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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna => Topic started by: Marc on August 25, 2005, 06:29:21 AM

Title: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Marc on August 25, 2005, 06:29:21 AM
Does anyone have colour portrait of Ella done by Kaulbach?
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Svetabel on August 26, 2005, 05:41:48 AM
I guess we should ask our grandduchessella for the colour portrait of Ella! ;)
Actually I saw somewhere the colour version of ...wish I knew where... ???
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: grandduchessella on August 27, 2005, 10:57:57 PM
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I guess we should ask our grandduchessella for the colour portrait of Ella! ;)
Actually I saw somewhere the colour version of ...wish I knew where... ???


I wish I could help. I don't think I've seen this one in color. I was lucky enough to purchase it though a few months back.  :D  A nice 11 x 16 print.

I would love to see a colour version since most of the color portraits I've seen of Ella are in more simple dress and would love to see her glittering. I think the tiara she's wearing is her aquamarine one. Lovely.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on September 26, 2005, 01:39:24 AM
Does anyone have more portraits and/or sketches of Ella by Kaulbach? Please please post. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on August 01, 2007, 02:00:55 AM
(http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/9/8/1/mystic_gem/f_4m_3bc992c.jpg) (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/8/1/mystic_gem/f_4m_3bc992c.jpg&srv=img01)

Found this portrait by Kaulbach. It's b/w but quite pretty though. Love to see this in color. Was it really drawn b/w (charcoal?) or in color?  :) Anyone can help?
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: LenelorMiksi on August 02, 2007, 06:02:02 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/elizabeth_2.jpg)

RN

I thought that this picture was by Kaulbach. 
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2007, 08:20:12 PM
Don't think so...However this is one of my favourite painting of Ella... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2007, 10:22:13 PM
Don't think so...

And why? That portarit in post by LenelorMiksi is really by Kaulbach. The original is in Pavlovsk palace.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 02, 2007, 11:43:35 PM
Really I must have it mixed up.  ??? Sorry...Since it was in Pavlosk..did it belong to the Constantinovitvh family ?  ???
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on August 03, 2007, 12:42:07 AM
Really I must have it mixed up.  ??? Sorry...Since it was in Pavlosk..did it belong to the Constantinovitvh family ?  ???


Perhaps it was only transferred in Pavlovsk after the Revolution from one of Ella's palaces.  ???
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2007, 03:00:38 AM
maybe or I heard Grand Duke Constantine was an admirer of Ella... ::)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on August 03, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
maybe or I heard Grand Duke Constantine was an admirer of Ella... ::)


Oh yes he was!  ;) Who knows perhaps KR (and his family) acquired the portrait when Ella became a nun. She was also a close friend of Mavra.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
Not that close with Marva...According to Dagmar (in a letter to her son Nicky) Ella was displeased that Marvra made a fuss about succeeding Ella's position in St.Petersburg and made some "not so nice comments".  ;)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Helen on September 01, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
The paintings posted are not all by the same Kaulbach, according to my information. The Schloss Museum at Darmstadt has a painting very similar to the one in reply 1, which was painted by Hermann Kaulbach, according to my museum guide. The paintings in replies 6 and 7, however, seem to have been painted  by Friedrich August von Kaulbach, the painter who also painted Nicholas, Alix en their girls in 1903.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 02, 2007, 09:02:51 PM
I think it showed Ella wearing quite possibly the arquamarines that she seldem wore in photos.  ???
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 07, 2008, 01:31:04 PM
(http://81.169.162.159/kettererkunst/kunst/picm/304/100601023.jpg)

A sketch of the Grand Duchess done in about 1892 - when several sketches for a representative canvas were done. F.A.v.Kaulbach
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 07, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
Lovely...Where did you find it ?
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 07, 2008, 05:02:44 PM
It was for sale in an auction some years ago....
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Russka Princess on August 08, 2008, 03:07:16 AM
ist really Ella ?  she look so boring, or tired

she look really like Alix.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: tom_romanov on August 08, 2008, 03:57:07 AM
ist really Ella ?  she look so boring, or tired

i agree it looks like it took a long time for the sketch to me made and she got bored!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Russka Princess on August 08, 2008, 05:21:03 AM
yeah its takes long time to sit all day and waiting till the man is ready to  design it.

poor ella
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on August 08, 2008, 07:11:42 AM
she was worn out and quite slim at that time - it was just after her beloved father's death. And after Serge's creation of Gouvenor General of Moscou the year before even Ella had to fulfill several additional duties I am sure. Plus: since 1891 she had to take care for Grand Duke Pawel's little children - then aged 2 and 1. She was unexperienced in caring for children and also had severe trials to face in addition to the Grand Duke's morganatic marriage.....

So it seems quite ok if her looks are not the most enthusiastical :)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Svetabel on August 08, 2008, 07:36:42 AM
ist really Ella ?  she look so boring, or tired

she look really like Alix.

To me she doesn't look tired or bored, just a sad but lovely expression of the face. I don't think you expected her smiling as CHE-EESE.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 08, 2008, 08:43:44 AM
Yes....Ella and her mother Alice had that sad expression in a lot of photos. Alicky looked more pissed than sad, while VMH looked bewildered in photos of her.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Russka Princess on August 08, 2008, 09:06:15 AM
yeah, the poor Ella, i didnt knew that it was after the death of her father.

i think that VHM hast look bewildered in her photos,i think she look more sad, sometimes bored.

But i have a pic where Vicky, ella, irene and alix look sad becuase of the death of their Mother. the poor girls..

i will search the photo about them.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Marc on January 18, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
Color fragment of Ella's portrait by Kaulbach:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ellakaulbach2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
Lovely. But some label the photo as Princess Alix...
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: grandduchessella on January 18, 2009, 06:37:05 PM
It was labelled at the time it was published in the 1890s as Ella.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 07:58:59 AM
In the Damstadt palace guidebook it was listed as Alix as in some other German publication. It is really Ella of course.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 27, 2009, 11:03:32 AM
Color fragment of Ella's portrait by Kaulbach:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ellakaulbach2.jpg)

She looks very much like Alexandra in this painting, I've never seen it. It's beautiful and more
beautiful Ella's expression ;-)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on December 10, 2009, 05:11:03 AM
This portrait can be found in Azerbaijan State Museum of Art in Baku.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 12, 2009, 04:59:02 PM
I hope that I can find it one day online. She looks really good on this painting... How old was she?
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on December 28, 2009, 01:31:54 PM
It was done in summer 1892 - so she was 27...................
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2009, 12:51:58 PM
About the portrait... the full verssion shows all her or just a part? i'm sure that the one posted
before is still missing a great part, just a close up...??
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Olga Maria on January 05, 2010, 05:27:22 PM
Here's the full B and w portrait:
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_ElizavetaFeodorovnabyKaulbach.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/ElizavetaFeodorovnabyKaulbach.jpg)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Marc on January 05, 2010, 05:45:11 PM
There was a whole portrait,but black and white...i haven't seen the whole color version of the portrait,just that fragment!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 11:11:43 AM
I do not think that the Hesse famiy still had it. It might have been destroyed in the War.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2010, 12:12:38 PM
Thank you veryn much for it dear Shandy!!! ;-D
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 06, 2010, 05:41:16 PM
I think there might be smaller versions of it in private hands.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 07, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
I think there might be smaller versions of it in private hands.

And in color too!!!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
The only small one we have seen. Maybe someone can look at the Sotheby's & Christie records to see if one has ever been sold.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2010, 02:53:26 PM
I had bought that print--it had been removed from an old magazine or book of the time--and have it in a frame on my wall along with Kaulbach's portrait of Queen Marie of Romania--or at least I will once hubby gets them hung up again in the new house. They form pendant portraits. : ) Because of the heavy paper they are printed on, I'm thinking they were probably from a book on Kaulbach's work from around the turn of the century. They are thicker than magazine papers (not as thick as the woodbury prints) but still thin enough to be fairly fragile.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
I know I lost out to you on Ebay...
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2010, 03:43:54 PM
Sorry.  :) That was a while ago--I'm surprised you remembered it was me. Was it for Ella or Marie? I bought both of them through ebay.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 07, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
It was Ella. Just one of those thnings.  ;)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: grandduchessella on January 07, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
Yes, I've been beaten out on more things then I'd like to remember. Some that would've just been nice to have, others some real treasures I would've like to have gotten. There was one bidder for the longest time who could go up to $300 or $500 on items. I don't have those kinds of deep pockets!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Svetabel on November 13, 2010, 12:08:48 AM
I came across the testament of GDss Elizaveta written by her just after GD Sergei's death. It's a draft in English, now preserved at the Russian State Archive.

And her will about her portraits (which belonged to GD Sergei) is such as:

(http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/9/8/1/mystic_gem/f_4m_3bc992c.jpg) (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/8/1/mystic_gem/f_4m_3bc992c.jpg&srv=img01)

Found this portrait by Kaulbach. It's b/w but quite pretty though. Love to see this in color. Was it really drawn b/w (charcoal?) or in color?  :) Anyone can help?


This should have been for her sister Viktoria.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/elizabeth_2.jpg)

RN

This - for sister Alix.

Here's the full B and w portrait:
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_ElizavetaFeodorovnabyKaulbach.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/ElizavetaFeodorovnabyKaulbach.jpg)


This had been given to a museum in St-Petersbourg.

Also she mentions 2 more Kaulbach's works:

A portrait in profile by Kaulbach - to GD Dmitriy P.
Pastel by Kaulbach, enface, red-blue colours, the forest in the background - to sister Irene.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 16, 2010, 08:59:44 AM
I wonder how many of them survived the wars...
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: gem_10 on January 21, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
I was able to find this portrait of Ella and Countess Elizaveta Semeonovna Olsoufieff. It was by Kaulbach and was commissioned by Countess Olsoufieff in 1912. The copy was very small, and anyone who has a bigger picture can post it here. Thanks!

(http://www.picatom.com/1r/H0027L03314604_th-1-th.jpg)[/URL]
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Olga Maria on May 05, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
I was able to find this portrait of Ella and Countess Elizaveta Semeonovna Olsoufieff. It was by Kaulbach and was commissioned by Countess Olsoufieff in 1912. The copy was very small, and anyone who has a bigger picture can post it here. Thanks!
(http://www.picatom.com/1r/H0027L03314604_th-1-th.jpg)[/URL]
I think the portrait of Ella which Svetabel quoted on her post above resembles the one which you are looking for. Or, could they be the same painting?
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2011, 08:30:03 AM
I don't think it is the same, but it could be another sketch done in the same sitting from another angle.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Marc on December 09, 2013, 06:07:10 AM
Unfortunately,only with watermark :(

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Ella_zps6b82f3be.png) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/auersperg21/media/Ella_zps6b82f3be.png.html)
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2013, 05:32:16 PM
Thanks. We finally know the color of that gown.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Olga Maria on December 09, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Indeed! Many thanks Marc!  It looks more beautiful in color! I like the yellow color of the gown. Though I always imagined it to be something pink!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
I thought so too with the pink topazes...
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 23, 2013, 12:04:19 PM
Indeed! Many thanks Marc!  It looks more beautiful in color! I like the yellow color of the gown. Though I always imagined it to be something pink!

I imagined something similar too until I found this.... Click here for a huge verssion!!!  (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Friedrich_August_von_Kaulbach_-_Portrait_of_18_year_old_Alexandra_Feodorovna.jpg?uselang=ru) , just click on the painting...

BTW, this beautiful portrait is now located at the National Art Museum of Azerbaijan

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/StunningElla_zpsbfefc0d3.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/StunningElla_zpsbfefc0d3.jpg.html)

I found it in a pair of Russian sites (mis)labeled as Empress Alexandra Feodorovna (even aged 18!) by Kaulbach, but I see this is in fact her sister, Grand Duchess Ella! :-) I wonder if this is the original and the one posted by Marc is a copy or the opposite ?? >>Thanks to Marc for the other verssion, I like its bright colors!
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Forum Admin on December 23, 2013, 03:16:01 PM
There were two original copies at least.  One was at Darmstadt, which is probably the one sold recently in Paris. Kaulbach often painted several copies and studies of sitters.
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 25, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
Maybe one in Windsor too...
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Marc on February 03, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
Indeed! Many thanks Marc!  It looks more beautiful in color! I like the yellow color of the gown. Though I always imagined it to be something pink!

I imagined something similar too until I found this.... Click here for a huge verssion!!!  (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Friedrich_August_von_Kaulbach_-_Portrait_of_18_year_old_Alexandra_Feodorovna.jpg?uselang=ru) , just click on the painting...

BTW, this beautiful portrait is now located at the National Art Museum of Azerbaijan

I found it in a pair of Russian sites (mis)labeled as Empress Alexandra Feodorovna (even aged 18!) by Kaulbach, but I see this is in fact her sister, Grand Duchess Ella! :-) I wonder if this is the original and the one posted by Marc is a copy or the opposite ?? >>Thanks to Marc for the other verssion, I like its bright colors!


No problem...for years we have been searching for it...I found this one in an auction site,but this is great,to see it without watermark ;) Thnx
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 25, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
Color fragment of Ella's portrait by Kaulbach:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/ellakaulbach2.jpg)

Found another different, sadly the size isn't much good : (

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/EllaHesse_zpseyn0o30g.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingCharlotte/EllaHesse_zpseyn0o30g.jpg.html)

I wonder how many different verssions of this painting exist??
Title: Re: Ella by Kaulbach
Post by: katmaxoz on December 15, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
Grand Duchess Elizabeth by Kaulbach 1892 - this is in the collection at Darmstadt and is a pastel painting. The artist seems to have done a few different versions of this image. This is not unusual for a large work where preparatory sketches are often quite elaborate and the artist may have been asked to do additional copies for other family members.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/4topz7.jpg)

http://i67.tinypic.com/4topz7.jpg

Grand Duchess Elizabeth by Kaulbach 1892 - this is in the collection at Darmstadt - pencil and crayon on paper

(http://i63.tinypic.com/1zx72iv.jpg)

http://i63.tinypic.com/1zx72iv.jpg