than Anastasia's!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 29, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
One of the things that puts me off Anastasia is that I can't imagine her doing anything quietly.

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 29, 2012, 01:10:48 PM
One of the things that puts me off Anastasia is that I can't imagine her doing anything quietly.

Ann

Lol it's one of the things i love the most in her. Writing her chapters is such a fun - when i write of her and alexej together, i have to stop now and then because i found myself bent on the keyborad laughing madly.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: GrandDuchessIsabelle on January 29, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
If I may add to this discussion, Anastasia has always been my favourite, because she is so different to me. I like to think that opposites attract, so we could have been good friends and may even have been good for each other. Also, I think that she was beautiful in her own way; not as obvious as Maria or Tatiana, nor as gentle as Olga but still a very attractive and 'fresh' looking girl.
Olga is possibly most like me, so I have a soft spot for her too, and nobody could dislike darling Maria and Tatiana is so gorgeous that she is one of my favourite royals to colour, so I love all of them.
Otherwise, Princess Beatrice is my favourite (of course) and I am fascinated by Alix and her sister Irene too.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 30, 2012, 01:25:23 AM
Life with Anastasia would be exhausting because she was so loud!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 30, 2012, 02:55:54 AM
Life with Anastasia would be exhausting because she was so loud!

Uh, maybe it's better if we don't meet each other in real life... i could exhaust you LOL (now i'm grown up of course, since i'm 25, but i used to be a veeeeery noisy child)

I have to admit i have problems with Tatiana. It's not that i dislike her - on the contrary i find her so fascinating - but i can't understand her. I only see thr queenly and pretty girl, always trying to fix things and to make her mother be ok, but i'm sure there's something more beneath, that this one is only the façade, but still - i can really see beneath, like i manage to do with OMA and this makes me quite mad. I really CAN'T write T chapters. I skip them hiping fot better times, but till now, they all are blank.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Brassov on January 30, 2012, 05:28:06 AM
Least favorites..............Prince Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie. Why ? Lack of taste, bad and inappropriate behaviour ( that hat etc etc ! ). Everything about the whole family is wrong, wrong and embarassing, and they relentlessly continue to fail at every opportunity they have. The whole lot of them. Those girls are really the end product of being brought up by Sarah Ferguson. Living cartoons.   
 
Favourite.........Queen Margarethe of Denmark and Queen Elizabeth II.  For their great sense of duty, impeccable delivery, lifelong sacrifice, and respect for traditional values.  Lets hope it continues into the next generation.   
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 30, 2012, 06:51:48 AM
Maybe it's because one of my abiding memories of my youth is of constantly being told to be quiet, though I really don't think I was more than averagely noisy, if that. Uusually, the times when I was noisy was when I was trying to be quiet, and, being somewhat clumsy, fell over something.

Apart from Anastasia, Tatiana is my least favfourite of the girls because she was too much of a goody-goody for my tastes.

My favourite Romanov lady has to be Olga Alexandrovna - down-to-earth, unpretentious, and made a success of exile.

Other royal ladies - Alice of Athlone and Princess Marie Louise. The latter would make me smile, with her gin and tonic and calling everybody dear. But she was another who was hard-working and unpretentious.

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 30, 2012, 07:28:36 AM
Maybe it's because one of my abiding memories of my youth is of constantly being told to be quiet, though I really don't think I was more than averagely noisy, if that. Uusually, the times when I was noisy was when I was trying to be quiet, and, being somewhat clumsy, fell over something.

I know something about being clusmy... maybe that's why my favourite's Maria?




Apart from Anastasia, Tatiana is my least favfourite of the girls because she was too much of a goody-goody for my tastes.


My problem is, i'm sure that there was something beneath that appearance of a goody-goody but it's so hard to see it really.

I can't tell about other royals - i've always been focused on OTMA, and didn't pay attention to others. But i like Olga A; i read her book and loved it.  - on the contrary i do not like her sister Xenia. She tried to appear a goody - goody too (mama's favourite, the first one to marry in the family, so many children, she was the one who could have males, and all) but beneath she wasn't at all. So many lvoers, her daughter married to such a man (nothing against Yusupov, but i wouldn't marry my daughter to someone who has such a reputation) and even defended him after he killed Rasputin. Oh, i think Rasputin needed to be eliminated, but murder is murder.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 30, 2012, 07:47:56 AM
I'm not keen on Xenia either, but for different reasons. Unlike Olga Alexandrovna, she expected others to provide for her during her exile and really didn't do anything to help herself.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: edubs31 on January 30, 2012, 09:03:16 AM
Life with Anastasia would be exhausting because she was so loud!

I'm not sure Alexei minded so much...Nastya doted on and loved him. Not that the others didn't, but the bond here I think was stronger, owing in some part to their relative closeness in age of course. I always admire Anastasia for being something as uplifting spirit to her family in the worst of times...towards the end in particular. I guess I feel like she turned some of those personal foibles into strengths when it mattered most.

Though there is so much I adore about Olga her nerves seem to get the best of her in times of stress, which is essentially all there was for the family during their imprisonment. Admittedly Tatiana was probably the family MVP, acting as something of a liaison during this critical time period and really developing into the role of a family matriarch. But I think the best of Anastasia would becoming apparent as well.

It's also worth noting that, being a mere 17 where she was taken from us, that there was probably a considerable amount of personal growth that was still taking place in her. Agreed the 17-year old Anastasia was far "louder" then the 17-year old OTMs but never the less I think a different young lady could have emerged should she had lived to the age of Olga or even Tatiana.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: edubs31 on January 30, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
My favourite Romanov lady has to be Olga Alexandrovna - down-to-earth, unpretentious, and made a success of exile.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. A very impressive and admirable woman...one of my favs as well!
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 30, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
I'm not keen on Xenia either, but for different reasons. Unlike Olga Alexandrovna, she expected others to provide for her during her exile and really didn't do anything to help herself.

you know, i don't knoe much about her, and my previous statements were, I admit, a bit arbitrary; i've read a bio about Xenia (the one written by Van der Kiste&Hall) and I loved her fewer and fewer going on. But she made an awful impression on me, and i did not read anything else on her.

BTW, Ann, even if you don't like Tatiana & Anastasia, i enjoyed your little story about the dancing lessons very much. I really think you've cought them - they ways of being,
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 31, 2012, 01:19:40 AM
Sunny

Thank you for your kind comment about the dancing lessons. When I've written about the family, I've tried to stick to what is known and verifiable. My portrait of Alexandra is kinda hostile, but it's based on what is known.

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Sunny on January 31, 2012, 07:08:29 AM
Sunny

Thank you for your kind comment about the dancing lessons. When I've written about the family, I've tried to stick to what is known and verifiable. My portrait of Alexandra is kinda hostile, but it's based on what is known.

Ann

You're most welcome, Ann. I liked it and hope to read something else soon ;)
I can understand you about Alexandra - me too, writing of her, sometimes portrays her as hostile, even if i like her.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Petr on January 31, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
My favourite Romanov lady has to be Olga Alexandrovna - down-to-earth, unpretentious, and made a success of exile.

I agree although the end of her life was sad and difficult.  She was a a remarkable woman and what I would truly label "une Grande Dame".

Although a bit off point, I should also point out that many in the aristocracy who came from great wealth and lost it all still managed to somehow make ends meet (apart from driving taxis in Paris). Usually, the women fared better than the men (isn't that always the case) and were able to adjust more easily. Interestingly, many seemed to gravitate to the fashion industry opening salons (e.g., Princess Irina Yusupov (the House of Irfé), Grand Duchess Marie of Russia, who founded another Paris-based fashion concern, the embroidery house of Kitmir, Princess Lyubov Obolensky, Princess Maria Trubetskoy and Maria Annenkov, who owned the house of Tao on the Avénue de l'Opéra; and lesser but no less brilliant lights in the firmament of Russian/Baltic aristocracy, such as Baroness Cassandra Accourti and my great Aunt Helen and her sister Betty Buzzard, née Baronesses Hoyningen-Huené, who ran the influential houses of Ardanse and Yteb, respectively, and finally my paternal Grandmother and another Great Aunt -- cf., Alexandre Vassiliev's wonderful Beauty In Exile: The Artists, Models, and Nobility Who Fled the Russian Revolution and Influenced the World of Fashion), probably because they had been exposed to high fashion themselves and often developed refined tastes which was appreciated by the wealthy.  My paternal Grandfather never did fully recover from the change in his status and refused to give up his Nansen Passport and status as a Russian émigré.

Petr
       
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on January 31, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
Hello Petr

Thanks for this. I wonder whether the professional classes in general fared better than the aristocracy because they had skills which were in demand. Some years ago I did meet a gentleman named Paul Brennikov whose father had been a doctor in Russia before the Revolution. Brennikov senior became a GP in Liverpool and Paul himself read Natural Sciences at university, served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and eventually became a Professor of Town Planning.

There was also Herbert Swann, a member of an English family long domiciled in Russia, who was also a doctor. Again, he became a GP in England, and was the father of Donald Swann, well known here for comic songs (including 'Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud' and 'Have Some Madeira M'Dear').

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Petr on January 31, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
Dear Ann,

On balance I should think so but it would depend on the profession. Attorneys probably not because they would have to qualify all over again to be licensed and language would probably be a problem.  The laws and legal systems were also different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, although Germany had many of the same concepts as the Russian legal system.  Doctors were better off (apart from the language problem which was always an issue) since there is no difference in the human body from country to country although accepted practice methods may differ, but they still would have to qualify and take exams in most jurisdictions before they were allowed to practice.  Engineers were likewise lucky because math and science doesn't change from country to country.  Academics, assuming they possessed the appropriate language skills, could also make the transition many of them teaching history, literature and language (some establishing quite distinguished careers). Like you I also know examples of professional individuals who were able to make the transition.

I think those that had the toughest time were the aristocratic senior members of the military class hence the anecdotes of Russian Parisian taxi cab drivers and doormen who were former officers.  Obviously, I don't even mention the mass of emigres who really did suffer greatly.  There was a large group that went to Brazil with the promise of work who wound up as indentured servants working in the mines under horrid conditions.  In fact, the story of the Russian Diaspora is very interesting and perhaps merits a thread of its own. Like chaff in the wind White Russians were scattered all over the globe.     

Petr

P.s: I loved Donald Swann. Didn't realize he had a Russian connection. Likewise Dame Helen Mirren. Can't keep a good Russian down I always say.     
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kalafrana on February 01, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
If you can track it down (must be long out of print now) Herbert Swann's book is called 'Home on the Neva' and is very interesting. Lots about upper middle class Russian life before the Revolution.

Ann
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 01, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Hi,

Thanks Ann for reminding me of Donald Swann and "Have Some Medeira, M'Dear"......
Happy memories;  and now I'll be humming that song all day long!!!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 01, 2012, 11:23:01 AM
Hi,

As to my favourites in the Russian sphere:
Aunt Stanny:  GD Alexandra Iosephovna and
Aunt Stassie:  GD Anastasia Michaelovna and
Aunt Meichen: GD Maria Pavlovna....

All strong characters and worthy of the title "Grandest of the Grand Duchesses"....

Of course, my most favourite royal is the British Queen Elizabeth II - nobody can top her!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Petr on February 01, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
Aunt Meichen: GD Maria Pavlovna....

Dear Larry,

Unfortunately, GD Maria Pavlovna (the elder) maintained a salon which was a hot bed of oppositionists to the Tsar and his wife and carried on an active campaign of malicious gossip against them, that, in time of war, some could call treasonous.


Petr   
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Vecchiolarry on February 01, 2012, 06:35:13 PM
Hi Petr,

Yes I agree, she wasn't exactly 'politically correct' and was 'overly ambitious';  but that's what I like about her - she was controversial and interesting...

I am no longer interested in NAOTMAA, as they were dull, except for the Rasputin era...  My opinion.

I'm much more interested in some of the minor Romanovs and Russian nobles now.

Larry
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Chris_H on July 06, 2013, 04:06:22 PM
Favorites:
I really like Tsar Nicholas I and Tsar Alexander III
Nicholas I's wife Empress Alexandra
Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich
the Konstantinovichi branch, KR, his siblings and family
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaievich and the mikhailovichi
Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna

I have really tried to like Alix but I just don't like her.  I think she was a great mother and wife. 
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: Kassafrass on October 20, 2013, 02:10:01 PM
I'd have to say my two most favorite Romanovs are Olga Nikolaevna and Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar).

My reasons for loving Olga are very simple - she and I seem to be remarkably similar from what I've read. Readers and writers, with a sharp mind and the ability to perceive the world around us in a way that's different from others, to see the things that others miss. We're both the eldest of 5 children and could be very lazy and bossy and had a hot temper! She also had a tendency to get anxious and (I think) depressed and I have battled with both of those for years. We even both have an upturned nose, hehe. So I feel that I simply must love my dear Olenka because I identify with her so much.

Maria Feodorovna simply FASCINATES me. She was very lovely in her youth and I quite enjoy reading about her relationship with her husband. Her relationship with her children and Alix bring even more intrigue as well. A very interesting character.
Title: Re: Favorites and Least Favorites
Post by: AngelAnastasia on May 14, 2014, 01:22:49 AM
I love Nicholas II. So tender and delicately kind. And his eyes... stare at them for a minute, you might begin to cry. They're melancholically beautiful.
Best picture of his eyes: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919024@N07/14202898273/
Sydney Gibbes, English tutor to Nicky's children, said of him,
"He had a presence that was second to none, so full of quiet and assured self-possession and dignity.  But it never inspired fear.  The deepest senitment that it invoked was awe, not fear.  I think the reason for this was his eyes.  Yes, I am sure that it was his eyes, so wonderful were they...they looked you straight in the face with the kindest, tenderest, the most loving expression...His eyes were so clear the it seemed as if he opened the whole of his soul to your gaze, a soul that was so simple and pure that it did not fear your scrutiny...This was his great charm..."
When Matilda K was asked if she thought that Anna Anderson was truly Anastasia, she said that she thought so, because the woman had "Nicky's eyes."
Matilda was in her 90s when she was asked that; she remembered his eyes after over sixty years - that's incredible, I think.
And I love that he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously, what with his imitating an airplane, posing like a model on beaches, etc... he took goofier photos than Anastasia, actually (who, by the way, is a close second for my favorite).
Picture of Nicholas upside-down (example of his wonderful strangeness): https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919024@N07/14180177932/
And speaking of pictures, I love when Nicholas looks happy in photos. It makes you smile.
Empress Marie said that Nicholas was so pure of heart that he did not believe in evil. Alexandra's brother, Ernie, described him as "a saint and an angel."
In his personality, Nicholas really does remind me of Jesus, he's so lamblike (or Lamb-like in this case).