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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: ChristineM on May 29, 2005, 11:19:54 AM
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As reported in today's press, the Earl and Countess of Wessex are facing a dilemma over the health their only child, Louise.
Lady Louise was born with exotropia. Exotropia is a squint in which the eye turns outwards. It is a rare condition which requires surgery if it is not to be permanent.
The optimum time for surgery is before the child is two. Lady Louise will be two years old in November. After she was born there were concerns that the squint might indicate something more sinister. Louise underwent a battery of tests to ensure this was not the case.
Louise, who was born four weeks prematurely and weighted only 4lbs 9ozs, was transferred to a specialist paidiatric hospital and was separated from Sophie for 16 days while doctors fought to save life. Following internal haehorrhaging, she was transfused with 9 pints of blood.
Understandably, both Edward and Sophie are very reluctant about their little daughter being subjected to a general anaesthetic and to surgery during which the eye muscles are adjusted in order return the eye to the centre.
The Countess of Wessex is living through a stressful period. Her mother, Mary Rhys-Jones, underwent surgery last week to remove a tumour from her colon.
tsaria
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This is very sad, tsaria. I believe that there have been many advances in anaesthesia in the past decade or so which might make surgery less traumatic for the little girl.
Also, I know that the speed of recovery following eye surgery is quite amazing now (particularly for children). Let's hope this is so for Lady Louise.
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If any member of the UK Royal Family or their staff reads this forum please be advised that the thoughts and/or prayers of every member of the Alexander Palace Forum are with Earl & Countess of Wessex at this difficult time.
I (and I am sure my fellow AP Forum members are with) wish a speedy and successful recovery to Princess Louise, The Lady Louise Windsor.
TampaBay
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:'( I pray that she will be alright and that she gets the medical help that she needs and comes out of it happy and healthy.
I love Sopie she is so sweet and I feel terrible that this would happen to Lady Louise Windsor.
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Poor Little Princess Louise (Lady Louise Windsor)! :'(
god bless the little Windsor child.
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All this concern is sweet. However, the Wessex's are doing their duty in Portugal.
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All this concern is sweet. However, the Wessex's are doing their duty in Portugal.
Where is little Louise ???
TampaBay
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Here's a picture of her - it's not very clear but it's all very natural & very cute! :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/bluetoria/Louise.jpg)
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What a lovely photograph - thanks Bluetoria.
Robert, because the Wessexes are in Portugal, you surely cannot be implying that one should not think of, or pray for, the baby. Also for Sophie and her mother. I know they are not alone with their problems, but if I were in Sophie's shoes, I know where I would rather be.
tsaria
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Of course not, Tsaria. I was just mentioning that they are/were on an offiicial visit to Portugal. Actually, to honour that country's version of the Prince's Trust- Prince Henry [The Navigator] Fund.
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Thanks Robert
tsaria
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Latest on the Wessex'.
The Queen has appointed the Countess as CinC of the Lincoln and Welland Regiment [Canada] apparently as of the 13th Oct. last year.
In any case, She, the Countess will be traveling to Canada for a Review of the Regiment on the 5th June this year.
Seems this is a first CinC for the Regiment and the Countess' first military appointment.
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Certainly, Sophie seems to be quite a 'hit' with HM.
tsaria
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That's such a shame about Lady Louise's condition. :( I really hope it all goes well for the whole family.
I had wondered whether or not the Countess would get a military appointment; does Prince Edward have any?
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Found this elsewhere on the web. Sophie and Louise in Tuscany. How sweet.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sophieCRUISE010805_300x450.jpg)
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What a bonny little girl - do you not think that she has the look of the Windsor children?
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Yep, sure does.
I hope she doesn't inherit her mother's taste in shoes......
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All this concern is sweet. However, the Wessex's are doing their duty in Portugal.
Agreed :)
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Yep, sure does.
I hope she doesn't inherit her mother's taste in shoes......
Don't worry I am sure Sophie borrowed those from the Duchess of Cornwall.
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What a bonny little girl - do you not think that she has the look of the Windsor children?
Absolutely.
You know that picture in the Field book with QEII and Princess Anne as toddlers? It's the spitting image...
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Yep, sure does.
I hope she doesn't inherit her mother's taste in shoes......
Or hats....! ;D
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Does anyone know how recent the picture of Sophie and Louise is? Judging by the look of Sophie's tummy, those pregnancy rumors could be true...
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Yes, I thought that, too, Eddy Girl...!
Great minds think alike... ;)
Now that the rumour mill is going, the Palace will surely comment soon.
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Found this elsewhere on the web. Sophie and Louise in Tuscany. How sweet.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/sophieCRUISE010805_300x450.jpg)
Thank you Emmie,You are the best at finding these treasures and posting for our pleasure.This is a gem.So natural and at ease.The baby looks radiant.Sophie so relaxed and casual here,she strikes me as a natural sort,motherhood agrees with her certainly.God bless her and her family.Who cares about the sandals those legs and form are spectacular.This one may hold up well to the scrutiny of Royal life.She seems very much, her own person.My prayers for wee Louise.
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I think the photo is fairly recent (within the last few weeks or so).
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Does anyone know how recent the picture of Sophie and Louise is? Judging by the look of Sophie's tummy, those pregnancy rumors could be true...
Or too much pasta ;D Louise looks very sweet though and Sophie looks happy and relaxed
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That's such a shame about Lady Louise's condition. :( I really hope it all goes well for the whole family.
I had wondered whether or not the Countess would get a military appointment; does Prince Edward have any?
Prince Edward is Royal Honourary Colonel of The Royal Wessex Yeomanry, Colonel-in-Chief of the Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment, and Colonel-in-Chief of the Saskatchewan Dragoons.
On topic with the picture, I'm not a big fan of baby leashes... though hey may help to keep your child by your side, I think they make children look like your slaves. :-/
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Prince Edward is Royal Honourary Colonel of The Royal Wessex Yeomanry, Colonel-in-Chief of the Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment, and Colonel-in-Chief of the Saskatchewan Dragoons.
On topic with the picture, I'm not a big fan of baby leashes... though hey may help to keep your child by your side, I think they make children look like your slaves. :-/
They can be practical at times, Matjlav. Better this than a young, active child getting lost in a crowd...some children of this age cannot even be put on the ground without running off... :)
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My mother used a leash on me and it didn't have any lasting effect. I was the sort of child who ran across busy highways and dove into shopping store fountains. I think the leash/rein/leading string is necessary for safety and the parent's peace of mind!
That's the first picture I've seen of little Louise. She definitely has the look of the Windsors. It would be interesting to compare a close-up picture of her with her father, her grandmother Elizabeth and with Queen Mary as young children. I see a close facial resemblance down through the generations. But they say little children resemble their fathers most during the first year or two and can change a lot later.
Take a look at these:
Louise's great-grandfather with his brother and sister as preschoolers:
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs7/george6britain1895-5.jpg
Queen Elizabeth as a baby:
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs/queenelizabeth35.jpg
Princess Anne as a toddler:
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs5/anneengland22.jpg
Edward as a baby with his parents and siblings:
http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/gifs/elizabeth2england.jpg
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A leash was essential for my 3year old son.He was also the kind of active,impetuous child that would run out into streets,parking lots,ponds,oceans etc.Heedless to any direction or guidance,impervious to discipline of any description.He would simply laugh and run faster,turn the tables and try to exact discipline on me,or simply start screaming,wailing and crawling around on all fours like a dog.With the leash on ,the effect was complete.Some stared in horror and disgust,I could have cared less,give THEM an afternoon with this kid.He was so heavy and muscle bound(9 lbs at birth)any type of physical restraint was like wrestling an alligator.At 2 ,diaper changes were a workout,my husband would have to hold the legs and arms,while I steered clear of the rock hard headbutts and cleaned and diapered,unreal.Now,Joshua is age 5 .I am able to reason and rationalize with the youngster.However once again,they make these leashes for a purpose,they are not for docile,easy going,obedient children.They are for the flip side,only people with this personality type in the family or of accquaintance with this type will truly appreciate the desire to actually enjoy an outing with out,frantic searches for your lost child,screaming to STOP as the child darts out in front of an oncoming car,trying to hold a hand as the child refuses to reciprocate and a simple held hand must resort to a death grip as the child hits the ground and refuses to walk normally(this only happens crossing a busy street or parking lot)My son remembers alot of his shenanigans and just this morning was reminiscing about getting lost at a gas station.Honestly I can't even count the times ,strangers have walked up to me,my son HOLDING THEIR HAND!Looking at me with disapproval,saying"IS THIS YOUR SON?" ;D
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Great photos bookworm,you can see the resemblance.Wallis Windsor remarked on how beautiful Elizabeth and Margaret were as youngsters,when she met them.-D
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My mother never needed a leash with me . . . but then I wasn't a very active child.
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The practicality of a leash-type system, particularly with a royal child on vacation seems very obvious to me. One cannot have a little Lady running off, getting lost in foreign markets.
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My mother never needed a leash with me . . . but then I wasn't a very active child.
Prince,I was not aproblem either.But my brother(Joshua's Uncle Dennis)removed the wooden slats from his playpen (this was back in the late 40's)the pen was in the back yard area.He was only 10 months old and just learning how to walk,he took off to explore the neighbor hood.My mum was doing laundry and when she turned around he was gone.He is now 57 and still a pain in the @$$.
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Prince,I was not aproblem either.But my brother(Joshua's Uncle Dennis)removed the wooden slats from his playpen (this was back in the late 40's)the pen was in the back yard area.He was only 10 months old and just learning how to walk,he took off to explore the neighbor hood.My mum was doing laundry and when she turned around he was gone.He is now 57 and still a pain in the @$$.
LOL, Donielle! What a family you have! : - )
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The practicality of a leash-type system, particularly with a royal child on vacation seems very obvious to me. One cannot have a little Lady running off, getting lost in foreign markets.
Also something unpleasant could happen,with so much going on .It would be hard for an abductor to make off with a child attached to the mother.I know this is an unpleasant thought, but one that could be relevent.-D
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Just as I was thinking, Donielle. Better to banish those thoughts quickly however. Surely there are multiple detectives/security officers lurking in the shadows of that picture.
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Of course what am I thinking.Of course these people have to be surrounded with security.Thank goodness,she must be somewhat at ease knowing there are watchful eyes in her regard.-D
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A nice photo of the wee lass at Balmoral with gammy, gamps and her parents. Why is the Duke of E not wearing his kilt?
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/BalmoralQEIIDoEandWessexfamily.jpg)
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He doesn't want anyone to see his gammy knees . . . : - )
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Look at that precious angel in her little plaid dress.They all look so happy together,I'm glad the Queen can find solace after such resent tumultuous events.God Bless this family.-D(Sophie looks radiant,I'm telling you she is the one to watch,there is an understated elegance about this one !) ;D
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It is a very good pic of Sophie. One of the best I've seen.
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Coming into her own as a woman.The birth of a child is certainly momentous.She seems to have that natural poise that some are simply born with,I think as I have stated that she will only get better as time goes on.How wonderful to have such a prospect for the future.
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It would be nice to see the Countess become Queen; too bad that won't likely happen.
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That is such a lovely picture, I wonder when it was taken and I wonder if little Louise has had that squint sorted out yet, bless her cotton socks.
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I think Lady Louise is due for some sort of surgery on her eyes in the near future, unless she already had it done. I'm not absolutely sure at this point.
That picture of little Louise and her parents and grandparents is absolutely beautiful. Thank you for posting it.
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I don't think Louise has had surgery yet . . . but she will have to have it before November - i.e when she is 2.
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I don't think Louise has had surgery yet . . . but she will have to have it before November - i.e when she is 2.
Yes, I believe that was precisely what I heard, but as always, I was not sure if I had the right information. Thank you so much for confirming it. Let's hope that she has that surgery soon, and that it will be successful.
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Yes, I believe that was precisely what I heard, but as always, I was not sure if I had the right information. Thank you so much for confirming it. Let's hope that she has that surgery soon, and that it will be successful.
No prob. : - ) Always happy to help. I too hope Lady Louise soon has the required surgery and gets better.
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That baby is just precious.They obviously adore her.Our prayers for her operation.I have undergone a similar operation at age five,this was back in the early 60's in Boston by my eye doctor the late Dr.Cabot.The procedure at this time was relatively new ,it was successful.I have every confidence this angel will be just fine,God Bless them.-D
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It's a shame that the Earl and Countess and little Louise have to go through all this trouble... can't they just have a nice, successful birth with no complications? :(
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Given that she had an ectopic pregnancy in 2001, the Countess must have some gynacalogical problems (spelling)?
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I am sure that the thoughs and prayers of each member of this Forum are with the Wessex family for a healthy second child!
Let us have some more prayers and thoughts!!! They may be reading this forum as we blog!
I believe in the power of prayer and collective good thoughts and blessings!!
TampaBay
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Given that she had an ectopic pregnancy in 2001, the Countess must have some gynacalogical problems (spelling)?
Actually, people who have an ectopic pregnancy don't usually have any other problems, nor is it likely to be repeated.
However, if they had to remove the ovary where the ectopic pregnancy was, then she is left with only one and that makes it more difficult to get pg....
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I am sure that the thoughs and prayers of each member of this Forum are with the Wessex family for a healthy second child!
Let us have some more prayers and thoughts!!! They may be reading this forum as we blog!
I believe in the power of prayer and collective good thoughts and blessings!!
TampaBay
Nicely expressed. I am sure that well agree with these sentiments. :)
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Nicely expressed. I am sure that well agree with these sentiments. :)
Yes, I quite agree.
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I am sure that the thoughs and prayers of each member of this Forum are with the Wessex family for a healthy second child!
Let us have some more prayers and thoughts!!! They may be reading this forum as we blog!
I believe in the power of prayer and collective good thoughts and blessings!!
TampaBay
Oooh, yes, Tampa, so do I! Let's do our best.
Only...I'll probably be laughed off here...but what is 'blog'? ???
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Oooh, yes, Tampa, so do I! Let's do our best.
Only...I'll probably be laughed off here...but what is 'blog'? ???
Ooh, thanks Grace - I have no idea what that means either and I've been waiting for someone else to ask!!!
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"Blogging" is what we do on this forum talking about the royals. The "blog" is the AP Forum as a whole or a particular thread.
"Bloggers' are people who "jack-in" to cyber space via the net and post. However, this is not a "chat room" becuase we do not chat in real time.
TampaBay
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"Blogging" is what we do on this forum talking about the royals. The "blog" is the AP Forum as a whole or a particular thread.
"Bloggers' are people who "jack-in" to cyber space via the net and post. However, this is not a "chat room" becuase we do not chat in real time.
TampaBay
Thanks Tampa! And I think I can say that on behalf of Grace too!
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(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/Lady_louise.jpg)
This must have been when she was still brand-new.
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Emeraldeyes, I believe the picture you posted is from Christmas 2003. If I'm not mistaken, it was taken by Prince Andrew.
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Lovely picture, but boy, what a ghastly suit Edward's wearing!
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Lovely picture, but boy, what a ghastly suit Eddy's wearing!
I agree. The suit is pretty ghastly but the tie is simply deadly!
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I agree. The suit is pretty ghastly but the tie is simply deadly!
Yes, the tie is minging too - a lethal combination - a minging tie and a minging suit! Sophie looks mint, though.
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Yes, the tie is minging too - a lethal combination - a minging tie and a minging suit! Sophie looks mint, though.
You are so kewl ( I think they say....) - you have all the right lingo...and to think that we are the same age.... :(
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It's desperately sad and comes from watching the final night of Big Brother!
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Gracious me Richard and Martyn, the pair of you sound like my 17 and 18 year old sons.......GNARLEY as they would say (groovy/fab for the ageing hippies amongst us). you'll be wearing "hoodies" next -diamond encrusted of course!
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All reet, ding dong. This is off the scale.
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Actually, over here, we tend to say 'legend' about something we like, as in: that was legend!! : - ) Trust me, most of my friends say these things!
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All reet, ding dong. This is off the scale.
'Off the hook' is the term that I think that you mean.....
And we are yet again off topic!
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Gracious me Richard and Martyn, the pair of you sound like my 17 and 18 year old sons.......GNARLEY as they would say (groovy/fab for the ageing hippies amongst us). you'll be wearing "hoodies" next -diamond encrusted of course!
Quite partial to a hoodie...have several as a matter of fact...none with diamonds in yet though..... ;)
And now I am the one taking us off topic!
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Actually, over here, we tend to say 'legend' about something we like, as in: that was legend!! : - ) Trust me, most of my friends say these things!
I prefer 'UNTOLD'......as used by Bear in 'The Bear's Tale'.... ;)
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I prefer 'UNTOLD'......as used by Bear in 'The Bear's Tale'.... ;)
What does that mean? Some sort of 1960s slang? ; - )
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What does that mean? Some sort of 1960s slang? ; - )
No it isn't. Sad that you aren't a fan of Leigh Francis aka Avid Merrion, but perhaps it is on TV after your bedtime.......? ;)
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Please Martyn, you are leading us off topic and setting a bad example for youngsters like me! ; - )
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I decide that, not you.
I'm ready now. Back to the topic please.
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Yes, the tie is minging too - a lethal combination - a minging tie and a minging suit! Sophie looks mint, though.
Richard! I can't agree with your opinion on Sophie's appearance in this particular photograph.
I think she looks drab, drab, drab.
IMO, members of the RF not taking care with their personal appearance is worse than wearing a suit and tie like Edward's here! At least he's in a suit and tie, even if they are of dubious taste.
Sophie has a young baby here, yes, but it's not as if she has to cook and clean etc. like the rest of us.
A few minutes with the round brush and blowdryer, a little jewellery and makeup would have looked so much nicer.
Zap! Ouch! Off topic again.
Now back to Louise...
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I'm ready now. Back to the topic please.
Thank God we're getting back to using the Queen's English. This thread was getting as hard to decipher as the Queen's French. ;)
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The current issue of Royalty Monthly (I know a lot of people look down their noses on that publication but I really like the pics) is reporting that Lady Louise had the surgery to correct her eye problem. Methinks that we are going to start seeing more pictures of her soon.
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you have the magazine? some new photo? you can posted them, please.
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No I'm sorry, there are no new pics of Lady Louise in the mag. Just a short caption to a photo of the Earl and Countess stating that the surgery had been done in the summer and had been successful.
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oh, thanks :-*
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HRH Prince Edward,Earl of Wessex is on a four nation tour(from oct.7th to oct.19th) to Kenya,Seychelles,Mauritius and (is at present in-)South Africa,
where he was joined by the Countess of Wessex.
The tour promotes the International Award for Young People,a branch of the Duke of Edinburgh Award scheme.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5531.asp
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click&id=124&art_id=vn20061016021701738C409527
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This site has some great pictures for anyone who is interested.
http://worldroots.com/foundation/features/weddings/wedding.htm
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HRH Sophie,Countess of Wessex celebrated her 42nd birthday yesterday.
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Edward turns 43 today,march 10th.
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10th March 2007 - the 43rd Birthday of HRH The Prince Edward, The Earl of Wessex & The Viscount Severn, KG, KCVO, SOM, ADC(P)
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The Viscount
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The Viscount
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The Viscount
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The Viscount
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Garter Knight
The Viscount
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Good pictures of Prince Edward, I especially like the last one of the four siblings together.
Can the Earldom of Wessex and the Viscountcy of Severn by inherited by Princess Louise?
I think it would be nice for Princess Louise to be Countess of Wessex in her own right.
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Good pictures of Prince Edward, I especially like the last one of the four siblings together.
Can the Earldom of Wessex and the Viscountcy of Severn by inherited by Princess Louise?
I think it would be nice for Princess Louise to be Countess of Wessex in her own right.
I know where this is going to go, but I'll ask anyway.....isn't it better to call Lady Louise by the title her parents wish her to have and the title the sovereign has announced she will be referred to by than by the title we think is best?
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You can call her what you want, and I'll call HRH what I want - her legal title.
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Good pictures of Prince Edward, I especially like the last one of the four siblings together.
Can the Earldom of Wessex and the Viscountcy of Severn by inherited by Princess Louise?
I think it would be nice for Princess Louise to be Countess of Wessex in her own right.
Sadly Lady Louise can NOT inherit the titles given to her father. Of course there's nothing to stop a new Letters Patent ?? As Im sure you know, it has been confirmed and decided that upon the death of his parents - HM The Queen AND HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh... Prince Edward will be created DUKE OF EDINBURGH.... so perhaps by then, if Lady Louise is the only child of Edward & Sophie (as seems likely?)... well who knows??
The Viscount
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I thought Edward would be made Duke of Edinburgh as soon as Philip dies. But does both his parents have to be dead for him to be the new DofE? ???
I'm sure Princess Louise will be their only child. It was so difficult for Sophie even to have her. :(
I think new letters patent might come along giving Louise the right to be the 2nd Countess of Wessex. But probably not Duchess of Edinburgh (the 3rd).
Will Edward be called the 2nd Duke of Edinburgh? Or will it have to be a new creation not connected to the previous creation?
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I thought Edward would be made Duke of Edinburgh as soon as Philip dies. But does both his parents have to be dead for him to be the new DofE? ???
I'm sure Princess Louise will be their only child. It was so difficult for Sophie even to have her. :(
I think new letters patent might come along giving Louise the right to be the 2nd Countess of Wessex. But probably not Duchess of Edinburgh (the 3rd).
Will Edward be called the 2nd Duke of Edinburgh? Or will it have to be a new creation not connected to the previous creation?
When Edward married, it was announced that upon the death of both his parents, he would be created DUKE OF EDINBURGH. Otherwise if Prince Philip died tomorrow (God forbid)... technically the Dukedom of Edinburgh, the Earldom of Merioneth and the Barony of Greenwich would be succeeded by his eldest son and heir - HRH The Prince of Wales, and thus when he becomes King - the titles revert to the Crown. If HM The Queen died - HRH The Prince of Wales would immediately succeed, and thus any titles he had or subsequently inherited, also revert to the Crown. Also - as the title is heavily associated with Philip, it also makes practical sense for both of them to die and create a "break".
It was decided that a new Letters Patent would be issued. HRH The Prince of Wales has apparently already agreed to a new creation. After all is it is befitting that Edward becomes a Royal Duke, and he has continued the work of his father with the Duke of Edinburgh's Award Scheme. So as it would be a new creation, he would be the 1st Duke.
Its a shame that Edward & Sophie seem unlikely to have any other children. They look a loving family and Im sure they would really want more children, but not at the expense of The Countess' health.
The Viscount
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I thought Edward would be made Duke of Edinburgh as soon as Philip dies. But does both his parents have to be dead for him to be the new DofE? ???
I'm sure Princess Louise will be their only child. It was so difficult for Sophie even to have her. :(
I think new letters patent might come along giving Louise the right to be the 2nd Countess of Wessex. But probably not Duchess of Edinburgh (the 3rd).
Will Edward be called the 2nd Duke of Edinburgh? Or will it have to be a new creation not connected to the previous creation?
When Philip dies, Charles will become Duke of Edinburgh. Only when he becomes king and the title is 'merged with the crown' will it become available for a new creation. Edward will be (if he gets the title) first duke of this new creation.
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From the Royal website.... http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5586.asp (http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5586.asp)
The Earl of Wessex is the third son and youngest child of The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh.
Born in 1964, he was known as Prince Edward until his marriage, when he was created The Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn.
At the same time it was announced that His Royal Highness will be given the title Duke of Edinburgh in due course, when the present title now held by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown.
The Viscount
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courtesy of royalelement via the BRMB
The Wessex family with the little-seen Louise
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:) They are nice photos, but pity we can't see Princess Louise's face properly, due to the glasses.
Could anyone tell me why was Prince Edward not created a Marquess upon marriage? I know he was not created a Duke because he will get the title Duke of Edinburgh when it reverts to the Crown, but why was he made an Earl rather than the superior title of Marquess?
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Maybe because the title 'earl' is more familiar to most people than that of marquess. Just a thought. I don't think any royal has had 'Marquess' as their highest title in a long time. ???
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I thought it was his choice to be an Earl for the time being (until he comes Duke of Edinburgh) because it's a lesser title.
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Marquess is a lesser title than Duke as well. ::) But above an Earldom. Most Dukedoms have an Marquessate as well, which is used as subsidiary title for the eldest son and heir. Most Dukedoms were formerly Marquessates and then were upgraded to Dukedoms. The title of Marquess is quite familiar in Britain - it is to me! I was just reading about the Marquess of Bath before, he is so hilarious. :D
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Marquess is a lesser title than Duke as well. ::) But above an Earldom. Most Dukedoms have an Marquessate as well, which is used as subsidiary title for the eldest son and heir. Most Dukedoms were formerly Marquessates and then were upgraded to Dukedoms. The title of Marquess is quite familiar in Britain - it is to me! I was just reading about the Marquess of Bath before, he is so hilarious. :D
Well, you're not British though, are you? ??? Can any British posters here tell us how familiar the general public with be with the title Marquess?
Not all dukedoms have marquessates - the dukedoms of Edinburgh, York, Kent and Gloucester don't.
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I don't think the General (British) Public could care less what title he has. ;)
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Marquess is a lesser title than Duke as well. ::) But above an Earldom. Most Dukedoms have an Marquessate as well, which is used as subsidiary title for the eldest son and heir. Most Dukedoms were formerly Marquessates and then were upgraded to Dukedoms. The title of Marquess is quite familiar in Britain - it is to me! I was just reading about the Marquess of Bath before, he is so hilarious. :D
Well, you're not British though, are you? ??? Can any British posters here tell us how familiar the general public with be with the title Marquess?
Not all dukedoms have marquessates - the dukedoms of Edinburgh, York, Kent and Gloucester don't.
That's my point - I'm not British and am familiar with Marquesses, so why wouldn't British people be? Surely they know what they are? They are no more obscure than Dukes and Earls really. It just sounds more ''French'' perhaps. ::)
Most Royal Dukedoms don't have Marquessates as you kind of pointed out - nearly all the non Royal ones do. I don't know why the Royal Dukedoms don't, seems a bit strange to me. :-\
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The Dukedoms of Fife, Northumberland, Manchester, Lennox and Buccleuch have no marquessate, but the rest do, you're right. Maybe it's just a title that's gone out of fashion these days - I mean, since Edward is a prince, it makes no practical difference whether he's a duke, a marquess or an earl, since as a prince and HRH he outranks all of the above (except Andrew!).
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Basilforever, I can assure you that "The Great Unwashed"( ;D) of the UK really donot know or care. We have a great many other things to keep us awake at night. If you were to do a straw poll, a "Marquess" (Marquis) is a big tent that goes in your back garden for a really, really good party. ;)
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Well Marquess is pronounced ''Mar-qwess" so they wouldn't think it was a big tent if pronounced in that spelling. :P
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Oh, lighten up, it was clearly a joke. ::)
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::) ::) But actually I am being serious ;)
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I have taken a quick poll of my British friends- and universally they ask "Why are you bothering?"' They could not care less about this nonsense. Like Kimberly said, the impending road tax is far more relevant that what balderdash some flaky prince is called. BTW, my poll is cross-section, Labour, Tory Lib-Dem and even, shudder, SNP ! About 20 answers at last count. Lest anyone think I am an "outsider" to affairs British, I have lived in England for 3-6 months a year for 30 years and I DO pay taxes there. No one I know wishes the Wessex's harm, but the are pretty irrelevent to real life and they can call themselves whatever they wish.
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Thank you Robert.
I don't mean to be rude Basilforever, but we regularly have sick people sitting in ambulances in the parking bays of hospitals for upwards of 12- 18 hours, waiting for a trolley in the hospital corridor. Do you really think they while away the time thinking about Edward and his "Markwessness", or lack of?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already but if anybody is interested:
Thursday, 10th May 2007
The Earl of Wessex Trustee, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award International Foundation, will visit Los Angeles, United States of America from 10th - 13th May 2007.
Sunday, 13th May 2007
The Earl of Wessex Trustee, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award International Foundation, will visit San Fransisco and San Jose, United States of America from 13th - 15th May 2007.
Tuesday, 15th May 2007
The Earl of Wessex Trustee, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award International Foundation, will visit Dallas, United States of America from 15th - 17th May 2007.
:From Britsh Monarchy Page- http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page4056.asp?submitted=true&date=all&MRF=EW&fromDay=-+-&fromMonth=-+-&fromYear=-+-&toDay=-+-&toMonth=-+-&toYear=-+-®ion=&submit2=Submit:
-Duke of NJ
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Thank you Robert.
I don't mean to be rude Basilforever, but we regularly have sick people sitting in ambulances in the parking bays of hospitals for upwards of 12- 18 hours, waiting for a trolley in the hospital corridor. Do you really think they while away the time thinking about Edward and his "Markwessness", or lack of?
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Of course they don't. I never said THEY WOULD! In fact, I NEVER SAID PRINCE EDWARD'S TITLES WERE A MATTER OF NATIONAL CONCERN! I just asked a question on a forum of people who I thought might also be interested in such matters. Clearly I shouldn't have bothered. And Robert, you really wasted your time conducting your little survey, as I NEVER protested and said that everyone CARED about Edward being or not being a Marquess while he waits for his Dukedom, I just said that surely most British people are familiar with the title, and seeing as I often see Marquesses mentioned in newspapers and magazines, theywould be.
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Most people are not familiar with Marquess, they either think 1)It is French or 2)It is for ladies.
-Duke of NJ
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It is never a waste of time to ask one's friends for their opinion. What is a waste of time is dwelling on this silly topic.
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Most people are not familiar with Marquess, they either think 1)It is French or 2)It is for ladies.
-Duke of NJ
Marchioness is for Ladies, but you might already have known that.
This topic didn't start out silly Robert ::) .
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Its a pity your SNP supporter friend(s) failed to mention the Marquis of Bute, Robert.
The 2nd Marquis of Bute funded Charles Cameron's book - 'The Baths of Ancient Rome'. It was through its publication that Cameron was brought to the awareness of Catherine the Great. Many believe that Cameron's redesign of the Catherine Palace interiors is creatively and artistically the finest in the ensemble. Cameron also designed that most exquisite of buildings - The Grand Palace, Pavlovsk.
Johnnie Dumfries - the 7th Marquis of Bute - is a young(ish) well-liked man whose stately pile - Mount Stuart - on the Island of Bute, is worthy of a 'google.... and it was the venue for Stella McCartney's wedding.
However, apart from the segway above, I have to say 'what's in a name?'
tsaria
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A nice photo of the wee lass at Balmoral with gammy, gamps and her parents. Why is the Duke of E not wearing his kilt?
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/BalmoralQEIIDoEandWessexfamily.jpg)
Wow, the Queen looks so old in this picture.. I was quite amazed. I am so used to seeing pics of her with makeup and glitter, and here she looks like any other plain grandma Jane.
I must say that the Countess seems more gorgeous as she ages...
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She is not that old, she was born on January 20, 1965. She seems to be coming into her role as a daughter-in-law of the Queen, she is becoming more comfortable in her position.
-Duke of NJ
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She is not that old, she was born on January 20, 1965. She seems to be coming into her role as a daughter-in-law of the Queen, she is becoming more comfortable in her position.
-Duke of NJ
I didn't mean she was old, as she is obviously is in her 40s. I just meant that I think as she ages she has become more and more attractive.
Regards
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Its a pity your SNP supporter friend(s) failed to mention the Marquis of Bute, Robert.
The 2nd Marquis of Bute funded Charles Cameron's book - 'The Baths of Ancient Rome'. It was through its publication that Cameron was brought to the awareness of Catherine the Great. Many believe that Cameron's redesign of the Catherine Palace interiors is creatively and artistically the finest in the ensemble. Cameron also designed that most exquisite of buildings - The Grand Palace, Pavlovsk.
Johnnie Dumfries - the 7th Marquis of Bute - is a young(ish) well-liked man whose stately pile - Mount Stuart - on the Island of Bute, is worthy of a 'google.... and it was the venue for Stella McCartney's wedding.
However, apart from the segway above, I have to say 'what's in a name?'
tsaria
I'm very familiar with the Marquesses of Bute. They are descended from William IV directly through his daughter Elizabeth, Countess of Erroll. They have the most amazing Gothic Mansion, a Palace I suppose it is. Each Marquess has been rather notable, including the present, but the Third Marquess, well when reading about him I was amazed by his accomplishments, and the 3rd Earl of Bute was the Prime Minister of course and was a great friend and mentor of George III, before they parted ways, however he remained very close always to the Dowager Princess of Wales - Augusta. It seems some of the most well-known Marquesses start with B- Bath, Bristol, Bute.
Anyway, before all this, I was originally trying to suggest that it would have been good for Prince Edward to have been made a Marquess while he waits to become a Duke, but as he apparently wanted just to be created an Earl, then it's fine.
I agree with the comments about Sophie - I think she is becoming more beautiful and attractive as time goes on, getting older has only improved her, or perhaps it is motherhood as well.
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If the Earl was to be made Duke of Edinburgh upon the present Duke's death, knock on wood, will the dukedom eventually abey (is that the right term?) if the Earl has no sons? OR will the letters patent create a remainder to his brothers, namely Charles, thus reverting back to the Crown?
Regards
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He will definitely be created the Duke of Edinburgh, see earlier in the thread. If he has no sons, which he almost definitley won't, the dukedome will be become extinct, (the right term), and this will be the case unless a remainder is put in for his daughter Louise. When a Peerge becomes extinct it reverts back to the crown. Charles will be King, he won't be Duke of Edinburgh.
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Basilforever, I can assure you that "The Great Unwashed"( ;D) of the UK really donot know or care. We have a great many other things to keep us awake at night. If you were to do a straw poll, a "Marquess" (Marquis) is a big tent that goes in your back garden for a really, really good party. ;)
Oh dear,for a sec I thought you referred to Bath,you know,"big tent",really good party,wifelets,and he's certainly among "The Great UNWASHED" ::)
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I think he's rather funny, thank God there are still some proper eccentric aristocrats like him. :D Apparently his son Viscount Weymouth is the complete opposite and strongly disapproves of his father.
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The BBC seems to have a new title for Sophie. Or, shows how much attention they pay to them. Pity about the piano though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6541457.stm
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I'm wondering if Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex will have anymore kids? Louise is four now?
Is anyone else curious too? ???
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I doubt it - they're both in their 40s, usually the age when people have stopped thinking about kids (unless they have none).
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I agree with Lieven. They seemed to have difficulties having their one child (whom we almost never see) so they are probably just very grateful to have Louise. Increasingly, one seems to be enough for some families anyway. :)
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I also have some doubts. Louise was delivered prematurely which was a cause of great anxiety for both Queen Elizabeth and the parents. I agree with Grace and Lieven, they're probably thankful for what they have. Although you never know!
Regards,
Mary R.
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Also, if Louise rumored eye problem is genetic, that may be yet another reason that Edward and Sophie would decide against other children.
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Quite possibly, yes. Do we think the Wessex's decision that no official photographs of Lady Louise are released and the fact that she seems not to be present at official royal events (where other royal children of a similar age were present) is simply due to them wanting their daughter to grow up as unaffected by her position as possible or that it is more to do with suspected health problems?
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What would her suspected health problems be, I wonder. Her eye problem was a "Squint" wasn't it?
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Supposedly, yes. It is a bit of a mystery though. ???
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Louise did have surgery so it seems to be pretty serious.
I think Grace is right that they don't want her to grow up in the press and that is why she is styled Lady Louise Windsor and kept out the the media. After seeing her couisns, they seem to be making a good choice!
-Duke of NJ
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Actually, squint repair is very common and is usually day surgery. I agree with you Duke of NJ, good choice, poor kid can have a "normal" upbringing.
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Sophie went through a very difficult pregnancy and nearly died. She may not be able to have another child. The couple were photographed with Louise earlier this year during a skiing trip ... They posed for photographers.
Louise did have surgery so it seems to be pretty serious.
I think Grace is right that they don't want her to grow up in the press and that is why she is styled Lady Louise Windsor and kept out the the media. After seeing her couisns, they seem to be making a good choice!
-Duke of NJ
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Much of this was already discussed in the existing thread on Edward and Sophie so I'm merging the 2. The photos Marlene mentioned were shown in this thread--page 7.
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Much of this was already discussed in the existing thread on Edward and Sophie so I'm merging the 2.
Was it? Sorry - boy, my brain really IS on the way out. ::)
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Don't worry about it--no big deal. :) My brain left the building a long time ago. :P
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Official portrait of Sophie in her position as Colonel-in-Chief of the Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps (from their website):
(http://www.army.mod.uk/img/qaranc/qaranc_assn/col_in_chief.jpg)
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How hard - not at all flattering.
tsaria
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She does look quite royal though. The hand on the chair is great...I wish they would take more pictures like they did before
(Couldn't she have put the pocketbook down ???)
-Duke of NJ
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Not the best facial expression... and the pocketbook has got to go. The dress is not my favorite either.
Mary R.
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It looks like she was on the way to McDonalds or someplace and they said, "Could we get a photo of you" so she grabbed onto the first chair and stood there, unhappy because she was missing her lunch.
-Duke of NJ
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It almost looks as if she's smirking or gloating! Not at all in character for her.
Mary R.
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It almost looks as if she's smirking or gloating! Not at all in character for her.
I think it looks like she tried to put on a dignified expression but it just didn't come out right. I wonder why they didn't retake the pic?
-Duke of NJ
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Long, lank hair doesn't quite work with regal 'style'. The tiara - the provenance of which I'm sure many of you will be familiar - looks like it has been thrown on at the last moment. Quite frankly, I think it looks ridiculous, unnecessasry and out of place - literally and metaphorically.
Increasingly I am beginning to understand many posters' admiration for the late Queen Mary. She had royal style in abundance - everyone else has been second best... at best. Even our own Queen who I admire, respect and love, doesn't carry it off like her grandmother.
Why doesn't Sophie flick through a few old photo albums and check it out for herself. She might not pull it off, but she could get a lot closer.
What annoys me is that the 'regal look' is part of the deal - a major element of the job. They just don't seem to get it. Diana did - to an extent. Princess Alexandra too, but she has largely withdrawn from public life. The Queen is not remotely interested in her jewels. I'm sure she respects their beauty and their associated history, but one can sense they are not high in her priorities. But she knows these go with the job and there is nobody on the face of the earth more aware of the responsibility of position and role than H.M. Queen Elizabeth II. As for Camilla - perhaps she is now too old to even begin to acquire the 'look'. The signs of early onset of osteoporosis don't help at all in the deportment department.
We will just have to wait and see whether or not the next generation captures the quality. I thought Kate Middleton did have the makings of it.
tsaria
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Absolutely! Queen Mary was one of the few who made a dignified and impressive face without looking hauty. I think Sophie didn't quite catch on for this portrait. I have tried to find a more flattering one but have not succeeded. Does anyone have one?
Mary R.
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That is absolutely the worst "Royal" picture I have ever seen! I'm shocked that they would put it on their web site in an official capacity. Her hair looks AWFUL.....besides the expression on her face. She looks better with short hair in my opinion.
I like her.....I feel sorry for her if she thinks this is a good picture.
Arleen
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Exactly Arleen, if this photograph is the best of the bunch - hate to think what the others were like. Even her mascara looks smudged.
In fact if this photograph had not been identifited as the Countess of Wessex, I don't think I would have recognised her.
tsaria
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If Sophie had swept up her hair - that colour and under a t'ra - then a goodly chunk of the AP/Diana sect would start on the same-old Diana-wannabe and Diana-comparison tiresome stale and frankly crumbling-by-now sheepdag. Again.
I always positively associate the Royal family with solid, classy everyday 'dowdiness' too (as they were during my pre-Diana/glamour childhood) - only to me what the tabloids so name I think is a well-reasoned not-giving-in to unflattering transient fashions. Everyday pics of Diana in 1983, for example, looked terribly dated within a couple of years - like a High Street schoolgirl with wildly expensive impulse buys. And as for now, against the current streamlined tastes which are of course the be-and-end-and-best as all styles inevitably are the day they come out. Oh my..
Take the same year (for eg.) and the now Princess Royal's (for eg.) unobstrusive outfits - beautifully cut and of the best stuff - which flattered her figure and tastes; comfortable and suited to the 'job' and how her kit has served her far far better in the personal fashion history stakes, for those reasons alone.
I'm so please I ignored the prevailing fashion of the early 80's (pencil skirts with slits up each thigh on the way out, coupled with newly-in piecrust frilly collars. Ugh Ugh Ugh. Thanks, Pcss of W and The Maggietollah alike for the latter) when making my secondary school skirts and selecting matching toprags. A-line was out of style then but it suited my dumpy adolescent figure as well as it suits my somewhat less dumpy but by now pre-menopausal one. Not to mention the 'slimming' high v-neck shirt...
The Countess of Wessex is battling considerable difficulties since before Louise's birth and if she's not been looking up to par, who can be surprised? I remember my hair falling out by the handful during an especially stressful time :'( :-[
And although I'm too dumb to be anything other than psychologically bombproof so I don't want to think what these troubles could have done to Sophie on top of the other 'Welcome-to-the-Windsors!' horrors she's been up against.
If we can't be gracious enough to be entirely positive and supportive (and if a Wessex-negative and anyway generally overly-critical and comprehensively-miserable ratbag like me can feel this way....) then please, lets just leave her and her hair and her clobber and all the bits you'd hate to have to dissected to hell and back yourself, the blessed well BE.
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"'Welcome to the Windsors' horrors' - well that's a distinctly unkind remark, given that that Sophie Wessex is reputed to be the Queen's favourite.
Of course we all have our bad days. A number of us girls posters here have endured what Sophie has endured (and much worse). We are not being critical of Sophie. We don't know her. Any criticism is levelled at her appearance as a member of the royal family. As Arleen said - surely there were other photographs which could have shown this attractive woman in a better light - literally light. The lighting too is terrible. Her fashion adviser should be sacked as should her hairdresser. I think tiaras are very outmoded, but that does not forgive a hairdresser or a photographer producing a picture with a priceless tiara about to slide off a head which does not seem to have been prepared for a major photographic session.
The Earl and Countess of Wessex are in receipt of an annual allowance which, to most of us, represents a small fortune. Little is expected in return. Appearing the part is a small expectation.
tsaria
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This discussion is difficult and complicated becuase we are not judging Sophie as a person but as a princess. I think the two Marie's (Missy & her mother) summed it up best when they stated, "it is part of a princess's job to please the public's eye".
You do not need to be beautiful to do this. Old Emerald & Diamond Drawers, Cookie and Wallis are proof of this. These women were not beautiful but they had a style all their own. Sophie needs to find a style, a good stylists and hair dresser then stick with it.
No doubt looking good is much easier if you are Queen Alexandra, Princess Michael of Kent or Diana but there is no excuse for not trying to look you best if you are a princess.
As for being dowdy; there is nothing wrong with dressing dowdy if it is done well. QEII and Camilla are both excellent examples of dowdy "to the max" done well.
TampaBay
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Take the same year (for eg.) and the now Princess Royal's (for eg.) unobstrusive outfits - beautifully cut and of the best stuff - which flattered her figure and tastes; comfortable and suited to the 'job' and how her kit has served her far far better in the personal fashion history stakes, for those reasons alone.
Princess Anne is another princess who does dowdy very well. Anne definitely needs a new hair dresser if she ever had one to begin with but her official portraits especially in her twenties were absolutely perfectly royal and some even wonderful such as the engagement photos.
TampaBay
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From a contact of many, many years ago, I know Princess Anne hated her hair. She would have it perfectly arranged and, as she said herself, 'within minutes it would frizz'. She admitted that for years her hair caused her consternation and tried everything to control it, but with no success. So far as I know, she has 'done' her own hair for many years now. She probably has it trimmed by a hairdresser, but even that, I cannot say with certainty. She is more than capable of tackling it herself.
tsaria
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There's no head of hair that can't be tackled and conquered these days. I think Anne simply can't be bothered making the effort and, with her type of hair, it would need to be a sustained effort also. The colour is wrong for her as well.
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How hard - not at all flattering.
tsaria
She hasn't looked that rough since right after the infamous "Sheik" debacle.
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I personally like Sophie and can honestly believe that she and the Queen would get on well. The portrait doesn't reflect who she really is; which is unfortunate!
Mary R.
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Prince Edward,Earl of Wessex at the Falklands,yesterday:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1182144970.html
Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
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Edward and Sophie are expecting another baby in December.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273239,00.html
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Oh, that's so nice for them. :) After the ectopic pregnancy and then the near-tragedy of Louise's birth, hopefully this pregnancy will go smoothly for them.
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How wonderful! Hope everything goes well for them! :)
Mary R.
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That's nice for them. I wonder if they used fertility treatments, given her age and past difficulties? Hopefully everything will go well and the pregnancy and delivery will be uneventful. It would be nice if they had a son to carry on the title of Duke of Edinburgh.
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A link to the story on the Hello! website.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/07/02/sophie-edward-baby/ (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/07/02/sophie-edward-baby/)
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I like this couple very much and their charming daughter. I was thrilled to hear that the Countess is expecting another baby in December. I had almost given up the idea that this would ever happen for Edward and Sophie. What a wonderful Christmas present for all of them. I rather hope it is a boy, but a little girl I am sure would be equally welcome.
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I really haven't seen much about Edward and Sophie of late. I hope that the Countess will have a trouble free pregnancy this time. It would be nice to think it would be a little boy although a little girl would be equally delightful. What a lovely Christmas present for The Queen and Prince Philip to look forward to in their Diamond Wedding anniversary year.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3DhVBqXobU&mode=related&search=
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I have been back-reading this thread and I have only one question about all of the titles that were discussed.
Why, since Edward is already a prince, why does it matter if he is an Earl or a Duke or a Marquise (pronounced marqwesse)?
Doesn't the title of prince supersede all the others? Or does it have to do with income from the duchy or a proper title for the prince's wife? Or proper titles for the prince's children?
I remember that Anne, was not created Princess Royal until later in her life, but Vicky (QV's daughter) was Princess Royal from birth. And Anne's children are lord and lady, but Andrew's are both princess? Is that because the title follows the father's line? Just why does each royal child of the ruling monarch, or descendant there of, have not only the title of prince but also a dukedom?
I guess that is more than just one question ???
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I remember that Anne, was not created Princess Royal until later in her life, but Vicky (QV's daughter) was Princess Royal from birth. ?Naming one's daughter the Princess Royal is at the sovereign's discretion. Queen Victoria chose to name her daughter Princess Royal at birth, while Queen Elizabeth chose to name her daughter in 1987. There can only be one Princess Royal at a time and the queen's aunt, Princess Mary, held that title until her death in 1965, so Anne could not have been created Princess Royal at birth regardless (she was born in 1950).
And Anne's children are lord and lady, but Andrew's are both princess? Is that because the title follows the father's line?
Yes, titles go through the male line. Because Peter and Zara Phillips' father has no title (though one was offered to him) they hold no titles themselves. They aren't lord and lady -they're just Mr. Phillips and Miss Phillips. Beatrice and Eugenie of York have titles because their father is titled.
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'Prince' is the higher rank certainly but if the Sovereign choses to bestowe them with another title,they are usually refered to that way.The Duke of Kent is Prince Edward,The Duke of Glouster is Prince Richard.Those two gentlemen are princes because they are grandsons of a King through a direct male line.Their princely titles run out with the present generation.Their sons will be Dukes but not princes,but still royal Dukes I suppose you might say.Interesting how historically these titles have never lasted for more than a generation or two.Perhaps that is changing now.If Edward as no sons will the Wessex title be preserved I wonder?In the past it would not but perhaps the Queen will decree the title through the female line,rather like the Mountbatten title.
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If I am not mistaken, this situation arose because originally only the Sovereign's eldest son and heir was styled Prince, while younger sons and daughters were often addressed more informally. From the time of Edward III, nearly every younger son of a King who survived to adulthood was created a duke.
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The children of the Princess Royal have no titles whatseover. He is Mr.Peter Phillips and she is Miss Zara Phillips. They take after their father and not their Mother. The children of The Earl and Countess of Wessex are given titles according to the daughter of son of an Earl hence Lady Louise Windsor and if there is as the next child a son he will be Viscount Severn (the lesser title of his father) - decided by HM The Queen.
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What are the subsidiary titles for the Duke of Edinburgh since the Earl of Wessex (and any of his future sons) would be the holders of those titles? Since the Prince of Wales is the current Duke's oldest son, do he and Prince William currently hold those titles?
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Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich from memory. They are his titles only.
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Yes, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich were the titles given to him at the same time as his marriage. As far as I can tell, they were created especially for him and have no historical connection. When Prince Alfred was created Duke of Edinburgh he was given the subsidiary titles of Earl of Kent & Earl of Ulster but they are now associated with the Kent dukedom. Has it ever been said for sure that the Dukedom will pass to Edward or has it just been speculation?
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Yes, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich were the titles given to him at the same time as his marriage. As far as I can tell, they were created especially for him and have no historical connection. When Prince Alfred was created Duke of Edinburgh he was given the subsidiary titles of Earl of Kent & Earl of Ulster but they are now associated with the Kent dukedom. Has it ever been said for sure that the Dukedom will pass to Edward or has it just been speculation?
From the royal family's website:
Upon his marriage to Miss Sophie Rhys-Jones in 1999, he was created The Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn. At the same time it was announced that His Royal Highness will be given the title Duke of Edinburgh in due course, when the present title now held by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown.
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That certainly makes sense. Thanks! :)
Mary R.
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Thanks for the clarification, Taren. It's been discussed on other boards with some people saying that nothing was set yet but this seems to make the matter very clear. :)
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Well let's not write off the old and current Duke of Edinburgh yet. I doubt Edward is in a hurry to see his father die. Nobody would be.
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Yes, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich were the titles given to him at the same time as his marriage. As far as I can tell, they were created especially for him and have no historical connection. When Prince Alfred was created Duke of Edinburgh he was given the subsidiary titles of Earl of Kent & Earl of Ulster but they are now associated with the Kent dukedom. Has it ever been said for sure that the Dukedom will pass to Edward or has it just been speculation?
From the royal family's website:
Upon his marriage to Miss Sophie Rhys-Jones in 1999, he was created The Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn. At the same time it was announced that His Royal Highness will be given the title Duke of Edinburgh in due course, when the present title now held by Prince Philip eventually reverts to the Crown.
Actually the Earl of Ulster is associated with the Gloucester dukedom
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yes in its present creation .. Grand Duchess was referring to when it was attached to Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburg .. the son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert
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Edward and Sophie last night at the birthday bash of CP Alexander:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=30&id=16341&zoektype=2&search=01-09-2007%20Apeldoorn
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Edward and Sophie last night at the birthday bash of CP Alexander:
http://www.ppe-agency.com/preview.php?start=30&id=16341&zoektype=2&search=01-09-2007%20Apeldoorn
Edward's clothes don't seem to fit him properly. Sophie's dress, well I suppose it's a step up from something her two York nieces would wear.
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Thank you for the picture, Lucien. I tried to get a peek of Sophie's 'bump' at the Diana memorial, but she always seemed to be holding her handbag protectively over her tummy. I'm so pleased they're expecting again. She looks beautiful and blooming.
Ok, now it's time for the catty comments about Sophie's dress choice, weight and hairstyle from the middle aged women of the forum who never have the guts to post their own pictures on here for us to criticise.
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Mrs. Eddy,
There is nothing wrong with Sophie's dress in the above picture. Ths blue shaw wrap appears to be a little off color from the blue in the dress but that is probably due to the lighting of the photograph. I think Sophie looks very nice and age appropriate.
In the past, Sophie has dressed too old IMO.
TampaBay
(aka Middle Aged Woman #1) LOL! LOL!
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Phew. That went better than I thought! It just seems that every time a picture of Sophie is posted, the same 3 or 4 culprits have to have a go. They simply CAN'T RESIST! I've seen some personal pictures of some of these repeat offenders and believe me, they're nothing to write home about, and they dress like they're off to a church picnic. Let she who is without sin cast the first stone!
P.S. Please blame the pregnancy hormones for my cattiness!
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Phew. That went better than I thought! It just seems that every time a picture of Sophie is posted, the same 3 or 4 culprits have to have a go. They simply CAN'T RESIST! I've seen some personal pictures of some of these repeat offenders and believe me, they're nothing to write home about, and they dress like they're off to a church picnic. Let she who is without sin cast the first stone!
P.S. Please blame the pregnancy hormones for my cattiness!
Mrs. Eddy,
Let me assure you that I have never dressed as if I was going to a Church Picnic even when I was actually going to a Church Picnic! LOL! LOL!
My main bone of contention with Sohpie is that she could dress much more fashionalble with the resources at her disposable and that many times her clothes look ill-fitting as if she borrowed something from a friends closet which therefore could not be altered for a custom fit.
TampaBay
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Dear Tampa,
I think you make an excellent point. The ladies who are discussed in terms of fashion have resources at their disposal most of us could never dream of...and also have access, like the rest of the real world, to seamstresses who can make alterations to make any "off the rack" outfit fit the person wearing it as well as proper undergarments. Clothes are part of any job, and for the women under discussion they are "part of the job"---unlike mere mortals showing up "off duty" at a Church Picnic.
What any of these women would choose to wear at a private barbeque at Balmoral has never been under discussion---it is how they choose to present themselves in their public roles. Biblical injunctions against casting the first stone seem rather heavy duty in terms of the inherent nature of the topic of Fashion where it concerns women who have access to all the things it takes to make them look their best and for whatever reason choose not to utilize that access. You can sit next to me anytime at the Middle Aged Ladies Table At The Church Picnic! I suspect our table will also be jollier than the Superior Serious Table across the lawn---as well as better dressed!
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When it comes to being Royal, clothes are more than part of the job, clothes are "75% of the job".
What I do not understand (and I am sure Martyn can enlighten me as he is somewhat in the fashion industry and deals with famous Divas every day) is why a person cannot look their best when every styling tool is at their disposal for free or almost free.
Aside from Mrs. Timothy Laurence, who simply does not care, any female Windsor be she Royal or just a member of the family has people knocking down her door to be the "official" hairstylist, fashion stylists, life coach, foundation garment supplier, cobbler or make-up artists. The free publicity is worth more to the fashion craftsman than any invoice presented to the Windsor client.
I can accept Mrs. Timothy Laurence's "I do not give a damn" attitude becuse I am a work horse not a clothes horse, but I cannot accept the "I tried but cannot get it right" attitude.
If any Windsor woman needs help she should just go to QEII and ask for help or names becuase Elizabeth has been getting it right for the last 10 years after mucking it up from 1970 thru 1997 or to Princess Michael who knows all there is to know abour freebies. QEII and Princess Michael have found the right people to help them. The other Windsor women should get busy and find the right fashion help too. Sarah York included!
TampaBay
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Maybe Sophie is secure in herself and doesn't feel the need to be a clothes horse. She's very gracious, she smiles and gets the job done. Some people are never happy. If the royals are too extravagant or too dull, people complain. It's very hard to please everyone all the time.
P.S. When you ladies are finished with your picnic, maybe you would be so kind as to show the rest of us fashion challenged people some pictures from your wardrobe and share your beauty hints with us! ;-)
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Indeed I hope Sophie is comfortable with herself - its the best way to be in you can manage.
However, I do think, in her own mind, she tries to be fashionable - even almost 'fashion leader'. How else is it possible to explain away the headgear she has accreted over the years - none of which I have ever soon worn twice. I cannot imagine she has a stylist. Nobody in their right mind would allow her to set foot outside her door in those hats. She has a mad milliner, in whom she trusts.
tsaria
PS: I don't like the dress she is wearing above. There is nothing that chimes for me in it. AND I loathe overblown, flowery fabrics.
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I remember reading a long time ago that QE II asked the Head editor of Vogue (whom I think she is dead now and I cannot recall her name) to help Diana find her style and give her some fashion must and must-not's. I do not know if it was Diana's decision or Queen Elisabeth's but we all know the result. Of course Diana had a fabulous sense of fashion & style and I'm not saying Sophie does not have it but she could need the help.
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She has a mad milliner, in whom she trusts.
This guy?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/MadHatter.jpg)
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I remember reading a long time ago that QE II asked the Head editor of Vogue (whom I think she is dead now and I cannot recall her name) to help Diana find her style and give her some fashion must and must-not's. I do not know if it was Diana's decision or Queen Elisabeth's but we all know the result. Of course Diana had a fabulous sense of fashion & style and I'm not saying Sophie does not have it but she could need the help.
Valmount,
You are correct. I believe the Vogue Editor was Liz Tilberis who later became the editor of American Harper's Bazaar. Diana sister Sarah also worked for Britich Vogue at one time.
Sophie tries but is not hitting the mark. As a mattter of fact, she is not even hitting the target. She needs help. Like tasria, I do not care for the dress in the last picture but it is an improvement over many of her fashion ensembles.
TampaBay
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Was I the only one who thought Sophie was wearing a flying saucer on her head at the memorial service for Diana?
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Sophie & Edward last saturday:
http://troonopvolgers.web-log.nl/troonopvolgers/images/eigenfotos2.jpg
Courtesy Klaziena & Laura.
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Sophie looks so much better there and far more relaxed. She looks comfortable and happy during her second pregnancy. What was Edward thinking of with those trousers though?
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Prince Edward is visiting Israel.
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1189069208.html
Haifa today
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1189087260.html
Courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
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It's such a shame Edward seems to lack a spark. If I was him I would get hair implants (he can surely afford it), or shave the lot off, hit the gym and pump some iron and also get a spray tan and facial, when you're the youngest son (as I am) it's important to make an effort, even more so when you're in the public eye.
George Clooney is three years older than Edward and he looks a hunk.
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Just to break up the usual Tittle-Tattle:
I am sure that all Ally Pally poster wish Sophie & Eward a vey happy. successful and healthy pregnancy.
We all look forward to the new baby and many more great Royal marriages!!!
Tampabay
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It's such a shame Edward seems to lack a spark. If I was him I would get hair implants (he can surely afford it), or shave the lot off, hit the gym and pump some iron and also get a spray tan and facial, when you're the youngest son (as I am) it's important to make an effort, even more so when you're in the public eye.
George Clooney is three years older than Edward and he looks a hunk.
Eddieboy ( and I am sure Mrs. Eddy will agree), easy for you to say having the face and form of a Greek god. :-*
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It's such a shame Edward seems to lack a spark. If I was him I would get hair implants (he can surely afford it), or shave the lot off, hit the gym and pump some iron and also get a spray tan and facial, when you're the youngest son (as I am) it's important to make an effort, even more so when you're in the public eye.
George Clooney is three years older than Edward and he looks a hunk.
Eddieboy ( and I am sure Mrs. Eddy will agree), easy for you to say having the face and form of a Greek god. :-*
I quite agree, dahling! Not everyone is as blessed as dear Eddieboy. The image of Prince Edward "shaving it off, pumping some iron at the gym and sporting a spray tan and facial" has absolutely made my day!! I can't stop laughing!
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Eddeiboy UK is frightfully naughty. I must admit it was a sad day when Edward lost his hair.
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Just like Charles, William is losing his hair too.
Harry is all Spencer so I am sure he will have great crop of hair for years to come. LOL! LOL!
TampaBay
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Thank you Kimberly, Mrs Eddy and Dmitri, glad it made you laugh!!! I was actually being serious, he can come to my gym anytime and I will show him how it's done. ;)
Yes, sad re: Williams hair, he should definitely have hair implants in my opinion!
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Williams hair, he should definitely have hair implants in my opinion!
Having an "Elton John"?EEuuW!
Prefer au naturel instead of any fake,a shave would do Eddieboy,and don't get carried away while at it...
Meanwhile in Israel:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1189174790.html
courtesy Marianne,BRMB.
HRH will also plant a tree in honour of his grandmother Princess Alice.
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LOL - You're right as usual Lucian, natural is best and comb overs never look right. Maybe techniques have improved since Elton had his done??!!
I scan see my planned make over for Edward will be fraught with difficulties.
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smile ... most definitely very naughty ... I wonder whether Sophie is carrying another daughter or the future Viscount Severn?
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Just like Charles, William is losing his hair too.
Harry is all Spencer so I am sure he will have great crop of hair for years to come. LOL! LOL!
Actually, male pattern baldness always runs through the maternal side of the family, i.e. if mom's dad and brothers lost their hair, chances are the sons will too ;-)
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yes and we know that Diana's late father, Earl Spencer, had pretty sparse grass! ... I always find it curious that Charles has more hair than Edward and Andrew appears to have a full head of hair .. after all George VI was a touch like Charles in the hair department but not totally bald and neither was his older brother the Duke of Windsor .. of course the Duke of Gloucester had a hair problem
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Genes are a funny thing... Or Andrew invested in a really good rug! LOL
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LOL - You're right as usual Lucian
Oh no please don't say that,I'm not,not always.
But when it comes to hair fluttering about on a male scalp I think I am,cut it off,immediatly,feels refreshing and it's handy,all you need is a sponge...Just like Charles, William is losing his hair too.
Harry is all Spencer so I am sure he will have great crop of hair for years to come. LOL! LOL!
Actually, male pattern baldness always runs through the maternal side of the family, i.e. if mom's dad and brothers lost their hair, chances are the sons will too ;-)
Tell me ::)
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Just because Edward is balding, he should shave all his remaining hair off? No way! That's not a good look at all - definitely not for a royal. It makes the majority of men look like thugs or perverts, in my opinion. Just keep it short and well groomed.
A new wardrobe and a more jovial outlook would do wonders for this royal.
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The Earl of Wessex paying tribute to his grandmother:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1189258800.html
Courtesy Marianne,BRMB
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Thanks for the link, Lucien! How nice to see a tribute by one of the Queen's children to their paternal grandmother who one so rarely hears about. I had thought sceptically when I opened this 'not another article telling us how marvellous old Cookie was'...
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A new wardrobe and a more jovial outlook would do wonders for this royal.
LOL!! You really hit the nail on the head there!
Now if only we could hit the Earl on the head maybe we could rearrange some synapses and get a smile out of the ol' puss once in a while.
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Just because Edward is balding, he should shave all his remaining hair off? No way! That's not a good look at all - definitely not for a royal. It makes the majority of men look like thugs or perverts, in my opinion. Just keep it short and well groomed.
A new wardrobe and a more jovial outlook would do wonders for this royal.
That is a very limited opinion. More and more men are opting for this look, as opposed to having a ridiculous tuft of hair clinging to the sides of their head. Combined with some neat facial hair, the look can be very tidy and attractive ( I would say that - it's the look that I go for, and I can assure you Grace that I look like neither a thug not a pervert, thanks very much!)
Personally I think that Edward would look great with this look.
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(combined with some neat facial hair, the look can be very tidy and attractive ( I would say that - it's the look that I go for,I look like neither a thug not a pervert,)
That makes two.
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(combined with some neat facial hair, the look can be very tidy and attractive ( I would say that - it's the look that I go for,I look like neither a thug not a pervert,)
That makes two.
Phew! Thought I was going to be out on a limb on that one, destined to join the ranks of 'thugs and perverts'.......thanks Lucien!
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I think the Earl of Wessex looks perfectly fine as he is. Perhaps it is forgotten where he was and what he was doing and what his late grandmother Princess Alice did to be so honoured. Prince Philip visited Israel previously to attend a ceremony where his late Mother was honoured. He also visited her grave in the same church as his Great-Aunt Ella, St.Elisabeth.
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I think the Earl of Wessex looks perfectly fine as he is. Perhaps it is forgotten where he was and what he was doing and what his late grandmother Princess Alice did to be so honoured. Prince Philip visited Israel previously to attend a ceremony where his late Mother was honoured. He also visited her grave in the same church as his Great-Aunt Ella, St.Elisabeth.
And very worthy that was too. I'm sure that no one has forgotten what he was doing and why. I am sure that we are all most grateful for your timely reminder.....
However, his appearance would benefit from an overhaul, at least what is left of his hair would, .........
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Just because Edward is balding, he should shave all his remaining hair off? No way! That's not a good look at all - definitely not for a royal. It makes the majority of men look like thugs or perverts, in my opinion. Just keep it short and well groomed.
A new wardrobe and a more jovial outlook would do wonders for this royal.
That is a very limited opinion. More and more men are opting for this look, as opposed to having a ridiculous tuft of hair clinging to the sides of their head. Combined with some neat facial hair, the look can be very tidy and attractive ( I would say that - it's the look that I go for, and I can assure you Grace that I look like neither a thug not a pervert, thanks very much!)
Personally I think that Edward would look great with this look.
I know you don't look that way, dear Martyn (nor you, I'm sure, Lucien!) but unfortunately I don't think being totally bald suits every man. I find it sometimes looks...confronting...but that's just my view. I simply can't envisage this helping Prince Edward's appearance but perhaps I'm wrong - it happens!
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Edward bald would just be...bad for lack of a better word. It certainly suits some men, but I don't think Edward is one of them.
Mary R.
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Personally I'd like to see a doctored photo of him and then make up my mind.
Phew! Thought I was going to be out on a limb on that one, destined to join the ranks of 'thugs and perverts'.
;D good one.....I had to laugh!
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I'm not sure that Edward has the 'swagger' that is required to pull off the bald-by-choice look. I think it takes a lot of self-assurance and the ability to be bien dans sa peau (?). I'm not entirely certain that he has that ability.
[I find it sometimes looks...confronting...but that's just my view.
Such a shame that skinheads and soccer hooligans favour this look. It ruins it for everyone else.
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I'm not sure I can imagine Edward with the Yul Brynner look. Perhaps he just needs to get a good carpet to restore the locks he once had?
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Sophie, Countess of Wessex, taken September 11. She looks really nice here. Hope all is progressing well with her second pregnancy.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/wessexpregSB1209_468X474.jpg)
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Yes she does look very nice indeed. I would hope her pregnancy is going well. She would certainly be receiving the very best of care. I rather hope it is a boy this time around although the main thing is that the child is healthy. What a lovely thing for the royal family in this the year of The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh's 60th wedding anniversary.
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She does look very nice in the photo above.
TampaBay
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Well pregnancy I am told can give a woman that special glow of loveliness.
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Well pregnancy I am told can give a woman that special glow of loveliness.
Not the women I've seen ;-). The pregnant women I have come across always looked very run-down... but Sophie does look pretty good in that photo.
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Helen A you must try to provide some comfort for those ladies. No doubt they would appreciate your kindness very much.
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If the unborn one is a boy he will be Viscount Severn and if it is a girl she will be Lady .... Windsor.
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Sophie with Louise
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/07/wessexMD240706_228x321.jpg)
The Daily Mail related the difficulties and sadness of the first 2 pregnancies (the ectopic pregnancy, when Sophie herself almost died and then Louise being born prematurely at less than 5 lbs and Sophie being seriously ill then) but added this:
"Older mothers are much more likely to miscarry, with some studies putting therisk at one in three pregnancies, and the chance of giving birth prematurely also rises. But Sophie, who ran a PR company before her marriage, is determined to carry on with her royal duties. Her spokesman said: "She is not putting up her feet. She is going to carry on official engagements as long as she can. She is feeling absolutely great and is completely over the moon about the baby. "She loves children and has made no secret of the fact that she wanted more." She added: "I don't know about morning sickness, she looks absolutely fantastic and is smiling from ear to ear." "
I really hope she can enjoy this pregnancy--she's never had an uncomplicated one, the shadow would've been there during the 2nd pregnancy. She has my utmost sympathy in this. I had an easy first pregnancy but 2 subsequent miscarriages (and a 3rd between Drew & Ella) and when I was pregnant with my son and then with Ella, no matter how much you try to put it from your mind, the worry often lingers. I at least had the memory of a happy first pregnancy, something denied Sophie. She is in my prayers both for her peace of mind and a safe and uncomplicated pregnancy and delivery.
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Have the full names of Lord Nicholas Windsor's son Albert been announced yet?
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Have the full names of Lord Nicholas Windsor's son Albert been announced yet?
The birth was never officially announced - just a comment in Richard Kay's column
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According to Alpha on the BRMB the name is Albert Louis Philip Edward.
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Two pics of the little dude with mama.
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1194616806.html (http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1194616806.html)
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aww such a sweet baby
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Photos of mother & son Albert Louis Philip Edward Windsor (courtesy Alpha on BRMB)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Marianne47/paolometbabyalbert.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Marianne47/ladynicholaswindsor.jpg)
Photos taken by the Duke of Kent.
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Photo of Sophie and the little-seen Louise (courtesy JRutter on the BRMB)
(http://timesnews.typepad.com/./photos/uncategorized/2007/11/06/countess_wessex_louise.jpg)
Marianne added a photo of Elizabeth II to compare the 2 little girls
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/Marianne1GREMB/WeezyElizabeth.jpg)
You can also see a few more shots here:
http://www.rexfeatures.co.uk/live/2007/11/06/state_opening_of_parliament,_buckingham_palace,_london,_britain
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Not long now till the Queen and Prince Phillip's eighth grandchild will arrive! Trust all shall go well for the family, and have wondered what names have been considered. I get the impression that Edward Wessex is quite traditional in his tastes which leads me to think that any choices will have familial links to the past perhaps, after all there had been four previous Princesses named Louise/a before Lady Louise came along. I have been mulling this over and have come up with a few candidate names in no particular order:
For a boy:
Alfred, Phillip, Arthur, James,George (Though if Uncle Charles were to take this as his sobriquet in the future, this choice may not be likely), Patrick (All three other patron saints of the union have cropped up over the last century so why not.)
For a girl:
Victoria, Charlotte, Alice, Amelia, Helena and Elizabeth (The last perhaps now possible as there is no chance of the PoW having a daughter now)
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For a boy: Duncan; for a girl: Theodora !!!
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Edward and Sophie are expecting another baby in December.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273239,00.html
Yeeeeehoooo! Have I been slack in terms of keeping up with them. Let there be no problems with Sophie or the little Weeny Wessex to come!
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From Tdora1's favourite paper today;
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499077&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499077&in_page_id=1770)
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I understand that Sophie is going to have an elective Caesarean Section this coming friday. Good luck to her.
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Hope you're on hand to help Kimberly. You would be the perfect attendee!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
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Sophie gave birth to a son at 16.20 GMT at Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. Hospital states both are well. Mazel Tov!
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Oh Goody at least now we know that the Dukedom of Edinburgh shall continue!!!
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Sophie gave birth to a son at 16.20 GMT at Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. Hospital states both are well. Mazel Tov!
How wonderful! congrats to Edward and Sophie! :)
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Oh I'm so glad! I just knew it would be a boy. Now HM and the Duke have four granddaughters and four grandsons.
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Does anyone know why she had him today instead of Friday, when she was supposed to? Did she go into labor early?
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He will be bearing the title Viscount Severn. I hope they give him a nice old-fashioned name like they did with Louise. Nothing too old-fogeyish though. :) He apparently weighed a little over 6 lbs so that's a pretty good size, especially if he was a little early. Glad that this pregnancy & delivery was so much less traumatic for the Countess. What a nice Christmas present for the Wessexes and the Queen and Prince Philip.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_03/sopwesDM1712_228x579.jpg)
"Edward told reporters at the hospital that the baby's arrival was "a lot calmer than last time, I'm glad to say". Their daughter Louise, four, was delivered by emergency Caesarean when Sophie became gravely ill. The Prince said his wife was very well "but she will obviously be here for a couple of days, recovering from the experience". Otherwise she was "doing very well", he said. Asked to describe his son, Edward said he was "small, cute and cuddly". He revealed that no name had been chosen. "We didn't know what we were going to get," he added. "You've got to get to know the small person who's just come into the world before you pick a name."....At his parents' request, however, the boy will not be given the HRH title normally conferred on the grandchildren of a monarch....A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "The Earl of Wessex was present. The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh have been informed and are delighted with the news. "The Countess of Wessex is expected to remain in hospital for the next few days. She and the Prince are thrilled, absolutely thrilled." After the heartache of several other failed bouts of IVF treatment, Sophie - who turns 43 next month - was astonished to discover that their second baby had been conceived naturally. Medics assured the Countess that, despite her medical history, her pregnancy would not put herself or her baby at greater than normal risk. But neither she nor her husband were willing to take any chances and she has been regularly monitored by a team of doctors led by Marcus Setchwell, the royal gynaecologist. Last night Sophie was said to be bonding well with her baby. "It has been a very difficult few years for both Sophie and Edward both," said a friend. "They desperately wanted more children and had all but given up hope of having another one. "They had come to the conclusion that 'what would be, would be'. The pregnancy was an enormous but very happy surprise and has gone extremely well." "
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Hi,
Some news reports are saying that the new little prince will be titled & known as "Vicount Severn".... Is this a subsiduary title of Edward's??
I hope they name him Philip; that would thrill The Duke of Edinburgh!!
Larry
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Does anyone know why she had him today instead of Friday, when she was supposed to? Did she go into labor early?
I haven't heard whether she went into labor. No one really knows if "she ws supposed to" on Friday. That was printed in a newspaper, but that doesn't make it true, LOL.
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They tend to do elective c/s anytime from 37 weeks onwards (37 -42 weeks is term)
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Some news reports are saying that the new little prince will be titled & known as "Vicount Severn".... Is this a subsiduary title of Edward's??
He will be. And yes, it's a subsidiary title of Earl of Wessex.
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Hi Taren,
Thank you for letting me know; I thought that was what it would be. But, glad to know for sure!
Cheers,
Larry
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When will we know the name?
Or has it already been announced?
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It hasn't been announced. I've noticed there's not really any "usual" time for these things to be announced. I read that Prince Harry's name was announced the day after he was born, Lady Louise's name took a couple of weeks to be announced, and many other names have taken somewhere in between to be announced. It's not like the Danish royal family where they wait a few months until the christening.
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Viscount Severn,yesterday:
http://members3.boardhost.com/Warholm/msg/1198159703.html
courtesy Stefan,BRMB.
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He has a name now
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7156438.stm
James Alexander Philip Theo Mountbatten-Windsor
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Awww what a little chubby-chops....and a lot healthier looking than the ones I've been dealing with today!
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Hi,
James is a good name which will give the Royal Family a further link to Scotland and the Stuarts.
But, I would have preferred Philip to come first. And, what's up with Theo? Is that short for Theodore? How Byzantine!!
Larry
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Maybe a name from Sophie's side of the family?
Her paternal grandfather's name was Theophilius.
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Apparently the Countess' grandfather was named Theophilius. Philip Theophilius would have been a bit much methinks. It's such a shame that neither of the Wessex children will use the HRH -unless of course they grow up and decide they want to use it. Unless I'm mistaken, there's never been a Prince James of Great Britain. The last Prince James would have been the eventual James II.
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Apparently my edit naming her grandfather posted about the same time as your info Taren! :)
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Great minds think alike, Grandduchessella!
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Unless I'm mistaken, there's never been a Prince James of Great Britain. The last Prince James would have been the eventual James II.
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There was a James II, and I think his son was also named James, so for a brief time there was a Prince James that would have been James III.
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Oh okay, but he wouldn't have been a Prince of Great Britain would he?
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I picked Theodora for a girl FTW but as one of the little Viscount's string is great too! Do I get a prize? Never mind : )
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Oh okay, but he wouldn't have been a Prince of Great Britain would he?
my understanding is that legally he is Prince James of Wessex, however his parents choose to style him.
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Oh okay, but he wouldn't have been a Prince of Great Britain would he?
my understanding is that legally he is Prince James of Wessex, however his parents choose to style him.
I was talking about James II who was a prince before he was a king. I don't know much about that time, but when he was a prince it was before there was a "Great Britain" -I think. Legally, the new prince/Viscount Severn is Prince James of Wessex, but is also a Prince of Great Britain and Ireland -just as Princes William and Harry of Wales are also princes of Great Britain and Ireland.
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HM The Queen as fount of honour in agreement with TRH The Earl and Countess of Wessex has denied Lady Louise Windsor and Viscount Severn the use of any royal titles. Viscount Severn is not a Prince and Lady Louise is not a Princess. They also are not Royal Highnesses. Instead they take titles as son and daughter of an Earl.
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HM The Queen as fount of honour in agreement with TRH The Earl and Countess of Wessex has denied Lady Louise Windsor and Viscount Severn the use of any royal titles. Viscount Severn is not a Prince and Lady Louise is not a Princess. They also are not Royal Highnesses. Instead they take titles as son and daughter of an Earl.
We know. They're not going to be known as HRH Prince or Princess of anything. But until a letters patent is issued (which it hasn't yet) they will still be entitled to those titles at some point in their lives if they choose.
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He has a name now
James Alexander Philip Theo Mountbatten-Windsor
I was hoping for Christopher, after Sophie's father, but I do like James Alexander Philip. Theo I'm not so sure about. So many people nowadays give their children diminutives for proper names, I guess the practice has spread to royalty as well....
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The Theo probably comes in honor of her grandfather, whose name was Theophilius. Perhaps the diminutive isn't so bad. ;) Besides, having the 'philius' in there right after the Philip might not sound that great.
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I agree. Just try saying Philip Theophilius 3 times in a row real fast! Your tongue will curl up and die!! LOL! :P
I do like the James, tho. About time there was another James in the Royal family! (Besides, James was my grandfather's name, so I'm a bit biased. ;) )
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Young Viscount Severn rushed to hospital:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3249285.ece
Hope that all goes well.
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Yes thinking of the poor little fellow. I hope he is okay. Great Ormond is a fine hospital. No doubt they will do their very best for him.
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I was very pleased when I learnt of the birth of their son; am very happy her delivery was relatively trouble free. Then I just learnt read about his hospital stay here; does anyone know what the little guy was allergic too?
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The article makes it sound pretty minor. It's not clear what the allergy is to, since he was too young to be eating food. Maybe to the milk or something else in formula (unless he is being breastfed)?
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I would guess a formula, when my neice was young she had an allergic reation to the formula she was orignally given and had to be put on something with soy....so that might be it...because he is far too young to be eating any kind of food as of yet...
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Could be an airborne or topical allergy, not necessarily a food-related one. Some babies have very bad reactions to powder, for instance, or some of the components in disposable diapers--much like people with latex allergies.
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Prince Edward turned 44 yesterday.
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The Earl is coming to my little corner of the world.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4158893p-4746038c.html (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4158893p-4746038c.html)
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oooh, will you attend EE? You might be able to collect a gold award!! Edward struck me as so friendly and with good people skills in the t.v. series the royal family at work.
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I don't think I would be able to attend the awards thingy, but when the royals are in town they always stay at the hotel that is right next door to my workplace. If there are some comings and goings at the right time, I may be able to see him 'in the flesh' so to speak. If I managed it, that would up my royals count to three (I saw Anne when she visited when I was about 11 or so and I saw HM QEII when she was here on the jubilee tour), which I'm sure seems like a very low number to people, but hey I'm trying!
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http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1208727106.html
Courtesy Karen,GREMB.
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Here's the group shot
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/78824022.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1930379C2D113B8FB2A31EDB1BE47E0C96A)
and a close-up courtesy of GREMB
(http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2008/04/17/edward-christening/imgs/wessex-2a.jpg)
"According to the press release from the Palace, Viscount Severn will be the first baby to be christened in the new gown recently commissioned by the Queen. It is a replica of the one previously worn by several generations. The Press Association says that the new gown was made by the Queen's personal assistant Angela Kelly and the in-house dressmaking team at Buckingham Palace.
Some background information from the press release announcing Lady Louise's christening in 2004:
"The Royal christening robe, of fine Honiton lace lined with white satin, was made in 1841 for the christening of Queen Victoria's eldest daughter, Victoria, Princess Royal.
In 1894 the robe was given by Queen Victoria to the Duchess of York (later Queen Mary), all of whose children were christened in it.
In the next generation it was worn by the children of King George VI, of Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, and of Prince George, Duke of Kent.
The children of The Queen and of Princess Margaret were christened in it, and it has subsequently been used for the christenings of all The Queens grandchildren and other Royal babies, including the grand children of Princess Margaret." "
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From the Daily Mail
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_03/wessexbabyCP2004_468x685.jpg)
"The ceremony was watched by the Queen and Prince Philip, Princess Anne and Prince Andrew, who turned down an invitation to golfer Colin Montgomerie's wedding to be at his little nephew's big day.
Prince Charles and Camilla chose not to interrupt a weekend at their Aberdeenshire retreat of Birkhall.
James became the first Royal baby to wear a hand-made christening gown commissioned by the Queen.
The gown, made by the Queen's dresser Angela Kelly and Buckingham Palace's team of dressmakers, is a replica of one of Queen Victoria's daughters' christening gowns which was worn at subsequent Royal christenings, including that of James's four-year-old sister Louise, but has now been preserved.
James is the Queen's eighth grandchild and one observer said: "His sister Lady Louise absolutely dotes on her little brother.
"She kisses him and cuddles him and is a real little mother to him. It's lovely."
Like Louise, he has five godparents, all drawn from Edward and Sophie's thoroughly sensible "court".
There is Alistair Bruce, a Scots Guard Falklands veteran who taught Sophie to windsurf more than a decade ago and became a firm friend, Duncan Bullivant, Thomas Hill, Mrs Mark Poulton and Sophie's former flatmate, American Jeanye Irwin.
There was a champagne reception to wet the baby's head afterwards."
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Sophie & Louise arriving at Peter's wedding (courtesy of Lotte on GREMB)
(http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/slidecenter/1805_royal/images/royal009.jpg)
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(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/apwhello036.jpg)
What do we think of Sophie's outfit for the wedding?
She seems to have slimmed down quickly after giving birth...
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No little Lady Louise in the group pic unless I am missing her somewhere?
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/apwhello024.jpg)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/apwhello023.jpg)
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What do we think of Sophie's outfit for the wedding?
She seems to have slimmed down quickly after giving birth...
The dress looks great on a slimmed down Sophie but the hat/bush growing out of the side of her head must go!
TampaBay
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Notice on the group pic how her head is kind of tilting over like the leaning tower of Pisa? A hat/headpiece/fascinator like that must make chiropractors very happy!
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In town today...
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4181401p-4770996c.html (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4181401p-4770996c.html)
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/06/03/5753611-sun.html (http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/06/03/5753611-sun.html)
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/story/4182206p-4772010c.html (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/story/4182206p-4772010c.html)
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It is always a kick when the Royals visit from across the pond. One of the last times the Queen (long may she reign) was in Calgary was right after the 1988 Calgary Winter Olympics. She was staying at the hotel across from where I was working at the time. I was always thrilled...actually...I had goosebumps...when I would look at the hotel and see her flag flying over the hotel stating she was in residence.
Congrats to Winnipeg for hosting Edward and Sophie.
Take care,
Your fellow Canadian and Alberta neighbor,
Louise
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Unfortunately Sophie did not accompany Edward.
I know what you mean about the thrill of royals visiting. When the Queen was here last, on the jubilee tour, I was such a dork I took a picture of the standard flying as soon as she entered the hotel.
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http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/09/prince-edward-g.html
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2008/09/edward-peter-au.html
courtesy Royalblog.
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My favourite picture of her
(http://i35.tinypic.com/vcrndg.jpg)
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Quick glance and she looks like Diana!!
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It really doea look like Diana!!!!
TampaBay
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shes really pretty...
are there any new pictures of the children?
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are there any new pictures of the children?
What children?!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Wessex children.
TampaBay
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Just out of interest... does anyone know whether the privy purse foots the bill for Louise's security when she is at school or does the government?
I only ask, because we have been told that she is a private individual rather than a Princess!!!!!
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Edward celebrated his 45th yesterday march 10th.
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She may not receive a personal protection officer. When she is with her parents, who, as working members of the royal family, she comes under their protection, but because she is not styled as HRH (although legally entitled to it), she may not have a PPO. The PPOs are largely limited to the HRHs and Her Majesty --The Queen and Philip - the three sons as well as the spouses of the two sons, Anne (but probably not her husband unless he is with her); the Duke and duchess of Kent (even though the duchess no longer carries out duties, she still goes outside), the duke and duchess of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra. The four royal grandchildren also have their own PPOs The Michaels certainly have police protection at their home, but am not sure if they have an official PPO. Louise and her brother are being raised outside the public llife and will not carry out duties, etc. Anne's children did not have security when they went to school as they are not royal
Just out of interest... does anyone know whether the privy purse foots the bill for Louise's security when she is at school or does the government?
I only ask, because we have been told that she is a private individual rather than a Princess!!!!!
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If any member of the UK Royal Family or their staff reads this forum please be advised that the thoughts and/or prayers of every member of the Alexander Palace Forum are with Earl & Countess of Wessex at this difficult time.
I (and I am sure my fellow AP Forum members are with) wish a speedy and successful recovery to Princess Louise, The Lady Louise Windsor.
TampaBay
Thankyou
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I am sure that the thoughs and prayers of each member of this Forum are with the Wessex family for a healthy second child!
Let us have some more prayers and thoughts!!! They may be reading this forum as we blog!
I believe in the power of prayer and collective good thoughts and blessings!!
TampaBay
Yes we/I just may be :-X
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Either it's too early in the morning for me or I've missed something? Could somebody please explain???
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I think "lindelle" is a late on responding to posts -- not realizing that the posts to which she responded to - are quite old. ..
Either it's too early in the morning for me or I've missed something? Could somebody please explain???
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Here are some photos of the royal family at the Royal Windsor Horse Show, including some very nice photos of the rarely seen Wessex children.
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=86478271# (http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=86478271#)
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awww James is sooo adorable!
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Wow, casual family portraits of the Wessexs...this never happens, but I'm sure glad it did! What a beautiful family. Little Louise looks so much like Edward and HM and little James seems to be a mixture of both parents. What a treat this is!!!
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Posted on the BRMB by Karen from the Getty archive--the family at the Royal Windsor Horse Show
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/Scotllass/Royals/JamesSevern.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/Scotllass/Royals/LouiseWindsor.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/Scotllass/Royals/PrinceEdward.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/Scotllass/Royals/Wessexfamily.jpg)
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Janet on the BRMB posted this photo to show the comparison between the Queen and her granddaughter
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00034/F_200704_April20the__34852a.jpg)(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/Scotllass/Royals/LouiseWindsor.jpg)
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Yes, it's very obvious, isn't it? Louise is a real Windsor!
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Lady Louise is a spitting image of her father though her face is somewhat "milder" and moe feminine,of course
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HRH The Countess of Wessex has been appointed a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/LatestNewsandDiary/Pressreleases/2010/TheCountessofWessexappointedtotheRoyalVictorianOrd.aspx
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Congratulations, Princess Sophie! That honor is well deserved. She must be incredibly proud as is her husband I would presume.
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Prince Edward and Sophie visited Kandahar Air Base in Afghanistan Dec. 20, 2011. Prince Edward visited the 62nd Expeditionary Reconnaissance Squadron to learn more about the mission of the squadron and to visit with the RAF members embedded with the unit.
(http://www.kdab.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/111220-F-XH170-487.jpg)
(http://www.kdab.afcent.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/111220-F-XH170-550.jpg)
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The itinerary for the Earl and Countess of Wessex's Caribbean tour has been announced in a Buckingham Palace press release.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/LatestNewsandDiary/Pressreleases/2012/TheEarlandCountessofWessextourWestIndies.aspx
I discuss this itinerary and previous connections between the monarchy and the caribbean on my website
http://www.royalhistorian.com/royals-of-the-caribbean-the-2012-diamond-jubilee-commonwealth-tours-begin/
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Excuse my ignorance but why are Edward & Sophie not the Duke & Duchess of Wessex?
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According to what I've read, he declined the Cambridge dukedom in favor of the lesser title of Earl of Wessex at his marriage. His desire is to be granted his father's title, which will not automatically pass to him as he is not the oldest son. So, it looks like he "settled" for an earldom while waiting for his desired dukedom.
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That is pretty much what I had read as well, RW. BTW, is Edinburgh a royal dukedom or is it roayl only because of him, I wonder.
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All creations of the Duke of Edinburgh have been bestowed upon royalty and not one on the nobility.
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According to what I've read, he declined the Cambridge dukedom in favor of the lesser title of Earl of Wessex at his marriage. His desire is to be granted his father's title, which will not automatically pass to him as he is not the oldest son. So, it looks like he "settled" for an earldom while waiting for his desired dukedom.
And this poses a rather complicated situation. Charles will inherit his father's dukedom upon Phillip's death. Next in line to that title is William, Charles' son. Either Her Majesty or King Charles III will have to write letters patent to reverse the course of this title being inherited within Charles' male line and transfer it to his youngest brother, Edward. Not a smooth transition by any means.
However, I think it is very commendable that Edward is waiting for the Dukedom of Edinburgh, which will keep that title and his father's memory around it alive or extant (as we all know, the current Duke of Edinburgh has done some amazing things and has attached that dukedom to some of his own initiatives, such as the Duke of Edinburgh's Award). Otherwise, when Charles becomes king, it will become extinct and revert to the crown until a fourth creation is bestowed on a royal prince (if the tradition of only bestowing this title on royalty is continued) in the future.
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TRH will start their tour of the Caribean next tuesday the 21st till march 7th representing HM Queen Elizabeth II
in the frame of overseas visits by the Members of the British Royal Family on occasion of HM's Diamond Jubilee.
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/02/edward-sophie-get-all-the-islands-.html
courtesy hja
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According to what I've read, he declined the Cambridge dukedom in favor of the lesser title of Earl of Wessex at his marriage. His desire is to be granted his father's title, which will not automatically pass to him as he is not the oldest son. So, it looks like he "settled" for an earldom while waiting for his desired dukedom.
That's interesting, I have never heard that before. Granted I don't pay any attention to Sophie and Edward. But why would the title of Duke of Edinburgh go to the youngest son and not to Charles or Andrew? Or is he specifically requesting it go to him?
Also it seems that you are indicating that once you are made a Duke of one place you can not change it ever?
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That's interesting, I have never heard that before. Granted I don't pay any attention to Sophie and Edward. But why would the title of Duke of Edinburgh go to the youngest son and not to Charles or Andrew? Or is he specifically requesting it go to him?
Also it seems that you are indicating that once you are made a Duke of one place you can not change it ever?
Titles in the British peerage pass from father to eldest blood-son. If no eldest blood-son, it passes to the next (younger) blood-brother of the title holder. If the brother is dead, it goes to his blood-son. If there is no son, then the next senior blood-male in the family line obtains the title, etc. You are probably wondering why I keep inserting "blood" before the relation...that is because title can only pass to blood relatives. If one is adopted, that individual is not allowed to inherit the title unless the sovereign makes it so with letters patent.
With this knowledge, neither Andrew or Edward are in line to inherit their father's title. It will pass directly to Charles upon Phillip's death. Charles would never use that title since Prince of Wales (England) and the Duke of Rothesay (Scotland) are the most senior royal titles in the United Kingdom other than that of sovereign. And, yes, it has been reported that Edward has specifically requested the title to pass to him. Being a son of the sovereign, traditionally, he should have been bestowed a dukedom, but as the story goes, he "settled" for an earldom until his father's title becomes available at his death. This will not be automatic. Special letters patent will have to be drawn up as this title cannot pass to him. It will have to be created for a fourth time specifically for Edward and his line by the sovereign.
A duke cannot change his title: he is either created as such by the sovereign or inherits the title upon the death of the previous holder. The sovereign is the only one that can grant peerage titles. I've never heard of a duke "abdicating his title" or giving it back to the sovereign although it may have happened in the past. I just don't have specific knowledge of any one instance that I can sight as an example.
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A rather obtuse example of this might be, when Edward VIII abdicated, he was also relinquishing the Duke of Lancaster title [and income].
I vaguely recall other examples, but they were long ago.
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Are the titles Duke of Cornwall and Duke of York higher than Philips title?
Robert Hall if Edward gave back the Duke of Lancaster title does that mean his brother inherited that title when he became George VI?
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The dukedoms of Cornwall and Lancaster are 'odd'.
Lancaster passes directly from monarch to monarch, and has done since 1399. Cornwall is rather more complicated. Each heir apparent (normally eldest son of the monarch, but can be a male line grandson), becomes Duke of Cornwall at birth or on parent's accession if later. On each Duke's accession, the dukedom passes to his heir apparent if there is one, otherwise it 'merges with the Crown' until there is an heir apparent. So Edward VII was Duke of Cornwall from birth. On his accession, his heir apparent, the future George V, became Duke of Cornwall, to be followed by the future Edward VIII. Edward VIII had no heir apparent, so the dukedom merged with the Crown on his accession, and remained so until Elizabeth II succeeded on 6 February 1952, at which point her three-year-old son Charles became Duke of Cornwall, and remains so.
York is a conventional dukedom and should pass from father to son in the ordinary way. However, six Dukes of York have succeeded to the throne themselves, so that the dukedom has merged with the Crown and later been regranted, and most of the others have failed to produce sons. The only one who did was the very first Duke of York, Edmund, a younger son of Edward III. He was succeeded on his death by his elder son Edward, who died at Agincourt (he was found face-down in the mud after the battle without a mark on him, and it is surmised that he either souffoucated or had a heart attack). Edward had no legitimate children, so was succeeded by his nephew Richard, who was the father of Edward IV and Richard III. The present Duke only has daughters, so unless he marries again and surprises us it looks as though the dukedom will once again become extinct on his death (and available for either Prince Harry or William's second son if he has one).
Ann
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Are the titles Duke of Cornwall and Duke of York higher than Philips title?
Robert Hall if Edward gave back the Duke of Lancaster title does that mean his brother inherited that title when he became George VI?
The Duke of Cornwall is "higher" in rank than Phillip's title. The Duke of Cornwall title is the second highest ranked duke in the land behind the Duke of Lancaster, which is held by the sovereign. As far as how the Duke of York ranks in comparison to his father, this is my understanding of royal precedence as confirmed by Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_precedence_in_the_United_Kingdom):
1. HM The Queen
2. HRH The Prince of Wales (Duke of Cornwall/Duke of Rothesay)
2. HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (per Wikipedia: "The Duke of Edinburgh, by The Queen's Order-in-Council, has 'place, pre-eminence and precedence' over all men in the Kingdom—except, where provided by Parliament, The Prince of Wales." Hence the reason why I have Phillip and Charles ranked the same yet I have placed Charles higher than his father.)
4. HRH Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (no, I didn't skip the third rank...this is how ranking is applied)
5. HRH Prince Henry of Wales
6. HRH The Prince Andrew, Duke of York
7. HRH The Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
8. James, Viscount Severn (son of Edward)
I will stop here as the next in line are HM's male cousines: (9) Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester and (10) Prince Edward, Duke of Kent.
So, as you can see, the Duke of York ranks below his father.
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Selencia, as RW mentioned, the title and income from the Duchy of Lancaster automatically goes to the monarch. When Edward was no longer monarch, he was also no longer Duke of L.
The presnet Queen is now Duke of L. BTW, not Duchess, but Duke.
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According to what I've read, he declined the Cambridge dukedom in favor of the lesser title of Earl of Wessex at his marriage. His desire is to be granted his father's title, which will not automatically pass to him as he is not the oldest son. So, it looks like he "settled" for an earldom while waiting for his desired dukedom.
And this poses a rather complicated situation. Charles will inherit his father's dukedom upon Phillip's death. Next in line to that title is William, Charles' son. Either Her Majesty or King Charles III will have to write letters patent to reverse the course of this title being inherited within Charles' male line and transfer it to his youngest brother, Edward. Not a smooth transition by any means.
This isn't really that complicated or requires special Letters Patent - the only restriction is that Edward cannot obtain the dukedom until AFTER the deaths of both of his parents, because (a) Phillip has to first relinquish it by his own death, and (b) the title has to merge with the Crown when the new male holder become King.
When Phillip dies, Charles inherits the Dukedom. When the Queen dies, Charles also inherits the Crown, and thus the Dukedom merges into the Crown and the hereditary descent ceases (the title effectively falls extinct and is available to be granted anew to Edward).
Even if both Charles and Phillip died before the Queen, William would become Duke of Edinburgh. But again, upon the Queen's death William becomes King and the title merges and is free to go to Edward.
The only scenario I can think of that would cause a problem is if a female inherits the Crown before the Dukedom of Edinburgh merges with it (thereby separating the succession to each). Example: William has a firstborn daughter, and then both William and Charles die while the Queen is still living. In this case, William's daughter would inherit the Crown, but since the Dukedom only passes to males, it would go to Harry as the senior male heir of Phillip. Then Harry's heirs would be the Edinburgh dukes until that male line died out (likely after Edward's death).
Unless I'm mistaken, not even the Monarch can strip a person from their claim to a hereditary peerage without an Act of Parliament, so the most likely future is that Edward simply waits until both of his parents are deceased to receive his father's title.
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'Unless I'm mistaken, not even the Monarch can strip a person from their claim to a hereditary peerage without an Act of Parliament.'
You are quite right. Removal of peerages is a hot issue at the moment since Jeffery Archer (life peer) was convicted of perjury, and two other life peers have been convicted of expenses fraud. All the precedents involve Acts of Attainder for treason (last used in 1798) and the Titles Deprivation Act 1917.
Ann
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Charles will inherit his father's dukedom upon Phillip's death. Next in line to that title is William, Charles' son. Either Her Majesty or King Charles III will have to write letters patent to reverse the course of this title being inherited within Charles' male line and transfer it to his youngest brother, Edward. Not a smooth transition by any means.
.......so the most likely future is that Edward simply waits until both of his parents are deceased to receive his father's title.
I think I read somewhere that Charles has promised his parents that he will agree to the transfer of the title of Duke of Edinburgh to Edward at the appropriate time.
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TRH will start their tour of the Caribean next tuesday the 21st till march 7th representing HM Queen Elizabeth II
in the frame of overseas visits by the Members of the British Royal Family on occasion of HM's Diamond Jubilee.
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/02/edward-sophie-get-all-the-islands-.html
courtesy hja
A tour pretty much ignored everywhere,including here..... ::)
Edward and Sophie,unsung Jubilee hero´s:
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/03/edward-sophie-unsung-jubilee-heroes.html
courtesy hja
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We're seeing quite a bit here about Prince Harry's tour of the Caribbean, but not a word about poor Edward and Sophie!
Ann
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I've really had to search for news about Edward and Sophie's engagements. What I do find are mainly photographs of the couple attending various events.
25 February Barbados: http://myroyal-myroyals.blogspot.com/2012/02/prince-edward-and-his-wife-sophie-in.html
26 February Barbados (2): http://myroyal-myroyals.blogspot.com/2012/02/prince-edward-and-his-wife-sophie-in_26.html
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Antigua and Barbuda last stop for the Earl and Countess of Wessex:
http://gpdhome.typepad.com/royalblognl_news_summary/2012/03/antigua-barbuda-last-stop-for-wessex.html
courtesy hja
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Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor broke her arm after a fall from her pony yesterday.
http://www.royalhistorian.com/lady-louises-riding-accident-and-popular-perceptions-of-royal-parenting/
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The Earl and Countess of Wessex will be touring Canada this week on a working visit
http://www.royalhistorian.com/the-itinerary-for-the-earl-and-countess-of-wessex-in-canada-september-11-18-2012/
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The Earl and Countess of Wessex are currently in Iqaluit, in Canada's Nunavut territory
http://www.royalhistorian.com/royals-in-the-arctic-the-earl-and-countess-of-wessex-visit-iqaluit-nunavut/
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The Wessex Family enjoying at day at the Ascot races.
http://www.newmyroyals.com/2012/12/the-wessex-family-at-ascot-races.html
The children are ADORABLE and getting so big! Maybe this will be the year we will get to see James walking to Christmas services with the rest of the family? There seems to be a set age when young royals walk with the older royals, but I just don't know what it is.
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Lady Louise looks so very much like her father when he was a child. Anyone else notice?
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She looks to be a genetic carbon copy! :)
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Lady Louise looks so very much like her father when he was a child. Anyone else notice?
I agree 100%! I also think there's a resemblance to a Princess Anne when she was a child, and also (for sure!) The Queen when she was a child!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/25/article-1222921-06F63FD4000005DC-633_634x401.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/25/article-1222921-06F63FD4000005DC-633_634x401.jpg)
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There is a resemblance with her grandmother when she was a child, but I cannot help me she reminds me more of her grandfather Prince Philip
when he was in the same age.
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Here's Phillip in 1933.
http://c257.r57.cf3.rackcdn.com/7aa8a7ff062fdfbfcbbfdc1d96675df2-1550430477-1300143345-4d7e9cf1-620x348.jpg (http://c257.r57.cf3.rackcdn.com/7aa8a7ff062fdfbfcbbfdc1d96675df2-1550430477-1300143345-4d7e9cf1-620x348.jpg)
I can understand what you are saying, and can see a slight resemblance.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OhGzxwGD0HU/TBABSehxV8I/AAAAAAAAAKc/0W-E3hF8sq8/s1600/philip_aliceofbattenberg.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OhGzxwGD0HU/TBABSehxV8I/AAAAAAAAAKc/0W-E3hF8sq8/s1600/philip_aliceofbattenberg.jpg)
Here it's more obvious. Seems she got the looks of both grandparents! Still say I can see more of The Queen in ehr as a child though, but that's just my solid opinion.
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I see it a tad bit. I've always thought that Prince Harry resembled the duke most in the family....him as well as his father Prince Charles.
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There is a photograph in Young Prince Philip of the Duke of Edinburgh aged seven, looking the image of Prince Harry at a similar age.
Ann
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There is a photograph in Young Prince Philip of the Duke of Edinburgh aged seven, looking the image of Prince Harry at a similar age.
Ann
I definitely agree! Harry looks so similar to a young Prince Phillip. Just having a look at the online preview of inside the book and think I know the photo you are on about!
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It's been posted here (if it's the one I think you mean). It's on the first page of the Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh thread.
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Ah no, it was one i've never seen before. Thank you! Yes, can definitely see Harry in him in that photo.
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The Earl of Wessex celebrates his 50th birthday today. A new photograph with his wife and children has been released:
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/01-01-2000-Millenium-1.jpg)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26507251
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Always Liked this family. Sophie looks as though she hasn't aged since her wedding day!
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Agreed. Has anybody come across any good pictures or plans of the Wessex' home at Bagshot Park? I've searched and searched, but only found a few pics of a recent charity reception hosted in the house - not enough to get a feel for the interior.
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I'd love nothing more but also can't find anything but the exterior
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Графиня Уэссеская и Первая дама Мексики встретились с актерами "Аббатства Даунтон"
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Countess of Wessex and First Lady of Mexico visited the actors of "Downton Abbey".
http://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/2812535.html (http://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/2812535.html)
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Sophie is due to attend the re burial of Richard III on 26th of March as is Richard, Duke of Gloucester.
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In the book "Her Majesty" by Robert Hardman it mentions Prince Edward being contacted to be King of Estonia!? Which he declined. Looking at what happened to his father's family this sounds like a smart move. Who knows some fiction writer on this site might write about what would have happened if he did accept the Estonian throne