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Title: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:05:39 PM
some participants to this Russian ball at the GD Vladimir Alex. and Maria Pavlovna's Palace on the 25th january of 1883:

The Empress Maria Feodorovna (Alex. III didn't like the costume balls, so he was dressed as "every days "in uniform)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/dagmar1.jpg)


Maria Pavlovna and Vladimir Alexandrovitch:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPVladimir.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:07:24 PM
Anastasia Mikhailovna:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/anastasiamikha.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:09:41 PM
Olga Constantonovna (next Queen of Greece)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/Olgaconst3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/Olgaconst2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/olgaconst5.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:11:50 PM
Serge Alexandrovitch
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/serge1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/serge2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/Serge3.jpg)


...any more?...
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:38:42 PM
a fan was painted  by I. A.VSEVOLOZHSKY  commemoring this ball, with the participants's caricatures. I think I recognize some people, but not all...

Serge with ? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/Sergea.jpg)

Vladimir with ? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPVladimira.jpg)

Maria Pavlovna with Paul Alex. (?) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPa.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 29, 2005, 01:40:06 PM
Here is the whole fan: BE CAREFUL: IT'S RATHER BIG!! (in order to see the participants)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1883a.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: grandduchessella on May 29, 2005, 05:52:55 PM
These were from lacquer boxes--I'm guessing they were from the ball. The one was marked Alexander III but the first time I'd posted these I was informed it was Vladimir since AIII didn't like to 'dress up'.  :)  Too bad Ella wasn't married yet--I bet she would've looked lovely and there are so few pictures of her in her jewels.  :(

Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 30, 2005, 05:01:14 AM
Thanks Courtney! beautiful boxes!
I know this one of Maria F.:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/dagmar2.jpg)

Indeed, it's really too bad that Ella wasn't married Serge yet!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on May 30, 2005, 05:02:55 AM
baron Vladimir Borissovitch Frederiks (yes, already him in his young days!)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/FREDERIXbaronvladiborissovitch.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on July 16, 2005, 02:34:15 AM
Two others photos of the 1894 ball at the Cheremetiev's palace:
KR as Cesar Borgia:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/CsarBorgia.jpg)


Nicholas as 17th century Tsarevitch, by BECKENDORFF:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/BENKENDORFNicolas.jpg)
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: katmaxoz on July 25, 2005, 02:51:10 AM
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a fan was painted  by I. A.VSEVOLOZHSKY  commemoring this ball, with the participants's caricatures. I think I recognize some people, but not all...


Lisa, this is an amazing fan. I've collected fans for many years but I've never come across a picture of this one before - not even in the exhibition of Romanov fans held in London some years ago.

Do you know who owns - or which museum - holds this fan?  An amazing piece of history really.

Kathy
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: grandduchessella on July 25, 2005, 07:46:25 PM
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Lisa, this is an amazing fan. I've collected fans for many years but I've never come across a picture of this one before - not even in the exhibition of Romanov fans held in London some years ago.

Do you know who owns - or which museum - holds this fan?  An amazing piece of history really.

Kathy


I think this one and several like it are at the Hermitage Museum

About the fan above:
Folding Fan Showing a Caricature of a Fancy-Dress Ball
Artist I. A. Vsevolozhsky.
Russia. 1883
Tortoiseshell and silk per; painted in watercolour and gouache. L. 37.5 cm
Source of Entry:   The Anichkov Palace (belonged to Empress Maria Fyodorovna, wife of Emperor Alexander III). 1946
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/descrPage.mac/descrPage?selLang=English&indexClass=SUIT_EN&PID=JRT-6490&numView=1&ID_NUM=3&thumbFile=%2Ftmplobs%2FNIZGYIYGMFO4UZW06.jpg&embViewVer=last&thumbId=6&numResults=78&author=Artist%26%2332%3BI.%26%2332%3BA.%26%2332%3BVsevolozhsky&comeFrom=quick&check=&tmCond=fan&searchIndex=TAGFILEN

Good Lord, the link's as big as picture! Anyway, if you go to their site and type in 'fan' it brings up many--including this one and ones similar to it. I was going to put the links but I didn't realize how long they were.  :-/
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: leanora on July 25, 2005, 09:00:11 PM
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some participants to this Russian ball at the GD Vladimir Alex. and Maria Pavlovna's Palace on the 25th january of 1883:

The Empress Maria Feodorovna (Alex. III didn't like the costume balls, so he was dressed as "every days "in uniform)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/dagmar1.jpg)

Maria Pavlovna and Vladimir Alexandrovitch:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPVladimir.jpg)



1883? or 1903?  ???  ???  ???

It seems to me that these photos were taken in the Winterpalace during the famous costume ball of 1903! and not 1883!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: grandduchessella on July 25, 2005, 11:53:47 PM
No they were in 1883--Miechen's costume was entirely different for 1903.

Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: cimbrio on July 27, 2005, 05:36:10 PM
Forgive me for being a bit dim but was there a Ball (like the one in 1883, 1903...) for every emperor or what? It seems such a glamourous and high-class occassion... I can't begin to think how much those gowns weighed! :P
D
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Annette on July 28, 2005, 03:22:53 PM
Hi

I remember seeing the fan that Lisa kindly reproduced at an exhibition of fans from the Hermitage at The Fan Museum in London in 1997/98.  It was entitled 'The Grand Dukes' Ball' and appears on page 62 of the catalogue.  The catalogue says the fan leaf is dated 1883 and is signed 'VOLO inv and pinkx' (no idea what that means!).  Vsevolozhsky was a former diplomat who caricatured friends and political figures.  There were three fans decorated by the gentleman in the exhibition and I remember they had amazing detail.

Kind regards

Annette
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: hikaru on August 02, 2005, 10:35:56 AM
Did somebody hear about black ball which took place 26th January 1889 in Anichkov Palace .
All participants should be in black robes.
This ball was in Austria-Hungarian style.- the music was only Hungarian.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on August 02, 2005, 12:15:12 PM
No I've never heard of that ball, it sounds interesting! :D Did Nicholas and Alexandra attend?

~Anastacia~
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: hikaru on August 02, 2005, 12:53:08 PM
I also have found that there was an Emerald Ball in Anichkov palace of 1888
Everybody was obliged to bear a lot of emeralds.

Both Balls were arranged by Maria Feodorvna, I suppose.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: erzsi on August 02, 2005, 02:09:23 PM
In January 1889 was a black ball in St.Petersburg because crownprince Rudolph of Austria and Mary Vestera killed themselve in Mayerling and Maria Feodorowna says she want this ball and everyone must came in black.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: hikaru on August 02, 2005, 03:33:57 PM
It is very intresting , because I have heard that it was like an ultimatum to the Austria after the death of Rudolyf , because of the relations between two countries became worser.
They danced valses and chardashes.
It is said that the black dresses , gloves and black fans made a good combination  with the diamonds and pearls.
K.R. wrote as follows: Ball at Anichkov was a strange one - with dames in black . On the black diamonds shined stronger. I did not understand , was it boaring or fun"

But your exlanation sound very reasonable.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: ZarevnaOlga on October 05, 2005, 04:15:50 AM
Hello.
I heard, that this ball were planing for a long time and then there was the dead of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria and for Maria Feodorovna it was impossibly to have no ball, so she send more cards with the asking the guests coming in black dresses (I´m so sorry for my terrible English!). Alix didnt come, because she was ill! But her Brother and father were there, they wrote about this boll in their diaries.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Sushismom on October 05, 2005, 05:06:45 PM
From what I've read, the ball was in response to some similar thing the Austrians did (sorry, but I can't remember exactly what it was). Instead of canceling the ball, Marie decided to have everyone dress in black.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: don on February 19, 2006, 05:52:40 PM
These balls were not commonplace events.  It was just that the Grand Duke Vladimir's idea for such a ball and its grand success among the courtiers inspired Nicholas II to request its repetition at the Hermitage at a later date.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on February 21, 2006, 11:39:07 AM
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Forgive me for being a bit dim but was there a Ball (like the one in 1883, 1903...) for every emperor or what? It seems such a glamourous and high-class occassion... I can't begin to think how much those gowns weighed! :P
D



While they were not commonplace events like that, there was also another Russian costume ball in 1894 held on the 21 February (O.S.), shortly after Xenia Alexandrovna and Alexander Mikhailovich became engaged. But other than that one and the other two mentioned, I don't know of any others.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: grandduchess_42 on February 26, 2006, 02:29:51 PM
do you have any of Ella at the ball?
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on March 03, 2006, 09:11:40 AM
Unfortunately Ella was not married yet...
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Lisa on March 03, 2006, 09:25:18 AM
It tooks place at the palace of the count Sheremetiev

Nicholas was in old Russian costume (17th century)

Watercolour by Nicholas Beckendorff:
(http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/3494/benkendorfnicolas1qh.th.jpg) (http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benkendorfnicolas1qh.jpg)

(http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/2029/oaf145ze4zs.th.jpg) (http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oaf145ze4zs.jpg)

Xenia and Sandro: (http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/3167/sandroxnia7nz.th.jpg) (http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sandroxnia7nz.jpg)

And Constantin Constantinovitch as Cesar Borgia (http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/9067/csarborgia9ct.th.jpg) (http://img330.imageshack.us/my.php?image=csarborgia9ct.jpg)

I hope this helps to separate and compare the different costume balls!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: grandduchess_42 on March 05, 2006, 02:01:15 PM
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Unfortunately Ella was not married yet...


yes i just realized when i looked at the date. sorry!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on March 07, 2006, 12:35:54 AM
Ooh, thanks for posting those, Lisa! I love that costume ball, and not many people even know about it, it seems! It was second to the one in 1903 on my list! :D
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: BarefootContessa on July 27, 2007, 11:08:38 AM
I'm fascinated with the Black Ball of 1889.  Does anyone know what the Austrians did originally to offend the Empress?  If it was because they held a ball during a period of Russian mourning, which Romanov had died?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: ashdean on July 27, 2007, 01:06:18 PM
I also have found that there was an Emerald Ball in Anichkov palace of 1888
Everybody was obliged to bear a lot of emeralds.

Both Balls were arranged by Maria Feodorvna, I suppose.
This was the ball where Madame Paul Rodzianko, nee Princess Galitzine & through her mother heiress to a huge chunk of the Stroganov fortune was told by Marie that her emeralds made the Empresses pale !!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: BarefootContessa on March 21, 2008, 07:56:40 PM
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/1729/2101242380094285158S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2101242380094285158Pifprr)

Can anyone identify any other people in this photo?  From the Webshots album I found the photo in:
Sergei Aleksandrovich (back row, center), Pavel Aleksandrovich (to his right / to our left), Ella (center row, center -- directly in front of Sergei), a young (and future) Nicholas II (front row, to the right of center, in front of Ella), and others. Thanks again to Liljones.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Svetabel on March 22, 2008, 05:52:15 AM
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/1729/2101242380094285158S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2101242380094285158Pifprr)

Can anyone identify any other people in this photo?  From the Webshots album I found the photo in:
Sergei Aleksandrovich (back row, center), Pavel Aleksandrovich (to his right / to our left), Ella (center row, center -- directly in front of Sergei), a young (and future) Nicholas II (front row, to the right of center, in front of Ella), and others. Thanks again to Liljones.

Another "royal person" in the picture is Duchess Elena of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, daughter of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna. Elena is just by GD Sergei's side. The others are friends and courtiers.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: BarefootContessa on March 22, 2008, 06:44:30 AM

Another "royal person" in the picture is Duchess Elena of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, daughter of GDss Ekaterina Mikhailovna. Elena is just by GD Sergei's side. The others are friends and courtiers.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 22, 2008, 08:08:48 AM
Contessa, I can't be sure, but I think the woman sitting third from left could be Countess Olga Heyden.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: BarefootContessa on March 22, 2008, 02:45:40 PM
Contessa, I can't be sure, but I think the woman sitting third from left could be Countess Olga Heyden.
The wigs make it so difficult!
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on March 23, 2008, 06:49:11 PM
They all look a bit alike in that picture, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: gogm on July 11, 2009, 02:31:26 PM
The men look like cavalry from the cowboys and indians era or "Roughriders" in US history, but the women look like they are recreating the 1800s. Does anybody know what the theme of this ball was?
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: ashanti01 on July 13, 2009, 12:57:29 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/ellazenaida-1.jpg)

Maybe I'm the only womn seeing this but I think the woman to the right of GD Elizabeth looks like Princess Zenaida Yusupov. The last man standing on the right appears to be Prince Felix Yusupov Sr. Maybe??

There is a post card where Zenaida is in costume and the hair piece seems to match.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ashanti01/1170776425000161-1-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Svetabel on July 13, 2009, 06:55:23 AM
The men look like cavalry from the cowboys and indians era or "Roughriders" in US history, but the women look like they are recreating the 1800s. Does anybody know what the theme of this ball was?

Actually the women are recreating the 1770s years not the 1800s. The men look like the 17th cent. gentlemen.

I don't remember the theme though, need to check it up.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Svetabel on July 13, 2009, 07:03:00 AM

Maybe I'm the only womn seeing this but I think the woman to the right of GD Elizabeth looks like Princess Zenaida Yusupov. The last man standing on the right appears to be Prince Felix Yusupov Sr. Maybe??



Sorry, I don't see a resemblance to Zenaida. Princess Yusupova had more clear features and distinguished appearance than that woman.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on July 13, 2009, 12:15:23 PM
You are correct, "Svetabel," on the men's military attire.  The plumed "Cavalier"-style hats, leather knee-boots and leather glove/gauntlets, the large gorget-like metal neck protectors are 17th century in design.   Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: gogm on July 13, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
So the mean are recreating the Roundhead era and the ladies the Marie Antoinette era. Interesting...
Title: Re: Romanovs Balls (besides 1903)
Post by: Svetabel on August 31, 2010, 03:11:12 AM
some participants to this Russian ball at the GD Vladimir Alex. and Maria Pavlovna's Palace on the 25th january of 1883:


Maria Pavlovna and Vladimir Alexandrovitch:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPVladimir.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/MPVladimir.jpg)

Clearer version.

(http://www.picatom.com/1l/1883vm-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1l/1883vm-1.html)