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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 03:22:00 AM

Title: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
It would be fun to see the interiors of some of the Royal Homes. Here's one to start - The Queen's sitting room at Sandringham in the 1970s.


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 03:32:00 AM
The State Dining Room at Holyroodhouse.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 04:18:52 AM
The Queen Mother in Clarence House in the 1970s.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 16, 2005, 04:38:32 AM
This one of the rooms that houses the royal collection in BP.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 04:45:48 AM
That's the White Drawing Room at BP. It doesn't house items from the Royal Collection per se in the sense that the room is some sort of repository, although it contains items from the Royal Collection. Interestingly, the mirror to the left of Queen Alexandra's portrait, disguises a door from which the Queen apparently likes to emerge to surprise her guests.

If you haven't visited Buckingham Palace, it's worth doing so. Parts of it are surprisingly small and it's not as grand as I thought it would be. Nevertheless, it's fascinating and you don't have the sense of being hurried along.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 04:46:58 AM
The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh at Holyroodhouse in 1977.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 16, 2005, 04:53:03 AM
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That's the White Drawing Room at BP. It doesn't house items from the Royal Collection per se. Interestingly, the mirror to the left of Queen Alexandra's portrait, disguises a door from which the Queen apparently likes to emerge to surprise her guests.

If you haven't visited Buckingham Palace, it's worth doing so. Parts of it are surprisingly small and it's not as grand as I thought it would be. Nevertheless, it's fascinating and you don't have the sense of being hurried along.


Sorry - the pic must have been labelled wrong. Re visiting the palace: I would love to, but <sigh> it's a money thing and I don't live in the UK.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 05:07:13 AM
The Queen and Prince Philip at Sandringham.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 16, 2005, 05:09:42 AM
Here's Mary Stuart's bedroom at Holyrood House - sorry the pick is so small:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:01:48 AM
The Saloon (sic) at Sandringham House

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:10:10 AM
The Drawing Room - apparently the Royal Family and their guests often gather here to enjoy the afternoon and early evening light.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:17:57 AM
The Small Drawing Room at Sandringham

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:31:39 AM
The Dining Room at Sandringham

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:37:21 AM
The Ballroom Corridor
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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 16, 2005, 06:41:09 AM
The Ballroom at Sandringham which is also used as a private cinema.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 16, 2005, 06:59:32 AM
I think, taking interior and exterior into account, that Sandringham is the pretties of HM's houses.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 17, 2005, 02:38:35 AM
THANKS SO MUCH, Richard!!

These pics are so nice!

I love Sandringham, it is not a palace, it's a house, a perfect place where to spend Christmas time.

Is there anyone who knows if Alexandra used to live at first floor or downstairs?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:19:10 AM
Here's Queen Mary's boudoir at York Cottage:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:24:15 AM
The Blue Room at Windsor Castle, where Prince Albert died:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:27:08 AM
Here's quite a rare one - a bedroom on the royal yacht, Victoria & Albert:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 05:51:39 AM
Yes, I can see why QM hated York Cottage - that room is so cramped!!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 07:32:59 AM
The Royal Dairy in Windsor.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 07:37:46 AM
Queen Mary's sitting room at the Delhi Camp, December 1911.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 07:40:22 AM
An exterior shot of staff at the Royal Mews, Buckingham Palance, 1847. Why do so many Victorians look like criminals?!

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 07:43:30 AM
Detail of The Music Room in the Royal Pavilion, Brighton.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 07:46:34 AM
LOL - the scraggy beards and big hats, all very suspicous looking!

Here's the Drawing Room at Osborne House in QV's time:

(http://www.cowes.shalfleet.net/images/images_cowes/osborne%20drawing%20room.jpg)

And the Bridal Suite, arranged for Alice after her wedding:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 08:00:40 AM
That's a fascinating shot of the drawing room at Osborne. Looks almost unVictorian!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 08:09:17 AM
An exterior view of Buckingham Palace - August 2004.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 08:28:40 AM
And another external shot. It's a huge shame they don't allow internal photography!

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 17, 2005, 08:33:40 AM
The Centre Room at Buckingham Palace leading into the balcony from which the Royal Family gaze unto the multitude:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 17, 2005, 08:55:43 AM
That light fixture is absolutely remarkable.  Not something I would necessarily want in my own home, but it looks incredible.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 17, 2005, 09:06:16 AM
I'm read that that light fixture, as well as many of the furnishings and details contained in the east wing of BP, were taken from George IV's Brighton Pavilian - seems only fitting since it was sold to pay for the extension of the palace!

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 17, 2005, 09:08:20 AM
Yes, I could well beleive it - it's just the kind of thing George IV would have bought!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 18, 2005, 05:37:14 AM
The drawing room at York Cottage, 1890s

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 18, 2005, 05:39:30 AM
The bedroom of Queen Mary (then Princess of Wales) in 1905, Marlborough House.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 18, 2005, 05:42:06 AM
The Picture Gallery at Buckingham Palace. It seems smaller in real life and I noticed that one of the banquettes had what seem to be a smaller water stain on it and the glass ceiling had an even larger water stain on it!


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 18, 2005, 05:43:44 AM
Detail of the ceiling of the Royal Mausoleum at Frogmore.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 18, 2005, 05:44:35 AM
QM's bedroom at Marlborough House looks a little cluttered to me . . .
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 18, 2005, 06:51:16 AM
Minimilism wasn't fashionable in those days, unless you were one of the millions of poor wretches living in slums when minimilism was forced upon you!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 18, 2005, 06:55:50 AM
I think that bedroom would have been both sumptuous and comfortable.

As Richard rightly points out, the vogue at that time was for quantities of furniture and biblelots - bedrooms were no exception to this.

I would love to know what the colour scheme was.......
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 18, 2005, 06:59:21 AM
That chaise-lounge beside the bed looks very comfortable . . .
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 18, 2005, 07:04:17 AM
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That chaise-lounge beside the bed looks very comfortable . . .


A nice comfortable place for reading, or relaxing en déshabille, I would imagine......
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 18, 2005, 12:11:28 PM
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I read somewhere that Queen Mary had one of her ladies in waiting read to her for an hour every afternoon. I can just she here on the chaise, being read to whilst she rests between tea and whatever the evening held.



Wearing a lovely tea gown, no doubt.....

I like the idea of that, as it combines rest with entertainment....... ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on August 18, 2005, 01:41:47 PM
Attention Mr. or Ms. Decorator Persons:

What is the correct term for the interior design and decor "scheme" of Buckingham Palace?

When I visited in 2000 there very many very high quality antiques which belonged in a museum, a whole lot of first rate junk I would love to have in my own home and quite a bit of stuff the queen should place on e-bay if the rubbish bin is too full already.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 18, 2005, 02:22:31 PM
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What is the correct term for the interior design and decor "scheme" of Buckingham Palace?

TampaBay



I think it would depend upon which room you were in at the time.  Isn't there a Chippendale Room and a Chinese Room?  (I hope there is a Biedermeier Room in there somewhere.)  
I would probably call it 'mishmash', not in a derogatory way at all, but just because there are so many design periods that would be represented.  
Good question Tampa.  I dunno.  
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 18, 2005, 04:52:31 PM
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Here goes: tea gowns were worn in one's boudoir or intimate daytime gatherings. They were unconstructed (as in the corset was not needed) and often had a loose back which fell in a very small train. The inspiration is 18th Century French. They were made in soft pretty fabrics, often with three quarter lenth sleeves, and trimmed in lace. They must have been a huge relief in view of the constructed clothes of the period, and very handy too when one was early in pregnancy.



Quite so.

A tea gown was a garment that was assumed by ladies of quality at the end of the  afternoon, usually in the break between whatever activity had taken place and the hour for dressing for dinner.

The looseness of its construction was designed to disguise the fact that the corset had been removed, allowing some relaxation and freedom of movement.  At this time of the day, ladies might receive others in the privacy of the boudoir, which was the only environment in which this garment might be worn, and tea might be served, hence the term.

On another level, this was also an opportune moment for any romantic activity, due to the comparative state of undress.  In Edwardian society, notable for the extra-curricular amorous goings-on, such garments aided the pursuit of these liaisons.......

Of course these confections in their finest form were extravagant and delicate compositions of lace and silk; the finest creator of these garments at the turn of the twentieth century was Lucile, Lady Duff Gordon, of Titanic fame (or infamy, whichever way you look at it).  I am not sure that May would have patronised her establishment, as her creations were, although le dernier cri, perhaps a little too racy, shall we say for May.  However, one never knows..... ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 18, 2005, 05:09:34 PM
Here's a view of (part of) the Sitting Room at Osborne House:

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on August 18, 2005, 07:10:43 PM
Let us not forget that QA decorated poor May's rooms at York Cottage. Thinking he would be 'helpful' GV decided to surprise his new bride by completely furnishing the house, mostly with the guidance of his mother--who loved clutter. Apparently May's aesthetic sensibilities were rather offended.

That's not to say she didn't enjoy the fussier style of the day as well but her later rooms at Marlborough House were very elegant.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: darius on August 19, 2005, 06:40:39 AM

A few questions!
Does anyone know what funcion York Cottage now serves at Sandringham?

Is the Blue Room at Windsor still preserved in its 1861 state or is it now used for guests etc.?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 19, 2005, 07:26:53 AM
York Cottage is now used as an office for the Sandringham Estate.

I don't know about the Blue Room, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 19, 2005, 07:42:28 AM
The Queen opens the latest bill with trepidation........


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 19, 2005, 08:13:24 AM
The Queen and Prime Minister, John Major, at Balmoral, 1991

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: emeraldeyes on August 19, 2005, 09:09:23 AM
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A few questions!
Does anyone know what funcion York Cottage now serves at Sandringham?


I think HM gave the use of York Cottage to Prince Andrew, Duke of York, did she not?  
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Richard_Maybery on August 19, 2005, 09:18:20 AM
I think, emeraldeyes, that you're confusing York Cottage (which was known as Bacherlors' Cottage until the Duke & Duchess of York moved in after their marriage in 1893) with Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park.

York Cottage is definitely now used as an office for the Sandringham Estate Office. It is also used to house employees of the Estate.

The Queen gave Royal Lodge, which was used by the Queen Mother, to Andrew after her mother's death.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TJ Jones on August 19, 2005, 11:24:40 AM
Does anyone of any interior pics of Hampton Court Palace? Its my favorite English palace......
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 19, 2005, 01:34:37 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/EdwardVIIssittingroom.jpg)


a room of Edward VII at Buckingham Palace
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 19, 2005, 01:35:32 PM
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Prince Albert's dressing room, Buckingham Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on August 19, 2005, 01:41:29 PM
Excuse me for being an ignorant American but does it not seem that one would hang one's close in one's dressing room?

Does any one have any pictures of the Royal jewelry box... I mean jewelry vault?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 20, 2005, 06:47:17 AM
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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 20, 2005, 09:57:34 AM
The dressing room does seem to be devoid of any articles that pertain to its use.

It isn't essential that such a room contain wardrobes, and I believe that at BP they have corridors that are lined with such, thus removing the need for clothing to be stored in actual rooms.

However one would have thought that there would be a wash stand, or a table set with toilet articles, brushes, combs and a mirror, in order to facilitate the dressing of Pce Alberts' hair (which would have been dressed at least once a day).

Ladies' dressing rooms would naturally have been more elaborate, as certainly in the eighteenth century it was customary for ladies of quality to receive guests and tradesmen whilst having their hair dressed, a lengthy and complicated procedure, and it was at this time that thew dressing room as such became important.  By the nineteenth century I think that this custome had died out somewhat, but it was still deemed essential to have a separate room in which to dress.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on August 21, 2005, 01:53:31 AM
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A few questions!
 at Windsor still preserved in its 1861 state or is it now used for guests etc.?



The Blue Room still exists at Windsor Castle, but it is not
unfortunately in its 1861 state as Queen Victoria preserved it. I was extremely interested to know this question myself, and enquired to a member of staff in the RA about it. The member had in fact been inside the room, albeit some time ago, and the room has been used from time to time. I am very curious to know what became of the contents that were inside the room, the bed, the bust of the Prince Consort.. At Frogmore House, a large chest is preserved near the Cross Gallery. This chest was part of the furniture in the Blue Room when the Prince died. The exact location of the Blue Room in the castle I cannot tell you precisely, but it is reached by a corridor leading off from the so-called Tuxen Room, or Green Drawing Room where the great family portrait of Queen Victoria's family was set. So, it is in the wing of the George IV appartments.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 22, 2005, 02:56:03 AM
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The Saloon (sic) at Sandringham House

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The other side of the saloon, with the other no longer existing fireplace. Over the fireplace was the famous portrait of Angeli showing Bertie, Alix, Eddie and Maud.
Now it can be seen in Richard's pic.

Does anyone have a pic of it?


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 22, 2005, 03:06:30 AM
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The Picture Gallery at Buckingham Palace.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/Richard1961/rf_65_edited.jpg)



The picture gallery in QV's time.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 22, 2005, 12:32:36 PM
I'm sure that it is probably only the black and white photography but that image of the picture gallery in QV's day looks very drab and dreary, compared to the modern day photo.......
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 22, 2005, 01:14:48 PM
Yes, it certainly does, but you're probably right - it's just the monochrome effect.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 22, 2005, 01:30:02 PM
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I'm sure that it is probably only the black and white photography but that image of the picture gallery in QV's day looks very drab and dreary, compared to the modern day photo.......


To be sincere, I think Edward VII's Ritzy style and QM's restoration works "wasted" Buckingham, I prefered it as it was in QV's time.
In the watercolour I saw the gallery looked nice and colourful.

I will post it, if I can.

Gleb
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 22, 2005, 01:36:22 PM
it seems I was able...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba_ai_a-e-20.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 12:38:22 AM
The Lancaster Room at Clarence House during Queen Elizabeth’s residence.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 12:52:44 AM
Desks in Royal Lodge, 2000
By Hugh Buchanan

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:28:23 AM
as good as this one no...

it's from "Watercolours and Drawings from the Collection of Queen Elizabeth The Queen mother", by Susan Owens

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:33:53 AM
this is the "21" image [not an interior, sorry :'(]
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9139/untitled1mnujm3nj.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:37:39 AM
From the same book

The Saloon, Royal Lodge, 1990
by Sir Hugh Casson

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:41:24 AM
From the same book

Tea time, Sandringham, 1986
by Sir Hugh Casson


(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4355/untitled1nbhytg4qq.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 06:00:25 PM
Clarence House,




The Garden Room
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6630/clhsgardenrmlg7ql.jpg)

The Horse Corridor
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/9347/clhshorselg7qa.jpg)

The Lancaster Room
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5008/clhslancasterlg8xq.jpg)

The Main Hall
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2237/clhsmainhalllg2hg.jpg)

The Morning Room
(http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3704/clhsmorningrmlg4uo.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 24, 2005, 06:15:28 PM
Windsor taste is so boring. Clarence House, to me, is singularly uninspiring. The only thing that merits the attention are it's occupants.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 06:30:07 PM
Isn't that how it should be?

I remember Le Corbusier saying about a town how great it is that the buildings are boring because you have time to look at the beautiful ladies on the street! ;D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 25, 2005, 05:21:41 AM
The Buchanan watercolour is lovely, but the Casson ones are too loose for my taste.

I would like to know whether the image of Clarence House are pre or post remodelling.  I hope that they are pre, as for the most part, with the exception of the Morning Room, it all looks pretty dowdy.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on August 25, 2005, 05:37:54 AM
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The Buchanan watercolour is lovely, but the Casson ones are too loose for my taste.

I would like to know whether the image of Clarence House are pre or post remodelling.  I hope that they are pre, as for the most part, with the exception of the Morning Room, it all looks pretty dowdy.



Very Dowdy!  I like the morning room but it is not what I would expect.  It looks like a room in my In-laws house.

By the way, what is a morning room used for?

Please excuse the ignorant American.

Tampabay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 07:58:44 AM
Thank God for Google...

The photos are from the Prince of Wales site:
http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/gallery-topic/cla_01_clarence_rooms.html

http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/about/bio_clarence.html

the description goes:
"Clarence House: The Prince's new residence in London"
So the photos are supposed to be recent.




TampaBay
A morning room is for "killing” time before lunch ;D [to gather before leaving the house for some engagement, read, chat about the news in the papers, plan the day, receive people, etc.]; the natural lighting in important, this room should be East-oriented [sorry for the pleonasm ;D]
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 09:07:20 AM
This is interesting:


The Russian Orthodox Chapel installed on the first floor of Clarence House for the Duchess of Edinburgh, wife of Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh
The Royal Collection © 2005, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II


(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5980/artresd21490yn.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 25, 2005, 09:13:37 AM
Fabulous!  Where did you find that?!  Are there any more pictures pf Clarence House at the time of its occupancy by Marie Alexandrovna?

I remember reading how her dressing room was lined with vitrines that contained her magnificent parures of jewellery; I shouldn't imagine that there are any images of that, but it would be marvellous to see more of what the place looked like during her occupancy.......
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 25, 2005, 09:39:34 AM
That photo is from:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page2521.asp
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 25, 2005, 01:43:08 PM
the old ballroom of Buckingham Palace.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ballroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 27, 2005, 08:17:27 PM
This might not be a "proper" royal interior but it fascinates me:

The Windsor Kitchen


early nineteenth century
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/634/untitled4mic4fh.jpg)

1878
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8616/untitled6ui7ea.jpg)

shortly before the fire of 1992
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8391/untitled7nbhyi0xg.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 28, 2005, 04:06:55 AM
Hmmm, that kitchen looks a bit grim and the image from the 19th century looks positively medieval!  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 28, 2005, 08:17:49 PM
Martyn
I have no problem with “medieval”, I think “medieval” is charming, even this busy kitchen. For me “medieval” has nothing of the “Dark Ages” the Enlightenment wanted to portray it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on August 28, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
Windsor


St. George’s Hall around 1672
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1328/z3untitled48qq.jpg)


St. George’s Hall around 1680
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1843/z4untitled34bo.jpg)


St. George’s Hall 1844 [Queen Victoria and Louis Philippe going into the hall]
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4200/z2untitled54nw.jpg)


St. George’s Hall after the fire of November 1992
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9141/untitled8micwregherg9pk.jpg)



Has anyone photos of the hall after the reconstruction?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on September 06, 2005, 04:59:31 AM
Carlton House

Gothic cast-iron and translucent coloured glass conservatory from the Regency [beginning of the XIXth century]

(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8425/untitled5mic2js.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: nikks on September 06, 2005, 06:27:23 AM
Do you have the study of King George IV in Carlton House?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: amedeo on September 06, 2005, 02:16:17 PM
The state dining room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on September 12, 2005, 09:54:41 PM
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Very Dowdy!  I like the morning room but it is not what I would expect.  It looks like a room in my In-laws house.

By the way, what is a morning room used for?

Please excuse the ignorant American.

Tampabay



actually, there are "morning rooms" here in america, too.   there's a morning room in the Breakers mansion (Vanderbilt), Biltmore House (Vanderbilt), San Simeon (Hearst).   they were common in the "gilded age" mansions.  

i can't remember where this quote came from, but it seems fairly accurate:

"there were distinct territorial designations within the great turn-of-the-century houses; the borders of which were set a generation or two prior....perhaps more.

and just as servants never crossed the lines dividing the service area from that of the family & guests, unless their position & function required they do so, the sexes never (or rarely) crossed into the other's territory.

generally, within the context of the "public" rooms of the house, the male domain consisted of:
the study
the billiard room
the smoking room
the gun room
the trophy room
and any rooms attached there-to;

of the public rooms, the feminine domain consisted of:
the ballroom
the music room
the reception room
the tea room
the morning room


the library, drawing rooms  & dining rooms were mutually shared.
"


btw, morning room seems to have been (originally, anyway) a sort of study for the lady of the house...especially if she had no boudior attached to her bedroom suite.   if that were the case, the morning room would be where she conducted her end of the household business, interviewed the housekeeper, kept up her correspondence, etc.    her husband had his study & she had the morning room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 29, 2005, 11:28:59 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/BeatonRoyalLodge1970.jpg)


The Royal Lodge, Windsor.

I also saw a pic of her study, it is pannelled and has an octagonal shape.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: palimpsest on December 05, 2005, 09:25:54 AM
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/738/79954093ig.jpg)

CLARENCE HOUSE, LONDON (AP Photo/Tim Graham Picture Library)

(http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/9802/79883141ei.jpg)

Clarence House - the official London residence of Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales. A corner of the Garden Room at Clarence House with Leandro Bassano painting of Noahs Ark and a bust of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother when Duchess of York by Arthur Walker, on a French writing desk. (AP Picture/Tim Graham Picture Library)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5100/79883124eg.jpg)

Clarence House, the official London residence of Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. A corner of the Morning Room with (over the door) sketch by Graham Sutherland for a larger portrait of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, and the Henri Fantin-Latour still life Azaleas and pansies of 1881 from Queen Elizabeth collection. One of a set of giltwood chairs by Thomas Chippendale and the late 17th-century longcase equation clock by Thomas Tompion are from the Royal Collection. (AP Picture/Tim Graham Picture Library) 04/28/2003

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7515/79868754tp.jpg)

ROYAT CORGI AT CLARENCE HOUSE. (AP PHOTO/TIM GRAHAM PICTURE LIBRARY)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2006, 04:49:07 AM
Yes...would love to know... ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: boffer on February 20, 2006, 12:27:40 PM
Does anyone have a colour photograph of the Green Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace?
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/BuckinghamPalace-GreenDrawingRoomBl.jpg)
I only have this black and white image.

Also does anyone know of the present usage of the Buckingham Palace Throne Room, or is it now merely used for photographs such as weddings?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Viscount on February 20, 2006, 12:32:06 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d78/Mountbatten/Buckthroneroom.jpg)


The Viscount
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: boffer on February 20, 2006, 02:05:45 PM
Is one correct in thinking that the coronation portraits of Their Late Majesty's George VI and Queen Elizabeth hang in The Crimson Drawing Room of Windsor Castle?
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/GeorgeVI-CoronationPortrait.jpg)(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/QueenMother-1937CoronationPortrait.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/Bofferding/WindsorCastle-TheCrimsonDrawingRoom.jpg)?????

(maybe this is not the correct thread) But i was wondering about the various opinions of these paintings?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 06, 2006, 01:36:27 PM
You are right, those portraits are on the the walls of the Crimson Drawing room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 06, 2006, 01:41:45 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/sr-013.jpg)


The Minister's staircase in Buckingham Palace. Now it has changed a lot, and for example the window in the rear wall is no longer there. It represented Albert Victor.


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:06:16 PM
Marlborough House

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4237marlhouseboudw.jpg)

closeup of pictures on wall from above (David, Bertie, Mary)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4237marlhouseboudportraits.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:09:05 PM
Marlborough House Indian Room

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4260marlhouseindianroomw.jpg)

(south)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4263marlhouseIndianRmSouthw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:09:53 PM
MH Drawing Room

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4259marlhouselgDrawRmw.jpg)

(east view)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4264marlhouselgDrawRmEastw.jpg)


You can see sketches on the table in the above. They look like ones of George, Louise and Toria. The latter 2 were published in the ILN.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:10:34 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4261marlhousesaloonw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:12:59 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4262lgDinRmSouthw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:15:46 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4246osbornew.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:18:03 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4245osbornew.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:19:32 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4244osbornecounselchamberw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:20:58 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4243osborneQVssalonw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 06, 2006, 07:24:25 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/palaces/Picture4239osbornechapelw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 10, 2006, 05:36:59 PM
You are very welcome.  :)

I like this picture:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/23697671.jpg)

It shows Prince Philip's sitting room at Clarence House c.1949. You can see the deLaszlo's of his father, mother and grandfather, Louis Battenberg, on the wall.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on March 10, 2006, 06:18:47 PM
The Duke of Edinburgh's sitting room later became the morning room when Queen Elizabeth moved into Clarence House.  She had a door put through where the bookcase is shown joining the morning room with the library.

Oh and the panelling was I believe white apple wood and was a wedding gift to Princess Elizabeth and the Duke from Canada.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 10, 2006, 06:50:34 PM
That's interesting. Is a bit to modern for my tastes, pity it wasn't kept original!  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on March 10, 2006, 07:04:09 PM
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That's interesting. Is a bit to modern for my tastes, pity it wasn't kept original!  :)


The "original" did not survive the Second World War and had been converted into an office for, the Red Cross, I think.

One of the few modern looking rooms in Clarence House at the time was the Duke's sitting room as he had more modern tastes.  You can compare the photo below of Princess Elizabeth's sitting room which was directly above the Duke's. Her room was far more traditional.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/Scan10006.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 14, 2006, 12:32:52 PM
To me Clarence house looks much nicer how it is now than it was at the time of Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: boffer on March 14, 2006, 12:36:08 PM
To me it looks awfully bare, i think it looks much nicer now that Charles has furnished it with many items from the oryal collection, whereas Elizabeth and Philip decor was furnished purely from wedding presents.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on March 14, 2006, 05:12:56 PM
Just like regular newlyweds.  :)

I still love the deLaszlo's hanging on the wall though--not a bad way to start decorating.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on March 14, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
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To me Clarence house looks much nicer how it is now than it was at the time of Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip.



Don't forget, it was post war Britain and materials and funds were in short supply.  Anything appearing to be luxurious would not have been in keeping with the Royal Family's then policy of suffering hardships just like the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: basilforever on September 28, 2006, 12:50:24 PM
The Saloon (sic) at Sandringham House

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I love seeing inside Sandringham. I think of Eddy, his parents and siblings spending so much time here. Eddy sitting on the couch, Eddy lying in bed.
Even in the picture posted above you can see that portrait of Eddy, Maud, Bertie and Alix. Just magical.
I'm so pleased the royal family still get to see Eddy around.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on September 30, 2006, 10:18:00 AM
Queen's bedroom at Buckingham Palace.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba-hi2_d-c-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on September 30, 2006, 10:20:34 AM
another view:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba-hi2_d-c-12.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2006, 10:32:59 AM
Who are the two men portraits in the room ? I think one of them may be Bertie (George VI)...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: basilforever on September 30, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
One looks like Prince Philip to me.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on September 30, 2006, 12:39:21 PM
Who are the two men portraits in the room ? I think one of them may be Bertie (George VI)...

One of them--the one on the left--looks like a portrait painted of him around the time of his marriage.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on September 30, 2006, 12:40:18 PM
One looks like Prince Philip to me.

This photo was taken between 1914 and 1936, so that isn't Prince Philip. Nobody knows what this bedroom is like nowadays.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Grace on September 30, 2006, 04:17:59 PM
Does any one have a proper picture of the stained glass window itself?

An Eddy fanatic like me would be very excited to see it!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Eddy075.jpg)
I think it is supposed to represent Eddy as a saint (but, of course  :D) but I can't remember which one - St. George?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 03, 2006, 08:25:02 AM
One looks like Prince Philip to me.

This photo was taken between 1914 and 1936, so that isn't Prince Philip. Nobody knows what this bedroom is like nowadays.

During that timeframe, the Queen would have been Queen Consort.  Would it be reasonable to assume that this room is, in fact, now the Duke of Edinburgh's and not the present Queen's?  I'd read somewhere that as consort, Phillip occupies the suite previously occupied by Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandria.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 03, 2006, 11:18:25 AM


During that timeframe, the Queen would have been Queen Consort.  Would it be reasonable to assume that this room is, in fact, now the Duke of Edinburgh's and not the present Queen's?  I'd read somewhere that as consort, Phillip occupies the suite previously occupied by Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandria.


No it is not right, HRH The Duke of Edinburgh occupies the King's app. where Prince Consort, E VII, G V and G VI lived before him.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 03, 2006, 12:49:27 PM
Really?  I had always thought the reigning Sovereign's apartment was the one closest to the northwest corner of the palace,  which includes the (present) Queen's Sitting Room (the well-known bow window on the north facade), and adjoining the State Apartments - while the Consort's apartment was further east toward the Chinese Luncheon Room. 

Have I had those switched all this time?  Is the King's apartment is more east, and the Queen Regnant / Queen Consort's apartment closest to the State Apartments?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 03, 2006, 01:11:31 PM
I wish I could figure out how to copy the floor plan of those apartments from the Buckingham Palace floor plan thread - it would make this easier!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 05, 2006, 11:49:17 AM

Is the King's apartment is more east, and the Queen Regnant / Queen Consort's apartment closest to the State Apartments?


That's  right.

It surprised me too times ago, but I am absolutely sure of this.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 06, 2006, 07:58:07 AM
Gleb was kind enough to post a drawing of the private apartments (at least in QVs time) on the Buckingham Palace floor plan thread (a few threads down).  Referring to that, I know that directly north of the White Drawing Room is something called the Royal Closet (a relatively small room from which the royals emerge into the White Drawing Room through a secret door behind a large mirror). 

Between that Closet and the farthest northwest corner room are two other rooms - one large one that I assume is the Queen's Audience Chamber, and a smaller one that I've never heard referenced.  Either that smaller room, or the corner room, must be the Queen's private dining room?

Queen's Apartments, North Range
If the Consort's apartment is at the west end, it appears to have consisted of 7 rooms:  4 big ones and 3 smaller ones.  From Gleb's drawing, I can easily make out the Queen's Sitting Room (with the bow window), and probably the Queen's bedroom to the right (with her dressing room between?).  The 4 rooms to the left of the Stiting Room - anybody's guess?

King's Apartments, North Range
The King's Apartments then must consists of 4 principal rooms facing the garden, and two others facing the quadrangle courtyard (with the King's Staircase between on the courtyard side).  Obviously one of the principal rooms must be the bedroom, and I've heard one referenced before as "Prince Albert's Music Room" but don't know anything about the others.

Anybody have additional "insider" info?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: royal_netherlands on October 06, 2006, 09:11:21 AM
I’m always fascinated by the number of pictures, the Royals have standing in their bedroom or in any room actually.
The pictures below shows use the Bedroom of Queen Alexandra, look at the amount of pictures.( and the screen by her bed :o)
I love it the screen and it is a great way, to display many of you’re picture's.
Fantastic those Royals showing their picture's, you can see they really care about their family.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/Victorianbodoircomp.jpg)
But how can blame Alix, her parents did the same thing. ;)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/louskrbord.jpg)
Queen Louise with sitting at some sort of desk (Picture from The Danish Thread) with allot of pictures from their Children, Grandchildren and probably Great-grandchildren. ( I recognise King George I of Greece and Nicky and Alix of Russia and Christian IX at the right)



RN
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: royal_netherlands on October 06, 2006, 09:19:53 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/mrlostprincev014.jpg)
And another example from The Movie ''The lost Prince'' Queen Mary (Miranda Richardson) sitting at her desk.
You can see a similar screen with pictures (just like Queen Alexandra) I recognise the Wales Sisters and some of Alix in the corner and of her children and Husband.
The pictures I send, gave me a idea (a while ago) so I made my own Picture screen with old pictures from relatives.
It became a real beauty and I’m very proud of it, how says Royals don’t make you creative is terribly mistaking ;D

RN
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 06, 2006, 09:29:49 AM
Compare the photo posted by royal_netherlands of Alexandra's bedroom at Marlborough House as Princess of Wales to the photo of the same room when used by May when she was Princess of Wales.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/Victorianbodoircomp.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/MarlboroughHouseBedroom.jpg)


I've got a photo somewhere of the same bedroom when occupied by Queen Mary as dowager.  I will post it once I locate it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 06, 2006, 11:48:47 AM


King's Apartments, North Range
The King's Apartments then must consists of 4 principal rooms facing the garden, and two others facing the quadrangle courtyard (with the King's Staircase between on the courtyard side).  Obviously one of the principal rooms must be the bedroom, and I've heard one referenced before as "Prince Albert's Music Room" but don't know anything about the others.

Anybody have additional "insider" info?


Dear Chris I think to have the answers to your questions.

As regards the King's app:

From east to west ( along the north wing), Chinese Luncheon room ( 1 window) , little chinese room (2 windows) , Indian room (1 window) and with this room Blore's new wing ends, King's study (3 windows), King's drawing or sitting room (2) King's bedroom (2) Kings' dressing room plus bathroom (2), the next room is the Queen's dressing room plus bathroom...

Hope it helps

I could be wrong as I don't have a plan, but from the pics I saw and the scheme I have this seems to be the better solution to our doubts.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 06, 2006, 04:13:49 PM

Dear Chris I think to have the answers to your questions.

As regards the King's app:

From east to west ( along the north wing), Chinese Luncheon room ( 1 window) , little chinese room (2 windows) , Indian room (1 window) and with this room Blore's new wing ends, King's study (3 windows), King's drawing or sitting room (2) King's bedroom (2) Kings' dressing room plus bathroom (2), the next room is the Queen's dressing room plus bathroom...

Hope it helps

I could be wrong as I don't have a plan, but from the pics I saw and the scheme I have this seems to be the better solution to our doubts.


Thanks Gleb, I so much enjoy "exploring" the royal palaces through floor plans and pictures.  I wonder, could you post your floor plan of the private wing to THIS thread so that we can compare it to the wonderful photos contained here? 

I recall from something Paul Burrell wrote that the Queen's private lift opened adjacent to the "Page's Lobby" which is likely the interior (windowless) room directly behind the Queen's Sitting Room.  Anyone else have information - from photos, or quotes from books, that help fill in the blanks in terms of room locations at BP? 

It does seem odd to me that - at least from the floor plan, there is no way to get from the east wing (and the balcony room) to the State Rooms in the west wing without crossing through the Queen's private apartments.  Even though it looks like there is a corridor on the quadrangle side that "sort of" connects the two wings, you still have to pass very near the Queen's Bedroom door to get to that corridor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 07, 2006, 11:14:28 AM

Thanks Gleb, I so much enjoy "exploring" the royal palaces through floor plans and pictures.  I wonder, could you post your floor plan of the private wing to THIS thread so that we can compare it to the wonderful photos contained here? 

Here it is:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Hpll.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 07, 2006, 11:21:11 AM


It does seem odd to me that - at least from the floor plan, there is no way to get from the east wing (and the balcony room) to the State Rooms in the west wing without crossing through the Queen's private apartments.  Even though it looks like there is a corridor on the quadrangle side that "sort of" connects the two wings, you still have to pass very near the Queen's Bedroom door to get to that corridor.

This is very true, but it does not seem to be a problem, in fact on Tuesday the Prime Minister enters in the King's entrance and then he must cross the Queen's corridor before he gets in the Queen's Audience room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 07, 2006, 11:34:44 AM
The King's corridor (1900 ca.)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Senzanome-scandito-03---.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 09, 2006, 09:36:57 AM
Doubt the security forces in charge of HM welfare would allow a plan to be published. No doubt Burrell will publish the information in his trillionth book of Royal revelations.....

I think this is the real reason, but as we all know it didn't stop Fagan and all the others. And besides Buckingham Palace is not a private property of the Queen, it belongs to all the Britons and they have the right to see its floorplans if they want. Then I hope they will share this knowledge with us, unlucky (becouse we are not english) foreigners.

This is my point.

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree with you on this Gleb.  While yes, BP is owned by the state, it remains the official residence of a head of state.  While plans for state apartments are widely available, there aren't too many for the private quarters of heads of state (even those inside state owned buildings) floating around - for security reasons and privacy reasons I would imagine.  Believe me, I hunt for them...

I did come across a great website that showed the floor plan and photos of the second floor of the White House - dating from the 1960s.  This isn't unprecedented, those plans are in fairly wide circulation and have changed little since the building was built.  BUT, try and find the plans for the private quarters on the third floor and I'll bet you come up empty!! 

These plans I've already found....
-  Labeled plans of BP State rooms
-  Private quarters in Windsor Castle (dating to QV's time, however)
-  Full floor plans of Hampton Court - all floors (dating to probably mid 20th century)
-  Plans of the state rooms at Hollyroodhouse Palace
-  Labeled plans of Kensington Palace state apartments, - unlabeled plans of the private apartments

These plans I'm still hunting for...
- Labeled plans of Buckingham Palace - all floors and areas
- Labeled plans of KP - private apartments and the main block garden / first floor (Teck Saloon / North Drawing Room, etc. )
- Any plans of Frogmore House
- Any plans of the private areas, ground floor and second floor of Hollyroodhouse

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2006, 09:22:46 PM
I agree although I guess historical sttings I think would be easier to get that current arrangements.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: amedeo on October 10, 2006, 09:53:33 AM
The King's corridor (1900 ca.)

Are you sure that the pics you have posted is the  King's corridor? I think it is the principal corridor.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Senzanome-scandito-03---.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 10, 2006, 01:21:54 PM
The principal corridor would be wider, would it not?  Also, the principal corridor would be stuffed with all of the the Asian influenced furnishings brought from Royal Pavilian at Brighton - which was sold to fund the addition of the East range.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 10, 2006, 02:07:28 PM
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/guyinroyaloak/privateapartments2.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 10, 2006, 02:25:56 PM
I believe I have these labeled properly.  (I know, the labeling isn't perfect).  So, anybody know...

1.  Is the Private Dining Room where I have it labeled, or is it the corner room?
2.  If not the corner room, what is the corner room?
3.  What are the two rooms on either side of the King's Staircase?
4.  What are the three little rooms to the left of the Queen's Sitting Room?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 11, 2006, 08:07:57 AM
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/guyinroyaloak/Presentation3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 15, 2006, 04:02:54 AM

3.  What are the two rooms on either side of the King's Staircase?



I think they are rooms for Pages and a little King's Library.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 16, 2006, 09:32:16 AM
I'm also still curious about the locale of the Queen's Audience Chamber and Private Dining Room.  It would make sense that the room adjoining the Royal Closet would be her audience chamber - its the largest of the "private" rooms.  I don't know if the dining room adjoins that, - or is the dining room the one in the corner?  I think it must be the one adjoininig the audience chamber because those infamous Mirror photos (the ones showing the tupperware on the breakfast table) seem to best fit this layout.

Also, there are a series of small rooms opposite the Audience Chamber (overlooking the quadrangle).  Given their size and locale, I'm guessing they are offices for the Queen's Equerry and/or attendants on duty - where they can discretely wait close by until summoned.

What about the room directly opposite the Royal Closet (ie. behind the Throne Room)?   What is that?

Finally, until this thread I'd never even heard about the Little Chinese Room or Indian Room.  What are these used for?  Since Anne regularly uses the Chinese Luncheon Room for her official entertaining at the palace, I wonder if these rooms are used as reception rooms by Anne and perhaps Andrew?  (I read an article once by a guest at a lunch Anne hosted at BP - it said she received her guests in the Center Room, then they had lunch in the Chinese Luncheon Room).

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: amedeo on October 17, 2006, 09:54:14 AM
The chinese luncheon room is used by other members of the Royal Family.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2006, 03:00:28 AM
By who may I ask ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on October 19, 2006, 11:25:53 AM
Judging from the Court Circular, usually only the Queen and DoE use the big State Rooms at BP and Windsor for official entertaining. 

Charles now has his own suite of reception rooms at Clarence House, which he uses for a mix of state entertaining and entertaining related to his organizations.  He seems to only use BP or Windsor State Rooms when representing the Queen at state receptions like investitures and so forth.

When they host receptions and meals for their organizations - Anne, Andrew, and Edward seem to most often use the East Range Semi-State Rooms or the St. James' State Rooms.  One rarely hears of these three hosting events in the main State Rooms at BP.

The extended family (Kents, Glouchesters, Michaels of Kent, Alexandria) don't seem to host official events frequently - they are more likely to attend outside events.  When they do require use of reception rooms, it seems like St. James is most often called into use.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 21, 2006, 12:06:18 PM
Does anyone know where the current Duke of Kent live? I mean I don't think he lives at Kensington Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 21, 2006, 12:10:47 PM
Does anyone know where the current Duke of Kent live? I mean I don't think he lives at Kensington Palace.


The Queen assigned the Duke and Duchess of Kent a cottage beside Kensington Palace.  Apparently the Duchess spends very little time there.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 22, 2006, 03:34:30 AM

The Queen assigned the Duke and Duchess of Kent a cottage beside Kensington Palace. 
Apparently the Duchess spends very little time there.

Thanks for the info.

Besides, have they divorced?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on October 22, 2006, 06:26:46 AM
Does anyone know where the current Duke of Kent live? I mean I don't think he lives at Kensington Palace.


The Queen assigned the Duke and Duchess of Kent a cottage beside Kensington Palace.  Apparently the Duchess spends very little time there.

I thought thr D&D of kent had a suite of rooms at St. James Palace.  ???  ???  ???

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 22, 2006, 08:29:22 AM

The Queen assigned the Duke and Duchess of Kent a cottage beside Kensington Palace. 
Apparently the Duchess spends very little time there.

Thanks for the info.

Besides, have they divorced?

No they haven't divorced.  They have led, as the term goes, "led separate lives" for awhile now.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 22, 2006, 08:33:33 AM
Does anyone know where the current Duke of Kent live? I mean I don't think he lives at Kensington Palace.


The Queen assigned the Duke and Duchess of Kent a cottage beside Kensington Palace.  Apparently the Duchess spends very little time there.

I thought thr D&D of kent had a suite of rooms at St. James Palace.  ???  ???  ???

TampaBay

They did at one time  reside in rooms that were  part of York House at St. James'.  I expect their "offices" are still at St. James' Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 22, 2006, 09:34:50 PM
There is not a lot of info of the interiors of St. James Palace.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 23, 2006, 01:59:35 PM
There is not a lot of info of the interiors of St. James Palace.  ???

That's true!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: boffer on October 23, 2006, 02:13:58 PM
York House, and all the buildings of St James's Palace is a mase.

Many different leveled floors, and doors that open into other buildings; it is rather like a rabbit warren, occasional steps, doors etc ...

Also the various buildings all house different offices and therefore are seperate but there are still doors everywhere that could be reopened. No wonder there isnt much information of St James's .... i dont think people would know where to begin.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 23, 2006, 10:23:14 PM
Maybe it could be a book project for someone.  :D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 28, 2006, 01:22:59 PM
York House, and all the buildings of St James's Palace is a mase.

Many different leveled floors, and doors that open into other buildings; it is rather like a rabbit warren, occasional steps, doors etc ...

Also the various buildings all house different offices and therefore are seperate but there are still doors everywhere that could be reopened. No wonder there isnt much information of St James's .... i dont think people would know where to begin.

Is the Princess Royal living there now?
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Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 28, 2006, 04:46:58 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/STJgr.jpg)


Ground floor of St. James' Palace 1890s.

Clarence House in red.

State Apartments in green.

Residence of Princess Victor von Hohenlohe (widow of Queen Victoria's nephew) in yellow.

Residence of Sir Francis Knollys in pink.

Residence of Col A. J. Bigge (later Lord Stanfordham) in charcoal grey.

York House residence of Georgie and May in aqua.

The Lord Chamberlain in dark blue.

The rooms used by Prince Charles as his home after his separation from Diana.  His offices were in part of York House.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2006, 08:07:08 PM
Thanks for the info...helps to understand it much more !  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 29, 2006, 04:18:36 AM
Thanks very much for this plan!

Where did you find it? If I can ask.

Thanks again
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2006, 06:17:59 AM
Yes...Where ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: amedeo on October 31, 2006, 10:54:50 AM
Here it is Sandrinham ground floor plan.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b172/amedeo_9/CASTELLA/sandringham.jpg)
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Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 31, 2006, 03:44:56 PM
The plan of St. James' Palace came out of an old book I found in a library in Edmonton, Alberta.  This was about five years ago and the book was VERY old.  It was musty and dusty and I had an allergic reaction  >:( and was ill for days afterward.  If memory serves, the book was published in the late 1890s and was called simply "St. James' Palace."
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 31, 2006, 07:39:40 PM
Wow !!! I wonder if it istill available in out-of-print shops in England.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 01, 2006, 11:22:22 AM
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 01, 2006, 12:39:49 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/STJgr.jpg)


Ground floor of St. James' Palace 1890s.

Clarence House in red.

State Apartments in green.

Residence of Princess Victor von Hohenlohe (widow of Queen Victoria's nephew) in yellow.

Residence of Sir Francis Knollys in pink.

Residence of Col A. J. Bigge (later Lord Stanfordham) in charcoal grey.

York House residence of Georgie and May in aqua.

The Lord Chamberlain in dark blue.

The rooms used by Prince Charles as his home after his separation from Diana.  His offices were in part of York House.

St. James is rather a odd designed royal palace, itsn't it?  Quite broken up, no large grand suite of state rooms.  Oh, I know this is the ground floor plan, and there is a suite of larger state rooms on the first floor above the yellow and green dotted rooms.  Nevertheless, it's quite an unflattering and uncomfortable residence for what was, in the 17th and 18th century when among the world's most influential monarchs resided there. 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: boffer on November 01, 2006, 01:00:38 PM
Well it was orignally built by Henry VIII merely as a retreat next to his newly aquired hunting ground (St James's) and it wasnt changed much untill Whitehall burned down and then it became the Base of Soverign. (Whitehall itself althought the largest royal palace in the world was described as a miseray of different ages and style buildings in no order or pattern). The lay out of St James's was distrupted further when it caught fire in the late 1700's - it was rebuilt with the additions of Clarence House and York House (now Lancaster House) - this was the first stage of moving from St James's to Buckingham.
What i thinkam trying to say is that St James's was never intended as the seat of the sovereign merely a retreat. Untill another Palace burnt down and it itself caught fire, which ultimately made it "all over the place" as it is now. Not to mention the several alterations that it has undergone since its last major rebuild with the buildings being divided, reopened and divided again as different apartments and offices have been created. St James's never had the planning of a grand palace like Buckingham Palace did, even though it shared the role of Buckingham Palace for many years.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 06:06:33 PM
Thanks for the info... ;)
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Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 06:37:13 PM
edited because of a boo boo.   ;D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 06:44:12 PM



Ground floor of St. James' Palace 1890s.

Clarence House in red.

State Apartments in green.

Residence of Princess Victor von Hohenlohe (widow of Queen Victoria's nephew) in yellow.

Residence of Sir Francis Knollys in pink.

Residence of Col A. J. Bigge (later Lord Stanfordham) in charcoal grey.

York House residence of Georgie and May in aqua.

The Lord Chamberlain in dark blue.

The rooms used by Prince Charles as his home after his separation from Diana.  His offices were in part of York House.

St. James is rather a odd designed royal palace, itsn't it?  Quite broken up, no large grand suite of state rooms.  Oh, I know this is the ground floor plan, and there is a suite of larger state rooms on the first floor above the yellow and green dotted rooms.  Nevertheless, it's quite an unflattering and uncomfortable residence for what was, in the 17th and 18th century when among the world's most influential monarchs resided there. 


A plan of St. James' Palace first floor (second floor in North America) in 1772 before fire ravaged a good portion of the building.   It comes out rather small, but if you are using Firefox, you can right click on the picture and then on the menu click on "view image" and a new window will open with a larger plan.

Modern day St. James' is a mishmash and not very comfortable looking.  There is a story (possibly apocryphal) that George V hated Buckingham Palace and wanted to demolish it and move to Kensington Palace.  If true, I am sure he would never have considered moving into St. James' even though as Duke of Cornwall and York he and May lived in part of it.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/1772St.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 07:05:37 PM


 Oh, I know this is the ground floor plan, and there is a suite of larger state rooms on the first floor above the yellow and green dotted rooms. 



The main State Rooms are where you indicated.  I've done a poorly adapted plan showing which rooms are above Princess Victor's apartment.

"A"  is what was usually referred to as "Queen Anne's Drawing Room".  "B" is "The Drawing Room" and sometimes referred to as "King William's Drawing Room" as at one time a huge painting of William IV was hung above the chimney piece.   "C"  is "The Throne Room" which on the 1772 plan is called the Council Chamber.

There isn't much individuality about these rooms!  They are all papered with crimson damask silk with white wainscoting which is partially gilt, and crimson curtains.  I gather they are meant to function and not impress.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/CopyofSTJgr.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
Thanks...But who is Princess Victor ? do you mean Princess Victoria ("Toria") ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
Thanks...But who is Princess Victor ? do you mean Princess Victoria ("Toria") ?  ???

No.  Princess Victor was married to Queen Victoria's nephew Victor von Hohenlohe-Langenburg.  She was was born Laura Seymour, an Englishwoman.  It caused a scandal in Germany because the marriage was morganatic.  She was created Countess Gleichen and Victor used the title of Count Gleichen. The couple resided in England and he served in the British navy.  He resumed using the title of Prince in 1885. And in Britain, due to the favour of Queen Victoria, his wife was recognized as Princess.  In Germany she remained Countess Gleichen, however.

After Victor's death, Queen Victoria granted his widow rooms at St. James'. 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 09:05:36 PM
Thanks for the info...I knew something about that in QV's letters but didn't know that she lived in St.James. thought Kensinston Palace was more a grace & favour residence ?  ??? Would really want to know about this interesting couple.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on November 01, 2006, 10:42:57 PM
Thanks...But who is Princess Victor ? do you mean Princess Victoria ("Toria") ?  ???

No.  Princess Victor was married to Queen Victoria's nephew Victor von Hohenlohe-Langenburg.  She was was born Laura Seymour, an Englishwoman.  It caused a scandal in Germany because the marriage was morganatic.  She was created Countess Gleichen and Victor used the title of Count Gleichen. The couple resided in England and he served in the British navy.  He resumed using the title of Prince in 1885. And in Britain, due to the favour of Queen Victoria, his wife was recognized as Princess.  In Germany she remained Countess Gleichen, however.

After Victor's death, Queen Victoria granted his widow rooms at St. James'. 

Just as a side note, not to get off-topic, but it was after attending Victor's funeral in Dec 1891 (in the cold rain, hatless) that Eddy became ill.

I started a thread on them if anyone wants to continue the discussion.

Count Gleichen (an accomplished sculptor) established an artist's studio, continued on by his sculptor daughter Feodore, in his apartments at St James's.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 19, 2006, 06:02:31 AM
Some of the semi-satate rooms of Buckingham palace:

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/The_Centre_room.jpg)

The Centre Room in the East Wing of the palace

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/the_Chinese_Dining_Room.jpg)

The Chinese Dining Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/Guests_Bedrooom.jpg)

The Guest's bedroom on the first floor in the East Wing

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/the_Regency_Room_on_the_ground_floo.jpg)

The Regency Room on the ground floor in the north-west coner of the palace

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/HRHQueenElizabethIIisseenintheRegen.jpg)

HRH Queen Elizabeth II is seen in the Regency Room 21 apr 2006


The Rooms of the Belgian Suite. This apartment is situated on the ground floor of the norht-west coner. The suite consists of the audience room (or "1844th Room"), dining room, drawing room, bedroom and the Spanish Room.

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/Diningroom.jpg)

The Guest's Dining Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/THEBUSHBEDROOM.jpg)

The Guest's Bedroom

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/THEBELGIANSUITEtheSpanishRoom.jpg)

the Spanish Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/12-50-44.jpg)

HRH Queen Elizabeth II makes her christmas broadcast from the Spanish Room in 2000

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Post by: gleb on November 19, 2006, 10:35:07 AM
very nice pics!
and welcome to the Forum :)

Btw you seem to know quite well Buckingham Palace, is it true?
I mean not all the people know where the guest bedroom is.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 19, 2006, 06:04:30 PM




(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/THEBUSHBEDROOM.jpg)

The Guest's Bedroom





I believe that is the room in which Princes Andrew and Edward were born.  The bedroom of the Belgian Suite was converted into a  salle  d'accouchement .  At the time it was very, very rare for Royals to give birth in hospitals.  I think Princess Alice (Gloucester) was the first Royal mother to go outside of a private residence having given birth to Princes William and Richard in a nursing home.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2006, 07:29:16 PM
Very lovely photos...Thanks for sharing them.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 20, 2006, 08:37:09 AM
It?s absolutely true, that Prince Andrew was born in this room.

Visiting heads of state today, when staying at the palace, occupy this suite of rooms. For example, when the US President Bush and the President of Russia Putin visited the UK in 2003, they occupied the Belgiam Suite.

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/BelgianSuitePlan.gif)
Plan of the Belgian Apartments

The Apartments on the ground floor as they were during Queen Victoria?s reign:

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/Interiorviewofthe1855thRoom.jpg)
The 1855th Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/theBowLibraryinBuckinghamPalace.jpg)
The Bow Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/Interiorviewofthe1844thRoom.jpg)
The 1844th Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/theKingofBelgiumsRoom.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/KingoftheBelgiansBedroom.jpg)
The King of Belgium's Room. It was occupied by Leopold II of Belgium (Now Guest's Drawing Room)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/theOrleansRoominBuckinghamPalace.jpg)
The Orlean's Room (Now Guest's Bedroom). It was occupied by Queen of Belgium, who was the daughter of king Louis-Philippe

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/theSpanishRoom.jpg)
The Spanish Room


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Post by: gleb on November 20, 2006, 12:29:20 PM
Wow!!!  I have no words!

These pics are absolutely stunning :) Thanks so much for sharing them with us! Where did you find them?

You show to know Buckingham Palace very well. This is very nice for me as I love Buckingham Palace and always want to know more and more about it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2006, 06:00:23 PM
Yes...I am very impressed !  :o Thanks for sharing it with us.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 21, 2006, 05:10:37 AM
The Queen Victoria's Private Apartments:

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/QueenVictoriasprivateaudiencechambe.jpg)
The Audience Chamber (Now Queen's Private Dining Room)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/QueenVictoriasprivatesittingroom2.jpg)
Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/QueenVictoriasbedroominBuckinghamPa.jpg)
Queen Victoria's bedroom

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/QueenVictoriasDressingRoom.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/QueenVictoriasdressingroom1.jpg)
Queen Victoria's Dressing Room


The Prince Consort's Private Apartments:

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/thePrinceConsortsdressingroom.jpg)
The Prince Consort's Dressing Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/thePrinceConsortswritingroom.jpg)
The Prince Consort's Writing Room

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/EdwardVIIsPrivateRoom.jpg)
Edward VII converted his father's writing room into the King's Bedroom

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/PrinceAlbertsMusicRoom.jpg)
The Prince Consort's Music Room


You can find more:

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/home.asp?JS=True (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/home.asp?JS=True)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on November 21, 2006, 05:16:41 AM
What super photographs...thank you for sharing them.

Do you know where the Carnavon Room was situated? In ML's memoirs she says that her parents had use of the Belgian suite and that the Canarvon room was amongst these incorporated in the Christian's private apartments.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 21, 2006, 06:53:30 AM


(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/BelgianSuitePlan.gif)
Plan of the Belgian Apartments



The room called Dining room is the Carnarvon (dining) room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 21, 2006, 06:57:09 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/ba-pl-b-b-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 21, 2006, 07:02:23 AM

You can find more:

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/home.asp?JS=True (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/home.asp?JS=True)



THANKS  SO MUCH!!! I did not know this link, it is simply wondeful! :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2006, 10:56:50 AM
Thanls !!! ;D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on November 21, 2006, 01:29:16 PM


(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Buck%20Palace/QueenVictoriasprivatesittingroom2.jpg)
Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room

Wonderful photos! Thank you, I love the style of rooms. Is that a picture of Princess Alice, on the left, infront of the desk? The well known Duchess of Kent painting is on the right between door and mirror. :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: ChristineM on November 21, 2006, 02:04:53 PM
What an excellent, comprehensive set of photographs.   Many thanks.

tsaria
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: jfkhaos on November 21, 2006, 03:29:23 PM
That is Alice on the easel in front of the desk :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2006, 07:59:10 PM
Correct...And a portrait of the Duchess of Kent (mother of Queen Victoria) on the wall.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: amedeo on November 23, 2006, 09:52:21 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/ba-pl-b-b-1.jpg)

Gleb, can I ask you if the Buckingham floor plan you have posted was made before Blore's addictions?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2006, 12:08:09 PM
Is it ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 23, 2006, 05:19:30 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/ba-pl-b-b-1.jpg)

Gleb, can I ask you if the Buckingham floor plan you have posted was made before Blore's addictions?

The wing Blore added closed off the the "U" shape of the palace into a courtyard.  Blore also added to the southern side of the ballroom, revised the ballroom, and I believe, added the "supper room".

The plan Gleb posted does not have the final wing added which runs southeast from the Duchess of Kent's apartments.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2006, 07:22:36 PM
interesting information.  ::) Thanks !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 23, 2006, 07:55:12 PM
interesting information.  ::) Thanks !

Don't roll your eyes like that Eric.  It's will only give you a headache.   :D


The Blore wing of Buckingham Palace prior to the 1913 alterations by Sir Aston Webb.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/Image3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2006, 07:59:45 PM
Wow it looks very different (the surroundings less busy) but still very imposing !  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 23, 2006, 08:11:03 PM
Wow it looks very different (the surroundings less busy) but still very imposing !  ;)

There were many complaints that it looked like a railway station. haha
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 23, 2006, 08:21:00 PM
David's and Wallis' dining room at  85 rue de la Faisanderie.



(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/Scan20041.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 23, 2006, 08:24:35 PM
David's and Wallis' private sitting room at 85 rue de la Faisanderie.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2006, 10:26:01 PM
Looks very comfortable.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 24, 2006, 05:02:08 AM
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Gleb, can I ask you if the Buckingham floor plan you have posted was made before Blore's addictions?

This floor plan which is from one of the books of M. Peacocke shows the Palace as it was before QV's marriage.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 24, 2006, 05:05:11 AM
Does anyone know who owns Abergeldie at moment? Is it still a royal home?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on November 24, 2006, 06:08:58 PM
Does anyone know who owns Abergeldie at moment? Is it still a royal home?

The last I heard is that it is sitting vacant and in such a state of disrepair that it is not inhabitable.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2006, 09:16:01 PM
S :'(ad...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2006, 09:16:29 PM
Sad situation.  :'(
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 26, 2006, 07:05:47 AM
Princess Elizabeth in her sitting room at Buckingham Palace, 19 July 1946

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(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Princess%20Elizabeth/PrincessElizabeth5.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Princess%20Elizabeth/PrincessElizabeth4.jpg)

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(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Princess%20Elizabeth/PrincessElizabeth7.jpg)
The view from Princess Elizabeth's sitting room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 26, 2006, 10:20:22 AM


(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Princess%20Elizabeth/PrincessElizabeth4.jpg)



This room is the old nursery which had become in those years the music room. In later years it became Prince Charles and Princess Ann's nursery.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on November 26, 2006, 01:58:37 PM
Thank you for the info glad, it's a lovely looking room. The view looking out onto the mall is very interesting, such a contrast to today with hardly any traffic. Those paintings on the wall look familiar. Is it Vicky and Albert perhaps?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2006, 07:44:23 PM
Lovely pictures !!! It gives a peep into the decor and taste of the Royal Family ! Thank for posting it !  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 27, 2006, 04:20:45 PM
The Queen recently hosted the annual Diplomatic Reception for 1,000 guests.  As is usual, all the State Rooms at Buckingham Palace are called into use for so many guests.

There is a picture on the royal website of the Queen entering the Ball Supper Room to greet some guests.  http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5701.asp (http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5701.asp)

This is the first picture I've seen of this particular room, which as I understand it adjoins the Ballroom and is accessed from the East Gallery.  Does anyone have any other info or photos of this room?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2006, 08:19:53 PM
I don't know if that room was in the intanary of the Buckham Palace tours or not.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 28, 2006, 03:36:23 AM
The Ball Supper Room room adjoins the East Gallery, which leads to the Ballroom.

The Ball Supper Room is used for temporary exhibitions each year during the summer opening of Buckingham Palace. It is also occasionally used for entertaining, most notably for the Staff Dance at Christmas time.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5144.asp (http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5144.asp)


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The interior view of the Ball Supper Room

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The Coronation Day Exhibition in the Ball Supper Room, 2002




Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2006, 03:57:41 AM
I think I have seen this room on my last tour of Buck House... ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on November 28, 2006, 08:13:51 AM
Does somebody know where Prince Andrew, Prince Edward and Princess Ann?s private apartments are located?
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 28, 2006, 10:30:13 AM
Great pics and info on the Ball Supper Room - thank you!!  It seems quite a large and elaborate room to only be used infrequently - is it not ever used for state dinners or other formal meals which are too big for the State Dining Room but not big enough for use of the ballroom?

In answer to Le Roi Soleil's question about the prince/princesses' private apartments, I believe they are located in the north wing, above the private rooms of the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh.  Some may extend into the upper floor of the east range as well.  The rooms certainly appear to be "reconfigured" as time passes and needs require.  For example, Princess Elizabeth's Sitting Room (above the Chinese Dining Room?) was later turned into a nursury.  It may well now be part of Andrew, Edward or Anne's quarters.
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Post by: gleb on November 28, 2006, 11:13:21 AM
For example, Princess Elizabeth's Sitting Room (above the Chinese Dining Room?) was later turned into a nursury.  It may well now be part of Andrew, Edward or Anne's quarters.

As far as I know Princess Elizabeth's sitting room was over the blue and yellow suite.
I will check my source, to be completely sure.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: lexi4 on November 28, 2006, 01:58:07 PM
The rooms are beautiful. I have enjoyed all the photographs..all are befitting of royality. But man, I would hate to be the one to break something in any of those places.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2006, 07:43:47 PM
Indeed ! However living in a place like this, such things are bound to happen. I heard Wills flushed a priceless miniture (most likely Charles's) into the toilet when he was a child.  ::)
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 29, 2006, 01:54:05 PM
Absolutely.  Stuff breaks - regardless of its value.  In one of his writings, as he was giving a verbal "tour' of the late Princess of Wales' apartment, Paul Burrel mentioned a vase (I believe), a gift from President Reagan, which once stood on a windowsill in the Princess' stairwell.  He mentioned that a maid washed it in too hot of water and it cracked, to be replaced in its stop by another probably equally valuable item.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2006, 08:38:18 PM
Not the official wedding gift I think...The wedding gift from the Reagans was a large crystal punch bowl.  ???
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 30, 2006, 11:23:42 AM
Not sure, I just reread the exerpt and it says it was a Steuben crystal vase, a gift from President and Mrs. Reagan on behalf of the US people, carved wtih scenes of the Pilgrims landing in America.  After it cracked from base to lip, Diana replaced it on the window sill with a hand-blown Venetian crystal lion.

The article..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/story?id=2424348&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/story?id=2424348&page=1)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2006, 08:37:30 PM
That could be the gift after the Royal visit to Washington.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: ashdean on December 05, 2006, 09:56:01 AM
Absolutely.  Stuff breaks - regardless of its value.  In one of his writings, as he was giving a verbal "tour' of the late Princess of Wales' apartment, Paul Burrel mentioned a vase (I believe), a gift from President Reagan, which once stood on a windowsill in the Princess' stairwell.  He mentioned that a maid washed it in too hot of water and it cracked, to be replaced in its stop by another probably equally valuable item.
Do not accept everything Burrell says as gospel..he is overcome with his own imagined self importance...fact & fiction seemed to get mixed in a cocktail shaker with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 11:05:03 AM
He was the cloest person to the RF who speak out... ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 05, 2006, 12:53:24 PM
Absolutely.  Stuff breaks - regardless of its value.  In one of his writings, as he was giving a verbal "tour' of the late Princess of Wales' apartment, Paul Burrel mentioned a vase (I believe), a gift from President Reagan, which once stood on a windowsill in the Princess' stairwell.  He mentioned that a maid washed it in too hot of water and it cracked, to be replaced in its stop by another probably equally valuable item.
Do not accept everything Burrell says as gospel..he is overcome with his own imagined self importance...fact & fiction seemed to get mixed in a cocktail shaker with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't challenge your assessment of Mr. Burrel, Ashdean.  On matters such as the Queen's views about key state affairs, or even the relationship between Charles and Diana, I would think twice before quoting this former servant. 

However, you may be slightly overzealous in your concern about this matter.  I can hardly see how a story about a damaged vase could, or would, be manpulated to anyone's benefit.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on December 05, 2006, 02:59:14 PM
Yes he's awful! and so false.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 08:20:37 PM
All over a vase ?  ???
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 05, 2006, 10:07:02 PM
Edward VII's study (while Prince of Wales) at, I believe, Sandringham (maybe Marlborough House)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img995w.jpg)

The portrait on the right side is of his sister Alice and her children Victoria (Battenberg) and Elizabeth (Grand Duchess Serge).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2006, 11:01:17 PM
Yes...a lot of clutter just like Alix's rooms.  ;)
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Post by: gleb on December 06, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
Edward VII's study (while Prince of Wales) at, I believe, Sandringham (maybe Marlborough House)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img995w.jpg)



It's Marlborough house.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on December 06, 2006, 11:23:10 AM
Edward VII had a large picture of Alice in his bedroom to I believe. He clearly thought a lot of her. :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: ashdean on December 06, 2006, 12:42:13 PM
Edward VII had a large picture of Alice in his bedroom to I believe. He clearly thought a lot of her. :)
Alice was Edwards favourite sister.His wedding present to her was a diamond & sapphire necklace with pendant,bracelet & brooch.They were worn on her wedding day (with a matching tiara) by her eldest daughter Victoria who in 1914 took them to Russia when she went to visit her sisters...Hurrying home at the outbreak of WW1 she left the gems with her sister Alexandra & eventually they were seized after the revolution by the Bolsheviks and lost...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 06, 2006, 03:22:52 PM
Thank you ashdean. Very interesting as usual. Such a shame the family lost THEIR jewels to the wicked Bolsheviks.  >:(

 :)
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 06, 2006, 05:33:29 PM
Edward VII's study (while Prince of Wales) at, I believe, Sandringham (maybe Marlborough House)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img995w.jpg)



It's Marlborough house.

Thanks--I didn't have the original page with me so I wasn't sure.  :)
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 06, 2006, 05:36:14 PM
Edward VII had a large picture of Alice in his bedroom to I believe. He clearly thought a lot of her. :)
Alice was Edwards favourite sister.His wedding present to her was a diamond & sapphire necklace with pendant,bracelet & brooch.They were worn on her wedding day (with a matching tiara) by her eldest daughter Victoria who in 1914 took them to Russia when she went to visit her sisters...Hurrying home at the outbreak of WW1 she left the gems with her sister Alexandra & eventually they were seized after the revolution by the Bolsheviks and lost...

Are you sure? Ursula's great royal jewels site says she wore a large emerald corsage--though she doesn't say anything about other jewels. Would she have worn sapphires and emeralds?

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hessen/elisabeth-von-hessen-brosche.htm
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 06, 2006, 09:08:59 PM
I think that was part of her everyday jewels. In fact it was a gift from her grandmother Elisabeth of Prussia (Princess Karl of Hesse). She had it until she sold it for money. It was then bought by the family of Thurn & Taxis until Gloria put it back into the market.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: ashdean on December 07, 2006, 10:04:50 AM
Edward VII had a large picture of Alice in his bedroom to I believe. He clearly thought a lot of her. :)
Alice was Edwards favourite sister.His wedding present to her was a diamond & sapphire necklace with pendant,bracelet & brooch.They were worn on her wedding day (with a matching tiara) by her eldest daughter Victoria who in 1914 took them to Russia when she went to visit her sisters...Hurrying home at the outbreak of WW1 she left the gems with her sister Alexandra & eventually they were seized after the revolution by the Bolsheviks and lost...

Are you sure? Ursula's great royal jewels site says she wore a large emerald corsage--though she doesn't say anything about other jewels. Would she have worn sapphires and emeralds?

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hessen/elisabeth-von-hessen-brosche.htm
The corsage ornament Victoria wears in her wedding photograph is not the emerald heirloom (if you look closely) obviously Victoria did not take it to Russia with her...but the sapphires along with other diadems,a set of diamond stars (Queen Victoria's wedding gift)& other gems were lost...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: ashdean on December 07, 2006, 10:07:49 AM
I think that was part of her everyday jewels. In fact it was a gift from her grandmother Elisabeth of Prussia (Princess Karl of Hesse). She had it until she sold it for money. It was then bought by the family of Thurn & Taxis until Gloria put it back into the market.  ???
Victoria did not sell the emerald brooch..it passed to her daughter Louise & then from her to Earl Mountbatten whose HEIRS sold it...but you are right Eric it was for MONEY !!!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2006, 07:48:13 PM
Well...Why did Louise gave the jewel to Dickie ? That must be strange. Perhaps he bequeth it in her will ???  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on December 08, 2006, 10:09:37 PM
Edward VII had a large picture of Alice in his bedroom to I believe. He clearly thought a lot of her. :)
Alice was Edwards favourite sister.His wedding present to her was a diamond & sapphire necklace with pendant,bracelet & brooch.They were worn on her wedding day (with a matching tiara) by her eldest daughter Victoria who in 1914 took them to Russia when she went to visit her sisters...Hurrying home at the outbreak of WW1 she left the gems with her sister Alexandra & eventually they were seized after the revolution by the Bolsheviks and lost...

Are you sure? Ursula's great royal jewels site says she wore a large emerald corsage--though she doesn't say anything about other jewels. Would she have worn sapphires and emeralds?

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hessen/elisabeth-von-hessen-brosche.htm
The corsage ornament Victoria wears in her wedding photograph is not the emerald heirloom (if you look closely) obviously Victoria did not take it to Russia with her...but the sapphires along with other diadems,a set of diamond stars (Queen Victoria's wedding gift)& other gems were lost...

I don't want this to get much more off-topic but thanks for clearing that up. I assumed that since the wedding picture was used that it meant the emerald corsage was worn at her wedding. It's hard to find photos of VMH in jewels, she was so down-to-earth.

As for it being left to Earl Mountbatten, it's not strange at all since the siblings were close and Louise didn't have children while EM had 2 daughters. An item that belonged to their mother--and one of the few heirloom jewels she retained--they would want to stay in the family. In addition, Louise's stepchildren, especially Ingrid (the only girl), inherited their mother's jewelry.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2006, 10:45:17 PM
Well...She could have given it to her niceces or Prince Philip.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on December 09, 2006, 12:52:58 PM
Or her brother--which she chose to. There's nothing strange about it. Giving it to her brother kept it in the Battenberg line--or at least it would've it wasn't later sold--and the 2 siblings were very close.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2006, 08:33:47 PM
Well...Dickie wasn't that sentimental about things which would explain why he later sold it.  :(
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on December 15, 2006, 11:27:46 AM
Queen Alexandra's room.


http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2102004&row=95&detail=magnify (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2102004&row=95&detail=magnify)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on December 15, 2006, 11:29:54 AM
The Queen at her desk


http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2999851&row=136&detail=magnify (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2999851&row=136&detail=magnify)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on December 15, 2006, 11:31:52 AM
The Duchess of Kent's Sitting Room with her chair in which she sat when she was taken ill, 15th March 1861, Frogmore House


http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101326&row=30&detail=magnify (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101326&row=30&detail=magnify)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2006, 08:20:26 PM
Nice !  ;) I wonder if they also had a photo of the bedroom ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 16, 2006, 06:09:26 AM
I wonder also, for how long where the rooms kept the same? It was one of QVs orders after her mothers death.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on December 17, 2006, 06:45:41 AM
Nice !  ;) I wonder if they also had a photo of the bedroom ?  ???

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101324&row=28&detail=magnify (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101324&row=28&detail=magnify)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on December 17, 2006, 06:46:20 AM
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101325&row=29&detail=magnify (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?category=EAPHOTOGRAPHS&object=2101325&row=29&detail=magnify)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on December 17, 2006, 07:26:38 AM
Wonderful links, thank you Gleb! Apparently Frogmore was named after all the frogs that resided their, very sweet. I would love to visit. What's it used for now? Still a museum?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2006, 08:49:26 PM
I think a museum...as I don't think any royals lived there now.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Viscount on December 18, 2006, 05:11:04 AM
Wonderful links, thank you Gleb! Apparently Frogmore was named after all the frogs that resided their, very sweet. I would love to visit. What's it used for now? Still a museum?


Frogmore House is not a "museum". 

Although Queen Mary assembled much of her personal collection of treasures, souvenirs and objet d'art etc. there, its classed as a former Royal residence - which many of the Royals use for parties, meetings and conferences for their numerous affiliated charities and organisations.

Although no Royals currently reside, the house is part-occupied (obviously not the former Royal apartments) by Royal Household staff. 

The House, gardens and the nearby Royal Mausoleum are usually open to the public upon about six individual days each year, usually around the August Bank Holiday with proceeds for a nominated charity.  The Mausoleum is also open on the Wednesday nearest Queen Victoria's birthday (24th May).

The 2007 Opening hours and admission prices

Charity Day Openings

Frogmore House is open twice in the course of this year, once in May, and again in August. Dates and prices follow. Unfortunately, Frogmore House is unsuitable for children under eight and wheelchair accessibility is limited by architectural aspects and is not possible inside the Mausoleum or the upstairs rooms of Frogmore House.

15-17 May 2007
The House, Garden and Mausoleum are open 10:00 - 17:30 with last admissions at 16:00.

23 May 2007
Mausoleum only open 11:00 - 16:00 with last admissions at 15:30.

Tickets - Garden only
Adult, Over 60, Student and 8-16 years £4.00
On the anniversary of Queen Victoria's birthday (24th May), the Mausoleum is open free of charge.

Frogmore House (on-the-day tickets only) is open 10:00 - 17:30 with last admissions at 16:00
Adult  £4.50
Over 60  £3.50
Student (with valid ID) £3.50
Under 17 £2.50

The Mausoleum only
In addition to other dates listed on this page, on 23rd May 2007, in memory of Queen Victoria's birthday, the Mausoleum is open to the public free of charge.

August Bank Holiday, 25-27th August 2007
The House, Garden and Mausoleum are open 10:00 - 17:30 with Last admissions at 16:00
Adult  £6.00
Over 60  £5.00
Student (with valid ID)  £5.00
Under 17 £2.50


The Viscount

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2006, 07:54:30 PM
I wonder if future royals would consider living there ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on December 18, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
It was apparently a favorite summer residence for George V and Queen Mary while they were Prince/Princess of Wales. In his autobiography, "A King's Story," the Duke of Windsor explained how a stay at Frogmore usually meant a break from the strict daily regime enforced by his father, who was often away while the family stayed at Frogmore.

I hadn't realized Earl Mountbatten was born at Frogmore and that Empress Marie temporarily stayed here post-Revolution though.

"Gradually, use of the house as a residence and retreat began to decrease, thanks in part to serious problems with damp and dry rot in the 1920s and 1930s that almost led to its complete destruction. With the house in somewhat less than hospitable conditions, focus shifted to the grounds and, in October 1928, land immediately to the southwest of The Royal Mausoleum was consecrated as a private royal burial ground. Later that month, the remains of several members of the extended royal family were moved from St. George's Chapel at Windsor Castle to the new Royal Burial Ground at Frogmore. "

During the 1980s the house underwent extensive restoration, revealing the lost early 18th century wall paintings by Louis Laguerre. Laguerre was a French painter from the 1600s whose wall paintings can be found in Marlborough House, Chatsworth House, and Blenheim Palace. In 1988, it was planned that the newly married Duke and Duchess of York would move into Frogmore House, but they decided against doing so.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2006, 02:17:58 AM
Maybe Prince William or Prince Harry might move there...?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 20, 2006, 10:57:23 AM
I have always suspected that Frogmore has been kept "reserved" in the event that the Duke of Edinburgh outlives the Queen.  There is always a residence "settled on" the surviving spouse of a monarch, and this is likely planned far in advance. 

With Royal Lodge already occupied, and Balmoral/Sandringham to be inherited by Charles, Frogmore is the most likely retirement home for a widowed Phillip.  If not there, where?  Clarence House and Birkhall will most likely pass to William, and Kensington is apparently not being planned for new royal occupants

Side note - I personally think its terrible that Kensington is being taken out of royal use - that palace is perfectly suited to house a variety of royals in easily secure, comfortable, and relatively easily reconfigured accomodations.  Frankly, I always thought it would make more sense to use the entire palace for royal apartments and staff, and give up a few of the separate residences like Clarence House, St. James' private quarters, etc.  That lets you only have to secure one building, run communications to one place, etc.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Viscount on December 20, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
I have always suspected that Frogmore has been kept "reserved" in the event that the Duke of Edinburgh outlives the Queen.  There is always a residence "settled on" the surviving spouse of a monarch, and this is likely planned far in advance. 

With Royal Lodge already occupied, and Balmoral/Sandringham to be inherited by Charles, Frogmore is the most likely retirement home for a widowed Phillip.  If not there, where?  Clarence House and Birkhall will most likely pass to William, and Kensington is apparently not being planned for new royal occupants

Side note - I personally think its terrible that Kensington is being taken out of royal use - that palace is perfectly suited to house a variety of royals in easily secure, comfortable, and relatively easily reconfigured accomodations.  Frankly, I always thought it would make more sense to use the entire palace for royal apartments and staff, and give up a few of the separate residences like Clarence House, St. James' private quarters, etc.  That lets you only have to secure one building, run communications to one place, etc.

I know Im getting off thread, but I doubt very much if the Duke will be a widower..... more like, HM will be a widow.  Dont forget he is 5 years older than HM........


The Viscount
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 20, 2006, 03:58:51 PM
I'm sure you are right.  However, the royal household plans for all possibilities - and it is certainly possible that Phillip could become a widower. 

Royals often have agreements dealing with such details drawn up as part of their marriage contracts.  Upon his marriage in 1947, Phillip could have been guaranteed an income and/or residence should he outlive the Queen.

Phillip is the most often user of Frogmore House.  He arrainged the Britannia Room there after the decomissioning of the Royal Yacht.  He entertains friends there on occasion.  By appearances, Phillip seems to treat the house as his own retreat - which suggests to me that it could well be his own retreat!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Viscount on December 20, 2006, 05:34:20 PM
I'm sure you are right.  However, the royal household plans for all possibilities - and it is certainly possible that Phillip could become a widower. 

Royals often have agreements dealing with such details drawn up as part of their marriage contracts.  Upon his marriage in 1947, Phillip could have been guaranteed an income and/or residence should he outlive the Queen.

Phillip is the most often user of Frogmore House.  He arrainged the Britannia Room there after the decomissioning of the Royal Yacht.  He entertains friends there on occasion.  By appearances, Phillip seems to treat the house as his own retreat - which suggests to me that it could well be his own retreat!

Anything is possible!  But I do doubt that HM will depart before the Duke. In my mind it is inconceivable that in the unlikely event that he would die first. 

No future monarch (be it his eldest son or grandson?) would exactly throw him out.  Most previous monarchs have let consorts reside in the splendour that they were used to, out of respect and courtesy.  He is of course a determined person, who wont allow himself to be packaged off in his dotage.  I think retirement in widowerhood are not words in his vocab.  I also doubt very much if any pre-nuptial arrangement was settled about post-Queen life, as so much would depend on his health, who the Sovereign was etc... very unlikely IMHO.

Although you are absolutely right that the Duke did establish the Britannia Room but he does not go there for any other reason (like some of the other Royals) other than a place to "host" conferences for charities and other affiliated organisations and does not spend any time there privately.  I would therefore doubt very much that the Duke would move there.... but who knows?


The Viscount

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 20, 2006, 08:19:27 PM
I like the idea ogf a royal living in Frogmore again... ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on January 07, 2007, 03:59:05 PM
I am interested in british royal interiors. I saw here some links for beautiful interiors in Buck Palace, at the time of Victoria and Albert, including private appartments. I would like to see some interiors at the time of George V and Queen Mary, and also some plans or explanations regarding the locations of their private appts.
I would also see some interiors of Windsor, but of the private appts, too. Please, it is very important for me.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2007, 07:29:57 PM
Me too...so much I took a course in Decorative Arts ion London. saw a few good English country houses and royal residences.  ;)
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 20, 2007, 02:06:22 PM
The Blue Room (the former George IV's bedroom) at Windsor Castle 1860s
It was demolished by Edward VII
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/BlueRoom.jpg)

Some pics of the Private Dining Room (the former George IV's closet) at Windsor Castle
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/TheKingscloset.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/QUEENSTABLE.jpg)

The Royal Family in the Private Dining Room 1969
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/RoyalFamily1969.jpg)

The Queen's Private Sitting Room at Windsor Castle
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/TheQueensPrivateSittingRoom.jpg)

Australian PM John Howard with the Queen in her Private Sitting Room. Windsor Castle June 1997
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/JohnHowardQueenJune1997.jpg)

The Sovereing's Entrance
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/OFFICIALEXIT.jpg)
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Post by: Aleksasha on January 21, 2007, 08:12:47 AM
Dear Roi Soleil,

Many thanks for the photos. I'm very happy  :D
The question is where are situated the rooms ( I know it is about the East Wing) but...what stone wall it is seen through the window ( in the photo with the Queen and PM Howard...in HM private sitting room...). I thaught the windows of the private appts. are looking to the East terrace... :-\

But still thank you !!!
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Post by: gleb on January 21, 2007, 11:21:54 AM
The Blue Room (the former George IV's bedroom) at Windsor Castle 1860s
It was demolished by Edward VII


Do you know what this room is like nowadays? Is it still used as a bedroom (of  HRH the Duke od Edinburgh, I mean)?

Thank you
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2007, 07:41:59 PM
Don't know...I wonder if they have a book on Buck House's more updated plans.  ???
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 22, 2007, 12:59:50 AM
As I know the Blue room (where George IV, William IV and Prince Albert died) became the Wedgwood Room. This room formed part of George IV's private suite in the central area of the east front of the castle. It originally combined the functions of both bedroom and bathroom. The arrangement of the room was not deemed a success and George IV moved his bed to the adjacent room. The bath was moved elsewhere at the same time. After the death of Prince Albert in this room in 1861, the room was preserved by Queen Victoria, its George IV hangings still intact, as a shrine to his memory. With the accession of Edward VII, the room was stripped out and all traces of its previous use were obliterated.

 
Here it is first floor plan of the east wing where HM's private apartment is situated
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/planWC.jpg)


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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 02:35:33 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Cb4.jpg)


Prince Albert's bedroom, to MHO the hidden door on the left led to the bathroom.
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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 02:39:05 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Cb1.jpg)

Prince Albert's sitting room. As far as I know it later became E VII's bedroom and then G V' s study
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2007, 02:43:38 AM
Thanks for sharing the info & the photos.  ;) I have been inside Buck House but cannot get the rooms right.  :P
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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 02:44:36 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/wi_hi_c-c-30.jpg)
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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 02:46:26 AM
Thanks for sharing the info & the photos.  ;) I have been inside Buck House but cannot get the rooms right.  :P

This is Windsor Castle :)
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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 02:57:23 AM
As I know the Blue room (where George IV, William IV and Prince Albert died) became the Wedgwood Room. With the accession of Edward VII, the room was stripped out and all traces of its previous use were obliterated.


Thanks for the these infos :)

I still wonder where the Duke has his bedroom and rooms, maybe in the south wing ???

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2007, 03:15:10 AM
Never see the Duke's appartments. Wonder how they are decorated. I suspect as Spartan as the man himself.  ;)
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Post by: gleb on January 22, 2007, 03:16:36 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Picture033.jpg)


EVII 's bedroom, Buckingham Palace.
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Post by: Aleksasha on January 22, 2007, 05:05:23 AM
Thank you very much, Roi Soleil :) !
Thank you dear friends, the informations became more and more interesting regarding the private appts. at Windsor castle and Buck!
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 22, 2007, 10:55:12 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/wi_hi_c-c-30.jpg)
This room is the former King's closet. All kings from George IV to George V usually slept here.
George VI and Queen Elizabeth Queen-Mother used Windsor Castle only for state occasions. They preferred to stay at the Royal Lodge. And now this room used as the Queen's Private Dining Room.

As for Duke's apartments I know that Duke's study adjoins to the White Drawing Room. His study is the former King's Sitting Room.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on January 22, 2007, 01:05:44 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Picture033.jpg)



Thank you Gleb! :) The two portraits facing each other look Vicky and Alice...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 22, 2007, 08:11:38 PM
I know the small painting is of Queen Victoria & Vicky.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 22, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Cb1.jpg)

Prince Albert's sitting room. As far as I know it later became E VII's bedroom and then G V' s study

This is Prince Albert?s private bedroom (and now Queen?s private dining room). This photo was taken after 1861, when this room became Queen Victoria?s Closet.  I am sure, that Albert never slept in the Blue Room. It?s unlikely somebody have any desire to sleep in the room where two kings died. But shortly before his death Albert ordered to replace his bed in the Blue Room.

G IV, W IV, Prince Albert, E VII and G V?s writing (or sitting) room is adjacent to the White Drawing Room. Prince Philippe used this room as his private study. I think that Duke?s bedroom adjoins queen?s bedroom in Victoria Tower.
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 22, 2007, 11:02:51 PM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/QVwindsor.png)
Queen Victoria in Mourning at Windsor, 1863
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Post by: Aleksasha on January 23, 2007, 03:41:54 AM
Well, all it's fine until now. The question is...what about Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary 's rooms at Buck and Windsor ? Any idea of this ? Or photos? Being fascinated in Q Mary, I would like to know how she was living...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2007, 03:53:49 AM
I think there exist some of Queen Mary's, although I have never seen or heard of Queen Alexandra's rooms in buck house being preseved by photo.  ???
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Post by: gleb on January 23, 2007, 10:51:57 AM

This is Prince Albert?s private bedroom (and now Queen?s private dining room). This photo was taken after 1861, when this room became Queen Victoria?s Closet.  I am sure, that Albert never slept in the Blue Room. It?s unlikely somebody have any desire to sleep in the room where two kings died. But shortly before his death Albert ordered to replace his bed in the Blue Room.

G IV, W IV, Prince Albert, E VII and G V?s writing (or sitting) room is adjacent to the White Drawing Room. Prince Philippe used this room as his private study. I think that Duke?s bedroom adjoins queen?s bedroom in Victoria Tower.


Thank you very much for these infos! They are quite interesting :)

I am sure G VI used this room as his study, in fact it's here that the Princesses made a radio broadcast to the children of the Empire in 1940, I saw a photo.

Have you got photos of Prince Albert's sitting room as it was in E VII or GV's times?
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Post by: gleb on January 23, 2007, 11:10:07 AM

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/planWC.jpg)



The Duke's bedroom can only be one of the two rooms which are between the dining room and the Queen's bedroom. BUT, as you all know, the first room you meet after HM's bedroom is a quite dark room so I think it is a bathroom.
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Post by: amedeo on January 23, 2007, 01:29:58 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Picture033.jpg)


EVII 's bedroom, Buckingham Palace.

Thank you Gleb for this wonderful pic!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2007, 07:51:05 PM
It is a really nice photo.  ;D
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 23, 2007, 10:09:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Picture033.jpg)



Thank you Gleb! :) The two portraits facing each other look Vicky and Alice...

The one on the left is Princess Louise (Argyll) by Koberwein and, it's hard to tell, but I think the one on the right is the Winterhalter of Princess Alexandra.

Louise:
(http://www.inveraray-castle.com/media/uploads/36/princess_louise.jpg)

Alexandra:
(http://www.artunframed.com/images/winterhalter/ali121_small.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 23, 2007, 10:10:37 PM
I know the small painting is of Queen Victoria & Vicky.  ;)

It's of Queen Victoria, Vicky and Bertie (an infant in his mother's arms).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2007, 02:18:09 AM
I wonder if the arrangements of the paintings has not been changed ?  ???
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Post by: Eddie_uk on January 24, 2007, 07:16:25 AM
I think the one on the right is Vicky, the same portrait that appeared on the paper back Hannah Pakula bio?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 24, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
Hard to tell... ???
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Post by: gleb on January 26, 2007, 01:20:28 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Op4.jpg)

Windsor castle, south wing.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 26, 2007, 01:21:56 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Op3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 26, 2007, 01:25:40 PM
Windsor castle, south wing.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2007, 08:01:48 PM
Very nice...Illustrated London News ?
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Post by: Aleksasha on January 30, 2007, 06:25:43 AM
Thank you Gleb, for the pics. Very nice and interesting ! :) Well, would you be so kind to tell us the source and the date? And...another images?
And dear friends, what about the Queen's Bedroom ( not quite today, but..in the past?) ???
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Post by: gleb on January 30, 2007, 10:53:37 AM
Thank you Gleb, for the pics. Very nice and interesting ! :) Well, would you be so kind to tell us the source and the date?

These pics are from the book "For the King's pleasure"

https://www.the-royal-collection.com/UK/shop/catalogue4.asp?ProductID=111815&ID=602769985986546330&RangeID=27 (https://www.the-royal-collection.com/UK/shop/catalogue4.asp?ProductID=111815&ID=602769985986546330&RangeID=27)
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Post by: gleb on January 30, 2007, 10:57:48 AM

And dear friends, what about the Queen's Bedroom ( not quite today, but..in the past?) ???


In that book there is a  photo of the Queen's bed. It is not written that it is Her bed, but if one knows what the room is like, one can understand it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 30, 2007, 11:01:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Op2.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2007, 07:31:49 PM
QV's Bedroom at Windsor.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 31, 2007, 09:24:22 AM
If that's Queen Victoria's bedroom at Windsor, it doesn't seem to be the same corner room in the Queen's Tower that the floor plan earlier shows as the present Queen's bedroom.  The picture shows the bed against a solid wall directly opposite the fireplace.  Looking at the plan, there is a large window directly opposite the fireplace in the Queen's bedroom. 

Now, its certainly possible that QV placed her bed in front of a window, but given how dark these private rooms must be, I wouldn't imagine anyone would purposefully cover up a window.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 31, 2007, 10:19:34 AM
QV's Bedroom at Windsor.  ???

This is not the Queen's bedroom, it is a room in the south wing. I forgot to write the caption. Sorry.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
Which room is that ?  ???
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 03, 2007, 04:15:03 PM
This is one of the guest's bedrooms. It is situated in the South Tower.
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 03, 2007, 04:18:08 PM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/WCsouth.jpg)
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 03, 2007, 04:18:38 PM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/PAR_WC.jpg)

The Private Audience Room, Windsor Castle
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 03, 2007, 04:20:23 PM
Has anyone pics of the Oak Room?
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Post by: amedeo on February 04, 2007, 09:13:16 AM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/PAR_WC.jpg)

The Private Audience Room, Windsor Castle


Hello!

Where have you found this pic?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2007, 07:53:40 PM
A very nice room !  ;)
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:00:55 AM
Dear Roi Soleil,

I cannot understand if this room is in the south wing or in the east one (King's app.)
Do you know when this photo was taken? I mean is it from Queen Victoria's times or later? It seems to be in german style.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:19:19 AM
The oval portraits on the wall are the sons of King George III. I read somewhere that King George VI restored the artist's grouping of the portraits by age and in three rows.
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:21:47 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/deee.jpg)
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:23:05 AM
Has anyone pics of the Oak Room?
Do you mean this room:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/oak1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:34:13 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/Op4.jpg)

Windsor castle, south wing.

I think this room is the same room posted by Le Roi Soleil. Of course it had benn changed.
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 03:37:17 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/218.jpg)

The watercolour is room 218
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2007, 04:01:58 AM
What room was that with George III's children's portraits.  ???
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 05, 2007, 09:40:58 AM
A question.  Based on the floorplan of the south wing, it would seem that the configuration of suites into sitting rooms / dressing rooms, bedrooms means that there are only approx. 5-6 "suites" in this range.  Surely these are all required for guests at a given time. 

(I remember watching a series on state entertaining at Windsor when the President of France attended the performance of Les Miserable in the Waterloo - er - Music Room.  A brief scene showed a maid preparing a bedroom for the President and his wife and the view clearly showed that the room was either in the York or Lancaster Tower.)

It would also seem likely that the senior royals have their own bedrooms / bedroom suites in the castle for frequent visits.  I mean, Charles & Cam, Edward & Sophie, Andrew, Anne and her husband, and probably some of the grandchildren.  Would those rooms be "upstairs" above the state floor in the various towers of the south and east range, or elsewhere?  Anyone know?
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 10:22:32 AM


I remember watching a series on state entertaining at Windsor when the President of France attended the performance of Les Miserable in the Waterloo - er - Music Room.  A brief scene showed a maid preparing a bedroom for the President and his wife and the view clearly showed that the room was either in the York or Lancaster Tower.)


Their bedroom was in the Lancaster tower, the room on the right is a dressing room with adjoining bathroom and lavatory, the room on the left is another dressing room with another bathroom and lavatory,  then there is the so called Coffee room, a sort of sitting room.
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Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 10:25:54 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/lancasterroom.jpg)

the bedroom where Chirac slept that night. The bed seems to be the same as it is nowadays, even if now it hasn't the canopy.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 05, 2007, 10:29:31 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/coffeeroom.jpg)

the coffee room, right above G IV's gate.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 05, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
Thank you Gleb! Wonderful images. Did not Queen Victoria give birth to Princess Alice in a room above the G IV gate? And Alice later gave birth to Princess Victoria in the same room and same bed! But am probably mistaken!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2007, 07:08:50 PM
Is that bedroom still intact ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on February 06, 2007, 08:08:35 AM
Dear friends,

Thank you for your posts and opinions.
I am wondering were is/was the Private Audience Room ? ???
Meanwhile, look at <http://special.st-andrews.ac.uk.> 
It is wonderful!!! The Library Photographic Archive of St.Andrews University. Lot of photos in Windsor castle ( but...the gala halls) but including semi-state appts and the Private Audience room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on February 06, 2007, 08:53:04 AM
And...<www.visual-evidence.ac.uk>
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 06, 2007, 10:56:16 AM

Meanwhile, look at <http://special.st-andrews.ac.uk.> 
 The Library Photographic Archive of St.Andrews University. Lot of photos in Windsor castle and the Private Audience room.

I cannot find it. Can you help me.

Thanks
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2007, 10:48:43 PM
Yes...some help please ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on February 07, 2007, 05:48:54 AM
I dont't know what happens with the sites  ??? I tried to verify and...you're right.
Still, for St Andrews Library try please with a serch on Google <Windsor Castle St.Andrews> on "web", not "images". And <visual-evidence.ac.uk.> it is impossible to acces for the moment. I assure you that wasn't the situation two days ago.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 07, 2007, 07:49:10 PM
Hope things turn out right soon... ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 15, 2007, 04:09:24 PM
Thank you Gleb! Wonderful images. Did not Queen Victoria give birth to Princess Alice in a room above the G IV gate? And Alice later gave birth to Princess Victoria in the same room and same bed! But am probably mistaken!

Strange question perhaps - but why would QV have given birth to a child in a room down the hall from her own apartments?  I read another thread somewhere that said (I believe) that HM The Queen gave birth to Prince Edward in the Belgian Suite at Buckingham Palace.

Maybe I'm missing something elementary, but if you're going to have a baby at home, why wouldn't you do so in your own bedroom?
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Post by: Eddie_uk on February 15, 2007, 04:28:43 PM
Good question Chris! I think I made an error. Queen Victoria gave birth to Alice at Buckingham Palace. I think it was at Windsor that Alice gave birth to Princess Victoria and in 1885 Victoria gave birth to Alice in the same room and bed! I think it was in a room above one of the gates.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2007, 08:31:22 PM
I am confused here...Where did QV gave birth to Alice ? Buckingham Palace or Windsor ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 16, 2007, 01:56:02 AM
Buckingham Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 16, 2007, 02:08:10 AM
And Princess Alice gave birth to VMH is Windsor ? If so what is the co-relation here of the two births ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 16, 2007, 05:39:53 AM
Maybe I'm missing something elementary, but if you're going to have a baby at home, why wouldn't you do so in your own bedroom?


I don't think you would like to have your own bedroom turned into a delivery room full of doctors, nurses etc etc. The bedroom is a very private place.
So I think  this is why the Queen decided so.
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 16, 2007, 11:07:41 AM
Fair enough. 

I probably wouldn't normally have asked such a question, but Royal Interiors happens to be my favorite topic / thread and I was afraid it would slip off page 1 and into oblivion.   
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on February 16, 2007, 11:58:50 AM
and I was afraid it would slip off page 1 and into oblivion.   

Me too :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2007, 08:33:55 AM
Me too too  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on February 21, 2007, 09:28:51 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/img348sittingroomosborne.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2007, 02:13:13 AM
QV"s sitting room in Windsor ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on February 22, 2007, 04:24:24 AM
No, it is QV's private siiting room in Osborne House, the biggest room in the 1st floor of the royal pavillion  in the palace.
Still, I hope someone will find and post photos of QV private sitting room and bedroom in Windsor Castle, Victoria Tower.  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on February 22, 2007, 05:45:12 PM
QV"s sitting room in Windsor ?  ???

No, that's why I included the caption.  :)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2007, 06:54:03 PM
Yes of course ! I have been there actually. The room was much more airy and nice than the photo that makes it dull.  :P
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 23, 2007, 02:03:35 PM
Thanks for interesting photos of the castle, Gleb. And especially for the photo of the Oak Room.

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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on February 23, 2007, 02:07:58 PM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/2255_nb2.jpg)
The Queen Mother's Drawing Room on the first floor of the Clarence House. 1990s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/PrincessElizabethatdrawingroom1950.jpg)
Princess Elizabeth at drawing room of the Clarence House 1950

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/U1262651INP.jpg)
This portrait of Princess Margaret and her mother was made in the morning room at Clarence House by Cecil Beaton especially for the Princess's 24th birthday.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2007, 08:04:52 PM
Always loved Beaton's photos.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Lucien on March 11, 2007, 11:12:41 AM
Buckingham Palace during Queen Victoria's Reign,interior & exterior:

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/easy_results.asp?index=1&main_query=buckingham%20palace&theme=&period=&county=&district=&place_name=

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2007, 08:35:54 PM
Interesting ! thanks !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 24, 2007, 05:08:40 AM
Thanks for interesting photos of the castle, Gleb. And especially for the photo of the Oak Room.



You're very wellcome. :) and thank you for your interesting photos.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on May 11, 2007, 01:41:37 PM
As I know the Blue room (where George IV, William IV and Prince Albert died) became the Wedgwood Room.


I found  out that probably the wedgwood room is near the Queen's sitting room, in the south wing, and not the former blue room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: basilforever on May 11, 2007, 03:30:58 PM
Does the Blue Room no longer exist? ??? I think it would be good if it still remained a memorial to Prince Albert as QV wanted it to be.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 11, 2007, 08:16:01 PM
I don't think so...Edward VII changed a lot of tghings when he came to the throne.  ::)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: basilforever on May 12, 2007, 11:58:34 AM
I know he did, but something so special as the Blue Room where Prince Albert died and which was left as it was then as a memorial to him, should have been left untouched!

Does anyone have any pictures of it?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 13, 2007, 09:36:18 AM
Yesterday I watched "Windsor Castle" and it really showeds the inside of the castle.  I think it is a good show:

http://www.pbs.org/opb/windsorcastle/

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 24, 2007, 07:01:22 PM

I am wondering were is/was the Private Audience Room ? ???


i wanted to ask & see if everyone already knows the layout of queen Victoria & prince Albert's private apartments in Windsor?

i ask because i found a plan dated 18 January 1880 & the room names (and some descriptions) are written by hand....but it specifically shows which rooms are where.     among others, the "the Blue Room", "the King's Red Room", queen Victoria's bedroom, her sitting room, the private audience room etc.     

but if everyone already knows where the rooms are (ie: which room p Albert died in, etc), i won't bother to post it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 24, 2007, 07:22:48 PM
Please post it.  I am sure there is always someone who hasn't seen plans.  (Like me!)

Your efforts are much appreciated!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Mary R. on May 24, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
I have not seen them and would love to! :)

Regards,
Mary R.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 24, 2007, 10:52:34 PM

here ya go:



i found this, by chance, today at a book sale at the San Francisco Public Library.    i was flipping through a Christie's sale catalogue, and there it was. 

the diagram & the room list were included in a letter written by "Mr. H. Sahl to Sir Theodore Martin (Osborne House 18 January 1880)".

*** NOTE:  i'm including another (more architecturally accurate) plan which i have labeled, using Mr Sahl's room list.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/windsor2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/windsor3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/windsorcolor.jpg)

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 25, 2007, 03:17:33 AM
Wow ! Thanks ! Appreciate it.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 25, 2007, 04:09:54 AM


btw,
the colored plan i added, is actually only a "corner" of a much bigger one that actually shows the entire castle.  (it's huge...).     
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 25, 2007, 04:45:23 AM
how big ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 25, 2007, 05:31:19 AM
Could you e-mail it then?

Very appreciative,
-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 25, 2007, 06:44:33 AM
Wonderful! Thank you Brian. I like the little passage from Alberts room into QVs sitting room! :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Mary R. on May 25, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
Yes thank you so much! :D  It's a glimpse of the private life!

Regards,
Mary R.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 25, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
I don't know if anybody has seen this but I found this great site:

http://www.thamesweb.co.uk/windsor/castle/

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2007, 12:18:57 AM
Thanks for the tip!  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on May 27, 2007, 01:25:43 PM
somewhere I read  that Prince Albert's writing room later became King Edward's bathroom.



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/windsorcolor.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2007, 07:31:35 PM
Really ? I never that before....Are you sure the info is accurate ?  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:25:15 PM
The other thread was getting a little bit long so I thought I should start this one. 

Here are some Interiors:

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleQueensGuardChamber.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleQueensGuardChamber.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:27:17 PM
I understand this!  ;D

Some more:

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleKingsAudiencePalace.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleKingsAudiencePalace.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_KensingtonPalacePresenceChamber.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/KensingtonPalacePresenceChamber.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_KensingtonPalaceGreatStaircase.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/KensingtonPalaceGreatStaircase.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:30:17 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseGreatHall.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseGreatHall.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseEntranceHall.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseEntranceHall.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseConservatory.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseConservatory.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionStable.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionStable.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionSaloon.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionSaloon.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:31:19 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionMusicRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionMusicRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionLibrary.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionLibrary.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionGallery.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionGallery.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionBanquetRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionBanquetRoom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:32:13 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionMusicRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionMusicRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionLibrary.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionLibrary.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionGallery.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionGallery.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BrightonPavilionBanquetRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BrightonPavilionBanquetRoom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:33:52 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_St-1.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/St-1.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseGothicRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseGothicRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseCrimsonDrawingRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseCrimsonDrawingRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_HamptonCourtPalceQuadrangle.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/HamptonCourtPalceQuadrangle.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_St.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/St.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:35:32 PM
Some of them aren't interior pics but I posted them here anyway.  I hope that is okay. 

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceDrawingRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceDrawingRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceQueensRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceQueensRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleRoyalChapel.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleRoyalChapel.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:37:51 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleUpperWardExterior.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleUpperWardExterior.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceSecondDrawingRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceSecondDrawingRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_HamptonCourtPalaceCartoonGallery.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/HamptonCourtPalaceCartoonGallery.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_FrogmoreHouseJapanRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/FrogmoreHouseJapanRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceSaloon.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceSaloon.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:38:50 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceQueensBreakfeastRoo.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceQueensBreakfeastRoo.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseFrontExterior.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseFrontExterior.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseGrandStaircase.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseGrandStaircase.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleSt.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleSt.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleQueenAnnesBedroom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleQueenAnnesBedroom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:40:31 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_WindsorCastleBallRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/WindsorCastleBallRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_KensingtonPalaceQueensRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/KensingtonPalaceQueensRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_KensingtonPalaceKingsRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/KensingtonPalaceKingsRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_KensingtonPalaceCupolaRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/KensingtonPalaceCupolaRoom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_HamptonCourtPalaceQueenMarysBedroom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/HamptonCourtPalaceQueenMarysBedroom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseThroneRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseThroneRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseGoldenDrawingRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseGoldenDrawingRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseCircularRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseCircularRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseBlueVelvetRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseBlueVelvetRoom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseBlueVelvetCloset.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseBlueVelvetCloset.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_CarltonHouseAnteRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/CarltonHouseAnteRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceQueensBreakfastRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceQueensBreakfastRoom.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceKingsLibrary.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceKingsLibrary.jpg)

(http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/th_BuckinghamPalaceBlueVelvetRoom.jpg) (http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/DukeofNewJersey/BuckinghamPalaceBlueVelvetRoom.jpg)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 05:46:16 PM
I really hope I posted those correctly!

I know some of the pictures are common but I posted them anyway and I am sorry that some of the pics are small.  I couldn't find larger ones.  Also, I hope it is okay that I used thumnails instead of directly posting the pictures. 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on May 29, 2007, 06:40:53 PM
I realized that I haven't labeled the pictures.  I am sorry about that, and I guess the only way the names of pictures can be viewed is when you click on a picture and it opens up in a new browser, part of the web address is the name of the room.  Please excuse me if the name of the room is incorrect or if I called it the wrong thing (ex. a saloon should be a drawing room). 

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on May 29, 2007, 10:20:53 PM
I realized that I haven't labeled the pictures.  I am sorry about that, and I guess the only way the names of pictures can be viewed is when you click on a picture and it opens up in a new browser, part of the web address is the name of the room.  Please excuse me if the name of the room is incorrect or if I called it the wrong thing (ex. a saloon should be a drawing room). 

-Duke of NJ

I believe these plates can be found in Pyne's "Royal Residences" published in in the early 1800s.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on July 02, 2007, 06:36:21 PM
.

somewhere I read  that Prince Albert's writing room later became King Edward's bathroom.



i think you could be correct.   i seem to remember reading the same thing (somewhere).


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on July 03, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
A friend of mine showed me a postcard of the King's bedroom (the room where PA died) as it was (and maybe still is) at the time of KG VI, well it has been COMPLETELY changed!
Hadn't I known it was the King's bedroom, I would not have been able to recognize it.

Has anyone ever seen a pic of that room? Can you post it here?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: dmitri on July 08, 2007, 08:53:13 AM
The Royal Mausoleum at Frogmore of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert is quite special. I recommend a visit. The marble effigies are simply superb.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 09, 2007, 12:29:19 AM
They do have specific opening periods...Just like Buck House.Even the grand houses of the National Trust closed in Winter.  ???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on August 24, 2007, 06:14:51 PM
somewhere I read  that Prince Albert's writing room later became King Edward's bathroom.


i realize the topic has moved-on from the "bathroom location" question, but i'd forgotten to mention a piece of Windsor Interior Trivia.... there was, during Victoria's residency, a wc in the little connecting hallway between the Red Room & the Dressing Room.   

perhaps it's still there....although, i rather doubt it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/windsors_royal_wc-1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/Unfiled%20Photos/windsors_royal_wc-1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 26, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Focus on W.C. !  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on August 30, 2007, 05:36:32 AM
Dear friends, I hope someone is in possesion of some photos of Queen Victoria's bed and dressing room in Victoria Tower, Windsor Castle. I don't dare to hope that the rooms are recent and colour, but still...
Can someone make me happy?  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 30, 2007, 07:48:46 PM
I think it might exisit in the Royal Collections.  :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on February 25, 2008, 08:09:28 PM
.

click on image for larger version


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windsorgrndflbw.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windsorgrndflbw.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windsor1stflcolor.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windsor1stflcolor.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windgrndA.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windgrndA.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/wind1stA.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/wind1stA.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windgrndB.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/windgrndB.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/wind1stB.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/skinheadbrian/My%20Photos/wind1stB.jpg)

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 26, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
Thank you so very much for those plans of Windsor!!! :)  How I wish I could get them bigger and labeled - but am grateful none the less.

And wow !  After looking only at the enormous scale of the state rooms until now, one forgets just how HUGE the castle is -hundreds and hundreds of rooms on the floor below alone!  And of course the upper floors of the towers add more still!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Windsor on February 27, 2008, 07:56:11 AM
One has to wonder, since the Queen considers Windsor her real home if she knows all the rooms like we that live in a tiny fraction of that number do!  OR perhaps she only spends time in a select few and rarely if ever visits most of the others.  I like to imagine her wandering through the "house" from basement to attic checking on the condition of things, but I realize this probably does not happen  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: eejm on February 27, 2008, 05:47:22 PM
One has to wonder, since the Queen considers Windsor her real home if she knows all the rooms like we that live in a tiny fraction of that number do!  OR perhaps she only spends time in a select few and rarely if ever visits most of the others.  I like to imagine her wandering through the "house" from basement to attic checking on the condition of things, but I realize this probably does not happen  ;)

Forget her rarely visiting certain rooms - I'll bet there are rooms she's never even been in at Windsor!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 04, 2008, 03:30:49 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/78411004.jpg)

The Chinese room, Buckingham Palace, between the chinese dining room and the Indian room. I wonder if it still exists.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 04, 2008, 03:34:20 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/78411005.jpg)

Indian room

The chimney pieces are very similar.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 04, 2008, 03:45:39 AM
Gleb, thank you so much for those interior views.

It seems odd to me, but the ceiling of the Indian room appears a lot lower than that in the Chinese Room and I wonder if anyone knows why!

I assume these rooms are in the East range and correspond with the Centre (Balcony) Room which also has that Oriental theme as adapted in part from the Pavillion at Brighton.

I understand that the Queen had the Centre Room restored at some stage, so it would be nice to think that the Indian and Chinese Rooms were also. Am I right to believe that the Chinese Dining Room is still in situ so to speak?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on March 04, 2008, 06:14:08 AM
Gleb, thank you so much for those interior views.

It seems odd to me, but the ceiling of the Indian room appears a lot lower than that in the Chinese Room and I wonder if anyone knows why!

I assume these rooms are in the East range and correspond with the Centre (Balcony) Room which also has that Oriental theme as adapted in part from the Pavillion at Brighton.

I understand that the Queen had the Centre Room restored at some stage, so it would be nice to think that the Indian and Chinese Rooms were also. Am I right to believe that the Chinese Dining Room is still in situ so to speak?


my guess would be that the Indian rRoom has a coved (i think that's the correct term) cieling...or whatever it's called, i think there's more cieling out of frame.


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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 04, 2008, 10:08:03 AM

I assume these rooms are in the East range and correspond with the Centre (Balcony) Room which also has that Oriental theme as adapted in part from the Pavillion at Brighton.

These two rooms are in the north wing, in fact they are virtualy part of the King's app. The chinese dining room has three windows on the eastern facade and one window on the northern facade. There are two more oriental rooms nearby: the balcony room and the yellow room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 04, 2008, 01:29:08 PM

my guess would be that the Indian rRoom has a coved (i think that's the correct term) cieling...or whatever it's called, i think there's more cieling out of frame.


I think so, too.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 04, 2008, 01:46:21 PM
I think the photo of the Inidan room is deceptive. The white cornice makes ithe ceiling appear lower from that angle and we can only just make out the base of the light, and it could be quite a large light fixture!

What year where those photos taken I wonder? :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 05, 2008, 01:51:53 AM
OK thank you for clarifying my query about the ceiling - it probably is coved as you say!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 05, 2008, 09:27:26 AM
I recently saw a programme / video which showed a man inside BP, heading up to the Duke of York's office.  It appeared that he entered the palace via the Privy Purse Door (the one at the North end of the East Range below the Chineese Dining Room), and took an elevator up several floors before exiting into a wide hallway / corridor.

What are on the various floors of the North Range? Obviously the King's and Queen's (today the Queen and Duke's) private apartments are on the "first" (State) floor.  Floor plans for this area are posted on earlier pages of this thread (which incidentally show the location of the three rooms being discussed above - the Chinese and Indian rooms).

And I believe that the apartments and offices of Andrew and Edward (and Anne's offices) are on the floor directly above (the 2nd floor which I've read is called the Nursury or Chamber floor). 

But what rooms are on the ground floor of this range?  And aren't there also 2 or more Mezannine floors tucked between the principal levels, and perhaps an attic and/or basement?  What are these floors used for?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Norbert on March 07, 2008, 05:53:51 PM
those ghastly interiors  with Queen Charlotte's ivory furniture and a tiger skin...thank god Queen Mary redecorated it all.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on March 09, 2008, 08:20:46 AM
those ghastly interiors  with Queen Charlotte's ivory furniture and a tiger skin...thank god Queen Mary redecorated it all.

Are you sure? What a pity, I loved those rooms, especially the Indian room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 03, 2008, 03:18:26 PM
I am new here, but have complete floor plans (ground and first floor) of Buckingham Palace (labeled) if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 03, 2008, 03:21:33 PM
In addition to those, I also have the complete set of Windsor Plans (ground and first floor) similiar to the ones shown above, they also include the complete lower and middle wards - great stuff
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Windsor on August 04, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
Architect,

PLEASE post any plans you have!  I know they would be greatly appreciated by many.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2008, 12:29:52 PM
I wonder if Kew Palace is opened after renovations ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 04, 2008, 01:18:58 PM
Any chance someone could walk me through how to insert the jpg image I have of the floor plans, I'd be glad to do it.  It will be in pieces though.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 04, 2008, 01:22:03 PM
Kew is open to the public, they have a good website: http://www.kew.org/visitor/priceskew.html
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Mari on August 04, 2008, 06:38:18 PM
See if this helps on posting images: http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=771.0
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 04, 2008, 07:15:22 PM
Thanks for the info.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 04, 2008, 09:14:35 PM
I am new here, but have complete floor plans (ground and first floor) of Buckingham Palace (labeled) if anyone is interested.

Absolutely!  Very interested!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2008, 01:13:58 PM
Me too !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:27:53 PM
(http://[IMG]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-WestFront.jpg)[/img]
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:29:40 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-WestFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:30:23 PM
Ok, well that worked.  Here goes guys, hope you enjoy!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:31:20 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-SouthFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:32:10 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-NorthFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:32:52 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-EastFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:35:47 PM
You will need to blow them up to see everything.  I think these are fairly accurate plans of the Palace.  I have lots of books on the place (some fairly old) and from my one visit, they appear to be accurate.  I also have the ground floor, will upload them later.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2008, 05:49:58 PM
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:52:01 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Ground-EastFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Ground-NorthFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:53:36 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Ground-SouthFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:54:20 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Ground-WestFront.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 05, 2008, 05:54:55 PM
Let me know what you think
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 05, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
Impressive...I am still going through it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2008, 06:15:03 PM
Wow, thanks Architect, pictures are extra!
Thanks very much

Plese Can you post larger versions of this photos, becouse we can't see the names of the room's?
Pleaseeeeeee

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 06, 2008, 12:03:45 PM
Wow, thanks Architect, pictures are extra!
Thanks very much

Plese Can you post larger versions of this photos, becouse we can't see the names of the room's?
Pleaseeeeeee



Yes PLEASE :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2008, 03:43:32 PM
Indeed that would be helpful.  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: jmp1967 on August 06, 2008, 07:11:38 PM
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Lets see if this works better.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: jmp1967 on August 06, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
I do think some of the rooms names have changed, for example I think, based on the information I have, what is labeled as the Tapestry Room is actually the Queen's Audience Room, and I think the Audience Room may be the Regency Room.  I'll have to redo the other portions of the plan and will attach those later.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 06, 2008, 07:26:17 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal.jpg)
 
Here is the entire First Floor Plan, not sure if the room names will come in clear, if not, I'll do them in sections similiar to above.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 06, 2008, 07:43:59 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal-NECorner.jpg)
 
Sorry for the multiple posts.  I was trying to possibly get the entire plan attached with the room names visible, but it didn't work.  So, I'll have to do each section like this one.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 06, 2008, 07:47:46 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal-WestFron.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 06, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal-WestFron.jpg)
Central Block - West Front
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 06, 2008, 08:13:44 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal-Ballroom.jpg)
South West Corner - Ballroom
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 07, 2008, 03:08:30 AM
Thank you for posting architect! I was wondering about the date of the plans. But seeing "Miss Knollys sitting room" it must be Edward VII's reign?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 07, 2008, 07:00:57 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-Principal-SECorner.jpg)
South East Corner
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 07, 2008, 07:04:41 AM
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East Front
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 07, 2008, 07:08:42 AM
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East Front + Portion of North Front
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 07, 2008, 07:10:26 AM
Eddie Boy UK,
Who was Miss Knolly and what was her relationship to the King?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 07, 2008, 07:12:26 AM
I tried my best with the plans, hopefully everyone can read the room names, if not, just ask, and I'll clarify.  I'll upload the ground floor later.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 07, 2008, 08:22:24 AM
Eddie Boy UK,
Who was Miss Knolly and what was her relationship to the King?

Charlotte Knollys (from an illustrious family) was Lady of the Bedchamber to Queen Alexandra and also her private secretary.

She was presented with a gold medal from Alexandra for saving her during a fire at Sandringham. She died in 1930.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 07, 2008, 01:44:46 PM
She also followed her mistress on foreign trips I heard...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 07, 2008, 08:14:16 PM
Architect thanks very much for larger photos of Buckingham palace plans.
Please can you post larger version of the picture "BuckinghamPalace-Principal-WestFron", becouse other parts of the palace plan are very bigger, only that picture is a smaller.

Thanks very very very much
And again thanks you
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 08, 2008, 03:12:47 AM
"Princesses corridor" is an interesting description! Also, it's difficult to read but is one of the rooms near the Kings suite labelled "Sitting room Princess of Battenburg"?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Martyn on August 08, 2008, 08:18:35 AM
"Princesses corridor" is an interesting description! Also, it's difficult to read but is one of the rooms near the Kings suite labelled "Sitting room Princess of Battenburg"?

Looks like it.

Beatrice's, presumably?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 08, 2008, 08:22:00 AM
Yes but interesting she maintained a sitting room into Edward VII's reign?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
I think it was gradually changed. Although I don't think Edward VII liked Buckingham Palace much...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 08, 2008, 09:22:24 AM
First of all, Architect, thank you immensely for these floor plabs!  They are wonderful to those of us so fascinated with the royal residences! I'll be studying them quite a bit!  My first questions are - I'm curious about a few rooms in the private apartments.

The suite of 4 rooms west of the Queen's Sitting Room in the north wing.  The adjacent room to the Sitting Room is here called the Audience Room.  I know that the current Audience Room is actually the large one on the West Front.  What are these four rooms currently used for?  I'm sure one of them is the private dining room (so famously shown with the tupperware in those Mirror photos).  But which one?  I recall reading somewhere that the DoE had hung a bird feeder on the "balcony" off their dining room, which makes me think it might be the "Sheraton Room" in the corner (since that one appears to have a balcony), but perhaps it's one of the others??

Also, what is the room between the (now) Audience Chamber and the Royal Closet used for?  It would make sense that this is a waiting room for ambassadors and such who arrive to present credentials to the Queen - does it have a name today?

Oh, the South Range - first floor.  I see the Household Corridor extending from the State Rooms to the East Range - with a number of small rooms off it, but I can't read the labels.  Are those bedrooms or offices for certain staff positions?  And what are the rooms clusetered around the Yellow Room in the southeast corner of this floor? 

More questions are sure to come when I've studied these further!!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2008, 09:24:27 AM
I do wonder how the decorations differ from QV to her son...any major changes ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 08, 2008, 01:20:35 PM


Also, what is the room between the (now) Audience Chamber and the Royal Closet used for?  It would make sense that this is a waiting room for ambassadors and such who arrive to present credentials to the Queen - does it have a name today?



As far as I know in the time of Queen Mary it was the Chinese chippendale room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 08, 2008, 01:26:39 PM


The suite of 4 rooms west of the Queen's Sitting Room in the north wing.  The adjacent room to the Sitting Room is here called the Audience Room.  I know that the current Audience Room is actually the large one on the West Front.  What are these four rooms currently used for?  I'm sure one of them is the private dining room (so famously shown with the tupperware in those Mirror photos).  But which one?  I recall reading somewhere that the DoE had hung a bird feeder on the "balcony" off their dining room, which makes me think it might be the "Sheraton Room" in the corner (since that one appears to have a balcony), but perhaps it's one of the others??



The dining room is the one the labelled "Audience room", next to the study-sitting room. In any case every room has a balcony, it is very long, from one corner to the other.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 08, 2008, 01:29:57 PM
To my opinion this plan dates ante 1914 and post 1910.

Ante 1913 becouse it still has the old victorian facade, and post 1910, becouse the King's dressing room had  different (smaller) window in the time of E VII,
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 08, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
I thought it was pre 1910 as Miss Knollys has a room....
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 08, 2008, 01:52:41 PM
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Hopefully this will be a better version of the West Front State Apartments.  I'm not sure why some of the plans came in smaller than others.

ChrisinUSA:
I think that the room labeled Audience Room may in fact be what is currently referred to as the Regency Room - a fairly simple room that the Queen uses as a Sitting Room.  I've seen many photos of the Queen in the Regency Room, the photos show (2) windows on the garden side and a single door centered at one end - this is the only room in that area that seems to fit that description on the floor plan (although Gleb mentioned he thought is was the Dining Room - so I'm not 100% sure).  As far as the other rooms west of these, I'm not sure what their actual use is.  You mentioned a famous photo of the Private Dining Room with tupperware - I've never seen it, is it possible to post it?  I do believe Gleb is correct that the balcony runs along most of the north facade.  Once again, I'm not what the room to the left of Audience Room is used for.  I thought the Queen always received Ambassadors with their credentials on the ground floor in the 1844 Room, not the First Floor, although you could be correct in saying it is a waiting room for others that the Queen receives in Audience.  I've attached what will hopefully be even larger versions of the other area you mentioned (SE corner and Household Corridor).  They are a series of offices and staff bedrooms.
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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 08, 2008, 02:00:09 PM
The plans above are actually two separate plans (images) but the images ran together, here they are as separate images - The floor plans of Buckingham Palace are the copyright property of someone else being used here without their permission. Users are strongly reminded that they may not just cut and paste material from another website without first obtaining permission from the copyright owner.  This is Forum Policy.
 

Gleb, thanks for the response, you do have quite a few books.  I'll have to look some up and see what the covers look like.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 08, 2008, 02:09:09 PM
One more thing, the plans do have a date of September 1910, its handwritten, so not sure how accurate it is.  You can see that someone has penciled in on the one enlarged SE Corner plan, the newer facade with columns.  Does anyone know when the Bathrooms within the King/Queens private apartments were built - the ones with the circular ends that project from the main part of the building?  I have an early exterior photograph of that side which doesn't show them.  Also the photos of the QV Dressing Rooms earlier in this thread show two individual windows along the exterior wall within vs. the triple windows that are shown on these plans.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 08, 2008, 02:34:56 PM


ChrisinUSA:
I think that the room labeled Audience Room may in fact be what is currently referred to as the Regency Room - a fairly simple room that the Queen uses as a Sitting Room.  I've seen many photos of the Queen in the Regency Room, the photos show (2) windows on the garden side and a single door centered at one end - this is the only room in that area that seems to fit that description on the floor plan (although Gleb mentioned he thought is was the Dining Room - so I'm not 100% sure).  As far as the other rooms west of these, I'm not sure what their actual use is.  You mentioned a famous photo of the Private Dining Room with tupperware - I've never seen it, is it possible to post it?  I do believe Gleb is correct that the balcony runs along most of the north facade. 


The current Queen's audience room (where she meets the prime minster) is the room labelled Tapestry room, I'm 100% sure. It was called Tapestry room in the times of QA and QM, in fact there were tapestries, there is photo which  shows them. Now the room is quite green, while it was gilted
It also had a differnt chimney piece.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 08, 2008, 02:39:12 PM
  Does anyone know when the Bathrooms within the King/Queens private apartments were built - the ones with the circular ends that project from the main part of the building?  I have an early exterior photograph of that side which doesn't show them.  Also the photos of the QV Dressing Rooms earlier in this thread show two individual windows along the exterior wall within vs. the triple windows that are shown on these plans.

It is highly probable they were built for E VII as QV had a different dressing room and PA had a different one too
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 08, 2008, 02:50:35 PM
Many thanks Architect.  The photo with the tupperware that I referenced isn't in my possession - it was published in the Mirror (I believe) back a year or two ago when one of their reporters managed to elude shoddy background checks and got himself a job as a royal footman.  The Mirror then published a range of photographs that he took while "in service" - including the Queen's breakfast table moments before HM and the DoE arrived to eat (with the food in tupperware containers, a very old radio on the table, etc.).  Other photos included the hallway outside the Belgian Suite, the Belgian Suite bedroom, the Duke of York's sitting room, etc.  I'd suggest you search the web for "Mirror reporter - footman" to try to find the pics - but alas, I just did and can't seem to find them any longer.

Again, thanks for the detailed plans of the palace's lesser known areas - I've been hunting for that kind of info for years - helps to understand the royal household operation when you have a feel for their working space!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 08, 2008, 02:55:09 PM
And I think we're both correct - the Queen seems to receive ambassadors in either ground floor semi-state rooms, OR in her first floor Audience Chamber.  I noticed that from pictures of such audiences shown on the Royal Insight website (the offshoot of the British Monarchy website).  The Audience Room indeed has green walls, while the other room she often uses - perhaps the 1844 Room as you said - has cream colored walls.

I actually wrote to Royal Insight (they have a "MailBox" section where you can ask a question each month) - inquiring which rooms the Queen actually uses for these audiences, and why the use of multiple ones.  To date, they haven't published my question or its answer.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 09:59:24 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/BreakfastroomwheretheQueenandPrince.jpg)
The Queen private dinning room with table set for breakfast
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/BreakfastroomwheretheQueenandPrince.jpg)
The Queen private dinning room at Buckingham palace, with table set for breakfast!

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Michael HR on August 09, 2008, 10:20:38 AM
Rather a simple layout. Pity about the lamp!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 10:21:27 AM
The Queen Private Audience room at first floor at Buckingham palace. On the Architect plans it is the "Tapestry room". I'm 100% sure. In this room the Queen receives Prime Minister every week.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/ba-i2-b-c-20_TheQueensreceptionroom.jpg)
Picture of the today Audience room

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/20051109_bg.jpg)
The Queen at her Audience room

I found sam information about this room:
"The Queen's Audience Room is where the Queen receives the Prime Minister for a weekly audience. It is on the first floor on the northwest corner of the Palace, beyond the Queen's Private Apartments. The Audience Room has pale duck blue walls with white-painted moldings, ceiling and windows. The curtains are pale beige silk. There is a piano, and furniture includes sofas and chairs that are covered in yellow silk. Paintings in the room include two Canalettos and two full-length portraits by Thomas Gainsborough."
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/BreakfastroomwheretheQueenandPrince.jpg)
The Queen private dinning room at Buckingham palace, with table set for breakfast!


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 10:28:09 AM
Architect when you will post the plan of the Buckingham palace ground floor?
Please when you post that photos, post larger versions.
Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Michael HR on August 09, 2008, 10:31:19 AM
I was wondering are the any paintings of the Russian Imperial Family in Buckingham Palace? Just a thought
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 09, 2008, 10:32:24 AM


The dining room is the one the labelled "Audience room", next to the study-sitting room. In any case every room has a balcony, it is very long, from one corner to the other.
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Gleb, based on these pictures, the dining room could certainly be the room labeled Audience Chamber on the plan (look for the placement of a door in the center of the room rather than off to one end) but the picture makes the room seem rather small.  Could it not be the smaller room next door?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
I think that the today Queen private dinning room is "Audience room" at the Architect plan.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 09, 2008, 01:38:52 PM
I think QV and EVII changed the usage during their reigns...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 09, 2008, 02:08:05 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/BreakfastroomwheretheQueenandPrince.jpg)
The Queen private dinning room with table set for breakfast

Do you also have the other photos of that tabloid?
If yes, could you please post them? :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 09, 2008, 02:33:07 PM
I founded this photo's on Internet, I don't have a original mirror newspaper photos.
I founded and this picture of the Belgian Suite at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/palaceMIRROR201103_450x350.jpg)
Belgian Suite
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 11, 2008, 12:00:12 PM
Is that really part of the Belgian Suite, it looks so out of character?  I will upload the ground floor plans in the next day or so.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 11, 2008, 12:52:43 PM
Architect yes it is the Belgian Suite (bedroom),  I'm 100% sure. I will show you were is bedroom today, when you post that part of the palace ground floor (I'm 100% sure where is this room at Buckingham palace, and I can found them on the plan).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 11, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
I founded also this photos of the Earl and Countess of Wessex bedroom at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/TheWessexesbedroom.jpg)
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Post by: Eddie_uk on August 11, 2008, 01:28:39 PM
I am shocked at the furniture! They could have chosen beautiful, and much finer, antiques and would be so much more fitting!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 11, 2008, 01:51:49 PM
I completely agree, you know there have to be storage rooms fulls of nice furniture that they could have chosen.  Does anyone know where the Regency Room is located.  The Monarchy website has posted several photos of the Queen in this room (a rather simple but nice Sitting Room).  I thought based on the photos and plans it could have been the one adjacent to the Queens Sitting Room with the large curved bay, but most people here say that that adjacent room is the Private Dining Room. 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 11, 2008, 02:19:18 PM
The Regency room is located on the ground floor in the north-west corner of the Buckingham palace.
Architect I use your plans of the ground floor for the showing where the Regency Room is located. I'm sure for that.

The floor plans of Buckingham Palace have been removed as they were copyrighted material being used without permission.  Users are strongly reminded that they may not just copy material off the internet without permission of the owner of the copyright.

On Architect plan you can see where the regeny Room is located.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 11, 2008, 02:26:25 PM
Nikola is right, that blue room is the bedroom of the Belgian Suite.  It is the smallest of the rooms in that suite.  

I remember when the Mirror originally posted all those pictures - and the comments about the Wessex' shockingly ugly bedroom.  I can't get over that this is a royal bedroom in Buckingham Palace!  Light oak wall shelving units - good lord!

Perhaps it was an attempt to have a "modern" rather than traditional antique filled bedroom?  Even so, all efforts failed the moment they chose those shelves, in my opinion!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 11, 2008, 02:57:53 PM
Can someone label that blue room in the Belgian Suite for me or tell me which room it is based on these plans.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 11, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
Does anyone have the book Inside Buckingham Palace by Andrew Morton?  He has in the book photos of two different bedrooms in the Belgian Suite, both very different from one another and certainly not looking like that blue one shown above.  He could have things wrong in this book as well, but there are a lot of things different about the photos in this book (cornice, chandelier, etc.) and the picture above.  Does anyone know if there is more than one bedroom in the Belgian Suite?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 11, 2008, 04:21:35 PM
I do not have that book Architect, but I can share what I know of the Belgian Suite.  I think the composition of the suite (which rooms are or are not part of the suite) is open to debate, but if I'm not mistaken, when a foreign Head of State is in residence, the suite includes all garden front rooms north of the Bow Room and south of the swimming pool (in the plan labeled Tennis Court).

The 1844 Room is sometimes used for welcome lunches for the visiting head of state.  It is likely made part of the suite set aside for a foreign head of state (perhaps as their reception room or dining room).  The bedroom shown in the picture above is labeled as the Orleans Room in your plan.  This room, and the larger one to the left (south) were each used as bedrooms in past times when couples used separate bedrooms.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 13, 2008, 10:09:57 AM
Does anyone have the book Inside Buckingham Palace by Andrew Morton?  He has in the book photos of two different bedrooms in the Belgian Suite, both very different from one another and certainly not looking like that blue one shown above.  He could have things wrong in this book as well, but there are a lot of things different about the photos in this book (cornice, chandelier, etc.) and the picture above.  Does anyone know if there is more than one bedroom in the Belgian Suite?

The photo of a bedroom in that book is not labelled correctly, that is a bedroom on the frst floor, east wing
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 13, 2008, 11:35:52 AM
The Belgian Suite have only one bedroom. I'm sure. And it is this room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/palaceMIRROR201103_450x350.jpg)


I founded and this photo which shows The Guest's bedroom on the first floor in the East Wing:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Image156546.jpg)


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 13, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
Please I have a one wish.
Does any of you can post images of The Ministers' Staircase at Buckingham palace. I founded only this small photo on the Internet, but I couldn't found larger photo:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/The_Ministers_Staircase.jpg)


Please if any of you have a any photos of The Ministers' Staircase PLEASE post them. I think that this photos are from Buckingham palace Guide Book, but I didn't have that book, please if any have some images I will be happy if you will scan them and post here. It is a very important for me :)
I will be very very happy.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 13, 2008, 02:24:02 PM
Nikola,

Thanks for the clarification on the Belgian Suite Bedroom.  That photo that you posted from the Andrew Morton book was what I was talking about, he must have is labeled wrong.  In any case, in my mind that is a much nicer guest room in terms of the decoration and that blue room in the Belgian Suite.  They should have fired their decorator based on that satin bed spread and bad carpets alone.   I really can't image them allowing anyone to stay there!!

Here is the only picture I have of the Minister's Stair.  Its from an old book, sorry about the quality.  This photo shows the stain glass window that has since been removed.  Does anyone know why?
 
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/BuckinghamPalace-MinistersStairs.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 13, 2008, 02:30:44 PM
I recall reading that window was a memorial to Eddy, Duke of Clarence. I don't know if anyone can confirm that?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 13, 2008, 10:04:41 PM
Architect thanks so much for picture of The Minister Staircase :) The picture is fantastic, thanks again.
Do you have some information about the Minister Staircase in that book?

I hope that someone will post the picture of the The Minister Staircase how they look like today, during the present Queen's reign.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 14, 2008, 06:27:31 AM
Nikola, unfortunately, there was no additional information. 
 
It is my understanding though, that the British Monarchy website is being updated and could possibly be adding an interactive plan with expanded photos.  I have gotten several emails from them, one was a survey regarding use and organization of the site, etc. Part of the survey asked whether an interactive plan would be something desireable.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: EnricdeG on August 14, 2008, 07:05:22 AM
WOOOOW!!!
What a wonderful floorplans! Definetly the most detailed that I've ever seen! Thank you very much! :)
Unluckily the fist posts are unavailable.

I'm waiting impatiently your new uploads! :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on August 14, 2008, 01:41:45 PM
Nikola, unfortunately, there was no additional information. 
 
It is my understanding though, that the British Monarchy website is being updated and could possibly be adding an interactive plan with expanded photos.  I have gotten several emails from them, one was a survey regarding use and organization of the site, etc. Part of the survey asked whether an interactive plan would be something desireable.

I also received a "website content" survey and follow-up emails from the British monarchy website.  I'm excited to see what they finally come up with in terms of redesign.  Clearly, given my fascination with royal palaces and residences, I recommended they greatly expand on that topic!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on August 15, 2008, 09:43:03 AM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/AmericanpoliticianWendellWillkiedur.jpg)
American politician Wendell Willkie ( 1892 - 1944) during a meeting with King George VI in the former Blue Drawing room at Windsor Castle
04 Feb 1941
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/wi-hi5_d-f-10a.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 15, 2008, 01:55:34 PM
Is this the former King's Bedroom?
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on August 15, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
Yes, this room formed part of George IV's private suite in the central area of the east front of the castle and originally combined the functions of both bedroom and bathroom. The arrangement of the room was not deemed a success and George IV moved his bed to the adjacent room. The bath was moved elsewhere at the same time. After the death of Prince Albert in this room in 1861, the room was preserved by Queen Victoria as a shrine to his memory, but with the accession of Edward VII, the room was stripped out and all traces of its previous use were obliterated. And as I know, a bed which belonged originally to King George IV, has been installed at Brighton’s Royal Pavilion in 2006.
http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/events/news.asp (http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/events/news.asp)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on August 16, 2008, 09:43:13 AM
this couldn't be the blue room  where Prince Albert died  the fireplace and and window are in the wrong place   check out the layout 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
Couldn't be sure as they do change the decoration...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 17, 2008, 06:05:45 PM
I also noticed that the fireplace is on the wrong side of the room.  The original ceiling and cornice were quite spectacular as well, I find it hard to believe that it would have been ripped out and replaced with this.  Other than the fireplace being on the wrong wall, the rest of the configuration seems to support that this could be the Blue Room.  The alcove at the end would have been replaced with the bookcase.  Any other thoughts from anyone?
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Post by: gleb on August 18, 2008, 04:56:36 AM
That is the blue room, I posted the image you are talking about. probably the photo was flipped horizontally.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 18, 2008, 04:59:32 AM
Please I have a one wish.

Please if any of you have a any photos of The Ministers' Staircase PLEASE post them. I think that this photos are from Buckingham palace Guide Book, but I didn't have that book, please if any have some images I will be happy if you will scan them and post here. It is a very important for me :)
I will be very very happy.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 18, 2008, 05:00:02 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba_i_b-g-10.jpg)
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Post by: gleb on August 18, 2008, 05:00:55 AM
the old audience room when it was the tapestry room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 18, 2008, 05:01:32 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba-hi2_c-f-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 18, 2008, 07:03:46 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/WindsorCastle-BlueDrawingRoom-wi-hi.jpg)
 
This photo of the Blue Room would make more sense. 
 
Can anyone tell me where the Tapestry Room or Audience Room would be located in the Castle? 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 18, 2008, 08:16:23 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba_i_b-g-10.jpg)

Gleb thanks so much for this fantastic picture of the Minister's Staircase.

Thanks very very much :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on August 18, 2008, 10:02:11 AM
that photo turned around does  make more sense   the doors look like they are in the same position but they poke out now? did you notice that? from looking at the old photo of the blue room  they changed everything even the fire place mantel but the ceiling looks to low to me it should be higher  but i don't know  um where did you find this photo at?   if it is the old blue room  its a shame  they did that to it    I am still not convinced though its the same room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Luc on August 18, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
Could anyone post a photo of the Table of the Great Commanders in Buckingham Palace ?? I've never seen one....
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 18, 2008, 12:08:07 PM
I think that the photo is indeed the Blue Drawing Room.  I have very detailed floor plans of Windsor and the plans clearly show the projections for this door and a matching one on the other side.  It also shows two large alcoves, the one at the end is now the bookcase as shown in the photo.  It is a shame that all the very elaborate decoration was stripped out.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on August 18, 2008, 01:33:45 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba-hi2_c-f-10.jpg)

This room, at the north-east corner of Buckingham Palace, had originally been used as one of the drawing rooms, but in 1953 it became Queen's Audience  Room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on August 19, 2008, 06:57:19 AM
ARCHITECT   is there anyway i could see your windsor castle  floor plans?  what other plans do you have?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on August 19, 2008, 07:11:28 AM
I have the Buckingham Palace floor plans, Ground and First Floor.  I've posted the First Floor and still need to post the Ground Floor.  Unfortunately, I spent an obscene amount of money to get the Windsor Castle plans and not sure that I want to just put those out there.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 19, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
Unfortunately, I spent an obscene amount of money to get the Windsor Castle plans and not sure that I want to just put those out there.

Oh why's that? We would love to see and you would be doing a great service. Plus it's good karma for you! :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 19, 2008, 07:31:34 PM
I founded also this picture which shows one more The Guest's bedroom on the first floor in the East Wing, Enjoy:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Image1553.jpg)

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on August 19, 2008, 09:35:45 PM
 Architect ... Please?  : ) 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on August 31, 2008, 05:27:43 AM
I founded also this picture which shows one more The Guest's bedroom on the first floor in the East Wing, Enjoy:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Image1553.jpg)



I wonder where exactly in the east wing
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RJ on September 01, 2008, 05:58:19 AM
Hi, I'm a new member from Holland. Does anyone have a picture of the Household Breakfast Room (next to the 1855 room) at Buckingham Palace?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 06, 2008, 10:41:48 AM
Architect when you will pose a larger photos of the Buckingham palace Ground Floor?

Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 06, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
Becouse on the your preview's plans we couldn't see the names of the rooms.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 06, 2008, 11:29:43 AM
Hi, I'm a new member from Holland. Does anyone have a picture of the Household Breakfast Room (next to the 1855 room) at Buckingham Palace?
Thanks!


RJ i founded some photos of the Household Breakfast Room at Buckingham palace.

Enjoy

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/evenmoreroyal93-lowerdiningroom.jpg)
Household Breakfast Room during reign of the Queen Victoria or King Edvard VII


Photos of today Household Breakfast Room at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/07bookaward_003.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/07bookaward_002.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/07bookaward_001.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Book-Award02_BuckinghamPalace.jpg)


I think that today, this room is use as a cinema.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 06, 2008, 12:36:21 PM
Can anyone tell me where the Billiard Room is located at the Buckingham palace?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RJ on September 08, 2008, 05:32:37 AM

RJ i founded some photos of the Household Breakfast Room at Buckingham palace.

Enjoy

I think that today, this room is use as a cinema.



Thanks very much!!
RJ
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on September 08, 2008, 07:42:37 AM
Nikola,

I will try and get those plans uploaded soon.  Sorry for the delay.  The ground floor plans show the location of the Billiard Room, it is off the Grand Entrance.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 25, 2008, 08:40:40 AM
Just checking in to remind Architect I and all the other floor plan junkies of the forum are still eagerly awaiting your further postings!   :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 26, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
I founded this fantastic photos which shows the part of the Principal Corridor at the East wing at Buckingham palace. Direct from them the Royal family enters at the Centre room.

On the wall you can see the large portraits of the Queen Alexandra and king Edward VII.

This is the first time that i seen how this corridor look like :)

Enjoy

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/uk_palace1.jpg)
The part of the Corridor at at the East wing

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/uk_palace6.jpg)
The part of the Corridor at at the East wing

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/uk_palace.jpg)
Chandeliers on the ceiling

The floor plans of Buckingham Palace are the copyright property of someone else being used here without their permission. Users are strongly reminded that they may not just cut and paste material from another website without first obtaining permission from the copyright owner.  This is Forum Policy.
 

On the Architect plan you can see where is located this part of the Principal Corridor
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 26, 2008, 06:55:59 PM
The Principal Corridor (the Royal Visitors' Gallery) at the East Wing at Buckingham palace, during reign of the Queen Victoria:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Buckinghampalace_theRoyalVisitorsGa.jpg)
Photo dated: 1870 – 1900
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 30, 2008, 06:00:23 PM
Please, Does any of you have a information from GuideBook about Ballroom and Grand Staircase at Buckingham palace? Does any of you can scean that's informations and post there?

Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on September 30, 2008, 07:01:25 PM
Princess Elizabeth (present Queen) and prince Phillip on their wedding day (1947), at the Principal Corridor at the East Wing at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Wedding1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 02, 2008, 12:19:37 PM
Where is located this corridor at Buckingham palace?

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/63817_10832923_122_1044lo.jpg)
Diplomatic reception, november 2005
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 03, 2008, 10:07:07 AM
Sorry to be off subject.

Is that a new tiara on Camilla head with the Queen Mother's pearl and diamond necklace (part of the marriage jewels of Queen Alexandra) ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Stefan22 on October 03, 2008, 03:26:34 PM
Sorry to be off subject.

Is that a new tiara on Camilla head with the Queen Mother's pearl and diamond necklace (part of the marriage jewels of Queen Alexandra) ?

No it is a Shand Family tiara. She wore it already for her first Wedding and her daughter Laura wore it also on her Wedding Day. The necklace looks like a turquiose necklace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 03, 2008, 07:23:49 PM
I founded this Buckingham palace plan, which shows where is located (circa) private apartments of the Royal Family.

Enjoy

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/mapaprivatnihapartmanakraljevskepor.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on October 03, 2008, 09:06:39 PM
I founded this Buckingham palace plan, which shows where is located (circa) private apartments of the Royal Family.

Enjoy

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/mapaprivatnihapartmanakraljevskepor.jpg)

where did you find this?????
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 04, 2008, 03:03:47 AM
Where is located this corridor at Buckingham palace?

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/63817_10832923_122_1044lo.jpg)
Diplomatic reception, november 2005


It should be the King's corridor or at least the Household corridor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 04, 2008, 07:14:33 AM
Gleb this plan sent me one my friend. I don't know where he founded this photo-plan.

I founded this Buckingham palace plan, which shows where is located (circa) private apartments of the Royal Family.

Enjoy

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/mapaprivatnihapartmanakraljevskepor.jpg)

where did you find this?????
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 05, 2008, 10:10:25 AM
Where is located this corridor at Buckingham palace?

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/63817_10832923_122_1044lo.jpg)
Diplomatic reception, november 2005


It should be the King's corridor or at least the Household corridor.


No, it is surely the Household corridor and the POW and his wife are moving towards the east gallery.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 05, 2008, 01:24:10 PM
Yes Gleb

I also thinks that it is the Household corridor.
I thinks that this two picture shows the Household corridor, and on the end of this corridor you can see the East Gallery:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1.jpg)
the Household corridor

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2.jpg)
the Household corridor
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
Nice view of the Corridor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 06, 2008, 07:30:19 AM
The floor plans came from a book by Andrew Morton - "Inside Buckingham Palace" and don't appear to be entirely accurate, but still interesting.  I haven't forgotten about the ground floor plans of the Palace.  Will try and make an effort to get those on this week.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 06, 2008, 11:19:45 AM
Thanks !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 06, 2008, 11:24:49 AM
Thanks for the photos of the Household gallery :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 06, 2008, 02:43:48 PM
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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 06, 2008, 02:46:54 PM
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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 06, 2008, 02:51:38 PM
Hope you all enjoy the plans.  I know some of them are a little small, but right click and save them, you should be able to enlarge them.  Looking forward to everyone's thoughts.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 06, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Here's one more.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 06, 2008, 04:32:36 PM
Thanks !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 06, 2008, 05:25:21 PM
Architect thanks very much for this fantastic plans :)

It's will be very nice if you could posting plans of Windsor castle, which you mention.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 07, 2008, 07:23:48 AM
Sorry, Windsor still isn't up for grabs, but enjoy the Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
What about Clarence House or Marlbrough House ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 07, 2008, 04:51:21 PM
Those would be nice, does anyone have them?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
Yes that would be nice indeed. I once heard that Somerset House's original plans included a Catholic chapel to be used by both Catholic Queens (Henrietta Maria of France and Catherine of Braganza).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on October 07, 2008, 07:28:07 PM
Fantastic photos of the Principal Gorridor (or the Royal Visitors' Gallery), on the first floor at East Wing at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Eastwing.jpg)
I use the Architect plan to shows where is located parts of the Principal Corridor which you will seen on the next photos


ENJOY



PART I OF THE PRINCIPAL CORRIDOR AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-1.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/4.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/12.jpg)
Portrait of the King George V (Signed and dated: Richard Jack. 1926; Oil on canvas; 240 x 145.8 cm) is located in this part of the Corridor

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/11.jpg)
Portrait of the Queen Mary (Signed and dated: Richard Jack. 1927; Oil on canvas; 240.7 x 146.7 cm)  is located in this part of the Corridor

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/22.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/21.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/140906_2006.jpg)
Prince Andrew at Principal Corridor




PART II OF THE PRINCIPAL CORRIDOR AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/5.jpg)
You can see the door of the Centre room

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/8.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/9.jpg)
On this photo (right) you can see the door of the Centre room

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/6.jpg)
Portrait of the Queen Alexandra (Signed and dated: Sir Luke Fildes. 1905; Oil on canvas; 265.3 x 170.6 cm) is located in this part of the Corridor

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Portrait of the King Edward VII (Signed and dated: Sir Luke Fildes. 1902; Oil on canvas; 265.7 x 170.1 cm) is located in this part of the Corridor




PART III OF THE PRINCIPAL CORRIDOR AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE:

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Part of the furniture which located at this Part of the Principal Corridor at the East wing at Buckingham palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2008, 01:09:02 PM
Who was that bearded guy who looks like George Lucas ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 08, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
Who was that bearded guy who looks like George Lucas ?

Rolf Harris.  He was there to paint a portrait of The Queen.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2008, 07:31:22 PM
Is the portait done ? Was that part of aTV special ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Leuchtenberg on October 08, 2008, 07:59:27 PM
Is the portait done ? Was that part of aTV special ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpkuV_DESs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyWtteH1We8
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on October 08, 2008, 10:29:42 PM
Hi,

Thank you very much, Nikola, for posting those interesting photos of Buckingham Palace, with information as to the Principal Corridor...
If you have any more or can find some on the internet, please do post them;  very enlightening!!

Larry
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Post by: Michael HR on October 09, 2008, 04:08:20 AM
are there any photos of the Chapel that was hit by a bomb in WW2
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2008, 12:06:26 PM
Before or after ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Windsor on October 09, 2008, 01:11:32 PM
While it appears that the public rooms and corridors are well maintained, I wonder if there are rooms within BP that are not so well kept, even in disrepair?  Seeing how the exterior is falling apart, one would think that there must be neglected interior spaces as well.  Does anyone know for sure?  Also, are there are pictures of the not-so-public rooms, including servants quarters, etc?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2008, 12:58:48 PM
Don't believe so...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Michael HR on October 10, 2008, 01:28:19 PM
before
Before or after ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
Did not see any....
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on October 15, 2008, 11:42:17 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2033308/Duke-of-Edinburgh-allows-look-at-Sandringham.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2033308/Duke-of-Edinburgh-allows-look-at-Sandringham.html)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2008, 04:30:13 PM
The library looks nice !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Mari on October 16, 2008, 01:35:38 AM
If they publish any others out of Country Life let us know! :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on October 16, 2008, 07:38:47 AM
Here are some photos of the Principal Corridor

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/buck_palace/bp-pc-02.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/buck_palace/bp-pc-01.jpg)

and the Grand Staircase ceiling

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/buck_palace/bp-st-2.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 16, 2008, 11:42:46 AM
Love the ceiling shot !
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Post by: Nikola on October 17, 2008, 10:22:55 AM
Again,
I ask that, does any of you have information from GuideBook about Ballroom and Grand Staircase at Buckingham palace? Please if any of you have them, please scean that's pages and post here or sending me on my e-mail. Please...
Please it is a very important for me.

Thanks

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2008, 06:25:04 PM
That would be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on October 25, 2008, 08:55:58 AM
Does anyone have any picture of the Sunninghill Park house built for Andrew.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 25, 2008, 12:10:51 PM
You mean South York (after Southfork from Dallas).  ;D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 28, 2008, 08:49:02 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/SunninghillPark-SunninghillDMc0302_.jpg)

 
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/SunninghillPark-article-0-015FE9350.jpg)


(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/jmpdesign/SunninghillPark-fergiehouseDM_468x1.jpg)
 
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Post by: TampaBay on October 28, 2008, 01:44:51 PM
Thanks Architect!

The house does not seem to be anything special and does not appear large enough for a Royal residence to me.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on October 29, 2008, 07:19:27 AM
I agree.  Considering the number of homes available to the Royals, I'm surprised they built this.  It really isn't much to look at.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2008, 12:22:06 PM
They had wanted to coin their own taste in it.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on October 30, 2008, 07:29:57 AM
I think the problem is that the South York looks totally out of place where it is sitting.  The "McMansion Mausoleum" does not look like an English country house.  If this house was sitting on 500 acres in the middle of a Texas cattle ranch or horse farm it would not look as strange.

I applaud the York's for wanting to something different.  However, if you are designing against type you must do something on the extreme polar opposite such as a 100% modern mansion or something Italianate or maybe even Indian/Oriental.

A Texas ranch house in the English country side missed the mark complately.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2008, 05:58:02 PM
Who owns South York now ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 03, 2008, 12:06:25 PM
Quote
What is the correct term for the interior design and decor "scheme" of Buckingham Palace?

TampaBay


I think it would depend upon which room you were in at the time.  Isn't there a Chippendale Room and a Chinese Room?  (I hope there is a Biedermeier Room in there somewhere.)  
I would probably call it 'mishmash', not in a derogatory way at all, but just because there are so many design periods that would be represented.  
Good question Tampa.  I dunno.  

It certainly depends on which room one is in. However, the interiors of Buckingham Palace can be broadly seen as, in regard to the State Apartments at least, an example of Late Regency design. This is a somewhat vague term but it essentially encompasses the Late Antique, Empire and Neoclassical styles that were prevalent during the early nineteenth century. George IV spearheaded the development of Eclectism (the 'mishmash' of different styles) by juxtaposing elements of different stylistic periods to create a harmonious whole. In the White Drawing Room, for instance, one can detect elements of the Baroque, Rococo and Neoclassical within a single space; George IV collected furniture and objets d'arts that represented the best examples of their period, regardless of the fact that they may not have been in the latest fashion - he placed these together in a way that could never have been thought of in the more sterile Empire interiors of France or other European countries.

There is certainly no Biedermeier Room at Buckingham Palace; the style had very little influence in Britain. The Chinese rooms are situated along the eastern range of the palace and are furnished with fixtures and fittings from Brighton Pavilion, the extravagant Indo-Chinese residence built for George IV c.1819-22.
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Post by: Mari on November 03, 2008, 08:16:53 PM
I must say it sounds "very nice"...isn't eclectic decorating an out growth of this....A Family would have collected wonderful pieces over the centuries and kept them mixed tastefully! Not on this level of course!  :)  Have photos already been posted?
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Post by: Nikola on November 04, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
Today I post some interesting photos which shows some parts of the Second floor (of East wing) at Buckingham palace.

Enjoy

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Post by: Nikola on November 04, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
The Second floor at Buckingham palace East wing.

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Lift with the “Prince Stairs” (you can see very very small part of the stairs on the right side of the lift)

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Lift with the “Prince Stairs” (you can see very very small part of the stairs on the right side of the lift)

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Prince Andrew shows the door of the private apartments of the prince Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex (also you can see very small part of the “Prince Stairs” between lift and door of the prince Edward apartments)

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Prince Andrew shows the door of the private apartments of the prince Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex (also you can see very small part of the “Prince Stairs” between lift and door of the prince Edward apartments)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/5-1.jpg)
Prince Andrew shows the door of the private apartments of the prince Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex (also you can see very small part of the “Prince Stairs” between lift and door of the prince Edward apartments)

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(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/7-1.jpg)
Prince Andrew afore the door of the prince Edward apartments, and you can see the part of the “Prince Stairs”.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/8-1.jpg)
On the picture you can see:
Left: Lift and part of the “Prince Stairs”
Straight: the door of the private apartments of the prince Edward
Right: doorway to the Private Corridor
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 04, 2008, 06:21:52 PM
The Private Corridor at the Second floor of East wing at Buckingham palace.
Private Corridor is located above Principal Corridor (which is on the first floor of East wing at Buckingham palace)

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First part of the Private Corridor, which shows doorway from the lift and the “Prince Stairs”.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/10-1.jpg)
First part of the Private Corridor at second floor of East wing at Buckingham palace.

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First part of the Private Corridor at second floor of East wing at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/12-1.jpg)
First part of the Private Corridor at second floor of East wing at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/13-1.jpg)
On the right side of the picture you can see all windows (6) of this first part of the Private Corridor.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/14.jpg)
The small part of the Private Corridor, which is located on the center of the Second floor of East Wing at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/15.jpg)
Second part of the Private Corridor at second floor of East wing at Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/18.jpg)
Prince Andrew shows the little bear, which stand afore his apartments.

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The little bear, which stand afore prince Andrew apartments.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 04, 2008, 06:31:30 PM
Prince Andrew's bedroom at Buckingham palace, on the Second floor of East Wing at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/PrinceAndrewsroom-completewithteddy.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 05, 2008, 04:21:20 AM
THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting these pics! :)
 Where did you find them?

Thanks again
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Norbert on November 05, 2008, 11:46:39 AM
It is certainly the dullest royal palace in Europe and looks like a Northern Town Hall. But if the British sovereign had been able to realise the ambitious schemes to build a vast  palace in Whitehall or Hyde Park and out do the Bourbons ...we would probably be a republic by now.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on November 05, 2008, 12:49:16 PM

It is certainly the dullest royal palace in Europe and looks like a Northern Town Hall.


If you want to see a great palace, go see the Grimaldi Place in Monaco.  Very small but it is everything ones expects a royal palace to look like.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on November 05, 2008, 01:53:35 PM
It is certainly the dullest royal palace in Europe and looks like a Northern Town Hall. But if the British sovereign had been able to realise the ambitious schemes to build a vast  palace in Whitehall or Hyde Park and out do the Bourbons ...we would probably be a republic by now.

Instead, I think it is one of the most beautiful palaces in Europe, not only a Palace but even a Home. Caserta or the Royal Palace of Madrid are impressive but too much luxurious, one could not live there.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Yes more like a museum.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 08, 2008, 05:05:44 AM
It is certainly the dullest royal palace in Europe and looks like a Northern Town Hall. But if the British sovereign had been able to realise the ambitious schemes to build a vast  palace in Whitehall or Hyde Park and out do the Bourbons ...we would probably be a republic by now.

I agree to some extent; Buckingham Palace has dignity but no beauty. I often feel sad that Charles I and George IV were never able to realise their ambitions for building vast royal residences at Whitehall or Hyde Park, but, as you imply, their absolutist scale may have angered republicans and acted as catalysts for revolution. I have spent much of this year studying Inigo Jones's designs for Whitehall Palace and it would have been a stunning building - larger even than the Palace of Westminster (House of Parliament).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Learning on November 08, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
Any photos or drawings of the proposed Whitehall Palace or Hyde Park Palace?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 08, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
It would be in the Royal Archievs if they still existed.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 10, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
My Kensington Palace guidebook contains plans for at least one version of a proposed Hyde Park palace, as well as one proposed plan to rebuild Kensington into a much larger palace.  Both plans are unlabeled but show the general scale of the projects.

The Hyde Park one sat directly in the center of the park, with diagnoal avenues criss-crossing the park toward the palace from all directions.

The proposed Kensington rebuild retained the King's Gallery wing virtually as it is today (except extended at both ends in larger pavilian wings) and an identical wing on the north side (I assume those would have been the Queen's apartments).  In between (on the site of the present Cupola Room, Presence Chamber and King's Drawing Room),were a suite of large reception halls.  To the left / west of the main structure (where Clock Court and the private apartments are presently) would have been an elaborate stable block around a grand entry courtyard.

I'll try to locate that book and scan the pictures!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 11, 2008, 10:12:38 AM
Any photos or drawings of the proposed Whitehall Palace or Hyde Park Palace?

There are several surviving drawings for the proposed Whitehall Palace by Inigo Jones; these can be found reproduced in John Summerson's book Inigo Jones (New Haven and London, 2000), pp. 122-131. The drawings that survive have been divided into two groups; Margaret Whinney - who has completed several studies on Jones - argues that the earlier 'preparatory' scheme (c.1638) is by Jones but the later scheme (c.1649) is a reinterpretation of the original plan, presumably by Webb. The palace would have extended for 800ft along the western bank of the Thames and over 1,000ft towards St James's Park further west.
In regard to the 'Hyde Park Palace', I'm entirely sure what is meant by this. Kensington Palace does not technically stand within Hyde Park, but within Kensignton Gardens at its western edge. Improvements were intended at Kensington Palace, supposedly by John Vanbrugh as early as 1715 and by William Kent in the 1720s. Kent did remodel parts of Kensington Palace, in particular the Privy Chamber, Cupola Room and Drawing Room.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on November 11, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
Wow, this is an enjoyable thread. I regret not discovering it sooner since I don't usually meander into areas of the forum such as this one. I think from what I've seen, my favorite is Sandringham.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2008, 12:32:17 PM
The palace I would love to see in more detail was Marlbrough House, where Bertie & Alix spent their years togather.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 11, 2008, 01:32:27 PM
In regard to the 'Hyde Park Palace', I'm entirely sure what is meant by this. Kensington Palace does not technically stand within Hyde Park, but within Kensignton Gardens at its western edge. Improvements were intended at Kensington Palace, supposedly by John Vanbrugh as early as 1715 and by William Kent in the 1720s. Kent did remodel parts of Kensington Palace, in particular the Privy Chamber, Cupola Room and Drawing Room.

I believe we're referring to two different centuries.  The Whitehall Palace plans were in the early 18th century, whilst the Kensington / Hyde Park options were in the early 19th century.

According to the Kensington Palace guidebook I mentioned earlier, there were two separate plans considered to provide the monarch with a suitable London palace - one being the extension or rebuilding of Kensington Palace (inside Kensington Gardens of course), and the other being the construction of an entirely new palace set in the center of Hyde Park.  In the end, as we know, the Prince Regent (George IV) decided NOT to proceed with either, but instead rebuild Buckingham House as his London palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2008, 02:20:26 PM
Although most of the early furniture came from Carlton House...another of the Regent's house.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 11, 2008, 07:41:23 PM
Does any of you know the time (right year) when changed pain on the walls of the Picture Gallery (from green to today brown) and Throne Room (from white to today red) at Buckingham palace?

The walls in the Throne Room was white during Queen’s Coronation (1953) and princess Margaret wedding (1960) then the walls painted in the red color (today).  Also the walls in the Picture gallery was green (1960th) then the walls was painted in the today brown color.

Does any of you know the time when this walls changed their color? 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2008, 11:10:51 AM
Thanks for the info...I did not know those facts before...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 12, 2008, 02:36:13 PM
Does any of you know the time (right year) when changed pain on the walls of the Picture Gallery (from green to today brown) and Throne Room (from white to today red) at Buckingham palace?

The walls in the Throne Room was white during Queen’s Coronation (1953) and princess Margaret wedding (1960) then the walls painted in the red color (today).  Also the walls in the Picture gallery was green (1960th) then the walls was painted in the today brown color.

Does any of you know the time when this walls changed their color? 


The Throne Room at Buckingham Palace, as far as I know from my research, has been hung with red damask since the room was first designed by Nash for George IV, c.1828. The damask has been replaced on several occasions since then, but I can find no evidence of it ever having been white at the time of HM Queen Elizabeth II's coronation.
The Picture Gallery, by contrast, has seen far greater changes over the period of nearly two centuries. When Nash first designed the gallery the ceiling comprised a central skylight comprising a series of square skylights running the length of the space flanked on either side by a series of small glazed domes set within vaults. From the earliest watercolour of the room I can find (1843) the room is painted a warm yellow/beige with the architectural detailing picked out in white. By 1853, the Picture Gallery had been repainted; the walls were a pale mauve and the ceiling received touches of dark blue and deep yellow.

In 1914 (when the palace received its new facade) the ceiling of the gallery was replaced due to leakage and poor lighting of the pictures. Frank Baines designed a shallow barrel-vaulted ceiling, which although rather dull architecturally, does light the pictures rather well. The original Nash doorcases were also removed and replaced with slightly less exciting examples executed in dark wood. At this point, the walls were hung with an olive green damask woven by Warners. The walls are now hung with a pale pink damask (not that I approve), which I assume was carried out during the 1930s under the aegis of Queen Mary.

Sorry for rambling, hope this helps.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 12, 2008, 02:42:03 PM
Does any of you know the time (right year) when changed pain on the walls of the Picture Gallery (from green to today brown) and Throne Room (from white to today red) at Buckingham palace?

The walls in the Throne Room was white during Queen’s Coronation (1953) and princess Margaret wedding (1960) then the walls painted in the red color (today).  Also the walls in the Picture gallery was green (1960th) then the walls was painted in the today brown color.

Does any of you know the time when this walls changed their color? 


I unfortunately do not know the years - but I can tell you it was before 1981, because the Throne Room was read and the Picture Gallery that light brown / pinkish color during Charles and Diana's wedding.  Oh, and isn't paint.  The State Room walls are hung in silk panels or silk wallpaper of a particular color, which makes redecorating an extremely expensive endeavour.  
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 12, 2008, 02:57:16 PM
In regard to the 'Hyde Park Palace', I'm entirely sure what is meant by this. Ken sington Palace does not technically stand within Hyde Park, but within Kensignton Gardens at its western edge. Improvements were intended at Ken sington Palace, supposedly by John Vanbrugh as early as 1715 and by William Kent in the 1720s. Kent did remodel parts of Ken sington Palace, in particular the Privy Chamber, Cupola Room and Drawing Room.

I believe we're referring to two different centuries.  The Whitehall Palace plans were in the early 18Th century, whilst the Ken sington / Hyde Park options were in the early 19Th century.

According to the Ken sington Palace guidebook I mentioned earlier, there were two separate plans considered to provide the monarch with a suitable London palace - one being the extension or rebuilding of Ken sington Palace (inside Ken sington Gardens of course), and the other being the construction of an entirely new palace set in the center of Hyde Park.  In the end, as we know, the Prince Regent (George IV) decided NOT to proceed with either, but instead rebuild Buckingham House as his London palace.


I think we have got our wires crossed a bit. The Whitehall Plans of the early 18th century were actually the same as those of the 1630s. The Neapolitan movement at this time meant that the work of Inigo Jones was thought highly important and there had been numerous plans to revive his designs for Whitehall. However, the idea was only flirted with and, in truth, the king never had enough money to execute such a vast project.

I now know what you mean by Hyde Park Palace. There were two designs prepared by Sir John Sane for a palace in Hyde Park - a lolling building in the most chaste neoclassical style - and a slightly smaller palace loosely based on Blenheim Palace (not a royal palace but built with royal funds for the 1st Duke of Marlborough in commemoration of his victory of Louis XIV in 1704). Both designs were prepared for George IV by 1827. I think it is such a shame that he did not get to build either design; I think Ken sington Palace is an architecturally poor building and Buckingham Palace lacks the refinement of Sir John Sonar's work.

Carlton House was George Irv's greatest creation. It was given to him when he reached his majority in 1783 and as Prince of Wales, Prince Regent (1811-20) and King George IV (1820-30) he continued to improve the house and its collections. Horace Walpole called it the 'most perfect palace in Europe' and the only surviving record we have (watercolours by Payne painted in 1816-19) confirm this.
Go ogle it - it's amazing.

Which guide book did you read by the way?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 12, 2008, 03:11:30 PM
*Soane
*Google
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 12, 2008, 03:28:34 PM
*The Neo-Palladian movement.
(lolling) *low-lying.

That bloody spell-check thing. It can't even spell Palladian, lol.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
Yes Sir John Soane. I visited his museum in London. Cool....
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 12, 2008, 08:14:05 PM
One of the best undiscovered sights of London. I was there last week looking at their Robert Adam drawings; they should be catalogued online within the next few months...more useless information, but helpful.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 12, 2008, 09:36:41 PM
Does any of you know the time (right year) when changed pain on the walls of the Picture Gallery (from green to today brown) and Throne Room (from white to today red) at Buckingham palace?

The walls in the Throne Room was white during Queen’s Coronation (1953) and princess Margaret wedding (1960) then the walls painted in the red color (today).  Also the walls in the Picture gallery was green (1960th) then the walls was painted in the today brown color.

Does any of you know the time when this walls changed their color? 


The Throne Room at Buckingham Palace, as far as I know from my research, has been hung with red damask since the room was first designed by Nash for George IV, c.1828. The damask has been replaced on several occasions since then, but I can find no evidence of it ever having been white at the time of HM Queen Elizabeth II's coronation.
The Picture Gallery, by contrast, has seen far greater changes over the period of nearly two centuries. When Nash first designed the gallery the ceiling comprised a central skylight comprising a series of square skylights running the length of the space flanked on either side by a series of small glazed domes set within vaults. From the earliest watercolour of the room I can find (1843) the room is painted a warm yellow/beige with the architectural detailing picked out in white. By 1853, the Picture Gallery had been repainted; the walls were a pale mauve and the ceiling received touches of dark blue and deep yellow.

In 1914 (when the palace received its new facade) the ceiling of the gallery was replaced due to leakage and poor lighting of the pictures. Frank Baines designed a shallow barrel-vaulted ceiling, which although rather dull architecturally, does light the pictures rather well. The original Nash doorcases were also removed and replaced with slightly less exciting examples executed in dark wood. At this point, the walls were hung with an olive green damask woven by Warners. The walls are now hung with a pale pink damask (not that I approve), which I assume was carried out during the 1930s under the aegis of Queen Mary.

Sorry for rambling, hope this helps.

Soane thanks very much for your informations.

I found this photos which shows the Picture Gallery with green damask during the reign of the Queen Elizabeth II:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/nik2.jpg)
Th Royal Family in the Picture Gallery (with green damask) at Buckingham palace, november 1971

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/nik1.jpg)
The Queen in the Picture Gallery (with green damask ) at Buckingham palace, 1966

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/nik3.jpg)
Today Picture Gallery (with light brown damask) at Buckingham palace
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 13, 2008, 05:59:03 AM
Thanks Nikola, I've never seen those pictures before. I have to say that the Picture Gallery looks a lot better in green than it does in pink. I don't understand why it was changed. I'll have to send a letter to Queen Liz and find out, lol.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on November 13, 2008, 08:17:05 AM
The Throne Room at Buckingham Palace was indeed painted white at one time.  As early as 1937 during the coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth (the current Queen's parents) the walls were definitely white as well as during the time of Queen Elizabeth II's wedding.  I am not sure when the silk was re-installed after these events, but I do know from photos that it was changed again sometime between Prince Charles and Diana's wedding and Prince Andrew and Fergies wedding.
You can google any of these events and see photos of the Throne Room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 13, 2008, 04:36:55 PM
When The Picture Gallery at Buckingham palace had the green damask on the walls, also the sofas and chairs at Gallery was with the same green damask. Today sofas are with white damask, and chairs are brown.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/PrincessMargaretineveningdress_1951.jpg)
Princess Margaret at Picture Gallery (1951), when the Gallery walls had the green damask. The princess sit on the sofa, which also have the same green damask as the walls.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/nik3.jpg)
Today the same sofas have a white damask.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 14, 2008, 11:21:10 AM
Thanks for showing the photos ! The colour really showed the changes.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 16, 2008, 07:44:52 PM
The Throne Room at Buckingham Palace, as far as I know from my research, has been hung with red damask since the room was first designed by Nash for George IV, c.1828. The damask has been replaced on several occasions since then, but I can find no evidence of it ever having been white at the time of HM Queen Elizabeth II's coronation.
The Picture Gallery, by contrast, has seen far greater changes over the period of nearly two centuries. When Nash first designed the gallery the ceiling comprised a central skylight comprising a series of square skylights running the length of the space flanked on either side by a series of small glazed domes set within vaults. From the earliest watercolour of the room I can find (1843) the room is painted a warm yellow/beige with the architectural detailing picked out in white. By 1853, the Picture Gallery had been repainted; the walls were a pale mauve and the ceiling received touches of dark blue and deep yellow.

In 1914 (when the palace received its new facade) the ceiling of the gallery was replaced due to leakage and poor lighting of the pictures. Frank Baines designed a shallow barrel-vaulted ceiling, which although rather dull architecturally, does light the pictures rather well. The original Nash doorcases were also removed and replaced with slightly less exciting examples executed in dark wood. At this point, the walls were hung with an olive green damask woven by Warners. The walls are now hung with a pale pink damask (not that I approve), which I assume was carried out during the 1930s under the aegis of Queen Mary.

Sorry for rambling, hope this helps.

My understanding is the doorcases were not actually removed.  They were simply encased by the ugly wooden doorcases.  Hopefully at some stage in the future the picture gallery can be restored to its original Nash design which is much more in keeping with the rest of the palace.  The picture gallery was re-painted for Prince Albert 1851, in the colours that you describe.  Nash's original design didn't actually include the original square skylights, they were an addition by Blore in order to provide enough light for the room.  The current picture gallery wall hangings were put in place in 1964.

The throne room walls were painted a gray colour in 1928.  It not very clear why Queen Mary did this, as this had no historical basis as it had been red since the palace was completed (although as the silks were not chosen until the mid 1830's, if I recall correctly, there is no guarantee that this is the colour that Nash would have chosen).  The current hangings are actually a different design to what was there prior to 1928.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 16, 2008, 08:40:23 PM
Thanks Nikola, I've never seen those pictures before. I have to say that the Picture Gallery looks a lot better in green than it does in pink. I don't understand why it was changed. I'll have to send a letter to Queen Liz and find out, lol.

It was changed in 1964 because the silk had already way outlived its lifetime.  In 1946 they turned the silk over because the green had faded so badly and it was re-hung in the opposite direction so the side that had not seen the light was now displayed.  Now the question of why the colour was changed, well that's really the monarch's choice, although I agree the green was nicer than the current colour.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2008, 12:19:57 PM
Yes...silk does fade with time.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 17, 2008, 02:38:03 PM
My understanding is the doorcases were not actually removed.  They were simply encased by the ugly wooden doorcases.  Hopefully at some stage in the future the picture gallery can be restored to its original Nash design which is much more in keeping with the rest of the palace.  The picture gallery was re-painted for Prince Albert 1851, in the colours that you describe.  Nash's original design didn't actually include the original square skylights, they were an addition by Blore in order to provide enough light for the room.  The current picture gallery wall hangings were put in place in 1964.

The throne room walls were painted a gray colour in 1928.  It not very clear why Queen Mary did this, as this had no historical basis as it had been red since the palace was completed (although as the silks were not chosen until the mid 1830's, if I recall correctly, there is no guarantee that this is the colour that Nash would have chosen).  The current hangings are actually a different design to what was there prior to 1928.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
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Thank you Stephan for your information about the history of the Picture Gallery and Throne Room. Now that I've studied the form of the doorcases more closely, I can see that they would conceivably encase the originals, although at the expense of some of the sculptural detail on the upper registers. It was interesting to read that Nash's original design did not include the central lights; it must certainly have been a rather dark gallery - a good indication of where Nash's sympathies lay: effect before practicality. That said, it would be wonderful to restore Nash's and Blore's celing and perhaps the colour scheme. Do you know of any earlier colour scheme for the Picture Gallery?

Any restoration would certainly place the Gallery in better relation to the other staterooms at Buckingham Palace but it must be remembered that the palace has seen a great number of changes since its completion under Edward Blore for William IV and Queen Victoria, which I won't go into fully here. Suffice to say, under the instruction of Prince Albert - Queen Victoria's consort - several of the palace's principal rooms, including the Picture Gallery and Grand Staircase, were redecorated to satisfy Albert's love for the Italian High Renaissance by Ludwig Gruner. Fortunately, this was expressed largely through changing the colour schemes of rooms rather than through architectural remodelling. By 1848, the Grand Staircase had received elaborate geometrical ploychrome wall decoration that was - in my opinion - entirely at odds with Nash's crisp, heavy classicism. Later, Edward VII commissioned C. H. Bessant and F. Verity to remodel the palace after his accession to the throne in 1901 (carried out from 1902-07). Nash's detailing was removed in many instances and Gruner's polychromy was swept away on a sea of white and gold. The redecoration, although carried out with great care and attention to detail, gives the impression more of a contemporary, smart London hotel and seems somewhat at odds with Nash's more daring, robust classical detailing. The point I'm making is that although many of us would love to restore certain parts of the palace to their original appearance they would always be in contrast to other parts. I think the solution would just be to take each room and each element of that room back to its most beautiful, complimentary and tasteful past form, whilst maintaining decorative coherence.
In particular replacing those awful doorcases and that dreadful ceiling in the Picture Gallery! It's good to have a rant.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2008, 02:52:53 PM
Some changesmay be for the better while some may not be.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 17, 2008, 09:15:37 PM
Thank you Stephan for your information about the history of the Picture Gallery and Throne Room. Now that I've studied the form of the doorcases more closely, I can see that they would conceivably encase the originals, although at the expense of some of the sculptural detail on the upper registers. It was interesting to read that Nash's original design did not include the central lights; it must certainly have been a rather dark gallery - a good indication of where Nash's sympathies lay: effect before practicality. That said, it would be wonderful to restore Nash's and Blore's celing and perhaps the colour scheme. Do you know of any earlier colour scheme for the Picture Gallery?

Any restoration would certainly place the Gallery in better relation to the other staterooms at Buckingham Palace but it must be remembered that the palace has seen a great number of changes since its completion under Edward Blore for William IV and Queen Victoria, which I won't go into fully here. Suffice to say, under the instruction of Prince Albert - Queen Victoria's consort - several of the palace's principal rooms, including the Picture Gallery and Grand Staircase, were redecorated to satisfy Albert's love for the Italian High Renaissance by Ludwig Gruner. Fortunately, this was expressed largely through changing the colour schemes of rooms rather than through architectural remodelling. By 1848, the Grand Staircase had received elaborate geometrical ploychrome wall decoration that was - in my opinion - entirely at odds with Nash's crisp, heavy classicism. Later, Edward VII commissioned C. H. Bessant and F. Verity to remodel the palace after his accession to the throne in 1901 (carried out from 1902-07). Nash's detailing was removed in many instances and Gruner's polychromy was swept away on a sea of white and gold. The redecoration, although carried out with great care and attention to detail, gives the impression more of a contemporary, smart London hotel and seems somewhat at odds with Nash's more daring, robust classical detailing. The point I'm making is that although many of us would love to restore certain parts of the palace to their original appearance they would always be in contrast to other parts. I think the solution would just be to take each room and each element of that room back to its most beautiful, complimentary and tasteful past form, whilst maintaining decorative coherence.
In particular replacing those awful doorcases and that dreadful ceiling in the Picture Gallery! It's good to have a rant.

Yes, I think that the top of the doorcases would have to have been removed.  I'm not quite sure what happened to them, but there would be enough photographs to restore them.  The other thing they would have to restore, which is often overlooked is the parquet floor.  Again, it is incomprehensible, but they removed the very attractive parquet floor that was originally there and replaced it with a completely boring floor., I'm not exactly certain of what the original colours of the picture gallery were.  The difficulty with the colour schemes across the whole palace was the fact that Nash was dismissed before any silks were up or even decided on.  What was in place was the scagliola, although this had deteriorated sufficiently that much of it was already removed during the reign of William IV before decorating decisions had been made.

Hopefully during the changeover between reigns, after the queen dies, there will be the opportunity to do some work in the palace.  The big problem remains the cost and the fact that in real terms, the money available from the taxpayer for maintenance of the palaces is continuing to fall.  Virtually all of the state apartments at Buckingham Palace desperately need regilding, it's very sad to compare them to the newly gilded rooms at Windsor Castle which give an impression of how they would have looked during the reign of George IV.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 17, 2008, 09:24:40 PM
Thank you Stephan for your information about the history of the Picture Gallery and Throne Room. Now that I've studied the form of the doorcases more closely, I can see that they would conceivably encase the originals, although at the expense of some of the sculptural detail on the upper registers. It was interesting to read that Nash's original design did not include the central lights; it must certainly have been a rather dark gallery - a good indication of where Nash's sympathies lay: effect before practicality. That said, it would be wonderful to restore Nash's and Blore's celing and perhaps the colour scheme. Do you know of any earlier colour scheme for the Picture Gallery?

Any restoration would certainly place the Gallery in better relation to the other staterooms at Buckingham Palace but it must be remembered that the palace has seen a great number of changes since its completion under Edward Blore for William IV and Queen Victoria, which I won't go into fully here. Suffice to say, under the instruction of Prince Albert - Queen Victoria's consort - several of the palace's principal rooms, including the Picture Gallery and Grand Staircase, were redecorated to satisfy Albert's love for the Italian High Renaissance by Ludwig Gruner. Fortunately, this was expressed largely through changing the colour schemes of rooms rather than through architectural remodelling. By 1848, the Grand Staircase had received elaborate geometrical ploychrome wall decoration that was - in my opinion - entirely at odds with Nash's crisp, heavy classicism. Later, Edward VII commissioned C. H. Bessant and F. Verity to remodel the palace after his accession to the throne in 1901 (carried out from 1902-07). Nash's detailing was removed in many instances and Gruner's polychromy was swept away on a sea of white and gold. The redecoration, although carried out with great care and attention to detail, gives the impression more of a contemporary, smart London hotel and seems somewhat at odds with Nash's more daring, robust classical detailing. The point I'm making is that although many of us would love to restore certain parts of the palace to their original appearance they would always be in contrast to other parts. I think the solution would just be to take each room and each element of that room back to its most beautiful, complimentary and tasteful past form, whilst maintaining decorative coherence.
In particular replacing those awful doorcases and that dreadful ceiling in the Picture Gallery! It's good to have a rant.



Dear Soane, thanks very much for your informations. It's really help.

How I can see you have a very fantastic informations about Buckingham palace interior and I must ask you for small help.
Can you tell me more (full) informations (history, decorations, arrange, furniture... ) about Grand Staircase, East gallery (especially about this room, because I don't know nothing about history, decorations...) and Ballroom?

Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2008, 09:43:32 AM
I was wondering if there is a book that tells everything on Buck House ?  8)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on November 19, 2008, 05:46:03 PM
Can you tell me more (full) informations (history, decorations, arrange, furniture... ) about Grand Staircase, East gallery (especially about this room, because I don't know nothing about history, decorations...) and Ballroom?

The Grand Hall is the same dimmensions as the hall of the old Buckingham House, with the same low proportions stressing that the piano nobile is above, similar to an Italian Renaissance palace.  Nash created dramatic spatial effects by lowering the floor of the central area.  The floor, and Corinthian columns, are all of white Carrara marble.  The chimney at the north end of the hall, opposite the Grand Staircase, is among the finest in the palace, supplied in 1829 by Joseph Theakston.   Originally the walls were lined with coloured scagliola; the present white and gold scheme was executed in 1902 for Edward VII.

The Grand Staircase rises to a landing, then either continues upward in a straight flight to the East Gallery, or returns on two flights to the Guard Room.  This staircase is lit by engraved glass skylights by Wainwright and Brothers, the patterns are reminiscent of white damask tablecloths.  The staircase, of Carrara marble, replaces James Wyatt's imperial staircase (built for George III in 1801).  It features a gilt bronze ballustrate embellished with Grecian foliage.  It was made in 1828-1830 and cost 3,900 pounds at that time.  At the top are mahogany framed, mirror-plated doors designed by Nash and used throughout the state rooms.  The walls of the staircase were also originally covered with polychorme panels of scaglioa, but are now white and gold.  Lining the staircase are portraits of Queen Victoria's immediate ancestors and relations, illustrating her succession, which were devised shortly after her coronation in 1838.  They include William IV, George of Cumberland, Princess Charlotte of Wales, King Leopold I of The Belgians, Queen Charlotte, George III, Victoria, Duchess of Kent, Duke of Sussex, Duke of Kent, and Queen Adelaide.

The East Gallery, and the smaller West Gallery act as links between the Nash state rooms in the main block of the palace, and the new block added to the west by Pennethrone in 1853-1835 for Queen Victoria's vast new ballroom.  They do not match the spendour of NAsh's rooms, but traces of the original decorations initiated by Prince Albert survive, including panels of "Cupids at Play" by Consoni.  The East Gallery connects the top of the Grand Staircase (main flight from the landing) to the entrance to the Ballroom.  The West Gallery connects the State Dining Room to the Ballroom.  Alongside the Ballroom itself is the Cross Gallery, which connects the East and West Gallery.

Besides leading to the Ballroom, the East Gallery also gives access to the Ball Supper Room (also added for Queen Victoria), and the Household Corridor (which runs the depth of the south wing, connecting the State Rooms on the garden side, to the public side - the East Wing).


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 19, 2008, 06:28:25 PM
I was wondering if there is a book that tells everything on Buck House ?  8)

In my completely biased opinion, the best resource is the Buckingham Palace Virtual Tour that my company creates :) It certainly has a lot of photographs and information you won't find in books.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2008, 11:46:23 AM
Thanks ! Do you have one for Schonbrunn in Austria ?  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 20, 2008, 02:03:20 PM
Thanks ! Do you have one for Schonbrunn in Austria ?  ;)

Not at this stage.  It's something we can look into, but the most likely additional tours would be some of the Saint Petersburg palaces such as Peterhof.

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2008, 03:59:37 PM
St Petersburg is full of palaces...too big a project. Schonburnn or Carserta (Napoli) may be easier.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: StefanOlson on November 20, 2008, 04:14:52 PM
St Petersburg is full of palaces...too big a project. Schonburnn or Carserta (Napoli) may be easier.

Each tour is a single palace, so there would be quite a number of tours we could build over a period of time.  These decisions are made based on both on demand and based on the resources we have to create the tour.  We have already done a lot of the preparation work of photography of Peterhof, which is why it would probably be the next one to be done.  Thanks for your suggestions, we will certainly look at them.  The more tours we sell, the more tours we can create :)

…Stefan
Olson Software Ltd, www.palacevirtualtours.com.
Makers of virtual tours of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Versailles
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 20, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
The Grand Hall is the same dimmensions as the hall of the old Buckingham House, with the same low proportions stressing that the piano nobile is above, similar to an Italian Renaissance palace.  Nash created dramatic spatial effects by lowering the floor of the central area.  The floor, and Corinthian columns, are all of white Carrara marble.  The chimney at the north end of the hall, opposite the Grand Staircase, is among the finest in the palace, supplied in 1829 by Joseph Theakston.   Originally the walls were lined with coloured scagliola; the present white and gold scheme was executed in 1902 for Edward VII.

The Grand Staircase rises to a landing, then either continues upward in a straight flight to the East Gallery, or returns on two flights to the Guard Room.  This staircase is lit by engraved glass skylights by Wainwright and Brothers, the patterns are reminiscent of white damask tablecloths.  The staircase, of Carrara marble, replaces James Wyatt's imperial staircase (built for George III in 1801).  It features a gilt bronze ballustrate embellished with Grecian foliage.  It was made in 1828-1830 and cost 3,900 pounds at that time.  At the top are mahogany framed, mirror-plated doors designed by Nash and used throughout the state rooms.  The walls of the staircase were also originally covered with polychorme panels of scaglioa, but are now white and gold.  Lining the staircase are portraits of Queen Victoria's immediate ancestors and relations, illustrating her succession, which were devised shortly after her coronation in 1838.  They include William IV, George of Cumberland, Princess Charlotte of Wales, King Leopold I of The Belgians, Queen Charlotte, George III, Victoria, Duchess of Kent, Duke of Sussex, Duke of Kent, and Queen Adelaide.

The East Gallery, and the smaller West Gallery act as links between the Nash state rooms in the main block of the palace, and the new block added to the west by Pennethrone in 1853-1835 for Queen Victoria's vast new ballroom.  They do not match the spendour of NAsh's rooms, but traces of the original decorations initiated by Prince Albert survive, including panels of "Cupids at Play" by Consoni.  The East Gallery connects the top of the Grand Staircase (main flight from the landing) to the entrance to the Ballroom.  The West Gallery connects the State Dining Room to the Ballroom.  Alongside the Ballroom itself is the Cross Gallery, which connects the East and West Gallery.

Besides leading to the Ballroom, the East Gallery also gives access to the Ball Supper Room (also added for Queen Victoria), and the Household Corridor (which runs the depth of the south wing, connecting the State Rooms on the garden side, to the public side - the East Wing).




Chris thanks very much for your all informations. It is a very fantastic and I enjoy reading your informations. Thanks so much. You are a really help me :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2008, 10:24:29 AM
You are welcome ! I shall look forward to more tours. My friend bought the Versailles one and loved it !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 23, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
Some photos of the State Rooms during reign of the King George VI:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1-6.jpg)
The Throne Room

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 23, 2008, 06:44:32 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-6.jpg)
The White Drawing Room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 23, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/4-4.jpg)
The State Dinning Room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 23, 2008, 06:45:59 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-4.jpg)
The Ball Super Room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
Nice pics !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 27, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
Household Corridor at Buckingham palace - some photos:

Photos of the Household Corridor which I posted before on this forum:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2.jpg)

On the end of this part of the Household Corridor you can see the East Gallery.

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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on November 27, 2008, 10:27:34 AM
Household Corridor at Buckingham palace - some photos:

New Photos of the Household Corridor:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/12-4.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/13-4.jpg)



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Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2008, 10:30:47 AM
That really helps in locating ! Thanks !  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on November 28, 2008, 02:54:29 PM
I have a copy of David Watkin's 'The Royal Interiors of Regency England', which contains a full collection of Pyne's watercolours (although none was painted by him). Absolutely fantastic views of the interiors of Windsor, Hampton Court, Buckingham House, St James's, Kensington, Frogmore and Carlton House. Those of Carlton House are the only surviving record we have of the interiors before its demolishion. Carlton House truly was the 'most perfect palace in Europe'.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on November 30, 2008, 11:10:53 PM
Oh dear....I note that the lovely and much enjoyed floor plans of St James's Palace have been 'deleted or moved'. Is this because they were copyright material or removed for some other reason. I only ask as they really were so interesting to refer to when one reads descriptions etc in books and memoirs. The same goes for the plans of KP. They were so very interesting to see. Can we hope to have them back again at any time in the future....even if only for a briefest of peeks to refresh our memories.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 01, 2008, 09:35:01 PM
Household Corridor at Buckingham palace - view from the East Gallery

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3-7.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 01, 2008, 09:38:32 PM
The Household Corridor at Buckingham palace - view from the East Gallery

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/4-7.jpg)
The first two door's on the right side of the Household Corridor lead to the Ball Super Room, but how we can see on this photos the door's are blocked with some furniture piece.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 01, 2008, 09:39:30 PM
The Kitchen at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2-9.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RJ on December 10, 2008, 07:49:00 AM
I've seen some old pictures of the rooms of the Belgian Suite at the ground floor of Buckingham Palace.

Does anyone have colour pictures of these rooms:
Carnarvon Room/Orleans Room/18th Century Room/Spanish Room?

Thanks a lot!
Robert (Holland)




Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 08:18:22 AM
I've seen some old pictures of the rooms of the Belgian Suite at the ground floor of Buckingham Palace.

Does anyone have colour pictures of these rooms:
Carnarvon Room/Orleans Room/18th Century Room/Spanish Room?

Thanks a lot!
Robert (Holland)






Belgian Suite:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/palaceMIRROR201103_450x350.jpg)
Bedroom (Orleans Room)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/000380E2-4E0E-1FBB-81B180C328EC0000.jpg)
Spanish Room
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 08:22:06 AM
I've seen some old pictures of the rooms of the Belgian Suite at the ground floor of Buckingham Palace.

Does anyone have colour pictures of these rooms:
Carnarvon Room/Orleans Room/18th Century Room/Spanish Room?

Thanks a lot!
Robert (Holland)






I don't have colour pictures of the Carnarvon Room :( Sorry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 10, 2008, 08:26:27 AM
It is just me, or does anyone else think the green walls of the Household Corridor are hideous?  Perhaps it's merely the lighting in the photo, but that color reminds me of a children's hospital ward, or a pre-school.   ::)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on December 10, 2008, 08:34:56 AM
Oops, hit "post" before I finished my thought.

The other thing I notice is that aside from the kitchens, the Household Corridor is the only BP space I've ever seen photographed that has painted walls instead of wallpaper (or silk wall panels as in the State or Royal suites). 

After watching the television series The Monarchy (recently broadcast here in the States), I am even MORE interested than before in the non- State /Royal areas of the palaces.  That series showed the kitchens, the wine cellar, and a Footman's room (where a footman was polishing his shoes).  One scene also showed somebody in the Central Chancellry Office at St. James poking through storage cabinets of OBEs, OMs, etc. in preparation for an Investiture.  But would love to see pictures of a staff bedroom, the office areas, or the workshops where the various staff tend to their duties.  That would help give a flavor of what the real operation of the Court is like.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 08:37:02 AM
I've seen some old pictures of the rooms of the Belgian Suite at the ground floor of Buckingham Palace.

Does anyone have colour pictures of these rooms:
Carnarvon Room/Orleans Room/18th Century Room/Spanish Room?

Thanks a lot!
Robert (Holland)






Belgian Suite - Sitting Room or 18th Century Room:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/255.jpg)
The Queen in 18th Century Room, Belgian Suite.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 08:42:17 AM
Belgian Suite - Sitting Room or 18th Century Room:

I just founded this interesting photo, which shows brazilian president at 18th Century Room (Belgian Suite, Buckingham palace):

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/256.jpg)
On the left side of this photo you can see the door which conduct in the Bedrrom (Orleans Room)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 09:08:14 AM
Belgian Suite at Buckingham palace - 18th Century Room (Guest's Sitting room):

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/a-2.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 09:20:34 AM
The Guest's bedroom suite on the first floor in the East Wing at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/c-1.jpg)
The Sitting Room
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Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 09:21:35 AM
The Guest's bedroom suite on the first floor in the East Wing at Buckingham palace:

Bedrooms:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Image1553.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Image156546.jpg)


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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2008, 09:32:50 AM
I like the sitting room, it is nicely decorated and looked comfortable.
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Post by: Nikola on December 10, 2008, 10:10:05 AM
Could anyone post a photo of the Table of the Great Commanders in Buckingham Palace ?? I've never seen one....

I think this is the Table of the Great Commanders. This table is located at Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/63603.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Thanks for pointing that one out.  :)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 11:50:48 AM
Some interesting photos of the Minister's Staircase at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/t-1.jpg)
On the top of the Minister's Staircase you can see the entrance to the Ante Room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 11:57:23 AM
The Minister's Staircase at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/y-1.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:00:47 PM
Part of THe Grand Staircase at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/s.jpg)
View from the East Gallery
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:22:50 PM
The Queen desk at Regency Room at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/r-1.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:32:06 PM
The wine cellar at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/wine4.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/wine2.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:33:50 PM
The wine cellar at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/wine05.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/wine8.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/wine2.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:44:26 PM
Interior of the Sandringham House:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/sandringhamc_673944a.jpg)
 
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/sandringhamf_673947n.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 12:45:29 PM
Interior of the Sandringham House:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/sandringhamd_673945a.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/sandringhame_673946n.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
What a lovely house!
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
Yes it is! :)
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 07:32:55 PM
On more picture of the Household Corridor at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/z.jpg)

View from the East Gallery
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Post by: Nikola on December 12, 2008, 07:56:13 PM
The King's Stairs (North Wing) at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b-2.jpg)
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on December 13, 2008, 03:25:35 PM
Balmoral castle.Ground floor plan in 1850s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/bc-ground-floor.gif)

http://www.historyvortex.org/LetterLordGrey.html (http://www.historyvortex.org/LetterLordGrey.html)
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Post by: Nikola on December 13, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
Balmoral castle.Ground floor plan in 1850s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Queen%20Victoria/bc-ground-floor.gif)

http://www.historyvortex.org/LetterLordGrey.html (http://www.historyvortex.org/LetterLordGrey.html)

Wow thanks very much Le Roi Soleil .
This is the first time that I can see any plans of the Balmoral castle.

It's will be very nice to see more floor plans of the Balmoral castle.
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Post by: Nikola on December 13, 2008, 08:38:53 PM
And please, does any of you have some plans of the Palace of Holyroodhouse?

I will be very happy if someone will only post the plans of the palace State rooms.

Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: royal_netherlands on December 14, 2008, 08:11:05 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/N1731897382.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/N1721896153.jpg)

The two sisters: Princess Victoria and Princess Maud in their boudoirs, look at all the their stuff! The probably learned how to styl thier rooms from their mother Queen Alexandra. Wink!
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Post by: Condecontessa on December 14, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
That room is pretty overwhelming for anyone lest the maids who dusts them!! ;)
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on December 15, 2008, 05:22:54 AM
Interiors of Fort Belvedere in 1950s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/fort/FortB2.jpg)


Intertior of the Octagon room on the ground floor

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/fort/FortB4.jpg)


Interior of the master bedroom on the first floor

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/fort/FortB1.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/fort/FortB5.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
Thanks for posting the interiors of the Fort. Always wonder what is like inside...
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Post by: EmmyLee on December 15, 2008, 11:00:43 AM
In the first photo Royal Netherlands posted, it looks like she would have some difficulty getting to that desk by having to squeeze between a table and a chair. And especially in her long skirt!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 01:37:52 PM
The skirts those days are made of quite flowing materials. It was the 40's !
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 15, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Hi Royal Netherlands,

Thank you for so generously posting all those pictures for us in the past few weeks.  Marvellous!!!

Last August, when touring through Peterhof with a cruise group and going through all the gold and statuary there, the woman in front of me turned around and said, "Who cleans all this!!??"....
But, Peterhof wasn't nearly as cluttered as Victoria's and Maud's rooms.  Pity the poor maid!  One wonders if the servants rejoiced at getting a job in the Royal Household, only to bemoan all that dusting...  Be careful what you wish for!!!

Larry
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Post by: Grace on December 15, 2008, 02:19:00 PM
The skirts those days are made of quite flowing materials. It was the 40's !

40's?  These photos look like they were taken in about the 1890's to me. 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 03:57:23 PM
I don't think so.
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Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on December 15, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
I don't think so.

The pictures of Princessess Victoria and Maud are circa 1890. The photographs of the interior of Fort Belvedere are from the 1950's.

R.I.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 08:20:51 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. 1950's is pretty recent.
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Post by: Grace on December 16, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
Eric, you sound triumphant here.  We were clearly talking about different photos.  I was responding about the ones of Princesses Maud and Victoria which clearly WERE taken in the 1890's or, specifically, 1890, as stated by Emperor of the Dominions.  I'm sorry, but is it always necessary for you to post needless, follow-up remarks about the very obvious? 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 03:42:58 PM
No...I was always talking about the Fort. I did not see interiors of it before and was exited. The rooms of Maud and Toria were mirrors of those of their mother, hardly surprising at all.
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Post by: Marc on December 16, 2008, 06:09:21 PM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/Princess%20Elizabeth/PrincessElizabeth4.jpg)

Can someone tell me if it is portrait of Princess Helena in the back?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 07:57:55 AM
More like Vicky. There is another of a man on the right which I believe could be Fritz.
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Post by: Marc on December 17, 2008, 08:08:00 AM
I checked it now,it is indeed portrait of Helena :-)
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Post by: Luc on December 17, 2008, 09:20:03 AM
This is the portrait of Helena on the left of the photo:
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=princess+helena&object=405032&row=8
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 09:36:24 AM
Thanks...I guess the position of the hands is a giveraway. Who is the adjoining male portrait on the right ?
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Post by: Luc on December 17, 2008, 10:10:41 AM
The adjoining portrait is certainly Fritz, painted in 1863:
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/object.asp?searchText=crown+prince+of+prussia&object=405281&row=7
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 02:06:03 PM
Well...At least I got one right. I wonder where the Vicky portrait was hung...maybe in another room ?
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Post by: Marc on December 17, 2008, 05:13:25 PM
Could be on another side of the room...lovely portrait of Friedrich!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 08:07:54 AM
Yes...one of my favourites.  ;)
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Post by: Nikola on December 19, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
Please, Can any tell me more about sofas and armchairs at White Drawing Room and Blue Drawing Room at Buckingham palace?
Who made them, and when?

Thanks
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2008, 09:27:44 AM
Hard to say as they may have been uphoisted through the years. Originally the furniture of Buckingham Palace came from Carlton House, another of George IV's houses.
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Post by: Nikola on December 19, 2008, 09:57:04 AM
I know that the most furniture came from Carlton House, but I hope that someone know who made this briliant sofas (at White and Blue Drawing Room) and when!?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2008, 10:06:06 AM
I don't think they were documented to outsiders. There has been many changes throughout the years.
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Post by: Nikola on December 25, 2008, 12:37:37 PM
are there any photos of the Chapel that was hit by a bomb in WW2

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/222.jpg)

The Private Chapel at Buckingham palace before War.
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Post by: Nikola on December 25, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
And link:

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=buckingham+palace+chapel&object=919912&row=3
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 26, 2008, 10:08:10 AM
Thanks ! What event happened in this chapel ?
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Post by: alixaannencova on December 26, 2008, 02:01:44 PM
I do hope I am reading your question correctly Eric? About what event was held in the chapel at Buckingham Palace. Apart from divine service obviously, I know that our favourite 'reluctant' Princess Royal was married to Fife there as were Maud and Charles, and that Harry and Alice Gloucester were also married there. The service with Greek Orthodox rites of George and Marina Kent was also took place here and the present Duke of Kent was baptized in the chapel.   
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2008, 12:49:37 PM
Thanks...Were the princesses also confirmed there ?
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Post by: alixaannencova on December 27, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
Louise Fife was confirmed at Osborne and Toria and Maud were confirmed at St Mary Magdalene Church, Sandringham. Mary Harewood seems to have been the only member of the family confirmed in the chapel at Buckingham Palace. As to christenings, Alice Hesse-Darmstadt was the first member of the family baptized in the newly renovated and consecrated chapel followed by Lenchen, Louise Argyll, Arthur, Leopold and Beatrice. Bertie and Affie were baptized at Windsor, the former at St George's Chapel, the latter in the private chapel and Vicky was baptized in the throne room at Buckingham Palace. Eddy was the only one of the Wales children baptized in the private chapel at Buckingham Palace. Subsequently the next baby baptized there appears to have been Princess Margaret, and the present Duke of Kent was the last baby to be baptized in the chapel. 
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Post by: alixaannencova on December 27, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
Correction - Princess Alexandra was apparently baptized in the Chapel at Buckingham Palace and Princess Irene of Orange, daughter of the future Queen Juliana was the last royal infant baptized there in 1940 before it was bombed.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2008, 04:50:23 PM
Wasn't Margaret & Patricia of Connaught confirmed there ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on December 28, 2008, 12:52:11 AM
It appears not. Daisy and Patsy were confirmed at the Private chapel, Windsor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 28, 2008, 11:37:38 AM
Thanks for the clearifaction.
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Post by: Nikola on December 29, 2008, 10:50:47 AM
The Private Chapel at Windsor castle, during reign of the king George VI:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/w1.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on December 29, 2008, 10:59:35 AM
Please,
Can any of you tell me, who made the large gilt glasses (above chimneys) and when, which are located at State Drawing Rooms (White, Green and Blue) and Throne Room at Buckingham palace??????
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2008, 11:37:02 AM
Good Question.
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Post by: Nikola on January 01, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
The Private Corridor at Buckingham palace, direct beside Queen's Private apartments at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/q-1.jpg)

On the photo, you can see:
1. straight - the white door (with picture above), which direct lead to the Queen's private bedroom at Buckingham palace.
2. right - the door (aslant), which lead to the some stairs at Buckingham palace
3. also right (but we can't see on this photo) is the door which lead to the Corgis Room (also aslant door)
4. also right (but we can't see on this photo),  between the door which lead to the stairs and the door which lead to the Corgis Room, is the lift which the Queen always use.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 01, 2009, 03:15:11 PM
Another view of the Private Corridor at Buckingham palace, direct beside Queen's Private apartments at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/o-1.jpg)

On this photo, you can see:

- left: black door, which direct lead to the Queen's private dining room (breakfast room) at Buckingham palace
- straight: the white door (with picture above), which direct lead to the Queen's private bedroom at Buckingham palace.
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Post by: Nikola on January 01, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
the Queen's private dining room (breakfast room) at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/BreakfastroomwheretheQueenandPrince.jpg)
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Post by: toddy on January 01, 2009, 05:12:01 PM
does anyone know what the room that sits between the queen's audience room and the royal closet is used for?and does anyone have a picture of this room???
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2009, 12:11:47 PM
Lovely photo of this intimate room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 02, 2009, 07:36:44 PM
Yes it is.
The Queen's Private apartments at Buckingham palace is a very nice to see.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2009, 10:55:38 AM
Indeed. A very intimate corner.
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Post by: Nikola on January 07, 2009, 02:11:51 PM
Royal Lodge at Windsor ( It was the Windsor residence of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother from 1952 until her death there in 2002. Since 2004 it has been the official residence of Prince Andrew, Duke of York) during reign of the king George VI:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/rlw.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: TampaBay on January 08, 2009, 07:14:16 AM
Who lived in Royal Lodge prior to 1952?

TampaBay
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Post by: Nikola on January 08, 2009, 07:32:34 AM
Who lived in Royal Lodge prior to 1952?

TampaBay

In 1931 it was granted to the Duke and Duchess of York (later King George VI and Queen Elizabeth).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 08, 2009, 07:49:42 AM
Royal Lodge - Today:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/royal_lodge.jpg)

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2009, 08:42:49 AM
Is it still a royal residence ? I heard Prince Andrew, Duke of York lives there.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 08, 2009, 10:07:09 AM
Yes Eric, as stated earlier, it is the Duke of York's residence.  Thank you so much Nikola for the photographs, I don't believe I've ever seen a photo that shows an accurate perspective of its size, and frankly, I'm surprised at how large it is.  Surely it is quite a bit larger than Sunninghill Park?  Oh, to see a floor plan or enough interior photos to get a picture of the floor plan would be a true treat!

It is interesting that the Queen and The Princess Royal are the only two members of the Royal Family who live in homes they personally own.  Three royal residenes are leased from the Crown Estate:  Andrew at Royal Lodge, Edward at Bagshot Park and Princess Alexandria at Thatched House Lodge.  Two of Charles' country homes (Highgrove and the new Welsh residence) are owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, while the third (Birkhall) is owned privately by the Queen.  The only other royal-owned home is currently leased out - the Duke of Glouchester owns Barnwell Manor but has leased it out since 1994.  The Duke of Kent sold Coppins in 1973, while the Michael-Kents sold their country home a few years back.

This topic always beings me back to Frogmore, and why that house has not been properly occupied for most of the past 100 years.  Queen Mary used it between 1925 and 1953 and arranged it as kind of a private family museum.  During the present reign, it has been maintained and occasionally used by the Royal Family - particularly Prince Phillip - but never lived in.  I've always wondered if - as is usually done for a monarch's spouse - Frogmore is being held back as a possible country home for Phillip in case he outlived The Queen. 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2009, 10:28:30 AM
That would make sense, Frogmore would be a retreat for Prince Philip. However I personally do not see that senario from happening.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 08, 2009, 10:29:41 AM
Royal lodge at Windsor:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/royal_lodge.jpg)

On the left corner (down) of this photo, you can see the Little House, a gift to Princess Elizabeth as a child from the people of Wales (1932).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 08, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/lodgehouse.jpg)

The Little House ('Y Bwthyn Bach') in the garden of the Royal Lodge at Windsor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2009, 11:00:53 AM
Charming !I wonder if the Queen & Princess Margaret played there as children.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Michael HR on January 08, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
I bet they did! What a nice present although present is a bit of an understatement...
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 08, 2009, 11:47:47 AM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/clarence%20house/PrMRL1.jpg)

Princess Margaret at the Royal Lodge

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/clarence%20house/PrMRL2.png)

Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong-Jones in the Saloon of the Royal Lodge 29th February 1960
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
Interesting...the decoration inside was quite neo-gothic with arches etc. Reminds me of things designed by Pugin...
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 08, 2009, 05:10:57 PM
Interesting...the decoration inside was quite neo-gothic with arches etc. Reminds me of things designed by Pugin...

To my mind the saloon's design is very similar to the design of the Gothic Dining room in the Prince Regent's Carlton House
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?1168316 (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?1168316)
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on January 08, 2009, 06:52:49 PM
Hi,

Where exactly is The Royal Lodge located in Windsor Park??
Can someone provide a map in relation to the Castle?  Thank you...

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 07:50:30 AM
Hi,

Where exactly is The Royal Lodge located in Windsor Park??
Can someone provide a map in relation to the Castle?  Thank you...

Larry

The Royal Lodge is located near the statue of George III on Snow Hill at Windsor Greta Park (on the end of the Long Walk). If you going from Windsor castle, and when you come to the statue of the King George III you go to the left road, and there is located gates of the Royal Lodge.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on January 09, 2009, 07:59:59 AM
Hi Nikola,

Thank you for those directions.  I do believe I have seen it but didn't know what I was looking at.

Cheers,
Larry
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2009, 08:09:26 AM
I came close to the locked gates. Wasit ever open to the public ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 08:15:29 AM
Hi Nikola,

Thank you for those directions.  I do believe I have seen it but didn't know what I was looking at.

Cheers,
Larry

The Gates of the Royal Lodge at Windsor:

(http://www.thamesweb.co.uk/windsor/queen_mother/images/hm_royldge03.jpg)

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2009, 08:56:52 AM
Thanks for the photo.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 04:59:05 PM
Thanks for the photo.

It's my pleasure. You're welcome Eric
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
I just found on Getty Images this two photos of Buckingham palace interior.

The photos if from (circa) 1920, during reign of the king George V.



First photo shows today the Queen's Private Audience Room, during reign of the king George V :

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/AroominBuckinghampalacedecoratedint.jpg)
The Queen's Private Audience Room at Buckingham palace, circa 1920

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/ba-i2-b-c-20_TheQueensreceptionroom.jpg)
The queen's Private Audience Room at Buckingham palace - Today

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/20051109_bg.jpg)
The queen's Private Audience Room at Buckingham palace - Today
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
The Second photo also shows the some room at Buckingham palace (decorated in Oriental style) , but I don't know where is this room located:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/AroominBuckinghampalacedecorated-1.jpg)


Maybe this Room is the room which located between the Queen's Audience Room and Royal Closet?! :S
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 09, 2009, 07:27:13 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/gleb/England/ba-hi2_c-f-10.jpg)

Gleb also posted the picture which shows The Queen's Audience Room during reign of the king George V (when it was the tapestry room)

And today I posted this photo from Getty Images:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/AroominBuckinghampalacedecoratedint.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 10, 2009, 05:15:23 AM

Maybe this Room is the room which located between the Queen's Audience Room and Royal Closet?! :S


I think so, too

I wonder if it is the same even nowadays
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 10, 2009, 06:40:02 AM
Thank you, Gleb! for this interesting info

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/buck_palace/BP-QVs_sitting_room.jpg)

James Roberts (fl. 1824-1867)
The Queen Victoria's sitting room in Buckingham Palace, 1855
 
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 10, 2009, 06:46:47 AM
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/WC-QVs_sitting_room.jpg)
Joseph Nash
The Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room in Windsor Castle
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Post by: Le Roi Soleil on January 10, 2009, 07:10:18 AM
The Second photo also shows the some room at Buckingham palace (decorated in Oriental style) , but I don't know where is this room located:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/AroominBuckinghampalacedecorated-1.jpg)


Maybe this Room is the room which located between the Queen's Audience Room and Royal Closet?! :S


I think, this is the Sheraton Room at the north-west corner of Buckingham Palace

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/BPplan-SheratonRoom.jpg)
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Post by: Nikola on January 10, 2009, 08:40:58 AM
The Second photo also shows the some room at Buckingham palace (decorated in Oriental style) , but I don't know where is this room located:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/AroominBuckinghampalacedecorated-1.jpg)


Maybe this Room is the room which located between the Queen's Audience Room and Royal Closet?! :S


I think, this is the Sheraton Room at the north-west corner of Buckingham Palace

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/BPplan-SheratonRoom.jpg)



Maybe you are right Le.
I think too, that this room maybe is located at the north-west corner of Buckingham Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 10, 2009, 08:48:16 AM
I just found this similar photo on the Corbis site:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/SX001743.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: gleb on January 10, 2009, 11:36:36 AM
I just found this similar photo on the Corbis site:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/SX001743.jpg)

To me, this room is the one labelled as Mrs. Knollis sitting room.

I think I have an old photo of the Sheraton room, one can see it is smaller, I will look for it.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 11:58:47 AM
Interesting decor.
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Post by: Nikola on January 10, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
I just found this similar photo on the Corbis site:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/SX001743.jpg)

To me, this room is the one labelled as Mrs. Knollis sitting room.

I think I have an old photo of the Sheraton room, one can see it is smaller, I will look for it.

I also think that this Room is the room betwen Royal closet and queen's Audience Room, but I'm not 100% sure.
The wall of this photo (where is large glass and commode) is probably beside the Queens Audience Room, but where is the door, in the corner of this room which lead into the Queens Audience Room?! :S
We can see on the photos of the Queens Audience Room, that one door of the Queens Audience Room lead into the room, which is located betwen Audience Room and Royal Closet. Maybe that's door is a secret from this room?! :S

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Post by: Nikola on January 10, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/SX001743-1.jpg)
You can see on this photo the interesting line on this wall, which maybe is the (secret) door which lead into the Queens Audience Room. We know that doors such this exist at Buckingham palace.

Any comment?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 10, 2009, 01:25:37 PM
To me, this room is the one labelled as Mrs. Knollis sitting room.

I think I have an old photo of the Sheraton room, one can see it is smaller, I will look for it.
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I also think that the Shearon room is very smaller. That I think, as Gleb, that the second photo which I posted today shows the Mrs. Knollis sitting room (the room betwen Royal closet and Audience Room).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 10, 2009, 01:30:51 PM
Who was Mrs. Knollis ? Is the room still exist now ?
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Post by: Luc on January 10, 2009, 02:04:14 PM
Who was Mrs. Knollis ? Is the room still exist now ?

Mrs. Charlotte Knollys was one of Queen Alexandra's permanent ladies.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 02:24:13 PM
What happen to that room after she retires ?
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Post by: toddy on January 11, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
what is this room used for now?
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Post by: Nikola on January 11, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
what is this room used for now?

We don't know yet.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
We can find out. It has been along time now since Queen Alexandra's lady in waiting used that room. Maybe it was bombed.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 11, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
We can find out. It has been along time now since Queen Alexandra's lady in waiting used that room. Maybe it was bombed.

That's room is not bombed, I'm 100% sure.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on January 11, 2009, 11:17:58 PM
Thank you, Gleb! for this interesting info

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/buck_palace/BP-QVs_sitting_room.jpg)

James Roberts (fl. 1824-1867)
The Queen Victoria's sitting room in Buckingham Palace, 1855
 


I love the Nash ceilings     they are wonderful   the rooms and ceilings in the Blore additions the building are rather ugly i think
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 12, 2009, 09:03:34 AM
what is this room used for now?

We don't know yet.

Photos of the Queen receiving guests in her Audience Chamber sometimes show the guest arriving from the north (ie.  The Prime Minister usually enters from the Private Corridor), and sometimes arriving from the south (from the Minister's Stairs / State Apartments via the room in question).  So it would make sense to me that that former sitting room now serves as an Anteroom; perhaps the Queen's Equerry, a Lady in Waiting or another court official receives arrivals in this room before they are presented to the Queen.  Every film I've ever seen shows a courtier reminding guests of protocol before they are presented - that has to happen somewhere!

Question - does anyone know the present location of the Tapestries that used to hang in the Audience Chamber?  Are they still in BP, or now in another royal residence? 

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Post by: Nikola on January 12, 2009, 09:14:09 AM

Photos of the Queen receiving guests in her Audience Chamber sometimes show the guest arriving from the north (ie.  The Prime Minister usually enters from the Private Corridor), and sometimes arriving from the south (from the Minister's Stairs / State Apartments via the room in question).  So it would make sense to me that that former sitting room now serves as an Anteroom; perhaps the Queen's Equerry, a Lady in Waiting or another court official receives arrivals in this room before they are presented to the Queen.  Every film I've ever seen shows a courtier reminding guests of protocol before they are presented - that has to happen somewhere!

Question - does anyone know the present location of the Tapestries that used to hang in the Audience Chamber?  Are they still in BP, or now in another royal residence? 



I never seen that anybody enters in the Audience Room from another (south) door.
I think that all guests enters from north door.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 12, 2009, 04:56:59 PM
The Principal Corridor at Buckingham Palace during reign of the king George VI (1950):

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bp22.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 12, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
The Principal Corridor at Buckingham Palace during reign of the king George VI (1950):

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bp22.jpg)


Today, this part of the Principal Corridor is the same as on this Picture.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 12, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
The Principal Corridor at Buckingham palace, view from the glass door's which is shown on the previous picture:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/13.jpg)
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 13, 2009, 08:03:08 AM

Photos of the Queen receiving guests in her Audience Chamber sometimes show the guest arriving from the north (ie.  The Prime Minister usually enters from the Private Corridor), and sometimes arriving from the south (from the Minister's Stairs / State Apartments via the room in question).  So it would make sense to me that that former sitting room now serves as an Anteroom; perhaps the Queen's Equerry, a Lady in Waiting or another court official receives arrivals in this room before they are presented to the Queen.  Every film I've ever seen shows a courtier reminding guests of protocol before they are presented - that has to happen somewhere!

Question - does anyone know the present location of the Tapestries that used to hang in the Audience Chamber?  Are they still in BP, or now in another royal residence? 



I never seen that anybody enters in the Audience Room from another (south) door.
I think that all guests enters from north door.

If you scan a selection from the Royal Insight's Gallery - which most every month includes photos of the Queen receiving various ambassador, high commissioners and other dignitaries -  you'll notice that sometimes Her Majesty faces North as the guest enters from the Principal Corridor, whilst other times she faces South as guests enter from the opposite direction.  I've no idea if the visitor's path is determined by their rank or position , or by nothing more than variety, but I have noticed it routinely.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
That would be a fact interesting to find out.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 13, 2009, 09:00:50 AM
If you scan a selection from the Royal Insight's Gallery - which most every month includes photos of the Queen receiving various ambassador, high commissioners and other dignitaries -  you'll notice that sometimes Her Majesty faces North as the guest enters from the Principal Corridor, whilst other times she faces South as guests enter from the opposite direction.  I've no idea if the visitor's path is determined by their rank or position , or by nothing more than variety, but I have noticed it routinely.



When the queen receiving guests at Room 1844 she faces South, and when her majesty receiving guests at Audience Room she faces North. I'm sure that all guests enters in the Audience Room from north door.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 09:07:11 AM
Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on January 13, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
On a separate note, does anyone know what room is used for the presentation of gifts during a Sate Visit?
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Post by: Nikola on January 13, 2009, 09:44:27 AM
On a separate note, does anyone know what room is used for the presentation of gifts during a Sate Visit?

Carnarvon Room at Buckingham palace, is used for the presentation of gifts during a Sate Visit.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 13, 2009, 02:46:25 PM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 14, 2009, 07:48:13 AM
Thanks for the info.

You're welcome
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 14, 2009, 08:05:38 AM
If you scan a selection from the Royal Insight's Gallery - which most every month includes photos of the Queen receiving various ambassador, high commissioners and other dignitaries -  you'll notice that sometimes Her Majesty faces North as the guest enters from the Principal Corridor, whilst other times she faces South as guests enter from the opposite direction.  I've no idea if the visitor's path is determined by their rank or position , or by nothing more than variety, but I have noticed it routinely.

When the queen receiving guests at Room 1844 she faces South, and when her majesty receiving guests at Audience Room she faces North. I'm sure that all guests enters in the Audience Room from north door.

 :-[  I admit error; I went back to some of the pictures I referenced, and now see that you are right about this Nikola.  I had never noticed before that when the Queen faces South, she is definitely in a different room than her Audience Chamber (the 1844 room you say). 

Still, I'm confused by why the palace would use this route to the Audience Chamber?  I mean, up the King's Staircase, and down the Principal Corridor past the Queen's bedroom door!  Why on earth wouldn't they instead have ambassadors and such enter via the Minister's Staircase and use the State Apartment Lobby approach?  Seems more logical, more formal, and avoids unnecessary people in the Queen's private apartments.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on January 14, 2009, 09:04:15 AM
Still, I'm confused by why the palace would use this route to the Audience Chamber?  I mean, up the King's Staircase, and down the Principal Corridor past the Queen's bedroom door!  Why on earth wouldn't they instead have ambassadors and such enter via the Minister's Staircase and use the State Apartment Lobby approach?  Seems more logical, more formal, and avoids unnecessary people in the Queen's private apartments.

We can't know reasons for that :(
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 14, 2009, 11:28:17 AM
I am confused too.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on January 15, 2009, 08:05:51 AM
The Principal Corridor at Buckingham Palace during reign of the king George VI (1950):

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bp22.jpg)


Today, this part of the Principal Corridor is the same as on this Picture.

Does anyone know anything about those wedding-cake looking things on either side of the doors?  What are those?  I'd venture a guess they may have made their way to BP via the Royal Pavilion at Brighton?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Alexander1917 on January 15, 2009, 08:41:13 AM
I suppose those are flower stands... in the corners were put a single flower.. such things are also here in dresden in the china collection of former kings of saxony

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w245/alexander1917/c092aff1-dd88-461f-8eea-211ef07d-1.jpg)

this is form the 1930s...to see how it works

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Post by: Michael HR on January 15, 2009, 09:08:02 AM
I think they were original used for tulips, which at the time were very expensive.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 15, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
Yes. The most elberate ones are from Holland and can be seen in Het Loo.
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Post by: Alexander1917 on January 15, 2009, 09:45:23 AM
yes..tulips veases.... see google..:-)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:25:54 PM
thanks ! But this one is not Deflt nor in blue & white.
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Post by: Alexander1917 on January 19, 2009, 08:53:49 AM
thanks ! But this one is not Deflt nor in blue & white.

but it shows how this art treasure works..I don't belive the b/w pic shows china from delft...
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 09:11:54 AM
Yes. Although the laquecer cabinet and the vase under the portrait looked Chinese to me.
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Post by: Alexander1917 on January 19, 2009, 10:05:28 AM
Yes. Although the laquecer cabinet and the vase under the portrait looked Chinese to me.

yes i think so, too.

but this two huge vases remember me to the ones at the Procelain Collection and those are Meissen/Dresden
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:19:50 PM
Yes. I agree.
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Post by: traditionalist on January 31, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
Royal Lodge at Windsor ( It was the Windsor residence of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother from 1952 until her death there in 2002. Since 2004 it has been the official residence of Prince Andrew, Duke of York) during reign of the king George VI:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/rlw.jpg)

Wow I have never seen a full photo of the whole of royal lodge and I’m surprised at how big it is.
It even carries a flagpole which means it flies a standard.
I would love to see a floor plan of the building.

It looks bigger than Frogmore.
It’s a beautiful perfectly sized residence.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on January 31, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/coeurdepierre/STJgr.jpg)


Ground floor of St. James' Palace 1890s.

Clarence House in red.

State Apartments in green.

Residence of Princess Victor von Hohenlohe (widow of Queen Victoria's nephew) in yellow.

Residence of Sir Francis Knollys in pink.

Residence of Col A. J. Bigge (later Lord Stanfordham) in charcoal grey.

York House residence of Georgie and May in aqua.

The Lord Chamberlain in dark blue.

The rooms used by Prince Charles as his home after his separation from Diana.  His offices were in part of York House.

St. James is rather a odd designed royal palace, itsn't it?  Quite broken up, no large grand suite of state rooms.  Oh, I know this is the ground floor plan, and there is a suite of larger state rooms on the first floor above the yellow and green dotted rooms.  Nevertheless, it's quite an unflattering and uncomfortable residence for what was, in the 17th and 18th century when among the world's most influential monarchs resided there. 

Would you be able to repost the floor plan of st James’s palace please the image has been removed.

I have floor plans of
Buckingham palace
Windsor castle
And
Whitehall palace.

I have seen the ones for Hampton court and Kensington palace but I have never come across ones for st James’s palace it almost seems impossible to come across them.
I would really appreciate it if you could repost the image or let me know where you got them from.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2009, 04:22:51 PM
I wonder about the floor plans of Royal Lodge...
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Post by: Mari on February 02, 2009, 04:19:19 AM
Yes, I had no idea how large it was....
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 10:12:22 AM
I don't they were published the plans of Royal Lodge....
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Post by: RJ on February 02, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Has anyone ever seen photos of the private apartments at Windsor Castle? For example the guestrooms for state visits, the rooms of the Queen in the Victoria Tower or inside the Round Tower? I'm looking forward to your replies!
Thanks, Robert
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
I wonder if there are tours that cover the State Rooms...?
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Post by: gleb on February 04, 2009, 03:58:47 AM
I wonder about the floor plans of Royal Lodge...

I think we'll never see them :(
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 04, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
Has anyone ever seen photos of the private apartments at Windsor Castle? For example the guestrooms for state visits, the rooms of the Queen in the Victoria Tower or inside the Round Tower? I'm looking forward to your replies!
Thanks, Robert

Robert - do a little looking around the pages of the Royal Interiors thread and you will find what you are seeking.  There are numerous photos of the private apartments at Windsor Castle contained here.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2009, 10:13:25 AM
When was Royal Lodge built ?
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Post by: Nikola on February 04, 2009, 03:14:44 PM
When was Royal Lodge built ?

You have some information here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Lodge
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 04, 2009, 03:50:37 PM
Thank God for Wikipedia !
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Post by: Nikola on February 04, 2009, 09:45:01 PM
Can any help me and tell me more about the "black" statue, which is located on the top of the Grand Staircase at Buckingham palace?

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/statue1.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 05, 2009, 08:52:06 AM
Looks like a copy of the Cellini statue of David holding the head of Goliah in Florence.
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Post by: Nikola on February 06, 2009, 10:02:53 AM
Looks like a copy of the Cellini statue of David holding the head of Goliah in Florence.

I looking for true (real) information about that statue.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 06, 2009, 10:07:45 AM
Lock on the website on Buckingham Palace and ask them yourself. There you can get it from the horse's mouth.
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Post by: PAVLOV on February 11, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
I think that the private apartments of the British Royal family are a monument to bad taste. I am appalled by that hideous breakfast table with the thrift store lamp, which has a foot push button electrical cord across the floor! My breakfast table looks better, and I am very far removed from royalty. I think they are stuck  somewhere in the sixties. If I had to eat my corn flakes or toast and marmalade at a breakfast table like that, I would be seriously depressed for the rest of the day! I am horrified. My whole opinion of them has changed. My apologies if some people think it is shallow of me to expect royalty to live like royalty, even in their private lives. Obviously I am wrong. I think Buckingham palace was far more tastefully decorated in Queen Victoria's time. And as for that bedroom in the Belgian Suite.......... well!  If I had to walk into a hotel anywhere in the world and face the prospect of spending the night in a hideous room like that I WOULD BE OUT OF THERE IN A FLASH.
ONE DOES NOT EVEN WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION ON THE WESSEX BEDROOM. Except that it leaves one speechless. I don't want to sound prejudicial, but its the sort of furniture one would expect to see in a trailer home somewhere, being paid off over 48 months on a payment plan or something.
Some parts of Buckingham palace are beautiful,in my opinion. but others look like a cheap seaside hotel filled with junk.
Compare this to the way the Danish and Swedish ( or Spanish) royals live, and there is a huge difference. Maybe the British Royals just don't care. Tripping over the electrical cord attached to the thrift shop light fitting, while you try to get to the Tupperware container of weatbix !
How very disappointing to see these pics. I think maybe prince Charles has better taste.
 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2009, 02:09:41 PM
Well...I think he does. The interiors of his current home Clarence House has been published already as was Highgrove.
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Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 11, 2009, 04:55:59 PM
I think that the private apartments of the British Royal family are a monument to bad taste. I am appalled by that hideous breakfast table with the thrift store lamp, which has a foot push button electrical cord across the floor! I think they are stuck  somewhere in the sixties. My whole opinion of them has changed. I think Buckingham palace was far more tastefully decorated in Queen Victoria's time. And as for that bedroom in the Belgian Suite.......... ONE DOES NOT EVEN WANT TO EXPRESS AN OPINION ON THE WESSEX BEDROOM. Except that it leaves one speechless. I don't want to sound prejudicial, but its the sort of furniture one would expect to see in a trailer home somewhere, being paid off over 48 months on a payment plan or something.  Some parts of Buckingham palace are beautiful,in my opinion. but others look like a cheap seaside hotel filled with junk.
Compare this to the way the Danish and Swedish ( or Spanish) royals live, and there is a huge difference. Maybe the British Royals just don't care. Tripping over the electrical cord attached to the thrift shop light fitting, while you try to get to the Tupperware container of weatbix !
How very disappointing to see these pics. I think maybe prince Charles has better taste.

I read this with amusement and agreement, yet felt the urge to jump a little to the Queen's defense. 

There's no doubt some of the Queen's private rooms are stuck in a time warp (in the unfortunately hideous mid-20th century style).  But here we have a Queen who grew up amid the austerity of the Great Depression, followed by the austerity of the second world war.  She was taught from an early age to economize and make do - well, in royal terms I mean. 

Then unfortunately for Her Majesty, there was only a brief period in the 1950s and 1960s when it was probably still possible for her to spend on redecoration, before the constant onslaught of public and Parliament demands for cost cutting since the 1970s.   And by then, Her Majesty and her husband had reached the age when poeple tend to become quite set in their ways, and used to their surroundings.

In recent articles about the pleas from the palace for additional palace maintenance funds, it was said that due to funding, many of the palace state rooms had not been redecorated since the Queen came to the throne in 1953.  Clearly, the same holds true for the private quarters.  But we also can't forget that redecorating palaces is not merely a matter of slapping a new coat of paint on the walls - it is an extremely expensive undertaking. 

As for the other royal families of Denmark, Sweden, Spain, etc., I don't believe I've ever seen photos of their private quarters - only their state rooms - and those seems relatively comparable to that of the British royal palaces.

And as for the Wessexes' rooms, well, there is no possible defense.  Oak veneer plywood shelving and headboards have no place in a royal palace - except possibly in the servants' quarters.  I saw a photo of the Duke of York's bedroom at BP once and it was not much better.  I refuse to believe there is not suitable furniture somewhere in storage on the royal estate that could brought into service. 

By the time Charles comes to the throne, the private quarters will have been sitting for nearly three-quarters of a century without being redone.  Unfortunately for him, there will be much howling at his "extravagance" when that project begins.
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Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on February 11, 2009, 07:23:17 PM
Attention:  "Nikola" and your Reply  # 787:   I think that you will find that the "black" statute  is a copy of Cellini's  "Perseus with the Head of Medusa."  Note the winged helmet.  In "David and Goliath," the head is on the ground, I believe.   Regards, AP
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Post by: alixaannencova on February 11, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
How interesting this is about the austere aspect of the Queen's breakfast table and other things about the private apartments! Funny, but I simply can not envisage Cookie would have had cereal served in tupperware at 'her' breakfast table! Cookie seems to have been anything but frugal!!!! Then again perhaps Cookie did not have cereal, probably had a side board of kedgeree, deviled kidneys, the whole caboodle all under silver lids set over spirit lamps a la Edwardian custom from 1923 until 2002!!!
   Perhaps Charles has picked up some of his more sybaritic tastes from Granny. Then again, Philip had a rather impoverished childhood didn't he, and that must have been reinforced during his time at notoriously austere Gordonstoun! Perhaps Charles rebelled when it came to his own home, preferring the comfy lavishness that Cookie probably surrounded herself with! Just a guess but I do wonder?


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Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 12, 2009, 07:57:56 AM
I suspect there is quite a bit of truth to that Alixannencova.  The Queen Mother was not known for austerity in any way, shape or form.  She was the product of having been the youngest child of a wealthy family, who came of age as war was ending and the roaring 20s was erupting.  I'm sure to a young sensitive Charles, who's own parents were usually away/busy, the Queen Mother was kind of like Auntie Mame to a young Patrick!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2009, 11:37:17 AM
Yes. It was reported that Cookie got extra coupons during the war for her clothes. She was at the lap of luxury. The economic side is more of the Queen's doing...
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Post by: Nikola on February 12, 2009, 12:17:47 PM
Virtual Rooms at New Website of the British Monarchy :)))

Buckingham palace the Grand Staircase and The White Drawing Room:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalResidences/BuckinghamPalace/VirtualRooms/Overview.aspx

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Post by: Nikola on February 12, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
The Grand Staircase is AMAZING!!!

http://www.royal.gov.uk/virtualtours/Flash%20Panoramas/flash_001.html
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Post by: Nikola on February 12, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
Also we can see the some rooms of the Windsor castle:

The Grand Staircase and the Grand Vestibule
The Waterloo Chamber
The Crimson Drawing Room

http://www.royal.gov.uk/TheRoyalResidences/WindsorCastle/VirtualRooms/Overview.aspx

Very interesting :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on February 12, 2009, 01:27:24 PM
I am able to access the virtual tours through Nikolas link, but not sure how to get there through the website...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 12, 2009, 01:41:17 PM
I am able to access the virtual tours through Nikolas link, but not sure how to get there through the website...

On the Monarchy site this links is not ready yet, I think that this will be on the "top page" very soon.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 12, 2009, 02:37:57 PM
Sigh, amazing to be able to get the perspective of standing in those rooms...... better than a floorplan - almost  ;D
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 12, 2009, 04:00:04 PM
Yes... so much more better.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 12, 2009, 06:39:37 PM
The virtual rooms are superb! Such a lure, one is greedy for more!!! Such a clever way to get one to want to visit and see the rest!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2009, 02:42:29 PM
Yes...the visit was well worth it !  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 16, 2009, 05:19:23 PM
I know I have asked before...but does anyone know where those lovely floor plans of Kensington Palace and St James's Palace have gone.....I am really sad that they have been removed and just wondered if there is a good reason why they have been taken off! Sorry, I know I am a bit of 'a dog with a bone' about those plans, but they were so fascinating and jolly useful for envisaging the apartments of various members of the RF!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2009, 09:59:45 AM
Maybe they are with the Royal Collections ? I am quite sure there maybe something in the archievs in Windsor...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 17, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
Interesting photos of Buckingham palace interiors, from game "Hidden Mysteries: Buckingham Palace".
Very interesing to see how State Rooms looking in this game:

Marble hall:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/5-1.jpg)

Picture Gallery:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/15.jpg)

Throne Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/16.jpg)

State Dinning Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/13.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 17, 2009, 10:14:58 AM
Green Drawing Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/14.jpg)

White Drawing Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/11.jpg)

Blue Drawing Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/12.jpg)

Ballroom:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/6.jpg)

Music Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/7.jpg)

Private Chapel:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/10.jpg)

Indian Room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/4.jpg)

Mrs. Knollis sitting room:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/1.jpg)

Garden:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Bakingem%20-%20igrica/3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2009, 11:02:59 AM
Wow ! Quite spectacular in 3-D.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RJ on February 17, 2009, 01:59:49 PM
I know I have asked before...but does anyone know where those lovely floor plans of Kensington Palace and St James's Palace have gone.....I am really sad that they have been removed and just wondered if there is a good reason why they have been taken off! Sorry, I know I am a bit of 'a dog with a bone' about those plans, but they were so fascinating and jolly useful for envisaging the apartments of various members of the RF!

I think I have the foorplans to St James's Palace somewhere. I'll check!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 17, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
I don't know if St James Palace is  still livable ? I think it is all offices now.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on February 18, 2009, 06:04:01 AM
I know I have asked before...but does anyone know where those lovely floor plans of Kensington Palace and St James's Palace have gone.....I am really sad that they have been removed and just wondered if there is a good reason why they have been taken off! Sorry, I know I am a bit of 'a dog with a bone' about those plans, but they were so fascinating and jolly useful for envisaging the apartments of various members of the RF!

I think I have the foorplans to St James's Palace somewhere. I'll check!

thankyou so much
i would love to see them
i have metioned before that they seem almost impossible to come across.
maybe as it is the senior palace and the headquaters of the monarchy that not much info is gven about it.
cheers anyway.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on February 18, 2009, 06:09:01 AM
princess alexandra and princess anne still have apartments in st james's palace.
there are state rooms within it too.
mainly the throne room is used during official investitures.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2009, 02:45:39 PM
That I have to see. St James is the least known of the Royal residences.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 19, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
From the floor plans I've seen (which used to be posted here - I believe I saved them on my computer at home - I'll check tonight) St. James is quite a rambling and oddly planned palace, with various ranges/wings built around several courtyards.  It has been expanded over time, with sets of apartments added on here and there.  Then, in 1809 the King's private apartments at the southeast corner were lost to fire.  They were not rebuilt, leaving the Queen's Chapel separated from the rest of the palace, wtih Marlborough Road now running between the two buildings. 

My recollection is that the present State Apartments lie mostly in the wing facing south toward the Mall (extending east from Clarence House), and that the wing known as York House (where Charles lived right after his separation from Diana) is on the opposite (north) side.  Apart from the State Apartments, and those occupied by the Princess Royal and Princess Alexandria, the rest of the place houses offices and staff.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Would love to see some pics...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 19, 2009, 06:06:14 PM
Please,Can any tell me Who is on this small portraits, which located in the White Drawing Room (above doors) at Buckingham palace???

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/3pbmp.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2pbmp.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1pbmp.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 19, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
I think the man with amour and lady were the Duke (James II)  and Duchess of York (Anne Hyde). The Duchess's portrait was based on the one by Lely.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 19, 2009, 07:59:53 PM
You have the painter right Eric, but the woman in the portrait is not identified as Anne Hyde but rather as 'Portrait of a Lady' 1658 -1660 it is on the Royal Collection website. At least I am assuming they are the same portrait as they do very alike! Don't know about the male sitters though...but will take a look and see if I can find anything that matches!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 20, 2009, 02:19:54 PM
The Royal Collection had quite a few Charles II period paintings of ladies by Lely. I saw a whole gallery of it when I was in Hampton Court. Don't know about the man in clergy clothes.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 20, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
The "Portrait of a lady":
(http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/405363.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/1pbmp.jpg)
I think that this lady isn't Anne Hyde, because Royal Collection Web Site no mention who is this lady, probably this is unknown person, but we have a name of the artist "Sir Peter Lely" and the date of this portrait. Very interesting to see how rectangular painting look like in circle frame.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 20, 2009, 05:05:27 PM
I can't found any portrait of the king James II who look like the portrait on the White Drawing Room.
Eric do you sure that this portrait shows king James II?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2pbmp.jpg



Alix thanks very much for help to found one of this portraits :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RJ on February 21, 2009, 06:27:18 AM
I've found a number of floorplans of St James's Palace; the most interesting ones are one of 1841 (entire palace) and one of 1990 (state apartments only).

Could someone explain how I can insert images?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 21, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
I can't found any portrait of the king James II who look like the portrait on the White Drawing Room.
Eric do you sure that this portrait shows king James II?


I think it was another one of his guesses  ;)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 21, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
If they Lely portrait was Anne Hyde, then it is possible that it would be matched by James II, who was Duke of York then. The photo is too small to be sure in all honesty.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 21, 2009, 03:50:16 PM
If they Lely portrait was Anne Hyde, then it is possible that it would be matched by James II, who was Duke of York then. The photo is too small to be sure in all honesty.
I think the man with amour and lady were the Duke (James II)  and Duchess of York (Anne Hyde). The Duchess's portrait was based on the one by Lely.

As we have established that the Royal Collection itself does not catalogue the sitter in either portrait as James and Anne, Duke and Duchess of York, who are we to dispute the fact Eric! To be honest with you, neither sitter looks like James or Anne. For a start, James was quite fair and the male sitter is swarthy and dark haired. Could you please explain the comment "The Duchess's portrait was based on the one by Lely.' please, as I wonder where you got this 'fact' from? If  one can not provide sources when one makes such 'knowledgeable' statements, one should word one's contributions more carefully, without giving the impression that what one writes is 'not' in such cases, pure speculation/ personal opinion! I look forward to clarification of your sources with interest. Unless you were just saying that you thought the female sitter was Anne, based on another likeness of Anne by Lely that you have seen.



 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 21, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
As we have established that the Royal Collection itself does not catalogue the sitter in either portrait as James and Anne, Duke and Duchess of York, who are we to dispute the fact Eric! To be honest with you, neither sitter looks like James or Anne. For a start, James was quite fair and the male sitter is swarthy and dark haired. Could you please explain the comment "The Duchess's portrait was based on the one by Lely.' please, as I wonder where you got this 'fact' from? If  one can not provide sources when one makes such 'knowledgeable' statements, one should word one's contributions more carefully, without giving the impression that what one writes is 'not' in such cases, pure speculation/ personal opinion! I look forward to clarification of your sources with interest. Unless you were just saying that you thought the female sitter was Anne, based on another likeness of Anne by Lely that you have seen.

You are right Alix.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 22, 2009, 03:24:52 PM
Without the official confirmation we can never be sure. So I think we should drop the subject unless someone has excess. To be honest even in the auction houses of Sotheby & Christie, pictures were often listed as " said to be so & so". I have studied in Sotheby's Institute of art in London, So I know.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 22, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Fact - The picture in question is called 'Portrait of a Lady'.
Fact - The Royal Collection staff have not labelled the painting 'said to be Anne  Hyde, Duchess of York.' on their website.
Fact - Eric suggested/stated the sitter was Anne Hyde, but has yet to explain his comment "The Duchess's portrait was based on the one by Lely."
Personal Speculation - The Royal Collection staff probably do not like hazarding guesses about the identity of sitters, and no doubt never do without 'sound' historical 'evidence'. More likely is that they leave that sort of thing to amateurs and auctioneers. The latter no doubt add identifications such as 'said to be...' when feasible in order to make lots more appealing especially if the named sitter is titled or famous.....it probably adds kudos. I hardly think the Royal Collection needs to add 'Said to be..' labels unless it has some historical basis... after all the collection is maintained as part of a heritable trust, which is hardly comparable to how an auction house is run, is it? 

By the way, my comments about auctioneers are not facts either, but just another personal speculation as I have no personal experience of what goes on behind the scenes at auction houses!

 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 22, 2009, 08:51:33 PM
By the way Nikola...I am still working on getting more details on the sitters and appreciate  your support, I may draw a blank but I am exploring avenues and hope to have something positive or negative soon!


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 22, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
By the way Nikola...I am still working on getting more details on the sitters and appreciate  your support, I may draw a blank but I am exploring avenues and hope to have something positive or negative soon!




Alix thanks very much for help. I hope that we will found positive informations. I know that is a very complicate to found this informations.
Than you so much for your support.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2009, 03:23:29 PM
Information that cannot be substantiated are just speculation. I think the painter is Lely as I saw quite a few of his painting and notice a style. Good luck but I doubt you will find more with that kind of attitude. Sometimes people have to stick their neck out and make a colculated guess.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 23, 2009, 03:35:35 PM
No one is disputing the identity of the artist! We all know the painter is identified as Lely...what we were wondering about was the sitter and where your statement 'The Duchess's portrait is based on the one by Lely' came from? I take it then, that you made a calculated guess then? If so, fine, I'm glad we've cleared that one up after several posts too many!

Your opinion about 'that kind of attitude' is your own, everyone is entitled to one. I have plenty of opinions too!!! But they are not IMHO of much use in a historiographical context!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
Well...Have you seen the Lely painting of Anne Hyde ? I have and I think it is her. It is also logical to put royal portraits in a palace, and not one of a lady in waiting. You can put in your two cents too. But you didn't and but chose to questions others who did. That is the problem. I agree without documentation they can not be fully identified for sure.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 23, 2009, 04:12:11 PM
I have seen a portrait of Anne in the collection yes! I assume you are referring to the one of her with her hair loose?

Fine, you made a calculated guess after comparing the two! Every one is entitled to an opinion....I misunderstood your original comment about 'The Duchess's portrait is based on the one by Lely.' believing you had stronger grounds on which to refer to the portrait in question in the White Drawing Room as 'The Duchess's portrait...' It was just the way you worded it perhaps!

As to my proffering an opinion as to the sitter's identity, I am loathe to speculate without some reasonable evidence upon which to base any opinion, but am at liberty to ponder and query suggestions made by others. Anyway perhaps something may come to light soon on this subject in due course.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 23, 2009, 04:34:04 PM
I understand. But without a culcuated guess to begin with, it is hard to get the search started. There is no shame in getting it wrong as even the best expert on art and history got it wrong sometimes. I made a lot of assumtions at the begining of my research, but as they go along I see them challenged and revised as more evidence came to light.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Mari on February 23, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
I am curious...see what you think about this.... as the Gentleman with the red scarf around his arm in armor which means it is a Van Dyck and titled
Portrait of a Man in Armor with Red Scarf !

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/William_II_Prince_of_Orange_and_Princess_Henrietta_Mary_Stuart_daughter_of_Charles_I_of_England_1641.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/Anthony_Van_Dyck.htm&usg=__j86ZX6jY0_tufczWCECrV1ym2Ng=&h=590&w=431&sz=84&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=Q-Qp3edcmY4V6M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVan%2Bdyck%2Bof%2BMary%2BII%2Bof%2BEngland%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 23, 2009, 07:16:48 PM
Mari...you are clever! It really does look like the same picture. The light on the armour and the lines of the scarf are very, very similar in particular! I can not find it in the Royal Collection e.gallery which is a little odd!

I have been pondering the use of head gear in the moulding above the each portrait too. The one above the Clergyman looks like a mitre, that above 'Portrait of a Lady' is very hard to make out and could be either a royal or a ducal or even a marquessate coronet and that above the man (Probably Potrait of a Man in armour with a Red Scarf!) looks like an Imperial crown!!! Perhaps originally, when the portraits were hung within the frames, the portrait of the man had been misidentified as a member of the Habsburg dynasty hence the Imperial crown motif! How interesting!!! Jolly admirably investigations by you! I wonder what every one else will think of your suggestion?

 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 23, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
The Van Dyck 'Portrait of a Man in armour with a red scarf' is in the Gemaldegalerie in Dresden. Perhaps the White drawing room portrait is a copy!


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 24, 2009, 01:21:30 PM
I am curious...see what you think about this.... as the Gentleman with the red scarf around his arm in armor which means it is a Van Dyck and titled
Portrait of a Man in Armor with Red Scarf !

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/William_II_Prince_of_Orange_and_Princess_Henrietta_Mary_Stuart_daughter_of_Charles_I_of_England_1641.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/Anthony_Van_Dyck.htm&usg=__j86ZX6jY0_tufczWCECrV1ym2Ng=&h=590&w=431&sz=84&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=Q-Qp3edcmY4V6M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVan%2Bdyck%2Bof%2BMary%2BII%2Bof%2BEngland%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG



Wow thanks very much Mari for help.
I think that this is portrait which we searched :)

But how Alixa told (thanks Alixa and you so much), this portrait located in the Gemaldegalerie in Dresden, probably portrait in the White drawing Room is a copy or maybe similar painting, but how we can see this two portraits are same.

(http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/Portrait_of_a_Man_in_Armor_with_Red_Scarf_1625_27.jpg)  (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/2pbmp.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 24, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
Better comparasion:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/125-1.jpg)

This two portraits are same.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 24, 2009, 01:50:31 PM
It really is wonderful what we can do when we all work together in research! I wonder if we will ever find out who the clergyman is?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 24, 2009, 03:07:00 PM
It really is wonderful what we can do when we all work together in research! I wonder if we will ever find out who the clergyman is?

Yes it is wonderful :)
I trying to find third portrait, but it is a really hard work and I don't have positive result :(
I hope that someone of us will find out who is on the third portrait.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 24, 2009, 07:10:39 PM
We found informations about two mystery portraits from The White Drawing Room. I hope that someone of us will find out who is on the third portrait.


I have another mystery painting:
I found informations on Royal Collection web site about all portraits and paintings from The Green Drawing Room at Buckingham palace, but on Royal Collection website I can’t found (because site haven't informations) about only one painting. Please, any help about who is on this portrait and about artist?

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/GreenRoom1.jpg) (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/GreenRoom2.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 25, 2009, 05:11:56 PM
I agree I find the portrait of a clergyman in the palace problemetic.

The new mystery photo looks like George III. But it could be a cousin. It really hard as one have to know the paintings from foreign collection to see a match.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on February 25, 2009, 08:44:06 PM
Does anyone have a copy of Buckingham Palace: The Official Illustrated History by John Martin Robinson? The portraits in the Green Drawing Room may be listed in that book.

I searched the web for information on portraits in that room, but alas all the information out there was the same...it's the anteroom to the Throne Room.

I'm with Mr. Lowe...I'm thinking it is a portrait of HM King George III...at least it resembles George III.

Regards,

RoyalWatcher
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2009, 05:21:27 PM
I agree. The time period and clothes are from the George III period. When was that book published.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on February 26, 2009, 10:38:08 PM
The publish date seems to be a bit elusive as some of the websites offering the book say 2001 while many others say June 2004.

Regards
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 26, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
I suggest that anyone serious about identifying the subject refer to a list of all Knights of the Garter invested or installed between 1740 - 1801! There aren't as many as one would expect...! As the subject is a knight of that order according to his robes, it does narrow the field of possibilities somewhat! Good luck!



Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 27, 2009, 08:59:55 AM
Does anyone have a copy of Buckingham Palace: The Official Illustrated History by John Martin Robinson? The portraits in the Green Drawing Room may be listed in that book. I searched the web for information on portraits in that room, but alas all the information out there was the same...it's the anteroom to the Throne Room. I'm with Mr. Lowe...I'm thinking it is a portrait of HM King George III...at least it resembles George III.

Well, I don't have the book you referenced, but checked my Official Guidebook of BP, which is a few years old.  It lists the furniture, artwork and sculpture in each state room.  I can't really tell which particular wall that picture hangs on in the room, and I don't know if the art has been rearrainged since my book was published.  So, I'll just list out the pictures that the book says, and maybe someone more knowledgable about art than I can choose the likely culprit.

Paintings hanging in the Green Drawing Room starting at the SE corner and working clockwise
SE wall:  Studio of Allan Ramsay:  Augusta, Princess of Wales c. 1764
Over door to Guard Room:  German School:  Frederick Henry, Charles Louis and Elizabeth (children of Frederick V and Elizabeth of Bohemia) c. 1620
SW wall:  Nathaniel Dance:  Edward Augustus, Duke of York (brother of George III)), 1764
Over door to Picture Gallery:  John Michael Wright:  James, Duke of Cambridge son of James II) 1666
NW wall:  Francis Cotes:  Princess Louisa Ann and Caroline Matilda (later Queen of Denmark, sisters of George III) 1767
Over door to Throne Room:  Sofonisba Anguissola (attrib):  Isabella Clara Eugenia and Catharina (daughter of Phillip II of Spain) c. 1569
NE wall:  Sir Martin Archer Shee:  Richard, Marquess Wellesley (brother of 1st Duke of Wellington when Lord Steward of Household) c. 1832

Given the size of the photo in question, it's not one of the ones over the doors - and clearly not female.  So, that leaves Augustus Duke of York or Marquess Wellesley.  I'm betting the Duke of York.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
Sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on February 27, 2009, 10:37:28 AM
Most excellent, Chris!!! Thank you.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2009, 11:11:02 AM
If we can confirm it with a photo. That would be perfect.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 27, 2009, 12:09:10 PM
Chris you are a treasure to have listed to all the portraits like that....Thank you! What an interesting miscellany of portraits spanning more that two centuries in date, hanging in one room!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: PAVLOV on February 27, 2009, 01:30:20 PM
Yes he clearly does, the interiors appeared recently in Architectural Digest and were really beautiful. And I dont think the Queen of England is so hard up that she cant afford to do a bit of renovating. Taste has never had anything to do with money.  Actually bad taste can be quite amusing sometimes, its just that they clearly have no taste at all.  Yes she grew up during the depression / war years, and it shows! !But she has had 60 + years to get over it ! Maybe it adds a bit of normality to their lives.
I was brought up in a British  "Colonial"  family, so I am very pro Royal family, but am just a bit amazed by these rooms.
I dont know if anyone remembers the drawing room on the Brittannia.................same thing. All that 50's Swedish stick furniture mixed with chintzy English country house floral sofas, anyway I suppose they can live anyway they choose. Just find it very strange
They must have storerooms of gorgeous furniture at their disposal.
The mind boggles when one thinks of what the back rooms at Sandringham and Balmoral look like!
The British Royals are a bit eccentric I suppose, and that is part of what makes them so interesting.
         
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on February 27, 2009, 01:38:31 PM

Well, I don't have the book you referenced, but checked my Official Guidebook of BP, which is a few years old.  It lists the furniture, artwork and sculpture in each state room.  I can't really tell which particular wall that picture hangs on in the room, and I don't know if the art has been rearrainged since my book was published.  So, I'll just list out the pictures that the book says, and maybe someone more knowledgable about art than I can choose the likely culprit.

Paintings hanging in the Green Drawing Room starting at the SE corner and working clockwise
SE wall:  Studio of Allan Ramsay:  Augusta, Princess of Wales c. 1764
Over door to Guard Room:  German School:  Frederick Henry, Charles Louis and Elizabeth (children of Frederick V and Elizabeth of Bohemia) c. 1620
SW wall:  Nathaniel Dance:  Edward Augustus, Duke of York (brother of George III)), 1764
Over door to Picture Gallery:  John Michael Wright:  James, Duke of Cambridge son of James II) 1666
NW wall:  Francis Cotes:  Princess Louisa Ann and Caroline Matilda (later Queen of Denmark, sisters of George III) 1767
Over door to Throne Room:  Sofonisba Anguissola (attrib):  Isabella Clara Eugenia and Catharina (daughter of Phillip II of Spain) c. 1569
NE wall:  Sir Martin Archer Shee:  Richard, Marquess Wellesley (brother of 1st Duke of Wellington when Lord Steward of Household) c. 1832

Given the size of the photo in question, it's not one of the ones over the doors - and clearly not female.  So, that leaves Augustus Duke of York or Marquess Wellesley.  I'm betting the Duke of York.

Excellent, Chris!!!
Thanks very very much for help and informations. You really help so much.
On mystery portrait is Edward Augustus, Duke of York :) Thanks so much for informations.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 27, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
This is about royal interiors but it is a little quirky!!!

I often muse how cold the state rooms must have been in QV's reign! Am I right to assume that there is concealed central heating arranged discreetly behind grills now?

As children we used to go and stay at houses where in the summer the rooms were always cool, even in really hot weather, but where in the winter, even with crackling fires in fireplaces big enough to accommodate a pair of arms chairs and a table between, large rooms were still absolutely freezing a few feet away from the hearth. Anyway, I do wonder about heating arrangements in the royal residences. I mean I have friends who live or who were brought up in huge houses and they never seem to notice the cold. It gives me an idea of an alternative meaning for the expression 'blue blooded' as opposed to the one about spaniards with white skin and visible veins!!! Perhaps translucent white skin and visible veins is a trait in people reared in cold houses!

I ponder this 'cold' element as I compare the climate in England to say Russia....The state rooms at the Winter Palace must have been arctic! Even with stoves scattered about and masses of candles.... no wonder every one liked dancing such a lot!!! And when you think of all those decollete gowns, it must have torment to have been a wall flower, shivering away in the corner with a gaggle of dowagers, more adequately covered up in their evening weeds, cooling the air even more with the beating there fans in tempo with the orchestra . No wonder every one felt sorry for such unfortunate gels! I suppose with all those people crowded around, the body heat must have helped to warm the rooms too.....but I do wonder!




Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on February 27, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
Pavlov, do you recall what issue of Architectural Digest the Palace was in recently?  I'd like to see the photos.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
You mean Buck House ? I only have the issues on Clarence House and Wolfsgarten.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on February 27, 2009, 11:05:37 PM
You will find that the state rooms of the royal residences are beautiful but there private rooms are not so beautiful, they probably do want to do a bit of redecoration but they fear the public reaction.
Britain has become an extremely depressed nation through the faults of our government so the royals get scrutinized every time they spend their own money, which may is add is NOT made up of the peoples taxes, the funds the queen receives to cover her duties as head of state do not enter her private account and are not used to be spent at her personal disposal, but the public do not realise this.
people generally think that the queen is rich through our tax money which she is not as I just stated, so because people think this they oppose any spending the royals do whether it be private money (their own) or public money (the civil list).
This is probably why there private chambers are not so nice.
There’s even more proof of this with the fact that the state apartments have not seen a lick of paint since the late 40s
And there’s even more proof of this with the fire at Windsor castle.
I fully supported my tax money going towards repairing one of my countries many great artefacts’ and I even thought of it as an honour and I would of been proud to see our tax money producing the fantastic results that came, but the vile media caused an uproar amongst the public when the fire happened and they printed so much shit making everyone turn against the idea so parliament decided not to fund the restoration and funds had to be raised elsewhere.
It was almost as if the public would of rather seen Windsor castle left as a burning pile of rubble rather than the 1000 year old fortress which pumps millions into the local economy restored to its former grandeur......well that’s how it came across to me.

the same thing is now happening with Buckingham Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 27, 2009, 11:31:09 PM
I see your point Traditionist, but I would like to clarify one point. In 1993 Buckingham Palace was opened to paying visitors and as fas as I can ascertain parliamentary subsidies were subsequently frozen for maintenance etc. I assume this was in some way agreed to in committee at the time of the issues over the restoration of Windsor apropos of where future revenues would be used after the restoration was completed. After all BP has dealt with successive governments over such issues for centuries so they must have thought ahead, surely?


Perhaps at the time Parliament felt that the revenues after the restoration was completed could have been used to carry out real maintenance and restoration projects at BP. If so, that would mean nearly tewlve successive years of restoration based on the completion of works at Windsor, that could have followed, but in this instance it do not seem to have done.
 
When the restoration of Windsor was completed I gather the revenues from opening BP were subsequently diverted to help maintain BP and other residences. Now, if we look at the amount of revenues that BP has generated and what Parliament 'may' have agreed to provide for 'maintenance' had BP never been opened, is it not feasible to conject, that the revenues from opening are more than the revenues that Parliament may have agreed to part with annually? In consequence I ask myslef where the revenues from opening BP have gone since 1997 or thereafter... evidently not toward essential maintenance as far as BP is now admitting evidently and as we can all see/read of the dire state of affairs there!!! So where do the revenues go? I tend to think that this moot point is what this whole fiasco is really about...the Government wanting accountability!

What I am pondering here is that having bitten the bullet and opened the palace to the paying public and taken the money, the monarchy is now grumbling about having lost a subsidy during the ensuing period which Parliament regarded at that time (1993/4) as unnecessary and still seems to still adhere to. Perhaps the elected government saw the opening of the palace as a way of forcing the palace to earmark the 'future' revenues rather than 'lose' them in 'expenses' that would subsequently have become unaccountable in the murk of royal finances once the restoration was completed.

The Palace should be paying its way like any other building/home as a heritable site surely? Or at least trying to...as it does now!

Perhaps it is time for a one off payment to be made!

Had the fire at Windsor not occurred, I do ponder how long it would have been before BP would have had to start generating some income for itself and subsequently opened!

 

   
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
That is a touchy subject especially in a recession. I think public money can still be used for places that the public can excess and enjoy. The private homes of the royals cannot expect the same kind of indulgence any more. When Clarence House was renovated using public money, it cause dissatifaction among the people. Since only Prince Charles, Camilla and the Princes can enjoy the improvments...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 28, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
Good point Eric...I think access is very much part of the issue here! Now that BP has been open annually for so long...IMHO I feel that the Government could go some way to meet BP over the huge restoration bill. I do still wonder though, about why none of the revenues post 1997 from the opening of the palace were not allocated in part to be used to at least start restoration works...then at least, the Government would have had to acknowledge that BP was making an effort to implement a program of essential restorative works rather than waiting until the story of metaphorical 'bitch slapping' between BP and the Government really flared up in earnest last year over the dire situation at BP.


With regards to my response to Traditionalist I note I used 'maintenance' rather than 'restoration' in places...sorry! I do wonder that at the time of BP opening and the issues over footing the bill for the restoration of Windsor, why it could not have been settled that BP is in a separate category to Windsor altogether, and that perhaps the subsequent freed up revenues from the opening of BP could have provided an income secured against a 'loan', which could have been arranged for future restoration works at BP. One gets the impression that the establishment was perhaps a little unhappy when the Government said no to footing the bill for Windsor, but then it appears that neither party secured their position over the revenues from BP subsequent to the completion of works at Windsor. BP is now deigning to behave in a way akin to throwing 'hissy fits' about it and the Government seems to be responding in kind! Both were probably at fault at the conception of this issue over funds.

Perhaps the Government will move to agree to a rise in privy purse subsidies if the extra funds go exclusively toward maintenance and then the visitor revenues can be allocated to bankroll the massive restoration project over a period of time...then at least the Government would be have the transparency it quite rightly demands, as to where money is actually going.

As another bit of 'throwing oil on the water' so to speak...I do wonder about John Major's pledge to provide funds for a replacement yacht. This was subsequently dropped by 'Tony' and his government. It appears that BP may have been caught off guard by the change in Government in this instance, not that I am suggesting that the issue of a new yacht had anything to do with the issues over restoring Windsor and the future use of revenues of BP, but it may be an avenue to be explored.

I hope this makes sense..... it does in my head, but on 'paper' so to speak I wonder if it all sounds a bit too rhetorical...sorry if it does!
 

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 02:47:25 PM
I agree. Although I am afaid that protecting heritage may not be the most pressing thing in politician's mind at this time. The banks and mortage situation would be more focused at this point.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on February 28, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
I see your point Traditionist, but I would like to clarify one point. In 1993 Buckingham Palace was opened to paying visitors and as fas as I can ascertain parliamentary subsidies were subsequently frozen for maintenance etc. I assume this was in some way agreed to in committee at the time of the issues over the restoration of Windsor apropos of where future revenues would be used after the restoration was completed. After all BP has dealt with successive governments over such issues for centuries so they must have thought ahead, surely?


Perhaps at the time Parliament felt that the revenues after the restoration was completed could have been used to carry out real maintenance and restoration projects at BP. If so, that would mean nearly tewlve successive years of restoration based on the completion of works at Windsor, that could have followed, but in this instance it do not seem to have done.
 
When the restoration of Windsor was completed I gather the revenues from opening BP were subsequently diverted to help maintain BP and other residences. Now, if we look at the amount of revenues that BP has generated and what Parliament 'may' have agreed to provide for 'maintenance' had BP never been opened, is it not feasible to conject, that the revenues from opening are more than the revenues that Parliament may have agreed to part with annually? In consequence I ask myslef where the revenues from opening BP have gone since 1997 or thereafter... evidently not toward essential maintenance as far as BP is now admitting evidently and as we can all see/read of the dire state of affairs there!!! So where do the revenues go? I tend to think that this moot point is what this whole fiasco is really about...the Government wanting accountability!

What I am pondering here is that having bitten the bullet and opened the palace to the paying public and taken the money, the monarchy is now grumbling about having lost a subsidy during the ensuing period which Parliament regarded at that time (1993/4) as unnecessary and still seems to still adhere to. Perhaps the elected government saw the opening of the palace as a way of forcing the palace to earmark the 'future' revenues rather than 'lose' them in 'expenses' that would subsequently have become unaccountable in the murk of royal finances once the restoration was completed.

The Palace should be paying its way like any other building/home as a heritable site surely? Or at least trying to...as it does now!

Perhaps it is time for a one off payment to be made!

Had the fire at Windsor not occurred, I do ponder how long it would have been before BP would have had to start generating some income for itself and subsequently opened!

 

   

I can see what you’re saying but there is a reason for this.
Since 1997 (when the work to Windsor was completed) the revenue that is raised from people visiting BP has gone towards maintaining the royal collection.
Priceless pieces of art and furniture which are hundreds of years old are costly to maintain as they need to be constantly looked over, repaired,  moved around and so on.
Plus many pieces do not stay in the same place for a long period of time, many pieces are used temporarily to from parts of exhibitions so they must be cleaned and they must be looking their best beforehand.
All items of the royal collection fall under this no matter where they are it’s not just the pieces at Buckingham palace that rely on this money its  every piece of the entire collection whether they be a BP, Windsor, Kensington, Clarence house or wherever else pieces are based ,the money maintains the WHOLE collection.
The tourist revenue from Windsor castle goes towards maintaining the castle though (I think Windsor’s maintenance bill is around £5 million a year).
So using the money that is raised through people visiting BP for repairs and redecoration to the palace over a certain number of years would be a good idea, but they would have to find a way of raising the other £6million needed for the royal collection.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 28, 2009, 06:08:43 PM
Thank you Traditionalist, I did not know that the revenues post 1997 were earmarked for the Royal Collection. With regards to the 'freezing' of subsidies for maintenance as mentioned earlier, I would just like to make clear that no money was taken away from the privy purse for such purposes as far as I can work out, from 1992 to 1993 - it appears the 'freeze' was inflationary increases thereafter. 

Also, where does/did the revenues from the Queen's Gallery go? Does that go direct to the Royal Collection too?

 What I would like to know is, which is more important the maintenance of the royal collection or BP, and who made the decision to earmark the revenues thus? It seems a rather obliquely odd decision to have made in light of the state of  the fabric of BP as it stands today! I mean surely BP realized that these question would arise about priorities eg: restoring a masterpieces, moving furniture about or getting the roof  (or at least a bit of it at a time anyway) re-leaded!!!! Even the layman of which I am one, can see that is odd!

It seems somewhat short sighted, that no one thought to ear mark the revenues post '97 to what is now regarded as so essential... perhaps BP could have gone and could now go some way to re-direct the revenues more appropriately, maybe toward helping to solve the present crisis as it is portrayed in the media and perhaps delay having another piece of Chippendale reupholstered or another Poussin cleaned. Surely, its the environment in which these precious artifacts are housed that needs the attention more urgently!

Perhaps it would be simpler to 'nationalize' the Royal Collection all together... or is it already the property of the nation...I can never quite tell?

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 06:48:49 PM
I think the nationalistation would make the use of public money more acceptable. Remember when Windsor was burnt, the people were up against paying for it. It is why do we have to pay for "her house" ! I think Balmoral and Sandringham were the Queen's "private" property and the public should not be paid for it. I don't know about St. James, Clarence House and Kensington Palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 28, 2009, 07:17:16 PM
Historic Royal Palaces administers Kew Palace, Hampton Court, Palace, Kensington Palace the Tower of London and the Banqueting Hall at Whitehall. HRP sounds nice and national in status but I am unsure who are the de facto owners of the properties - government or crown, crown or government, it is all still very unclear to me anyway!!!!! Perhaps that is the way it is supposed to be! If HRP 'owns' the properties I would love to see who the chief shareholders are!

I believe that the issue of resident members of the royal family living within at KP was one of the chief reasons for the spat between the Government and BP over rents etc several years ago!

I would love some clarification of who owns what within these palaces, such as the paintings, furnishings etc...those on display anyway.

I do not recall such an outcry about the footing of the bill when Hampton Court was damaged compared to that which erupted when Windsor succumbed! But then the public are fickle in such matters. But I still do not know who actually owned Windsor at the time.... even now I think this may still be rather ambiguous and is similar to the status of BP itself!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 07:21:11 PM
Don't know who owned White Lodge and Frogmore (rumoured to be aretirement home for prince Philip if he survives the Queen). Indeed. Kensington Palace was owed by the Queen.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 28, 2009, 07:31:10 PM
Windsor Home Part...hmmmm...another one of those odd ones but I would hazard the Crown. But then perhaps HM as head of state 'owns' such properties as the personification of the crown! I would say the same thing applies to White Lodge...I guess the money goes via the treasury in a fashion similar to the  revenues of the Duchy of Lancaster perhaps! It is terribly complicated unless you know how to go about finding answers to such things! I wonder sometimes whether either BP or Government really know the legitimate laws, policies governing many pieces of Crown property and who actually owns it etc! It may come down to committees waving ancient codicils and rolls about when questions are raised, perhaps then, each side thinks twice about questioning the status quo too thoroughly, in case the other side has something up its metaphorical sleeve! Just a mere musing but I could see it as feasible in those hallowed oak paneled chambers set aside for such meeting in Westminster!

 Oooh there is another one...the Palace of Westminster...who owns that? In fact one doesn't here of MPs grumbling about maintenance in their palace, does one? Although Derry Irvine's choice of wall paper did cause a bit of stir! Imagine if HM had dared do such a thing!!!!

But as the Crown is personified by the reigning monarch...the legalities with regards to Crown Estates are cast in parchment, wax seals and goodness knows what! A separate thread altogether I think!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on February 28, 2009, 08:33:23 PM
I think the nationalistation would make the use of public money more acceptable. Remember when Windsor was burnt, the people were up against paying for it. It is why do we have to pay for "her house" ! I think Balmoral and Sandringham were the Queen's "private" property and the public should not be paid for it. I don't know about St. James, Clarence House and Kensington Palace.

Exactly my point.
People don’t understand what does belong to HM and what does not.
Sandringham and Balmoral are her own personal property and it would be her responsibility to provide funding if anything happened at either residence.
Windsor however does not belong to the queen it is an official residence of the British head of state and is a residence also for the 300 staff.
Plus another thing people don’t understand is how much of the official buildings they use.
People seem to think that the royals have all of Windsor’s 1500 rooms and all of BP 775 rooms all to themselves which is not true they reside in their own apartments within.
70% of BP is offices storage areas and staff bedrooms and I imagine it’s the same at Windsor.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on February 28, 2009, 08:44:15 PM
Yes, the Crown owns each of the historic royal palaces.  According to the HRP's website, HRP manages the unoccupied royal palaces "which are owned by the Queen on behalf of the Nation".  HRP does not receive any funding from the Crown or the Government.  It is a self-supporting charity.  Note:  Kensington is an oddity because part of it (the State Apartments) are run by HRP - but the rest (the private side) is managed by the Royal Household.

Windsor Home Park is the private park of Windsor Castle, and like the castle itself is also owned by the Crown.  The Windsor estate covers around 6,300 hectares and includes Windsor Great Park, Home Park, the Savill and Valley Gardens, residential properties and some commercial properties including Berkshire and Swinley Forest golf clubs, Ascot Racecourse, Smith’s Lawn, two let farms and almost 3,200 hectares of forest.  It is currently valued at £173 million, representing 2.5% of the total property value of The Crown Estate. In 2007/08 the cost of maintaining the Estate was £7.9 million; this was offset by income from commercial and residential property (£4.8 million), and from agriculture and forestry (£1 million).  So, the maintenance of the Windsor Estate is a net loss to the Crown of around £2.1 million.

White Lodge in Richmond Park is also owned by the Crown.  In 1955, the Queen granted permanent occupancy of the Lodge to the Royal Ballet School, established by Royal Charter.

And St. James Palace (including Clarence House) are also owned - and occupied - by the Crown, the same as BP.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on February 28, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
I think the nationalistation would make the use of public money more acceptable. Remember when Windsor was burnt, the people were up against paying for it. It is why do we have to pay for "her house" ! I think Balmoral and Sandringham were the Queen's "private" property and the public should not be paid for it. I don't know about St. James, Clarence House and Kensington Palace.



Exactly my point.
People don’t understand what does belong to HM and what does not.
Sandringham and Balmoral are her own personal property and it would be her responsibility to provide funding if anything happened at either residence.
Windsor however does not belong to the queen it is an official residence of the British head of state and is a residence also for the 300 staff.
Plus another thing people don’t understand is how much of the official buildings they use.
People seem to think that the royals have all of Windsor’s 1500 rooms and all of BP 775 rooms all to themselves which is not true they reside in their own apartments within.
70% of BP is offices storage areas and staff bedrooms and I imagine it’s the same at Windsor.


I, for one do not fully understand the seeming chicanery of who actually owns Windsor and BP! Balmoral and Sandringham are easy to compartmentalize.....but Windsor and BP remain a mystery to me! Crown, nation, Government....it is a quagmire!


The government refused to pay after the fire at Windsor.....this sounds to me as though the government was implying that 'it', as an elected governing body was not responsible for paying for restoration, the reaction garnered from national consensus exemplified that the nation felt that it did not 'own' the castle either. Therefore as HM acquiesced and footed the bill herself.. one may assume that the castle 'belongs' to the Queen personally as she paid for the repairs personally. Or at least it should now belong to HM, considering how money she or rather the Royal finances seem to have poured into the restoration. Then again, do revenues from the opening of BP count as privy purse income now? I wonder, as again one tries to comprehend the murk of royal finances...once you start look it gets decidedly murky!

This still leaves the status of BP unresolved today! I did not bring this issue up...but I would love to see some sort of explanation/clarification of the subject matter if at all possible.

The issue over repairs at BP and the lack of transparency in Royal finances leaves the question unanswered with regards to revenues post '97 and why BP chose not to use the monies more pertinently on restoration projects rather than having old masters cleaned, Sheraton settees and what not reupholstered, faberge trinkets rearranged etc etc. In addition I recall someone bemoaning the fact that the state rooms hadn't been painted since the 1940s!

Which is more important:- rearranging trinkets, cleaning portraits and upholstering furnishings, re - painting walls in state rooms, or would it be the preservation of the very fabric of the building in which these precious pieces are housed?.

I probably sound facetious I know..... but I do wonder who was responsible for choosing to pledge revenues to the Royal Collection instead of to restoration projects. If there is someone to blame in this situation...it is the person who made that particular choice surely? I somehow doubt it was a member of the sitting government of the day who persuaded BP to agree this policy!



Any idea about Westminster Chris?


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 01, 2009, 08:15:12 AM
I think the nationalistation would make the use of public money more acceptable. Remember when Windsor was burnt, the people were up against paying for it. It is why do we have to pay for "her house" ! I think Balmoral and Sandringham were the Queen's "private" property and the public should not be paid for it. I don't know about St. James, Clarence House and Kensington Palace.



Exactly my point.
People don’t understand what does belong to HM and what does not.
Sandringham and Balmoral are her own personal property and it would be her responsibility to provide funding if anything happened at either residence.
Windsor however does not belong to the queen it is an official residence of the British head of state and is a residence also for the 300 staff.
Plus another thing people don’t understand is how much of the official buildings they use.
People seem to think that the royals have all of Windsor’s 1500 rooms and all of BP 775 rooms all to themselves which is not true they reside in their own apartments within.
70% of BP is offices storage areas and staff bedrooms and I imagine it’s the same at Windsor.


I, for one do not fully understand the seeming chicanery of who actually owns Windsor and BP! Balmoral and Sandringham are easy to compartmentalize.....but Windsor and BP remain a mystery to me! Crown, nation, Government....it is a quagmire!


The government refused to pay after the fire at Windsor.....this sounds to me as though the government was implying that 'it', as an elected governing body was not responsible for paying for restoration, the reaction garnered from national consensus exemplified that the nation felt that it did not 'own' the castle either. Therefore as HM acquiesced and footed the bill herself.. one may assume that the castle 'belongs' to the Queen personally as she paid for the repairs personally. Or at least it should now belong to HM, considering how money she or rather the Royal finances seem to have poured into the restoration. Then again, do revenues from the opening of BP count as privy purse income now? I wonder, as again one tries to comprehend the murk of royal finances...once you start look it gets decidedly murky!

This still leaves the status of BP unresolved today! I did not bring this issue up...but I would love to see some sort of explanation/clarification of the subject matter if at all possible.

The issue over repairs at BP and the lack of transparency in Royal finances leaves the question unanswered with regards to revenues post '97 and why BP chose not to use the monies more pertinently on restoration projects rather than having old masters cleaned, Sheraton settees and what not reupholstered, faberge trinkets rearranged etc etc. In addition I recall someone bemoaning the fact that the state rooms hadn't been painted since the 1940s!

Which is more important:- rearranging trinkets, cleaning portraits and upholstering furnishings, re - painting walls in state rooms, or would it be the preservation of the very fabric of the building in which these precious pieces are housed?.

I probably sound facetious I know..... but I do wonder who was responsible for choosing to pledge revenues to the Royal Collection instead of to restoration projects. If there is someone to blame in this situation...it is the person who made that particular choice surely? I somehow doubt it was a member of the sitting government of the day who persuaded BP to agree this policy!



Any idea about Westminster Chris?




i would say that windsor and BP belong to the nation as they are the official residences of the head of state.
they definetly do not belong to the Queen as she can't sell either of them she is just a tenant within these buildings.
she cant sell st james's, clarence house or kensington palace either (or any of the royal residences that are leased by the crown estate)
she can however sell sandringham or balmoral as these are the reigning sovereigns personal property but the chances of her selling these estates is very unlikley as it is tradition to keep them for the family and for the heir to the throne.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 01, 2009, 10:09:18 AM
Hi,

I'm sure if Westminster Palace were falling apart (and it may be for all I know) then the government would rapidly fix & repair everything needed.
As for the revenues from the various palaces opened to tourism, I say use that money now to repair whatever palace needs it and use the monies from "The Queen's Gallery" for the Royal Collection.  And then, when tose Palaces have all been given their 'fixer-upper', rerout the monies back into the Collection.

It seems so simple to me that everything is going to be lost and ruined if the buildings housing The Royal Collection crumble and destroy the lot!!!
Why do politicians make everything so complicated???

I'm sure if they hired all of us here, things would be sorted in 2 or 3 days and at least the roof on Buck House would be repaired by the end of the year!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 10:25:20 AM
Thank you traditionalist for attempting to clarify the issue of ownership of BP and Windsor. Larry I like your suggestion, sounds simple and effective!

Using the revenues from opening BP to go some way to finance the restoration of Windsor after the fire would therefore make sense in this instance. As it would IMHO make sense to use said revenues post '97 to put towards the restoration of BP, rather than toward the Royal Collection, which I gather is where the revenues presently go.


Check this out Larry....and any one else interested..... in Westminster's interiors, after all they are sort of Royal really!


Perhaps the issues over the refurbishment of Derry Irvine's apartment that erupted in 1998 made the subject of refurbishing the private interiors at BP, let alone the state rooms a sticky one! I mean 57,233 pounds for wall paper does seem a little obscene and the total bill was purported to have been 650,000 pounds for four rooms...though I have had trouble confirming how many rooms were actually renovated. This figure of 650,000 pounds was subsequently subsumed into an 'existing' 10 year rolling program of renovations which included 8.2 million pounds being spent on the renovation to the press gallery! There was even 210,000 pounds going in subsidies to the Press bar!

Now I note that there is a possible scheme in place to move government out of Westminster where a complete overhaul of the palace is being proposed including re-plumbing, re-wiring and the removal of asbestos. Apparently a feasibility report into relocating Parliament is available to a bid of 250,000 pounds and the estimates for the entire project have been put at 350 million pound!!!!

I know this is only in the very early stages....but I did giggle when I read a post at ConservativeHome/Parliament asking 'Who did the estimates, Derry Irvine? Are they getting the plumbers from John Lewis.'

Talk about 'pot and kettle'........!!!!



You will find that the state rooms of the royal residences are beautiful but there private rooms are not so beautiful, they probably do want to do a bit of redecoration but they fear the public reaction.
Britain has become an extremely depressed nation through the faults of our government so the royals get scrutinized every time they spend their own money, which may is add is NOT made up of the peoples taxes, the funds the queen receives to cover her duties as head of state do not enter her private account and are not used to be spent at her personal disposal, but the public do not realise this.
people generally think that the queen is rich through our tax money which she is not as I just stated, so because people think this they oppose any spending the royals do whether it be private money (their own) or public money (the civil list).
This is probably why there private chambers are not so nice.
There’s even more proof of this with the fact that the state apartments have not seen a lick of paint since the late 40s
And there’s even more proof of this with the fire at Windsor castle.
I fully supported my tax money going towards repairing one of my countries many great artefacts’ and I even thought of it as an honour and I would of been proud to see our tax money producing the fantastic results that came, but the vile media caused an uproar amongst the public when the fire happened and they printed so much shit making everyone turn against the idea so parliament decided not to fund the restoration and funds had to be raised elsewhere.
It was almost as if the public would of rather seen Windsor castle left as a burning pile of rubble rather than the 1000 year old fortress which pumps millions into the local economy restored to its former grandeur......well that’s how it came across to me.

the same thing is now happening with Buckingham Palace.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 01, 2009, 11:50:09 AM
Hi Alix,

Well, I don't begrudge the Parliament Bldgs being repaired & refurbished as they probably need it....
But, 650,000 pounds for a guy I've never heard of - who is Derry Irvine anyway???
I could see that going to The Queen's wallpaper as she at least entertains and is photographed doing so in her palaces.  But, this guy - - have we ever seen his wallpaper?
I'd even give it to Hugh Grant - at least he played a Prime Minister in "Love, Actually"...  Joke, joke!!!

Over here in Canada, we are paying for the redoing of the Prime Minister's home in Ottawa.  But, nobody is complaining because the place is falling down, literally, and is a safety hazard.
The US secret service wouldn't even let President Obama near the place when he visited her last week..  Now, that's bad and not good public relations to be embarrassed like that.

The Queen should refuse any more State Visits from other countries until her palaces are fixed up on safety grounds.
Wouldn't it be a bit of an embarrasment if Sarkosy had the Round Tower fall down on top of him???  Ooops!!

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Derry Irvine was one of 'Tony's' cronies....he was appointed Lord Chancellor in 1997 and described the redecoration of his grace and favour pad as a 'noble cause'. I found somewhere else all sorts of lovely prices paid:--

10,000 pounds for a hand made dining table....as a guest you would have been terrified to spill anything over such a 'precious' table wouldn't you??
45,000 pounds on antique mirrors....I trust Derry always appeared dapper and immaculate for venturing out of his pad...no excuses with those mirrors about the place!!!
8,000 pounds each for two hand crafted beds....I trust Derry slept 'well' at night?
3,000 pounds on an antique loo :- I jolly well hope it was uber comfortable to rest one's bottom upon!!!!!

I believe that the infamous 'hand printed' wall paper was made to order from the illustrious firm of Cole and Son, incase anyone in considering redecorating and is feeling flush!!!!

 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 01, 2009, 04:45:52 PM
I do not know how much the Queen owned the Duchy of Lancester. Now the people are finding out that the Duchy's revenue belongs to the soveriegn, but the land itself does not. It was an arrangement to secure revenue for the King/Queen. Now they say the Duchy of Cornwall is the same. The revenue belonged to the heir to the throne, and so was the running of it. But ownership of it was not clear cut. When Edward VIII became Duke of Windsor, he told people that if his brother (George VI) did not pay him an annual income, he would sell Sandringham and Balmoral, because they belong to him (the eldest in the family) and quite apart from the throne.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 01, 2009, 06:39:26 PM
Hi Alix,

I must say I had a good laugh at your 'feeling flush' comment right after mentioning the lovely loo this gentleman aquired!!!
And, it struck me that the 3000 pounds associated with this loo may not be money but what this gentleman was full of that went eventually into the loo!!!!

Also, I did have a great guffaw yesterday reading your comment - "a gaggle of dowagers" - loved it and could just picture it....

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
Cheers Larry... it's nice to know that people get my tongue in cheek 'asides'...I always have a giggle when I am writing them! Sometimes I think its good to lighten what may otherwise sound a bit like a pontification of rhetoric! I know I am like a dog with a bone sometimes...so the odd little glib remark keeps things 'light'. Derry Irvine was full of something that is for sure... he was frightfully pompous from what I recall of the debacle over the renovations! And his comments about a 'noble cause' did nothing to abate the seething flames of anger about the whole thing!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 01, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
Alix,

I heartily agree with a little levity on these boards...  Here, here!!

Now try this one on for size --- Derry = derriere... I think that's how it's spelled...
Fits in quite well with the loo theme!!1

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 01, 2009, 09:29:11 PM
Goodness you are clever Larry...once again I did not pick up on that one!

It has gone rather peaceful here on this thread now! Well, I am sure something will pop up soon!

Keep smiling!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 02, 2009, 08:32:39 AM
I, for one do not fully understand the seeming chicanery of who actually owns Windsor and BP! Balmoral and Sandringham are easy to compartmentalize.....but Windsor and BP remain a mystery to me! Crown, nation, Government....it is a quagmire!

Then again, do revenues from the opening of BP count as privy purse income now? I wonder, as again one tries to comprehend the murk of royal finances...once you start look it gets decidedly murky!

This still leaves the status of BP unresolved today! I did not bring this issue up...but I would love to see some sort of explanation/clarification of the subject matter if at all possible.

Any idea about Westminster Chris?

As an American, I admit I've always been a little shaky on the concept of the "Crown" as a legal entity.  I mean, here in the US, our Federal Government is collectively "The State".   But in Britain, it is the "Crown" which is the State, not the Government.  And that is complicated by the fact that one individual holds the Crown, rather than a group.  The arraingement dates back to the Conquest, when William I owned all the land in England.  Slowly over time, most assets were sold or given away, what remains still belongs to the Crown. 

In the context of this discussion, "ownership" and "responsibility for maintenance" are two separate things - and one must look to the legal agreements governing each thing separately.  For example, Westminster Palace remains a royal palace owned by the Crown, yet the Government is responsible for its maintenance and management - prior to 1965 by the Lord Great Chamberlain.  After 1965, control passed to each of the two houses - so the Speakers of each house control their areas, with the Lord Great Chamberlain still responsible for common ceremonial areas like Westminster Hall.

The Occupied Royal Palaces are also owned by the Crown, yet responsibility for maintaining them was passed to Parliament in exchange for the surrender of the income of the Crown Estate.  So - if Parliament wishes to not live up to its obligations properly, it seems to me the Queen has a right to claim default of the agreement she signed when she came to the Throne, and take back the Crown Estate income.  (I'm joking of course, she never would, that would force results nobody wants!)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2009, 11:06:39 AM
I agree...However most people do not understand why in America we need an electorial college at all. Al Gore won the popular vote (in terms of votes) but still lost to George Bush. That issomething that most Europeans and most foreigners baffled about. The British system came out of the feudal system (two houses with Lords at one and Commons the other). The Crown rules the land. After Queen Victoria died, there were changes under her son (Edward VII) and grandson (George V) that stripped the crown of actual "ruling". It was then the actual division of the soverign's "private" income and things began to divide from the State owned. The financial situation which the abdication came about was never really revealed. Edward, Duke of Windsor remained the head of the house and only through negociation did he relinquish the property inheritance from his father, which was seperate from the throne.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 01:21:19 PM
You're a star Chris...I think you have answered all my little queries! I like your point about the Queen taking back the Crown Estate because the Government has reneged in its 'duty of care' to maintain the occupied palaces! Maybe it is time the Right Honourable Christopher Geidt started drawing up compulsory orders of repossession by default! (Just kidding)...

Goodness me, it's rather 'Cat and Dog' then!!! I see an analogy of the palace as 'cat' in this instance, waiting to give the canine government guard 'dog' a jolly good swipe across it's lovely, soft and vulnerable nose, whilst the government guard dog sits poised but breathing rather heavily, beside the Sheraton settee under which the palace cat is sitting or rather festering!!!! A stand off for the present I guess, until dog puts its nose just a tad bit further under the settee that is!!! Then again, just imagine all that tail wagging and ebullient 'Aren't I a good boy!!' from dog running back to its voter owners in victory, if Palace cat caves in and slinks away to find 'another' bird with which to feather its rather dilapidated digs!



Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
I think changes will come sooner than you think, as the economic downturn continue to affect the budget.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 02, 2009, 04:31:52 PM
You're a star Chris...I think you have answered all my little queries! I like your point about the Queen taking back the Crown Estate because the Government has reneged in its 'duty of care' to maintain the occupied palaces! Maybe it is time the Right Honourable Christopher Geidt started drawing up compulsory orders of repossession by default! (Just kidding)...

Goodness me, it's rather 'Cat and Dog' then!!! I see an analogy of the palace as 'cat' in this instance, waiting to give the canine government guard 'dog' a jolly good swipe across it's lovely, soft and vulnerable nose, whilst the government guard dog sits poised but breathing rather heavily, beside the Sheraton settee under which the palace cat is sitting or rather festering!!!! A stand off for the present I guess, until dog puts its nose just a tad bit further under the settee that is!!! Then again, just imagine all that tail wagging and ebullient 'Aren't I a good boy!!' from dog running back to its voter owners in victory, if Palace cat caves in and slinks away to find 'another' bird with which to feather its rather dilapidated digs!




Hi alixaannencova and everyone else.

I think you will find this very interesting.
I didn’t have to go to work today so I spent hours on the net looking for more info on the maintenance of the royal palaces.
I then came across a video on a government website that showed a discussion and debate in a chamber in the Palace of Westminster about maintenance work and funds concerning the royal residences.
It’s an hour and half long but you don’t need to watch all of it and the discussion is taking place between senior members in the royal household and members of the government over the maintenance of these priceless buildings.
And thank god you do see that they do actually care!!!!

And one of the members of the royal household said that starting in 2009 part of the revenue that is gained from people entering Buckingham Palace will not go entirely towards the royal collection and they said a substantial amount will go towards maintenance of Buckingham Palace until the work is complete. (Ironic or what alixaannencova, that’s what we suggested the other day)

They also go into as discussion about maintenance at Windsor castle and the Victoria and Albert museum.
It showed that many members of the government do actually care about this issue. (They should highlight that point more I think)
It’s a good video but its long, the main discussion concerning Buckingham palace takes place in the first 30 minutes.

I’ll paste the link in here below and i really hope it works!!!! (it’s a long link)

When you click on the link and the new window opens up to the website scroll down past a picture of the royal standard and click on the link that sais  "Video and Audio: Maintaining royal palaces evidence session"

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://news.parliament.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pa-royal-standard-460x230.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.parliament.uk/2009/01/maintaining-royal-palaces/&usg=__FPKdGqLdt8deiIdUuHp9VeYJ4Lo=&h=230&w=460&sz=32&hl=en&start=326&um=1&tbnid=UP0xdI4qgQ5vrM:&tbnh=64&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Droyal%2Bstandard%26start%3D315%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
Oh bugger....I am on my lovely mac, which becomes a tad un-lovely when I need to use Windows stuff! Never mind I found the transcript of the meeting and am now trawling through it!!! Many thanks traditionalist for taking the time out of a precious day off to have a scout round and then share the fruits of your labours with us all!

I will get back to my trawl right now...I may be gone for sometime!!!!!

OOOOH...having just read the Chairman's opening statement it is just what we have been suggesting and traditionalist has just pointed out in his last post, about Royal Collection money going toward maintenance!!! I can't believe it took a committee, albeit twelve years too late to realize this!!! As Larry suggested maybe we should offer our services here at AP as a 'Think tank'!!!! Anyway I'm off back to my trawl.....ciao for now!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 02, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
I, for one do not fully understand the seeming chicanery of who actually owns Windsor and BP! Balmoral and Sandringham are easy to compartmentalize.....but Windsor and BP remain a mystery to me! Crown, nation, Government....it is a quagmire!

Then again, do revenues from the opening of BP count as privy purse income now? I wonder, as again one tries to comprehend the murk of royal finances...once you start look it gets decidedly murky!

This still leaves the status of BP unresolved today! I did not bring this issue up...but I would love to see some sort of explanation/clarification of the subject matter if at all possible.

Any idea about Westminster Chris?

As an American, I admit I've always been a little shaky on the concept of the "Crown" as a legal entity.  I mean, here in the US, our Federal Government is collectively "The State".   But in Britain, it is the "Crown" which is the State, not the Government.  And that is complicated by the fact that one individual holds the Crown, rather than a group.  The arraingement dates back to the Conquest, when William I owned all the land in England.  Slowly over time, most assets were sold or given away, what remains still belongs to the Crown. 

In the context of this discussion, "ownership" and "responsibility for maintenance" are two separate things - and one must look to the legal agreements governing each thing separately.  For example, Westminster Palace remains a royal palace owned by the Crown, yet the Government is responsible for its maintenance and management - prior to 1965 by the Lord Great Chamberlain.  After 1965, control passed to each of the two houses - so the Speakers of each house control their areas, with the Lord Great Chamberlain still responsible for common ceremonial areas like Westminster Hall.

The Occupied Royal Palaces are also owned by the Crown, yet responsibility for maintaining them was passed to Parliament in exchange for the surrender of the income of the Crown Estate.  So - if Parliament wishes to not live up to its obligations properly, it seems to me the Queen has a right to claim default of the agreement she signed when she came to the Throne, and take back the Crown Estate income.  (I'm joking of course, she never would, that would force results nobody wants!)


CHRISinUSA can i just take the time to ask if you had got my message i sent you a few das back about the floorplans of st james's palace.
i noticed in a comment that you said you may have saved the picture on your PC as the one on the forum had been deleted.
did you save it? because if you did i would very much appreciate it if you could email it to me.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
Still waiting for any info on St.James Palace...

Of Course, Buck House and Victoria & Albert Museum are landmarks of London. White Lodge or Clarence House may be another story...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 05:30:07 PM
I hope you got my PM traditionalist... trust you got all the bits!

Still trawling through the transcript.... poor Sir Alan... he was on the ropes a bit wasn't he? But then he did respond to some questions in a rather 'coutier' like fashion! I need to digest and regard more!

I think the V & A mausoleum was what traditionalist meant,  to write as opposed to the V&A in Kensington Eric. If you read the transcript you will see this!  By the way just look at the Department of Culture website about occupied royal palaces for data about St James's Palace and Clarence House!

http://www.culture.gov.uk/what_we_do/historic_environment/4170.aspx

With regards to White Lodge..... brief details about Richmond Park are also in the transcript of the committee meeting if you care to look through either the transcript or watch the video which traditionalist has provided a link for!!!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 06:32:15 PM
Apologies Eric I was confused...details of White lodge were in another document...my goodness...I am 'palaced' out!!!

Go to http://www.royal-ballet-school.org.uk/Appeal/appeal.htm

The bit in the transcript is very small about Clarence House 'as the Committee' never seems to have got further than the basement! Like St James's Palace you will find more about it's status at the Department of Culture website!!!! 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 02, 2009, 06:36:29 PM
I hope you got my PM traditionalist... trust you got all the bits!

Still trawling through the transcript.... poor Sir Alan... he was on the ropes a bit wasn't he? But then he did respond to some questions in a rather 'coutier' like fashion! I need to digest and regard more!

I think the V & A mausoleum was what traditionalist meant,  to write as opposed to the V&A in Kensington Eric. If you read the transcript you will see this!  By the way just look at the Department of Culture website about occupied royal palaces for data about St James's Palace and Clarence House!

http://www.culture.gov.uk/what_we_do/historic_environment/4170.aspx

With regards to White Lodge..... brief details about Richmond Park are also in the transcript of the committee meeting if you care to look through either the transcript or watch the video which traditionalist has provided a link for!!!!

Thankyou so much alixaannencova for those floorplans of st james's palace the ones for kensington i already had but the ones of st jams's palace were brilliant.
i have NEVER seen a layout of any part of the palace before and you send me the whole 1st and second plans!! thankyou so much.
its well appreciated!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 06:46:05 PM
Share and share alike... I was the lucky recipient of the plans from another on our dear forum... it is only right to keep up with 'traditions' that we may all appreciate!


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 02, 2009, 06:50:17 PM
Share and share alike... I was the lucky recipient of the plans from another on our dear forum... it is only right to keep up with 'traditions' that we may all appreciate!



Thaknyou very much.
a couple of things
1. i hope you found that link and video interesting
2 . do you have any more floorplans of british royal residences on your PC that have since been removed or deleted from the forum?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 02, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
No other plans no..... I was jolly lucky to get the ones I did! Ooooh errrh!!! Just had a thought.....I do hope that I haven't done anything naughty with regards to copyright or anything like that by forwarding them to you! Yikes...!

I found the transcript of the video 'very' interesting and informative....like you say it is nice to know that people in government do care about the palaces!!

Thank you very much for taking the time to find the details and share them with us here on the forum!


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 03, 2009, 09:20:41 AM
Traditonalist  - I apologize for not responding earlier, no, I cannot seem to lay my hands on the floor plans of St. James - but Alix, I understand you happen to have a copy handy?  Pretty please?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 03, 2009, 09:38:20 AM
http://www.culture.gov.uk/what_we_do/historic_environment/4170.aspx

Hmmmmmm!  I clicked on this link to the official Government Department for Culture Media and Sport, and the very first thing I see is - and I quote:  "All the Royal Palaces are owned by The Queen and held in trust for the nation."

Not:  "The palaces are owned by the Queen in right of the Crown", or"The palaces are held by the Queen as Sovereign".  Reading this literally, it sounds as if the properties actually belong to the Queen, but are at present being tied up in a trust due to their current usage.  So, I bounced over to the newly redesigned offical British monarchy website to check their wording.  And guess what?  They describe ownership in much the same language. This is a distinct shift in language from what used to be written on the various official websites.
 
I suppose it's worthless to quibble over language, but the question I've always wondered is:  If the monarchy ended, who would own what? 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 03, 2009, 09:55:59 AM
I see what you mean Chris, about the ambiguity of 'owned by the Queen and held in trust for the nation', which also appears to apply to the Royal Collection as well. I thought that this may have been one of the sticky points about the 'inventory' which the government is still awaiting for of the contents of the Royal Collection, which I believe was regarded as being ultimately owned by the tax payer based on my interpretation of the transcript!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 03, 2009, 03:58:40 PM
I read the transcripts in full - wow, the MPs did not stand on ceremony in their line of questioning of the Royal officials, did they?  Quite harsh, I thought.  On the other hand, Sir Alan did appear to sidestep several issues by claiming ignorance of Parliament's interest in the information from the era of his predecessors.  Now, I don't know if this meeting woudl be considered "negotiation" for more funds, or merely a necessary appeasement of the committee, but it almost read to me as if Sir Alan wasn't too concerned with convincing the committee of his position - that he ultimately felt he had the upper hand in the proceedings. 

For those without the time to read the full transcripts, in summary Parliament wants BP opened many more days a year than presently, a suggestion that was somewhat rebuffed by the Courtiers.  Parliament also wants visitor funds to off-set the palace maintenance grant-in-aid instead of going to the Royal Collection.  Sir Alan said the Court has always intended such a course, AFTER the debt from building the two new Queen's Galleries had been sufficiently retired - which is now the case. 

There was also quite a discussion about accomodation on the royal estate (for pensioneers, staff, and royals etc.).  Parliament is pushing for accomodated staff to be moved inside the security cordons, to allow properties outside the cordon to be let at market price.  Sir Alan (in what appeared to me to be a directive from the Queen herself) has no intention of relocating elderly pensioners, and will deal with vacancies "as they arise."

And - certain committee members seemed to press for more of Kensington Palace to be opened up to the public, which Sir Alan rejected.  He said they already handed over Princess Margaret's apartment to Historic Royal Palaces to be opened, and they have "dealt" with the issue of the Michael of Kent's living rent-free.  However, (and I paraphrase):  The Glouchesters and Kents still live there, and there are no plans to change that - meaning, the Queen has no intention of being forced to evict any more of her relatives.

All in all - it was fascinating reading!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
I know. I hope it would not happen any time soon. It would be a very sticky matter. Everybody knows that only the private fortune belonged to the Royal Family personally. Everything else is in trust to the Nation. The wording came from a tradition that is not refected by reality. Long Live The Queen !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 03, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
I forgot to add, one other line of discussion that I found fascinating was Sir Alan's insistence that they cannot have solid plans (with regard to the future of various Estate properties), because of the number of possibilities that have to be allowed for.  He said, for example, that in the event of a new reign, all bets are off in terms of what they might be presently planning.

That nugget of information reveals that the Court has contingency plans in place for housing the RF in a wide array of circumstances - plans I can well imagine are necessary.  Say, for example, the DoE outlived the Queen.  He would be allocated an official London residence / office, and since Charles and Cam would move to BP, perhaps the DoE would take on Clarence House again.  That means William and future Wife (and Harry and future Wife) would require alternative accomodation.  

Or, what if Camilla outlived the Prince of Wales while the Queen still reigned?  Or everybody remained living while William and Harry wed and produced their own families?  Several new residences would be required.  Of course, the death or retirement to the country of the Kents or Glouchesters, Princess Royal or Princess Alexandra would present different options for London accomodation.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 03, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
Hi,

Somewhere along the line, I seem to recall that should Prince Philip become a widower, he would retire to Frogmore House.  So, that would leave Clarence House for William & Harry or William and his family...

Should William have a wife & family by then, maybe Harry could bunk in with Andrew at Royal Lodge!!!

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
Perhaps I think Harry could buy his own house. Like Princess Anne's Catcombe Park was hers absolutely. As a minor royal, he really should marry into money. The same goes for Princess Beatrice and Eugenie.

Only Charles, William and his family would make up the interior circle now. Camilla could retire to her country seat (she wisely kept her own house) or an appartment in one of the palaces (maybe St. James's) in London.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 03, 2009, 05:23:03 PM
You are kind to have provided a precis of the meeting Chris, I am afraid I was being a little selfish!

As you say the inability to plan ahead due to 'a new reign' was very interesting in the way it shows how the court takes so many factors into consideration.

I also liked the way Sir Alan skirted the issue of some tenants in properties, the bit about the Queen's cousin, who I would hazard to identify as Margaret Rhodes. She lives at Garden House in Windsor Great Park. I thought Sir Alan very weasel-like when he said the decision was down to the Queen! You couldn't ague that one could you?!?!?


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
There is no getting around it. That is why I hope the monarchy will remain in this form for another 10 years (I hope)...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 03, 2009, 05:28:02 PM
I thought I read somewhere, probably one of the tabloids, that Bea has some of Charles's old rooms in St James's Palace now! I do wonder if that is true.

As to Philip, should he be widowed, Frogmore would make sense as a pad in the country, but he would still need a pied a terre in town too...I wonder where, after all he wouldn't need anything like Clarence House would he. I mean Cookie did not really need all that space to herself 'really'!!! Much better that that house go to a 'family' really! Should such a sad event occur for Philip!!!

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2009, 05:31:02 PM
That would make sense. The princeses do need a London base. St James's has the right location.

I heard of the Frogmore plan for Philip too, although I doubt he would survived the Queen. He was much older and looked really frail recently.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 03, 2009, 09:42:14 PM
Hi Alix & Eric,

Just my opinion but:
I don't think Prince Philip would need a London home as he would not be required to entertain on any grand scale in London.
And, as Eric says, he does look rather frail and may just want to retire.

The Queen Mother was a whole othr basket of 'cookies'...  She was only 51 and had not desire to retire.  She was vibrant and even Churchill said she should get out there and 'smile & wave' - queen it up as it were.  And, she did.
But, you're right, Alix, she didn't really need all those houses.
As one commentator said when she died and all those servants congragated at Windsor Castle to receive her coffin - "All these people to serve one little old lady!"

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 03, 2009, 11:42:49 PM
'one little old uber 'Queen to the end'...more like! and not even born in the purple for that matter! I guess you can tell I was not a fan of Cookie! I may laugh about her sybaritic habits but really I find her frightfully hypocritical in her private life.... I will not be drawn on this...I just did not like Cookie...full stop!

I guess you are right about Philip, Larry, but he would still need a London pad in order to make occasional sojourns to the capital, particularly to receive deputations from regiments etc! He could have rooms, perhaps a pied a terre at St James's Palace which would IMHO be far more appropriate then a 'family' home like CH in this instance.....then it could be laid out on the ground floor if need be, if stairs ever become an issue etc!

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: toddy on March 04, 2009, 06:32:41 AM
Prince Phillip is almost 90!  i doubt he would need to move at all just keep him at Buckingham palace .
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on March 04, 2009, 08:12:54 AM
Hi,

Yes Alix, I agree with you 100%...  When I wrote 'London home' I meant a whole big house like Clarence House....  I should have been more specific....
But, a pied-a-terre at St. James Palace or Buck House - fine....

All of this is moot though, as I don't really see him surviving The Queen....
He does look frail & tired in these last months;  and I do know from 'back problems' that they can render one into a corpse-like state pretty quickly.  And, The Queen looks great and is sallying forth full speed!!!

Personally, and I've said it before, I hope she survives another 20 years or more and saves us all from Charles and Camilla...

But, now back to "Royal Interiors" - -
Does anybody have the floor plans for "The Royal Lodge"???

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 04, 2009, 08:41:11 AM
Quite true - a widowed Phillip at 90+ is very different from the much younger, more vibrant recently widowed Queen Mother of the 1950s, and would probably not require much more than a London suite. 

Keep in mind however, marriage contracts for royal consorts have traditionally included agreements for maintenance in the event of widowhood.  So back in 1947 there was probably an agreement between Phillip and the Government that in the event he outlived his wife, he would be provided with X amount of annuity, and a certain level of official accomodation for life.  In that day and age, I doubt that agreement would have included less than one country home and a suitable London residence. 

By the way, it was I (in earlier threads) who suggested that Frogmore was probably set aside for Phillip in this event.  I've no proof of this, it is merely a gut feeling.  I can't imagine why else that perfectly suitable and conveniently located retreat would have stood vacant - yet well maintained - for the better part of the 20th century, while other senior royals went without (Princess Margaret had no country retreat. and  - after the 1970s - various other royals were giving up theirs).

Anyway, I agree with everyone else, the likelihood of the Queen's widowhood is far greater than Phillip's. 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 04, 2009, 10:58:22 AM
Indeed. Frogmore would be good for Philip, who has become more "countrified" and he grew older. With Charles at Clarence House (later for William when his father became king) and Andrew at Royal Lodge. There is not a great need for houses. As the occupants of Kensington Palace continue to age, the new generation will move to private houses soon after they marry. Only Harry (who would buy his own digs in London with money from the Diana Trust Fund, or a country home from Granny) and the York Princesses are left. The girls will vacate St. James after they marry, so the current arrangement would be a tempory one only. They may of course (like Aunt Anne) recieve a gift of a home from Granny after they marry. But that is not sure if they will carry on Royal duties after their marriage. That leaves only the Children of Edward Wessex to be accounted for. I am sure they will be provided for by their grandmother privately.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 06, 2009, 04:09:02 AM
Better late then never I guess! I finally have a positive ID of the sitter in the portrait of the Clergyman hanging in the white drawing room at Buckingham Palace!!!! Thank you Nikola in particular for your patience in this!

It is none other than.......Francois de Salignac de la Mothe Fenelon, Archbishop of Cambrai (1651 - 1715) after Joseph Vivien (1657-1734). I would not be surprised if everyone goes....WHO? I did and then I did a google search to find out more about this venerable gentleman! He was ever such an interesting man and his family came from Perigord, which is oddly enough, down the road from where I used to live. The Bishopric of Salat was held by several generations of his family. Salat has to be one of the most chocolate boxy beautiful towns in all France!!!!

Fancy that then! I would never have guessed the sitter was a Frog...oops I mean a Frenchman!

Anyway I hope that settles the last of the enquiries about sitters in portraits!

By the way the other pictures are, as we worked out 'Portrait of an unknown Lady' by Lely and 'Man in armour with a red scarf' from the school of Sir Anthony Van Dyck.


Also, by the way Eric, it just goes to prove that portraits of unknown personages 'do' hang in occupied royal palaces! I thought I'd just point that out apropos of your rather silly comment about sitters being unknown/nameless etc!!!! At the time of reading your comment I knew it was nonsense but could not prove my point succinctly, but now I can!



Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 10:19:08 AM
It depends who put them there. As you said you could hardly imagine why they putting the portrait of a French Cardinal in the palace ! Timing may be everything. You do remember that Charles II (whose mother, wife and sister were Catholics) and in the next reign, James II had more Catholic tendencies (not to mention married a Catholic and becoming one) and the portraits may have been purchased and put there during that time. However after the Georgian times, no Catholic personage would be put in anywhere near there. As the other portraits also dated from that time (William was married to Mary, Princess Royal of Britian) "Men with a red scarf" and the unknown lady was dated back to the court of Charles II. It made sense on that context.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 06, 2009, 12:29:47 PM
Also, by the way Eric, it just goes to prove that portraits of unknown personages 'do' hang in occupied royal palaces! I thought I'd just point that out apropos of your rather silly comment about sitters being unknown/nameless etc!!!! At the time of reading your comment I knew it was nonsense but could not prove my point succinctly, but now I can!

Forgive me, but hilarious!!!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 06, 2009, 12:37:29 PM
Apropos of the below quote, it may be 'logical' to some, but it is not a fact, as we have discovered in the case of the three portraits above the doors in the White drawing room at Buckingham Palace! What this has to do with the identity of the person responsible for 'putting' them there....I think you can do your own research if you feel strongly that the hanging of portraits of 'unknown' personages in Royal Palaces is not 'logical' as is implied.

Actually, I think that this whole little project of finding identification and attributions for the portraits in question, demonstrates the 'jigsaw' puzzle that is historical research. Assumptions are hardly helpful and I think those of us who actively 'dug' around achieved a lot more by taking the initiative rather than making baseless, glib comments and contributing little more than pollutant hot air to the discussion.  

 With regards to hanging portraits by period, there really is no need to state the obvious! I 'was' initially surprised by the inclusion of Archbishop Fenelon...until I read of his Missionary to the Huguenots which would make more sense as to why a portrait of him hangs in BP at all! Also, why has Fenelon been promoted to the position of Cardinal in your post Eric? I stated quite clearly that he was an Archbishop! Having looked again at various sources Fenelon was denied a Cardinal's cap! Therefore I would really like to know why you chose to 'promote' him in your post, as this could be very confusing for others reading these posts!  


It is also logical to put royal portraits in a palace,
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
Lets move on to the next subject as the mystery has been solved. I think it would be more productive for others to make their assumptions than to consentrate on you trying to hammer a subject to death in which you are guilty of doing. If you want to address me in private, then do so, rathering than displaying your rightousness for everybody to see.

Before this we were talking about Frogmore as a place for Prince Philip. I heard it has been fixed up already, however I think the Dowager Duchess of Kent was the last to live there.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 06, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
Lenchen and Christian had use of Frogmore until they took over Cumberland Lodge. Louis Mountbatten was born at Frogmore. Georgie and May had use of Frogmore from 1902 until 1910. Thereafter I believe it was never a real home again. George VI and Cookie spent part of their honeymoon there. Thereafter it became a kind of family museum as instigated by Queen Mary.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
It seemed to be a tempory home for royals before they settle into their own houses. Indeed although it was a museum, it was open during a short period of time in the year. People in this thread love to find out about floor plans. I haven't seen one of Frogmore.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 06, 2009, 03:32:33 PM
Neither have I.  I do have the official Frogmore guidebook, from which I'm able to piece together some of the layout, which (for those who might be interested), I'll summarize. 

From the Porte Cochere one enters the Entrance Hall, with an Imperial style Staircase to one's right (the original counter-clockwise stairs were replaced by Wyatt in 1794). 

Opposite the staircase is a door to the Oak Room, which was originaly a Parlour, and later a billiard room and then an office.  The room is now hung with 19th century engraved portraits of the RF, including Victoria, Albert and six of their children.

At the north end of the house is Queen Mary's Flower Rom, which was once a waiting room, then a smoking room and briefly a bedroom.  It is one of the rooms arrainged by Queen Mary in the 1920s and is named for its collection of wax and silk flowers under glass domes which are displayed here.  Next door is the Black Museum Room, previously a bedroom and dressing room, but also arranged by Queen Mary as a display room and named for 19th century black papier-mache and lacquer collections housed there.

The Duchess of Kent's Sitting Room (one of the two rooms with bow windows on the garden side) was added in 1804.  Once called the Bow Drawing Room, the Duchess used it as a sitting and writing room.  It features soft licac walls with bright gold curtains and accents.

Next along the garden facade is The Green Pavilian, which is presently furnished as it looked in Queen Charlotte's time.  After Princess Augusta inherited Frogmore, she used this room as a dining room.  Later is became a breakfast room, and between 1902 and 1910 was used as a school room by the future Kings Edward VIII and George VI.

The Colonnade was designed as an open loggia on the garden front.  It was periodically used by Queen Charlotte for informal plays and concerts.  By 1818 it was enclosed by French windows, and the Duchess of Kent added sculture, flowers and lavish upholstery.

The Charlotte Closet (Princess Royals' Closet) once contained drawings of wild animals by Charlotte, Princess Royal, a talented amateur arist.  Today, 45 of the princess' drawings (in their original frames) are reassembled here.

The Victoria Closet, a pendant to the Charlotte Closet, used to be known as the Key Room but now contains works of art executed in the 19th century by three generations of the RF. - including the Duchess of Kent (during her first marriage to the Prince of Leiningen), 2 watercolors by Queen Victoria, and works by several of Victoria's daughters.

The Mary Moser Room is named for the renowned flower painter, who was commissioned by Queen Charlotte to decorate this room with garlands of flowers simulating an open arbor.  It was Queen Charlotte's favorite room at Frogmore.  During the Duchess of Kent's occupancy, this room was the sitting room for her Lady-in-Waiting, Lady Augusta Bruce.

The Duchess of Kent's Drawing Room is the south garden facade room with a bow window, which was Queen Charlotte's Dining Room.  After the Duchess of Kent's death, this room was occasionally used as a ballroom and, during World War II when Frogmore served as an outpost for the Royal Archives, this room was a research room.

The Britannia Room at the far south end of the house was originally built by Wyatt as a Library for Queen Charlotte.  The Duchess of Kent converted it to the Dining Room.  After the Royal yacht Britannia was decommissioned in 1997, the Duke of Edinburgh arranged a selection of items here to reflect the interior of the Royal Yacht.  The room is now regularly used by the RF for charity functions.

The Cross Gallery upstairs spans the breadth of the house at first floow level.  The present wall decorations - six panels of painted flower garlands suspended across illusionistic windows - was created in the 1790s by Elizabeth, 3rd daughter of George III.  Rooms opening off the Cross Gallery are not open the public, but are among the apartments used by Queen Mary to hoseu the Family Museum, a private collection of souvenirs and mementos acquired by or given to members of the RF over the years.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 06, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
What a poppet you are Chris! Thank you very much for that detailed break down of the interiors. It's rather nice that Philip has incorporated part of the interior furnishings from Britannia. Shows another side to him so to speak. It would be nice if someone did live in the house, although I guess it would be rather difficult to maintain the historical integrity of the family museum if the house was occupied again as a whole, rather than say having a flat in the rafters if you get my drift!

 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 06, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
Better late then never I guess! I finally have a positive ID of the sitter in the portrait of the Clergyman hanging in the white drawing room at Buckingham Palace!!!! Thank you Nikola in particular for your patience in this!

It is none other than.......Francois de Salignac de la Mothe Fenelon, Archbishop of Cambrai (1651 - 1715) after Joseph Vivien (1657-1734). I would not be surprised if everyone goes....WHO? I did and then I did a google search to find out more about this venerable gentleman! He was ever such an interesting man and his family came from Perigord, which is oddly enough, down the road from where I used to live. The Bishopric of Salat was held by several generations of his family. Salat has to be one of the most chocolate boxy beautiful towns in all France!!!!

Fancy that then! I would never have guessed the sitter was a Frog...oops I mean a Frenchman!

Anyway I hope that settles the last of the enquiries about sitters in portraits!

By the way the other pictures are, as we worked out 'Portrait of an unknown Lady' by Lely and 'Man in armour with a red scarf' from the school of Sir Anthony Van Dyck.


Alix thanks very very much!!!

You found informations of all portraits from White Drawing room at Buckingham palace. You are the best!!!

You really discovered who is the Clergyman in the White Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace. Very interesting informations about Archbishop of Cambrai.

This two portraits are the same :) Thanks very much Alix again!!!

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/portrait22.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 06, 2009, 05:47:31 PM
Thanks Chris ! I will see if my next trip to London will coincide with the opening of Frogmore to the public. It is also included in the Windsor Great Park. I don't think seriously that Prince Philip will have a need for Frogmore as it seems the Queen can go on for many more years. God Save The Queen !
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 06, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
All portraits in the White Drawing Room at Buckingham palace:

1. "Queen Alexandra" - François Flameng
2. "Portrait of a lady" - Sir Peter Lely
3. "Portrait of a Man in Armour with Red Scarf" - Sir Anthony van DYCK
4. "Fénélon, Archbishop of Cambrai" - Joseph Vivien


1. (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/405360.jpg)
2. (http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/egallery/images/collection_large/405363.jpg)
3. (http://hoocher.com/Anthony_Van_Dyck/Portrait_of_a_Man_in_Armor_with_Red_Scarf_1625_27.jpg)
4. (http://www.nndb.com/people/424/000105109/fenelon-1-sized.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 06, 2009, 06:19:22 PM
Well, I don't have the book you referenced, but checked my Official Guidebook of BP, which is a few years old.  It lists the furniture, artwork and sculpture in each state room...

Chris you told that you have Official Guidebook of Buckingham palace.
Please can you look in your book and tell me informations about portraits (sitter, artist, year) hanging in the State Dinning Room at Buckingham palace?!

Also, if you can, can you look for informations (artist, size and year) about portrait of the Princess Charlotte of Wales which hanging at Grand Staircase at BP.

Thanks
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architecturelover on March 06, 2009, 10:12:15 PM
Hi, I was wondering if someone would be willing to send me a copy of the floorplans for Kensington and St James's ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
I must admit I never saw one or know of one of St. James.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 07, 2009, 01:53:51 PM
Well, I don't have the book you referenced, but checked my Official Guidebook of BP, which is a few years old.  It lists the furniture, artwork and sculpture in each state room...

Chris you told that you have Official Guidebook of Buckingham palace.
Please can you look in your book and tell me informations about portraits (sitter, artist, year) hanging in the State Dinning Room at Buckingham palace?!  Also, if you can, can you look for informations (artist, size and year) about portrait of the Princess Charlotte of Wales which hanging at Grand Staircase at BP.  Thanks

Okay, there are seven paintings in the State Dining Room, all hung on the inner (east) wall opposite the windows.  Starting at the south end (near the door to the West Gallery) are:
- Sir Godfrey Kneller:  Caroline, Princess of Wales, 1716
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Frederick, Prince of Wales, 1742
- Allan Ramsay:  Queen Charlotte, 1763
- Studio of Sir Thomas Lawrence:  George IV, c. 1820 (over the mantle)
- Allan Ramsay:  George III, c. 1763
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Augusta, Princess of Wales, 1742
- Studio of John Shackleton:  George II, 1766-7

On the Grand Staircase are 10 paintings, representing the immediate ancestors and relations of Queen Victoria, which was hung shortly after the coronation of 1838.  The painting of Princess Charlotte of Wales is labeled in the guidebook as "After George Dawe, c. 1817".  I don't know if "After" is part of George Dawe's name, or refers to something else.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: alixaannencova on March 07, 2009, 02:10:01 PM
The 'After' is applied to copies of paintings by named artist...so the original painting hangs elsewhere and the one here was a copy painted by unidentified painter/s. I hope that makes sense.
 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
Yes. Or perhaps the original was lost or given away as gifts and only the copy exist. I have been to many museums that hangs the copy whereas the original was lost.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 07, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
Okay, there are seven paintings in the State Dining Room, all hung on the inner (east) wall opposite the windows.  Starting at the south end (near the door to the West Gallery) are:
- Sir Godfrey Kneller:  Caroline, Princess of Wales, 1716
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Frederick, Prince of Wales, 1742
- Allan Ramsay:  Queen Charlotte, 1763
- Studio of Sir Thomas Lawrence:  George IV, c. 1820 (over the mantle)
- Allan Ramsay:  George III, c. 1763
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Augusta, Princess of Wales, 1742
- Studio of John Shackleton:  George II, 1766-7

On the Grand Staircase are 10 paintings, representing the immediate ancestors and relations of Queen Victoria, which was hung shortly after the coronation of 1838.  The painting of Princess Charlotte of Wales is labeled in the guidebook as "After George Dawe, c. 1817".  I don't know if "After" is part of George Dawe's name, or refers to something else.

Chris thank you very much for this informations about portraits in the State Dining Room.
You really help me!
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on March 07, 2009, 04:04:17 PM
My pleasure.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on March 11, 2009, 05:07:21 AM
The Royal Lodge - Grade II listed refurbishment

http://www.ortonconsultancy.co.uk/id11.html (http://www.ortonconsultancy.co.uk/id11.html)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2009, 12:04:04 PM
Thanks for the link. I think it must be done as Prince Andrew is living there now.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 21, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
Apparently the picture gallery inside Buckingham palace has been re carpeted (well a carpet has been laid I can only remember seeing rugs on the wooden boards before) and I was wandering if anyone had any pictures of the room with its new carpet.

There is bad news though, the brand new carpet had been down only 2 days when a palace footman was wheeling a trolley across the room when a wheel came off and tea and coffee went all over it causing £60,000 in damage.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2009, 02:14:03 PM
Well...The taxpayer will foot the bill. Buck house is really an office for HM The Queen.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eddie_uk on March 23, 2009, 02:56:57 PM

There is bad news though, the brand new carpet had been down only 2 days when a palace footman was wheeling a trolley across the room when a wheel came off and tea and coffee went all over it causing £60,000 in damage.


Sounds like a story straight from the Daily Mail. It can't cost that much to clean a carpet surely.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 23, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
Depends on what sort of carpet it was...not your average rug I guess...
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 23, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
Depends on what sort of carpet it was...not your average rug I guess...

Well the gallery is 160 ft long.
an it said that it has be carpeted.
from what i know the picture gallery has a wooden floor with about 3 or 4 rugs layed down on it.
so i imagine they have completely covered over the wood and actually stuck a carpet down covering the whole room permanantly.
i think the picture gallery is very understated concidering it is a state apartment.
its needs to be done out in a different colour on the walls , the chandeliers need to be replaced and the fancy plaster carvings need to be gilted in gold.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 23, 2009, 07:57:31 PM
Apparently the picture gallery inside Buckingham palace has been re carpeted (well a carpet has been laid I can only remember seeing rugs on the wooden boards before) and I was wandering if anyone had any pictures of the room with its new carpet.

There is bad news though, the brand new carpet had been down only 2 days when a palace footman was wheeling a trolley across the room when a wheel came off and tea and coffee went all over it causing £60,000 in damage.


I think that we will be able to see the photo of new carpet on 30 March, when the Queen and President of Mexico probably will view items from the Royal Collection at Picture Gallery.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on March 23, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
Apparently the picture gallery inside Buckingham palace has been re carpeted (well a carpet has been laid I can only remember seeing rugs on the wooden boards before) and I was wandering if anyone had any pictures of the room with its new carpet.

There is bad news though, the brand new carpet had been down only 2 days when a palace footman was wheeling a trolley across the room when a wheel came off and tea and coffee went all over it causing £60,000 in damage.
::

I think that we will be able to see the photo of new carpet on 30 March, when the Queen and President of Mexico probably will view items from the Royal Collection at Picture Gallery.

yeah it will be on the news and someone will probably upload pics :)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 30, 2009, 10:10:37 AM
Photo of the new carpet at Picture Gallery at Buckingham palace:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/carpet.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on March 30, 2009, 10:21:34 AM
Second photo:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/carpet2.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on April 07, 2009, 12:47:26 PM


Okay, there are seven paintings in the State Dining Room, all hung on the inner (east) wall opposite the windows.  Starting at the south end (near the door to the West Gallery) are:
- Sir Godfrey Kneller:  Caroline, Princess of Wales, 1716
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Frederick, Prince of Wales, 1742
- Allan Ramsay:  Queen Charlotte, 1763
- Studio of Sir Thomas Lawrence:  George IV, c. 1820 (over the mantle)
- Allan Ramsay:  George III, c. 1763
- Jean-Baptiste van Loo:  Augusta, Princess of Wales, 1742
- Studio of John Shackleton:  George II, 1766-7

On the Grand Staircase are 10 paintings, representing the immediate ancestors and relations of Queen Victoria, which was hung shortly after the coronation of 1838.  The painting of Princess Charlotte of Wales is labeled in the guidebook as "After George Dawe, c. 1817".  I don't know if "After" is part of George Dawe's name, or refers to something else.
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'After' simply means that it was copied directly or at the very least closely from a work by the original artist.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Soane on April 07, 2009, 12:50:03 PM
Hi, I was wondering if someone would be willing to send me a copy of the floorplans for Kensington and St James's ?

There is a partial plan of Kensington (showing the State Apartments) reproduced in David Watkins (ed.) Royal Interiors of Regency England. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Michael HR on April 09, 2009, 03:49:39 AM
Any paintings of the Russian royal family at BP?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 09, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
Second photo:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/carpet2.jpg)

HMM - not sure I would have choen a white carpet for one of the palace's highest traffic state rooms.  I have enough trouble keeping my own white carpets clean, and I don't regularly have 150 people over for dinner and drinks!  Plus, I only have one dog, as opposed to a dozen or so corgis!  On the other hand, I also don't have a small army of housemaids either!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 11, 2009, 09:27:44 AM
I just found two photos of Buckingham palace interior:

First photo shows today Queen Elizabeth Private Sitting Room at Buckingham Palace in 1914, when this room used probably by Queen Mary:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bpr1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 11, 2009, 09:29:09 AM
Second photo shows The Picture Gallery in 1914:
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bpr2.jpg)

The Picture Gallery was a very nice in this period.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 11, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/carpet.jpg)

The new white carpet at Picture Gallery is 40m long, with wild roses and stylised flowers.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: David_Newell on April 27, 2009, 05:43:45 AM
I have a book published when our present Queen was Princess Elizabeth Heir Presumptive, it is about Clarence House and has photographs of the newly refurbished rooms for the young couple and their family. Its called Clarence House and was by Christopher Hussey.It was published by Country Life in 1949.

It also gives a full and interesting history of the house and its occupants. There is a plan of the house and its buildings from 1792 by Sir John Soane and was part of a survey of St. James's Palace.


I don't know if anyone else knows of this book?

David L. Newell, London
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on April 27, 2009, 07:37:30 AM
That above old photo of the Portrait Gallery (1914) shows that it has a beautiful intricate parquet wood floor!  Any idea why they would now prefer the room completely carpeted rather than show off those stunning floor?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: David_Newell on April 27, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
Wear and tear on a wooden floor no doubt. carpets can be replaced.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Douglas on April 27, 2009, 01:20:49 PM
I don't think the Queen or the Prince would worry about wear on the wood floor.

 I would imagine that there are capets to make the room more quiet and the floor more comfortable to stand on.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on April 28, 2009, 06:37:57 AM
Nikola, is the photo of the Queen's Private Sitting Room the room with the large curved bay?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 28, 2009, 07:49:55 AM
Nikola, is the photo of the Queen's Private Sitting Room the room with the large curved bay?

Yes it is!
This Room is today the Queen's Private Sitting Room at Buckingham palace. This Room has a bow windows in the north side of Buckingham palace.

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/bpr1.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 28, 2009, 07:56:44 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/postcard.jpg)

The Windows of The Queen's Private Sitting Room at Buckingham palace.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 28, 2009, 08:02:04 AM
The Queen's Private Sitting Room at Buckingham palace during reign of the Queen Victoria, when this room was used as "The Queen Victoria Sitting Room":

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Buckinghampalace_QueenVictoriasp-1.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/Buckinghampalace_QueenVictoriaspriv.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/buckinghamPalaceroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on April 28, 2009, 08:07:39 AM
I have a book published when our present Queen was Princess Elizabeth Heir Presumptive, it is about Clarence House and has photographs of the newly refurbished rooms for the young couple and their family. Its called Clarence House and was by Christopher Hussey.It was published by Country Life in 1949.

It also gives a full and interesting history of the house and its occupants. There is a plan of the house and its buildings from 1792 by Sir John Soane and was part of a survey of St. James's Palace.


I don't know if anyone else knows of this book?

David L. Newell, London

Can you scean that's plans of Clarence House and photos for us?
It's will be very nice to see them!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 28, 2009, 09:39:38 AM
Hi,

Thank you, Nikola, for all the great photos!

I wonder where all those wonderful pictures in Queen Victoria's Sitting Room ar now?  They should be exibited in The Queen's Galley;  they look very interesting and I wonder who they all are?  Interesting!

Larry
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Douglas on April 28, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
Queen's Private Sitting Room

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/bowroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on April 29, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Has anyone else noticed the different detail over the doors and cornice line between the QV era photos and the QEII era photos of the Queen's Private Sitting Room?  Any insight as to why this may have been done.  I rather prefer the QV era detail as the QEII looks to me as though it has been added. 
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: David_Newell on April 29, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
You would be surprised how much they care about wear and tear. The first time I went to Buckingham Palace they still had electric fires from the 1940's in the fire places. The wiring on most of the lamps was ancient and GPO telephones were still in use.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Douglas on April 29, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
You would be surprised how much they care about wear and tear. The first time I went to Buckingham Palace they still had electric fires from the 1940's in the fire places. The wiring on most of the lamps was ancient and GPO telephones were still in use.

I'm not sure I get any connection between wear and tear and the ancient lamp wiring and antique telephones. 

I would suspect that the Royals keep the old things around because they are ingrained with tradition and rarely like to change anything.

I assume the GPO phones were the rotary dial type?

Even the White House  in the US goes through stages of being very out of date.  The current staff that arrived this January could not believe how yesterday the various communication, computer, Email and phone systems the Bush Admin were using.

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Blakie on May 22, 2009, 03:32:33 AM
Here are some terrific interior pictures of Balmoral Castle...apologies if these have already been posted and I missed it!
[http://www.balmoralcastle.com/IMAGEgallery1.htm]
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: David_Newell on May 22, 2009, 06:59:23 AM
Exactly Douglas, Her Majesty The Queen, used her fathers GPO 300 series telephone until very recently. The Pabx switchboard and the old system was only replaced a few years ago. Her Majesty and the household resisted the change.

The White House used to have a lovely switchboard. I used to speak to the Telephonists there a lot, a long time ago now but they were all lovely and very professional.

David

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on July 24, 2009, 09:18:58 AM
Bagshot Park, the home of Prince Edward and Sophie:

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/18/article-1200621-004326DC00000258-833_468x286_popup.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on July 25, 2009, 08:20:27 AM
Some interesting photos of Buckingham palace interior during reign of The Queen Victoria:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b1.jpg)
The Picture Gallery

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b2.jpg)
The East Gallery
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on July 25, 2009, 08:21:34 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b3.jpg)

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p67/NikolaKg/b4.jpg)

The Grand Staircase
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:07:01 AM
Very big and HQ photos from Official website of the British Monarchy:

Buckingham palace, The Blue Drawing Room:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/8530000%20BDR%20(Peter%20Smith).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:09:54 AM
HQ photo - The Grand Staircase at Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/8500043%20GSC%20(Derry%20Moore).jpg)

HQ photo - The Green Drawing Room at Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/BP_GDR%20(Derry%20Moore).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:11:40 AM
HQ photo - The State Dining Room at Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/BP05_p81%20State%20Dining%20Room%20(Peter%20Smith).jpg)

HQ photo - The Throne Room at Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/8500080%20TR%20(Derry%20Moore).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:12:37 AM
HQ photo - The White Drawing at Buckingham Palace:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/8500087%20WDR%20(Derry%20Moore).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:15:08 AM
The Queen's Gallery at Buckingham Palace - HQ photos:

Gallery entrance hall:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Queens%20GalleryLondon/Entrance_Hall.jpg)

Nash Gallery:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Queens%20GalleryLondon/RT_Nash_01.jpg)

The Pennethorne Gallery:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Queens%20GalleryLondon/G3_Pennethorne_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:48:52 AM
The Royal Mews - HQ photos:

The Gold State Coach:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Royal%20Mews/8540523%20Gold%20State%20Coach.jpg)

Postilion jackets:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Royal%20Mews/8520090%20(10cm%20wide).jpg)

The Irish State Coach:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Royal%20Mews/Irish%20State%20Coach.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
Windsor Castle - HQ photos:

 
The Grand Reception Room:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Windsor%20Castle/8000069%20GRR%20(Mark%20Fiennes)%20A4.jpg)

The Bedchamber of the King:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Windsor%20Castle/8000124%20KB%20(Mark%20Fiennes).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
Palace of Holyroodhouse - HQ photos:


Mary Queen of Scots, Bedchamber:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Palace%20of%20Holyroodhouse/8160285%20Mary%20Queen%20of%20Scots%20Bedchamber.jpg)

The closet of the King:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Palace%20of%20Holyroodhouse/p44%20Kings%20Closet.jpg)




The Queen's Gallery, Palace of Holyroodhouse - HQ photos:

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/QueensGalleryEdinburgh/PHH_005.jpg)

(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/QueensGalleryEdinburgh/8170028%20PS.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Nikola on August 05, 2009, 08:57:28 AM
Clarence House - HQ photos:


The Garden Room, Clarence House:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Clarence%20House/CH_SP_4d%20Garden%20Room.jpg)

The Morning Room, Clarence House:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Clarence%20House/CH_SP_5j%20Morning%20Room.jpg)

The Horse Corridor, Clarence House:
(http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Clarence%20House/CH04%20p58%20Horse%20Corridor%20(CSS).jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on August 21, 2009, 06:28:20 AM
Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room and Audience Room in Windsor Castle in the 1890s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/QVSR_WC.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/QVAR_WC.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Aleksasha on August 31, 2009, 04:32:01 AM
Very interesting the photo with QV's private sitting room in Windsor Castle. Hope you have a larger version of the photo :) Thank you. Could you tell us the source?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: EmilyCragg on August 31, 2009, 11:03:51 AM
Many thanks to all of you who posted these photos.  This has been a fabulous tour from this side of the Pond; and Buckingham Palace seems to actually need a staff of 300 to manage its 770 rooms, with all this dusting that has to be continuously kept up. Some rooms are gorgeous; some private areas are best hidden. 

I guess what comes up for me is Conservation in a high-maintenance environment.  Buck House serves as Hotel & Conference Center; Museum and private Apartments, all together needing a Surveillance and Security system, top drawer.  I know from the financial reports, things have been done in certain ways for a long, long time; and Change often creates more problems than it solves.  I think I'd place a five-star hotel manager; a Museum-curator and a Green Construction Company on retainer as consultants, consolidating and isolating functions; with Staffing being promised transfers-at-will.  This is quite an edifice to keep up, actually.   Its stone walls hold back pollution and noise; the Royal Family is well situated, and the hope is they can share their situation with civil society positively.

Thank you again for having this very instructive and fascinating section.

EEWC
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Le Roi Soleil on September 01, 2009, 06:56:06 AM
Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=windsor+castle+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwindsor%2Bcastle%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D108&imgurl=97b36e495117f9a0 (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=windsor+castle+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwindsor%2Bcastle%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D108&imgurl=97b36e495117f9a0)

and Audience Room in Windsor Castle
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=windsor+castle+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwindsor%2Bcastle%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D108&imgurl=81f915a91368ca29 (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=windsor+castle+source:life&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwindsor%2Bcastle%2Bsource:life%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D108&imgurl=81f915a91368ca29)

Source: Life Image Collection
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 01, 2009, 10:36:18 AM
Those are some of the best enlarged photos I’ve seen. Simply spectacular!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: EmilyCragg on September 01, 2009, 11:54:29 AM

Fabulous photos.  Yes, Victoria was known for her clutter; and that tradition carries on.

When my computer gets fixed, I want to see what I can do to bring up more details in these photos; but not now.  Crash, crash.

The rest of these are off the Royal site; they appear much more clearly here where they can be enlarged somewhat.

I like historic photos; and a great deal of history is encompassed in those Palace souvenirs and paintings.

EEWC

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: grandduchessella on September 01, 2009, 02:19:42 PM
Queen Victoria's Private Sitting Room and Audience Room in Windsor Castle in the 1890s

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/QVSR_WC.jpg)

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/LeRoiSoleil_2006/windsor/QVAR_WC.jpg)


In the top photo you can see the large painting is Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll. In the bottom photo, I believe the portraits are of her cousins, the children of Leopold I of Belgium.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: EmilyCragg on September 01, 2009, 02:34:21 PM

Wow.  You really know this family well, well over a hundred and fifty years ago. 

I find that absolutely awesome!

EEWC
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: PAVLOV on September 16, 2009, 06:26:46 AM
I read recently that Bagshot Park was the home of the Duke of Connaught, up until 1944, I think. He also lived in Clarence House. Does this mean that Bagshot Park has been owned by the Crown all this time ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 16, 2009, 09:45:22 AM
Yes, it has always been owned by the Crown Estate.

The original Bagshot Lodge was built between 1631 and 1633, one of a series of small lodges designed for King Charles I by Inigo Jones.  It was remodelled between 1766 and 1772 for George Keppel, the 3rd Earl of Albemarle.  In 1798 it was again remodelled for the Duke of Clarence (later King William IV), who lived there until 1816.  A later resident was Prince William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester, nephew of King George III; his widow, Princess Mary, daughter of King George III, continued to live there after his death until she moved out in 1847.  The original house was demolished in 1877-78. 

A new building with 120 rooms was built in 1879 by Queen Victoria for her son Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn. The Duke died at Bagshot Park in 1942.  The house thereafter served as regimental headquarters and depot of the Royal Army Chaplains' Department.  They vacated the building shortly before the Earl and Countess of Wessex took over the tenancy from the Crown.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 12:07:14 PM
here is a link to a black and white photograph of the ballroom annex at buckingham palace.
i think it is also called ballroom gallery (not to be confused with the east gallery)
the ballroom annex is the room which is next to the ballroom on the south side.
it is a long relatively narrow room but it looks beautiful.
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79488&index=12&mainQuery=new%20gallery&searchType=all&form=home
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 16, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
hanks!  I've never seen a photo of that space before!  If I'm not mistaken, that's the gallery which extends the length of the ballroom's south outer wall, and which almost appears to be "sticking out" of the end of the palace's principal floor in aerial photos.  From video I've seen of investitures, I believe honors receipients line up in this gallery before entering the Ballroom individually to receive their honors from the Queen. 

I wonder if, during banquets or balls, this space is used primarily as a staging area by servants, or if it serves more as an anteroom for guests?  From the floorplans I have, it doesn't appear that this gallery connects to anything except the Ballroom at either end (no staircases or other rooms).
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
the website that that link takes you has some wonderful pictures of the state apartments in buckingham palace during victorias reign.
they are virtually the same as they are today but there are some notable differences.
obuiously the beautiful roof in the picture gallery has been repleaced with the one we know today.
but in the the blue and green drawing rooms you will see that in the victorian era there were 6 identical chandeliers hanging in the blue drawing room compared to only 4 today (id love to know what they did with the two that were removed)
and also in the green drawing room today there are 4 chandeliers but at one time there were 5
the room had the 4 that are currently in there today but there was also a gigantic one in the middle of the ceiling that looked bigger than the main one in the white drawing room.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 03:09:02 PM
the blue drawing room in victorias reign
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125898&index=0&mainQuery=blue%20drawing%20room&searchType=all&form=home

Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 03:11:51 PM
the ballroom in victorias reign.
i think edward v11 was mistaken when he took on redecorating the palace.
this photo showing the ballroom in victorias reign really shows the beauty of the room.
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125896&index=0&mainQuery=st%20james%20palace&searchType=all&form=home
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
the east front of buckingham palace in queen victorias reign.
it was refaced to its very famous present look in 1913 by sir aston webb

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=56434&index=60&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace%20&searchType=all&form=home
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 03:37:15 PM
nikola on the picture of the principal corridor of buckingham palace that sais deputy controller of supply was that from some tv programme and if it was what was it called?
cheers
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 16, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
the east front of buckingham palace in queen victorias reign.
it was refaced to its very famous present look in 1913 by sir aston webb

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=56434&index=60&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace%20&searchType=all&form=home

Thank you, traditonalist! I've never seen the original facade before. Quite a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 16, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
here are numerous photos of the origional facade of the east taked late in queen victorias reighn and in the early 20th century under edward v11.
it was george v who had the east front remodelled in 1913 to put a more regal face on the palace and to make it act as a grander backfrop to queen victoria memorial which was unveiled in the same year.
the entire project of refacing the east front was thought to take at least one year to complete but it only took 13 weeks and not even one peice of window glass was broken

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125895&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=76673&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=76948&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=78998&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=78999&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=78999&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=80828&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=105080&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=105080&index=0&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home


the white drawing room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79478&index=0&mainQuery=white%20drawing%20room&searchType=all&form=home

the state dining room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79477&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

the blue drawing room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79479&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

the picture gallery
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79480&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

bow room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79481&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

1844 room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79482&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

principal corridor
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79483&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

east gallery
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=80914&index=0&mainQuery=promenade%20gallery&searchType=all&form=home

ballroom
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79490&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

the throne room (note the fact that there is only one chair of state under the canopy)
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79476&index=0&mainQuery=throne%20room&searchType=all&form=home

queens bedroom
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79471&index=36&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

grand staircase
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=79466&index=24&mainQuery=grand%20staircase&searchType=all&form=home

1844th room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125900&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

another veiw of the blue drawing room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125898&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

another veiw of the state dining room looking dow the west gallery towards the ballroom
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125897&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

another veiw of the spectacular ballroom
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=125896&index=48&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home

the music room
http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.aspx?uid=80075&index=60&mainQuery=buckingham%20palace&searchType=all&form=home


Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: architect on September 17, 2009, 08:45:24 AM
Thanks for the links.  There are other great photos on the English Heritage website of Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and Sandringham if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Condecontessa on September 17, 2009, 09:55:14 AM
Coul you post the links for Windsor Castle and Sandringham? And also, is there a link as well for Balmoral?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: RoyalWatcher on September 17, 2009, 10:36:28 AM
The ViewFinder website is FULL of content...my goodness!
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 17, 2009, 05:08:32 PM
here is a link to photos taken of rooms inside balmoral in queen victorias time and then underneath are pictures taken of the same rooms in the 1980's

http://www.balmoralcastle.com/IMAGEgallery1.htm

just click on the thumbnails for a larger veiw.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 17, 2009, 05:12:54 PM
balmoral interiors in queen victorias time and in the 80s on the actual balmoral estate website.
http://www.balmoralcastle.com/IMAGEgallery1.htm

click on the thumbnails for a larger veiw.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: traditionalist on September 17, 2009, 05:28:20 PM
yeah its a fantastic website
another good one is images of england.
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 18, 2009, 09:37:38 AM
balmoral interiors in queen victorias time and in the 80s on the actual balmoral estate website.
http://www.balmoralcastle.com/IMAGEgallery1.htmclick on the thumbnails for a larger veiw.

I find it astonishing.  If Queen Victoria walked into Balmoral today, I think she would notice very few changes from 1863.  The same furniture, much of it sitting in the exact same position.  The same styled carpets and draperies (with only a slightly different color palate).  Many of the same pictures on the walls. 

Given that nearly 150 years has elapsed between those photographs, I find myself debating whether or not that degree of continuity is comforting - or bizarre.  I mean, how many people do you know who would enjoy having their home exactly the same way their great-great-grandmother originally furnished it - right down to the last detail?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Douglas on September 18, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Good question Chris...

I think that their sense of self preservation depends on them appaering to be the same royal family generation after generation.

Maybe they would feel insecure of they started putting Andy Warhol paintings up in place of their long gone relatives.  And is it possible that  if the public saw this, they would might feel that the royals have lost their timeless mystery.

When I see royals doing what I do, they seem so very ordinary. [Which they actually are but we like to think of them as 'special'.]

If we all thought of royals as just common people, this website would not exist.
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: CHRISinUSA on September 18, 2009, 03:37:02 PM
OK, I do understand that - somewhat.  I mean, the royals only buy the finest furnishings, which are then meticulously cared for by an army of servants.  Unlike many of us the Queen isn't routinely wandering through her rooms mumbling to herself: "Hmm, that couch I bought on sale just didn't stand up to wear and tear very well, I suppose it's time to replace it next month" or "Darn it, someone left an empty glass on the cocktail table and now I can't get the water stain out."

And the Queen is known to be thrifty and sensible, so I can understand she would resist replacing something that is still adequately serving her needs.  But she has at her disposal one of the world's finest collections of art and furnishings, much of which lies in storage because there simply isn't enough space to display and use it all.  Wouldn't a normal person in that situation at least occasionally rotate a few pieces?

I also understand your point about "royal image" and "mystery".  But this isn't Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle or any other official residence where state guests are received and entertained.  This is Balmoral - a private family home set in the middle of nowhere, where the usual guests are only family and close intimate friends.  If you aren't surrounded by your favorite things here, than where?

I'm not suggesting a massive redecoration is in order, or even that Her Majesty hang a Warhol in place of a Gainsborough.  But for God's sake, in 150 years you'd expect at least a table to be moved from one side of a room to another, wouldn't you??? 
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Post by: cphiggin on November 29, 2009, 04:31:52 PM
Does anyone seen (and can post?) any pics of the inside of the Buckingham Palace swimming pool?
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 30, 2009, 07:08:18 AM
I think it's wonderful that so much of Balmoral has remained unchanged and it adds to the mystique!! It's so interesting to see furniture, pictures etc in the exact same rooms or spot that they where over one hundred years ago when Queen Victoria & her family where in residence!!
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Post by: joan_d on November 30, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
Good question Chris...

I think that their sense of self preservation depends on them appaering to be the same royal family generation after generation.

Maybe they would feel insecure of they started putting Andy Warhol paintings up in place of their long gone relatives.  And is it possible that  if the public saw this, they would might feel that the royals have lost their timeless mystery.

When I see royals doing what I do, they seem so very ordinary. [Which they actually are but we like to think of them as 'special'.]

If we all thought of royals as just common people, this website would not exist.



"Common People"   - exactly what are they ?
Title: Re: Royal Interiors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 12:32:16 PM
I think the present queen respected tradition very much (maybe due to the teachings of Queen Mary), as I guess why Balmoral was left as similar to QV's time as much as possible.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 30, 2009, 12:47:28 PM


"Common People"   - exactly what are they ?
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More ordinary people like you and I my dear ;) Now don't get your knickers in a twist, and we don't want any delusions of grandeur here, but we are not descended from thousands of years of Kingship, unlike H.M. The Queen~~~!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2009, 12:50:40 PM
Actually there are many who were decended from Kings and Queens but still only common Mr. or Mrs.
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Post by: Eddie_uk on November 30, 2009, 12:52:01 PM
I never said there wasn't!