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Title: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Ammie on June 24, 2004, 01:41:54 PM
I'm reading Romanov Autumn & on pg 48 its says that Olga (who was 3 yo) told Miss Eager about an old lady in a blue dress. Then as Olga & Miss Eager were walking through the rotunda in the Winter Palace Olga pointed to a portrait of Maria Alexandrovna.  Does anybody have any other information about this?  Thanks in advance!
Ammie
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Maria_Vanya on June 24, 2004, 05:52:00 PM
Sorry to say, I have no information on it but I tried looking it up on the internet and found nothing. I am interested in it too. I don't know why I have been having trouble finding anything on the subject. ???
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Sarai on June 24, 2004, 07:43:27 PM
Interesting story, I had not heard it before. Unfortunately, I have no information about it but it reminds me of a passage I read in Miss Eagar's book that alluded to the fact that little Maria and Anastasia also saw a ghost once. This happened the night that their young cousin Elisabeth of Hesse passed away. Here is the passage in full:

"Presently the two little Grand Duchesses, Marie and Anastasie, began to scream, and I ran into their room; I found them both standing in their beds looking terribly alarmed. They told me there was a strange man in their room who had frightened them. Now the rooms were in a suite, and they could be entered only from the dining-room, or from the second bedroom, and this bedroom in its turn could only be entered from the room in which the little Princess [Elisabeth] lay ill. It will therefore be seen that no one could have entered their room without our knowledge. The doctor and the little Princess's own faithful servantman had been in the dining-room all night.

I thought the night-light might have thrown a shadow which frightened the children into thinking there was someone in the room. I therefore changed its position, but still the children were afraid, and said he was hiding over by the curtain. I lit a candle, and taking little Anastasie in my arms, carried her round the room to prove to her that there was absolutely nothing to frighten her. The doctor came in and tried to soothe Marie, but it was useless; she would not be soothed and Anastasie refused to return to bed, so I took her in my arms and sat down to try to comfort her. She buried her face in my neck and clung to me trembling and shaking. It was dreadful to me to see her in such a fright [...] Marie kept talking about the dreadful person, and starting up in wild horror every now and then. The doctor came in and out, and told me the strange doctor had come and had given the little sufferer [Elisabeth] an injection of caffeine [...] When next Marie began to talk about the mysterious stranger I said, 'A strange doctor had come to help Dr. H. to make cousin Ella quite well, and perhaps he might have come to the door by mistake, or you might have heard him speak, but there is no one in the room now.'

She assured me that the stranger was not a doctor and had not come through that door at all, and did not speak. Suddenly she stood up and looked at something which I could not see. 'Oh!' she said, 'he is gone into cousin Ella's room.' Anastasie sat up on my knee and said, 'Oh! poor cousin Ella; poor Princess Elizabeth!' " The little girl died shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Merrique on June 24, 2004, 08:31:05 PM
Wow that was amazing.I have never heard that story before.I can just imagine poor little Marie and Anastasia being scared out of their wits.I think I would have been a little shaken as well. :o
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Thomas_A. on June 25, 2004, 04:03:38 AM
Shortly before Prince Alexander of Hesse (Battenberg), Empress Maria Alexandrowna's brother, died in 1888 he also had a strange experience:

He was sleeping when his daughter Marie (who wrote down this story in her "Reminiscences") sat next to his bed.
All of a sudden he opened his eyes and looked straight to the opposite wall. Marie asked him "What's the matter Papa? Do you see something?". He pointed to the wall and whispered: "My sister tells me that she is here! And she says that she is happy and that I'll be happy too". (The Empress had died 8 years before)
Peacefully he turned back into his pillows.
Marie went to her cousin Grand Duke Sergej and Ella (who visited her father Ludwig IV) and told them what Prince Alexander had seen.
Sergej fell down on his knees and with tears in the eyes he said: "Oh God thank you for hearing my prayer". Then he told them that he had prayed since several days that God would allow his dead mother to appear her passing brother and to comfort him.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: AGRBear on June 25, 2004, 03:28:14 PM
It was more than Maria's ghost in the lives of the Romanovs.

Since I am probably one of the old ones posting,    I am more in touch with the mystical world  my generation and those before me were a part.  I say this for several reasons.  In my youth, known to some as the Dark Ages,  we didn't have tv so we listen to the old timers and their stories.  Some stories were serious, some funny and the ones I like best were the ones about ghost.  When I'd ask if the story was "really true" the reply would be "yes"...  After a real good ghost story was told,   I would go to bed and in the darkness of the bedroom I'd see all kinds of shadowy shapes..... The bed covers would go over my head and I'd wonder if tonight I'd see a ghost beckoning me to some unknown border....maybe, even death.

I always have felt that  my generation was born on the border of the Dark Ages and the world of medical break throughs, computers and other great new things...  Today, most of what was once "mysterious" can be explained.  In my youth,  the mysterious was often explained in  mystical and spiritual terms.  And I assume both the mystical and spiritual were needed by Alexandra who's only son ended up with hemophilia....  

Alexandra was looking for answers....  The medical world didn't have any answers accept the fact that Alexis had a blood disorder which would probably kill him before he became an adult and were of no help to her or her son in his pain.  Unfortunately, someone recommended Rasputin, who claimed he not only had the answers but claimed he had  the power of God to help Alexis.

From that day to this, the dark shadowy ghost of Rasputin flies like the Disney creature of evil over the lives of the Royal Russian family.

AGRBear  
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Ammie on June 25, 2004, 07:15:34 PM
The stories of Maria Alexandrovna are so heartbreaking. The story regarding Prince Alexander is really touching.
I haven't heard of any of the ghost stories either but find them interesting.  I will look on the internet also.
Thanks Ammie
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: zoya_konstantinovna on May 30, 2005, 10:13:54 PM
are there any records of people seeing the spirits of the last IF?? ???
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 30, 2005, 11:36:33 PM
I'd hate to think NAOTMAA are now wandering spirits! I know some people claim to have seen Aleksandra. I don't know about the others.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Laura Mabee on May 31, 2005, 10:29:43 AM
Signs Over The Ipatiev House in 1990

  "This letter is written to you by the Cossack Vladimir. I would like to tell you about a manifestation (sign) that took place at the
moment when the cross was set up on the site of the Ipatiev house, where the Czar and his family were killed.
     On October 5, 1990, at about 11 a.m. - 12 noon, crushed stone was brought in a truck. The weather turned gloomy. The whole sky was filled with dark clouds, without any clear areas, and snow fell sporadically.
    The cross was taken from the vehicle and placed on the ground and then set in place.
     One of the people present, Alexei by name, went off to one side to take a look at how the cross had been set up, and whether it was leaning. Suddenly Alexei said, 'Look up!' We all raised our heads, and sort of tremor or fear passed through our bodies.
     Above us - that is, directly above the cross - the heavens parted and a ray of light fell upon the cross from a round clear spot in the sky."
     "The sun was not visible, and the opening in the clouds was rotating to the right: and on the
earth, around the cross within a radius of 150 - 300 feet, there was a  circle brightened by this ray of light from the heavens, and no snow was falling.      
  All this continued for about thirty to forty minutes, while the cross was being set in place and fixed with concrete, and then the opening in the clouds closed up.
     The light disappeared. Up to thirty people were present at the time. (At that moment, all of them were unbelievers.)
     When we asked a priest about this manifestation later, he replied that this was obviously a sign. The majority of us came to believe in God afterwards."

Credit to Romanov Memorial (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/)

Heavenly Hymns In The Ipatiev House

The story was told to Archbishop Melchizedek, who had then been the hierarch of katerinburg for many years.
At the time of the fall of the Soviet government in 1990, an old woman came to his office. Although she was not a believer, she felt that she was going to die soon and said that she had something she wanted to tell him.
After the death of the Czar and his family, the Ipatiev house had been turned into the "Museum of the Workers' Revenge,"to commemorate the death of the family. This woman, Anna, had been the night guard in the museum for several decades, and although the rest of the house was open during the day for visitors, the basement site of the family's murder was always kept barred and locked. No one, including the guards, ever went down there. Anna told the Archbishop that many times during her years of working there she could hear beautiful singing and see light streaming from the basement door when night fell. She said that the singing was as of many voices, and definitely church music. She would often creep up to the door to listen but was too frightened to go into the basement to look. She did not tell anyone, since she knew that if she reported such things she would be dismissed and possibly arrested. Archbishop Melchizedek asked Anna if she would sign an affidavit attesting to the truth of her story, but she refused, saying that she was too afraid of the KGB to sign anything that might get her in trouble.

Also Credit to Romanov Memorial (http://www.romanov-memorial.com/)


Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: ferngully on May 31, 2005, 02:16:07 PM
they seemed to know that the bolshie power was finished ;) ghosts are said to wander if they have unfinished business or that they died so quickly they didn't realise they were dead, if you can understand what i mean ;)
selina             xxxxxxx
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 31, 2005, 02:41:19 PM
I've always believed in ghosts, but I have trouble believing that the Romanovs are still hanging out in the basement. If they are, I hope they don't realize they're dead. If they think they're alive, all they know is that they're together. I'm just glad they don't keep reliving their murder, like some ghosts do.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Georgiy on May 31, 2005, 04:20:35 PM
They are alive - in Christ. The Bible clearly says there is no death. They have been glorified as Saints, and we can ask for their prayers and intercessions before God.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on May 31, 2005, 06:05:21 PM
Very true, I made this poem earlier this year or last year.

It sad to see you gone.

But you''ll be in my heart for ever.

It sad to not hear you're voice.

But it a joy to remember the good days.

it sad to see were you stay sleeping.

but I know you're always be right next to me, even though I can't see you.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 31, 2005, 06:32:02 PM
If we discuss religion it's going to get touchy, but I'm open to believe anything.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: zoya_konstantinovna on May 31, 2005, 09:29:38 PM
yah no kidden but i thot id bring it up cuz i completely believe in ghosts
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Shvibzik on May 31, 2005, 09:34:31 PM
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They are alive - in Christ. The Bible clearly says there is no death. They have been glorified as Saints, and we can ask for their prayers and intercessions before God.


And someday we will see them face-to-face. :o  (Sorry for bringing up religion again... :-X)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: zoya_konstantinovna on May 31, 2005, 09:38:53 PM
im not really religious but i believe in heaven god etc. and i hope to 1 day see them as u put it 'face to face' ;D :'(
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Shvibzik on May 31, 2005, 09:51:06 PM
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im not really religious but i believe in heaven god etc. and i hope to 1 day see them as u put it 'face to face' ;D :'(

:P  I think we all do.

But back to the "ghosts".
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: ferngully on June 01, 2005, 04:44:03 AM
anna might be hearing an echo of their singing on sundays ;) thats a happy echo of their last days
selina             xxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: xX_Mashka_Xx on June 11, 2005, 02:13:05 PM
I don't think NAOTMAA would have become ghosts. They seemed to accept what would happen as God's will, so there'd not be much to keep them in the Ipatiev house, or any other one of their palaces.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on June 11, 2005, 04:45:27 PM
Well, if there are ghosts, we don't really know what makes them ghosts. So NAOTMAA could very well still be here on this earth as ghosts. But I hope not.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: etonexile on June 11, 2005, 07:19:08 PM
I'm an atheist personally...but I love a good ghost story...or demonic story...like the "Exorcist"...it always scares me....and I knew someone who claimed to be a vampire in Venice....boy....did he look the part...I'd see him in bars and at parties....but I never wanted to see his..."place"... ::)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Anastasia_R on June 11, 2005, 08:53:49 PM
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I've always believed in ghosts, but I have trouble believing that the Romanovs are still hanging out in the basement. If they are, I hope they don't realize they're dead. If they think they're alive, all they know is that they're together. I'm just glad they don't keep reliving their murder, like some ghosts do.


I also believe in ghosts.It scares me a little to think that the RF may be ghosts and in that basement.But like you said,clockworkgirl21,at least they have each other.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on November 22, 2005, 08:17:31 PM
Speaking of ghosts, there is a photograph of Nicholas II, Alexandra Feodorovna, and the children, and in the picture, behind A.F. and Anastasia, there is the shape of a person standing behind them. While I'm not a skeptic, I wanted to say that that's absurd to think it's a ghost--that it must be some kind of chemical, or maybe the shadow of the photographer or someone else--but it really looks like it could be a ghost, and there's no other shadows in the picture. I'd post it, but I don't have the ability to post now. But I've seen the picture all over--in particular it is in the book "The Last Diary of Tsaritsa Alexandra". If anyone else has this book, it's the first picture in the first photo spread--opposite page xxxii, and the caption says "We 7."--Alexandra's diary, 1 January 1918. The imperial family, c. 1915. Has anyone else noticed this? It's very light, but visible. It even looks like there is almost a face on this figure. Spooky?
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on November 22, 2005, 09:25:48 PM
I have seen faces and such in tons of IF photos!! It gives me goosebumps. I wonder if the IF (NAOTMAA) are up to any hauntings today?? Besides this website!!lol

Sofi ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: julia.montague on November 24, 2005, 08:29:16 AM
There are many old pictures where it looks like there were ghostsin it, but in reality they were just people who ran through the room when the picture was taken. ;D

But the story about Elisabeth's death is really scary :o
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on November 24, 2005, 01:19:11 PM
Wow! That one with Maria and Anastasia was very interesting. I know they were very young, didn't Ella die in 1903? Anastasia would have only been two, so she wouldn't remember it, but maybe Maria did?
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on November 24, 2005, 01:23:15 PM
About the IF haunting, I saw a thread somewhere around here, and it was about someone seeing the ghost of Aleksandra. I'm not sure if it was at a palace, or the spot where the Impatiev House stood, but I think it was very interesting. I believe in ghosts, so I think it's possible.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Anastasia_R on November 24, 2005, 07:49:18 PM
Oh!I agree with you fully clockworkgirl!I'm extremely supersticious(in fact my school is haunted)and something makes me believe that these are all quite true-the on about poor Elisabeth truly spooks me! :o
(Which I may add rarely happens with me and ghosts,loll ;)).And may I add that wasn't one of Henry VII(is that correct? ???)'s wives was believed to be a ghost.This is just a rumour I heard though.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on November 26, 2005, 04:33:25 PM
I've heard that about Henry the eighth's wife, Anne Boleyn--she was his second wife, and the mother of Elizabeth I. She was imprisoned in the Tower of London and then beheaded there for 'commiting' treason--the problem being he had tired of her and she had not bore him a son, so he wanted to be free to move on to the next wife. How many wives did he have executed? (Not including his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, who died practically forgotten by Henry, in her old age. But his treatment of her is at least partially responsible for her health failing so quickly.)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Cecilia on December 03, 2005, 12:35:27 PM
Do you see the person standing over Anya? What do you think it could be about? Maybe something was wrong with the film...it's really wicked though. The whole spirit world is so fascinating. If the Romanov's are ghosts, I do hope they are not suffering and have found their way home.

(http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/94.jpg)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: julia.montague on December 03, 2005, 01:49:05 PM
That's just somebody who moved while the picture was taken. No gost ;D
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Baby Tsarevich on December 06, 2005, 12:26:36 AM
That picture above was one of those that Anastasia most likely asked someone to take for her, she has a series of "odd" photos, like for example the one where she looks like she's floating! ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: SuSu on December 06, 2005, 09:27:01 AM
Perhaps it is simply one photo superimposed on the other??

Wasn't photograpy still in the early stages at that time?

I remember some of our photos in the 1970's had that problem also.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: imperial angel on December 06, 2005, 10:50:42 AM
That stories are very interesting, I was fascinated. I believe in ghosts, and have heard some ghost stories recently that intrigue me, and these are some of them. The links between our world and another one are fascinating, and we desire to know, but we really don't. Ghost stories are our way to explain these things. Ghost stories are age old, but new too -we hear them everyday. At the end of one of the Alexandra biographies, I believe that it is the Greg King one, it says something about what might be the ghost of Alexandra. It is on the last page of this biography, if anyone wants to look.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on December 06, 2005, 12:44:32 PM
Could you write it here please? :D
About Anne Boleyn's ghost, I think that she also haunts the Queen Anne hotel. Its located in California, I think.I would not want to see her ghost, she had purple eyes...spooky! :o


Sofi 8)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: imperial angel on December 07, 2005, 08:23:28 AM
Yeah, I will quote it here tomorrow, I don't have it with me today. It is a rather hard book to get your hands on, by excellant reading. I think it is the best biography out there of her. ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: julia.montague on December 07, 2005, 09:16:59 AM
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Perhaps it is simply one photo superimposed on the other??

Wasn't photograpy still in the early stages at that time?

I remember some of our photos in the 1970's had that problem also.


I think photography was invented more than 50 years before.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: imperial angel on December 07, 2005, 10:13:48 AM
Still, photography was not as advanced as today, and this wasn't a ghost  in the Anastasia photo whatever else it might be.  ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Russian_Duchess_#5 on December 07, 2005, 01:39:08 PM
What happened with the Anastasya pic, happens with MANY Romanov photos. But, I don't think they were ghosts, just people moving about.  ::) ;)

Sofi ;D
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: imperial angel on December 08, 2005, 11:07:18 AM
Here is that bit about Alexandra's ghost, it is told by a former curator of the Alexander Palace sometime before 1994, his name was Anatoly Kuchomov:'' One night while working in the empty palace he caught a glimpse of a shadowy figure of a tall middle aged woman dressed all in black who quickly disapeared as he turned his head'' ( King, 1994,p.391) He said it was ''an uneasy prescence''. This is from The Last Tsarina by Greg King, cited APA style as I recently had to  do for a research paper I was writing :P It is on the last page, and is rather interesting.. ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Cecilia on December 08, 2005, 06:01:23 PM
 ~~But, Imperial angel, how did he know it was the ghost of Alexandra?? I have a hard time imagining her as a ghost, she was just too religious. Usually, at least from the paranormalists types I've talked to, it seems that many ghosts, of which were somehow famous in life, were mostly or all atheists of some sort and didn't know they were dead. I was talking to someone the other day who said they heard Hitler was a ghost...wow...that too is hard to imagine....Hitler?!

~~As for the picture, I suppose it isn't at all ghostly. But, still, I just think it's really rather odd. Who knows?...You all mentioned in earlier posts about other Romanov pictures that seem to have "faces" or "ghost-like images." Is there anyway that any of you can get some of these pictures? I've looked, but I just can't find any. Maybe these "ghosts" are only visible to certain people...lol sort of ridiculous if you think about it. ::)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: imperial angel on December 09, 2005, 10:27:20 AM
I don't know if this account is true of Alexandra's ghost or not, and I was just offering it because someone had asked to see it. I like ghost stories, and think them interesting, but not all are credible, and this one may not be, for all I know. It was someone who claimed to have observed it told it to someone, and it came to be on the last page of the book, and I didn't write the book. So I don't know the truth, but since this is a thread about Romanov ghosts, I just thought it was interesting. I don't endorse it as true, nor did I write it, and I doubt Alexandra is a ghost too, because many other women could fit the description provided by this man.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on January 04, 2006, 10:17:25 PM
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Do you see the person standing over Anya? What do you think it could be about? Maybe something was wrong with the film...it's really wicked though. The whole spirit world is so fascinating. If the Romanov's are ghosts, I do hope they are not suffering and have found their way home.

(http://www.livadia.org/ana/1907-1912/94.jpg)


That was one of Anastasia's trick photos. The IF enjoyed doing things like that (I've done that with film on purpose and by accident plenty of times). What it is in that specific photo, first the photograph was taken of Nicholas bending over the spot. Then they took a second photo, with Nicholas gone and Anastasia lying on the seat. The two pictures were taken on the same spot on the film, so they were imposed to make it look like there was a ghost.

The picture I described way before (from the Last Diary of Alexandra book) is one that couldn't possibly be that phenomenon, so perhaps that one is really a spiritual being of some sort? Who knows...
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Sainte-Claire1875 on January 04, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
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About Anne Boleyn's ghost, I think that she also haunts the Queen Anne hotel. Its located in California, I think.I would not want to see her ghost, she had purple eyes...spooky! :o


Anne Boleyn in California? What would bring the Tudor queen to American soil? I don't know if I can believe that much. Nor could I believe the purple eyes. That just seems far-fetched. But it is very likely that she does haunt the Tower, as that is where her untimely death occurred--and it was a horrible way to die--being beheaded. That kind of thing could create some sort of a haunting, I'm sure. Traumatic and horrible events often lead to some sort of an energy being left behind...
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on January 08, 2006, 02:24:59 PM
I've read where many of you were visited by members of the IF, returned here from the spiritual world.

I've had dreams about them--most recently, I dreamed of the murders.  I was one of the daughters, don't know which, and I felt pressed against my torso something sharp which wouldn't go through. I was terrified.

At least, for me, it was only a nightmare.

Peace,

Nadezhda
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: RomanovFan on June 24, 2006, 08:00:16 PM
Hi.
I don't know if anyone has ever heard of this cable tv show called "MOST HAUNTED". It's this group of spiritual pshycics and historians that go explore old English houses and castles that are supposed to be haunted. They go in and talk to spirits that supposedly roam that area. The show airs on the Travel Channel, Fridays I think.

I've always wondered if they'll ever go abroad, and of course, to Russia to see if the Church of the Blood is haunted by the Imperial Family. Maybe they could talk to NAOTMAA and find out what really happenend to them; what it was like for them in those final hours and maybe say who is missing from the grave...

Does anyone else hope this might happen? I think it'd be interesting.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: David_Pritchard on June 24, 2006, 11:57:56 PM
Now we have seen it all. Questions regarding Romanov ghosts and low budget pseudo-reallity shows. I do not believe that they would spend the money to visit Russia when they have thousands of convenient houses to serve their purposes (low cost entertainment) in the UK.

Should there actually be a church which the IF haunt, I suggest visiting the Cathedral of Saints Peter and Paul, for most of them are buried there and in front of which the four grand dukes, Pavel Aleksandrovich, Nikolai Mihailovich, Giorgii Mihailovich and Dmitri Konstantinovich were murdered in 1919. It should be remembered that the son of Peter the Great, Aleksei Petrovich, was also murdered in the surrounding fortress and buried in the little room (under the stairwell to the steeple if I remember correctly) across from the room where Nikolai II, Aleksandra and the rest of the Ural victims are buried.

David
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: TheAce1918 on June 25, 2006, 11:21:12 AM
I agree with David

But still...it would be interesting.  If it all was taken seriously and not some silly special on the Sci-Fi Channel or something like that!
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on June 25, 2006, 03:21:39 PM
Ive always thought about posting a thread on Romanov Ghosts   and Haunted Romanov Palaces :)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: RomanovFan on June 25, 2006, 03:46:59 PM
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Now we have seen it all. Questions regarding Romanov ghosts and low budget pseudo-reallity shows. I do not believe that they would spend the money to visit Russia when they have thousands of convenient houses to serve their purposes (low cost entertainment) in the UK.

Should there actually be a church which the IF haunt, I suggest visiting the Cathedral of Saints Peter and Paul, for most of them are buried there and in front of which the four grand dukes, Pavel Aleksandrovich, Nikolai Mihailovich, Giorgii Mihailovich and Dmitri Konstantinovich were murdered in 1919. It should be remembered that the son of Peter the Great, Aleksei Petrovich, was also murdered in the surrounding fortress.

David


Hmm...I never thought of that. The money part of it I can understand...Russia's pretty far from...well anywhere, really! Peter and Paul Cathederal, I suppose it would make more sense for a haunting to happen there because that's where most Romanovs are buried, but I always thought the Church of the Blood would be it for the IF because that's where they all died...you know?

I just thought it would be interesting to see...see if Prince Christo was right about his apirition of Tatiana saying that AA wasn't Anastasia.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: David_Pritchard on June 25, 2006, 04:00:16 PM
Actually no member of the Imperial Family died where the Church of Our Saviour on Spilled Blood was built. I do believe that one or two members of the Imperial Cossack Escort were killed here by the bomb that mortally wounded Emperor Aleksander II on 1 March 1881 Old Style or 13 March 1881 New Style. The spot is named spilled blood because the emperor lost his legs or parts of his legs (thus large amounts of blood) here but he died in the Winter Palace.

David
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Tania+ on June 25, 2006, 04:25:11 PM
I'm sorry, I decided I would like to share a statement. For the mainstay of real Russian Orthdox believers, and I am one, we give no credence to ghosts, houses haunted, channelling, or anything of the like. We certainly hold on to what has been our foundation for all these centuries, our religion, our faith, and the holy bible, nothing more, thank you!

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Azarias on June 25, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
Actually, if you want to know about the IF haunting places....... just take a good look around here!
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Dominic_Albanese on June 26, 2006, 08:57:10 PM
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Actually, if you want to know about the IF haunting places....... just take a good look around here!


amen sista.... ;D

dca
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: ferngully on July 03, 2006, 03:30:26 AM
i've not seen the programme, but you know, if they did do that there, it might increase interest about the family. just a thought
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Nathalie on July 03, 2006, 05:57:29 AM
I got to agree here with Tania, though with a certain distinction: I beleive in things, what might look like ghosts, but they are not...I beleive, our emotions, or let's say emotional fingerprints can be strong enough to cerate a special atmosphere in certain places, even after we left it. Perhaps in the above mentioned places we would feel kind of fear or Angst...But I want to beleive, that the souls (if souls exist..) are not there, trapped between two or more worlds, dimension, whatever you call it, but I like to think of them as entities who already found inner peace-call it Light, Heaven, Nirvana or anything else.
I am not sure I was able to express these in English.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: TheAce1918 on July 03, 2006, 11:42:38 AM
I agree with Nathalie regarding our 'emotions'.  And I respect Tania's post.  
But I still believe that the imagination runs wild with legends like these.  The fate of the IF was very sad and rather untimely...no matter what political opinion.  :'( The thought that so many authors perscribe as 'a fairytale world' triggers the mind to believe that their spirits/ghosts are still living the lives they knew so well.  
I myself have thought of it, though I cannot say that I believe in ghosts or or the supernatural[unless I witness it ;D ;)]  but when I look at photos of the old palaces, the ballrooms and chambers, I often wonder if they were still there, going about their lives.  For those who wonder and even believe, if the Standart still roams the waters near Finland, or if an opulent ball is taking place at Livadia just as the sun sets.  It was out of respect, admiration and curiosity that the psyche weaves. :-[
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Nathalie on July 03, 2006, 04:31:58 PM
At times like these I regret heavily, that I am so dumb in picture adding-don't even try t explain, Im a natural born philos and will probably never understand:( anyway, there is one pic circulating in this forum about 2 grandduchesses, maybe Marie and Olga, im not sure..They are standing on the Standart and talking with one sailor. The pic has this yellowish-brownish colour...The ship's deck is empty, only 3 persons and the road of the deck runs literally to the sky, cz on the photo, you cannot see the end.

I looked that picture for minutes silently and I felt like these 3 persons are frozen there...it gives such an empty, strange feeling, like it is in an other dimension. Like those 3 will always stand there in total silence and watch each other-it was kinda weird feeling, really.
Perhaps in an other dimension or whatever you call it, they still dance there somewhere in the palace. Some people say, in places of great battles, such as Verdun or Waterloo, sometimes scream and war-cry can be heard, as if the soldiers are destined to fight over and over again.

Ok, its getting creepy:)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: TheAce1918 on July 03, 2006, 07:46:41 PM
Not too creepy.  I know what you mean about Verdun and Waterloo.  Same thing over here with the battlefields of Gettysburg and Antietam.  But back on topic... ;D
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: RomanovFan on July 06, 2006, 12:44:02 AM
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Not too creepy.  I know what you mean about Verdun and Waterloo.  Same thing over here with the battlefields of Gettysburg and Antietam.  But back on topic... ;D

I've heard the same about those places. ;) Anyone seen the movie "Remember the Titans"? There's a scene where all the boys are at football camp and they're running at 4:00 in the morning and the coach takes them to Gettysburg---was that the REAL battlefield with all the gravestones or was it a set?
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: TheAce1918 on July 06, 2006, 01:25:25 AM
Its possible.  The filming locations are probably listed at IMDB.com.  It has to be near, in or right at Gettysburg, Penn.  
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Holly on July 07, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
IMHO, I don't think there would be any ghosts where the IF are buried. Ghosts hardly ever haunt the place that they are buried. Its always where they lived or died. Ghosts are people who die and don't go into the light, or tunnel, whatever you want to call it, and are trapped inbetween. Thats why you can see them better than spirits that have passed on. I think it would be really interesting to go to the site of the Ipatiev house and see whats there.  :)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Grace on July 08, 2006, 05:25:11 AM
That's the program where they take along a couple of wire coathangers and try to contact the spirit of Joan Crawford, among other luminaries, isn't it?  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]  [smiley=laugh.gif]

They sit about in a darkened room that the departed person spent time in, then claim to hear faint voices, see shadows moving and other "psychic" phenomena.  

I don't think that anyone who truly reveres this family would try to "contact" them in this undignified way or in any other way, to be honest.

Let them rest in peace.

  
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Holly on July 09, 2006, 11:38:41 AM
So you think that if a person tries to contact a lost family member like this, that they love them or respect them any less? Obviously they love them enough to try to contact them in the first place. I agree that these kinds of television shows can really be undignified, but its human nature to be curious about such things. They have been at peace for more than 80 years now, I don't see a wire coathanger disturbing heaven.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: AlexieNichole on August 01, 2006, 10:49:37 PM
I agree with Holly, it would be where the IF was murdered as the most likely place they haunt.  Although I can also see them haunting their former palace(s).  I personally dont think they were at rest right away, especially if one or more of their children were alive.  Possibly once they realized everyone of their family, including extended was safe and sound, including the Empress herself and after Lenin was brought down that would help them rest more soundly

I would like to think that yes they are happy together now and all together.  That they watch down on their beloved Russia and their family, possibly wishing there were not a split over who was heir to the throne and wishing that Nicholas were cleared of all charges and their family officially recognized as a formal part of the Russia today.  I think that would make them, and a lot of other people very happy

I also would like to think that they are all very happy that we remember them so well and honor them the best we can
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Jebediha on November 26, 2008, 04:08:11 PM
Interesting story, I had not heard it before. Unfortunately, I have no information about it but it reminds me of a passage I read in Miss Eagar's book that alluded to the fact that little Maria and Anastasia also saw a ghost once. This happened the night that their young cousin Elisabeth of Hesse passed away. Here is the passage in full:

"Presently the two little Grand Duchesses, Marie and Anastasie, began to scream, and I ran into their room; I found them both standing in their beds looking terribly alarmed. They told me there was a strange man in their room who had frightened them. Now the rooms were in a suite, and they could be entered only from the dining-room, or from the second bedroom, and this bedroom in its turn could only be entered from the room in which the little Princess [Elisabeth] lay ill. It will therefore be seen that no one could have entered their room without our knowledge. The doctor and the little Princess's own faithful servantman had been in the dining-room all night.

I thought the night-light might have thrown a shadow which frightened the children into thinking there was someone in the room. I therefore changed its position, but still the children were afraid, and said he was hiding over by the curtain. I lit a candle, and taking little Anastasie in my arms, carried her round the room to prove to her that there was absolutely nothing to frighten her. The doctor came in and tried to soothe Marie, but it was useless; she would not be soothed and Anastasie refused to return to bed, so I took her in my arms and sat down to try to comfort her. She buried her face in my neck and clung to me trembling and shaking. It was dreadful to me to see her in such a fright [...] Marie kept talking about the dreadful person, and starting up in wild horror every now and then. The doctor came in and out, and told me the strange doctor had come and had given the little sufferer [Elisabeth] an injection of caffeine [...] When next Marie began to talk about the mysterious stranger I said, 'A strange doctor had come to help Dr. H. to make cousin Ella quite well, and perhaps he might have come to the door by mistake, or you might have heard him speak, but there is no one in the room now.'

She assured me that the stranger was not a doctor and had not come through that door at all, and did not speak. Suddenly she stood up and looked at something which I could not see. 'Oh!' she said, 'he is gone into cousin Ella's room.' Anastasie sat up on my knee and said, 'Oh! poor cousin Ella; poor Princess Elizabeth!' " The little girl died shortly thereafter.

i think it was the angel of death. But it is quit a story
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Jebediha on November 26, 2008, 04:11:20 PM
I don't think NAOTMAA would have become ghosts. They seemed to accept what would happen as God's will, so there'd not be much to keep them in the Ipatiev house, or any other one of their palaces.

they do not need to be ghost. They could visit places. Saints can probebly do that
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: rgt9w on October 03, 2009, 09:42:11 AM
I couldn't see the ghost in the photo, but I thought some members who like ghost stories might find this interesting.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4655259.Is_this_the_ghost_of_assassinated_Russian_Tsar_/
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on October 03, 2009, 10:06:23 AM
Oh it's interesting!, thank you very much for the link!...although I have to say that I consider myself a sceptic.
The "ghost of Alexander II" can be just an effect of light or a reflection...according to me.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Lady Nikolaievna on July 15, 2010, 04:56:42 PM
I've never heard of any of the girls experiences with ghosts! I know Anastasia started to scream when she saw Princess Ella dying, but I didn't know she actually saw a ghost.  :O
That's very interesting... I'd like some more references to the girl's experiences, if you guys have it.
Thank you for posting this
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: susana on September 27, 2010, 12:58:53 AM
SuSu you are right about the old photographs superimposing two frames on top of each other--they were hand wound and perhaps they had no stops for the next frame. Also I've seen that photo of Anastasia and the soldier leaning over her labeled as a trick.

Once in the Alexander Palace I found myself alone in the entry to the Romanov wing and I felt drawn toward the side stairs leading to the second floor. I actually went up about 4 steps but was so overcome with fear that I'd be arrested by the KGB that I just couldn't do it. My heart was pounding and I could hardly breathe because I wanted to sneak up there so badly but didn't. I have a regret about that.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: LondonGirl on November 14, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
I'd hate to think NAOTMAA are now wandering spirits! I know some people claim to have seen Aleksandra. I don't know about the others.

Wandering spirits? It seems to me that if the concept of a spiritual entity is accurate, then interaction with a former environment associated with the life of the entity could occur merely by subconscious direction of attention even if the entity is reincarnated, by a similar means as remote viewing seems to utilise. But of course that is way outside any orthodox scientific preferred thinking. lol.
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Dru on December 03, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
According to Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar, Grand Duchess Alexandra Iosifovna organized a seance, and the ghosts of Nicholas I and Grand Duchess Alexandra Alexandrovna (eldest child of Alexander II; she died of meningitis at age six) appeared: The witnesses claimed to hear something tapping the tune of "God Save the Tsar."  Empress Maria Alexandrovna believed none of it and would not come to another seance because she thought they were being manipulated by the devil.         
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Chris_H on January 30, 2012, 08:39:37 AM
Very interesting topic:
I always felt that three places must have some type of activity
1)The Winter palace
2) Tsarskoe Selo, Catherine palace and the Alexander
3) the Mikhailovsky castle
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: edubs31 on January 30, 2012, 09:54:43 AM
Very interesting topic:
I always felt that three places must have some type of activity
1)The Winter palace
2) Tsarskoe Selo, Catherine palace and the Alexander
3) the Mikhailovsky castle

Not to be a buzz kill but I always find it rather amusing that 95% of ghost stories are reported by people living in older homes, generally decades older than the current residents. How is it ghosts sightings are so prevalent in colonial or Victorian era homes, but if someone dies in a stylish modern flat in New York City you rarely hear anything? lol. Funny how ghosts seem to want to haunt homes that are naturally creaky, and drafty to begin with...

Also I find it interesting about the reports of what they're wearing. If you were buried in a suit or gown why is it that ghosts are usually wearing something else when seen? And, to that point, why are ghosts wearing clothes at all? When you die and, as we all probably hope for, your soul exits the body leaving your body behind to return to the earth. But the clothes you were dressed in don't also die...nor as lifeless inanimate objects do they possess a soul of their own to be taken with them into the afterlife.

I guess I feel like, for more (or perhaps any) of these stories to be true we should see a lot more hauntings in newer buildings and by naked ghosts, lol :-)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Chris_H on January 30, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
LOL :) Very interesting and amusing question, newer buildings and naked ghosts haha :) Well it can also be connected to the land and what has occured there, sometimes you can have a newer building that has hauntings if its sitting on that piece of property or some buildings and people don't even want to report if they see a ghost or they don't believe what they have seen or they don't advertise it.  I don't know, I much rather see a ghost in clothes than naked. 
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: edubs31 on January 30, 2012, 11:05:42 AM
Well it can also be connected to the land and what has occured there, sometimes you can have a newer building that has hauntings if its sitting on that piece of property or some buildings and people don't even want to report if they see a ghost or they don't believe what they have seen or they don't advertise it.

Fair point!

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I don't know, I much rather see a ghost in clothes than naked.

Depends on "who" is the ghost in question...wouldn't you say? ;-)
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Chris_H on January 30, 2012, 03:52:05 PM
lol oh yes, I think it would def depends on the person.  For example, a school that is in my home town is a newer building, however it is haunted by a ghost that doesn't even belong to that time period, the school was built on land that belonged to a state school which the state school sits across the street. Location, location.  Some buildings do give off a "feeling" or "vibe" that is the feeling I get when I look at pictures of the Mikhailovsky castle and I should add the Peter and Paul fortress
Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Alixz on January 30, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
You both have very valid points. I remember when my dad died in our living room of a heart attack, the little ones were worried about "ghosts" and "hauntings".

My very wise mother said, "He loved you in life, why would he haunt you in death?"  That took care of any fears right away.

But as to hauntings. It is thought that someone who had suffered a serious trauma might not want to cross over and might try to stay to correct any kind of problem that made life unbearable.  That is why battle sites and murder sites are often sources of stories of hauntings.

But new buildings do have their share of murders and heart attacks and in that line of thought should also have hauntings. And thinking along those lines then hospitals should be the "mother lode" of hauntings.

One other thing, it is not what the person is wearing when buried, but what they were wearing when the violent death occurred that people report seeing.  As if the soul and the "ectoplasm" left the body at the moment of death long before the burial took place.  But again that would mean that there should be a lot of ghosts in hospital "johnnies" roaming the halls of all major hospitals.

Title: Re: Ghosts, Hauntings & Mysticism in the Romanov Family
Post by: Chris_H on January 30, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Very true! Your loved ones are never really gone, I do think they come back to say hi or visit.  I do agree, newer buildings do have their share of drama and trauma and that can definitely leave a haunting of some type and yes a haunting is usually attributed to someone who has suffered a violent death such as in battle and murder.  There are hauntings of people who were very unhappy in life (unfortunately) or depressed. Definitely, hospitals, institutions, etc tend to be the hot spots of hauntings.  Oh yes, it is the clothes that they died in that ghosts are usually seen with on, for example ghost soldiers of the Civil war in the United states