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Title: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: brielle14 on June 14, 2004, 12:44:08 PM
This book was a great, quick read. It's a partly fiction story about a boy who worked as the kitchen boy (hence, the title) for the Romanovs in the Impatiev House. My favorite part includes what happened to the bodies of Alexei and the missing grand duchess.  :D
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: rlgil on July 08, 2004, 01:47:53 PM
Just read it last week and was pretty disappointed.  I am constitutionally unable to pass up reading a Romanov book, especially if I can get it free -- and that was the case with this one.

I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I figured out the "surprise" ending not very far into the book, including all the twists and turns.  I think it was a mistake to sell this book as a "mystery" --  is the narrator really the kitchen boy?  was he really there when the family was executed? and so on.  Much better to focus on the last weeks of the IF, and leave it at that.  People fascinated by the Romanovs are going to read the book; most others are going to give it a miss anyway.

I wanted the book to be better.  Alas . . .

randy
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: CuriousOne on October 05, 2004, 05:05:41 PM
While looking for something else, I ran across the web site for the Kitchen Boy:

http://www.thekitchenboy.com/

C1
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Dandywell on December 20, 2004, 11:54:17 AM
I really enjoyed the book, especially the twists and turns at the end. I did guess the ending, though, but not until about twenty pages to the end. :) In fact, the book is what led me to this site. I liked how they used mostly accepted facts about the Romanovs, and letters and diary entries, not just abunch of crap that the public would enjoy (like with the movie). I learned a lot reading it, and couldn't put it down at the same time.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Bitoelk on December 30, 2004, 02:28:00 PM
I too enjoyed this book but as many others have mentioned prior, the ending was predictable. Overall, I would still say it was a well written piece of historical fiction. A quick read if you have a rainy afternoon and are looking for something to do.  

~Misha~
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 15, 2005, 05:40:22 PM
This is quite possibly my favorite fiction Romanov book besides "My Anastasia" by Sharon Stewart!
I almost felt like I was there, but I almost guessed the ending like other said. That theory really made me beleive that's what happened to Alexei and Maria's bodies.. I still believe Naatsaia is the mssing one though.
It would be awesome if they made a movie for this book!
::)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 15, 2005, 05:47:17 PM
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This is quite possibly my favorite fiction Romanov book besides "My Anastasia" by Sharon Stewart!
 Just off the subject for one second... Moonlight_t, I never heard of this book and Amazon does not seem to have it, where did you find it? Thanks.

Helen
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 15, 2005, 10:16:51 PM
This is for reference to other members interested in this book, I made a new topic for it under the Romanov books section. I found this book by typing "Anastasia" into the google image search engine years ago.
I'm soo glad I did!! :o
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 26, 2005, 08:36:22 PM
I have two questins..why did leonka(or well, *spoiler* the soldier) always refer to the famil and fellow servants with patryonimcs, but they never used his??
INJUSTICE!!! lol, jk! ::) :o ;D
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 26, 2005, 08:37:20 PM
and #2:
did sister Antonina really try and help the Romanovs, or was she just a Bolshevic pawn without knowing it?
she seemed to truthfully believe she was saving the Romanovs.  ???
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 26, 2005, 08:38:36 PM
And a new one!
#3
In the book they say that the  novice marina was english and american, so why at the end was she liing in russia and she didnt reember english very well?  ???
And what i mean is, as a citizne of another country, why did she stay in the communist russia if she didnt want to?
??? ??? ::) ???
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: nerdycool on March 14, 2005, 12:26:02 AM
I am so excited! Today I went to Barnes & Noble and was looking through their Bargain section and "Kitchen Boy" was there! I had wanted to read it but was reluctant to pay the some $24.00 for it, so I gave a little squeal when I saw it for $5.00. I don't know how they rotate their books in that section... whether it's by store or if every store has the same books in the section. So remember, always look in that bargain section!
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on March 14, 2005, 11:09:20 AM
IT'S ALREADY AT THE BN BARGAIN SECTION??
That's really sad.  :(
It's probably just not selling well.  :-/
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Abby on March 14, 2005, 02:06:01 PM
LOL! I love the bargain section! It's the one store that actually has "bargains" in the bargain bin! Never found any Romanov books there, though.
Oh wait! Yes I did, "Michael and Natasha".
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on March 15, 2005, 12:13:12 PM
Yeah, I would love to find Michael and Natasha there! I saw the paperback version of Alexandra: The Last Tsarina there. I was kind of sad because I really liked that book and it was in the $3 bin!!! It was at Christmas time...I got the hardcover one for XMAS about 3 years ago though.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: nerdycool on March 15, 2005, 03:01:44 PM
No, it probably didn't sell well at all. If a lot of people are like me, they don't want to spend $24 on a book that isn't very big, and a work of fiction at that. Maybe if it were paperback and a little cheaper...around the $15 mark perhaps, it would have sold better.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on March 16, 2005, 11:58:19 AM
Yeah, you are right. People overcharge books waaaay too much!
Mine was signed by the author though!

Did I mention that the author asked Lanie to color the cover, but the publisher told her she couldn't?
That's pretty cool huh? :o
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Lanie on March 17, 2005, 01:25:59 AM
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Yeah, you are right. People overcharge books waaaay too much!
Mine was signed by the author though!

Did I mention that the author asked Lanie to color the cover, but the publisher told her she couldn't?
That's pretty cool huh? :o


Actually it wasn't quite like that, LOL.  He just said that I did such a great job, something like he'd rather me do the coloring on the cover but that would never have happened since the publisher has such control over all that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Abby on March 17, 2005, 02:00:26 PM
Lanie that's awsome  :D
Good for you!
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: zimmy on March 17, 2005, 03:36:08 PM
Actually, Lanie has it totally correct...she did a superior job of colorization, but my publisher maintains strict control over artwork.  

I'm new to the discussion board...but just wanted to let you know, since some of you wondered, that The Kitchen Boy continues to sell extremely well and, fortunately, has gone back to press multiple times, particularly in paperback.  After the release of the paperback edition all hardcovers were sent out as remainders, which is customary (I bought a bunch myself).  

Otherwise, thanks for looking at my book.  And when you get a chance, check out the website, www.thekitchenboy.com

Sincerely, Robert Alexander
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Lanie on March 17, 2005, 04:40:32 PM
That's wonderful, Robert!  Glad to hear from you again. :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: La_Mashka on March 31, 2005, 12:13:21 PM
The website is very interesting, excellent job!

I will definetly put this book on my wishlist...
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Ilana on April 01, 2005, 01:27:03 PM
Another author here....yeah! ;)

Anyhow, I, too, enjoyed the book....
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sunny on April 01, 2005, 02:26:27 PM
Read and enjoyed, "The Kitchen Boy"  last year.

Welcome, Robert.

Sunny
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Val289 on April 01, 2005, 10:24:36 PM
Welcome Robert! :)

Also read "The Kitchen Boy" last year and enjoyed it.  It's nice to see another author here!

Perhaps, in the future  - we will all have the pleasure to see one of Lanie's beautiful colourizations on the cover of a Romanov book!

Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on July 12, 2005, 08:45:29 PM
the ending almost   made me cry :(   when i realized  it was Maria  it made feel  Sad in a way   I think its terrible that  they  passed away  in such a horrid way   I Felt happy  that she survived at the  end of  I Guess  I Just  wish it would  have turned out that way in  real life.  Im writing my own  amature  book  about them  escaping  any ideas?? :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on July 12, 2005, 08:50:42 PM
i meant   to  say  "at the  end of the book"
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 13, 2005, 10:24:24 AM
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when i realized  it was.....


You might want to put spoliers around that so nobody reads the ending before they read the book
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on July 13, 2005, 11:52:07 AM
sorry :-[  im new  im still  getting the hang of this
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: imperial angel on October 19, 2005, 12:01:38 PM
I read this book recently, and enjoyed it. It is well written historical fiction, no doubt. It has fictional things in it, but they are always in line with history and are accurate. It is nice to read fiction that only takes fictional liberties that do not confuse or hinder people. If someone reads this book, they get a fairly good sense of the real historical Romanovs. That is not true of other fictionlizations of the Romanovs. It is a bit of a mystery, but I didn't figure it out until the end.I had looked through the book before I read it, so I think the book has enough suspense. It is easily read, informative and makes for good fiction. I think the romanovs would have enjoyed which is more than you can say of some books about them. I did review this book, should post it here. But then, I always say I will post my reviews and never do. ;)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: anna on October 21, 2005, 09:37:04 AM
The same author of the Kitchen Boy - Robert Alexander has written a new book "Rasputins Daughter". I exidentily bumped on it on eBay, it's an advanced readers copy published this year. The book has a lovely cover with a photo of Tatiana.
When looking for the book on Amazon, it says it will be released january 19th 2006.

Anna
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on October 21, 2005, 06:35:13 PM
Thank you, Anna, for the heads-up on Rasputin's Daughter! I'm going to try to get an ARC from my bookstore's Penguin Putnam rep. I'll let you know if I'm successful!
8)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Mie on November 03, 2005, 10:44:43 AM
I liked the book very much..  :) in my home country here is not much of FIKTION books about romanov transelate into finnish and I had to read this book in english... but I liked the book.. only that disprupped me that the missing body was Maria, not Anastasja... In real live The kitcen boy did not give those letters to tzar I suppose? who gave if somebody can tell... :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: anna on November 03, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
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I liked the book very much..  :) in my home country here is not much of FIKTION books about romanov transelate into finnish and I had to read this book in english... but I liked the book.. only that disprupped me that the missing body was Maria, not Anastasja... In real live The kitcen boy did not give those letters to tzar I suppose? who gave if somebody can tell... :)


I've read the book a long time ago, but Thanks for telling the clou, you spoiled it for the ones who didn't read the book but want to. You shouldn't have done this.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 03, 2005, 02:32:35 PM
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Thank you, Anna, for the heads-up on Rasputin's Daughter! I'm going to try to get an ARC from my bookstore's Penguin Putnam rep. I'll let you know if I'm successful!
 8)


(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/474/sdaughter8gp.jpg)

This is what the books looks like... BTW, is this book going to imply that Tatiana was Rasputin's daughter??  :o
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: anna on November 03, 2005, 04:55:15 PM
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This is what the books looks like... BTW, is this book going to imply that Tatiana was Rasputin's daughter??  :o


Let's hope not :o

The book is about Rasputin seen through the eyes of his daughter Maria. Why this photo of Tatiana is on the cover of the book is indeed a bit strange, I hope R. Alexander isn't going to surprise us with unexpected and unbelievable stories.

Two book reviews:

From Publishers Weekly:
In an endeavor similar to his debut novel, The Kitchen Boy, Alexander couples extensive research and poetic license, this time turning his enthusiasm toward perhaps the most intriguing player in the collapse of the Russian dynasty: Rasputin. This eyebrow-raising account of the final week of the notorious mystic's life is set in Petrograd in December 1916 and narrated by Rasputin's fiery teenage daughter, Maria. The air in the newly renamed capital is thick with dangerous rumors, many concerning Maria's father, whose close relationship with the monarchy—he alone can stop the bleeding of the hemophiliac heir to the throne—invokes murderous rage among members of the royal family. Maria is determined to protect her father's life, but the further she delves into his affairs, the more she wonders: who, exactly, is Rasputin? Is he the holy man whose genuine ability to heal inspires a cult of awed penitents, or the libidinous drunkard who consumes 12 bottles of Madeira in a single night, the unrestrained animal she spies "[eagerly] holding [the] housekeeper by her soft parts"? Does this unruly behavior link him to an outlawed sect that believes sin overcomes sin? The combination of Alexander's research and his rich characterizations produces an engaging historical fiction that offers a Rasputin who is neither beast nor saint, but merely, compellingly human.

Book Description:
With the same riveting historical narrative that made The Kitchen Boy a national bestseller and a book-club favorite, Robert Alexander returns to revolutionary Russia for the harrowing tale of Rasputin’s final days as told by his youthful and bold daughter, Maria. Interrogated by the provisional government on the details of her father’s death, Maria vividly recounts a politically tumultuous Russia, where Rasputin’s powerful influence over the throne is unsettling to all levels of society and the threats to his life are no secret. With vast conspiracies mounting against her father, Maria must struggle with the discovery of Rasputin’s true nature—his unbridled carnal appetites, mysterious relationship with the empress, rumors of involvement in secret religious cults—to save her father from his murderers. Swept away in a plot much larger than the death of one man, Maria finds herself on the cusp of the Russian Revolution itself. With Rasputin’s Daughter, Robert Alexander once again delivers an imaginative and compelling story, fashioned from one of history’s most fascinating characters who, until now, has been virtually unexplored in fiction.

Anna

Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on November 03, 2005, 07:15:15 PM
Weee!

I just got an advance copy from a Penguin sales rep! After 50 pages, I've only spotted one outright mistake, but I'm jotting down a list of what you might call items of 'artistic license' that we can debate the likelihood of when I'm through. I'll let you know my final verdict in a day or two.

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This is what the books looks like... BTW, is this book going to imply that Tatiana was Rasputin's daughter??  :o


He's got some fancy writing to do, if that's the case! Probably the choice of cover art is just because even a bunch of Romanov nuts like us are unlikely to recognize Maria Rasputin. Incidentally, the little photo of a monk in the lower right corner isn't Rasputin, either...  ::)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Ortino on November 03, 2005, 09:15:58 PM
I actually like the cover even though it has nothing to do with Maria Rasputin. Who wouldn't want to put lovely Tatiana on the cover?  ;D Robert Alexander seems to like to use her on his covers-she appears on The Kitchen Boy cover as well. I always get excited when a new Romanov book comes out so I look forward to reading this one.  ;)

EDIT: According to Amazon, this book is quite a bit longer than The Kitchen Boy. 320 pages versus 240 pages. Longer is always better.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Mie on November 03, 2005, 11:31:09 PM
 I've read the book a long time ago, but Thanks for telling the clou, you spoiled it for the ones who didn't read the book but want to. You shouldn't have done this.

I'm sorry  :-[ but I hope that Ii did not spoil everything.. :)

I'm kind of curious about that why there is Tatiana in taht cover...  ??? but it can not tell that tatiana is rasputins daugter 'couse it isn't trye.. :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: imperial angel on November 04, 2005, 08:47:59 AM
The photo of Tatiana is beautiful, but she was most certainly not Rasputin's daughter. However, I doubt this author would ever try to imply this. It would indeed take artistic license. I think he just likes to use Tatiana on his covers. And what a beautiful cover girl she was. ;)
I am sure the book is good, as the last one was. In the last one he did not take too many liberties, so I doubt he did here.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Janet_W. on November 04, 2005, 09:18:24 AM
Count me among those who are annoyed that Tatiana's image is being used to sell a book told from another person's viewpoint. The author and his publishers have used her once before; that was enough. Alas, Maria Rasputin was not nearly as comely as Tatiana . . . but if the author doesn't have the huevos to support his heroine, why should we?
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on November 04, 2005, 09:41:32 AM
Actually, you'd be amazed how little say-so authors get regarding cover art -- even bestselling authors!
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: AGRBear on November 04, 2005, 10:05:08 AM
Should Rasputin's Daughter have it's own thread?

The topic here is The Kitchen Boy.

One of the things I always wonder is  why no one can find a single photo of Leonid Sednev.  


AGRBear
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: imperial angel on November 04, 2005, 12:08:58 PM
Yes, this book should have its own thread. But I have not read this book so I do not feel entitled to start a thread, someone else should. I would post to it though, no doubt. It is kind of sad that this book has Tatiana on the cover if it is not directly about Tatiana. I would love to know if it was the author or publisher's descion to put on the cover. It really is a wonderful cover, though as Tatiana was a wonderful beauty. I will try to read this book eventuall, but I know little about it otherwise, so maybe I shoudn't be posting? ;)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Ortino on November 04, 2005, 02:16:43 PM
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Yes, this book should have its own thread. But I have not read this book so I do not feel entitled to start a thread, someone else should. I would post to it though, no doubt. It is kind of sad that this book has Tatiana on the cover if it is not directly about Tatiana. I would love to know if it was the author or publisher's descion to put on the cover. It really is a wonderful cover, though as Tatiana was a wonderful beauty. I will try to read this book eventuall, but I know little about it otherwise, so maybe I shoudn't be posting? ;)


Nicholas and Tatiana appeared on the last cover and they had nothing directly to do with the story. If anything, they should have had a picture of Alexei and Marie. Either way, I like it.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on November 05, 2005, 05:22:36 PM
I just started a new thread -- come on over!

Rasputin's Daughter, by Robert Alexander (http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Books;action=display;num=1131229223)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: zimmy on November 07, 2005, 10:39:38 AM
Hi,

I'm the author of The Kitchen Boy and the forthcoming Rasputin's Daughter...and please be assured that I did major battle with my publisher NOT to use the image of Tatiana on the cover or the smaller image of the monk in the lower right (who is definitely not Rasputin).  My agent got involved also, and, well, we lost.  There are so many people who know so much about the Romanovs, and I was/am afraid of what it would imply, of course (and, NO, the book does not imply that Tatiana was Rasputin's daughter, or any such absurd thing).

As one of you mentioned, authors have minimal input into cover design, particularly when the marketing department gets involved.  In the end, my publisher colorized a black and white photo of Tatiana because her expression is so evocative, and the broad river and pine woods in the background so very Russian.  I argued that the folks on sites like this would recognize Tatiana instantly; they argued that 98% of the readers wouldn't know; I pleaded for another photo of someone else; they countered that they tried another photo but the image was not nearly as beautiful as this -- and a striking cover sells books.  

Even though I would never have chose this cover, I look at it (or at least this is how I console myself) as a paradigm for the beauty of Russia -- both her landscape and people.  On another note, some folks are beginning to quibble with some of the facts -- and I actually disagree with some of those comments and stick to my beliefs.  I'm sure, though, I've made some mistakes, but in the end what's important to me is the tone and whether it takes the reader to a greater understanding of that time and place, or at the very least least adds a human dimension to all the wonderful non-fiction works out there.

For those of you who enjoyed the trailer at www.thekitchenboy.com, you might want to take a look at the new trailer: www.rasputinsdaughter.com

Thanks for your interest (and cumulative knowledge!) , and all best, Robert (Alexander)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: imperial angel on November 07, 2005, 10:49:40 AM
The cover is beautiful, and I sincerely doubted that the author would imply anything such as mentioned before on this thread. It is a striking cover, it will sell the book, no doubt. But there will be endless people wondering about the plot ;)I think most people on this board know that is Tatiana, but anybody in a bookstore, who is struck by the cover and picks it up won't.So I think the cover is beautiful, but they will be be people wondering ''Is Tatiana Rasputin's daughter according to this book''? Too bad... another image would have been more appropriate. But I am sure it is a excellant book, and I really enjoyed the Kitchen Boy.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Lucien on November 18, 2005, 07:08:46 PM
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No, it probably didn't sell well at all. If a lot of people are like me, they don't want to spend $24 on a book that isn't very big, and a work of fiction at that. Maybe if it were paperback and a little cheaper...around the $15 mark perhaps, it would have sold better.


I was at the open air bookmarket here in Amsterdam today,well,yesterday,as it's already early baptism morning here,saturday,but I ran into this book,for the simple sum of Euro 9.That's save with me now here at home,it's not much of a read,I mean scientifically,it's a what if...book,but it adds to my Romanov collection. :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on November 25, 2005, 09:38:02 PM
I just started reading The Kitchen Boy today and have to say that I was disappointed at the length of this novel---229 pages.
But, so far, and I am SURE it will remain that way, gaining maximum strength, it is the BEST ROMANOV BOOK that I have ever read.
The way Robert Alexander has combined true with fiction is incredible!! Example:

     *~SPOILER~* *~SPOILER~*  *~SPOILER~*  

Once the young Tsarevicn explained, (how to use a camera)I stepped back several feet, aimed the thing, and repeated what a photogrpher had told me when he'd taken my one and only portrait, "Now say eezyoom."
  Rather than saying "raisin", Aleksei Nikolaevich remained silent, staring oddly at me and raising both hands, palms out. I operated the shutter, made it open and close, and then just stood there, afraid to move.
  "It's done. You tok the picture," advised the Heir.


What amazed me from this was that it is describing an actual photograph!! It was one ofthe last pictures taken of Aleksei, in Tobolsk.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Grand_Duchess_Romanov/alex27.jpg)

I do not know if this was intentional by the author or not.

Sofi :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on November 25, 2005, 09:48:54 PM
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It was the last picture taken of Aleksei, on the steamship Rus.

Nit-pick alert!

Actually, the photo you posted was taken at Tobolsk. If you look behind Aleksei's arms, you can see the striped fabric of his camp bed. Also, he's wearing a nightshirt.

Here's the Rus photo:
Aleksei's last photo (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/100_2301.jpg)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on November 25, 2005, 11:11:03 PM
I am so sorry, I REALLY swear to God, and I am religious, knew that!!! :-[
Yes, I always get those 2 mixed up because he has a long and thin face in both.

Hey!! What is a nit-pick??!!

Sofi
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Olga_Anna on November 25, 2005, 11:19:58 PM
When I read the book for the first time I thought the same thing as you, Grand_Duchess#5!! I'll have to check the book out again and read it for the 4th time. It was really good!!
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on November 26, 2005, 12:21:12 AM
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I am so sorry, I REALLY swear to God, and I am religious, knew that!!! :-[
Yes, I always get those 2 mixed up because he has a long and thin face in both.

Hey!! What is a nit-pick??!!

No big deal -- we all make mistakes.

A nit-picker is somebody who corrects small (and often insignificant) mistakes.  Basically, it's a person obsessed with details ;D
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: imperial angel on November 28, 2005, 02:56:56 PM
TThis is a what if book.. but isn't everything a what if in history, and isn't it mostly what ifs that we debate on this board? At least, I think so. It is a good book, although the next one has a rather different cover, that doesn't suit the subject. It is an intriguing mix of real life, and what might have been, with some fiction thrown in.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on November 29, 2005, 01:24:06 AM
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When I read the book for the first time I thought the same thing as you, Grand_Duchess#5!! I'll have to check the book out again and read it for the 4th time. It was really good!!



Woah you must really like thos book! I'm only reading it for the 2nd time now! ;D
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on November 29, 2005, 10:47:49 AM
 ;D ;D
I finished the book the day before yesterday!! I read it in 2 days, I probably would have read it in one day, but I got it in the evening so, I would not have been able to. ::) ;)
It was good, but since I am no Nancy Drew, I had no clue what the surprise ending would be..until it happened.  8)

Now, on to the Romanov Prophecy!!


Sofi :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Mie on December 26, 2005, 05:53:55 AM
I'd like to know how much of this book is true. I tried to go to the website of this book but i could'n get there.. :( I know that the kitchen boy is true and nuns and I have red that nuns really tryed to help -but tried the boy help them? And those messages were true too- but what was the really role of the kitchen boy??
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on December 26, 2005, 10:38:33 AM
Leonid Sednev was the Imperial Family's kitchen hand at the Ipatiev House.
He was sent away (not shot like Nagorny) the day before the murders.
No one knows why the kitchen boy was spared his life, yet other members of the Tsar's help did not survive.
The author of the Kitchen Boy obviously drew up his ideas for a gtreat fiction book from these basis questions, along with the secter messages that were found by the Imperial Family.
In their diaries, while in the Ipatiev House, NAOTMAA had written little passages that signify clues about those mysterious secret messages, and if not clues, some, like Nicky, did not conceal their hope of rescue and outright wrote it down.
There has been much speculation, as with the whole Romanov murders, about the secret messages that supposedly were recieved by the Romanovs, signaling rescuers, possibly soldiers from the Tsar's regime that were still faithful to him. The Romanovs took them to be the oncoming Whites; their artillery could be heard rumbling in the distance and gatting closer during the family's last days.
The possibility was of the nuns, that went and brought the family fresh eggs and milk, were smuggling in the sectret messages from their supposed rescuers.
But, it is also suspected that the Reds were actually the ones sending the secret notes. Probably, to excite the Tsar for rescue and dash his hopes and his family's hopes at the last moment:murder.
These notes were in fact true, Every night a member of the family, or thier household (Dr. Botkin) would stay up till about 3 in the morning, waiting for a ehistle that never came.
The whistle would be signal to start the escape.
As some know, AOTMA had been sewing "medicines", actually the family's jewels, into their corsets and pillows. Which they would, of course, escape with to help their expenses once they were abroad, well abroad in hiding/exile, once they would escape.
There were precisely, I think 3 secret notes.
The scripts of these messages are available, and plenty of books contain them.
The secret notes are shown in the Kitchen Boy, since that is one of the main ideas and plots of the book itself.
Along with the secret messages being in The Kitchen Boy, the book also ventures on the question of an Imperial family member escaping.....
You'll find out who when you read this marvelous book.

Sofia :)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: M. le Comte de Boir on June 17, 2006, 06:26:33 PM
I read this book a while ago and I really enjoyed it. It was a really good read and while he may have strechted the truth a bit in places, he did a very good job of staying acurate. I like the way Alexandra was portrayed in it, very close to what I think she was like. The description of the Romanov murders was really vivid. I could see it all and I almost cried. (I'm not a big cryer but it almost got me) I'm considering rereading it until my biography of Dowager Empress Marie arrives. I recomend this book to anyone who likes historical fiction. -M. Philippe, le Comte de Boir
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Post by: TheAce1918 on June 18, 2006, 09:13:16 PM
I loved it...gritty ending :(, but still good nontheless ;)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Holly on June 19, 2006, 12:52:40 PM
It was pretty good. The ending was really...suprising.. :-/ I'm still not sure if i got it completely.  ;D Someone needs to explain it to me.
                                                   Holechka.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on June 25, 2006, 03:30:41 PM
Remember his wife May   that was Maria   The old man wasnt Leonid  "The Kitchen Boy", But a Bolshevik guard  sent to kill Maria .     I  LOVED the book :)
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Post by: Margarita Markovna on June 25, 2006, 09:50:38 PM
Quote
It was pretty good. The ending was really...suprising.. :-/ I'm still not sure if i got it completely.  ;D Someone needs to explain it to me.
                                                   Holechka.
IM me. I'll explain it to you.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on June 25, 2006, 11:55:36 PM
It is pretty tacky to tell the ending before others have read it.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on June 26, 2006, 08:51:56 PM
oops sorry :-[   lol  wasnt thinking
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Guinastasia on October 27, 2006, 08:36:34 PM
I have so many other books from the library and I've renewed it one too many, so I don't think I'll be finishing it this time.  So, what happens?




Okay, I read ahead and apparently Maria DID escape and marry her rescuer, but what happened to Alexei, and the actual kitchen boy?  What's going on?
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Rachael89 on October 28, 2006, 02:22:12 AM
EXTREME SPOLIERS...

I think Maria manged to scramble out of the back of the truck and brought Alexei with her, he was already dead and was buried in the garden of a convent.

The narrator was never really the kitchen boy, he was a soldier in 'the house of special purpose' and was so shamed about it that he pretended he was the kitchen boy throughout the story to his grand-daughter. She found out the truth from the now extremely old novice from the convent who helped them escape, she tells her everything.

Hope that helps.

Rachael
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Sarushka on October 28, 2006, 08:43:45 AM
And Maria Nikolaevna lived, married Lyonka/Volodya, and became Katya's grandmother.  8)
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Post by: Guinastasia on October 29, 2006, 10:34:47 AM
Ah, thanks.  I thought it was something like that.
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Post by: Sarushka on October 29, 2006, 12:27:57 PM
Robert Alexander's books are a bit of an enigma to me. They're not inaccurate, but I think they're far-fetched. I can be quite a stickler when it comes to historical fiction, but darn it all, his books are still fun to read! How's he do that?  ;)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on December 10, 2006, 06:20:26 PM
I Loved this book
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Post by: RomanovFan on December 11, 2006, 05:52:39 PM
I have "The Kitchen Boy". I thought it was kind of interesting. Some people think it is Marie missing from the grave (I don't know what to think about it, therefore I have no opinon).

In the story, Marie was supposed to be a hemophilia carrier. Her son, Paul, must've been a sufferer, which would make his daughter Kate, a carrier. Marie's granddaughter, Kate (Katia) has two kids: twins, a boy and a girl. The boy has hemophilia.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Cody on February 14, 2008, 12:58:54 PM
It's been at a year or so since this topic has been posted, but I'm going to give a response since I just finished it.  I loved the book, and it had an interesting twist at the end.  The only gripe that I had--which I would consider minor, and probably comes from being a Religious Studies major--is where Alexander mentions how the empress "prayed to their icons."  I don't think an Orthodox Christian would care much for that.  You don't pray to the image.  You pray to the person that the image represents.
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Crimson_Snow on February 14, 2008, 09:07:29 PM
For a Robert Alexander-like historical try Crimson Snow: The Last Desperate Days of Imperial Russia

http://www.amazon.com/Crimson-Snow-David-Shone/dp/0979892309/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7736454-3150236?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191508601&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Crimson-Snow-David-Shone/dp/0979892309/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7736454-3150236?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191508601&sr=8-1)
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Post by: Grand Duchess Marishka on June 09, 2008, 07:32:30 AM
I'm not even sure if I replied to this thread before, which I probably did...But it doesn't matter, hopefully! I just re-read "The Kitchen Boy" for what I think is the fifth time. It was still as fresh and intriguing as it was when I first read it! I'm not much for giving reviews for movies OR books, but I will say that Robert Alexander's portrayal of the royal family, as well as their situation in Ekaterinburg, seems realistic enough! The story's ending (and central idea) is very obviously historical fiction, so readers shouldn't go into reading this book thinking that everything is going to be exactly right. It's a fiction, therefore the "fanciful" concepts in the story are used simply to embellish the story.

Anyway, I'm writing this very early in the morning and really am not thinking with a clear head, so I apologize if all of this sounds like gibberish. I just love this book to death, not because I think of it as a biography, but because it's so obvious how much passion and devotion is in the writing. It really is a great read! If I haven't already, I recommend it once more! :)
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Post by: nena on June 09, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
Agree with Grand Duchess Marishka,
book is really good. It is first one I read about R-ovs.
Mr. Alexander really good describes their last days. I cried when he descibed(Leonid) murders in cellar. Especially Aleksei's one. So sad.
But ending is really suprsing....Maria survived and married to that guard, Volodya.
But R.Alexander said : I imagine story....what if kitchen boy survived....what if he survived next day, week, year? We know only he was tall, Aleksei's only playmate, and night july 16/7th 1918 he spent in guard's House near Ipatiev, and he wore ulster....(Or Popov House, I am not certain.....)
Sorry gor bad translate into English, I read that article somewhere on another-- not English web.
Upshot-----good book, I commend it everyone who is interested in Romanov story and their last days.
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Post by: Grand Duchess Marishka on June 11, 2008, 07:41:53 AM
Agree with Grand Duchess Marishka,
book is really good. It is first one I read about R-ovs.
Mr. Alexander really good describes their last days. I cried when he descibed(Leonid) murders in cellar. Especially Aleksei's one. So sad.
But ending is really suprsing....Maria survived and married to that guard, Volodya.
But R.Alexander said : I imagine story....what if kitchen boy survived....what if he survived next day, week, year? We know only he was tall, Aleksei's only playmate, and night july 16/7th 1918 he spent in guard's House near Ipatiev, and he wore ulster....(Or Popov House, I am not certain.....)
Sorry gor bad translate into English, I read that article somewhere on another-- not English web.
Upshot-----good book, I commend it everyone who is interested in Romanov story and their last days.

Hehehe, I know I already put in my two cents, but I have to agree with Nena about agreeing! :-D Hahaha, just kidding! I actually just wanted to acknowledge that he is absolutely right about the last Romanov scenes in the book--the murders and then the burial...Absolutely heart-wrenching. I think I've cried every time. Obviously this isn't the book that you can pick up and expect to feel cheerful about after finishing it, but it really does invoke A LOT of emotion.

There, I promise I will say no more! :) (Maybe)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Halinka on June 17, 2008, 05:16:18 PM
I been very curious about this book ever since I herd about it, sadly I have not yet found it in any library's or bookstores. I'm also little hesitant to read this because what I read on amazon; this being based on a Fictional Book. Does this story follow the historical line? Also I read that there making a movie of this book!
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Lalee on June 18, 2008, 02:42:27 AM
I been very curious about this book ever since I herd about it, sadly I have not yet found it in any library's or bookstores. I'm also little hesitant to read this because what I read on amazon; this being based on a Fictional Book. Does this story follow the historical line? Also I read that there making a movie of this book!

A movie? That sounds exciting!!

The Kitchen Boy is told through a boy named Leonka's point of view. Leonka was the kitchen boy who stayed with the Imperial Family until he was sent away from the Ipatiev House on July 16th, 1918. It talks about the Russian Revolution and the imprisonment of the Imperial Family, and also the mystery of the two missing bodies. The novel has a couple of twists towards the end.

Try looking at the novel's official website: The Kitchen Boy (http://www.sitestories.com/thekitchenboy/)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: nena on June 18, 2008, 08:12:04 AM
Interesting thing, that Maria and Aleksei are really missing children, discovered in 2007. As The Kitchen Boy says.
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Post by: Michael HR on June 18, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
Very good website for a change. Think I might buy this as so many members have said positive things about it.


I been very curious about this book ever since I herd about it, sadly I have not yet found it in any library's or bookstores. I'm also little hesitant to read this because what I read on amazon; this being based on a Fictional Book. Does this story follow the historical line? Also I read that there making a movie of this book!

A movie? That sounds exciting!!

The Kitchen Boy is told through a boy named Leonka's point of view. Leonka was the kitchen boy who stayed with the Imperial Family until he was sent away from the Ipatiev House on July 16th, 1918. It talks about the Russian Revolution and the imprisonment of the Imperial Family, and also the mystery of the two missing bodies. The novel has a couple of twists towards the end.

Try looking at the novel's official website: The Kitchen Boy (http://www.sitestories.com/thekitchenboy/)
Title: Re: The Kitchen Boy
Post by: Halinka on June 18, 2008, 08:46:33 AM
I been very curious about this book ever since I herd about it, sadly I have not yet found it in any library's or bookstores. I'm also little hesitant to read this because what I read on amazon; this being based on a Fictional Book. Does this story follow the historical line? Also I read that there making a movie of this book!

A movie? That sounds exciting!!

The Kitchen Boy is told through a boy named Leonka's point of view. Leonka was the kitchen boy who stayed with the Imperial Family until he was sent away from the Ipatiev House on July 16th, 1918. It talks about the Russian Revolution and the imprisonment of the Imperial Family, and also the mystery of the two missing bodies. The novel has a couple of twists towards the end.

Try looking at the novel's official website: The Kitchen Boy (http://www.sitestories.com/thekitchenboy/)

Yeah, I'm alittle worried though how they are going to make it :-[
 He seem's to know the romanov's very well; with the empress last diary entry.
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Post by: amartin71718 on July 07, 2008, 10:46:19 AM
I just read this book. Good, but a little confusing towards the end. But then I got it.
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Post by: Imperial_Grounds on July 07, 2008, 11:15:53 AM
I love this book, if read it four times, i am getting addicted to it,  it is the first book i red about the Imperial Family, that was not a biography but a real novel. I loved the moment when Alexei and Leonka were running after the mouse, i really was laughing then, and then i came to the execution and it was hard to read, i was sad while reading it, and when they came to Alexei's murder i started crying and kept crying after i finished the book. It really touched me and its interesting that it really were Alexei and Maria that were missing, i loved the ending, Maria and the Bolshevik soldier bounded by one night, surprising ending, but really good. I can't wait to read Rasputin's Daughter and The Romanov Bride, but to be honest i'm waiting for the translated version. And since there are plans to make The Kitchenboy into a movie, it is possible they translate those books too.

But there is nothing sure about the movie, its only in the beginning stadium, but you can read more about that in the thread about the possible up-coming movie of the book.