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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Maria Nicholaievna => Topic started by: dac87 on July 09, 2005, 03:43:28 PM

Title: Maria in the movies
Post by: dac87 on July 09, 2005, 03:43:28 PM
This is a rather odd observation and I was unsure as to where to put this topic (in films section or Maria's section), but I have noticed that in the many films depicting their lives (save that of the Anastasia films, and the 1971 film Nicholas and Alexandra) Maria is always the more focused on daughter.  Examples:

Rasputin and the Emperess:  Maria is a large part of the film.    She is the only daughter who's character gets developed and other than Anastasia (who had one line) she is the only daughter to talk.

Assassin of the Tsar:  Yet again, Maria is the only daughter with lines and it is her voice that opens the film.  

Lost Prince:  Maria is the pretty blonde girl that Johnny is so mesmirized (sp?) with.  She actually symbolizes The entire Romanov family and the brutality of Revolution.

Rasputin (Rickman version):  She is given more screen time than any of the other daughters.

Knowing that all her life, Maria always felt like the forgotten sister, I think it is kinda neat how the media turned the tables and made her just as important as her other sisters.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 09, 2005, 04:13:08 PM
I think this is for two reasons:

A) She was so good and so pretty

and

B) When the bones were found, she was the first one to be presumed missing from the grave. I think the Russians (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I read The Final Chapter) still believe Maria is missing.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: RealAnastasia on July 09, 2005, 09:40:10 PM
For me, the must beatiful of the daughters was Olga. But Maria was a sweet, good creature who wanted to marry and have children, a warm person who didn't wants to hurt anyone. Perhaps is for that that they focused attention on her. I always read that she loved to know details about the life and families of common people. She was a very sympathetic person. And some Russians believes she is missing from the grave (even if doctor Maple said it was Anastasia who is missing), but they didn't know that before 1991, and some of the films you mentioned are older than that.

RealAnastasia (Vanesa)
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Abby on July 09, 2005, 10:30:17 PM
Hmm...that's true. And in 'The Kitchen Boy', the story was basically written around her.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: ferngully on July 10, 2005, 06:10:30 AM
i think maybe the otthers were harder to figure out, but marie was nice to everyone, maybe people felt that she was easier to portray?
selina               xxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 10, 2005, 10:41:42 AM
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For me, the must beatiful of the daughters was Olga.
RealAnastasia (Vanesa)



I think I might agree with you, but it's really a matter of opinion.  :) I know a lot of people believe that Maria is the prettiest one. I myself think she is the healthiest looking one and that might be appealing to filmmakers.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: grandduchess_sofia on July 10, 2005, 11:05:35 AM
healthiest? don't they usually go for the stick thin ones with big breasts? ;D
sopsxx
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 10, 2005, 12:02:37 PM
You got some really good points dac87!
Thanks for posting them. Now I am going to watch those movies all over again, just to see what you mean
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: RussiaSunbeam1918 on July 10, 2005, 02:52:10 PM
Wow, yeah, now that you mention it, they do all revolve around Maria! And even when it's about Anastasia, there will be more on maria than O and T most likely, just because they were closer.

Yeah, the kitchen boy has a lot to do with her, and Anastasia is only in a few scenes. And in that fictional (and in my oppinion, innacurate) Anastasia diaries they talk a lot about her too....

-Dana
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 10, 2005, 04:40:39 PM
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healthiest? don't they usually go for the stick thin ones with big breasts? ;D
sopsxx



None of them were Barbie.  ;)
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Georgiy on July 10, 2005, 05:08:23 PM
Well, in Ventsenosnaya Semya it is Olga who gets the biggest role, with the other 3 about equal. (Though if you had to say it would be in this order: Anastasia, Tatiana and last of all Maria.)  It is the only movie I've seen in which the Tsar's daughters aren't just added in because "they were there too."
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: dac87 on July 10, 2005, 05:49:01 PM
*cries*  Please don't rub the fact that you've seen Ventsenosnaya Semya in my face!  lol. I have searched EVERYWHERE and still can't find a copy!
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Georgiy on July 10, 2005, 05:54:26 PM
Oh! I don't mean to! Don't give up searching - it is well worth the effort.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Margarita Markovna on July 10, 2005, 07:42:46 PM
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*cries*  Please don't rub the fact that you've seen Ventsenosnaya Semya in my face!  lol. I have searched EVERYWHERE and still can't find a copy!


What is this?
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: RealAnastasia on July 10, 2005, 07:47:13 PM
Maybe is the new Russian film about NAOTMAA murderer?  ???

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: dac87 on July 10, 2005, 07:53:57 PM
It's Romanovy Ventsenosnaya Semya (Romanov an Impirial Family)  which is the much praised Russian film about the last days of the Romanovs.  There are several posts on it on the "movies" thread!
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Ortino on July 11, 2005, 12:17:47 AM
I've heard of that movie, it looks wonderful. The actresses who play the Grand Duchesses and the boy who plays Alexei look, at least in my opinion, almost exactly like them.  Too bad it's entirely in Russian, I would love to see it. :'( :'(

About Marie, I think she evokes that sense of beauty and especially innocence, youth, and purity that most film makers seem to want to portray about the children and the family as a whole. Olga and Tatiana strike me as far too serious and perhaps even a bit too old to capture that image. Anastasia is too comical and frankly the least attractive of the sisters, (just my opinion) making her unable to do the job either. Marie just has the beautiful, pure atmosphere about her.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: grandduchess_sofia on July 11, 2005, 11:51:26 AM
yes, and we know film makers love stereotypes  ;), well bad film makers, and lets face it there are quite a few bad romanov films! ;)
sopsxx
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: RealAnastasia on July 11, 2005, 06:59:20 PM
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I've heard of that movie, it looks wonderful. The actresses who play the Grand Duchesses and the boy who plays Alexei look, at least in my opinion, almost exactly like them.  Too bad it's entirely in Russian, I would love to see it. :'( :'(

About Marie, I think she evokes that sense of beauty and especially innocence, youth, and purity that most film makers seem to want to portray about the children and the family as a whole. Olga and Tatiana strike me as far too serious and perhaps even a bit too old to capture that image. Anastasia is too comical and frankly the least attractive of the sisters, (just my opinion) making her unable to do the job either. Marie just has the beautiful, pure atmosphere about her.



Well; I think that the less attractive of OTMA is Anastasia. She was not the more beatiful, nor the more compassive, nor the more intelligent. She was just the clown, the comical one. So, I don't know if this movie portrayed her so badly. As for Maria, she had indeed the more beatiful and pure atmosphere around her. At least, that's for me. But if I would have been the storyline writers of this film, I would have focused a little more in Olga, who was realizing how in trouble her family was. Don't forget that she loved to read and to analyze things. She even read politics! There are some good depictions of Olga in Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg, being isolated, sad and anguished.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Georgiy on July 12, 2005, 04:39:28 PM
Anastasia was certainly portrayed as a 'clown', and in a hugely entertainling way - you can see that in reality her good spirits must have done a lot for her family whilst in Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: RealAnastasia on July 12, 2005, 07:35:28 PM
I read somewhere (I can't remember the source) that Anastasia has lost most of her comical way in Ekaterinburg. Is it true?

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 12, 2005, 07:39:31 PM
I don't know for fact, but it makes perfect sense to me. I would have lost all my humor by the time I had gotten to Ekaterinburg
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Robby on January 07, 2006, 03:26:34 PM
Me too, I wouldn;t make fun of everything in a time -- so stressfull, and sad. I can understand Anastasia here.
Why would she make fun? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: calebGmoney on January 07, 2006, 11:26:39 PM
Marie actually played a more important role in a way in true life. She was always there to accompany her parents, such as went they were supposedly going to Moscow for trial and when Alexandra was going to beg the guards not to abondon her during the revolution, Grand Duchess Marie was with her.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: ferngully on January 09, 2006, 02:19:43 AM
well in zoya, marie was the only one mentioned as being a playmate and then having measles. the dog she got was hers as well. i know it is entirely made up, but there was a mention of her
selina                           xxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Petrushka on January 09, 2006, 08:26:45 AM
Oddly enough if you watch the movie Nicholas & Alexandra, Maria is the only daughter not mentioned by name? Obviously she is in the film but her character plays no real part.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Margarita Markovna on January 09, 2006, 10:04:32 AM
Hey, I never noticed that! But isn't it her that runs to get the ball and talks to Alexei?
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: nene on January 17, 2006, 09:50:18 AM
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This is a rather odd observation and I was unsure as to where to put this topic (in films section or Maria's section), but I have noticed that in the many films depicting their lives (save that of the Anastasia films, and the 1971 film Nicholas and Alexandra) Maria is always the more focused on daughter.  Examples:

Rasputin and the Emperess:  Maria is a large part of the film.    She is the only daughter who's character gets developed and other than Anastasia (who had one line) she is the only daughter to talk.

Assassin of the Tsar:  Yet again, Maria is the only daughter with lines and it is her voice that opens the film.  

Lost Prince:  Maria is the pretty blonde girl that Johnny is so mesmirized (sp?) with.  She actually symbolizes The entire Romanov family and the brutality of Revolution.

Rasputin (Rickman version):  She is given more screen time than any of the other daughters.

Knowing that all her life, Maria always felt like the forgotten sister, I think it is kinda neat how the media turned the tables and made her just as important as her other sisters.


With the exception of Nicholas and Alexandra, I have never even seen the rest of these movies. I had no idea about Maria being given so much screen time in these films. I have so got to order them to check them out myself. Besides Olga, Maria is another favorite Romanov of mine. Maria is so beautiful, so gay and loving and warm.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: sailor_of_standart on January 26, 2006, 07:04:46 AM
In response to Rasputin (Alan Rickman) I do say that yes Maria is a big part of the movie how ever there is a scene showing Rasputin walking and talking to Olga and Tatiana (although I have to say there is no likeness by either actress of Olga and Tatiana) in the grounds when it is snowing.  In the dining room scene Alexandra says "Pass the potatos please Tatiana."  Tatiana replies "Yes mum".  You see close ups of Anastasia and at times Maria in this scene.  
Also when they are introducing Alexei to high society The camera lingers on Olga and Tatiana for a while.  Altough I was abit confused by who was who as Anastasia didn't seem to have a fringe at the time.    
When the tricentary at the church is shown,  The camera shows the four girls with Alexei and his nose is bleeding Maria takes him away.  
And when Alexei reliease that they are going to die soon he tells OTMA "We are all going to die."  The girls are in shock but you see Maria true to form crying hysterically about it.  
The scene where they are being executed they are all fall on to each other.  Maria is the last to fall to he ground. I know this as I watched it with my boyfriend last week  ;)
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: Georgiy on January 26, 2006, 01:55:34 PM
The scene inside the Church while poignant made me almost laugh as they used a recording of a modern-times Liturgy with prayers for Patriarch Alexei II and for the rulers of the country. They should have hired achoir to sing using the original litanies from Imperial times. It would have been very poignant if when the prayer for the Tsesarevich was being intoned he started bleeding.
Title: Re: Maria in the movies
Post by: sailor_of_standart on January 27, 2006, 07:45:09 AM
I didn't know they had sang today's version inside of the old tsarist version.

But it was a good movie gave my boyfriend and I something to talk about.  

Reading back on my comment Maria did have big bit in the movie.  Although there was equal time for Olga and Tatiana.  At least those girls had speaking lines.