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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Imperial Family => Topic started by: jackie3 on July 05, 2004, 10:18:47 AM

Title: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: jackie3 on July 05, 2004, 10:18:47 AM
I came across this sculpture by sculptor Frederic Hart and it is supposedly based on OTMA and the original is owned by Prince Charles (their cousin).

Here are various views of the piece:
http://www.visionsfineart.com/hart/daughtodes.html
http://www.larrysmithfineart.com/frederick_hart_daughtersofodessa.htm
http://www.jeanstephengalleries.com/hart-daughters-bronze.html

and an article where the inspiration of the piece is mentioned:http://www.nashvillescene.com/cgi-bin/printer.cgi?story=Back_Issues:2004:April_1-7_2004:Arts:Art
and the quote from it:
A large portion of gallery space is devoted to another of Hart's major works: "The Daughters of Odessa," depicting the four daughters of Russian Czar Nicholas II, who were murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918. This sculpture, which recalls the artistic styles of Botticelli, Raphael and Rodin, is part of a series of elegant and poignant allegorical works depicting the supposed loss of innocence in the 20th century. The original sculpture stands in the grounds of Highgrove, England, the home of Prince Charles. On show at Belmont are a bronze model of the statue, the original clay maquette and life-size bronze reproductions of the four figures. "Daughters of Odessa" is Hart's last bronze and is perhaps his most beautiful, with four young women joined in a circle representing the fragility of life.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Mike on July 05, 2004, 10:51:54 AM
Any idea why it's called The Daughters of Odessa ?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: rskkiya on July 05, 2004, 10:59:05 AM
Jackie

Lovely images...but in all honesty I felt a bit ill (or maybe I ought to say "uncomfortable")  after looking at them ... something about them makes me think "pedophilia"   ???:P
Please don't see my comment as any insult to you...Its just a wierd reaction to the sculptures.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on July 05, 2004, 02:39:15 PM
Yes, the sculpture is nicely rendered. Very fluid, very graceful. I'll give the sculptor that.

However, I don't see a resembalance to OTMA, other than the fact that one is shorter than the others. Perhaps if I saw it in person . . .

I agree with previous posts in that the statues are so scantily clad, the overall impression is one of nublity and exploitation rather than "lost innocence" and "the fragility of life" and so forth. It has been said that total nudity is less provacative than a few items of the "right" clothing, artfully arranged, and I think this sculpture underscores that concept. Perhaps the scupltor is trying for a "Three Graces" effect (plus one!), but I do agree that it has a pedophille look to it.

And I too question the name.

In short, my response is a big "Hmmmm!"  :o

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: anna on July 05, 2004, 03:28:34 PM
"Supposed loss of innocence" in those dresses?
Ha....

Anna
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ptitchka on July 05, 2004, 03:50:48 PM
The sculptor would have clothed them modestly and included a similarly modest Alexei if he really wanted to portray the Grand Duchesses as they really were.   He's just hanging his hat on something and running off with an idea in the name of artistic licence.  Odessa was as progressive and bohemian a place in the 'teens as Tsarskoe Selo was insular and domestic, wasn't it?

It was most notorious a place because of the mutiny on the Potemkin.
 
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Dasha on July 05, 2004, 04:08:38 PM
I would have to agree with the posts regarding the sculpture.  It has something rather disturbing about it.  I understand the concept of creativity and interpretation, but this is niether, in my opinion.  Sorry for a rather direct and perhaps slightlly tactless comment.

Dasha
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: nerdycool on July 05, 2004, 04:58:30 PM
After looking at the pictures of the sculpture, I would say that my first reaction was interest. I wasn't sickened by how they were portrayed, but rather I saw a connection of OTMA and Greek Goddesses of mythological proportions, and in that, I found the beauty of it. Maybe it's just the artist in me. I followed on of the links listed above to see other works of Frederick Hart, and a page listed dozens of thumbnails of his art work. About in the middle of the pics, I ran into the Daughters of Odessa again, only this time made with clear acrylic resin, and the four girls were separated, and given titles of "Faith", "Innocence", "Hope", and "Beauty." And then there's a pic of the four "Songs of Grace" together in the circle. It seems to me that these four singles a little different than the single statue of the four together. But I think it's still OTMA. Faith would be Olga, Innocence would be Anastasia, Hope would be Maria, and Beauty would be Tatiana IMO. Or maybe perhaps "Daughters of Odessa" is a theme he has for women in history, and OTMA is just one of the sculptures in the series.  Anyway, here's the link to it:
http://www.jeanstephengalleries.com/hartprice.html
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on July 05, 2004, 07:25:33 PM
Those links are absolutely amazing! ::)
But I would have to agree with Nerdycool.I didn't see them as something sick or perverted.I saw the beauty in them and they also reminded me of greek goddesses.
Granted OTMA wouldn't have dressed like that but those sculptures are an artists imagination capturing OTMA's beauty.I don't think these sculptures were meant to seem perverted.I think they were dipicting OTMA as very beautiful young women,and he just wanted to let this shine through.At least thats my opinion. :)

Frederic Hart to me is a very gifted artist and I can see the beauty in his work. ::)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: rskkiya on July 05, 2004, 08:18:10 PM
Nerdycool & Merrique,

Hello!
Perhaps I wasn't very clear in what I posted earlier...
I don't actually feel that these sculptures are pornographic, its simply that I found - in my initial examination of the image- that there was just a touch of 'oddness" in the iconography... I found it just a bit "curious"... and perhaps disturbing.
Then again, many artist are trying to open the eye and disturb middle class sensibilities...Such is the wonderful danger of  all art !
R.

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on July 05, 2004, 08:29:05 PM
Yes, I can appreciate the symbolism. But as Pravoslavnaya pointed out, Odessa was hardly a bastion of Royal support, so I would imagine the sculptor was using irony in naming his creation.

The statue also recalls the concept in the Anastasia cartoon, of rather generic young women flitting about. Again, we're up against artistic symbolism rather than accurate portrayal.

Speaking for myself--and here comes the predictable caveat, but I truly don't consider myself a prude!  ::) -- I would have preferred the statues to be clad in filmy but concealing dresses, perhaps something similar to what the young actresses wore during the Livadia scene in Nicholas and Alexandra.  Keeping in mind that OTMA did not live out their lives as most people are priviledged to do so, and that they were considered by some to have been abused by Rasputin, and that during their imprisonment they were subject to some very unsavory scrutiney, I don't like the idea of them--or their images--being sexualized in the name of art. We're aware that they were pretty and desirable . . . a sculpture could indicate that, without dressing them (if they are indeed "dressed"!) like no-talent pop stars.

Hmm . . . I'm definitely on my soap box here, so my apologies if I offend anyone!

Still, I have to add that I would prefer the work, if it is to represent OTMA, not be so generic and so revealing of their bodies. Think of Tatiana's grace, Olga's introspection, Marie's wistful romaticism and Anastasia's comic attitudes. Again, speaking for myself, I would prefer statuary that would embody (hmm . . . no particular pun intended!) those qualities, rather than cavorting semi-nudity.  
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Luke on July 05, 2004, 10:01:01 PM
I am a big fan of Frederic Hart.  At the time of his death, I saw a retrospective on his work and a lengthy interview he gave.  His explanation of the Daughters of Odessa was as follows:  He was originally going to make the sculpture the four daughters of Nicholas II as a symbol of the death of innocence which began the 20th century and escalated thereafter.  As the work progressed, and as he became more schooled in Russian/Soviet history, he changed the focus and the name to Daughters of Odessa to represent not only the four grand duchesses, but also all innocents who fell under the Bolsheviks.  These initial murders culminated into the mass starvation of the Ukrainians under Stalin's thumb -- of which Odessa is the capital.  Therefore these four are strictly not the grand duchesses, but daughters of Russia in a general sense.    
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: nerdycool on July 05, 2004, 10:26:42 PM
I do understand where everyone comes from, since OTMA represents to me, wholesome innocence and goodness, and I'm sure that's how everyone else feels too. If someone were to mention to me (before I saw this statue) that there was a statue of them, I would imagine them fully clothed and not so sexual. But I also know that the world of art is here to broaden people's imaginations, and in some cases, to set the world upside-down. This sculpture, to me anyway, does both. I see the Daughters of Odessa standing on top of pink and orange clouds looking towards a dark stormy wind. Olga, Tatiana, and Maria seem to be shielding Anastasia from what's in front and to the sides of them. They are not in a perfect circle with one facing north, one south, one east, and one west. OTM are pretty much facing in one direction and A is turned a little, as if she's just starting to see the danger. Whatever happens to them, they will be together. After the storm for them, is eternal peace with the likes of Zeus, Hera, Eros, and Aphrodite on top of Mount Olympus drinking nectar.
Anyway, I was thinking about it... maybe Odessa is the closest place the artist could come to that would be a form of "goddess". Maybe that's a stretch... oh well.

Edited to say that I was writing my reply when Luke sent his reply. His makes a great deal of sense to me. And so I nod my head to that.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on July 05, 2004, 11:15:19 PM
My objection has to do not with nudity in art per se--I think people who go around putting fig leaves on statues, photos, etc., are idiots!--but with being true to the subject. These four girls were, to a large extent brought up in the tradition named after their maternal great-grandmother. So, depicting them as fanciful nymphs dancing about in diaphanous dishabille is, to me, to ignore the fact that they were four flesh-and-blood individuals--not abstracts--with strengths, weaknesses, desires and dislikes, who also were tremendously sheltered for most of their lives and had to deal with numerous shocks to their systems during the final 18 months of their existence.

I don't know what N & A's thoughts were on this particular area of art, but I do know that Victoria and Albert used to privately give each other art featuring prominent nudity! Still, I don't think either one of them would have appreciated any or all of their five daughters, once they had become adolescents, being represented in such fashion. And I have the feeling N & A would feel the same way.

Now, if the statue is to be considered from an abstract standpoint, Hart's "Odessa" works far better for me, although I still think the theme of innocence is rather disingenuous, considering his use of semi-draped in-your-face adolescent anatomy!  ;)  And, I appreciate Luke's explanation of the title; it makes sense. But wouldn't a more inclusive representaton of the population that fell victim to the Bolsheviks have been more appropriate--if not as interesting? My God, how about the nuns who were thrown into sea at Yalta, and the divers sent down to investigate later went mad seeing the loosened hair from their corpses, swaying in the water like seaweed? How about the young boys forced into fighting, much as children of both sexes in third world countries are currently forced into taking up arms?



Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Luke on July 05, 2004, 11:40:02 PM
I found a transcript of an interview that Frederic Hart gave on this to Ben Wattenberg on a PBS special called Think Tank.  The snippet on the Daughters of Odessa reads as follows:

"MR. WATTENBERG: Tell me about some of the sculptures you have here out at Chesley?

MR. HART: I’ve always dreamed of having my own sculpture garden, just creating one for myself. So that’s actually how I got into that size bronze, I just decided I was going to start to do them, and I just sort of did what I wanted to do, such as The Source, or The Daughters of Odessa, with the idea that we would sell what we could of them to continue making a living, but the main reason to doing them was to do them was to create my own sculpture garden of my own work.

MR. WATTENBERG: What is the allusion in title The Daughters of Odessa?

MR. HART: I’m a big fan of Russian history, and originally that started as a small sketch of the four daughters of Nicholas who were murdered. And then it turned into a larger allegorical work, as a tribute to all of the innocent victims off the 20th Century. It’s meant to speak to all of the things -- I even called it Martyrs of Modernism as a subtitle. What I’m talking about, of course, is the deliberate destruction of things that are lovely, beautiful and filled with life, as personified by all of the brutality of the 20th Century.

And I picked Odessa simply because of all of the horrible things that happened in the 20th Century most of them got a dress rehearsal in the Ukraine somewhere along the way, whether it was the Pogroms or the suppression of the rebellion of 1905, or the actual revolution, the Stalinization, the collectivization of the peasants, the famines, the holocaust, the Nazi invasion, Chernobyl, all of the most dreadful things of the 20th Century were sort of played out in the Ukraine, so by making a tribute to all of the innocent victims of the 20th Century, I thought Odessa was kind of a nice poetic reference.


http://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript730.html
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: jackie3 on July 06, 2004, 01:19:19 AM
Luke, thank you for Hart's explanation. I confess I found the Nashville Scene article on the piece first and then sought out pictures of the sculpture thinking they would look like OTMA - they were nothing like I imagined and were far more abstract then I thought, more nymph-like, dancing in eternal gaity - then a sense of "loss of innocence". I'm still not quite sure what I think of it - I can see (and in a sense agree with) both Janet's and nerdycool's point of view.

On it's own though it certainly it a beautiful sculpture. I wish a could afford a copy myself :'(
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: rskkiya on July 06, 2004, 10:34:25 AM
Hello again,

 Well- I've looked at this sculpture again. Although I admit that had I seen it in a gallery I doubt I would have given it a second glance- I can now state that it would have made a more effective image as four nudes. (Really I am not a pervert ;))
 Not as the daughters of the Tsar, but as four young maidens expressing all the suffering millions of the 20th century...ok. Not very original, not very remarkable but ok. Technically it is a fine work- if a little contrived and precocious - but it's just that  - ok. The floating tissue just seems a bit...tasteless ?

feel free to call me a philistine :D
R.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Adele on July 06, 2004, 12:26:37 PM
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Hello again,

  Well- I've looked at this sculpture again. Although I admit that had I seen it in a gallery I doubt I would have given it a second glance- I can now state that it would have made a more effective image as four nudes. (Really I am not a pervert ;))
  Not as the daughters of the Tsar, but as four young maidens expressing all the suffering millions of the 20th century...ok. Not very original, not very remarkable but ok. Technically it is a fine work- if a little contrived and precocious - but it's just that  - ok. The floating tissue just seems a bit...tasteless ?

feel free to call me a philistine :D
R.


An artist can only create what s/he finds emotionallymoving.  Yes there are a lot of other moving stories; the nuns that Janet mentioned, etc.  But an artist doesn't and couldn't possibly create what everyone else finds moving; s/he has to choose among all those subjects.

So, this particular artist found the sensual, the delicate and poetic (judging from his interview) ---the things that seem to always be destroyed by other's (who are not so delicate or poetic) cruelty in war, etc., to be his subject.  For him, the young women represented those fleeting things that were dear to the artist.

Now, personally I don't find the sculptures sexual at all. To me, they are sensual.  But not sexual.  For me there's a big difference, but not everyone feels that way.  I loved the lyrical lines to the delicate garments along with the movement of their bodies.  For some, these things need to be celebrated.    For this artist, he also must have felt the need to express this celebration to others; to remind us perhaps, of the beauty of youth, the fragility of youth, of young women (and men!), of the delicacy of the fleeting moment that before we know it, can race towards death; sometimes a violent death...

Adele
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on July 06, 2004, 07:37:04 PM
I think that was very well put Adele.I was thinking pretty much the same thing but was having trouble expressing it.Of course it's hard to think straight with 5 kids running around driving me crazy lol. ;D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Adele on July 07, 2004, 07:15:06 AM
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I think that was very well put Adele.I was thinking pretty much the same thing but was having trouble expressing it.Of course it's hard to think straight with 5 kids running around driving me crazy lol. ;D



Hi Merrique,
   FIVE KIDS???????   And I think I can't think straight without my cup of coffee in the morning.!!  You are amazing.    FIVE KIDS!!!!

Warm wishes,
Adele
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on July 07, 2004, 12:54:34 PM
I'm with Adele on this one . . . five children?! Yikes!

I used to teach school--at one point, a classroom of 38 children, some second graders, some third graders. But at least they were within the same age range and (for the most part  ::) ) obeyed la maestra! (They were ESL kids, too . . . and since I didn't speak a high level of Spanish--well, are you beginning to see why I no longer teach?!  :P ) At any rate, my straw boater is off to you, Merrique . . . five children is darn near a tribe!

And speaking of tribes, I've read that OTMAA, and particularly OTMA, were referred to in at least one reference as sometimes behaving like "wild Indians." Which made me wonder what sort of cultures other than their own they were exposed to, or had knowledge of  . . . perhaps a new topic for this forum?!  ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on July 07, 2004, 04:18:55 PM
I can't take credit for having all five kids though.3 are mine and 2 are my husbands.I think I have a bit of the Romanov family going on at my house,we have 4 girls and one boy,all ranging in ages from 13 to 4.I can just imagine all the noise and antics Nicky and Alix went through with five children.

Speaking of other sorts of cultures we have a mixture in my house,My husband and his children are hispanic and me and mine are american.It makes a very nice culture mix where we learn from each other.Maybe that would be another good topic to start,the different cultures OTMAA were exposed to.Great idea Janet. :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Maria_Vanya on July 18, 2004, 05:31:13 PM
I have heard that they have wax sculptures of The Romanovs in Russia and London, I have pictures of the two. I forgot where the one in Russia was, I can't find a museum name or city. Does anyone have any info. on this? ???
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on July 18, 2004, 07:49:39 PM
When I visited Yalta in 1992--as part of a four city tour, the other cities being St. P., Kiev, and Moscow--we did visit Livadia Palace. Adjacent the main building was a wax museum which our tour leader, Dr. Robert Feldman, said had not been there the year before. The museum included various wax figures from Russian history, but you'll forgive me when I say that the only ones I remember are those of the IF and--adjacent them--Prince Felix and Rasputin! That exhibit still exists, and my friend Vladimir sent me a recent photo of the IF wax figures. I'm sorry that I don't have scanning capability or I'd share it with everyone!  

P.S. Of course, remember that Yalta being in Ukraine--which was celebrating its first year of independence from Russia during our visit--the exhibit is not in Russia!  ;)
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on July 18, 2004, 07:54:15 PM
In 1999, in the wax figures museum of the Belosselsky-Belozersky palace i saw a wax group of the Imperial family. Also there was a wax figure of Nicholas in an exhibition that used to be in the Stroganov palace. Nicholas´ figure was in the former Corner Dinning room. The Stroganov palace has since been restored and there is no wax exhibition now, but i suppose those figures in the B-B palace are still there. Hope this helps...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Maria_Vanya on July 26, 2004, 11:31:43 PM
Thank you all, I appreciate the info!!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Belochka on July 26, 2004, 11:38:58 PM
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I was not so impressed but can recall Peter the Great and Nicholas II standing next to eachother - Peter had his hand on Nicholas' shoulder. A rather strange arrangement anyhow - the tall and powerful Peter next to the tiny and small Nicholas.

Harald


Perhaps this grotesque display could be symbolicaly viewed as the first Emperor of Russia extending his hand down to the last Emperor of Russia? ;)
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Post by: Helen_Azar on July 28, 2004, 11:50:51 AM
Harald,

I visited the same wax museum on Nevsky in St Petersburg, even picked up a book from there for fun. Yes, I remember the two figures of Nicholas and Peter the Great next to each other (they are in the book as well). Madame Tussaud's it was not, but really not so bad, better than I expected in fact. They also had figures of other Romanovs, including Catherine the Great, Emperor Paul, etc...


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When visiting St. Petersburg last year I visited a rather obscure wax figure museum on the Nevsky Prospekt - I was not so impressed but can recall Peter the Great and Nicholas II standing next to eachother - Peter had his hand on Nicholas' shoulder. A rather strange arrangement anyhow - the tall and powerful Peter next to the tiny and small Nicholas.

Harald

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 28, 2004, 11:53:03 AM
Maria,

Were the Romanov wax figures in London at Madame Tussaud's or another wax museum? I have been to Madame Tussaud's, last time in 2000, but didn't see any Romanovs. Unless they are new, or I somehow missed them. Just curious....

Helen

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I have heard that they have wax sculptures of The Romanovs in Russia and London, I have pictures of the two. I forgot where the one in Russia was, I can't find a museum name or city. Does anyone have any info. on this? ???

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Maria_Vanya on July 28, 2004, 02:07:04 PM
Yes, the website said they were at Madame Tussauds. I was just looking up pictures of the Romanovs and that certain web link popped up.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Michelle on July 30, 2004, 11:21:11 PM
I have to say that out of all of them, Maria looks VERY realistic---those eyes, the same rosy cheeks,same eyebrows, the same exact facial structure altogether!  It's like I'm looking at an actual picture of her!!!!!!  :o  Tatiana looks like your typical freaky deaky mannequin--she kind of gave me the heebie jeebies  :P  Olga looks somewhat realistic, more so than Tatiana, but seems not as beautiful as the real life Olga.  Anastasia is second after Maria as far as looking realistic, and Alexei and Nicky look fairly realistic as well.  I didn't see a close up of Alix though.
I'm scared to go to bed tonight though because Tatiana's wax sculpture reminds me of some horror movie revolving around sinister looking mannequins who come to life and go on a killing rampage.  Hope I don't have nightmares. . .  ::)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Maria_Vanya on July 30, 2004, 11:42:15 PM
Haha, I feel the same way Michelle!! :) ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Olga on July 31, 2004, 03:16:20 AM
The mannequin of Nikolai Alexandrovich looks like the actor that played Dr Botkin in N+A.

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on July 31, 2004, 04:19:56 PM
Saint-Petresburg:

Nicholas II and Peter I
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/5.jpg)

Alexei and Alexei (!), the sons of the previous
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/6.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on July 31, 2004, 04:21:57 PM
Alexander III
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/4.jpg)

Nicholas
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/10.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on July 31, 2004, 04:23:41 PM
Nicholas & Alexei
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/8.jpg)

Alix
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/13bis.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Annie on July 31, 2004, 05:03:32 PM
Thanks for the pics, some are very good and some are not so good but all interesting! There are wax figures of Yussoupov and Rasputin in the Moika basement murder room, and also Felix and Dmitri somewhere on the Nevsky according to the book "Flight of the Romanovs."

Check out the height difference in the Nicholas/Peter the Great pic! That is about accurate, 5'7" vs. 6'5"! Now we know how he felt standing next to Nikolasha at 6'6"!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Louise on July 31, 2004, 05:10:19 PM
Thanks for posting those pictures of the wax sculptures. Weird and goofy, but true, I enjoy that kinda silly stuff.

Louise
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Michelle on July 31, 2004, 10:37:52 PM
Holy cow! Peter the Great makes Nicky look like a pipsqueak!  :o  The picture of Alexei and Alexei looks weird--a huge scuzzy sinister looking man with an innocent looking little boy on his lap--it just doesn't look right, like the big one's waiting for the right moment to abduct the little one.  ::)  I must say they did a very good job on Alexei (Nikolaevich).
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on August 01, 2004, 04:00:14 AM
From the Moika Palace:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/13.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/palaisyoussoupov.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/12.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 01, 2004, 09:36:54 AM
I am very glad to see these pictures, thank you for sharing them. However, I think they look pretty tacky !
Madame T's in London has a Romanov family exhibit which comes out periodically. I think probably when there is sufficient interest. I have not seen it in years but I recall it being rather decent, as these things go.
So that is the infammous FP show ! Is it stll there? I heard it had been taken down while renovations were going on. Other than the figures looking tacky, the room does not look like they had more monsy than good [to me at least]. Are these supposed to be original furnishings ? Period taste I suppose.
Anyway, thanks for sharing,
Cheers,
Robert
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Post by: Sunny on August 01, 2004, 10:30:25 AM
Yikes!!!

Sunny
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ptitchka on August 01, 2004, 02:00:39 PM
  :o   There is something almost distressing about Peter the Great putting a hand on the Tsar-Martyr's shoulder, or innocent St. Alexei sitting on the knee of Alexei Petrovich - 'You see, Alyoshenka, there was no way I could stand up to my father....' is not what I see him saying.

I did almost like the rendition of Nicholas carrying his son (almost true to the situation down to a paralyzed leg), but I'd rather see that pose on an icon than done in wax.  Wax is eerie.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Maria_Vanya on August 01, 2004, 02:57:56 PM
Off subject, exactly where did Nicholas get his shortness from? Was it his mother???
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sandy on August 01, 2004, 03:21:12 PM
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Off subject, exactly where did Nicholas get his shortness from? Was it his mother???


Yes.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Louise on August 01, 2004, 04:00:19 PM
I would venture a guess and say Nicholas's small stature came from his mother. If you compare Nicholas and his cousin George, you can see not only that they look alike, they have the almost the same build and height.

Louise
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 02, 2004, 11:31:12 AM
I have recently been told by a friend of mine, who works at the wax museum here in SF, that there is a re-creation of the murder scene at one of the Tussaud's museums. I have not been to the London one in years, but I do not think it is there, I most likely would have heard about that. [she said she would check for me, but we do not talk very often, more by chance than anything that we run into each other].
My guess is one of the Canadian ones. Anyone have any information on this ? Apparently these things get rotated amonst the various museums around the world.  This would most likely be in the de rigeur "chambre of Horrors"  part of any such place.  Sounds pretty greusome  to me. Also, most of these places do not allow photos inside, for obvious reasons, also obvious  the Russians are pretty loose in this regard & it shows !
Cheers,
Robert
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Post by: Lisa on August 03, 2004, 03:06:04 AM
You're welcome, Maria Vanya!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: azrael7171918 on August 03, 2004, 02:01:07 PM
Is anyone aware of an exhibit that actually portrays the murder? Some time ago maybe about 5 years, a woman from Brooklyn she was Russian was selling a copy of a photo from a museum exhibit. She has since been thrown off of ebay and other auction sites for nondelivery.

She even had a website where she was going to sell address labels and such of the Family.

I know there is a museum in Ekaterinburg I am wondering if this is where the exhibit is.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Silja on August 03, 2004, 03:45:31 PM
I agree with Robert. I also think those wax works are all pretty tacky. But I also like such stuff, so thanks for putting the pictures here!

There's a Romanov exhibit at Mme. Tussaud's London? I've been several times. It was never on display when I was there  :'(. But my last visit was quite some time ago.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 04, 2004, 06:00:57 AM
The Tussaud's exhibits are always changing. Depends on who is in the news. Even the Princess of Wales comes & goes I think. I would imagine the last time the Romanovs were "on show" was during the dna story or the funeral. As I recall from some years ago, it is a re-creation of the famous family portrait that makes so many book covers. I remember being very impressed, but I was also very much younger then. Probaly leave me pretty cold now.
Cheers,
Robert
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Post by: Lisa on August 12, 2004, 06:34:34 AM
from wax museum in st petersburg:


http://www.wax.ru/

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Post by: azrael7171918 on August 12, 2004, 11:11:41 AM
Lisa
:DThank You Thank you Thank you!!!!!

That is the photo of the Celler I was referring to previous.

Do you know if it is possible to purchase photographs or even an exhibit catalog from them?

Azrael again Thank You
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Post by: Lisa on August 12, 2004, 11:16:32 AM
Actually, I don't know... But, they have an email, maybe you can aks them... ??? I've already seen the "wax-cellar" somewhere but I forgot where! If I remember, I will post it...
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Post by: azrael7171918 on August 15, 2004, 03:41:44 PM
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from wax museum in st petersburg:

Word of advice. I just emailed the address on the website for contact and it was returned as undeliverable.

Azrael
http://www.wax.ru/


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Post by: Helen_Azar on August 15, 2004, 07:56:36 PM
I just visited the Moika Palace this spring and saw the basement room with the wax figures, very goofy!  ::)They would be so much better off without them!

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From the Moika Palace:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/13.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/palaisyoussoupov.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/12.jpg)

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on November 06, 2004, 08:52:29 PM
I recently spent a few days at my grandmother's house in North Carolina.  My grandmother is a huge porcelain doll collector and when I got there the first thing I noticed was a beautiful Alexandra doll standing on a marble table.  That night I noticed a doll in the room made by the same company with the name, "Lara, Legendary Russian Beauty."  I am probably just having a blonde moment but, does anyone know who this doll is supposed to represent?  I cannot think of a Lara off the top of my mind.

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Dashkova on November 06, 2004, 09:02:09 PM
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I recently spent a few days at my grandmother's house in North Carolina.  My grandmother is a huge porcelain doll collector and when I got there the first thing I noticed was a beautiful Alexandra doll standing on a marble table.  That night I noticed a doll in the room made by the same company with the name, "Lara, Legendary Russian Beauty."  I am probably just having a blonde moment but, does anyone know who this doll is supposed to represent?  I cannot think of a Lara off the top of my mind.



Ever read a certain book by Pasternak?
Or seen the movie?  :-/
(Dr. Zhivago)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on November 06, 2004, 09:13:41 PM
no
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on November 06, 2004, 09:17:37 PM
Oh!  I'm sorry!  I knew that I was being stupid, yes I have read the book before, it is somewhere on my bookshelf, lol I am an idiot.  ::)
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Post by: Olga on November 06, 2004, 09:50:40 PM
Larisa Guishar
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Post by: Ming on November 06, 2004, 10:44:58 PM
Hey...no idiots here!  The only way to learn is to ask questions.

I have a small collection of porcelain dolls, and from what I know, I believe that the doll you saw was made by Madame Alexandra, who has made many, many dolls over the years.  "Madame Alexandra" is used as a brand name.  There are many different brands of dolls, but I know she has a wide variety of dolls. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on November 07, 2004, 09:51:02 AM
Hello Elisa :),

The dolls the grand duchesses had were mainly done of bisque(head) and composition( for the ball jointed body).

The major part of their dolls were made in germany(the land of the dolls), by the best dollmakers such as Handwerck, and Simon and Halbig(most frequently) and Kammer and Reinhardt. I´ve also seen a couple of "Dream Babies" i think from Armand Marseille.

They also had French dolls( mainly "Jumeau"), that were produced in a far smaller scale and therefore were much more expensive than those from Germany.

The grand duchesses´doll collection was really incredible, i would say the largest in the world. We must remember that to have just one of the smaller dolls(cabinet size or even the so called frozen charlottes that were quite tiny if i remember well) was considered quite a luxury at the time.

In adition to those smaller dolls the grand duchesses had life size lovely dolls(36 inches or more), and extensive complements, trouseaus, trunks full of wonderful clothes, with french lace and all the things we could ever imagine.

A middle class girl from that time would have think she was in paradise if she would have seen all these things.

Today, a well preserved, dressed in period clothes french doll by Jumeau can easily cost 6000 dollars.
One good 36 inches girl by Handwerck might cost around 1500 dollars. And those are the prices you can find in Ebay auctions, if you go to an antiques shop it would be much more expensive.

I love this kind of bisque dolls, so i hope people will add more information on this very interesting(at least for me :) ) thread...

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on November 07, 2004, 11:08:41 AM
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Hey...no idiots here!  The only way to learn is to ask questions.

I have a small collection of porcelain dolls, and from what I know, I believe that the doll you saw was made by Madame Alexandra, who has made many, many dolls over the years.  "Madame Alexandra" is used as a brand name.  There are many different brands of dolls, but I know she has a wide variety of dolls. Hope this helps.


Hey Ming,

No, the doll was not made by "Madame Alexandra", it is part of the Hamilton Collection.  I wrote down what the card said on her hand in case I needed it later:

Alexandra
Last Empress
of the
Russian Empire

An exquisite connosieur doll strictly limited to a worldwide edition of 4,950, "Alexandra" is available exclusively through The Hamilton Collection.  Each doll has been crafted in fine bisque porcelain, delicately painted by hand and dressed in hand-tailored clothing.
Hand crafted in Taiwan.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Elisabeth on November 07, 2004, 05:29:58 PM
Antonio, how did you find out so much interesting information about OTMA's dolls? Is there a doll book (or books) that mention the grand duchesses' collection?

And what happened to the collection? I know it was still intact in the 1920s, but wasn't it dispersed later?

Is that enough questions for you? *Sorry* I'm just completely fascinated by this topic.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ptitchka on November 07, 2004, 05:51:49 PM
I do have a precious little treasure though from Madame Alexander:  In the 'Great Queens' series one finds the Tsarina Alexandra.  She wears a teal sarafan and a kokoshnik of stiffened gold lace.  Now I only wish they could have come up with the rest of the family!  Imagine the five Imperial Children, how sweet they would look even with the standard 'Madame Alexander' faces.

The doll artist Jan Garnett has made limited edition numbered dolls of three of the Imperial Children - Tatiana, Anastasia and Alexei (called Alexis).  I have seen the Tatiana and Anastasia dolls for sale on eBay.

The English doll artists Crees and Coe have also made some dolls of members of the Imperial Family:  the Empress in court dress, Anastasia in a Tercentenary dress, I believe, and Alexei all ready to help out on the Day of White Flowers.  They are pricey!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on November 07, 2004, 08:29:16 PM
The Anastasia doll by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/anastasia2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/anastasia1.jpg)

The Tsarina Alexandra doll by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/emperess_alexandria.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Michelle on November 07, 2004, 08:32:17 PM
Oh my goodness!  They're beautiful!!! :o  Can you post the Tatiana one?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on November 07, 2004, 08:32:35 PM
The Alexei Doll by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/Alexei_full.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on November 07, 2004, 08:35:18 PM
I haven't found the Tatiana doll yet.I'm still looking for it.When I find it I will be happy to post it. :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on November 08, 2004, 06:59:46 AM
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Antonio, how did you find out so much interesting information about OTMA's dolls? Is there a doll book (or books) that mention the grand duchesses' collection?

And what happened to the collection? I know it was still intact in the 1920s, but wasn't it dispersed later?

Is that enough questions for you? *Sorry* I'm just completely fascinated by this topic.


Hello Elisabeth,

You can find good information on this subject in the catalogue of the Santa Fe exhibition "Nicholas and Alexandra: At home with the last Tsars and his family".

Also, there´s a wonderful catalogue from an exhibition held in Moscow called "Na Detskoi Polovine" (At the children´s wing" that have a lot of info of this kind( although it is in russian).

This catalogue you could find in Gilbert´s Royal books web page. It´s expensive but absolutely worth of it.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Angie_H on November 08, 2004, 01:33:31 PM
Mattel has a collection series called Princesses of the World and this year they came out with a Russian Princess
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/russianbarbie.jpg)
It reminds me of this pic of Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/Olgain17thcenturydress.jpg)
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Post by: Angie_H on November 08, 2004, 01:43:59 PM
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I am so getting that Russian Princess! Thank you so much for telling us about it, Angie!

Anastasia my husband started my collection a few years back (which he regrets!  :P LOL). This one is the next one I am definately getting. They're not that expensive either! I would love to get the Franklin Mint dolls but they're too much! I would love for Mattel to do a Princess doll wearing court dress (like Alix or MF wore)
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Post by: Angie_H on November 08, 2004, 01:49:50 PM
And of course there are the dolls they put out based on the cartoon "Anastasia" movie  :P (retching noises here)
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Post by: Sarai on November 08, 2004, 02:00:57 PM
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I would love to get the Franklin Mint dolls but they're too much!


Angie,
I got the two Franklin Mint dolls on eBay. The Alexandra doll is fairly common, but the Anastasia doll comes up for auction once in a while. Franklin Mint originally sold the Alexandra doll for $200, but I got it on eBay for $85. The Anastasia doll I believe originally sold for $60-$80, and I got it on eBay for $60. Not much of a savings there, but I was just happy to get one as they seem to be rather scarce on eBay.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ashanti01 on November 08, 2004, 02:04:09 PM
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Mattel has a collection series called Princesses of the World and this year they came out with a Russian Princess
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/russianbarbie.jpg)
It reminds me of this pic of Olga
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/Olgain17thcenturydress.jpg)



I was hoping the Princess of Russia would have a more ..how should I say "Romanov" court style to it, but oh, well I'll still buy it. I have been waiting for it for some time now
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Post by: Angie_H on November 08, 2004, 03:09:53 PM
Mattel also does a "Women of Royalty™ Collection". They only have 2 dolls so far. One is Marie Antoinette and 1 is Elizabeth I.
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/shelf.aspx?deptid=2&shelfid=150011
I would love them to do one of Alix. They are expensive!
$250 each!
My husband would kill me then have a heart attack!
ROFL!
But the detail on these 2 dolls is so great! And I gotta say the face on that 1st Tsarina doll is ugly!
:P

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on November 09, 2004, 05:02:59 PM
Here's another Anastasia doll by The House of Faberge and The Franklin Mint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/duchess5_jpg.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/duchess2_jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on November 09, 2004, 05:29:17 PM
The Four Grand Duchesses by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/OTMAdolls.jpg)

Unfortunately this picture isn't very big but it's all I could find right now.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ptitchka on November 09, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
The Madame Alexander 'Anastasia' is as sweet as I imagined.  Let's see, Papa and 4 more children to go....

Thank you 'Anastasia Fan'!  :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ashanti01 on November 14, 2004, 07:54:40 PM
Not yet, I tried looking for it too.

It will be released next year, or at least that is what the lady at the store said.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand_Duke_Alexei on November 14, 2004, 08:04:39 PM
I took a picture of the Alexandra doll by the Hamilton Collection, out of all the pictures of her dolls I still like this one the best, I will post it very soon if someone reminds me, I am sure that all of you will enjoy it.  :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Angie_H on November 16, 2004, 06:51:29 AM
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NEXT YEAR?! I can't wait that long!

AnastasiaFan
Go to this site:
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/
Click on New Dolls
I had that problem too, wanting a doll, but the stores took forever to get them. This site offers it right now
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Post by: Denise on November 16, 2004, 10:33:57 AM
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AnastasiaFan
Go to this site:
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/
Click on New Dolls
I had that problem too, wanting a doll, but the stores took forever to get them. This site offers it right now


Thanks for the link.  Am glad to read this. I have never been one to collect dolls, but dragged a friend of mine all over town last weekend looking for this one. She was amused to see me tearing through toy stores and departments.  ;)

Denise
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Post by: Angie_H on November 16, 2004, 10:53:18 AM
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Thank you!

:D Welcome  :D
I hate going store to store to try and find something! I do most of my Christmas shopping online now. I figure the money I would spend on gas going from store to store I can spend on the shipping and handling
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Post by: Denise on November 16, 2004, 11:14:40 AM
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I do most of my Christmas shopping online now. I figure the money I would spend on gas going from store to store I can spend on the shipping and handling


I do the same thing.  I have 2 children under 3, so I like to shop online after they are in bed.  No worries about them seeing the toy aisle and wanting the toys.  And the online coupons and discounts more than compensate for the S&H costs.

But I keep trying to figure out how to keep my soon to be 3 year old away from any dolls I buy.  Presents a whole new problem...  Husband is hard enough!!  :o
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 16, 2004, 03:13:26 PM
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The Four Grand Duchesses by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/OTMAdolls.jpg)

Wow! Those are neat! What link did you find that from? I'll search high and low to get a bigger version!
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Post by: Forum Admin on November 29, 2004, 09:55:11 AM
Ashanti
Your posting was removed as we do not permit links to ebay items for sale. We do not want to turn this educational site into a commercial one. Also, the link would simply become null 30 days after the sale ended so would just be useless as an archive.
Thanks.
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Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: ashanti01 on November 29, 2004, 09:56:48 AM
Oh, sorry I just thought the doll was pretty.

There is a doll from Faberge called Natalia the Spring Bride, along with Katya the Summer Bride and Katerina the Holiday bride these are part of a collection, I think  which also includes the Aleksandra Winter Bride
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: chintz22 on December 10, 2004, 10:49:39 AM
Hi All,

A doll costumer sold a lovely version of Alexandra that can be seen here in her archive: http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/alexandra.htm
and the Franklin Mint has a doll of Alexandra with wardrobe choices and another of Anastasia.  I won't post the link since it is a commercial site but if you search on the FM site you will find them.

Best,

Sarah
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Post by: Nicholaievna on December 10, 2004, 11:29:22 AM
That Alexei doll is simply adorable, and the Russian Princess is gorgeous too.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: lex on December 10, 2004, 03:58:59 PM
So I never posted or anything but I usto have a lot of dolls and I ran acrss this site with three grate Alexandria dolls. http://www.excelsiordolls.com/portrait_dolls.htm I wish I could buy one but I have No money right now.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Alice on December 10, 2004, 05:58:58 PM
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Here's another Anastasia doll by The House of Faberge and The Franklin Mint.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/duchess5_jpg.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/duchess2_jpg.jpg)


Oh my . .  the clothes are beautiful, granted, but the doll itself resembles Catherine Zeta-Jones more than Anastasia.  :D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Alexandra on December 10, 2004, 06:11:46 PM
Most of the 'Alexandra' dolls look more like Joan Collins from her 'Dynasty' days! But the one from excelsior is extraordinary.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Janet_W. on December 10, 2004, 06:45:10 PM
From what I can see, the Excelsior Doll designers have some integrity; they've actually worked at creating likenesses of their subjects, rather than dressing up Barbie doll prototypes.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on January 26, 2005, 02:34:53 PM
While looking for some picture of the Romanovs to colorize I found some new dolls.Hope everyone enjoys them.Here's the link for the website.
http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/

Nicholas and Alexei
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/nich2son-head-sm.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/nich2son-full-lg.jpg)

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Post by: Merrique on January 26, 2005, 02:35:43 PM
Alexandra
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/alexandra-half-lg.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/alexandra-full-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on January 26, 2005, 02:36:33 PM
Alexander III
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/alex3-half-lg.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/alex3-full-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on January 29, 2005, 11:17:44 AM
Wow! I wish I could buy the ones from http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/ !!
;D

Thanks for posting those!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lanie on January 30, 2005, 11:48:34 AM
Apparently their Russian collection is nearby me at the Ventura Museum!  Yay!  I should go down there...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Angie_H on January 30, 2005, 12:44:46 PM
I wish Mattel would put a Barbie out dressed in court dress like we see OTMA dressed in.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: bball33 on January 31, 2005, 04:34:18 PM
I feel extremely stupid asking this and it has probably already been asked but where can a poor 12-year old get some of these dolls. :-/
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Merrique on January 31, 2005, 07:05:53 PM
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I feel extremely stupid asking this and it has probably already been asked but where can a poor 12-year old get some of these dolls. :-/


No question is a stupid question.Most of the dolls posted here are able to be can be bought on the websites listed with them.But I must say most of them are very expensive.The recent Russin Barbie should be able to be found in any store that sells toys and dolls.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 02, 2005, 05:12:18 PM
I saw some of these at a fashion show/benefit last fall. They are quite pretty but a couple of hundred ? I think you might add a zero or maybe even two !
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Guinastasia on February 03, 2005, 07:48:16 PM
The closest I have are dolls from the animated movie, but I would LOVE to get the Faberge Anastasia-I think she's just the cutest little thing!

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 04, 2005, 01:22:59 AM
I have been a collector of all types of dolls for about
ten years now.  Sadly the only Russian Dolls that I have
are the ones  from the movie from a couple of years ago
and a  set of beautiful stacking dolls of the Imperial Family,hand painted from Russia.   Pricey but so beautiful.   It shows the IF as Holy Saints.   I  would be happy to post a picture if someone would tell me how.
I have been looking for a Anastasia Doll  with a hand made  wooden body.   I saw her in Doll Reader Mag.
but she was too expensive.   It  was a limited edition of
750 if I remember right.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Olga on February 04, 2005, 07:08:08 AM
starwars.v
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....set of beautiful stacking dolls of the Imperial Family.../


Matryoshki?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 05, 2005, 12:23:24 AM
I think that is what they are called.   I would love to share the picture of my stacking dolls.  
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:14:33 PM
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While looking for some picture of the Romanovs to colorize I found some new dolls.Hope everyone enjoys them.Here's the link for the website.
http://www.galleryhistoricalfigures.com/

Nicholas and Alexei
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/nich2son-head-sm.jpg)(http://
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/nich2son-full-lg.jpg)



Is this a statue? I love it! I sooooooo wish they sold stuff like this in America!! It looks so real!

The Alexandra one on the other hand, has a beautiful gown, but i don't think it looks like her...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:22:47 PM
Here is the Franklin Mint "Romanov" Collection. Actually it is called the Faberge Princess Collection, But i know it's supposed to be Alexandra! lol...I like the cream court gown the best...they even make a jewels set to go with it.

(The jewels kinda give it away that it's Alix.. ;))

(http://img32.exs.cx/img32/9458/alixdoll2mu.jpg)

(http://img32.exs.cx/img32/3344/fmczarinajewel20lh.jpg)

The gorgeous court gown(so expensive for me!! :'()

(http://img32.exs.cx/img32/4128/fmczarinacoronation20oq.jpg)

This is discontinued now I think so it's very very rare..only an ebay or dollyrama.com item.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:24:20 PM
Here is the Anastasia one( though it hardly resembles her and her "tom-boyness!"

here is the offical description:

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A 2003 nominee for the Dolls Award of Excellence. Anastasia of Imperial Russia presented by the House of Faberge. She wears an adorable bonnet and a pale pink dress with a lavish bow. She comes with her own doll. Display stand included.  Approximately 13 inches tall. From the Franklin Mint


They make a lot of ensembles for this.

(http://img32.exs.cx/img32/7313/fmanastasia21px.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Dashkova on February 08, 2005, 05:25:39 PM
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Is this a statue? I love it! I sooooooo wish they sold stuff like this in America!! It looks so real!

The Alexandra one on the other hand, has a beautiful gown, but i don't think it looks like her...


That site is SO creepy and the figures look nothing like who they're supposed to represent.  It's just...gross. And they also have Lenin's first name as "Nikolai" ???

It just goes to show you anybody can set up a website and call themselves an "artist."
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:26:40 PM
 And this pretty doll really resembles Alexandra! I found it on eBay, and it was veryyyyyy expensive! :o

(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/750/tsarinaalexandradoll2tm.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:27:22 PM
Here is a Nicholas doll from the costume party in 1903(?)
(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/4281/9012sb9uy.jpg)

It might actaully be the real Tsar Alexei, but the auction said it was Nicholas.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:29:27 PM
Here are some Matroyshka Nesting "Dolls"!

They look kind of odd though...

(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/2921/07tsar20nicholas20ii20family22.jpg)

(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/9210/07tsar20nicholas20ii20family10.jpg)

These are very pricey as well.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:30:30 PM
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That site is SO creepy and the figures look nothing like who they're supposed to represent.  It's just...gross. And they also have Lenin's first name as "Nikolai" ???

It just goes to show you anybody can set up a website and call themselves an "artist."


But wasn't Lenin's real name Nikolai, then he changed it?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:33:44 PM
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The Anastasia doll by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/anastasia2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/anastasia1.jpg)

The Tsarina Alexandra doll by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/emperess_alexandria.jpg)


The Anastasia Doll is sooo pretty! I fell in love with it when i saw it on eBay. It grew on me..She even has little bangs! it was only $10, but then it went up to like, $70! But even the final price is no-where near the doll's retail price. I didn't know they made an Alexei one too! It's very cute!
But personally, I think the Alexandra one is a little ugly. :-X
Her gown is gorgeous though!

But I don't think they made OTM, for the person who asked...They didn't make A Nicholas either...or at least from this set.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:35:14 PM
Oh look, I found another one!  ::)

(http://img239.exs.cx/img239/1093/f018wl.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:41:07 PM
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The Four Grand Duchesses by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/OTMAdolls.jpg)

Unfortunately this picture isn't very big but it's all I could find right now.


This is just gorgeous!!! I want these soo bad! I always imagined when the Dolls of the World Russian came out, it would look like these, so i was diaponted, but i like it now!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:43:28 PM
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Mattel also does a "Women of Royalty™ Collection". They only have 2 dolls so far. One is Marie Antoinette and 1 is Elizabeth I.
http://www.barbiecollector.com/shop/shelf.aspx?deptid=2&shelfid=150011
I would love them to do one of Alix. They are expensive!
$250 each!
My husband would kill me then have a heart attack!
ROFL!
But the detail on these 2 dolls is so great! And I gotta say the face on that 1st Tsarina doll is ugly!
 :P



I would loooove to have the Elizabeth 1 one! Her outit is so rush and realistic when you compare it to the portrait of her in that gown. The MA one is nice too.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:46:48 PM
Here is two new dolls from the Company who made the Alexander, Nicholas, Alexei, and Alexandra dolls:

A Rasputin one( A little odd!)

(http://img223.exs.cx/img223/3852/rasputinfulllg3cm.jpg)
And the ORiGINAL Anastasia Romanov!
(From 1522-1560)
(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/9508/anastasiahalflrg2gu.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 05:52:28 PM
Has anyone heard of Hiroshi Sugimoto?
He makes super real to life wax sculptures of historical figures, including Lenin and Nicholas, but i can't find the site that shows the complete sculptures. here is one of my fave people and figures, Anne Boleyn...I even modeled my halloween costume after this pic!

(http://img41.exs.cx/img41/5631/sugimotohiroshanneboleyn240467.jpg)

I hope sometime Sugimoto will make OTMA and Alix scupltures, that would be awesome.

Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 06:01:50 PM
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The Four Grand Duchesses by Crees and Coe
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Merrique73/OTMAdolls.jpg)

Unfortunately this picture isn't very big but it's all I could find right now.

Does anyone know where these can be prchased? Crees and Coe Doesn't list them. If anyone loves Marie Antointette, you should check out their "Ghost of Versailles" Doll. It's beautiful/
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Dashkova on February 08, 2005, 06:23:54 PM
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But wasn't Lenin's real name Nikolai, then he changed it?



Where did you hear that?  No, never, never.  His name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulianov, his party name was Lenin.  He was called Volodya as a boy.  He was never Nikolai.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 08, 2005, 06:40:47 PM
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Where did you hear that?  No, never, never.  His name was Vladimir Ilyich Ulianov, his party name was Lenin.  He was called Volodya as a boy.  He was never Nikolai.


Oh. I'm sorry. I thought i read that somewhere.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 08, 2005, 08:04:14 PM
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And this pretty doll really resembles Alexandra! I found it on eBay, and it was veryyyyyy expensive! :o

(http://img205.exs.cx/img205/750/tsarinaalexandradoll2tm.jpg)


Do you have a link for that?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 09, 2005, 11:05:52 AM
Here are my Russian Stacking Dollsl, hope the picture
works out.
The Royal Family as holy martyers
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dc28b3127cce9058f49877a800000016108EbNmjFy0aO)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 09, 2005, 02:46:37 PM
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Here are my Russian Stacking Dollsl, hope the picture
works out.
The Royal Family as holy martyers
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dc28b3127cce9058f49877a800000016108EbNmjFy0aO)


Oh wow, those are very unique! I haven't seen that kind before of them as Martyrs. Did you get them from Russia?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 09, 2005, 02:47:38 PM
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Do you have a link for that?



Sorry Laura, it was about 6 months old, so I don't have the link for it anymore. I think it was homemade though, so it wasn't mass produced.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 09, 2005, 03:21:15 PM
Here is a family pose that i think they tried to make resemble the 1914 family portraits.

(http://img236.exs.cx/img236/7184/romanovfamilyjames4vg.jpg)

The only person who resembles the IF is Maria, far left. I don't know who that man is sitting with the pics though!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 09, 2005, 03:22:57 PM
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I found this site with various wax sculptures:
http://pp.kominet.ru:8101/ex.html?/demonstracii4.htm

Here is the one of Alexei & Rasputin....Alexei seems to be the same that the one with Peter I's son...

(http://pp.kominet.ru:8101/demonst/museum013.jpg)


The Alexei in this picture looks very life-like!
Same goes for the one of Alexei with "Alexei".
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 09, 2005, 06:43:35 PM
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Sorry Laura, it was about 6 months old, so I don't have the link for it anymore. I think it was homemade though, so it wasn't mass produced.

Awww.. Oh well. It's a well done doll. I have to admit, it's the best I've seen in likely-ness to the Empress. Did you ever catch how much it sold for?  ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 09, 2005, 10:36:06 PM
Thanks for the help posting the picture.   Yes they are
from Russia.   I bought them about a year ago.  Each one is hand painted.    The  detail on them is incredible.
The smallest one is the Russian orthodox cross.  On the back of Nicholas and Alexis is the Cross.  And the city and date of the murder.    The batteries on my digital
camera are in need of recharging but I am posting the
back of Nicholas.   I think the edition was about 25.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dc28b3127cce904fe949573e00000016108EbNmjFy0aO)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 10, 2005, 12:14:22 PM
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Awww.. Oh well. It's a well done doll. I have to admit, it's the best I've seen in likely-ness to the Empress. Did you ever catch how much it sold for?  ;)


If i recall...about 176.oo give or take a few dollars!  :o
That's outrageous considering it said it was only like, 5'' tall!!  ::)
But it's porcelain, so... ::)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 10, 2005, 01:15:27 PM
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If i recall...about 176.oo give or take a few dollars!  :o
That's outrageous considering it said it was only like, 5'' tall!!  ::)
But it's porcelain, so... ::)


WOOT! That's a bit eh? There are people who are truly harcore... not that I would know  ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sarai on February 20, 2005, 04:09:47 PM
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Here is the Anastasia one( though it hardly resembles her and her "tom-boyness!")


I got this doll and the Alexandra one from eBay. I think they are so beautiful, even though their faces don't resemble the real Alexandra and Anastasia at all! Someone said that the Alexandra doll has more of a "Gibson Girl" face and I agree. The Alexandra doll's silver dress is supposed to have been modelled after the Tsarina's wedding gown. Anastasia is definitely more of a "fairytale princess" than the real, tomboyish Anastasia was. The little description that comes with the doll says she is depicted all dressed up for a lovely tea party with her little princess friends at the palace - of couse that sounds rather like nothing the real Grand Duchess ever did. But, despite the fictitious aspect to the dolls, I bought them because of who they represent and because they are so gorgeous! They are no longer made and are collectors' items, but I got them on eBay for under $100 each.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 21, 2005, 01:07:30 AM
Wow on Ebay Jan Garnett has a really beautifull Doll made of GD Tatitana.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dc01b3127cce903096adba8500000026108EbNmjFy0aO)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 21, 2005, 12:21:26 PM
That is a beautiful doll!
Unfortunatly, it looks nothing of Tatiana
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Michelle on February 21, 2005, 03:42:12 PM
Wow! :o  Those Imperial Faberge dolls are making me Barbie crazy again! lol! ::) :D

I'd love to see that Sugimoto guy make wax sculptures of AOTMAA!!!!  I would hope that they'd look just like the real people.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Ortino on February 22, 2005, 08:45:40 AM
(http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/images/alexfull.JPG)

(http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/images/alexfullside.JPG)

Here are pictures of another Alexandra doll that I found while browsing on the Internet. Fortunately, this doll looks somewhat more like her. Here's the link to the site:

http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/alexandra.htm
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 26, 2005, 11:17:18 PM
OMG! Grand Duke!
Do you remember where you found it ?  :o
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on February 26, 2005, 11:18:31 PM
I was gonna ask the same thing, but it says under it "I know nothing more about the pic". Lol
;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 26, 2005, 11:25:07 PM
Yeah, I read that... but I figured the picture just didn't happen to appear on his computer. So I figured I would asked if he remebered at all... just in case  ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 28, 2005, 11:37:06 AM
Thanks so much Grand Duke!  ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on March 05, 2005, 08:00:20 PM
Wow Grand Duke! You come up with the most amazing finds!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Ortino on March 05, 2005, 08:12:10 PM
Wow, that execution scene (last page) looks nothing like it should. It's almost laughable. I love how Alexei is spread out over Alexandra's lap.  ::) The only thing that looks correct is Demidova in the corner with her pillow.
The one above looks rather good surprising enough. It's just missing several people.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2005, 04:31:53 PM
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More at http://www.art.uralinfo.ru/FINEART/sculptura/Etkalo/Vosk.htm


They have this one identified as Alexandra Fedorovna, isn't it supposed to be Catherine I? It certainly isn't Alexandra!

(http://img206.exs.cx/img206/4039/ekaterina7vs.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2005, 04:34:53 PM
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You can see Nikita Khrushchev, Stalin, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Peter the Great (?).
(http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/reflections/images/ref0028s.jpg)


I also see Hitler, Napoleon, Castro and Pushkin (?). These actually look quite good. Does this one have a website, GD?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Georgiy on March 06, 2005, 04:42:33 PM
Yes, the wax sculpture of Alexandra is quite different, and the individual picture is indeed Catherine the Great.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: RomanovFan on March 06, 2005, 06:57:48 PM
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Execution of the Inperial family by Bolsheviks. July 17, 1918.

(http://www.russianroyalty.com/images/shooting.jpg)


Wow! I didn't think any wax museum would have figures of the actual murder. That's a little eerie. Do you know who's who among the figures?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2005, 07:22:09 PM
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Yes, the wax sculpture of Alexandra is quite different, and the individual picture is indeed Catherine the Great.


I think it's Catherine I, at least this is what she sort of looked like...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 06, 2005, 07:26:24 PM
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 Photos by Oleg Kondratyev.


This guy seems to be a big Leonid Brezhnev fan (I think that's who this is), he has four of five of his photos there!  ;D

(http://img173.exs.cx/img173/3343/brezhnev0kn.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on March 07, 2005, 11:26:14 AM
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I also see Hitler, Napoleon, Castro and Pushkin (?). These actually look quite good. Does this one have a website, GD?


I noticed some of those faces too!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Georgiy on March 07, 2005, 01:59:04 PM
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I think it's Catherine I


I stand corrected.


That (latest) one of Rasputin is horrible. I am sure in real life he wasn't quite so evil looking.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: GD Alexandra on March 18, 2005, 09:27:48 AM
The Execution of the Imperial family, makes me feel terribly sad I'm sure that if I saw It I will go away with a mix of sad/angry feeling.. :-[  >:( (but I won't deny It'll be interesting too)  :-/
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: GD Alexandra on April 08, 2005, 07:29:20 PM
The dolls are wonderfull.  :D Love the costumes, they look so similar to the originals.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Angie_H on April 09, 2005, 08:43:52 AM
I got my Russian Princess Barbie a few weeks ago. I found her at Toys R Us.

Here is what the doll looks like inside the box. (All my dolls stay in the box.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/scan0002.jpg)


Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on April 09, 2005, 10:16:59 AM
Neat! Thanks for sharing!  ;D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: azrael7171918 on April 09, 2005, 03:33:39 PM
Does anyone know what became of the Crees and Coe Company?
Their website has not been updated in almost 5 years.

The Alexie doll they put out was to orignally be a companion to Alexandra and Anastasia in porcelin to go for 200.00. Instead he was done in wax over porcelin and it shot the price to I believe 800.00.

Azrael
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: azrael7171918 on April 09, 2005, 03:41:24 PM
I did not care for the Franklin Mint dolls either they always make hair too dark and an early one of an adult Anastasia in court dress is completely off.

The young Anastasia's costumes are replicas of original clothes. I finally bit the bullet and got her a few years ago along with the skating outfit (there is a photo of Olga and Anastasia on a lake) and the sailor's outfit ( the one with all the children playing on the Standart )

There are clothes to the Alexandra that the real one would not have been caught dead wearing. One outfit looks more like a Scarlet O'Hara the red one she wore to Melanie's party for Ashley.

Some of the doll companies make up for in clothing what they can't do in facial features.

Azrael
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 09, 2005, 06:37:14 PM
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Does anyone know what became of the Crees and Coe Company?
Their website has not been updated in almost 5 years.

The Alexie doll they put out was to orignally be a companion to Alexandra and Anastasia in porcelin to go for 200.00. Instead he was done in wax over porcelin and it shot the price to I believe 800.00.

Azrael

$800.00?? :o :o
That's rediculously phenomenal!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Shvibzik on April 09, 2005, 07:02:30 PM
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(http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/images/alexfull.JPG)

(http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/images/alexfullside.JPG)

Here are pictures of another Alexandra doll that I found while browsing on the Internet. Fortunately, this doll looks somewhat more like her. Here's the link to the site:

http://www.wardrobesecrets.com/alexandra.htm


On that website, there's also a Cathrine the Great doll.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: lexi4 on April 12, 2005, 10:45:40 PM
Those were interesting pictures. where do you guys find all of this stuff?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: lostfan on April 15, 2005, 05:24:52 PM
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Nicholas II and Peter I
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/5.jpg)

Alexei and Alexei (!), the sons of the previous
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/lyzotchka/wax/6.jpg)


These two images really stand out for me, and at the same time are kind of bizarre. The one of the two Alexeis seems kind of poignant, thinking about the fates of those two young men. The one of Nicky and Peter the Great is almost silly but kind of poignant as well. The one of the two Alexeis actually could almost pass for a photograph, nevermind the time periods and the clothes, etc. From the back at least, the smaller Alexei looks realistic!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on April 22, 2005, 06:13:54 AM
a really beautiful work:
http://www.galinastudio.com/euroroyaltypage1.html

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1dolls.jpg)

http://www.galinastudio.com/euroroyaltypage3.html
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Ortino on April 22, 2005, 08:50:06 AM
^Wow, those are very good. They really seem to have covered every detail. How much are they?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on April 22, 2005, 06:08:25 PM
WOW!! Those look so cool...they must be a fortune.  :o
I wouldl ove to have those.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on April 24, 2005, 06:06:31 AM
Amazing!!! Thanks for posting the pictures and the links Lisa! Those are just stunning... would love to get my hands on those  :D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Katharine on April 28, 2005, 04:36:49 AM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lyzotchka1/1dolls.jpg)


Wow. That would be truly amazing to own.

How much, do you know?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lisa on April 28, 2005, 04:51:12 AM
No, I don't, but certainly a lot! :o ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on May 03, 2005, 10:48:32 AM
$65,000.00 is the running price for these sculptures!
:o!! I did some information searching on these after I read this tread. Each daughter repersents something.
The four things that each represents are:

Anastasia Represents Innocence. However, I don't know what the other girls represent.
I did however find quite a nice quality picture of the statue, Here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/Romanov/Forums/fullsize.jpg)
I also found two pictures of Anastasia alone, representing innocence. Here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/Romanov/Untitled-1.jpg) and Here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/Romanov/Forums/Anastasia-odessa5.jpg)
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Post by: Shvibzik on May 03, 2005, 02:13:15 PM
Another view.

(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=daughters+of+the+odessa/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12oattq3e/EXP=1115233808/*-http%3A//www.artfinders.com/sculpture/hartf/images/daughtersodessa.gif)
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Post by: ferngully on May 04, 2005, 02:27:12 AM
well i think its an innacurate interpretation of them, but its a nice idea, he protrayed them a bit wrong though i think
selina               xxxxxxxxx
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Post by: lexi4 on May 04, 2005, 08:12:56 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I thought the sculpture was beautiful. However, a little scanty.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on May 13, 2005, 04:00:41 PM
Is the above sculpure of Anastasia Nikolaievna? That's hard to believe, because that statue looks naked underneith the cloth dress. I mean, nothing is wrong with the naked human body, but Anastasia was a bit too young for that if it's her...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 23, 2005, 08:59:46 PM
Privyet!

I have enjoyed this site for quite a while now and after being away for a while, discovered that the site now has this wonderful message board! I read a post asking about dolls or figures of the Romanovs and wanted to share my own work...Hope I am posting this thumbnail picture-link html correctly, if not, the photo can be seen on my website (don't know if it is ok to post that here either or not, but it is at "galinastudio dot com" if you would like to see more photographs of these miniature 1'-1" scale figures. They are one of a kind and I sculpted their exact likenesses from the 1913 photograph of the Royal Family seen in the background....All of the clothing is entirely hand sewn and the Grand Duchesses' and Tsarina's tiny gowns have even tinier pearls and sequins on them.

(http://img63.echo.cx/img63/5558/romanovs18sf.th.jpg) (http://img63.echo.cx/my.php?image=romanovs18sf.jpg)

I'm of 100% Russian descent--though born in Seattle, Washington--and the Romanovs have long been a very highly revered part of my family's history. Also have been a sculptor for 30 years so this set of miniature figures was the culmination of a long-wished for dream; it is now owned by and on display in a museum along with several other of my Russian-inspired pieces.

Looking forward to connecting here and very glad I made a return visit after all this time!

Galia Hotovitsky



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Post by: Robert_Hall on June 23, 2005, 09:09:05 PM
Beautiful work. Thank you for sharing them with us. I am familiar with the scale, and am really impressed.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Shvibzik on June 23, 2005, 09:22:37 PM
There is more on a thread called  "Romanov Dolls" or something along those lines that have many more, if you'd be interested. ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 23, 2005, 09:31:39 PM
Thank you! I looked for something like that on here but actually couldn't specifically find it, there were only a few posts about dolls/figures of other Euro royalty....do you know where I should look?  :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Shvibzik on June 23, 2005, 09:39:26 PM
Well, here is a link to many other mini-royal dolls, which is where those came from.  http://www.galinastudio.com/index.html  At the bottom it has a button to enter. ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 23, 2005, 09:40:59 PM
LOL.....that's my own website... ;)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Shvibzik on June 23, 2005, 09:42:56 PM
*slaps head*  Well I feel stupid!  It might have helped if I read the whole thing.  Sorry... ::) :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 23, 2005, 09:44:20 PM
No problem!  ;D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 23, 2005, 09:54:22 PM
Salutations CountessGalina!
I know me and other board members were admiring your work a few months back. Are you planning on producing some for sale? I know a few of use would be very interested. How did you go about making those, with such acuracy?

Amazing work! I am astounded.
*hugs*
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Shvibzik on June 23, 2005, 09:54:37 PM
Those dolls are wonderful, though.  I've always admired them. ;)  But I'm a bit asleep at the moment... ::) :P  Thank you for sharing and there should be links on that thread... :-/
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 23, 2005, 10:29:02 PM
Thanks so much for the kind words! Those particular dolls are one of a kind figures, as are all of my pieces, but I do plan to do more as the Romanovs are certainly one of my favorite subjects (as well as the tragic last royalty of Hawaii)....I sculpt each one individually so there aren't any molds used, but I may be doing some limited edition things in future.

There's also a Russian 17th miniature cathedral that I built and a half-life size 16th century Russian prince on my website, which are also both in a museum---take a look when you have time as you might enjoy them.

My grandfathers were both Russian Orthodox priests who left Russia just before the Revolution and I've been steeped in Old World Tsarist tradition since babyhood! So this site is just one of the most wonderful internet resources I've EVER come across  :)
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Post by: Shvibzik on June 24, 2005, 09:28:05 AM
Oh, your welcome. :)  

I'd just love it if you did a limited addition thing!  I would buy one most defianately. ;)  I'm sure others would too.  Those are the only dolls I've seen (or can rememeber) that actually look like the IF (and others, of course).  Thank you so much for sharing. :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: chintz22 on June 24, 2005, 03:44:35 PM
Hi All--

Countess Galina, I've admired your hats for so long, I had no idea you made such beautiful dolls as well!  I would also purchase a limited edition doll/dolls if you chose to do them.  Please let us know!

Best,

Sarah
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Post by: CountessGalina on June 24, 2005, 03:55:49 PM
Thank you so much!  :)  My hats are my other passion...and when I'm creating them I often think of that rare film footage of the Imperial Family at a public event, with OTMA all in their beautiful HUGE white hats!

I will definitely let everyone here know when I do a L.E.
of the Romanovs--It may be in a slightly larger size as well...ie. 10"-12".

Have a great weekend everyone, it's lovely to meet you all---I'm taking a little trip this weekend up to Deadwood, S.D.---Going to be the "Russian Countess in Buffalo Bill's Wild West", how much more eccentric can you get ?!  ;D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Lanie on June 24, 2005, 04:51:54 PM
Galina, they're GORGEOUS!  Do you have larger pictures so we can see the faces, etc?  I wish I could do something like that, you're so wonderfully talented!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 24, 2005, 05:38:49 PM
Lanie, thank you for the lovely compliment! I will be happy to send you and to anyone who wishes to have larger photos of my Romanovs (have several views of them as well as ones of just the children, just the Tsar and Tsarina, and Olga and Tatiana by themselves, etc)...just click on my email link below my screenname and I'll send them to you.

They are also on my website at www.galinastudio.com however the photos aren't too large--Also have a Catherine the Great displayed there, as well as other royalty. When you get inside the site on the second page there are quite a few categories you can click on to look at the figures. They cannot be right-click-copied from the site so if you would like any, just ask.

I will be away from the computer for the next couple days but here for the next few hours so feel free to email me directly!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: etonexile on June 24, 2005, 06:06:44 PM
Teddy and I aren't much into dolls...being chaps and such....but those figures are quite beautifully done....
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 24, 2005, 06:12:02 PM
Thank you  :)

By the way, the all-time biggest collector of my dolls is male--he's been a great friend and patron of mine for 15 years!

He is a retired attorney in NYC and owns 55 of them....and will have an exhibit there in May of 2006 at the Visionaire Gallery.
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Post by: etonexile on June 24, 2005, 06:21:39 PM
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Thank you  :)

By the way, the all-time biggest collector of my dolls is male--he's been a great friend and patron of mine for 15 years!

He is a retired attorney in NYC and owns 55 of them....and will have an exhibit there in May of 2006 at the Visionaire Gallery.


WOW...I'd love to see that exhibit...You are truely an artist......
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: RealAnastasia on June 24, 2005, 08:00:19 PM
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LOL.....that's my own website... ;)


What an impressive work, CountessGalina! I like your work in the IF, but also very much the Princess of Lamballe and Vigée Lebrun dolls. I'm a huge fan of French Revolution characters. I would like to see a Saint-Just and a Hanriot doll.  ::) ;D

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: xX_Mashka_Xx on June 24, 2005, 08:28:50 PM
Such beautiful work CountessGalina!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Carol_Shvybzyk on June 26, 2005, 02:40:15 PM
what a beautiful work,Galina!!
I work with watercolor and oil paint,and about a year ago I tried to 'create' a doll by myself,and I can say it's SO hard!
I'm really impressed with your amazing work!

xxx,
Ana Carolina.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 29, 2005, 12:33:58 PM
Greetings again everyone---back from my little vacation.
Thanks so much to all for the nice comments and emails about my work...Here's another one of the Czarina, a single one I did of her in her younger days, it was based on a portrait of her in about 1897. This is 5  1/2" tall...hard to tell how tiny from this pic!

(http://img209.echo.cx/img209/1148/czarina26kg.th.jpg) (http://img209.echo.cx/my.php?image=czarina26kg.jpg)

And one of Catherine the Great that I recently completed...the little golden double-headed eagles on her gown are 1/2" long and hand-painted on her dress, the coronation regalia have thousands of teensy pin-point size "diamond" stones:

(http://img52.echo.cx/img52/4789/catherinegreat61hv.th.jpg) (http://img52.echo.cx/my.php?image=catherinegreat61hv.jpg)


Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 29, 2005, 05:18:31 PM
Stunning Work CountessG!
I have never seen a doll that looks like Alix as much as the one you have posted there! Wonderful!
The work gone into these is unthinkable!  :D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Holly on June 29, 2005, 06:47:15 PM
Amazing work CountessGalina!!  :o The museum max sculptures can't even top these!  Maybe someday you could do a set of just OTMA. I would buy one! ;D
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CountessGalina on June 29, 2005, 08:40:09 PM
Thank you! I do think it would be great to do a set of OTMA as they looked in that photograph where all are very little girls...their faces are especially beautiful and wistful (all in a row, looking sideways at the camera)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: grandduchess_42 on June 30, 2005, 09:03:19 AM
Quote
Greetings again everyone---back from my little vacation.
Thanks so much to all for the nice comments and emails about my work...Here's another one of the Czarina, a single one I did of her in her younger days, it was based on a portrait of her in about 1897. This is 5  1/2" tall...hard to tell how tiny from this pic!

(http://img209.echo.cx/img209/1148/czarina26kg.th.jpg) (http://img209.echo.cx/my.php?image=czarina26kg.jpg)

And one of Catherine the Great that I recently completed...the little golden double-headed eagles on her gown are 1/2" long and hand-painted on her dress, the coronation regalia have thousands of teensy pin-point size "diamond" stones:

(http://img52.echo.cx/img52/4789/catherinegreat61hv.th.jpg) (http://img52.echo.cx/my.php?image=catherinegreat61hv.jpg)




those are stunning! did u make them? if u did! they are great!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Holly on June 30, 2005, 01:03:19 PM
Quote
Thank you! I do think it would be great to do a set of OTMA as they looked in that photograph where all are very little girls...their faces are especially beautiful and wistful (all in a row, looking sideways at the camera)

I agree! That would make a beautiful set of dolls! So would the 1913 OTMA poses.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Speedycat on July 23, 2005, 08:07:45 AM
 :o These dolls are gorgeous Galina!!.  I am very much into dollhouses lately of the 1/12 scale and I believe these are that size?  I have purchased several books on how to sculpt dolls of polymer clay and my dream was to recreate the Imperial Family!  I couldn't even come close to your fabulous works of art!!  They are stunning.  I was just scanning through the older threads here and came across this topic.  When I opened it and saw the photos of your dolls I just gasped.  It was my dream come true!
My goal is to build a replica (although smaller, without so many rooms) of Peterhof and make the little family to live there about 1908-1910 period.  Now I see it may be possible some day...but certainly not anywhere near the beauty you have achieved with your dolls.  Now I rush off to view your website.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: grandduchess_42 on July 23, 2005, 01:03:11 PM
here is the little pair playing with dolls  ::)
soo i just thought i sould post it.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WQAAABUdPU3lettiyc9yO!*8a8odkdXBNY2!!H1HtB2C4Hzdy92Wx0DE9vCl1qdzK!b3BrQlRTeqw1Ab3tcuX!FHtl7127G8LNYciUEoanZAlIotj9Mc1lqAV30GSiNvK!4STcX0ZD8/TheLittlePair1.jpg?dc=4675434045040596668)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: grandduchess_42 on July 23, 2005, 01:04:05 PM
do those dolls still exist?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robby on July 27, 2005, 04:59:44 AM
Galina that are beautifull dolls! Great Job *smiles* :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on July 27, 2005, 01:37:29 PM
Check out this. Found it on Ebay:
(http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/86/80/75_1_b.JPG)

It's yours truly, Nicky and Alix
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Robby on July 28, 2005, 08:41:57 AM
Wax sculpture before the crime:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Robby_/Romanov17juli.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sarastasia on July 29, 2005, 12:15:32 PM
Sorry for the incompitence, but what was the crime on the wax models? ???

Sarastasia
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sarastasia on July 29, 2005, 12:16:46 PM
Where is the wax scene of the Imperial family's exceution?

Sarastasia
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: russianlover76 on August 22, 2005, 07:39:54 PM
I have a grandduchess doll that is dated 1993 and i am not sure if they had made a russian doll back then is there any way to look up and see if this is a grand duchess doll
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: grandduchess_42 on August 22, 2005, 08:53:58 PM
Maria Ivanovna Chestova
Mother of the Mikhail Feodorovich Romanov

(http://www.nevadolls.com/images/large/lbPIC109.jpg)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 28, 2005, 11:06:14 PM
(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1549/anastasiaalexeimaria20el.gif)
Maria, Anastasia, and Aleksey
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5228/olgatatiana12ul.gif)
Olga and Tatiana.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Eternal_Princess on September 02, 2005, 02:21:05 PM
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Wax sculpture before the crime:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Robby_/Romanov17juli.jpg)


Wow! The Alexei in that one looks so much like the photo's you see of him at that age :o All of them except for Nicholas do! Wow...
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: grandduchess_42 on September 02, 2005, 05:28:37 PM
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The Alexei in this picture looks very life-like!
Same goes for the one of Alexei with "Alexei".


i agree it is very strange
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 05, 2005, 08:10:31 PM
In the wax musuem of St Petersburg site where is the Romanovs?  the one where they are getting killed in the cellar is eeire.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 05, 2005, 09:41:05 PM
From the murder scene, (the actual murder scene in wax) the two on the chairs is Alexandra and laying on her lap is Alexei.
The man leaning on his elbow is Nicholas. I can't tell which girl is who although I have to say the one near the door kneeling looks like Maria/maybe Anastasia.
And the girl holding the pillow is thier lady in waiting gee I forget her name.  But she was holding a pillow which had some jewels in it.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 06, 2005, 09:30:53 PM
What other museums have this figures?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 06, 2005, 09:46:56 PM
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sarushka on September 06, 2005, 10:12:38 PM
I'm a bit put out that they didn't include the 4 servants in the execution scenes. You pay with your life only to be overlooked? >:(
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 06, 2005, 10:51:33 PM
But there was a servant in the execution scene, the model in the corner holding the pillow it is their lady in waiting, she was recorded to have been holding a pillow which had secretly had jewels hidden in it.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 06, 2005, 10:53:11 PM
Or do you mean the photo were their are waiting to be executed? Then yeah I agree it was disgusting.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 06, 2005, 11:22:55 PM
Not servants, nor Doctor Botkin! The poor Doctor, who was wounded in the leg and fell off to the ground, tryed to help Nicholas whe he saw him in the floor, covered with blood, near him. He was approaching his own death and he was thinking how to help his Emperor.  :'(

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 07, 2005, 07:07:51 PM
That is so noble of the doctor.  I read in the Last Tsar by that guy.   That when they found the bodies in the mine of Ella and others they found that with the last bit of strength Ella had bandaged one of the princes wounded head.  
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: RealAnastasia on September 07, 2005, 09:55:07 PM
Really touching. The first time I read this about Ella I wept... :'(

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 07, 2005, 11:50:48 PM
So did I,  I thought it was beautiful, even though she was dying she was thinking of others.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 21, 2006, 12:34:12 AM
I have that picture of the Royal family and the dolls in my  doll room.    Of course the pictrue is bigger and framed.    Those dolls are to die for.    Always wondered
what happened to them.    One is a very  rare Steiner.
I always been a lover of dolls and for ten years a doll  collector of all types of dolls.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 21, 2006, 09:34:05 AM
How sweet!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on February 23, 2006, 03:37:28 PM
Hi!

I know this thread concerns today's dolls, but I thought those photos were not so off topic. Somebody knows what happened with the dolls? They can't have been simply thrown away; dolls cost a fortune back then.

Family:
(http://www.livadia.org/trw/olga/1904-1910/74.jpg)

Olga and Maria:
(http://www.livadia.org/trw/olga/1904-1910/41.jpg)

Look at the dolls (and girls) clothes. It's just impressive to think that somebody did such a delicate work. My grand-mother told me that in old times, it was sometimes little girls who worked to do things with laces, because they had smaller fingers.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 23, 2006, 06:58:52 PM
Well, some of them are in museums and exhibits- there's a picture or two of them in the "Nicholas and Alexandra: The Last Imperial Family Tsarist Russia" catalogue.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 24, 2006, 01:10:56 AM
As a doll collector and a lover of doll art, that makes me
glad that those dolls at least survived.   Would anyone know what museums they would be in?  
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Ortino on February 26, 2006, 04:00:49 PM
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I know this thread concerns today's dolls, but I thought those photos were not so off topic. Somebody knows what happened with the dolls? They can't have been simply thrown away; dolls cost a fortune back then.  


 And with original features such as bisque faces and body construction, not to mention the attention the to detail on their attire, they would still be worth a fortune. As Margarita pointed out, some of them are in museums--quite a number of them are shown in the Toys of the Tsar's Children catalogue.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Genevieve on February 26, 2006, 10:26:44 PM
Anyone know  where to get this catolog?   Please let me know.    I would love to see the dolls they had in their collection.  Thanks
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Sophia_Skymind on February 26, 2006, 10:47:24 PM
Yeah...I'd like to know, too...please :)
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Laura Mabee on February 27, 2006, 12:13:22 PM
From my understanding, that catalogue is quite rare and hard to come by.  :-/
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Margarita Markovna on February 27, 2006, 12:36:51 PM
Yes- it's usually around >$100
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Ortino on February 27, 2006, 04:34:31 PM
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Yes- it's usually around >$100


Actually, after it was all said and done, I had paid quite a bit more than that, but anyway......the price is not the problem. The rarity of this catalogue is. Sarushka and I were fortunate enough to get it through a fellow AP member. Some people got it elsewhere, but overall, coming across a copy is extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: AGRBear on March 01, 2006, 10:49:18 AM
Love the photographs of the Grand Duchesses with their dolls.

Thanks

AGRBear
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Johnny on January 16, 2007, 07:23:17 PM
Even if the figures were depicted fully nude, I would still not see anything pronographic in it.
I have to see the statue from closeby, but from what i could discern from the pictures it looks like a beautiful work of art.
By the way, having moved to and living in Germany for some years now, in a culture in which nudity and sex
are completely dissociated, where parents and kids can easily walk around naked in front of each other (and not just relatives, for that matter) I see nudity less and less as pornographic. It's the Anglo-Saxon within us (ethnically or culturally or both) that makes us think and feel that way.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: NAOTMAA Fan on November 25, 2007, 12:04:54 PM
Wasn't there a sculpture of some sort of baby Olga or Tatiana in the Maples Room of the Alexander Palace? I know there was one, but I can't be sure if it's one of the infant Grand Duchesses. I'll see if I can find a picture.
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 05, 2008, 03:36:08 PM
They http://everleaf.com/chasewinfield/nicholas.htm don't say sculpted of what, but of something meant to last and at that price they should.

Does anyone know of such sculptures on a smaller scale and meant to endure outdoor conditions (of a relatively mild, dry climate--I'm not talking about leaving something out during a Russian winter!)  Has anyone seen any garden-statue-type sculptures of the Romanovs, or even garden statues, of children in sailor suits or the like, which might resemble them?  There are also these tiles http://www.thephotogiftshoppe.com/fucocephti.html where you can have a photograph imprinted.  It's not supposed to wear out or fade, but just in case, does anyone know what protective sealant might be applied to such an image meant to be left out?  Anyone know what sort of adhesive to use to affix such a tile to a larger stone, if advisable?  Also, does anyone know where to get garden crosses of Russian style?  If so, please post here!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 06, 2008, 12:15:48 AM
Well, here is the answer to one of my questions.  http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/home_improvement/1276251.html
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: CorisCapnSkip on May 08, 2008, 04:02:32 AM
Awful!  http://www.backofbeyond.de/gallery_tsar_romanov.html  Think I'll keep looking.

Not exactly what I'm after, but nice:  http://www.galinastudio.com/euroroyaltypage1.html
Title: Madame Tussaud's Romanov waxworks
Post by: markjhnstn on May 27, 2010, 07:16:32 AM
Anybody ever seen these or have any pictures of them?
Title: Re: Madame Tussaud's Romanov waxworks
Post by: GrandDuchessDaisy on September 02, 2010, 03:42:15 AM
I wish I had.. though there is one picture on line with the Romanovs as waxworks. I don't even know where those waxworks truly stand.
Title: Re: Madame Tussaud's Romanov waxworks
Post by: Alan on November 26, 2010, 11:27:57 AM
There is a display in one of the buildings on the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. P.  I am not sure if the figures were done by Tussauds but I saw it in the summer and did not think much of it. I may have some photos of it - need to look. Alan
Title: Re: Dolls, wax figures, busts etc of NAOTMAA
Post by: Grand Duchess Ayla on December 26, 2015, 01:24:02 PM
I found this picture of Tatiana doll:

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/0fc6d57fc56f0c1f9f415f4173469523/tumblr_nzzbe5Dbml1t5k7qjo1_400.jpg)