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Title: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: niteshade1312 on July 04, 2005, 06:09:59 AM
I was wondering whether anyone might tell me anything about James Blair Lovell? I need a bit of his background for a project and can't seem to find anything!

Hope someone can help me.. anything on the way he wrote abotu Anna Anderson and the "Anastasia" Case!!
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 04, 2005, 03:39:49 PM
Jimmy Lovell came into AA's life rather late in the game. He was not as astute as Peter Kurth in sorting through the myriad of information about the lady. Lovell took several detours which harmed perceptions of her, including the tale of a fifth daughter, the King Kong story, and the rape story. All of these were untrue.

If you're doing a serious project, I would highly recommend going with Kurth versus Lovell. It's like comparing Meryl Streep with Paris Hilton. Go with Meryl (PK).
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Arleen on July 04, 2005, 06:19:34 PM
I totally agree with Lisa Davidson, I've read the James Lovell book.
Stick to PETER KURTH!  I've got all his books and I love them.

..Arleen
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: niteshade1312 on July 04, 2005, 09:48:22 PM
I have to use two historians, and so one I am DEFINATELY using already is Kurth. The other I was thinking, and tossing between is either John Klier and Robert K. Massie. Both have differing points of view in concerns with AA, and even though Massie seems to be a little bit more commerical in his writing, he details more on AA than Klier and Mingay.

Any ideas, or should I maybe try to incorporate a bit of all, with an emphasis on Kurth?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: rskkiya on July 04, 2005, 09:56:24 PM
Why definately Kurth?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: niteshade1312 on July 04, 2005, 11:07:21 PM
Kurth provides a strong reason for believing in AA and he also met her on a few occasions. I have also been able to get in touch with him and he has been able to walk me through reasons why he believes what he does.

I also need a historian to bounce off Kurth and so I thought Klier and Mingay would be good, because they also wrote their book after Kurth and after the DNA. Or Massie..
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: aya-anya on July 05, 2005, 07:43:09 AM
Hi,

I've also been reading Lovell's book and Kurth's book about Anastasia. Kurth's book and website are wonderful. I wish that Kurth's note about AA on his website would be published as a book...

By the way, Lovell died in 1993, correct? Does anyone know the details about his death?

aya-anya
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: xX_Mashka_Xx on July 05, 2005, 10:32:38 AM
I don't know how many of you noticed, but in Lovell's book Anatsasia: The lost Princess, in the photographs section, he compares pictures of Anastasia in her childhood, and Anna Anderson in her later years. But, the picture of young Anastasia, is not Anastasia. In other books (such as Anastasia's Album), they identify the photograph as Maria Nicholaievna. ??? Has anyone noticed this?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Marlene on July 05, 2005, 01:43:01 PM
I knew Lovell, and in fact, my name is listed in his book on Anastasia.  He was truly convinced about his story - but there was not a shred of truth to it.  He vilified Peter Kurth, and did not know that Peter and I are friends - and have been for years.  

He dedicated his book to his four children.  He didn't have children ... the four were his cats.  He was also trying to arrange for testing of Anna's hair ... as he had bought a good portion of John Manahan's book collection.  Manahan would clip Anna's hair and put in books ... strange but true.  While he was doing this --another good friend of mine had bought several books from the same book dealer and had found hair (which had roots.)    I put her in touch with Peter who made arrangements for the hair to be tested.  (my very small role in the Anna Anderson saga) .. This was being done at the same time as the DNA testing in the UK - from the tissue sample taken from the Charlottesville Hospital.  Peter and I were in touch with a journalist from the local paper there - who refused to talk with Lovell, who was not being pleasant (and the paper, for various reasons, did not trust Lovell.)

You asked about Lovell.  He died from AIDS - this was in his obit.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Ilana on July 05, 2005, 02:12:19 PM
I remember reading Lovell's book and not being able to sleep because the scenes that AA described to him were so frightful.  I'm so glad that they're not true.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: xX_Mashka_Xx on July 06, 2005, 12:09:36 PM
Well now I don't believe anything in that book. There were a few facts that were true, but any Romanov fan would know these. There were alot of strange things in this book. IMO, I don't know how anyone could believe Anna Anderson, she looked nothing like Anastasia.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: NAAOTMA on July 06, 2005, 06:46:19 PM
Marlene, thank you for sharing your information with us. It helps shed light on an already complicated and sad story.

I too am glad that Mrs. Manahan's stories regarding what happened in the House of Special Purpose were simply the result of her imagination.

And when I read from various sources about the squalor that Anna Anderson lived in, and her habit of collecting pets but not caring for them in a responsible manner, I always felt sorry for her cats and dogs. And wondered if medication for OCD would have helped her.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Marlene on July 06, 2005, 08:00:33 PM
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Marlene, thank you for sharing your information with us. It helps shed light on an already complicated and sad story.

I too am glad that Mrs. Manahan's stories regarding what happened in the House of Special Purpose were simply the result of her imagination.

And when I read from various sources about the squalor that Anna Anderson lived in, and her habit of collecting pets but not caring for them in a responsible manner, I always felt sorry for her cats and dogs. And wondered if medication for OCD would have helped her.


I think what Lovell wrote was a result of his imagination, which is why his book should be treated as fiction.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 06, 2005, 08:24:05 PM
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I have to use two historians, and so one I am DEFINATELY using already is Kurth. The other I was thinking, and tossing between is either John Klier and Robert K. Massie. Both have differing points of view in concerns with AA, and even though Massie seems to be a little bit more commerical in his writing, he details more on AA than Klier and Mingay.
 


Niteshade,

I met John Klier about two months ago when I was in London. I went to see him in his office at the University of London and for a couple of hours we discussed our mutual topics of interest in Russian history and of course his book on Anastasia. Dr Klier is a very pleasant man who was more than willing to talk about what he knows about Anastasia and Anna Anderson. In a nutshell, he does not in any way believe that AA was Anastasia and he is completely convinced (in his own words "110%") that she was the person she has long been proclaimed to be: Franziska Schankowska. He thinks that the notion that AA was someone other than FS is ridiculous... I believe that his wife, Helen Mingay, shares his opinions. Dr Klier is pretty receptive to communication, if you want to try emailing him, while Robert Massie (whom I have also met and spoke to last year for an article I was writing) is lot more difficult to engage.

Helen

Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Finelly on July 06, 2005, 08:57:14 PM
All biographers have their own particular slant or perspective, and different biographers can draw different conclusions about the same individual or set of circumstances. This is what makes it interesting for me - I love to read multiple bios of the same people.

However, when an author makes things up...............it screws up and skews up the entire picture, doesn't it.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: NAAOTMA on July 07, 2005, 11:10:34 PM
I can understand an author embellishing or slanting a story to reflect his or her own beliefs. But when an author dedicates his book to his "children" and they are actually his cats, that is taking it a whole lot further into mondo bizarro. Why not just dedicate the book to your cats and be done with it?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: aya-anya on July 09, 2005, 04:25:34 AM
Marlene, thank you so much for the details about Lovell! In my country, Lovell's book has authority...simply because Kurth's book has not translated in my country.

xX_Mashka_Xx, I have also noticed that one photo in "Anastasia's Album" was confusing. The one in which Anastasia seemed to be studying--the author of the book wrote it was Maria, but actually it was Anastasia.

aya-anya
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Finelly on July 09, 2005, 08:55:48 AM
How bizarre that Kurth's book has not been translated, but Lovell's has!!!  Kurth's book is so much better researched and authoritative, even though his conclusions were, in the end, wrong.......
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Lanie on July 10, 2005, 11:40:13 PM
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Marlene, thank you so much for the details about Lovell! In my country, Lovell's book has authority...simply because Kurth's book has not translated in my country.

xX_Mashka_Xx, I have also noticed that one photo in "Anastasia's Album" was confusing. The one in which Anastasia seemed to be studying--the author of the book wrote it was Maria, but actually it was Anastasia.

aya-anya


No, the photograph is 110% Maria Nikolaevna.

Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: xX_Mashka_Xx on July 11, 2005, 12:54:41 PM
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No, the photograph is 110% Maria Nikolaevna


It's a great mistake that he made. How could he over look such an error? It rather destroys his credibility.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 11, 2005, 01:32:58 PM
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It's a great mistake that he made. How could he over look such an error? It rather destroys his credibility.


That would assume he has any credibility left to destroy. He doesn't. If anyone knows the current "players" in Romanov World, they know (and mostly love, and admire) PK.

As to the poster who wanted a second source, I daresay, pick anyone but Lovell and you're done a better job than going with him.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: niteshade1312 on July 15, 2005, 07:25:53 AM
thanks a lot guys, you've been most helpful.. and Im not doing Lovell because I can't get my hands on his writing  :o
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: RealAnastasia on August 05, 2005, 09:51:25 PM
After reading Jimmy Blair Lovell's book about Anastasia, I got curious about his life. Too many people states that he was a very nervous instable man, and not a reliable source...The only certain thing I know is that he died sometime ago. May you tell me something about this author's life. I got interested after reading his "Anastasia; the lost Princess" and getting very suspect about it.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Scott on August 05, 2005, 10:48:46 PM
There's already a thread on this: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Books;action=display;num=1120475399
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: RealAnastasia on August 06, 2005, 03:43:24 PM
Thank you, Scott! I didn't notice the other thread!  ;D

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Louis_Charles on September 30, 2005, 03:54:59 PM
I just read through Lovell's book, and I have a question. Since he never sources anything, there is nothing to backtrack and check. Is it believed that he made up the Anastasia Manahan interview during the showing of King Kong, or do people accept that she told this story? That is, that the Imperial women had been sent to Perm?

Simon
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 30, 2005, 11:20:08 PM
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It's a great mistake that he made. How could he over look such an error? It rather destroys his credibility.


I suppose it's no worse than labeling a portrait of Grand Duchess Elisabeth as Alexandra in the latter's biography. So perhaps this type of thing is more common than we realize...
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 30, 2005, 11:50:34 PM
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I think what Lovell wrote was a result of his imagination, which is why his book should be treated as fiction.


This book made me entirely sad, Marlene. I agree with you: Blair Lovell's book is a result of his imagination and only that. The only reliable info in it is copied of Peter Kurth's book...When some info seems to deny the fact that AA was AN he simply wouldn't quote it. The last AA interview with the Schanzkowskys was treated too soft in "Anastasia; the Lost Princess", as if AA would go to meet them, and they said "No; it isn't Franziska. We must go", when we know what Gertrude Schanzkowska said when she saw AA : "You are my sister! Admit it! Admit it!"...

The book is a fiasko, with no sources at all...and made up events, a thing that a serious historian can not accept.  I read somewhere in this same Forum that Blair Lovell admitted, when he was dying that he made up the whole "King-Kong" story and the AA's account about Perm. The fact was that HE was convinced of Summer and Mangolds wild theories about Alix and the girls being alive after Nicholas and Alexei being murdered at Ekaterinburg and escaping to Perm ...So he put his own word in Anna's mouth. Too bad.

And when I think that he assured that "he was not an Anastasia fanatic as other AA's historians and supporters were", I don't know what to do...To cry or to laugh. Blair Lovell is, by far, the more "AA's fanatic" who I even know in all my life.

Jimmy is no more among us to defend himself, but I think that this book is pathetic. It speaks more about Blair Lovell that about AA. And I have the impression that Anna made fun of him when they meet but Blair Lovell didn't realize it.

Too pathetic. Too sad.

I read the book as an Agatha Christy novel....As a history book, the thing is unacceptable.  :'(

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Louis_Charles on October 01, 2005, 12:00:40 AM
I tend to agree with you, Vanesa, but I would still like some kind of confirmation --- is there proof that he made up the King Kong interview?

Simon
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Belochka on October 01, 2005, 12:19:33 AM
Lovell's work only proves that there are books on the market which claim to present factual material. Not before time they are refuted to be less than credible or no longer scientifically valid.

Kurth's book, detailing AA profile, while well written lead to incorrect conclusions that have been since confirmed by indisputable scientific analysis, a few years after its publication.

No doubt these are not the only examples ....  :(  
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 01, 2005, 08:45:11 PM
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I tend to agree with you, Vanesa, but I would still like some kind of confirmation --- is there proof that he made up the King Kong interview?

Simon


Anna Anderson was an exentric lady, we must admit that (The fact I'll think that the woman was Anastasia is not a proof of her mental sanity. I know that in her later years she was senile and enjoyed to fool people. Even Lovell admited it in his book). She could have told what Lovell claims she did when Jack was still watching "King-Kong". It is the kind of stories she loved to tell to people in her later years. The first time I read the book I believed that Anastasia Manahan herself had said this stupidity to him to make him believe it, and laugh at him when she was alone (I swear that she catch in a glance, what kind of people the poor Jimmy Blair Lovell was...Did you remember the story where she said to him that she had choosed him to reveal her "truth" for she believed that he was the reincarnation of the Tsar?  :D)But later, when I was lurking in this forum, long before being a member, I read a post saying that Lovell had confessed when dying that he made up the "King-Kong Story". I must find the page. It was here, I'm sure of it.

Both things are possible: 1) AA made up the whole story and told it to Lovell to laugh at him.

                                        2) Lovell made up the story, as he supposed and made up other parts of his book. His fantasy brings him not only to said that AA was Anastasia (I don't believe he made any serious scientifical research about AA-FS-AN before writing his book. I think that he wanted to believe that she was Anastasia and borned himself to take some information here and there in other serious books about the matter to copy it in his own book, completing it with his own wild theories and some laugheable stuff...Without mentioning the photos, that are simply awful)

          I think that the most probable it's that he made up the story, for after reading the Summers and Mangold book , he get convinced that Alix and the girls were bring to Perm inestead to be killed. He insist along all his book that the Romanovs being murdered in Ekaterinburg is not a fact but a "theory of the History", never proved. Then, he wanted Anastasia saying it to him...only in order to match the story with Summers and Mangold theories.All very sick and absolutely against history methods.  :(

          RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Louis_Charles on October 01, 2005, 11:06:16 PM
The details of the story she supposedly gave are so horrifying and salacious that I can only hope that Lovell made them up. Surely these were not the kind of things that Andersen would have made up, since it involved actions performed against her father, mother and sisters that  a woman of her supposed breeding couldn't use to make fun of someone's credulity.

Is there anyone who might be able to confirm or deny Lovell's "creation" of the rape stories?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Marlene on October 04, 2005, 10:31:36 AM
Lovell had a febrile imagination.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 06, 2005, 09:30:17 PM
Thank you, Marlene. I supposed it, without confirmation, though...

Poor guy!

RealAnastasia. :'(
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: imperial angel on October 11, 2005, 11:26:54 AM
This was the first book about the Romanovs I read, and I never liked it much, I was only 11 at the time just getting into the Romanovs but luckily it didn't confuse me too much about real history. I don't think there is much real history in it, because it is about Anna Anderson first of all who was not Anastasia, and that even the information about her could well be inaccurate.

It truthfully gives a very negative picture of both Anna Anderson, James Blair Lovell, and of Anna Anderson's husband. This could well have been Anna Anderson's reality, since I don't believe she was in her right mind, but if you never believed in her before you certainly won't after this book. I think the book has the opposite effect of the intention. Largely, it is nonsense, and could never be called anything else, but I think it gives a better picture of the real Anna Anderson than does Kurth's book in all her pathetic glory. She was surrounded by idiots like Lovell, was a idiot herself, and one feels if Anastasia could see this book she would laugh :D Sad ::)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: imperial angel on January 19, 2006, 11:04:34 AM
HI! I was wondering what anybody thought of the book that James Blair Lovell edited/wrote, that is a picture book-I believe the title is Royal Russia-but I'm not sure. I have heard it contains errors and inaccuracies. If there is already a thread on this topic, please just delete, I went through everything and there did not seem to be. :)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 19, 2006, 12:08:11 PM
I think the book you are looking for is ROYAL RUSSIA by Carol Townend, from the James Blair Lovell collection.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Georgiy on January 19, 2006, 02:32:28 PM
There are the inevitable misidentified daughters, but it is a good book to have as there are pictures in it you won't see elsewhere. (Though this is true of all the 'album' type books. if they rehashed the same pictures again and again with nothing 'new', no one would buy the books!) It has a very nice clear copy of OTMA sitting on the couch in 1916.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: imperial angel on January 22, 2006, 11:56:31 PM
Thanks for the info! I bought the book, and I like it!
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Georgiy on January 23, 2006, 03:26:17 PM
You're welcome. It's a good little book and the misidentities aren't really too troubling - if you spend enough time at AP, you'll be one of those who can ID a Grand Duchess in a blurry, dark photo with no problem! Publishers of Romanov books should hire us as editors!
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Laura Mabee on January 23, 2006, 04:12:09 PM
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Publishers of Romanov books should hire us as editors!

Hahaha, I can't agree more  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 01, 2006, 01:45:11 PM
Definitely, it seems so easy it's as if we knew the girls personally. But sometimes it's painful when someone not too reliable lables the photos...
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on May 17, 2006, 04:59:48 PM
Sorry to drag up such an old thread but could someone explain what the 'King Kong Story' is? I can't get a hold of the book and would really appreciate it.  :)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Abby on May 18, 2006, 08:03:37 AM
It has been a while since I've read it, but I think I remember. According to Lovell, he and Anna Anderson were watching a screening of "King Kong" in the theater, and the movie upset her; the recurring themes of a 'king' being taken down by the 'people' and everything sort of reminded her of the Czar, I guess. And then she supposedly poured her heart out to Lovell and told him things that happened to the family while they were imprisoned in Ekaterinburg...without going into too much disturbing detail she hinted that the entire family was raped, and they were verbally abusive. But then I heard afterward that Lovell fabricated this part of the book and she never said those things at all. So I don't know!
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Ra-Ra-Rasputin on May 18, 2006, 08:19:04 AM
Yep, as Abby says, the King Kong story is about when Lovell, AA and her husband were at the cinema watching King Kong, then AA left and Lovell went to speak to her.  AA basically claimed that every member of the IF apart from Alexei was raped repeatedly on several occasions while the rest of the family was forced to watch.  Then AA apparently went on to claim that the GDs and Alexandra were taken away to Perm in a train, separated, and then AA ran away and met this mysterious Tchaikovsky figure.

Needless to say this is all a fabrication and definitely should not be taken seriously! Whether Lovell or AA made it up, I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past either of them!

The James Blair Lovell book was one of the first I read about the Romanovs, and it certainly led me down the garden path for a while until I discovered real, scholarly books and not trash! I still have my copy though.  For sentimental reasons I like to keep it, rather than for any intellectual value!

Rachel
xx
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on May 18, 2006, 04:44:41 PM
Thanks Ra-Ra-Rasputin and Abby. I can't believe Lovell [or Anderson] would fabricate such a terrible lie.  >:(
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 02, 2007, 09:40:22 PM
I just recently got this book.  I know that there are inaccuracies, but I have a questions about pictures of identified as "Maria" and her hair is up.

Now in 1915 when these pictures were taken, Maria would have been 16 and so could have been putting her hair up, but the face just doesn't look like Maria at all.

However, it isn't Tatiana as she is so much different facially than her sisters and in some of the pictures Olga (who it really looks like) is actually in the picture, too!

On my book the cover photo is of the four girls and three of them have their hair up and one, Anastasia, does not.

Can someone direct me to the obvious errors?

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/scan002001.jpg)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 03, 2007, 02:54:10 PM
Are you talking about the photo on the front of the book? The girls are in age order and Maria's there definitely...or are you talking about another photo?
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 03, 2007, 08:04:46 PM
I thought that would be Maria, but it is so unusual to see her with her hair up and she looks (to me) very much like Olga.

Thanks   ;)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: s.v.markov on July 04, 2007, 05:17:41 AM
My copy is an earlier one (1995) with a different cover, showing the double-headed eagle emblem and golden tassles to make it look like a genuine old photo album. Maybe it has been corrected in later editions, but in my copy the famous photo of Pierre Gilliard conducting a lesson on the terrace at Livadia (page 83) is captioned 'The French tutor Pierre Gilliard with Maria and Tatiana'. There are two mistakes in that caption! The same photo is also featured in Daniel Girardin's 'Precepteur des Romanov' (p26), with the caption 'Pierre Gilliard with Olga and Maria at Livadia in 1911'. That is particularly unfortunate, as Girardin's book tells the story of Pierre Gillard, who knew the four Grand Duchesses so well and would be distressed to see them confused in this way.  The picture can be found in many different books, but at least it is correctly captioned in Peter Kurth's 'Tsar : The Lost World...' (p107) 'Olga and Tatiana perch on the balustrade as Pierre Gilliard gives a lesson on the terrace'.  Perhaps someone would be kind enough to post the photo and confirm the identities for those who do not own the books. I cannot post pictures from here at the moment.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 04, 2007, 09:23:33 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/olgatatiana.jpg)


Here is the picture form the book I have.  the text is not clear in this picture but it says, "The French tutor, Pierre Gilliard, with Maria and Tatiana. etc"
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 04, 2007, 09:32:42 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/mariajpeg.jpg)



This is the picture of Maria where I find that she seems to have "grown up" and looks older so fast.  She would have been just 16 in this picture, but she looks (to me) much older.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: s.v.markov on July 04, 2007, 03:47:11 PM
Yes, I agree. She's wearing the same dress in the picture on p.99 of the book AND she's with Olga, which makes for a good comparison. Can you post that one too Alixz? Thanks.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 04, 2007, 06:14:56 PM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/Livadia13/mariaOlga.jpg)


This is the picture from page 99.    8)
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Sarushka on July 05, 2007, 12:01:56 AM
The photo with Gilliard on the balcony at Liviadia in 1911 is of Olga and Tatiana.

The other two photos are indeed of Maria Nikolaevna in 1915. I've found identically labeled photos in a Russian book in the New York Public Library's online collection, and I believe they're correct.

Once Maria began wearing her hair up, she showed a remarkable resemblance to Olga -- it's often tricky to tell them apart after 1915. However, Maria tended to part her hair in the middle, while Olga's is generally parted over her right eye.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Alixz on July 05, 2007, 09:29:13 AM
Thank you Sarushka.

I just find it amazing that Marie N's looks changed to much in about a one year period.

It is hard to find a resemblance to the pictures of her just a year before.

I find the same thing happens with Alexei.  From imprisonment at Tsarskoe Selo to sawing wood with Nicholas in Tobolsk, Alexei has grown and become quite a different much more mature looking young man.

His health seems to have been good through this time and he is walking straight and is physically active.  But it is his face that seems to have changed and grown so much older and more mature.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: OlgaNRomanovaFan on July 13, 2007, 06:05:56 AM
In both this book and Frances Welch's book 'A Romanov Fantasy : Life At The Court of Anna Anderson' this photo of Maria is indentified as Anastasia. It's odd since in the Welch book it's used as an ear comparision, and it doesn't look at all like AN.


(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/OlgaNRomanovaFan/th_mashka1908_1.jpg) (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/OlgaNRomanovaFan/mashka1908_1.jpg)

Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Rachael89 on July 13, 2007, 10:11:28 AM
They misuse the same photo of the back of Rubies in the Snow clealry implying it's suppose to be Anastasia when it's Maria - these mistakes are so annoying!

Rachael
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 21, 2011, 11:03:20 AM
All the inaccuracies in this album have always maddened me to no end....I'm glad others have been able to prove them false. It was hard enough for me to believe Lovell's book on Anastasia, and ALL his credibility went right out the window for 2 reasons: labeling Maria as Anastasia, and for saying there was a 5th daughter. Oy vey.
Title: Re: James Blair Lovell books
Post by: Sarushka on April 21, 2011, 02:08:50 PM
ALL his credibility went right out the window for 2 reasons: labeling Maria as Anastasia, and for saying there was a 5th daughter.

IMO, the first isn't sufficient reason to dump someone's credibility -- the APTM main site makes the very same mistake in one of its albums. Silly little flubs happen to everyone.