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Title: New Tudor series
Post by: grandduchessella on January 20, 2006, 06:11:33 PM
I hope this hasn't been posted--I'm a 'newbie' to this section and I did a quick look and didn't see anything.

Anyway, I was reading the paper today and it was announced that Showtime (a cable channel here in the US) will be airing a series, The Tudors. It will detail the early manhood of Henry VIII. The star will be Irish actor (and serious cutie) Jonathan Rhys-Myers (I'm sure I misspelled that since I don't have the article in front of me) from Bend It Like Beckham, the new Woody Allen film Match Point and a Golden Globe winner for the US miniseries Elvis.
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: ilyala on January 20, 2006, 06:25:36 PM
he played philip august in the hallmark production of 'the lion in winter'... doesn't look much like a henry 8th to me...   :-/... maybe henry 7th :P
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Lorelei_Lee on January 20, 2006, 08:04:48 PM
Hmmm ... Elvis and Henry VIII ... well, they were both handsome in their youth and corpulent in old age ... they were both musical ... and they were both The King!

 
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 21, 2006, 07:16:23 AM
 ;D ;D ;D Oh, that was brilliant Lorelei.  ;D ;D

Thanks for this GDella.  ;) I heard about it a few days ago. When will it be aired in the UK and Ireland? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 21, 2006, 08:31:51 AM
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I was reading the paper today and it was announced that Showtime (a cable channel here in the US) will be airing a series, The Tudors. It will detail the early manhood of Henry VIII. The star will be Irish actor (and serious cutie) Jonathan Rhys-Myers (I'm sure I misspelled that since I don't have the article in front of me) from Bend It Like Beckham, the new Woody Allen film Match Point and a Golden Globe winner for the US miniseries Elvis.


Thanks, GDella! I found something about this online:

Showtime rooting for Tudor tale
Pilot centers on young King Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn

By DENISE MARTIN

Showtime is teaming with feature scribe Michael Hirst ("Elizabeth"), Working Title Films and Ben Silverman's Reveille on a drama series centered on the Tudor dynasty.

Cabler has made a script commitment to the project, which marks Hirst's first foray into television.

Pilot episode centers on a young King Henry VIII in his first encounter with Anne Boleyn (future mother of Queen Elizabeth I), who will soon turn his world upside down.

Showtime entertainment chief Robert Greenblatt described the pivotal point in Henry's life as "an interesting bubbling cauldron in history."

"Henry was the most powerful man on the throne, and from where he takes off, he's barely a man," he said. Much like Hirst's rendering of "Elizabeth," Greenblatt added, the skein won't be a typical historical costume drama.

"It'll be edgy and vicious. We won't be doing the Henry most of us know, the middle-aged fat king sitting at a table and eating a drumstick," exec said. "Michael specializes in taking these historical figures and bringing them alive."

Showtime and Working Title are also developing the longform project "Babycakes," based on a novel in Armistead Maupin's "Tales of the City" series.

Hirst is currently penning the script for "The Golden Age," a sequel to "Elizabeth" for helmer Shekhar Kapur.

Silverman recently wrapped production on the NBC hidden-camera skein "Hoax" (Daily Variety, Oct. 15).


My cousin used to work for Showtime until last year, so I can ask her if she can find out more about this.

H

Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Lorelei_Lee on January 21, 2006, 11:34:33 AM
Thanks for the further information, Helen!  

Unfortunately it doesn't sound as though the series will be very historically accurate.  I loved "Elizabeth" because of Cate Blanchett's performance, which I thought had the ring of emotional truth.  But the writers certainly did take liberties with the historical record!

I wonder who will play Anne.  Keira Knightley might be good ... she doesn't quite look the part, but I can't think of any young actress who does.  Worst case scenario:  Jessica Simpson.  
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2006, 02:49:59 PM
NO No NO Not Keira Knightly :P
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 21, 2006, 03:41:01 PM
<big sigh> Why do all women HATE Keira??  ??? ;D
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2006, 04:35:07 PM
I don't hate her PL, I just think Anne Boleyn deserves an Actress ;D to portray her. What about Rachel Weisz (Sp) ;)
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 21, 2006, 04:36:34 PM
Oooh, I like Rachel, I'll let you away with that one.  ;D
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2006, 04:40:44 PM
Ta very much guv'nor :-*
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Lorelei_Lee on January 21, 2006, 05:32:19 PM
Hey, I thought Keira was good in the new "Pride and Prejudice" ... but you're right, Rachel Weicz is a better pick.  She's lovely and she can certainly act.  
Title: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: palatine on July 01, 2006, 08:49:49 AM
Michael Hirst, who wrote the screenplay for the film "Elizabeth", will act as the executive producer for the series.

An article from Showtime about it:

http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/060508tudors.do

A link to the relevant IMDB page, which lists other members of the cast:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758790/
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 01, 2006, 09:14:53 AM
Drool, ooooh Sam Neill as Wolsey.....what a hunk. :-* Guess this is on in the US and I hope we in the UK get to see it. Apart from Sam, I don't recognise any of the other names
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 02, 2006, 10:31:13 AM
I am already somewhat skeptical about this, even just for the fact that Michael Hirst is the creator of that horrible "Elizabeth"! I hope he doesn't do another number on the Tudors... But I will try to give this the benefit of the doubt. And I would never have imagined of Natalie Dormer as  Anne Boleyn - I can't think of anyone who looks less than Anne Boleyn! Hopefully she is a good enough actor to pull this off...  

BTW, there is already a thread about the Showtime Tudor series, somewhere under this topic...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on July 03, 2006, 02:58:47 AM
i didn't like 'elizabeth'. it's one of the most inaccurate movies ever...  :-?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 03, 2006, 05:06:04 AM
Never heard of Natalie Dormer :(
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on July 04, 2006, 01:30:37 PM
Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Henry VIII!  :o Be still, my beating heart!

I love that this isn't just another show about the fact that he had six wives. As interesting as they all were, he did more than just get married while on the throne for 40 years.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 04, 2006, 01:59:37 PM
Just googled Jonathan Rhys Myers.....bit of a chiselled pretty boy isn't he? Cannot imagine him as Old Hal ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Lady_Aurora on July 04, 2006, 04:47:45 PM
haha I pretty much just had the same thought when I saw he's playing Henry.  I mean he's way more than a little attractive (I'm not drooling I swear)...but he doesn't exactly strike me as Henry...though this is when he is young and usually it's when he's older that people seem to focus on.  or at least that's what I've seen...but I am excited to see how it turns out!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on July 04, 2006, 07:11:53 PM
Pics of JRM as Henry are here: http://community.livejournal.com/jrm_update/

Just by looking, I'm not really feeling it. Someone could have at least told him to dye to his hair or paste on a fake beard -something! However, I know he's more than just a pretty face -the boy can actually act. Everyone thought he'd be the worst Elvis ever, but he ended up winning a Golden Globe for his performance. Maybe his Henry will be that surprising as well.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on July 05, 2006, 01:49:24 AM
henry had longer hair when he was younger. i know he is most known as the fat short haired redhead he was when he was older, but when he was younger he had longer hair, like his father.

something like this: (http://tudorhistory.org/henry8/henrymin.jpg)

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on July 05, 2006, 01:53:13 AM
i found one even younger, the one i was actually looking for:

(http://www.pleatwork.com/images/mens/Henry8.jpg)

you can see, or i can see, that he carried himself off a lot like his father, and at first had a slender figure and long hair and beard.

they could have at least tried to make jrm look like that.

edited to add: i think the features are pretty simmilar between jrm and henry at least in the last portrait. all he needed was a longer hair and a beard and he could have been quite accurate...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: lady on July 05, 2006, 03:08:32 PM
I cannot think JRM as Henry  :o
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: lady on July 05, 2006, 03:22:48 PM
What about the music?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on July 08, 2006, 01:18:43 AM
Thank you for posting the paintings, ilyala. Judging from them I stand by what I said earlier: JRM needs some hair dye and some facial hair (and maybe a sandwich or two) and he'd make a great Henry.

lady, I did some searches to learn about the music and came up empty. My guess is that since they haven't started filming yet, they haven't worked out the post-production stuff such as music.

I'm looking forward to watching this show...or at least having the fine folks back here dissect it.  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: lady on July 09, 2006, 08:35:24 AM
Thanks Taren for searching about the music, I hope they'll add XVI century music.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 09, 2006, 03:24:19 PM
Or maybe 50 sandwiches and a couple of deer ;D
http://www.britannica.com/oscars/Images/photos/oacawar005p1.jpg
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on August 01, 2006, 03:20:50 PM
Now here is who should play Henry....our very own, homegrown Damian Lewis
(http://images.43things.com/profile/00/01/0b/68398s160.jpg)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 01, 2006, 05:20:58 PM
How about Rupert Grint as the young Henry:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/rupert.jpg)

And Eric Stoltz wouldn't be too bad as the older pre-middle aged Henry (if he can pull off the accent  ;))... Complete with longer hair!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/ericstoltz.jpg)





Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 08, 2006, 04:23:05 AM
At the bottom of this page http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html) there's about a five minute preview of the show. All I have to say is that the eye candy level is off the charts. I don't get Showtime, but maybe they'll have episodes for sale on iTunes or something.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on October 08, 2006, 04:49:22 AM
Wow, eye-candy indeed :o :o :o Although I do have the "hots" for Sam Neill (Wolsey). JRM is definately worth losing your head over ;D.
Who the devil is Knivert by the way and I love the voice over on the clip...THE TOODERS (coming soon) ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 08, 2006, 05:56:21 AM
At the bottom of this page http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html) there's about a five minute preview of the show. All I have to say is that the eye candy level is off the charts. I don't get Showtime, but maybe they'll have episodes for sale on iTunes or something.

Thanks a lot for posting that, I really like the look of it (actors and the actual programme ;)). I'm really looking forward to it, and it was quite funny to hear all about the 'Too-durs'.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 08, 2006, 11:43:53 PM
At the bottom of this page http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html) there's about a five minute preview of the show. All I have to say is that the eye candy level is off the charts. I don't get Showtime, but maybe they'll have episodes for sale on iTunes or something.

Thanks a lot for posting that, I really like the look of it (actors and the actual programme ;)). I'm really looking forward to it, and it was quite funny to hear all about the 'Too-durs'.  ;D ;D

What? That's not how you say it?  ;D :-[ I'm afraid my southern accent would butcher the pronounciation worse than Mr. Showtime guy did.  :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on October 09, 2006, 02:29:56 AM
Now here is who should play Henry....our very own, homegrown Damian Lewis
(http://images.43things.com/profile/00/01/0b/68398s160.jpg)

ohh yeah... i've seen him in... uhm... my mind is leaving me, what was that movie based on... ah yes, the forsyte saga. he really made me feel for his character.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 09, 2006, 09:50:12 AM
At the bottom of this page http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/showtime_preview.html) there's about a five minute preview of the show. All I have to say is that the eye candy level is off the charts. I don't get Showtime, but maybe they'll have episodes for sale on iTunes or something.

Thanks a lot for posting that, I really like the look of it (actors and the actual programme ;)). I'm really looking forward to it, and it was quite funny to hear all about the 'Too-durs'.  ;D ;D

What? That's not how you say it?  ;D :-[ I'm afraid my southern accent would butcher the pronounciation worse than Mr. Showtime guy did.  :P

 ;D ;D He's Henry Chew-dur to people from Ireland the UK! Just like we say 'chew-nah' and you say 'too'nah'.  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 09, 2006, 09:55:34 PM
Right! I think that pronounciation is just too cute. I watched the Starkey documentary about Henry's six wives and he was just so exciteable -just spitting the words out with those pronounciations. Ex: Henry VIII needed a son to carry on the CHEW-duh DIN-asty. I hope that Starkey makes a guest appearance on the show as some sort of over excited peasant, shouting out everything as he did on his program.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 10, 2006, 09:49:58 AM
Right! I think that pronounciation is just too cute. I watched the Starkey documentary about Henry's six wives and he was just so exciteable -just spitting the words out with those pronounciations. Ex: Henry VIII needed a son to carry on the CHEW-duh DIN-asty. I hope that Starkey makes a guest appearance on the show as some sort of over excited peasant, shouting out everything as he did on his program.

 ;D ;D Yes, he might even say his most famous line - 'hee-yurs' as opposed to 'years'.  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 10, 2006, 11:03:22 AM
I don't like the look of it  :(. Way too "Hollywood". None of the actors looks like the historical characters at all. JRM is not even red-headed and much too "pretty". Anne Boleyn has blue eyes and a roundish face... It seems like this will be another version of "Elizabeth"  :P. Sorry to be so negative, but I don't know why I was hoping that with this series they were going to try to be less Hollywood and more BBC. That was silly of me.  :o

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on October 11, 2006, 01:42:49 AM
who's producing it?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 11, 2006, 07:30:14 AM
who's producing it?

Ben Silverman of Reveille, Tim Bevan and Eric Fellner of Working Title, Gary Howsam of Peace Arch Entertainment Group and Morgan O'Sullivan of World 2000. Co-produced by TM Productions and PA Tudors, Inc.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2006, 10:12:31 AM
I don't like the look of it  :(. Way too "Hollywood". None of the actors looks like the historical characters at all. JRM is not even red-headed and much too "pretty". Anne Boleyn has blue eyes and a roundish face... It seems like this will be another version of "Elizabeth"  :P. Sorry to be so negative, but I don't know why I was hoping that with this series they were going to try to be less Hollywood and more BBC. That was silly of me.  :o



What do you mean by too 'pretty' if I may ask? Wasn't Henry described as a handsome youth?  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 11, 2006, 11:26:18 AM
What do you mean by too 'pretty' if I may ask? Wasn't Henry described as a handsome youth?  ;)

Ok... 

Young Henry VIII:                      Jonathan Rhys-Myers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/younghenryVIII.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/jonathan-rhys-meyers-1.jpg)


I rest my case  ;) ....

They pulled the same thing with Leicester in The Virgin Queen!   :P

Robert Dudley:                                 Tom Hardy:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/leicester.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/tomhardy.jpg)






Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on October 11, 2006, 12:06:42 PM
Well, Rhys-Myers looks enough like Henry here, but I saw the preview on Showtime and he doesn't look anything like Henry in that. He's too short, and way too dark and skinny. Did they dye his hair for this role? Or is it just the lighting?

I have to warn you that here in the United States Showtime has a reputation for producing pretty bad movies. Their television series, like "Weeds," have improved a lot over the last few years but as far as I know their movies haven't. I wish HBO had done "The Tudors" instead.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2006, 02:34:37 PM
Well don't worry Helen, you can always watch the DVD of Glenda Jackson's 'Elizabeth' instead.  ;D ;) I've been meaning to buy that actually.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: AuraBelle on October 11, 2006, 03:36:35 PM
I'm still relatively new to learning about the Tudors and granted, yes, Showtime isn't exactly the best way to be doing that..  ::) Forgive me if I'm mistaken... but isn't everything in happening about a decade too early?  In it, they speak of  JRM depicting Henry's early life (mid-twenties) but I thought he didn't divorce Katherine until he was at least in his late 30s?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on October 11, 2006, 04:35:26 PM
I'm still relatively new to learning about the Tudors and granted, yes, Showtime isn't exactly the best way to be doing that..  ::) Forgive me if I'm mistaken... but isn't everything in happening about a decade too early?  In it, they speak of  JRM depicting Henry's early life (mid-twenties) but I thought he didn't divorce Katherine until he was at least in his late 30s?

I think he started separation proceedings in the late 1520s, so he was in his mid-30s.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: AuraBelle on October 11, 2006, 05:18:45 PM
Still a decade off isn't it?  Still, it would be interesting to see how they deal with the time discrepancy..  The actress who plays Katherine looks much older than JRM.. More than the 7 years.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on October 12, 2006, 02:47:13 AM
well let's put it this way. when the divorce discussions started, henry was 35 years old, his wife was 42. at 42, especially in those days, a woman was quite old. add to that lots of pregnancies, probably some fatness... and you get quite a difference. even today men of 42 look younger than women of 42. unless the women take very special care of themselves.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 12, 2006, 04:58:55 AM
Plus we don't know what year the show takes place. We know Anne Boleyn is in it, but it could be just as he meets her or as he's pursuing her, or as he's trying to divorce Katherine. Maybe Henry looks young because he was young at the time.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on October 12, 2006, 05:53:48 AM
i believe anne boleyn came back from france around 1520... even if the affair started a lot later, that doesn't mean henry and anne didn't know each other.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 12, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
Maybe Henry looks young because he was young at the time.

Well, during the time Henry met Anne Boleyn, he looked sort of.... like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/younghenryVIII.jpg)

Although others see some resemblence to Mr. Rhys-Myers, I see none whatsoever... 


Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: AuraBelle on October 12, 2006, 04:26:52 PM
I believe they claim to be depicting Henry is his mid-20s in the Showtime adaptation.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 12, 2006, 05:06:53 PM
I'm just going to wait and see (well hopefully see, since I'm counting on them offering the show on iTunes). JRM certainly surprised me with his performance as Elvis. I've been a fan for awhile, but I thought the idea of this little Irishman as Elvis (even in his younger days) was ridiculous. Then I saw him and was blown away. He was Elvis. Honestly, I'd rather have someone who only bore a passing resemblance to Henry, but could act the part and get the essence right than have someone who was a dead ringer but couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. Look at the film Walk the Line. Reese Witherspoon didn't really look like June Carter. Sure she dyed her hair, but there were many difference -like the fact that Witherspoon sang better than Carter (bless her heart) ever did. But somehow she captured her essence and became June Carter -so much so that she won an Oscar for the performance and John Carter Cash wept as he watched the portrayal of his mother.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on October 18, 2006, 05:40:16 AM
Maybe Henry looks young because he was young at the time.

Well, during the time Henry met Anne Boleyn, he looked sort of.... like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/younghenryVIII.jpg)

Although others see some resemblence to Mr. Rhys-Myers, I see none whatsoever... 




i *could* see it if mr. rhys-myers would bother to let his beard grow and arrange his hair in that style. i think that would do wonders. but apparently he's not.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on November 15, 2006, 04:03:19 PM
I just saw Jonathan Rhys-Myers in the movie Matchpoint. I can't recommend this movie or Rhys-Myers's performance in it highly enough; they're both excellent and then some. Rhys-Myers stars in the role of a former professional tennis player from Ireland, very young and desperately ambitious, who becomes involved with a wealthy English family. The plot is so clever that it would be a sin to give it away. Just take my word for it that this movie, even though it starts out very slowly and quietly, will nevertheless grab you by the throat and not let go. I couldn't get it out of my mind for days afterwards.

Rhys-Myers is so disturbing and so believable in Matchpoint, with his cold, intelligent eyes and his cruel, sensual mouth, that I'm convinced he'll make a superb Henry VIII. He's the ideal actor to play a sixteenth-century royal sociopath. You can take my word for it, or you can see Matchpoint and judge for yourself.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on November 16, 2006, 09:20:14 AM
Rhys-Myers is so disturbing and so believable in Matchpoint, with his cold, intelligent eyes and his cruel, sensual mouth, that I'm convinced he'll make a superb Henry VIII. He's the ideal actor to play a sixteenth-century royal sociopath.

I am glad to hear this and gives me a renewed hope for the series! Thanks, Elisabeth.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 29, 2007, 07:06:37 PM
The show now has an official website: http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/home.do?source=shocom_home
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on January 30, 2007, 12:32:19 AM
apparently the site is only available from the us so i can't access it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 30, 2007, 07:22:06 AM
apparently the site is only available from the us so i can't access it.
  Hmm... that's strange. There is not much there yet because it's brand new, but it does have links to a trailer, press release, some dowloads, a future message board, etc.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 30, 2007, 09:12:29 AM
Here's what the homepage looks like:

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2883/tudorsib8.th.jpg) (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tudorsib8.jpg)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on January 30, 2007, 09:52:42 AM
it's called the tudors and it's about henry 8th?

urgh, so unfair.

when will someone make a movie on the whole dynasty? (hint hint, henry 7th!)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 30, 2007, 10:16:03 AM
 :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 30, 2007, 10:17:28 AM
Following on from that, I agree wholeheartedly with you Ilyala. And while we're at it, how about Edward IV?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 30, 2007, 05:58:24 PM
I daresay, most people won't even think of it this way, because to them Henry VIII and Elizabeth I are the only Tudors... I wish this show would start with Henry VII and end with Elizabeth, but this one sounds like they will only stick to Henry....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on January 31, 2007, 12:53:31 AM
i think someone should make a series about all the english monarchs!

well, ok, we can leave out some saxon ones of which we don't know much but i think that if we start with alfred the great we should have an amazing show. and it's got everything: plenty of drama, some comedy, love stories, love triangles, more action than a soap opera and, of course, the most fascinating part would be that it all actually happened!

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 31, 2007, 02:53:17 AM
Oooh yes, one of the most fascinating Saxon Kings would be Edgar the Peaceable, so they would have to "do" him. ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 31, 2007, 10:00:55 AM
i think someone should make a series about all the english monarchs!

well, ok, we can leave out some saxon ones of which we don't know much but i think that if we start with alfred the great we should have an amazing show. and it's got everything: plenty of drama, some comedy, love stories, love triangles, more action than a soap opera and, of course, the most fascinating part would be that it all actually happened!



Ok, let's do it! Ilyala, I'm casting you as Henrietta Maria, Kim as Lady Margaret Beaufort (she's got just the serious temperament for it! ;)) and Helen A as Philippa of Hainault.  ;D

Seriously though, I agree - I personally think the Tudors have been totally done to death (well, Henry VIII and Elizabeth I anyway) and I wish they'd move on to something else, especially something Plantagenet.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 31, 2007, 10:21:33 AM
Lady Margaret Beaufort....eeeek :P :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 31, 2007, 01:53:02 PM
I wish they'd move on to something else, especially something Plantagenet.

They probably feel that no one else would "sell". You know how those "Hollywood types" are  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on January 31, 2007, 02:10:20 PM
Good point - would anything like that sell to a public that's been almost conditioned to think that pre-Windsor royalty is limited exclusively to the Tudors?  :-\
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 31, 2007, 02:14:09 PM
would anything like that sell to a public that's been almost conditioned to think that pre-Windsor royalty is limited exclusively to the Tudors?  :-\

Nope...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 31, 2007, 02:21:33 PM
Oh I dunno....Keira "Poutly" Knightly as Katherine Swynford and Hugh Grant as John of Gaunt, George Michael as Richard II. I'd pay to see it....NOT ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on January 31, 2007, 04:08:53 PM
Hi,

There was an old movie from 1939 called "The Tower of London" about Edward IV and Richard III.
It had Richard (Basil Rathbone) conspiring against his brothers, the Duke of Clarence (Vincent Price) and Edward (Ian Hunter) and terrorizing Elizabeth Woodville (Barbara O'Niell).
Boris Karloff played a deformed executioner.
It was a hoot and more horror show than history but it didn't go too far off the facts.
Boris and Basil had pet ravins in the picture.

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on February 01, 2007, 12:04:55 AM

Ok, let's do it! Ilyala, I'm casting you as Henrietta Maria, Kim as Lady Margaret Beaufort (she's got just the serious temperament for it! ;)) and Helen A as Philippa of Hainault.  ;D

Seriously though, I agree - I personally think the Tudors have been totally done to death (well, Henry VIII and Elizabeth I anyway) and I wish they'd move on to something else, especially something Plantagenet.

henrietta maria?!!!!  :o :o :o :o
no way. let's try someone more interesting, bitchy in a pleasant way like... uhm... margaret tudor  ;D. now that's a character.

or i'd go for even older peeps like eleanor of aquitaine!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 01, 2007, 07:50:22 AM
What's wrong with Henrietta Maria?  ;D

And Eleanor of Aquitaine wasn't old her whole life! ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on February 01, 2007, 11:51:27 PM
What's wrong with Henrietta Maria?  ;D

And Eleanor of Aquitaine wasn't old her whole life! ;)

henrietta maria is to me a great example of what intelligence without caution does to people. she was smart enough to influence her husband, however she was not cautious enough to help him keep his throne. she's an example of blind stubborness and that's something i really don't like in a person.

and you know what i meant about eleanor  :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on February 27, 2007, 11:08:31 AM
At last, someone on high has had a sneaky peek at my wish list ;D ;D. The original BBC drama series "The Six Wives Of Henry VIII" has been released on DVD. Mine's coming tomorrow....9 hours of TV heaven along with a nice bottle of red wine and a box of choccies.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: bell_the_cat on February 27, 2007, 05:20:29 PM
If Ilyala was a Stuart, I think she would be Elizabeth, Queen of Bohemia! ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on February 28, 2007, 03:58:31 AM
If Ilyala was a Stuart, I think she would be Elizabeth, Queen of Bohemia! ;)

hm, interesting choice
but why?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Paul on March 01, 2007, 01:30:49 AM
Yes! Even a shorter mini-series on the lives of Henry's two surviving sisters would be hot.

On that note, the trailers for "The Tudors" gives the impression that they're going to mix up Mary & Margaret Tudor. I hope that this isn't the case.

it's called the tudors and it's about henry 8th?

urgh, so unfair.

when will someone make a movie on the whole dynasty? (hint hint, henry 7th!)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 02, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
On that note, the trailers for "The Tudors" gives the impression that they're going to mix up Mary & Margaret Tudor. I hope that this isn't the case.

That is the case. I was doing some reading about the show the other day and found that many people were upset by this. The two sisters (Margaret and Mary) are now one (Margaret pronounce Mar-gar-eet). She's betrothed to the King of Portugal when she and Charles Brandon run off to get married.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on March 03, 2007, 03:49:39 AM
On that note, the trailers for "The Tudors" gives the impression that they're going to mix up Mary & Margaret Tudor. I hope that this isn't the case.

That is the case. I was doing some reading about the show the other day and found that many people were upset by this. The two sisters (Margaret and Mary) are now one (Margaret pronounce Mar-gar-eet). She's betrothed to the King of Portugal when she and Charles Brandon run off to get married.


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

i HATE it when they do that!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

i'm not going to watch it, it makes me really angry to watch an interesting piece of history being destroyed.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 03, 2007, 05:03:42 AM
From what I've gathered it basically seems like a show about people who have a few things in common with certain historical figures and who have lots of sex. HBO probably would have done a better job on this series. They tend to produce quality and this just seems like soft core porn. I wouldn't expect 100% accuracy of appearances. I wouldn't even mind them fudging a few dates (who really wants to watch this show for 12 years before Anne Boleyn makes an appearance?). But getting details so completely wrong so as to not make bear even the slightest resemblance to truth is what angers me to no end about basically all programs I've ever watched about royalty. If they don't care about the real people and the real events, why make the series in the first place?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 03, 2007, 03:46:39 PM
On that note, the trailers for "The Tudors" gives the impression that they're going to mix up Mary & Margaret Tudor. I hope that this isn't the case.

That is the case. I was doing some reading about the show the other day and found that many people were upset by this. The two sisters (Margaret and Mary) are now one (Margaret pronounce Mar-gar-eet). She's betrothed to the King of Portugal when she and Charles Brandon run off to get married.


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

i HATE it when they do that!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

i'm not going to watch it, it makes me really angry to watch an interesting piece of history being destroyed.

I had a feeling something like this would be the case... That they would turn this into some sort of a cheesy soap opera. What a shame.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 03, 2007, 03:47:44 PM
If they don't care about the real people and the real events, why make the series in the first place?

$$$$$
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on March 05, 2007, 04:11:09 AM
If they don't care about the real people and the real events, why make the series in the first place?

$$$$$

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

if they're going to use the name of a real person, they should at least TRY to stick to the actual truth about that person. otherwise why not make a movie 'inspired' by the tudors but name it the victors?

i understand that there is some data that cannot be found out about unless you do a lot of research and i understand that some people are unwilling to do it. however, henry had two (surviving) sisters, not one, and i'm sure that can be found in even the least detailed book you can find about him!

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

i am currently even more angered by seeing 'alexander' last night. but at least there i saw a kind of an attempt to stick to the actual facts (albeit a failed attempt). this is just a stupid commercial mumbo jumbo.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 08, 2007, 01:29:39 PM
If they don't care about the real people and the real events, why make the series in the first place?

$$$$$

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

if they're going to use the name of a real person, they should at least TRY to stick to the actual truth about that person. otherwise why not make a movie 'inspired' by the tudors but name it the victors?

i understand that there is some data that cannot be found out about unless you do a lot of research and i understand that some people are unwilling to do it. however, henry had two (surviving) sisters, not one, and i'm sure that can be found in even the least detailed book you can find about him!

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

i am currently even more angered by seeing 'alexander' last night. but at least there i saw a kind of an attempt to stick to the actual facts (albeit a failed attempt). this is just a stupid commercial mumbo jumbo.

I agree. Maybe the two sisters as one thing is some attempt to scale back the cast and therefore the budget? I think it would have been better if they had had Mary be Mary and just have Margaret out of the country. Then when sweeps come around they could have had some famous actress make a cameo as Margaret. Unlike HBO's Rome series, information about these people is not hard to find and many average people have at least a little knowledge about the Tudors -more than just "Henry VIII is the one who killed all his wives". It bothers me when television shows have such little faith in the intelligence of the average viewer. And so what if they don't know who the Tudors are? Would it kill people to learn a little something once in awhile?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on March 09, 2007, 01:55:16 AM
what bothers me is that the people who don't know any history take these movies for actual truth. i can't tell you how many times i've heard of 'braveheart' cited as a historical source for people who had no clue. not to mention the dreadful cate blanchett 'elizabeth'.
 >:(
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 12, 2007, 06:15:19 PM
BTW, the official TUDORS website has been updated, and there is a little bit of action on it now  ;). Check it out:

http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/home.do?source=shocom_home

Who needs historical facts when you can have this!  ;D

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on March 13, 2007, 02:57:30 AM
i still can't see it from outside the states.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 14, 2007, 01:55:41 AM
Showtime has posted the first two episodes. The password is king.

http://www.sho.com/site/vip/home.do

Edited because I should inform anyone who happens to read this that they should only watch The Tudors if they're of a mature age and have no problem with nudity, foul language, or violence. I'm a few minutes in and don't think I've caught any foul language, but as there's already been one murder and one set of bare breasts I felt I should include everything in my little disclaimer.

As I have nothing but love for JRM I think I'll be able to stomach this if I pretend he's playing a fictional king I've never heard of. He looks more like Edward VI than Henry VIII!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on March 14, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
Egad and gadzooks it still ain't working for me :-\
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 16, 2007, 02:24:59 PM
Showtime has posted the first two episodes. The password is king.

http://www.sho.com/site/vip/home.do

Thanks for posting this link, Taren. I started watching it at work, but had to shut it down almost immediately due to obvious reasons  :o ;) . Basically, it's pretty much trash - as expected - but of course I will be compelled to see it anyway - the masochist that I am... As I originally suspected, Henry is totally miscast, IMO (what's with the big pouty lips?), and so were various others, like AB (what is she doing there in that time period anyway?)... The costumes are nice, I suppose...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 21, 2007, 07:55:39 AM
I caught a part of The Tudors last night (first two episodes aired for free on Direct TV). It's not as bad as I expected, although I must say I still just can't buy Jonathan Rhys Meyers as young Henry VIII (why, oh why did they cast him??). I thought the actor who played Francois was appropriate enough though... The script is not too bad... Maybe because my expectations were so low... I think this was a toned down (heavily edited) PG version.... I only caught the last 20 minutes of the 1st episode and fell asleep after about 20-25 minutes of the second, so didn't get to see the complete version of either. But I feel slightly more optimistic about this series now... although it's not saying much...  :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 21, 2007, 02:10:50 PM
I don't know....after I originally posted the link I watched the second half of the first episode and I can buy him more as Henry after he starts growing the beard. They showed a preview for the events of the first season and included was Henry saying he wanted a divorce. Though we know this comes years after he first meets Anne Boleyn I can understand why they're doing it like this. It would be boring to wait around 7 seasons of the show for the "action" to start happening.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 21, 2007, 02:31:56 PM
I don't know....after I originally posted the link I watched the second half of the first episode and I can buy him more as Henry after he starts growing the beard.

But he is not even red-headed, which is Henry's most recognizable feature! And what about those big pouty lips and huge eyes? Henry was always known for his thin little lips and small beady eyes... The beard does not help, IMHO... The person I would buy more as Henry is the actor who played Buckingham, red beard and all. He certainly looks a lot more like Henry (and has more of that "Henry affect")...


Though we know this comes years after he first meets Anne Boleyn I can understand why they're doing it like this. It would be boring to wait around 7 seasons of the show for the "action" to start happening.

So why couldn't they have just started the series when the AB "action" started? Oh yes, I know why, because they couldn't have portrayed Henry as a pretty boy then, because he was too old at that point... But wait a minute, of course they could have! They can do anything they want  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 21, 2007, 08:58:14 PM
But he is not even red-headed, which is Henry's most recognizable feature! And what about those big pouty lips and huge eyes? Henry was always known for his thin little lips and small beady eyes... The beard does not help, IMHO... The person I would buy more as Henry is the actor who played Buckingham, red beard and all. He certainly looks a lot more like Henry (and has more of that "Henry affect")...

I know -he should have at least dyed his hair, but he can't help the way his lips look. JRM surprises me with his choices. When I heard he was playing Elvis I laughed. An Irishman playing southern Elvis was ridiculous. But when I actually saw the performance, despite his not looking at all like Elvis, it was believable and very enjoyable. I believe he got either an Emmy nomination or win for that role. Despite being pretty, he really is a good actor. Once you get over the initial fact that there's barely any resemblance there, it's pretty easy to get into the performance. I'd rather have a good actor with little resemblance in the role or a Henry clone who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.


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So why couldn't they have just started the series when the AB "action" started? Oh yes, I know why, because they couldn't have portrayed Henry as a pretty boy then, because he was too old at that point... But wait a minute, of course they could have! They can do anything they want  ;).

I think they're trying to get as much into the show as possible. If they started the show right at the divorce there would be people confused about just how they got to that point. And then of course Anne is probably the best known of Henry's wives so if they started at the beginning of his marriage to Katherine you'd have people asking where Anne was and then we'd have to wait almost 20 years for them to get to Anne. I have better things to do than sit around Showtime waiting for that to happen. They want to show Henry as a pretty boy because they wanted to get across that he wasn't always the fat guy with the chicken leg in each hand. Depending on how long the show goes, they're probably going to get more into just what made him go from skinny pretty boy to the man he turned out to be.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 23, 2007, 01:25:08 PM
I'd rather have a good actor with little resemblance in the role or a Henry clone who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

I suppose that's true... Although it would have been better if they found a good actor who actually looked like Henry!

I think they're trying to get as much into the show as possible. If they started the show right at the divorce there would be people confused about just how they got to that point. And then of course Anne is probably the best known of Henry's wives so if they started at the beginning of his marriage to Katherine you'd have people asking where Anne was and then we'd have to wait almost 20 years for them to get to Anne. I have better things to do than sit around Showtime waiting for that to happen. They want to show Henry as a pretty boy because they wanted to get across that he wasn't always the fat guy with the chicken leg in each hand. Depending on how long the show goes, they're probably going to get more into just what made him go from skinny pretty boy to the man he turned out to be.

Oh I understand exactly why they did it, there is no need to explain, I just don't have to like what they did... do I?  ;)

P.S. Although Henry was not always a "fat guy with a chicken leg in each hand" he was never really a "pretty boy" either... It's not an "all or nothing" type of deal  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on March 23, 2007, 02:47:01 PM
Well I like that they made Henry look nice for this show.  Who wants to look at some fat old guy being a king on TV.  Besides every body back then pretended that Henry was cute because he was the king and nobody would have said he was fat or ugly or that he smelled which I bet he did.  All these women wanted to marry him anyway.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 23, 2007, 02:53:19 PM
Well I like that they made Henry look nice for this show.  Who wants to look at some fat old guy being a king on TV. 

Yes, and this is precisely how the producers thought, hence we have Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Henry  :D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on March 23, 2007, 04:22:58 PM
The BBC production of The Other Boleyn Girl, at least got the part of Henry right IMO. Jared Harris at least looked the part
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/images/jared_harris.jpg)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on March 23, 2007, 07:27:39 PM
Oh I understand exactly why they did it, there is no need to explain, I just don't have to like what they did... do I?  ;)

P.S. Although Henry was not always a "fat guy with a chicken leg in each hand" he was never really a "pretty boy" either... It's not an "all or nothing" type of deal  ;).

No, obviously you do not. So I ask...what (other than a different Henry) would you have preferred? Would you have rather the show began with Henry's marriage to Katherine, lasted twenty or so seasons (to keep it in real time) and then brought in Anne and the divorce? OR would you have skipped Katherine altogether and began with Anne?

From the descriptions I've read of Henry as a young man, I would describe him as a pretty boy. However, my definition of that phrase may be different than someone else's.

One of my problems with the show is the amount of sex. It's just not necessary and does very little to advance the plot (other than showing Henry with Bessie Blount to show that she was his mistress). Things are going on, there's action all around, but suddenly we have to stop for five minutes for the chicka bow wow to go down. With sex and this show, less could and should be more.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ilyala on March 24, 2007, 01:51:29 AM
henry was praised as being a good looking man when he was young. of course, the standards were different then but i think that had someone thought differently it would have reached us.

even if an actor does not look exactly like henry he can be made to! nicole kidman wore a fake nose to play virginia wolfe because everyone knew about virginia wolfe's nose, why can't jonathan rhys myers die his hair?!

a painting of young henry:
(http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/more/henryVIII.jpg)

i think they should have at least tried to die his hair and maybe leave it longer and then shorten it as he grows old. or a wig, if he's not willing to turn red!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 26, 2007, 12:38:42 PM
henry was praised as being a good looking man when he was young. of course, the standards were different then but i think that had someone thought differently it would have reached us.

even if an actor does not look exactly like henry he can be made to! nicole kidman wore a fake nose to play virginia wolfe because everyone knew about virginia wolfe's nose, why can't jonathan rhys myers die his hair?!

a painting of young henry:
(http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/more/henryVIII.jpg)

i think they should have at least tried to die his hair and maybe leave it longer and then shorten it as he grows old. or a wig, if he's not willing to turn red!

Thanks, ilyala, these are more or less my sentiments... IMO, not only does the actor not look anything like the historical character he is portraying, but there was not even a slightest attempt to make him look like him... And yes, your example of Nicole Kidman's nose is a good one. In fact, Glenda Jackson wore a fake schnoz in Elizabeth R too, in order to resemble her character more, even though she is an amazing actress without it...

BTW, we already had this very same conversation about young Henry's "handsome" looks and Jonathan's "pretty boy" looks on this very thread, but earlier on in the discussion. I even made this post on page 3:

What do you mean by too 'pretty' if I may ask? Wasn't Henry described as a handsome youth?  ;)

Ok... 

Young Henry VIII:                      Jonathan Rhys-Myers:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/younghenryVIII.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/jonathan-rhys-meyers-1.jpg)


I rest my case  ;) ....

They pulled the same thing with Leicester in The Virgin Queen!   :P

Robert Dudley:                                 Tom Hardy:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/leicester.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/tomhardy.jpg)

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on March 26, 2007, 02:35:00 PM

One of my problems with the show is the amount of sex. It's just not necessary and does very little to advance the plot (other than showing Henry with Bessie Blount to show that she was his mistress). Things are going on, there's action all around, but suddenly we have to stop for five minutes for the chicka bow wow to go down. With sex and this show, less could and should be more.

Sounds a bit like the awful Granada Henry VIII with Ray Winstone, which was merely about sex and crime. I hope this series is better though.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 26, 2007, 02:42:31 PM

Sounds a bit like the awful Granada Henry VIII with Ray Winstone, which was merely about sex and crime. I hope this series is better though.

So far it looks better. But then again, it's not sayiing much when you compare it to that horrible Ray Winstone version!  Ray Winstone looked more the part but he was horrible as Henry VIII. So either way it isn't good... 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on March 26, 2007, 03:14:03 PM
I ADORE Ray Winstone, but his awful "cockney" Henry VIII was almost as bad as Dick Van Dyke in "Mary Poppins" :o
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 26, 2007, 05:26:08 PM
Now the actor who truly captured the essence of Henry VIII - young and old - was Keith Michell! He played Henry in three different productions (that I know of) and still can't be beat. Now he actually looks like Henry (young and old) AND can act!  I guess that's not so easy to find....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on April 02, 2007, 03:31:34 PM
This Showtime series is probably THE WORST I've ever seen. And that's really saying something, because Showtime has produced a lot of godawful television series during its existence.

You'd think, if they were willing to spend so much moolah on sets and costumes (to the extent that everything looked like Renaissance Fair 2007 - no tattered edges, pock-marked skin or rotting teeth here, 16th century or not!), they could have invested maybe a teensy-weensy little bit on the screenplay as well. But nooooo... heaven forbid. Instead we have Wolsey suggesting to Henry that he propose a peace treaty encompassing all of Western Europe - a treaty to be ratified by Henry and the French king at a "summit" in France, no less. A summit of what, I'm thinking, the G8?... But oh no, it's worse than that even: "Pan-European institutions will be established," intones Wolsey solemnly.

Because in the Showtime version of English history it turns out that Henry VIII had the original idea for the European Union! Way back in the sixteenth century no less! How's that for a great king! Hurrah!

I'm not even going to comment on all the out-of-whack chronology, the over-ripe bosoms and modern-looking hairdos... or on the anachronistic ruffs and French hoods (pre-Anne Boleyn). Suffice it to say, everything is as historically inaccurate as all get-out. And yes, you're right, all you purists out there, it wasn't Buckingham's daughter Henry and Brandon had affairs with - it was his sister.... Geez!

 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on April 07, 2007, 03:28:34 PM
Now the actor who truly captured the essence of Henry VIII - young and old - was Keith Michell! He played Henry in three different productions (that I know of) and still can't be beat. Now he actually looks like Henry (young and old) AND can act!  I guess that's not so easy to find....

You know the only actor working today who could even have hoped to match up to Keith Michell as Henry VIII is... Ralph Fiennes. That said, I suppose my suggestion requires something of a leap of the imagination. I'd be the first to admit, Ralph Fiennes's overall appearance may not immediately bring to mind a portrait of Henry VIII, or even that of a young Henry VIII. Nevertheless... if you look at Fiennes in roles like that of the concentration camp commandant Goeth in Schindler's List or, for that matter, in that of the bereaved husband in The Constant Gardener, you do get a sense of how movingly he can play the emotion of self-pity... to its very outermost limits... For that matter, even when the role in question is a little bit or even awfully creepy, as it certainly is in the case of Goeth.

I do believe that self-pity and suffering are the key to any dramatic interpretation of Henry VIII. It's important to remember... according to every contemporary account that was ever written, Henry VIII always felt supremely sorry for himself. In his own opinion, no matter how many atrocities he committed, he remained... greatly wronged.

So I am asking...where is Ralph Fiennes when you really need him?!?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: carl fraley on April 07, 2007, 04:00:29 PM
Ok i'm no where near a Russell Crowe fan but with a little weight and a trimmed (nicely) beard as he had in Gladiator, ANyone think he might come closer to Henry VIII ?

IMO I think too that Irene Papas was the best Katherine of Aragon I've seen.....   Richard burton wasn't all that bad either.....

I wish they would make a movie about Margaret Tudor, I think she's often the  unfairly overlooked member of the Tudro Dynasty........ Her's was a life Way more interesting than Poor Mary's.........
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 07, 2007, 04:11:47 PM
Lets face it..... nobody can do it like the BBC,(Keith Mitchell et al)
As for Ralph Fiennes and where is he when you need him......well 8) 8) yum
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 07, 2007, 04:18:38 PM
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Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: jehan on April 07, 2007, 06:54:57 PM


IMO I think too that Irene Papas was the best Katherine of Aragon I've seen.....   Richard burton wasn't all that bad either.....

I wish they would make a movie about Margaret Tudor, I think she's often the  unfairly overlooked member of the Tudro Dynasty........ Her's was a life Way more interesting than Poor Mary's.........

I agree Irene Papas's performance was wonderful, but I'd like to see Katherine played as she really was- fair skinned and auburn haired, and not the swarthy sterotypical Spaniard she is always portrayed as being.  She had English descent through John of Gaunt, and was not dark complexioned (and neither are many Spanish people).  And since Anne Boleyn WAS dark haired and eyed, it would make more of a contrast.

I agree about Margaret too- her life would make a good movie!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on April 10, 2007, 10:51:21 AM
Isn't this interesting? This series just gets worse and worse with every episode. Jonathan Rhys-Myers is completely miscast as Henry. That was obvious even in the first episode, but even more obvious now, in the second, when he meets Francis of France on the Field of Cloth of Gold. Whereas in real life Francis (Francois!) was of relatively small stature, and Henry Tudor absolutely towered over him, in this series the opposite proves to be true. Of course, in a tv show where the dialogue was actually interesting and continually reflected character development, that wouldn't matter so much, but here it does, and there's no getting around it. Because the screenplay is so unbelievably lame and even childish, the screenwriters obviously thought their viewers would be total idiots.

Just to give one example, when Henry discusses Machiavelli with dear old Sir Thomas More (who addresses him, unbelievably, as "Henry" and not "Your Majesty"!), all he can summon up from his reading is that tired old cliché, which even the most mediocre undergraduate gleans from the most cursory reading of The Prince, is whether it is better for a prince to be loved or feared. OOOOOOOOOOH! Such erudition!

All the bodice-busting sexual rambunctiousness  is also highly embarrassing in the extreme. You know, it's possible to show Henry as a sexual player without depicting him as some sort of ersatz rock star... Not to mention the fact, that such a comparison would have made the real Henry VIII flinch, and rightfully so, since he was deeply religious and not even remotely the equivalent of an amoral Mick Jagger or Keith Richards of the sixteenth century... True, he may have been a hypocrite, but he was utterly sincere in his hypocrisy. And this is where the Showtime series just gets everything wrong... In updating Henry, as they see fit, they have completely lost sight of the very psychologically complex and interesting historical Henry. And yes, I am indeed wishing Keith Michell were still around... not to mention the screenwriters for the BBC production of The Six Wives of Henry VIII, too - because they got just about everything right in that series, in stark and embarrassing contrast to this one.

When will American producers learn, it's the screenplay that ultimately counts the most, not the stars, not the sets, and not the costumes?!?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 10, 2007, 12:47:15 PM

You know the only actor working today who could even have hoped to match up to Keith Michell as Henry VIII is... Ralph Fiennes. That said, I suppose my suggestion requires something of a leap of the imagination. I'd be the first to admit, Ralph Fiennes's overall appearance may not immediately bring to mind a portrait of Henry VIII, or even that of a young Henry VIII. Nevertheless... if you look at Fiennes in roles like that of the concentration camp commandant Goeth in Schindler's List or, for that matter, in that of the bereaved husband in The Constant Gardener, you do get a sense of how movingly he can play the emotion of self-pity... to its very outermost limits... For that matter, even when the role in question is a little bit or even awfully creepy, as it certainly is in the case of Goeth.

I do believe that self-pity and suffering are the key to any dramatic interpretation of Henry VIII. It's important to remember... according to every contemporary account that was ever written, Henry VIII always felt supremely sorry for himself. In his own opinion, no matter how many atrocities he committed, he remained... greatly wronged.

So I am asking...where is Ralph Fiennes when you really need him?!?

Hmmm... I would have never thought of it myself, but now that you mentioned it, I can totally see him as Henry VIII. Especially your example of his role as Goeth.


This series just gets worse and worse with every episode. Jonathan Rhys-Myers is completely miscast as Henry.

Sometimes I just hate to be right  ;).  I knew this was going to be the case before I even saw the trailer, in fact, I knew it the second I heard Rhys-Myers was cast as Henry and the show was produced by the same people as Cate Blanchett's "Elizabeth"... I was so hoping I was wrong... What a shame, this series could have had so much potential...  :'( I wish BCC did something along these lines instead. 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 10, 2007, 06:54:30 PM
JRM=HRM. Natalie Dormer was is 'Casanova' and that's all i know, save for Jonathan Rhys-Meyers. Watched sodes 1 & 2, good but a bit exaggerated and twisted. They took Margaret and Mary and formed the sisters into one character.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: RichC on April 11, 2007, 11:56:07 PM

Sometimes I just hate to be right  ;).  I knew this was going to be the case before I even saw the trailer, in fact, I knew it the second I heard Rhys-Myers was cast as Henry and the show was produced by the same people as Cate Blanchett's "Elizabeth"... I was so hoping I was wrong... What a shame, this series could have had so much potential...  :'( I wish BCC did something along these lines instead. 

I just stumbled across this thread -- and agree wholeheartedly with the general consensus about The Tutors.  Off with their heads!

The Tutors kind of reminds me of the film Edward II (Derek Jarman) -- only worse.  Especially the whole rock star thing that Elisabeth mentioned.  I think the guy who plays Wolsey is particularly bad.  I was sure I'd seen him in many episodes of Columbo and Murder She Wrote but then found out it's Sam Neill. 

Hey, maybe they got confused and the show is supposed to be about Prince Henry Windsor, rather than his ancestor...

I may continue to watch just to see that perpetual smirk on Anne Boleyn's face go away.

All that said, I loved Cate Blanchett's Elizabeth.  I really enjoyed it.  I once read an interesting article about the film Elizabeth and how it was meant to be a commentary on contemporary (late 1990's) British politics/foreign policy.  If I can dig it up, I'll post it somewhere...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2007, 09:52:28 AM
I'm thinking that the heavily edited versions of the first two episodes which I saw (the free previews) may have been a little more palatable than the unedited Showtime ones (which I didn't see). At least it spared the viewers all the gory soap operish details (and I mean that in the worst possible sense). Not that what I saw was good in any way, it was just not as bad as I expected. Of course I expected it to be really REALLY bad, so it's not saying much...

I wonder how long this series will last. They have been marketing it like crazy! Considering that HBO's ROME only lasted two seasons (and I thought that was pretty good, although I can see why some people wouldn't like it), this one should last about an hour or so...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2007, 09:58:44 AM
All that said, I loved Cate Blanchett's Elizabeth.  I really enjoyed it.  I once read an interesting article about the film Elizabeth and how it was meant to be a commentary on contemporary (late 1990's) British politics/foreign policy.  If I can dig it up, I'll post it somewhere...

I concede that visually Elizabeth is a stunning film. Historically - it's crap. I would be interested to see this article you mention, although IMO, they should have found a different way to comment on contemporary British politics - there are already enough people out there ignorant of history - no need for Hollywood to contibute to that  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Aine on April 13, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
I agree with the general consensus that this show is terrible - I struggled to watch past five minutes of the first episode, and it's only gotten worse.

What are people's expectations for the film coming out late this year, "The Other Boleyn Girl," and/or how Eric Bana will manage the role of Henry? I'm not sure he'll be much better than Jonathan Rhys-Meyers, honestly.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2007, 02:02:41 PM
IWhat are people's expectations for the film coming out late this year, "The Other Boleyn Girl,"

Well, considering that I thought that the book was absolutely awful, my expectations are not much... But of course I will watch it, the masochist that I am  ;D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 13, 2007, 03:09:33 PM
.....and buy the DVD so you can carry on hating it in the comfort of your own home ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2007, 03:15:20 PM
.....and buy the DVD so you can carry on hating it in the comfort of your own home ;D ;D ;D ;D

BUY it? What do you take me for? I'll borrow it at the library   8) ;D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Angie_H on April 14, 2007, 10:24:13 PM
Saw the 1st 2 episodes. Spent them yelling at the TV. I end up doing this when watching something that is INCACCURATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blah! Rome on HBO was better even though that was inaccurate too. Glad I didn't waste my time taping it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 15, 2007, 02:56:37 PM
Hey, I was reading 'Time' magazine when I came across an article in the Arts-Entertainment section. The article is by Rebecca Winters Keegan, and it goes like this:

Heading: When Royals Become Rock Stars. Remember Henry VIII? Not like this, you don't. Hollywood is engineering a Tudor revival

'A handsome, charismatic young star is bored with his marriage and worried about his legacy. He distracts himself by bedding young lovelies, throwing extravagant parties and hanging out with friends who keep him out of trouble---at least until the wrong girl comes along. If this sounds like an upcoming episode of Entourage, then adjust your cultural references and add some tights. The young celeb: Henry VIII. The first wife: Catherine of Aragon. The friends: Cardinal Wolsey and Sir Thomas More. The temptres: Anne Boleyn. Sound familiar? Unlike the corpulent old Henry VIII many of us remember froum our history testbooks, young Henry VIII lived a life that was positively high-def-TV ready, one that could have spiced up 16th century news-stands, had tabloid editors been around instead of Erasmus. And now Henry is making up for centuries of being relegated to the Old Kings' club by becoming Hollywood's hunk du jour. The Tudors, the most expensive Showtime series ever, starring Jonathan Rhys Meyers as a svelte and sporty King, starts April 1. A film adaptation of Philippa Gregory's 2002 best-selling novel historical novel The Other Boleyn Girl, with Natalie Portman as Anne Boleyn, Scarlett Johansson as her sister Mary and Munich's Eric Bana as another hubba-hubba Henry, is due later this year.

Other Tudor-era golk are getting there moment in the sun too. IN this fall's The Golden Age, Cate Blanchett reprises her role as the steely Queen from 1998's Elizabeth. The very busy [Scarlett] Johansson is scheduled to start filimng a biopic of Mary Queen of Scots this summer. Even Sting is getting in on the Tudor buzz, popping up on chat shows with a lute to promote Songs from the Labyrinth, a CD of tunes by 16th century composer John Dowland. And fat Henry hasn't been let out. A just closed exhibit of work by the King's portraitist, Hans Holbein, was a hit for London's Tate Britain museum. For audiences who like their history juicy, relatable and full of comforting moral certainties---which is to say pretty much everybody without a Ph. D.---there may be no better subject than young Henry. He was a rock star in a glittering, perilous age, and intelectually curious, athletic charmer who became a uxoricidal, paranoid turkey-leg chomper, pursuing a male heir through his six wives. It's a wonder it took the entertainment industry so long to fully exploit him---and the other Tudors too---since the period was one of the most scanal plagued in British history. The Diana-Charles divorce had nothing on the split from Rome. "It was a sexy time. It was a dangerous time. You can't exaggerate the violence and the beauty," says Michael Hirst, screenwriter of The Tudors and The Golden Age. "This is the moment when Henry---because he falls in love with a younger woman---destroys English history."

The house of Tudor stretched from 1485, with the coronation of King Henry VII, to 1603, the end of the reign of Elizabeth I, Henry VIII's daughter with Anne Boleyn. It was an era of religious turmoil, fomented by coquettish Lady Anne Boleyn lobbying for her King to annul his marriage to his first wife, Catherine. As Henry teetered between Catherine's Catholicism and Anne's Protestantism, the faith of a nation depended on a monarch's lust. "Our biggest enemy is terrorism," says Charles Beem, a historian at the University of North Carolina at Pembroke. "Theirs was the reformation. You can't overestimate how traumatic the changes in the church would have been." You might get close if you imagined Monica Lewinsky had been a radical Islamist an Bill Clinton married her and made everyone convert. "

There's more but the article is LONG   :o

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 15, 2007, 03:28:06 PM
Oh god help us....Sting with a lute :o :P...kill me now ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 15, 2007, 04:06:15 PM
Oh god help us....Sting with a lute :o :P...kill me now ;D ;D ;D

LOL! It's things like Sting with a lute that make me wonder if the end of the world is coming sooner rather than later.

Has anyone watched the two episodes they're offering for free online? I tried defending the first one, thinking "hey it's just a pilot episode...things will certainly improve. I've seen worse" and then I watched the second one where JRM's Henry wrestles the king of France. As JRM's Henry is a good six inches shorter than every other male in the cast (including the French king) there's no chance of him winning the wrestling match and Henry comes off looking like a big whiny brat. Then I read a post on another site from someone who had seen episode three. Apparently Henry tells Thomas More not to be "so virtuous...you're not a saint **insert knowing pause**'. The wrestling match and that ridiculous line have made this show dead for me. The only reason to watch would be if you just want to watch attractive men in frilly shirts. Usually I'm down for that, but don't feel like paying extra for Showtime. It's just not worth it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 15, 2007, 05:09:56 PM
Yeah. Henry was supposed to taller than Francis but instead Francis was towering over him. I think I read somewhere that Henry DID lose the wrestling match but that was because Francis tripped him  :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 17, 2007, 10:57:28 AM
I heard Sting playing his lute on the radio and it sounded kind of good.  But not many rock people play the lute so he must of worked hard to make the record because he loved it since he doesnt' need money probably.  And Sting is a whole lot more handsome than that guy Thomas Tallis who does all the singing and playing in the Tudors.  Plus Sting cuts his hair more like Henry than the stringy way Tallis does his so Sting would of fit into the show maybe better.  And more people would watch it even though it's pretty bad.  I think Mary and Brandon make a nice couple though even if it did make Henry mad.  Maybe he didn't know what happened on the ship.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on April 17, 2007, 12:24:51 PM
I heard Sting playing his lute on the radio and it sounded kind of good.  But not many rock people play the lute so he must of worked hard to make the record because he loved it since he doesnt' need money probably.  And Sting is a whole lot more handsome than that guy Thomas Tallis who does all the singing and playing in the Tudors.  Plus Sting cuts his hair more like Henry than the stringy way Tallis does his so Sting would of fit into the show maybe better.  And more people would watch it even though it's pretty bad.  I think Mary and Brandon make a nice couple though even if it did make Henry mad.  Maybe he didn't know what happened on the ship.

It's not Mary Tudor and Brandon, Binky, who are portrayed as runaway lovers in the Showtime TV series, but MARGARET TUDOR AND BRANDON. Now get this. How could Showtime possibly violate the rules of historical accuracy with more violence or absurdity? In real life, as we all know, Henry's favorite sister, that is his youngest sister, the very beautiful Mary, after a brief marriage to the elderly French king (who died shortly after the wedding), eloped with Henry's close friend,  Charles Brandon. MARY's daughter by him was Frances Brandon, who was the future mother of Lady Jane Grey. Meanwhile, and let us note, some years before, Henry's older sister MARGARET had married the king of Scotland, James IV, and borne his heir, James V, the future father of Mary, Queen of Scots.

So what Showtime is doing, by making Henry's sister Margaret the lover and eventual wife of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, is basically rewriting history - and in the process, writing both Lady Jane Grey and Mary Queen of Scots totally out of history, as if they had never existed in the first place!

Another way of putting this is, that the writers of the Showtime series have literally written themselves into a corner! This series can only last one or two seasons, at most. After 1553, with the death of Henry VIII's only legitimate son, Edward VI... real history catches up with them. I ask you, where does the famous Nine-Day Queen, i.e.,  Lady Jane Grey, come from, if she was never born to begin with? And where does all the Sturm und Drang of Elizabeth I's reign come from, if Mary Queen of Scots was never born and therefore, never existed?

Hopeless. The people who write this crap are...hopeless.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 17, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Apparently they're either shooting the second season now or about to begin.

The Mary/Margaret thing is so insulting to anyone who has read even half a book on the Tudor period. The consensus seems to be that the powers that be seem to think the audience would be confused by the presence of Mary Boleyn, Henry's daughter Mary, and Mary Rose. So while they seem to think the average viewer has no idea Henry had two sisters, I'd say most people know of at least the existence of Mary, Queen of Scots and Jane Grey. I'm interested to see how (if they do at all) they introduce Mary of Scots when they haven't shown any of Henry's relatives to have married into the Scottish royal family. And Jane Grey....I'm totally thinking they have her as Charles and ""Margaret's" daughter, skipping Frances altogether. It's going to be interesting to hear about just what crap they decide to pull.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 17, 2007, 01:02:25 PM
Oh Elisabeth you are worrying to much about this.  They had Mary/Margaret marry the King of Portugal instead of the King of France and let Brandon into her knickers on the boat over instead of the boat back when it really happened so they can find plenty of ways to make Lady Jane and Bloody Mary pop out of some where if they need to.  Hollywood is kind of like what Anna Russell used to say about opera that you can do all kinds of stupid things as long as you sing about it.  Just think about this like Henry's court is next to Melrose Place and Heather Locklear can prop up any sagging plot when the time comes.  She'll probably just show up when some body needs to have a mother because she's too old now to keep takign her own clothes off.  Hollywood really knows how to tell history to American people in a way they can understand it.  I think its' a whole lot easier to learn about the Tudors when they are all really sexy looking no matter how old they are.  Then I mean because they're all dead now.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Janet_W. on April 17, 2007, 01:16:47 PM
I have nothing against those who wish to explore a different facet of the story, or who are interested in presenting the story from another historically-based angle. But when the story itself is vivisected/eviscerated for matters of attention-getting, laziness, or to satisfy some egocentric whim . . . well, then the producers, writers and actors need to come clean with their audience and identify it as their very own all-about-me fantasy.

And Binky, I think you are being disingenuous.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on April 17, 2007, 04:28:00 PM


 After 1553, with the death of Henry VIII's only legitimate son, Edward VI... real history catches up with them. I ask you, where does the famous Nine-Day Queen, i.e.,  Lady Jane Grey, come from, if she was never born to begin with? And where does all the Sturm und Drang of Elizabeth I's reign come from, if Mary Queen of Scots was never born and therefore, never existed?

Hopeless. The people who write this crap are...hopeless.

Maybe they will both be introduced as the daughters or grand-daughters of Henry's sister and thus as sisters themselves - hehe.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 17, 2007, 07:44:34 PM
I heard Sting playing his lute on the radio and it sounded kind of good.  But not many rock people play the lute so he must of worked hard to make the record because he loved it since he doesnt' need money probably.  And Sting is a whole lot more handsome than that guy Thomas Tallis who does all the singing and playing in the Tudors.  Plus Sting cuts his hair more like Henry than the stringy way Tallis does his so Sting would of fit into the show maybe better.  And more people would watch it even though it's pretty bad.  I think Mary and Brandon make a nice couple though even if it did make Henry mad.  Maybe he didn't know what happened on the ship.

It's not Mary Tudor and Brandon, Binky, who are portrayed as runaway lovers in the Showtime TV series, but MARGARET TUDOR AND BRANDON. Now get this. How could Showtime possibly violate the rules of historical accuracy with more violence or absurdity? In real life, as we all know, Henry's favorite sister, that is his youngest sister, the very beautiful Mary, after a brief marriage to the elderly French king (who died shortly after the wedding), eloped with Henry's close friend,  Charles Brandon. MARY's daughter by him was Frances Brandon, who was the future mother of Lady Jane Grey. Meanwhile, and let us note, some years before, Henry's older sister MARGARET had married the king of Scotland, James IV, and borne his heir, James V, the future father of Mary, Queen of Scots.

So what Showtime is doing, by making Henry's sister Margaret the lover and eventual wife of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, is basically rewriting history - and in the process, writing both Lady Jane Grey and Mary Queen of Scots totally out of history, as if they had never existed in the first place!

Another way of putting this is, that the writers of the Showtime series have literally written themselves into a corner! This series can only last one or two seasons, at most. After 1553, with the death of Henry VIII's only legitimate son, Edward VI... real history catches up with them. I ask you, where does the famous Nine-Day Queen, i.e.,  Lady Jane Grey, come from, if she was never born to begin with? And where does all the Sturm und Drang of Elizabeth I's reign come from, if Mary Queen of Scots was never born and therefore, never existed?

Hopeless. The people who write this crap are...hopeless.

I agree---and what's extremely unbelievable is that the screenwriter, Michael Hirst says that '85 percent of it is historically accurate' and that 'they're getting close to the real people'.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 18, 2007, 12:13:47 PM
Come on, guys, do you really think that an average Showtime viewer will lose his or her sleep over where Mary Queen of Scots materialized from or exactly how she is related to the Tudors when the time comes (providing this series will last that long)? Of course not. They will just take it in stride, just like they accept the rest of so called "historical" crap Hollywood dishes out at them, and not even think twice about it... The producers know this, and they know therefore that they don't need to worry about it... 

Is it my imagination, or is The Tudors actually getting decent reviews?  :-\

 
And Binky, I think you are being disingenuous.

Now, you leave Binky alone!  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 18, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
I agree---and what's extremely unbelievable is that the screenwriter, Michael Hirst says that '85 percent of it is historically accurate' and that 'they're getting close to the real people'.

Was Hirst the screenwriter of Elizabeth (with Cate Blanchett), or was that just the same producer? If he was, then I am not surprised, as they pretty much tried to pull the same "historically accurate" BS there too... Sorry to keep harping on it, but Elizabeth had been one of my special pet peeves ever since it was released (at least until now ;)).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 18, 2007, 03:00:28 PM
I agree---and what's extremely unbelievable is that the screenwriter, Michael Hirst says that '85 percent of it is historically accurate' and that 'they're getting close to the real people'.

Oh I don't think Mr. Hirst is lying about this because most of what is on the screen is accurate.  Grass was green back then and still is and horses galloped forward then and still do and the castles they use were around back then and most men were taller than women back then too.  And Henry was a man and Katherine of Aragorn was a woman and so was Anne Boylen so that's all accurate too.  And the cardinal wore red and Thomas Moore wore black in all the portraits so thats' all true too.  So if you put that stuff all together maybe it does amount to 85% true.  Maybe Mr Hirst was talking about all this stuff to make it reach 85% accurate so he wouldn't of lied.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 18, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Come on, guys, do you really think that an average Showtime viewer will lose his or her sleep over where Mary Queen of Scots materialized from or exactly how she is related to the Tudors when the time comes (providing this series will last that long)? Of course not. They will just take it in stride, just like they accept the rest of so called "historical" crap Hollywood dishes out at them, and not even think twice about it... The producers know this, and they know therefore that they don't need to worry about it... 

Is it my imagination, or is The Tudors actually getting decent reviews?  :-\

 
And Binky, I think you are being disingenuous.

Now, you leave Binky alone!  ;)

Yeah the Tudors is getting good reviews.  Someone said "Henry brings sexy back." Um, yeah right.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on April 19, 2007, 01:23:51 PM
Come on, guys, do you really think that an average Showtime viewer will lose his or her sleep over where Mary Queen of Scots materialized from or exactly how she is related to the Tudors when the time comes (providing this series will last that long)? Of course not. They will just take it in stride, just like they accept the rest of so called "historical" crap Hollywood dishes out at them, and not even think twice about it... The producers know this, and they know therefore that they don't need to worry about it... 

Is it my imagination, or is The Tudors actually getting decent reviews?  :-\

 
And Binky, I think you are being disingenuous.

Now, you leave Binky alone!  ;)

Yeah the Tudors is getting good reviews.  Someone said "Henry brings sexy back." Um, yeah right.

Total twaddle. :P The physical appeal of JRM is hardly enough to recommend it, as we all seem to agree. I can't stand inaccuracies!  >:( ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 19, 2007, 02:05:16 PM
It might well be twaddle (I am sure it is) but I bet we would give it a viewing if we had the chance, Liam ;D ;D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on April 19, 2007, 03:03:39 PM
In announcing the start of second-season filming of this woebegone series, Variety  put a "spoiler alert" in front of its mention that Anne Boleyn gets beheaded in Season Two.  That about says it all.  This series really is aimed at the type of viewer to whom Anne's beheading will come as a big surprise.

But, as RichC pointed out earlier, it really might be worth watching just to see that annoying smirk wiped off her face by whatever means necessary.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 19, 2007, 03:46:47 PM
In announcing the start of second-season filming of this woebegone series, Variety  put a "spoiler alert" in front of its mention that Anne Boleyn gets beheaded in Season Two.  That about says it all.  This series really is aimed at the type of viewer to whom Anne's beheading will come as a big surprise.

But, as RichC pointed out earlier, it really might be worth watching just to see that annoying smirk wiped off her face by whatever means necessary.

Spoiler alert: when Anne gives birth, the baby is a girl!  ;D

Gee maybe Showtime will run a contest and let viewers name the baby.  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 19, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
Oh come on...maybe it will be a boy....Charles the First ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 19, 2007, 04:30:44 PM
Or maybe they''ll pretend that Henry wanted a boy so bad he dressed Elizabeth up as a boy they called Edward but when he got to be king and then his voice didnt' change on time he pretended to die and went into hiding and then came back as Elizabeth who killed Mary so she could be the queen.  Kind of like when Henry's sister smothered the King of Portugal who was really supposed to be the King of France.  Crossdressing is real popular in a lot of TV movies in American and other movies they run on TV.  Like Milton Burl and Jonathan Winters and Flip Wilson all did and got famous for it.  Maybe it could also explain why Elizabeth stayed a virgin since maybe something went wrong with her while she was pretending to be Edward.  It would make a lot of sense I think.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 19, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
Oh come on...maybe it will be a boy....Charles the First ;D

Well they're going to have to explain about the Stuarts at some point, right? Since obviously no one in Henry's family married into that family and had any descendants called Mary, Queen of Scots, who in turn had a son named James.

There we have it: Henry and Anne's son is going to run away to become king of Scotland because he's tired of the lifestyle that comes with being the son of a "rock n' roller".  ::)

Maybe the producers will read this thread and get some ideas.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on April 19, 2007, 05:28:20 PM
Five bucks says Heather Locklear plays Jane Seymour. Foxy!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 19, 2007, 07:44:53 PM
I was actually going to give the Tudors a chance, until I saw a summary of Episode #4:

While Henry is named "Defender of the Faith" by a Pope grateful for his spiritual and political loyalty, fidelity is scarce in Henry's court. His sister, Princess Margaret, marries the decrepit King of Portugal, only to murder him soon after and returns to the lustful arms of Charles Brandon. The Duke of Norfolk and Sir Thomas Boleyn continue to conspire against Cardinal Wolsey. And the King grows ever more enamored of Anne Boleyn. His increasing disinterest in his Queen, and the realization that he still hasn't produced a legitimate heir to the Tudor dynasty, conjure an urgent desire for radical action.

SINCE WHEN DID MARGARET MURDER THE KING OF PORTUGAL?!?
Anyways, here's the web address: http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/episodes.do
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 20, 2007, 09:53:51 AM
Well he looked like he had gangreen in his leg so he was going to die anyway.  And he must of had really bad breath since his teeth were so big and yellow so I can sort of understand why she would want to suffocate him.  Especially since Brandon was way better looking but was going to have to go back to England and leave her with the old king by herself.  You could tell by the way they looked at each other during that dance that Margaret and Brandon had something going on even with the king watching them.  So he probably would have been mean to Margaret for liking Brandon better if she hadn't of killed him.  So I can kind of see why the writer did it this way.  It makes sense if you don't want to have to sleep with an old man who probably smelled although you can't really tell that on TV.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on April 20, 2007, 03:00:53 PM
Crossdressing is real popular in a lot of TV movies in American and other movies they run on TV. 

And it would be so Shakespearean too! ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: koloagirl on April 20, 2007, 03:23:25 PM
 :D

Aloha all!

I was pretty excited when I first heard about this new Showtime series -- I thought that it was a great subject and full of drama and intrigue and by just sticking to the "facts" it would be enough to get people interested.   ::)

Wrong!  While I am certainly guilty of watching this show -- I have been swearing at the TV more and more as time goes by!   :o

Everything that folks are saying about this show on this thread (as far as negative remarks that is!) I say a hearty "ditto" to!

But you know what really bugged me in the last episode I watched?  Henry's sister "Margaret" -- sexy, loose hair -- and what a tan!  Did she winter in the South of France or what?  I know it is a minor point, but just one of the many obvious flaws of this show as far as any type of historical "accuracy" goes.

And while I have always thought that JRM was a really good actor (loved him in "Matchpoint"!) I agree that I just cannot see him in any way, shape or form as Henry.  Same said for the silly, smirking Anne Boleyn actress. 

Okay, just had to vent!  This show is so frustrating -- but I keep watching it!  The "train wreck" factor?   ;D

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Aine on April 21, 2007, 11:26:31 PM
Some people here have said that they enjoy HBO's "Rome," which I just couldn't enjoy – so I wonder what qualities a work of historical fiction needs to be successful, and if there is anything this series (The Tudors) could do to redeem itself? If they made the story more historically accurate, would you be more inclined to accept the actors' lack of resemblance to their characters? Could they take liberties with the story if you believed the look of the show and actors a little more?

For those who are fans of Rome, what makes its inaccuracies more tolerable than the ones here?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 22, 2007, 01:19:04 AM
I thought some of you critics of the show would get a kick out of this. It's a fake trailer for the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdgy1J7cKJU

It gets right down to the point!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 22, 2007, 01:18:45 PM
That was absolutely hillarious!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 22, 2007, 02:52:56 PM
HEY, that Winston Churchill looks just like my husband ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 22, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
That was funny, Taren!
Like others, I was anticipating a much more historically accurate recreation of the Tudor dynasty but I am afraid that we are going to have to forego accuracy and just enjoy it for what it is.  I realized this last week when they offered up "Margaret Tudor" when it should have been "Mary Tudor", and married her to the old King of Portugal instead of the old King of France.  They really have manipulated the timeline but I am going to accept it and continue to watch!

However, I do think it could have been just as good if they had been more accurate and true to events, but then accuracy doesn't really sell a series.  Too bad....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on April 23, 2007, 12:59:26 AM
HEY, that Winston Churchill looks just like my husband ;D ;D ;D

Lucky girl!  ;)

I wonder just how many years this show will cover. If the second season includes the *gasp spoiler alert* the beheading of Anne Boleyn, season three would include Jane Seymour for at least half that time and then Anne of Cleves. As Anne is supposed to be "the ugly one", how will Hollywood try to play that? Their version of ugly is basically putting glasses on an attractive person. So my prediction for Anne of Cleves? ScarJo with glasses. Her lack of accent probably won't be noticed by the producers.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on April 23, 2007, 10:01:44 AM


 Their version of ugly is basically putting glasses on an attractive person.

Too true - Ugly Betty isn't proper ugly, she's 'TV ugly'.  ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 23, 2007, 01:33:32 PM

Like others, I was anticipating a much more historically accurate recreation of the Tudor dynasty but I am afraid that we are going to have to forego accuracy and just enjoy it for what it is.  I realized this last week when they offered up "Margaret Tudor" when it should have been "Mary Tudor", and married her to the old King of Portugal instead of the old King of France.  They really have manipulated the timeline but I am going to accept it and continue to watch!

This is sort of how I have come to feel. Just take it for what it is. Luckily I had such incredibly low expectations for this show to begin with that it almost turned out to be better than I expected! One thing I am wondering: what made them choose the king of Portugal as "Margaret's" consort, as opposed to some other country? Was it just a random thing, or was there some rhyme or reason behind it? I would love to get into these writers/producers' demented minds and figure these things out (not that it really matters that much...  ::))
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 23, 2007, 01:50:19 PM
HEY, that Winston Churchill looks just like my husband ;D ;D ;D

Lucky girl!  ;)

I wonder just how many years this show will cover. If the second season includes the *gasp spoiler alert* the beheading of Anne Boleyn, season three would include Jane Seymour for at least half that time and then Anne of Cleves. As Anne is supposed to be "the ugly one", how will Hollywood try to play that? Their version of ugly is basically putting glasses on an attractive person. So my prediction for Anne of Cleves? ScarJo with glasses. Her lack of accent probably won't be noticed by the producers.

Also, don't forget that by the time Jane Seymour came around, Henry was a fat middle aged guy with a nasty temper... I wonder what they are going to do about that. Are they going to keep him as JRM, or make JRM look fat and middle aged (like they did with Keith Michell) or bring in another actor altogether? My prediction: if the show lasts this long (and it may), they will keep him looking exactly the same and ignore the fact that most people know (if nothing else) that Henry VIII was a big fat old red haired bearded guy, not a thin buff short young dark haired stud....  ::) 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 23, 2007, 05:24:42 PM
And Queen Victoria in the vid . . . so, so, so funny  :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on April 23, 2007, 05:29:37 PM
I've kind of wondered about that too, Helen. The hawtness of His Majesty will be in steep decline for a LOT of this series if it lasts. The episode that I sorta kinda watched for 45 minutes featured a LOT of Henry and Brandon --- who in the Holbein portrait is distinctly un-hawt --- romping shirtless or in the altogether with nubile young Tudor ladies. If they don't stop that kind of shot by the time we reach, oh, say, Anne of Cleves, our retinas will be destroyed. And I thought Keith Michell had a lot of difficulty pulling off the YOUNG Henry --- this actor will have the opposite problem.

I thought about taking a shot each time they made an historical inaccuracy, the way we did in college whenever anyone said "Hi, Bob" on the old Bob Newhart Show,  but I'd have died of alcohol poisoning in about 20 minutes.

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 23, 2007, 05:31:56 PM
You know, Natalie Dormer may have the long black hair and onyx eyes, but in countenance SHE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE ANNE BOLEYN.
She'd actually do better as Katherine Howard . . .

Portrait of Katherine (web adress): http://www.suite101.com/files/topics/17123/files/howard-crop.jpg

And if you go to sho.com/tudors you can see a picture of Natalie Dormer.
She would do wayyy better as Katherine.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 23, 2007, 05:46:21 PM
I thought about taking a shot each time they made an historical inaccuracy, the way we did in college whenever anyone said "Hi, Bob" on the old Bob Newhart Show,  but I'd have died of alcohol poisoning in about 20 minutes.

LOL

You know, Natalie Dormer may have the long black hair and onyx eyes, but in countenance SHE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE ANNE BOLEYN.

I think her hair is brown and her eyes are blue... but what do I know... One thing I agree with: she looks nothing like Anne Boleyn... not even close ... so her coloring is irrelevant. But you gotta give them credit: at least the producers are consistent with the fact that no one looks like his or her historical counterpart  ::). I am sure that Binky will probably have something profound to add about that...   ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on April 24, 2007, 12:21:25 PM
Why thank you Helen.  But I dont' think I can say much profound about this except that I have always imagined Kathy Bates like Anne of Cleves.  I think it was the hot tub scene in About Schmidt.  I just cannot get the word cleves out of my mind when I think about it.  But her character was not called Anne it was Roberta.  Which is not really German but it does sort of sound that way.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on April 24, 2007, 12:39:10 PM

Like others, I was anticipating a much more historically accurate recreation of the Tudor dynasty but I am afraid that we are going to have to forego accuracy and just enjoy it for what it is.  I realized this last week when they offered up "Margaret Tudor" when it should have been "Mary Tudor", and married her to the old King of Portugal instead of the old King of France.  They really have manipulated the timeline but I am going to accept it and continue to watch!

This is sort of how I have come to feel. Just take it for what it is. Luckily I had such incredibly low expectations for this show to begin with that it almost turned out to be better than I expected!

I could forgive a lot, even major historical inaccuracies on the scale that we've seen with Showtime's The Tudors, if the series were only well-written. After all, the justifiably famous BBC series I, Claudius was based on Robert Graves's novels - which were based on Suetonius's scandal sheets - and not on actual Roman history as cited by most modern historians. Talk about historically inaccurate! And the recent HBO series Rome was also pretty historically inaccurate - but that didn't matter, because like I, Claudius it was cleverly written, with believable characters and interesting character development.

But the screenplay for The Tudors is so badly written that I actually find it incredibly boring. Everything is so darned embarrassing in its amateurishness and predictability - the way the characters speak, the way they interact with each other, their unbelievably superficial psychology. Thomas More in particular gets on my nerves. Could we possibly have more foreshadowing about his future martyrdom, do you think? Every other sentence he utters is to the effect that Henry doesn't really love him, he would have his head off in a trice if it suited him, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Makes me wonder if there might be somethin' romantic goin' on... and I especially love the way that More always refers to his king as "Harry," even to his face, and even in public. Terribly, terribly touching. The real Henry, of course, would have cut off More's head much sooner if he'd ever dared to show such unbelievable presumption.

And what about those Elizabethan costumes for the men? And those bizarre headdresses for the women? What planet did this costume designer come from? At least in I, Claudius and Rome the people in charge did an incredible amount of research in order to make the sets and costumes as accurate as possible. I remember seeing an interview with the costume designers for I, Claudius, who said that they'd actually had to rediscover how the ancient Romans draped their linens into togas in order to achieve the right effect. As they eventually discovered, the linen had to be soaked in water first, in order to give it the suppleness required to assume the form of the human body. And watch that series today - I guarantee it hasn't aged one decade, it still looks as fresh as ever. It's The Tudors that already looks dated - check out Anne Boleyn/Natalie Dormer's carefully styled, layered locks - methinks she just stepped out of a trendy Beverly Hills hair salon.

BTW, did anyone else notice how in the last episode the screenwriters appropriated Henri II of France's accident during a tournament (a lance driven through an open visor, into the eye, which in Henri II's case proved lethal, as Nostradamus had supposedly predicted) in order to put Henry VIII in momentary harm's way? That was so funny. Are we honestly supposed to worry about Henry, when even a kindergartner knows the guy lived to become old and obese, not to mention evil and disgusting?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 24, 2007, 06:01:49 PM
What I'm annoyed about is that it's about Henry and Anne, once (or maybe more than that) more . . . I really want to see Margaret Tudor (Henry's sis) or a Lancaster/York/Plantagenet series, or Katherine of Aragon.
But I don't think that'll ever be possible.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 24, 2007, 06:03:56 PM

You know, Natalie Dormer may have the long black hair and onyx eyes, but in countenance SHE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE ANNE BOLEYN.

I think her hair is brown and her eyes are blue... but what do I know... One thing I agree with: she looks nothing like Anne Boleyn... not even close ... so her coloring is irrelevant. But you gotta give them credit: at least the producers are consistent with the fact that no one looks like his or her historical counterpart  ::). I am sure that Binky will probably have something profound to add about that...   ;)

Her eyes are blue? Oh, then I should be paying attention  ;) but I really do think she'd do better as Anne's cousin. she is actually originally blond (natalie dormer, i mean.)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 24, 2007, 07:16:41 PM
Her eyes are blue?

Yep.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5296/natalie2tj1.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=natalie2tj1.jpg)
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6619/natalietq7.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=natalietq7.jpg)


I really do think she'd do better as Anne's cousin. she is actually originally blond (natalie dormer, i mean.)

Judging by the portraits, she looked nothing like Catherine Howard either...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 24, 2007, 07:23:24 PM
I could forgive a lot, even major historical inaccuracies on the scale that we've seen with Showtime's The Tudors, if the series were only well-written. After all, the justifiably famous BBC series I, Claudius was based on Robert Graves's novels - which were based on Suetonius's scandal sheets - and not on actual Roman history as cited by most modern historians. Talk about historically inaccurate! And the recent HBO series Rome was also pretty historically inaccurate - but that didn't matter, because like I, Claudius it was cleverly written, with believable characters and interesting character development.

Exactly. I think someone asked earlier why is it that some people like ROME, which is historically inaccurate, but hate THE TUDORS, which is too. And this is exactly the point. ROME (and I, CLAUDIUS) is good stuff which happens to be historically inaccurate, while THE TUDORS is complete crap which is historicaly inaccurate to boot.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 25, 2007, 03:33:28 PM
Here is something strange... I haven't seen that weird episode where "Margaret" kills her "husband, the king of Portugal", but on the Showtime "Tudors" website, in the character description, here is what it says about Margaret:


GABRIELLE ANWAR   

Margaret was the elder sister of Henry VIII and spent most of her life embroiled in the complicated political relationship between England and Scotland. She married James IV of Scotland, who died at the Battle of Flodden Field whereupon she became regent to her infant son, James V (who would become the father of Mary, Queen of Scots). However, when she embarked upon her second marriage, to Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus, the regency was removed from her and she fled to England. Within a few years she became estranged from her husband and was divorced and soon after married Henry Stuart, later Lord Methven. She tried to arrange a meeting between her son James V and her brother Henry VIII but this only led to James accusing her of betrayal; he also refused to let her divorce Methven. She died of a severe stroke in 1541.


All this is historically correct. No mention of the "king of Portugal" or Charles Brandon... Did the writers/producers get confused? Or did they not see the website? Weird  ???   http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/characters.do

BTW, apparently there is a companion book to the Showtime series...  ::) http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=534063



Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Christopher on April 25, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
I'm afraid this series demonstrates a recent trend toward what my history professor friend refers to as "happy history," presenting historical events more "palatably" for the robotic masses. 

I just wish they had been more accurate, the producers could easily have done that and produced the same style of show.  The "Princess Margaret" story line REALLY unnerved me, as did "Princess Marguerite of Navarre."

The stories from history I've loved for so many years have been twisted into fantasy, and if we watch it that is what we have to accept it as--extremely decadent eye candy that one would rarely allow oneself.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 26, 2007, 08:44:24 PM
Here is something strange... I haven't seen that weird episode where "Margaret" kills her "husband, the king of Portugal", but on the Showtime "Tudors" website, in the character description, here is what it says about Margaret:


GABRIELLE ANWAR   

Margaret was the elder sister of Henry VIII and spent most of her life embroiled in the complicated political relationship between England and Scotland. She married James IV of Scotland, who died at the Battle of Flodden Field whereupon she became regent to her infant son, James V (who would become the father of Mary, Queen of Scots). However, when she embarked upon her second marriage, to Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus, the regency was removed from her and she fled to England. Within a few years she became estranged from her husband and was divorced and soon after married Henry Stuart, later Lord Methven. She tried to arrange a meeting between her son James V and her brother Henry VIII but this only led to James accusing her of betrayal; he also refused to let her divorce Methven. She died of a severe stroke in 1541.


All this is historically correct. No mention of the "king of Portugal" or Charles Brandon... Did the writers/producers get confused? Or did they not see the website? Weird  ???   http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/characters.do

BTW, apparently there is a companion book to the Showtime series...  ::) http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=534063





Yes, I saw that too. All of the character descriptions and all is correct. I'm sure people who don't know the first thing about the Tudors must be immensely confused, poor things  :P but they have all that . . . but one thing i'm VERY angry about is the genealogical table they made of the families. When Katherine of Aragon and Arthur Tudor got married, it says 'not consummated'. I personally think it was consummated, while others disagree, but it's a topic that surrounds controversy and no one knows what happened. For people who aren't interested in history but simply interested in JRM then that can really confuse them and say the wrong stuff, if you get what i mean.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Aine on April 28, 2007, 10:12:32 PM
Quote
one thing i'm VERY angry about is the genealogical table they made of the families. When Katherine of Aragon and Arthur Tudor got married, it says 'not consummated'. I personally think it was consummated, while others disagree, but it's a topic that surrounds controversy and no one knows what happened. For people who aren't interested in history but simply interested in JRM then that can really confuse them and say the wrong stuff, if you get what i mean.

You're right, that's quite a galling error – it would be much more appropriate if they put a " ? " after it. The question was certainly the source of a few fundamental events in English history....ignoring it entirely means eliminating the motivation behind them.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 29, 2007, 01:41:53 PM
exactly! but the whole show has got me sorta infuriated . . . especially the people that don't know much about the Tudors. It's just giving them the wrong picture, you know?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: PaulLev on April 30, 2007, 05:57:15 PM
The historical accuracy doesn't matter much to me - The Tudors has a mix of sensual and intellectual (conflict of political ideas) rare on television about history (HBO's Rome would be the other exception).  I'm having a ball reviewing The Tudors on my Infinite Regress (http://paullevinson.blogspot.com) page.  (I also teach and write history - mainly, of technology and media -  and so I know full well that historical narratives published as straightforward nonfiction leave out a lot, compress, and sometimes distort.)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 01, 2007, 01:35:47 PM
I'm not so sure historical accuracy is all that rare on television.  The Elizabeth R series, the new Elizabeth  with Helen Mirren, and The Six Wives of Henry VIII  jump to mind.  Even we Americans can occasionally get it roughly right as was done with the under-appreciated Young Catherine  a few years ago on TBS.  That production was a good example of responding to the needs of compression and distortion to turn a complex set of events into a "televisable" narrative line, while still accurately capturing the nature of the personage portrayed and the central thrust of the events, their causes, and their effects.

Even Rome, while being inaccurate on many points and downright silly when it came to Cleopatra, did a fine job of portraying the tone, color, and scale of ancient Rome at the dawn of the imperial era.  And it presented a very credible recounting of the core story arc -- how Ceasar's overshooting the mark in manipulating the republican tradition of political personality cults cut off his march to the throne and how Augustus, relying on outsized intelligence and guile instead of brute force, eventually stole the march on his rivals to succeed where his great uncle failed.

The real Tudors seem to have contributed little more than a name and what Hollywood calls "a concept" to the production of The Tudors.  This series is so far off the historical track that I honestly wonder whether Henry will actually contrive to have Anne Boleyn judicially murdered in this fractured fairy tale.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 01, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
Also, Elisabeth made a good point earlier. If you are going to make a historically inaccurate film/series/play/whatever, at least try to use a good script and develop the characters properly... Like I, Claudius and Rome. The Tudors does none of that, so I really don't see the point of why they bothered to make it... Of course this is a strictly personal opinion and many people may enjoy it. It just bothers me that many of these viewers will imagine that they now know something about Tudor history and may make real fools out of themselves one day... As it is, Americans in general are unfortunately stereotyped as ignorant in many ways, not least when it comes to European history, they really didn't need to add to that...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 01, 2007, 04:30:35 PM
I can see 'The Tudors' writer(s)' point of view because I was a script writer in a mystery dinner a few years ago and we had to twist it a bit to make it work, you know. But 'The Tudors' has gone too far. (Margaret? Husband? PORTUGAL?)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 01, 2007, 05:05:04 PM
I can see 'The Tudors' writer(s)' point of view because I was a script writer in a mystery dinner a few years ago and we had to twist it a bit to make it work, you know. But 'The Tudors' has gone too far. (Margaret? Husband? PORTUGAL?)

Yeah, but you know, there should be a slight difference in "twisting" when you are writing a mystery dinner script and when you are writing about English history  ;)  ;D  Not to mention the fact that for Henry VIII's life story, there is very little "twisting" needed...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 02, 2007, 11:07:57 AM
My own household just gave up watching The Tudors last Sunday. I can even pinpoint the precise moment when we surrendered the battle: it was early on in the episode, when Charles Brandon told one of his disciples that he and Princess Margaret (!!!) were married, in these precise words and I quote: "She and me are married."

 OH GOD, THE SHAME. THE ABSOLUTE SHAME! For as you see here, it turns out that even Henry VIII's closest friends and courtiers could not speak English properly... Or maybe it's just that American screenwriters can't speak the English language properly... Or (and this is my personal opinion) maybe they wrote this line of the script in bastardized, ungrammatical English on purpose - because they honestly believe their audience is made up of a bunch of idiots who wouldn't understand the proper formulation: "She and I are married."

Yesterday I also saw a snippet of a special Showtime production, "Tudor Stylemania." Showtime has the bright idea that the bizarre fashions exhibited in their series will somehow catch on with the general public and become a new fashion trend. So this show is an embarrassing exercise in near-total ignorance of Tudor fashion on the part of fashionistas in general. While the costume designer for the series (who struck me as a complete ditz) admitted quite frankly that she was more influenced in her designs by Balenciaga than by actual Tudor fashions themselves, the emphasis was nonetheless on how Henry VIII was a "rock star" and all his fellow Tudors were "rock stars" and therefore it's perfectly permissible to be outrageously historically inaccurate as far as the costumes of this drama go.

This attitude is most in evidence in the costumes designed for Henry VIII/Jonathan Rhys-Myers. He is continually shown in a very (un-Henrician) short, almost buzzed haircut, Elizabethan coat and pantalons, not to mention cumbersome thigh-high boots (which are in stark contrast to the flat slippers the real Henry VIII actually wore)... But at least in the case of Rhys-Myers we can confidently state that such costume changes were made not because of any demands of current fashion but solely in the quest to make the dimunitive actor look as tall as the real Henry VIII (who was comfortably over 6 feet).

But IMO, in this quest as in so many others they have utterly failed!

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 02, 2007, 11:28:08 AM
I watch about five minutes a week for the "Oh my God!" factor (ex. "Oh my God, Mary-Margaret did NOT just tell Charles Brandon that she wishes she had stayed Queen of PORTUGAL!"), but this week I also enjoyed the set decor. In one scene or another where Henry the Buff was telling Wolsey the Pretty-Good-Looking-If-You-Know-What-a-Troll-the-REAL-Wolsey-was something or other about foreign policy --- there were pictures thoughtfully placed on the wall of Edward IV and Henry VI. There's a couple that I bet were uncomfortable to hang in the same room.

The whole thing reminded me of Judith Crist's crack about Biblical movies: there was always a scene where He would introduce himself to a disciple as "Jesus . . .Christ (as opposed to Schwartz?)" and then the disciple would give a Significant Look before responding "I am Judas . . .ISCARIOT!"  ::cues the ominous music::
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2007, 12:13:16 PM

Yesterday I also saw a snippet of a special Showtime production, "Tudor Stylemania." Showtime has the bright idea that the bizarre fashions exhibited in their series will somehow catch on with the general public and become a new fashion trend.

LOL. I love it. ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2007, 12:17:07 PM
The historical accuracy doesn't matter much to me - The Tudors has a mix of sensual and intellectual (conflict of political ideas) rare on television about history (HBO's Rome would be the other exception).  I'm having a ball reviewing The Tudors on my Infinite Regress (http://paullevinson.blogspot.com) page.  (I also teach and write history - mainly, of technology and media -  and so I know full well that historical narratives published as straightforward nonfiction leave out a lot, compress, and sometimes distort.)

Excuse me, but do you happen to be one of the writers/producers by any chance?  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 02, 2007, 12:58:08 PM
The historical accuracy doesn't matter much to me - The Tudors has a mix of sensual and intellectual (conflict of political ideas) rare on television about history (HBO's Rome would be the other exception).  I'm having a ball reviewing The Tudors on my Infinite Regress (http://paullevinson.blogspot.com) page.  (I also teach and write history - mainly, of technology and media -  and so I know full well that historical narratives published as straightforward nonfiction leave out a lot, compress, and sometimes distort.)

Excuse me, but do you happen to be one of the writers/producers by any chance?  ;)

Hmmm, I'm wondering the same thing, as a matter of fact. Anyone who's watched this series knows that it has no intellectual content whatsoever. It was designed for nitwits. Only people completely lacking in any knowledge of the English language, literature, and history will find anything even remotely "educational" about this series. In other words, virtually nobody... because contrary to the expectations of the producers of The Tudors, the general population of the US is not made up of nitwits.

I would note here, however, that Simon, myself, and others have already indicated the sole, saving grace of this series - its unintentional humorousness. It really is so stupid that at times it's almost camp, which is to say, entertaining in the sense of being or at least approaching the level of high camp. Nevertheless, I don't think it will ever assume the status of a cult film. It's too self-consciously serious, the precise opposite of being self-consciously camp... In other words, we laugh at the actors, the directors, the script, the sets and costumes and the general, overall stupidity of the production - not with them. A crucial difference!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2007, 02:34:52 PM
... contrary to the expectations of the producers of The Tudors, the general population of the US is not made up of nitwits.

I am wondering... I know that for some demented reason the show is getting good reviews, but how are the ratings? Are the viewers liking it? It is being renewed for next season, so obviously it's not doing too shabbily.

I would note here, however, that Simon, myself, and others have already indicated the sole, saving grace of this series - its unintentional humorousness. It really is so stupid that at times it's almost camp, which is to say, entertaining in the sense of being or at least approaching the level of high camp. Nevertheless, I don't think it will ever assume the status of a cult film. It's too self-consciously serious, the precise opposite of being self-consciously camp... In other words, we laugh at the actors, the directors, the script, the sets and costumes and the general, overall stupidity of the production - not with them. A crucial difference!

I have to agree wholeheartedly with the above. As I mentioned, I only saw the first two (edited at that) episodes, the rest are waiting for me (recorded by a friend who has Showtime). Despite the fact that I know how bad this show is, and knew it all along before it even started, I will still watch it. It is some perverse compulsion, I guess, some weird urge to see exacty how far these people will go... Evidently they are willing to go pretty far. I never had any intention of taking this show seriously, therefore I am not as upset by it as I should be (as upset as I was by Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett for instance), but some things do get on my nerves, in that sort of "what the hell were they thinking" way...  I can't wait to see the rest of the episodes though!  ;)   


Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 02, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
... contrary to the expectations of the producers of The Tudors, the general population of the US is not made up of nitwits.

I am wondering... I know that for some demented reason the show is getting good reviews, but how are the ratings? Are the viewers liking it? It is being renewed for next season, so obviously it's not doing too shabbily.

Hmmm, good reviews? I'm curious, could you cite your sources? As far as I know the producers of The Tudors got a five-season deal with Showtime no matter what, so the fact that the series will continue for another four seasons after this one has nothing to do with the ratings the first season got or is getting... And actually, judging from the link below,  The Tudors has been subject to a lot of well-earned flack from the critics, which is utterly typical for a Showtime dramatic series... compared to HBO, they never get it right. Bad scripts, bad directors, a lot of money thrown at nothing. See this link:

http://televisionary.blogspot.com/2007/03/testosterone-and-tantrums-showtimes.html (http://televisionary.blogspot.com/2007/03/testosterone-and-tantrums-showtimes.html)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
Hmmm, good reviews? I'm curious, could you cite your sources?


About a month ago, I saw something in TV Guide which seeemed like a good review, but I was in so much denial that I refused to see it as such. This is why I asked this question on p. 9:

Is it my imagination, or is The Tudors actually getting decent reviews?  :-\

And got this response:

Yeah the Tudors is getting good reviews.  Someone said "Henry brings sexy back."

So I guess my source is this forum  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 02, 2007, 03:45:18 PM
As far as I know the producers of The Tudors got a five-season deal with Showtime no matter what, so the fact that the series will continue for another four seasons . . . .

Okay . . . time for the casting call:

Bloody Mary . . . Anne Hathaway
The King of Sardinia, whom Mary will marry . . . Hugh Jackman
Edward . . . Ashton Kutcher
Elizabeth . . . Carrot Top
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 02, 2007, 04:24:20 PM
Jessica Simpson for Jane Seymour. The initials are the same.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 02, 2007, 04:41:04 PM
If Hugh Jackman is the King of Sardinia...I will be Mary (swoon) ;D ;D ;D. We will have a daughter and she will be Queen Victoria.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 03, 2007, 08:56:24 AM
Ah . . . a spin-off in the works.

The Victorian Era:  Granny As You Never Knew Her, starring Sharon Stone as the aging Queen and Daniel Craig as John Brown, the Scot who wore kilts for all the right reasons.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 03, 2007, 03:01:22 PM
Lindsay Lohan as Kitty Howard? 

Jennifer Aniston as Kate Parr?

Celine Dion as Anne of Cleves?

 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 03, 2007, 03:20:34 PM
I think Celine as Anne would do.  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 04, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
Apparently Jonathan Rhys Meyers has entered rehab... According to the actor’s publicist:

“After a non-stop succession of filming Jonathan Rhys Meyers has entered an alcohol-treatment program... He felt a break was needed to maintain his recovery.”

Well, I can certainly understand. If I were involved with that show, I would enter rehab too...  Maybe we should also recast Henry VIII while we're at it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Binky on May 04, 2007, 03:32:59 PM
I heared the studio used to make Judy Garland take drugs to be all full of energy and then more drugs to get enough sleep at night.  Maybe they were making Jonathan drink a lot of beer or stuff so that he would start looking like Henry for the next season with a beer belly and a bunch of popped veins in his cheeks.  I'm glad he went into rehab so they coulnt' do that to him, because its not his fault he doesn't look or act like Henry or get fat and ugly by himself.  And he can make other movies after this if he doestn't let them make him all drunk and sloppy looking.  I guess he could make movies if he got fat because Marlin Brando and Alex Baldwin did but not so many people would watch him because he's not that good of a actor.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 04, 2007, 03:35:31 PM
Great idea: Alec Baldwin = Henry VIII.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 04, 2007, 04:36:56 PM
Maybe we should also recast Henry VIII while we're at it.

O Keith Michell of the old BBC series The Six Wives of Henry VIII, wherefore art thou?

I admit to incredible nostalgia where dear, dear Keith is concerned. As the young Henry VIII he managed to combine extreme sexiness with equally extreme menace. Kind of a Tudor Heathcliff, without the gnashing of teeth. So it should come as no surprise that, as it happens, during his acting career Keith Michell also played Heathcliff, according to his biography in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Michell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Michell)

I have the BBC series of Henry VIII on DVD. While the colors have faded with time (and it beats me why the BBC didn't bother with some film restoration techniques here), the acting certainly has not. To my mind, the best - or at least the most memorable - episodes are still those of Anne Boleyn and Anne of Cleves. But all of them are outstanding. Seriously, all you Tudor maniacs out there, get this series on DVD and forget about Showtime. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. (Among the many excellent performances is that of the actor cast as the Duke of Norfolk - I only wish I could remember his name - weirdly enough he does in fact look exactly like the famous portrait of the Duke of Norfolk by Hans Holbein. But this only goes to show you how much trouble the BBC took in those days to be as historically accurate as humanly possible in a dramatic series.)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 04, 2007, 04:48:08 PM
I'll second that Elisabeth. And treat yourselves to a double bill whilst you are at it and pick up a copy of Elizabeth R with Glenda Jackson. Then you can all see how it SHOULD be done ;) ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 04, 2007, 04:54:18 PM
Among the many excellent performances is that of the actor cast as the Duke of Norfolk - I only wish I could remember his name . . . .

Patrick Troughton . . . best known for playing Dr. Who.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 04, 2007, 05:03:06 PM
Among the many excellent performances is that of the actor cast as the Duke of Norfolk - I only wish I could remember his name . . . .

Patrick Troughton . . . best known for playing Dr. Who.

Amazing! I'm sure I've seen him as Dr. Who and didn't even recognize him! These superb English character actors... But IMO Troughton's most memorable role is still as Henry VIII's Thomas, Duke of Norfolk. And yet that part is barely, if at all, mentioned in his Wikipedia vita. It just goes to show you... performances like his in The Six Wives of Henry VIII were par for the course in BBC dramatic series back in the 1970s. There seems to have been a certain standard of excellence, which has never since been equalled, or perhaps even approached.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 04, 2007, 05:13:52 PM
Right you are.  As much as I admire Judy Dench and Helen Mirren, I am rather sorry to see the superstar cult start to embrace British thespians.  Once it happens, it becomes an impediment to their ability to lose themselves in the role, at least from the viewer's perspective.  As much as I respect Glenda Jackson's turn as Elizabeth I, even then I could never quite forget I was watching Glenda Jackson  play Elizabeth.

To me, Helen Mirren was able to lose herself in the roles of both Elizabeths . . . but I have an uneasy feeling it will be the last time she will be able to pull this off.  I thought Notes on a Scandal  was a fine movie, but I also found myself occasionally wondering if Dame Judy was really that crazy.

One of the great strengths of British productions has been the deep pool of superb talent that was not over-exposed to draw upon. 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 07, 2007, 03:01:19 PM
I could never quite forget I was watching Glenda Jackson  play Elizabeth.


I could  :).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 07, 2007, 03:11:44 PM
Perhaps you did not catch her in The Music Lovers  the year before?   ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 07, 2007, 03:12:56 PM

 To my mind, the best - or at least the most memorable - episodes are still those of Anne Boleyn

One reason why I've always regretted that the episode on Anne Boleyn does not really cover Anne's story before 1535/36. 


 (Among the many excellent performances is that of the actor cast as the Duke of Norfolk - I only wish I could remember his name - weirdly enough he does in fact look exactly like the famous portrait of the Duke of Norfolk by Hans Holbein.

Absolutely!!! Patrick Troughton is the Duke of Norfolk. Not surprising then he already played the character in A Man for All Seasons  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 07, 2007, 03:42:08 PM
Absolutely!!! Patrick Troughton is the Duke of Norfolk. Not surprising then he already played the character in A Man for All Seasons  ;)

Now there's  a historical drama on Tudor court life that is worthy of the name.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 07, 2007, 03:48:43 PM
Oh dear, I found that dreadfully boring. But then, we HAD to watch it for school, many (many) years ago....along with "Cromwell" :P :P
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 07, 2007, 03:55:59 PM
Oh, then it's time to give it another go.  Robert Shaw's portrayal of Henry's ability to oscillate between conscientious man of faith and amoral cynic and between charmer and monster was quite remarkable.  And Paul Scofield was  Thomas More.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 07, 2007, 04:03:27 PM
I know, I know. Now I am a mature (young )woman, I m sure I would enjoy it and I adore the late, great Robert Shaw, especially in "Jaws"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 07, 2007, 04:16:37 PM
Perhaps you did not catch her in The Music Lovers  the year before?   ;D

Oh, yes, I've seen her in this. Why?  :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 07, 2007, 04:23:28 PM
Oh dear, I found that dreadfully boring. But then, we HAD to watch it for school, many (many) years ago....along with "Cromwell" :P :P

Boring??????  :o

It's one of my favourite films although of course it is more about More the saint than More the man. But acting, script, sets, atmosphere, costumes, everything is really so brilliant. It surely deserved all its academy awards!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 07, 2007, 04:55:35 PM
Oh, yes, I've seen her in this. Why?  :D

Well, I'm getting out of line here . . . but there was this scene on the floor of a moving railroad car.   8)

Not to mention her nude scene in Women in Love.  Of course, Helen Mirren did Calendar Girls.

In fact, except for Judi Dench, I cannot think of any major actress since Bette Davis who has played Elizabeth without having first taken her clothes off in other fare.  (Of course there was nudity in Mrs. Henderson Presents,  but there we got Bob Hoskins instead of Judi Dench in the buff.)

I don't know what any of this means.  Just thinking out loud here.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on May 08, 2007, 04:13:56 AM
Giving a fast gaze at the promos, I had an odd moment when I thought that Blackadder and Lord Flasheart where bound to appear ;D

I'm a wicked man, I know... Can't help... ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 08, 2007, 02:28:18 PM


Not to mention her nude scene in Women in Love.  Of course, Helen Mirren did Calendar Girls.


Helen Mirren took her clothes off in other films before that  :D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
I could never quite forget I was watching Glenda Jackson  play Elizabeth.


I could  :).

Ditto...

It's interesting that both Keith Michell and Glenda Jackson repeated their respective roles as Henry and Elizabeth in BBC series after playing the same roles in feature films. Michell in Henry VIII and His Six Wives (as well as one of the numerous Prince and the Pauper versions, I believe) and Jackson in Mary Queen of Scots...

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 08, 2007, 03:56:23 PM
. . . Jackson in Mary Queen of Scots . . .

I had forgotten about that movie until you mentioned it.  And, yes, Glenda Jackson turned in her usual superb performance.  In fact, that movie is a good example of how bad history can still be sophisticated entertainment in the hands of competent writers and directors.  By bad history I'm referring to the two scenes where Elizabeth and Mary met . . . meetings which, of course, never actually happened.  On the second occurrence, I found myself wanting Mary to blurt out something such as, "Bess, can't you ever drop by when I'm not either in prison or on the way there?"  But then Elizabeth/Glenda delivered such a moving speech about Mary's ruling with her heart instead of her head that I put the snippishness behind me. 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2007, 05:14:08 PM
... the two scenes where Elizabeth and Mary met . . . meetings which, of course, never actually happened. 

Which of course was also the case in the Mirren version... Do I remember correctly that Elizabeth and Mary met on the sly there too, didn't they? That was one of the things that bothered me about that film, but yes, that would be an example of how including a piece of "bad history" can still produce quality film in the end...  which of course The Tudors completely fails to do...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 08, 2007, 05:29:20 PM
I don't remember Mirren/Elizabeth meeting Mary, but she must have if you remember it.  I get all these queens meeting queens mixed up after a while.

Dammit . . . now I've got to watch it for the third time to figure out why I forgot the scene.  Oh, well.  It's worth a third go.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2007, 05:33:22 PM
I don't remember Mirren/Elizabeth meeting Mary, but she must have if you remember it.  I get all these queens meeting queens mixed up after a while.

Dammit . . . now I've got to watch it for the third time to figure out why I forgot the scene.  Oh, well.  It's worth a third go.

I'm pretty sure it happened, unless it was in some other recent Elizabeth version... I get them mixed up too! I think that Mirren/Elizabeth sneaked in secretly and met Mary (who was kind of homely and overweight) inside some room (not in the woods? like in Mary Queen of Scots), and no one else knew about it... Does anyone else remember?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
I guess I remembered correctly. I just did a google search and found an interview with Helen Mirren, where she mentions the MQS meeting...

http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/interviews/


Helen Mirren: I find that historical detail is so much more interesting than anything we can invent nowadays. I mean, they lived life on such an extreme level. My only sadness was that we couldn't get more historical detail into it, because you could really start investigating the extraordinary nature of their lives. For us the historical detail was very important. We come from a country that wants to pay attention in general to those things, and if there are a couple of things that we got deliberately wrong historically that was a very deliberate, and very thought about and argued over issue.

Like the issue of Elizabeth meeting Mary Queen of Scots which it's ninety-nine point nine percent she didn't. If she did, she did it in incredibly secrecy, which is what we sort of intimate. But it's very unlikely that she ever met Mary Queen of Scots face to face. But they had a very protracted correspondence with each other. So, to dramatize that Nigel felt that you had to actually see it. But everything else, the historical detail is pretty accurate.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 08, 2007, 05:48:32 PM
That does ring a bell . . . .

And now I've got to figure out whether to press ahead with episode 6 of The Tudors  tonight or whether to rewatch Mirren to see why I blanked on this.

I had to quit watching The Tudors  for a while, just to get over my irritation at all the butchering of the story line.  So I went to VOD last night to pick back up with episode 5, and guess what . . . I ran smack into that incredibly moronic line that sent Elisabeth over the edge on this series, when Brandon said, "she and me got married."  I was just waiting to see him dribble beer down his chin and belch.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2007, 05:54:14 PM
I finally got the videotapes a friend of mine recorded for me of all the episodes so far, so I will soon be watching them back to back to get the full continuous effect ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 08, 2007, 11:56:34 PM
Keep a bottle of Advil handy. You'll need it. ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 09, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
Keep a bottle of Advil handy. You'll need it. ;)

I have a feeling I may need something a little stronger than that  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 09, 2007, 03:05:39 PM
I don't remember Mirren/Elizabeth meeting Mary, but she must have if you remember it.  I get all these queens meeting queens mixed up after a while.

Dammit . . . now I've got to watch it for the third time to figure out why I forgot the scene.  Oh, well.  It's worth a third go.

I'm pretty sure it happened, unless it was in some other recent Elizabeth version... I get them mixed up too! I think that Mirren/Elizabeth sneaked in secretly and met Mary (who was kind of homely and overweight) inside some room (not in the woods? like in Mary Queen of Scots), and no one else knew about it... Does anyone else remember?

Yes, it's as you describe it. This was actually one of the few  scenes I didn't like about the film. Not only because of its inaccuracy but also because I think at that time it didn't make any sense from Elizabeth's point of view. Accordingly I thought Elizabeth's performance during this was a bit pathetic. She had nothing substantial to offer Mary apart from ongoing imprisonment instead of execution if the latter refrained from her plotting.   

It's so annoying  every film  dealing with the subject of Elizabeth and Mary, with the exception of Elizabeth R of course, must come up with some such meeting. So I fear also the forthcoming Golden Age and the film to be made with Scarlett Johansson as Mary will gratify us with such a scene.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 09, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
I'm pretty sure it happened, unless it was in some other recent Elizabeth version... I get them mixed up too! I think that Mirren/Elizabeth sneaked in secretly and met Mary (who was kind of homely and overweight) inside some room (not in the woods? like in Mary Queen of Scots), and no one else knew about it... Does anyone else remember?

Yes, it's as you describe it. This was actually one of the few  scenes I didn't like about the film. Not only because of its inaccuracy but also because I think at that time it didn't make any sense from Elizabeth's point of view. Accordingly I thought Elizabeth's performance during this was a bit pathetic. She had nothing substantial to offer Mary apart from ongoing imprisonment instead of execution if the latter refrained from her plotting.   It's so annoying  every film  dealing with the subject of Elizabeth and Mary, with the exception of Elizabeth R of course, must come up with some such meeting.

Yes, for some reason most of them insist on doing that... I am not really sure why - for drama? But once I see that, it's very difficult for me to take the rest of it seriously, and that was one of the problems I had with the Mirren film script (there were some other reasons too)... But at least Mirren sort of saved it with her performance.

One recent version that DIDN'T do it, was the Virgin Queen with Ann Marie Duff. I know a lot of people didn't like that one, but IMO it's underrated... Duff is no Mirren of course, but IMO she wasn't bad. I liked that they showed her as completely deglamorized as old Elizabeth, missing teeth and receding hair and all - just the way she must have looked in old age... And they didn't improvise the story as much as some of the others. And I liked the soundtrack  :).

So I fear also the forthcoming Golden Age and the film to be made with Scarlett Johansson as Mary will gratify us with such a scene.

I don't have very high hopes for that one, I'm afraid. Something along the lines of The Tudors, I think... I hope I am wrong, but so far I have been right, alas  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 09, 2007, 03:59:51 PM
The meeting between Elizabeth and Mary is as old as dramatized versions of it, from Schiller right up until Maxwell Andersen on stage. I kind of understand --- how could you not bring them together in Act III if you have the chance to write it?

I liked the soundtrack for the Duff version too, but the acting suffered by comparison with Mirren's (most acting does, of course). If I want over-the-top Elizabeth, bring on Bette Davis. If I want a sense of what I assume she was really like, hello Glenda.

If The Tudors gets around to her, I am curious. I assume that Lindsay Lohan will play the Princess Elisabeth?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on May 09, 2007, 04:28:05 PM

One recent version that DIDN'T do it, was the Virgin Queen with Ann Marie Duff. I know a lot of people didn't like that one, but IMO it's underrated... Duff is no Mirren of course, but IMO she wasn't bad. I liked that they showed her as completely deglamorized as old Elizabeth, missing teeth and receding hair and all - just the way she must have looked in old age... And they didn't improvise the story as much as some of the others. And I liked the soundtrack  :).


Oh, yes, I forgot the Duff-version. Must have been because I hated it so much, everything about it actually including the soundtrack  :P. I had the impression they really overdid it regarding her looks in old age. She looked like a freak. Elizabeth R caught it much better in my opinion.
 But it's the wrong thread for this. We already discussed it in the other thread(s).  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Elisabeth on May 09, 2007, 08:19:39 PM
Sorry to spoil all the fun, but getting back to the original topic... the Showtime producers and director(s) of The Tudors keep going on and on about how Henry VIII and his buddies were the "rock stars" of the sixteenth century. So I'm thinking... Jonathan Rhys-Myers isn't exactly a rock star (I know he made a good Elvis Presley in some made-for-cable movie, but excuse me for saying so, Elvis just ain't the one and only original Henry "The Eighth" Tudor). So yes, to repeat myself, I am thinking...why not cast a real rock star in the role?

Say... and please don't kill me for this... Robert Plant in his prime. You know, that six feet tall blond bombshell, prancing around in his peasant blouses, getting his led out... IMHO he'd make a much dreamier, more depraved, and more convincing doomsday king than poor old shrimpy skimpy Jonathan. Remember Led Zep, they were always singing about Gollum and Evermore, they practically own Renaissance England as far as rock and roll goes... And you could even age him appropriately as the series went along. Of course you'd have to add excess poundage, too, because dear old Robert has in fact aged quite well, in contrast to the real Henry... but *sigh*,  I still don't think it's a bad idea, correct me if I'm wrong...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on May 10, 2007, 03:29:16 AM
Jonathan played some kind of glam rock start a là Bowie in his begginings. Does it help? ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 11, 2007, 08:36:42 AM
Newest dumb line, from Episode 7 . . .

Thomas Tallis, while composing a rueful tune to mourn the passing of his gay lover, is approached by two nubile young girls -- sisters, no less.  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels.  Her tittering response?  "You're weird."

Well, actually he is.  But it certainly did not strike me as an authentic Tudoresque means of expressing the thought.

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 11, 2007, 08:59:30 AM
I haven't seen episode 7 yet, but had a marathon viewing of all of them up until 6 in the last couple of days...

A few random comments/questions:

- The Mary/Margaret storyline is very puzzling... what is the point of all that?

- The actress who plays Catherine of Aragon looks a lot more like Anne Boleyn than the one who plays Anne Boleyn... (just sayin'...)

- It's nice that they decided to include the gay romance theme, but what exactly is the point? Was Will Compton (I think that's him, right?) actually gay or is this just for fun (sort of like the Mary/Margaret storyline)?

- Despite the awfulness of it all, I must admit that it's kind of fun to watch, in a demented way of course - if nothing else - to see what they will come up with next...  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 11, 2007, 09:28:01 AM
Newest dumb line, from Episode 7 . . .

Thomas Tallis, while composing a rueful tune to mourn the passing of his gay lover, is approached by two nubile young girls -- sisters, no less.  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels.  Her tittering response?  "You're weird."

Well, actually he is.  But it certainly did not strike me as an authentic Tudoresque means of expressing the thought.



"Thou art one weird varlet, dude."

Better?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 11, 2007, 09:34:35 AM
Amy?  Amy Heckerling . . . is that you?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on May 11, 2007, 11:38:42 AM
  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels. 


As you do.  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 11, 2007, 03:02:43 PM
  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels. 


As you do.  ::)
???


Well, can't wait to see episode 7, and whatever else they have in store for us  8).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on May 11, 2007, 03:42:52 PM
  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels. 


As you do.  ::)
???


Well, can't wait to see episode 7, and whatever else they have in store for us  8).

Sorry, maybe 'as you do' is only an Irish expression. ;D It means 'as many people do' or 'as is typical' in a sarcastic way. Like, a man who just lost his male lover suddenly starts trying it on with girls?  ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 11, 2007, 04:40:33 PM
Newest dumb line, from Episode 7 . . .

Thomas Tallis, while composing a rueful tune to mourn the passing of his gay lover, is approached by two nubile young girls -- sisters, no less.  Tallis suddenly decides to go straight and makes a clumsy pass at one of the damsels.  Her tittering response?  "You're weird."

Well, actually he is.  But it certainly did not strike me as an authentic Tudoresque means of expressing the thought.



OMG. in episode #1 or maybe #2 Jonathan Ryhs-Meyers said GIRLFRIEND. I can understand they're trying to make it a bit more modern, but they've got to stay historically accurate as well! and SHE AND ME . . . I'm TRYING not to fall off my seat but it ain't working.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 11, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
You know the thing how they twisted it so much and destroyed all the historical accuracy is really disappointing. I mean, the clothes and costume is obviously done by the experts, the acting is fabulous, and the show really would be perfect if they didn't twist it so much. The actors may not look exactly like the real people, but it looks like they've done their best. You know, I maybe wouldn't have even minded it if they changed the language, but on top of all of that is how almost everything isn't historically accurate. I'm sad  :-[
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 12, 2007, 08:12:52 AM
The actors may not look exactly like the real people, but it looks like they've done their best.

IMO, they went out of their way to choose actors who looked the LEAST like the characters they were supposed to play. I think it was all done for a laugh.


I maybe wouldn't have even minded it if they changed the language, but on top of all of that is how almost everything isn't historically accurate. I'm sad  :-[

I am not sad at all. I actually think this is all kind of amusing.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on May 12, 2007, 09:25:19 AM
Call me a pessimitic person, but I bet that, had they made the actors to talk a bit like the 16th century, nobody -but you and me, perhaps- would understand them. Or, perhaps, would take care of trying to understand them.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 12, 2007, 09:33:51 AM
But maybe they could have done it a bit more like BBC with Six Wives and Elizabeth R... Everyone would have understood them just fine... They could have made Henry have red hair and some height... They could have restrained themselves a little with the silly subplots... Oh, maybe I'm just too darn picky...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on May 12, 2007, 01:26:41 PM
But maybe they could have done it a bit more like BBC with Six Wives and Elizabeth R... Everyone would have understood them just fine... They could have made Henry have red hair and some height... They could have restrained themselves a little with the silly subplots... Oh, maybe I'm just too darn picky...

Yes... I'm just beginning to wonder if they just wanted to do something a là Marie-Antoniette... some kind of pop-start king, queen and so on...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 12, 2007, 02:59:22 PM
It seems to be some sort of a trend... I shudder to imagine what "The Other Boleyn Girl" with Scarlett Johanson is going to be like... The good news is when you don't expect much it's always at least a little better than you expect   ;D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 12, 2007, 03:51:10 PM
The actors may not look exactly like the real people, but it looks like they've done their best.

IMO, they went out of their way to choose actors who looked the LEAST like the characters they were supposed to play. I think it was all done for a laugh.


I maybe wouldn't have even minded it if they changed the language, but on top of all of that is how almost everything isn't historically accurate. I'm sad  :-[

I am not sad at all. I actually think this is all kind of amusing.


well . . . ok . . . it is a bit amusing... i still laugh at 'she and me' and 'you're weird', so yeah. But I just wish someone would make the perfect historically accurate Tudor show.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 12, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
It seems to be some sort of a trend... I shudder to imagine what "The Other Boleyn Girl" with Scarlett Johanson is going to be like...

Natalie Portman's also in it. Wonder what's going to happen . . . ???
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 12, 2007, 04:18:00 PM


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Faithwhiterose
well . . . ok . . . it is a bit amusing... i still laugh at 'she and me' and 'you're weird', so yeah. But I just wish someone would make the perfect historically accurate Tudor show.
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But they HAVE.... the BBC's production of Elizabeth R (Glenda Jackson) and The Six Wives of Henry VIII.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: koloagirl on May 14, 2007, 02:32:08 PM
 ;D

This show just gets more and more of a hoot!   ;D

Did anyone else notice that when Anne Boleyn was comforting her sick servant, she first said something like "pray thee don't be so afraid" -- and then in almost the next sentence she said "it's going to be OK"!!!     ::) :-X

OK!!  Too funny for words (or because of!).

Anyone else fall off their seat laughing at buff Henry in his Calvin Klein black royal briefs doing push ups and running in place?
Other than the eye candy factor (and after all isn't that what this whole program is about?) it was hysterical!

I wonder if this mess is getting good reviews over the Pond in the U.K.?

 :D ::) :-X ;)

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on May 14, 2007, 03:10:46 PM
The problem is....we don't get this programme across the pond :( ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 14, 2007, 04:00:55 PM
The problem is....we don't get this programme across the pond :( ;D

In a sense, you may be the lucky ones... Although I must admit, as I already mentioned, I am having lots of fun with this   :D.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 14, 2007, 09:27:20 PM
Lucky, indeed.  I think British heads would explode if they were fed this version of their most interesting monarchs.  Or, more benignly, they might confuse it with an American attempt not to portray history, but to emulate Black Adder.  We should count ourselves fortunate if that happened.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 15, 2007, 01:44:07 PM
I thought some might enjoy The New York Times  review of The Tudors -- http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/arts/television/30tudo.html?ex=1332907200&en=00c0ee1be0be477d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss -- aptly entitled, "Renaissance Romping with Henry and His Rat Pack".  Cute.

A sample of its pithy observations:

"Yet somehow one young woman, a commoner [Anne Boleyn], managed to keep Henry ensorcelled for more than seven years, perhaps the most effective use of the 'just say no' strategy in history."

"When the camera follows the young king and his rat pack of randy, rambunctious courtiers, 'The Tudors' is a captivating romp, 'Ocean's Eleven' in ruffs and doublets."

Fun.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 15, 2007, 05:41:07 PM
Ok... now they went from "rock stars" to "(b)rat pack"...  What next? Fun indeed...  ;D  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 16, 2007, 06:13:24 PM
I don't think they really care about the historical accuracy. they got Lindsay Lohan saying that the show looked really 'great' and America Fererra also attended the premiere . . . JRM said: "I defy all viewers who think the show isn't good, because I think it will do really well."
or something like that.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 17, 2007, 10:08:33 AM
IJRM said: "I defy all viewers who think the show isn't good, because I think it will do really well."
or something like that.

I think that some people get confused about the fact that just because something does well with the viewers, it doesn't automatically mean that it's good, and vice versa...

BTW, is The Tudors doing well? I still can't tell.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 17, 2007, 11:15:38 AM
BTW, is The Tudors doing well? I still can't tell.

It opened "strong" (whatever that means, since there is no reliable Nielsen data) for the first episode and then dropped somewhat in the second and succeeding episodes.  However, Showtime has ordered a second season with an unspecified number of episodes.

While I was looking for this, though, I found another snippet that might interest some folks:  http://sev.prnewswire.com/art/20070515/CLTU09215052007-1.html

This describes the kitchens at Hampton Court Palace, which have been restored and equipped to their Tudor-era function and are the only suriving fully-operational Renaissance-era kitchens in Europe -- 36,000 square feet (almost 3,500 square meters), comprising 55 rooms!

No wonder Henry got so fat.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 17, 2007, 11:31:24 AM
This describes the kitchens at Hampton Court Palace, which have been restored and equipped to their Tudor-era function and are the only suriving fully-operational Renaissance-era kitchens in Europe -- 36,000 square feet (almost 3,500 square meters), comprising 55 rooms!

I saw these kitchens when I visited Hampton Court two years ago, they're a huge and pretty complicated affair! I can honestly say I had never seen anything like it before.

No wonder Henry got so fat.

I'll bet you won't be seeing him getting fat in this series  ;). All those push-ups in his tidy whities or Calvins or whatever...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 17, 2007, 11:44:41 AM
BTW, is The Tudors doing well? I still can't tell.

It opened "strong" (whatever that means, since there is no reliable Nielsen data) for the first episode and then dropped somewhat in the second and succeeding episodes.  However, Showtime has ordered a second season with an unspecified number of episodes.

I am not sure if that means anything, I read somewhere that they had a contract for three seasons no matter what happened with the ratings... I could be wrong about that though...  Rome started out really "strong" too, but then trickled down to nothing and was finally cancelled...  And Rome was so much better made. I have a feeling that this is the fate which awaits this show too, unless I am overestimating the public's tastes again....

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 17, 2007, 11:50:09 AM
Speaking of viewer ratings, I just found this site where the viewers rate the show.... It seems that most comments are: "Superb" and "Great". I guess I am overestimating the viewer's taste...  ::)

http://www.tv.com/the-tudors/show/69029/reviews.html
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 17, 2007, 11:58:44 AM
All those push-ups in his tidy whities or Calvins or whatever...

Yeah, we cracked up when we saw the push-up scene.  That pair of exercise bloomers looked like something from a Mad TV  skit lampooning Abercrombie & Fitch.  Good thing Will Compton was already in his grave and Thomas Tallis had turned to women by then, or things could have gotten seriously out of hand.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 17, 2007, 11:59:24 AM
It's easy to overestimate people's capacities for content. If I do a dumb musical? I get big crowds. An effective drama? Small crowds. I just directed a play about the bubonic plague in London --- people thought it was "depressing". Um . . . how many laughs do they seriously think can be mined from the bubonic freaking plague?

Remember, more people watch the Jerry Springer show than PBS. Spiderman 3, which is beautiful but dumb (as Dorothy Parker once described Switzerland) is the biggest movie on the planet this week. But not for long --- here comes Depp and the piratical gang.

To put it bluntly, crap sells.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 17, 2007, 12:03:58 PM
True . . . we're at page 17 on this thread.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 17, 2007, 07:05:17 PM
;D

This show just gets more and more of a hoot!   ;D

Did anyone else notice that when Anne Boleyn was comforting her sick servant, she first said something like "pray thee don't be so afraid" -- and then in almost the next sentence she said "it's going to be OK"!!!     ::) :-X

OK!!  Too funny for words (or because of!).



the guy who wrote the script is a colossal loser  >:(  ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 30, 2007, 09:41:44 AM
Uh . . . could anyone  explain to me the point of the Thomas Tallis interludes in episodes 8 & 9 with the ghost of the dead sister floating around?  Are they simply filling up time because the scripting of Wolsey's fall is simply too difficult for the writers to flesh out?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 30, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Uh . . . could anyone  explain to me the point of the Thomas Tallis interludes in episodes 8 & 9 with the ghost of the dead sister floating around? 

How can anyone explain any of the points in this show? Just sit back and enjoy  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on May 30, 2007, 02:38:32 PM
When I watch the scripting, acting, and costuming of the scenes centered on Catherine of Aragon I get the impression that she periodically wanders over from another set where someone is filming a real historio-drama of Henry's reign, and they just politely let her get out a few lines before they turn the cameras back on the brawls, foibles, and sexcapades of the Tudor Brat Pack.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: lexi4 on May 30, 2007, 07:44:34 PM
Hi Tsarfan!
That is the funniest thing I have read about the series.  ;D 
I thought the scene with Margaret in bed with the King of Portugal was a scream and second only to the push-up scene.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 31, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
Really . . . it's so hillarious how us, Tudor historians, are making fun of this show.  :D I wonder what JRM's reaction would be.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 01, 2007, 03:08:40 PM
I wonder what JRM's reaction would be.

Who cares?   :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 01, 2007, 11:43:23 PM
He would smile enigmatically and then cash his check.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 02, 2007, 10:09:17 AM
lol  :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 04, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
I hate to "ruin" it for everyone, but apparently the opening scene of the season finale features King Henry pleasuring himself. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 04, 2007, 04:49:02 PM
I hate to "ruin" it for everyone, but apparently the opening scene of the season finale features King Henry pleasuring himself. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does!

On the contrary, I never for one minute thought it couldn't get any worse...   ;D ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on June 05, 2007, 09:19:08 AM
Actually, it was one of the most idiotic scenes in television history.  Sex in film does not offend me in the least when it has some connection to a theme or story line.  But here it was devoid of logic, purpose, and even of credibility.  Exactly why would even a king need a cadre of servants present for such an activity?  And what was the point?  That Henry was so hot for the unattainable Mistress Anne that a little self-relief in front of the household staff was in order?  And the size of that bowl.  Jeez.

I did rather like the burning of Mr. Fish at the stake by Thomas More, however.  It really brought home what it took to become a saint in the 20th century.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 05, 2007, 09:57:05 AM
::dies:: The size of the "bowl", eh?

What they need are 16th century paparazzi-types. I think a swarm of people sketching like mad following the Tudors around. And then maybe the chief one, let's call him Holbein, could get so close to Henry VIII on horseback while he is attempting to draw him that he causes Henry to lose control of his horse and crash.

By the way, if that shows up next season, I totally want a royalty check.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on June 05, 2007, 10:53:35 AM
Well, as Thomas Tallis says in one of his memorably-scripted lines, "yeah".
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 05, 2007, 11:46:38 AM
Or as one of the ladies at court said to Tallis: "you're weird". But everyone here is weird in a good way, which works.  ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 05, 2007, 03:28:44 PM
And the size of that bowl. 

They actually had a bowl? That's great!  I love those writers/producers.  ;D

And what was the point? 

To demonstrate how virile Henry/JRM is  ???. I don't know... What is the point of anything on that show? Obviously you don't have to have a point to have a show.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 05, 2007, 05:21:31 PM
By the way, if that shows up next season, I totally want a royalty check.

And then you too can smile enigmatically while you cash your check...   8)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 06, 2007, 12:03:21 AM
Trust me, there will be nothing "enigmatic" about the smile on my face whilst I cash my check.

Wolsey offed himself, huh? Okay. Five bucks says that they rewrite history so that Anne Boleyn shoots her way out of the Tower with a semi-automatic, scoops up the baby Elizabeth and takes it on the lam. Or . . . or . . . ohhhhhhhhhh, yeah. On their wedding night, Henry VIII finds out the truth about Anne of Cleves and why she was so fugly.

It's a man, baby.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 06, 2007, 03:16:36 AM
Apparently Peter O'Toole will be playing Pope Paul III in 7 episodes next season. The important question is: just what are the producers using to blackmail him with to get him on that show?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 06, 2007, 07:58:42 AM
Maybe Peter O'Toole should playing Anne of Cleves instead...  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 08, 2007, 11:56:53 AM
Well, as Thomas Tallis says in one of his memorably-scripted lines, "yeah".

really . . . whoever wrote the script is one of the most titantic losers in the whole wide world.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: grandduchessella on June 18, 2007, 10:32:32 PM
Photos from the Ireland set of Season 2:

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/06/tudors-season-2/jonathan-rhys-meyers-henry-cavill-01.jpg)

(http://buzznet-00.vo.llnwd.net/media/jj1/2007/06/tudors-season-2/jonathan-rhys-meyers-meyers-tudors-season-2.jpg)

"Season Two begins with Henry and Catherine still not quite divorced, and the nation in upheaval. Multiple Oscar nominee Peter O’Toole, 74, recently joined the cast as Pope Paul III. “We’ve already written season two,” Showtime entertainment chief Robert Greenblatt says. “And it really is the marriage of Anne and Henry, which doesn’t happen until Episode Three. But then three through 10 are basically Anne of the Thousand Days, which is the three years of that marriage. She’s beheaded at the end of Episode 10, which won’t be a surprise to anybody. I think people do know that.” And who can we expect to appear by the end of the second season? Jane Seymour! "
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Alixz on June 18, 2007, 11:07:53 PM
As my sister once said, "I'm not going to bother to go see the movie Titanic because I already know how it ends. :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 19, 2007, 05:14:10 PM
I'm wondering who's going to play Princess---oops, she's illegitimate now, Mary. She was in her teens when Henry granted himself a divorce, and last time I checked on showtime she was a little girl while negotiations were being made with her for the Dauphin of France.
i'm not watching the show be cause i don't have showtime, but does Mary even get a mention? Or is Henry too enraptured in Anne?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 19, 2007, 05:29:33 PM
Before you know it, Princess/Lady Mary will be an adult with no explanation about how she got there in a couple of years... Maybe she will be played by Paris Hilton (the new and improved post-prison Paris Hilton)... I can't wait to see what kinds of antics they will come up for her on the show...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 19, 2007, 06:19:35 PM
I haven't been following the series all that closely --- who's the hunka hunka burnin' love standing next to "Henry" supposed to be?

Anne of Cleves?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 19, 2007, 07:08:50 PM
I haven't been following the series all that closely --- who's the hunka hunka burnin' love standing next to "Henry" supposed to be?

Anne of Cleves?

LOL. I think that's supposed to be Charles Brandon... A dead ringer for the real Brandon, of course  ::).  You know, the one who married Mary-Margaret Tudor after she smothered her husband, the king of Portugal?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 19, 2007, 09:00:29 PM
Oh and in case anyone reading this wants to know, "Marygret" also dies childless. That means no Jane Grey or Mary Queen of Scots.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 19, 2007, 09:43:10 PM
Look on the bright side. It also means no James I, Charles I and English Civil War.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 20, 2007, 01:15:05 AM
No current royal family either for that matter. Oh no I think I just figured it out. Series finale: England becomes a republic. Elizabeth Tudor, first female president. Robert Dudley is her intern and Shakespeare her speech writer.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on June 20, 2007, 07:54:10 AM
Oh and in case anyone reading this wants to know, "Marygret" also dies childless. That means no Jane Grey or Mary Queen of Scots.

Wanna bet?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 20, 2007, 08:07:24 AM
Oh and in case anyone reading this wants to know, "Marygret" also dies childless. That means no Jane Grey or Mary Queen of Scots.

Yes, in the logical world of history that would be the case. But not in the alternative universe of Hollywood and Showtime's "The Tudors". Of course there will be Jane Grey and Mary of Scots. They may look nothing like themselves and act nothing like themselves, and do some weird stuff like smother their elderly husbands with pillows, and it may be kind of difficult to figure out exactly how they came about (for those who will actually care to figure it out), but you can bet that they will be there.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on June 20, 2007, 03:08:52 PM
Thomas Tallis, having been cured of his homosexuality upon espying two beautiful sisters while practicing on his organ, will father a girl by one sister (while the ghost of the subsequently-deceased sister looks on).  Then, spooked further by the responsbility of fatherhood -- and with his sexual identity once again teetering on the brink after thinking further on the arm-wresting match between Henry and Brandon -- he will arrange to have the child left on the Dorset household.  The Dorset clan, needing a path to elevate their fortunes, will raise the girl as their own in order to place her on the throne when opportunity comes a-knocking.  She'll read a lot, which kind of pisses everyone off.  But since she is being groomed as a pretender to a throne, they let her get by with it, figuring a little education can be tolerated in a queen.

When Edward VI is finally strangled with a tunic-hanger by partisans of Katherine's daughter Mary and dribbled with bloody sputum to mimic a very rapid case of tuberculosis, opportunity arrives.  And Lady Jane nee  Tallis will be put forward to rollick for nine days with a Cary Elwes look-a-like . . . and provided with dialogue even sillier than that of the glass-breaking scene in the movie Lady Jane.  This will mean burning some midnight oil for the script writers, but they are up to it.

What could be simpler?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 20, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
Excellent script! See, Taren et al, piece of cake...

Now, for Mary of Scotland...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 20, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
Quote
Thomas Tallis, having been cured of his homosexuality upon espying two beautiful sisters while practicing on his organ,

I'm sorry, Tsarfan I got this far before spewing my coffee. You were saying?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 04:11:15 PM
I haven't been following the series all that closely --- who's the hunka hunka burnin' love standing next to "Henry" supposed to be?

Anne of Cleves?

I wish!  :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 04:13:52 PM
Look on the bright side. It also means no James I, Charles I and English Civil War.

oh no!

showtime is changing history... that was an understatement
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
Before you know it, Princess/Lady Mary will be an adult with no explanation about how she got there in a couple of years... Maybe she will be played by Paris Hilton (the new and improved post-prison Paris Hilton)... I can't wait to see what kinds of antics they will come up for her on the show...

no, no! not Paris, I have someone even better in my mind . . .
Lindsay Lohan.

Lindsay's parents divorced---she's upset about that.
Mary's parents divorced.
go to Lindsay's song/video, and you'll see their connection: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8nVh4RNgP4

And maybe showtime even might put suicide in their script with Mary slitting her wrists---'xactly what Lindsay's doing in real life.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 04:31:30 PM
Photos from the Ireland set of Season 2:

"Season Two begins with Henry and Catherine still not quite divorced, and the nation in upheaval. Multiple Oscar nominee Peter O’Toole, 74, recently joined the cast as Pope Paul III. “We’ve already written season two,” Showtime entertainment chief Robert Greenblatt says. “And it really is the marriage of Anne and Henry, which doesn’t happen until Episode Three. But then three through 10 are basically Anne of the Thousand Days, which is the three years of that marriage. She’s beheaded at the end of Episode 10, which won’t be a surprise to anybody. I think people do know that.” And who can we expect to appear by the end of the second season? Jane Seymour! "


Wait . . . do they mean the actress Jane Seymour or the third wife Jane Seymour?  ???
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on June 20, 2007, 04:39:16 PM
I wonder wether this guy is going to be in it at some point;
(http://www.fraterslibertas.com/shrek.jpeg)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 04:49:08 PM
LOL that has got to be the funniest thing i've ever read, Kim!  :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on June 20, 2007, 04:53:57 PM
I wonder wether this guy is going to be in it at some point . . .

Well, he does look considerably more like the real Henry than JRM.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 20, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
lol he (Shrek) does.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on June 25, 2007, 02:16:23 PM
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Well, he does look considerably more like the real Henry than JRM.

I know, great casting director ;)

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: RomanovFan on June 25, 2007, 03:02:21 PM
Never heard of Natalie Dormer :(

Ever seen the movie "Casanova" with Heath Ledger and Sienna Miller? Natalie Dormer played the Virgin Victoria that Casanova was engaged to. She was blonde in that movie, and I think that's her natural hair color. That means that she either had to wear a wig for the part of Anne Boleyn or she had to grow her hair out and dye it dark brown.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on June 25, 2007, 05:27:56 PM
Never heard of Natalie Dormer :(

Ever seen the movie "Casanova" with Heath Ledger and Sienna Miller? Natalie Dormer played the Virgin Victoria that Casanova was engaged to. She was blonde in that movie, and I think that's her natural hair color. That means that she either had to wear a wig for the part of Anne Boleyn or she had to grow her hair out and dye it dark brown.

I have heard of Casanova but I never saw it. is it good?
And if Natalie Dormer used to be a blonde, that explains why she isn't fit to play anne boleyn...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on June 30, 2007, 03:14:21 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This in the "oo aarr Daily Star" today. I don't think it can stoop any lower;
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on June 30, 2007, 08:41:57 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This in the "oo aarr Daily Star" today. I don't think it can stoop any lower;
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939)

I can't say I'm surprised.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on June 30, 2007, 11:10:16 PM
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"Victoria would be better cast in Henry’s court,” said our source.

“He liked beautiful women around but Elizabeth could get jealous.”

What? Does that even make sense? Why would Elizabeth be jealous if her father liked beautiful women?

Way to make Americans sound incredibly stupid, Daily Star. Oh yes, the entirety of the country is watching the show on a channel you have to pay to get, attempting to trace their roots back 500 years to the court of the royal rock star, in order to find a reason to brings ruffled collars and cuffs into their wardrobe. Not to mention the fact that we're so robbed of celebrity culture here in America  ::) that we worship anyone and anything remotely English.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Aine on July 02, 2007, 07:18:11 PM
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Way to make Americans sound incredibly stupid, Daily Star. Oh yes, the entirety of the country is watching the show on a channel you have to pay to get, attempting to trace their roots back 500 years to the court of the royal rock star, in order to find a reason to bring ruffled collars and cuffs into their wardrobe.

And to shout it out in the bars, no less.

To be entirely fair, I think the writer did say this is happening in the Hollywood area (which undoubtedly has the highest concentration of crazies), but I still think this is just part of the effort to make Beckham marketable in the US. If they make it sound like people are interested, maybe they really will be!

Aine
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 02, 2007, 07:54:21 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D This in the "oo aarr Daily Star" today. I don't think it can stoop any lower;
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1939)

The Tudors are being REVIVED . . . the "I'M A SEYMOUR" thing was hillarious. they look like total wannabes through my eyes.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 07, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
Finally got to watch the rest of season 1... Well... what can I say that hasn't already been said... I was slightly confused by the ending though... Without getting too graphic, what exactly happened, or didn't happen? Was JRM/Henry happy or unhappy with the turn of events? Maybe I am too dense, but that scene was a bit "weird" (as one of Thomas Tallis's two sister friends would put it  ::)). Speaking of which, what is that "ghost" storyline all about?

Come to think of it, why am I trying to analyze this? 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 08, 2007, 10:11:47 AM
i have no idea.

well, maybe because i don't watch the show.  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Mari on July 09, 2007, 01:36:02 AM
History sounds like its being" butchered" in the making! The BBC would do a much better job and have done in the past. Any hilarious dialogue in the script ;D   please post it!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 09, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
There is a companion book to this series you know, it's called "The Tudors: It's Good to Be King" by Michael Hirst.

I am not kidding:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Tudors.jpg)


So if you are interested in hilarious dialogue, perhaps you will consider purchasing it... http://www.amazon.com/Tudors-Its-Good-Be-King/dp/1416948848/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5774410-9733410?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184028027&sr=1-1
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on July 10, 2007, 11:44:44 AM
Wow. What regal and queenly body parts are they stressing in that poster?

It still cracks me up to see JRM in this part. He is going to have to deteriorate at Warp 10 to look right for Anne of Cleves. Or as Holbein will call her on this show, the "hawt German chcik."

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 10, 2007, 01:11:23 PM
There is a companion book to this series you know, it's called "The Tudors: It's Good to Be King" by Michael Hirst.

I am not kidding:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Tudors.jpg)


So if you are interested in hilarious dialogue, perhaps you will consider purchasing it... http://www.amazon.com/Tudors-Its-Good-Be-King/dp/1416948848/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5774410-9733410?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184028027&sr=1-1

I don't think I'll waste my money on that! Plus my mother would never let me buy a book with a cover of women gathered around a guy, and showing off the parts they shouldn't be showing off . . .  ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on July 11, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
That cover would look fine for a Conan the Barbarian book -well, with some more muscles, methinks-, but it hurts my eyes to see it on a book about the Tudors...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 11, 2007, 12:14:33 PM
It's the same cheesey poster they used to advertise the show when it first came out... It was all over the billboards in Philadelphia. Just from seeing that poster, I immediately knew what this show was going to be all about... It pretty much says it all.  You have to give them credit though - at least there was no false advertisement or pretenses to be something they are not... They're trashy and they know it  ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 11, 2007, 09:07:36 PM
yup, they did have that poster on the billboards of Philly. you're just driving when you see that vulgar poster . . . it pained me to look at it, and after i did i was constantly rubbing my eyes.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 25, 2007, 03:48:56 PM
WOOHOO....this trash TV is coming to BBC2 in the Autumn. I cannot wait. ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 25, 2007, 05:00:14 PM
WOOHOO....this trash TV is coming to BBC2 in the Autumn. I cannot wait. ;D

I can't wait... You guys (the Brits) will be so pissed about what we (Americans) did with your history! ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Alixz on July 26, 2007, 08:29:49 AM
I think that those "parts" they are showing was a common way of dressing in the 1500s.  At least in every portrait and in every other show I have ever seen about the Tudors.  :D

However, I saw that poster at my local cable TV office just last week.  I don't get Showtime so I haven't seen any of the series.

I think, though, that the poster is telling us that Henry was a lady's man or a manly man or a tyrant or just that he had at least three wives.  Or, in the American way of marketing history - if you make it sexy - it will sell.  ::)

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 27, 2007, 11:07:51 AM
And that's why it's so popular... but I doubt any historians approves of this retarded show.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 16, 2007, 10:11:36 AM
So when is the new season supposed to start?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: dmitri on August 16, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
That poster looks more like one for a Tudor period Count Dracula. Doesn't anybody realise Henry VIII had red hair? How very crass.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on August 16, 2007, 03:27:52 PM
lol... and, Helen, I'm not so sure of this, but I think the new season starts somewhere in 2008... ???
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on September 18, 2007, 02:56:28 PM
I think this starts on BBC 2 in a couple of weeks.....cannot wait!!!!!!...... NOT.
(you know I'm a sucker, and I will watch it)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on September 18, 2007, 03:59:22 PM
Well, you can't resist something that's coming on TV that you've heard about so many times. . . it's like mail sitting in an old email box, that you just have to check... lame simile, I know, but I couldn't come up with anything else... :).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on September 18, 2007, 04:44:21 PM
I think this starts on BBC 2 in a couple of weeks.....cannot wait!!!!!!...... NOT.
(you know I'm a sucker, and I will watch it)

I know exactly how you feel. It's one of those things, like watching an accident on the road, it's terrible but you just can't stop yourself from looking! ;-)  But seriously, it is rather entertaining, in a demented way.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on September 19, 2007, 06:47:24 PM
Much better simile than mine, Helen! ;).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on October 05, 2007, 03:47:17 PM
Oh....dear....gawd....what utter twaddle. JRM is a bit..ahem girlie in the looks department and 20 minutes in and we have had 3 bonking sessions. I am waiting for Jack Bauer to make an entrance and help ole Harry get his revenge on the filthy swine who murdered his uncle :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 05, 2007, 03:51:48 PM
I see you finally get to enjoy this bit of masterpiece along with the rest of us, Kim! Wait... it gets better.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: veu-1 on October 09, 2007, 02:58:53 AM
There is a companion book to this series you know, it's called "The Tudors: It's Good to Be King" by Michael Hirst.

I am not kidding:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/helenazar/Tudors.jpg)


So if you are interested in hilarious dialogue, perhaps you will consider purchasing it... http://www.amazon.com/Tudors-Its-Good-Be-King/dp/1416948848/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5774410-9733410?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184028027&sr=1-1

There is also:

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kx82f51DL._SS500_.jpg)

This book is called "The Tudors: The King, the Queen, and the Mistress" by Michael Hirst and Anne Gracie.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Silja on October 09, 2007, 02:07:28 PM
I like the cover! So very Tudor like. Seems to fit the series perfectly. Hilarious.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 15, 2007, 01:44:58 PM
Did the 2nd season start yet?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FairyCutie86 on October 15, 2007, 02:58:54 PM
Hi! I'm new on the "Tudor" board, so bear with me.  I guess I'll say what I liked and disliked about the show.  Well, I've only seen the first 2 episodes, I got them for free at Best Buy, but I am dying to watch the rest of the season.  I love the Tudor era!  I personally do love JRM performance.  He has that arrogance of Henry VIII as well as the kingliness.  Plus, I find him attractive (hee hee!).  Me and my mother sat down to watch it together, because we both love that era, and we both had our months open in shock about those sex scenes.  No wonder it comes on late on Showtime!  That was, like, porn!  Besides that, I did love the actual storylines within those first 2 episodes and I can't wait to see the rest when they come out on DVD.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on October 15, 2007, 04:45:57 PM
Ooooh Fairycutie...you naughty thing. You made me smile tonight. hugs.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: RomanovFan on October 15, 2007, 05:33:28 PM
Why did they make Catherine of Aragon fifteen years older than Henry VIII when in real life, the age gap was only six years?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 15, 2007, 05:38:55 PM
Why did they make Catherine of Aragon fifteen years older than Henry VIII when in real life, the age gap was only six years?

To present Henry as young and hot, so that JRM can play him ;-) . But that's the least of the problems here...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 16, 2007, 06:57:31 PM
Looks like Season 2 is not until some time in 2008. Darn!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Taren on October 16, 2007, 11:00:05 PM
Looks like Season 2 is not until some time in 2008. Darn!
But they have to give JRM time to pack on the pounds in order for his portrayal to be more realistic since that's the producers' number one objective here, right? Yeah.....I didn't think so....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on October 27, 2007, 10:17:37 AM
Ughhh. I totally hate how they portray Katherine of Aragon. I mean, I know Anne Boleyn and Henry are the protaginists but they shouldn't change the facts to be biased! A good example is how Katherine iis 15 years older than Henry when it was only 6.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on October 27, 2007, 10:44:21 AM
I know Anne Boleyn and Henry are the protaginists but they shouldn't change the facts to be biased! A good example is how Katherine iis 15 years older than Henry when it was only 6.

This, alas, is the least of this show's problems...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on October 27, 2007, 05:40:29 PM
True, true, true.... ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Modena1 on November 02, 2007, 08:43:32 PM
Apparently Peter O'Toole will be playing Pope Paul III in 7 episodes next season. The important question is: just what are the producers using to blackmail him with to get him on that show?

LOL..............Bodacious Babes? Well-stocked dressing room? ;) Whoops,these are more bribes than blackmail.

Seriously, great actor, but what a series. :(
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on November 05, 2007, 04:26:30 PM
We've now had five episodes screened in the UK and...hmmm.

I thought the first episode was terrible.  It seemed that every five minutes we had to have a completely unneccessary sex scene.  However it has improved.  Sam Neill is watchable as Wolsey, as is Jeremy Northam as Thomas More and Maria Doyle Kennedy as Catherine of Aragon.

I also thought Gabrielle Anwar was quite good as Henry's sister, but talk about playing around with historical facts!  First she marries the King of Portugal (!!!) and then she murders him (!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

My two biggest problems are with JRM as Henry and Natalie Dormer as Anne Boleyn.  JRM is a good looking guy, but, as others have said, he's too pretty for Henry.  Stephen Waddington (who played Buckingham) would have been a much better choice physically but I guess he was a couple of years too old and also not a big enough name to lead the series.  Also, every now and then, JRM's Irish accent keeps appearing which isn't really appropriate for a King of England!  I think Natalie's a good actress, but in my opinion just doesn't have the necessary allure to play so fascinating a character as Anne Boleyn.  Years ago I saw a film called "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" and in that Charlotte Rampling played Anne and was excellent.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 26, 2007, 05:24:21 PM
Apparently the show was nominated for the Golden Globe Awards   :o :-p  ??. 

Here are some previews for the 2008 season...

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1305149607/bclid1311281474/bctid1350225671

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1305149607/bclid1311281474/bctid1352465287

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1305149607/bclid1311281474/bctid1351299792

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1305149607/bclid1311281474/bctid1351306838


Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 26, 2007, 05:26:07 PM
Stephen Waddington (who played Buckingham) would have been a much better choice physically

I agree... Not one of the characters on this show has been appropriately cast, IMO...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 26, 2007, 06:01:38 PM
There should be no surprise as to the historical inaccuracies that abound in this series, seeing as it was written by the pinheads who did Elizabeth I with Cate Blanchett.  From the first scene of the murder of Henry's uncle the ambassador (his only uncles were the Princes in the Tower, either who would have been the King had they survived...), I knew it would not be any better.  The history is abysmal (his sisters combined into some type of hybrid character marrying the king of Portugal ?!?!?) Yeesh!

Instead of banging my head against the wall in frustration, I'm enjoying this series as a guilty pleasure.   Jonathan Rhys Meyers is a favorite of mine, so I'll enjoy every minute of him.  No, he doesn't physically resemble young Henry, but he's such a good actor he has the charm, swagger and conceit down pat.  Making any of this swill ridden script believable should earn him a Golden Globe nomination.

(And "Charles Brandon" isn't hard on the eyes either.)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 26, 2007, 06:06:26 PM
Instead of banging my head against the wall in frustration, I'm enjoying this series as a guilty pleasure.   Jonathan Rhys Meyers is a favorite of mine, so I'll enjoy every minute of him.  No, he doesn't physically resemble young Henry, but he's such a good actor he has the charm, swagger and conceit down pat.  (And "Charles Brandon" isn't hard on the eyes either.)

That's a great attitude and it's the one I take too. I can't wait for Season 2 ;-)

Making any of this swill ridden script believable should earn him a Golden Globe nomination.

Good point! LOL.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 26, 2007, 06:10:41 PM
There should be no surprise as to the historical inaccuracies that abound in this series, seeing as it was written by the pinheads who did Elizabeth I with Cate Blanchett. 

Yes, but they have reached new heights with The Tudors :-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 27, 2007, 05:10:15 PM
Dunno if 'heights' is quite the right word there Helen! :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: dmitri on December 28, 2007, 05:26:44 AM
maybe it is they have sunk to new depths .. I can't work out why they have an actor with dark hair playing Henry VIII? all accounts suggest he had red or auburn hair
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 28, 2007, 12:45:54 PM
I'm trying to be positive, upbeat and non-judgmental ;-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 28, 2007, 12:47:50 PM
I can't work out why they have an actor with dark hair playing Henry VIII?

Because it's JRM.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 28, 2007, 01:47:27 PM
Helen A., glad you're along for the guilty pleasure value.  I know Ray Winstone perhaps looked more like Henry in his recent show, but I prefer JRM...hee hee.

Alas, in February 2008 we'll all be distracted by the next installment in Tudor media, "The Other Boleyn Girl".  It may make "The Tudors" look accurate by comparison.

Can't wait to hear the casting complaints about Eric Bana. Another fine actor, but he looks even less like Henry than JRM does!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: anna11 on December 28, 2007, 04:35:23 PM
As much as I love JRM, and the woman who plays Anne, i'm not much a fan of this series. I've only seen one episode but it seemed totally melodramatic and a little over the top. And Henry looks like he just stepped out of the backtreet boys.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 28, 2007, 04:58:56 PM
I know Ray Winstone perhaps looked more like Henry in his recent show, but I prefer JRM...hee hee.

Well, compared to Henry VIII who looks like Winstone but speaks with a cockney accent, Henry VIII who looks like JRM may be preferable after all ;-)

Alas, in February 2008 we'll all be distracted by the next installment in Tudor media, "The Other Boleyn Girl".  It may make "The Tudors" look accurate by comparison.

I have the same feeling, BF! I suppose historical accuracy is all relative...

Can't wait to hear the casting complaints about Eric Bana. Another fine actor, but he looks even less like Henry than JRM does!

Ouch.

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 29, 2007, 11:54:40 AM
Can't wait to hear the casting complaints about Eric Bana.

Yeah, that was a weird casting decision... Brana would have been much more appropriately cast as Francis I, IMO...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 30, 2007, 09:33:56 AM
The one advantage Eric Bana does have over JRM is (in my opinion anyway) physical presence.  He's a big, imposing guy, just like Henry VIII was. 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 30, 2007, 09:36:31 AM
As much as I love JRM, and the woman who plays Anne, i'm not much a fan of this series. I've only seen one episode but it seemed totally melodramatic and a little over the top. And Henry looks like he just stepped out of the backtreet boys.

Your comment about Henry looking like he'd just stepped out of the backstreet boys made me laugh out loud!  I completely agree.  JRM is a good actor but just looks too young, slight and pretty to be a believable Henry.  God knows how they're going to cope in the next series as he (Henry) approaches middle age!  The make up and padding departments will have their work cut out.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 30, 2007, 12:28:59 PM
The one advantage Eric Bana does have over JRM is (in my opinion anyway) physical presence.  He's a big, imposing guy, just like Henry VIII was. 


Yes, agreed, although he is still not as big or imposing as Henry was, at least not in the same way. And he is still miscast as Henry and would have made a lot better Francois....

God knows how they're going to cope in the next series as he (Henry) approaches middle age! 

They are not going to do anything to cope. He will just continue to look young and hot and no one will blink an eye. I mean with all the other antics they have pulled on this show so far, do you really think the producers are concerned with the way Henry looks in the next season? It's not like the audience will mind... The show was nominated for the Golden Globe based on Season 1 for gods sake!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 30, 2007, 07:50:01 PM
True enough, but if memory serves, they used huge amount of padding for Keith Michell in the final episodes of "The Six Wives of Henry VIII".  He was also very trim.  As that series was made with no budget, I seem to recall they used mushy cornflakes as part of the makeup scheme. (No kidding!)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on December 31, 2007, 07:47:48 AM
True enough, but if memory serves, they used huge amount of padding for Keith Michell in the final episodes of "The Six Wives of Henry VIII".  He was also very trim.  As that series was made with no budget, I seem to recall they used mushy cornflakes as part of the makeup scheme. (No kidding!)


LOL. If that's the case, they did a great job! Much better than some of these hugely budgeted Hollywood productions, that's for sure!

And you see, in the BBC version they actually cared about being historically accurate, in the Showtime version it's all about being campy ;-).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 31, 2007, 08:57:31 PM
BF Helen_A, the two of us will watch JRM's makeup closely as he ages in this next series.  This will hopefully distract us from the horrible history lesson and keep it fun too!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: RomanovFan on January 06, 2008, 06:11:47 PM
I've only seen bits and pieces of the first season. I'm a little shocked at the way the director/writers have chosen to take more artistic liscence that needed to toy with history. They've made Catherine of Aragon some 15 years older than Henry (when in reality she was only 6 years older) and combined Henry's two sisters, Margaret and Mary, into one character, assuming that the audience is too stupid to decipher between Henry's sister Mary and his daughter, Mary. And Anne Boleyn didn't have blue eyes. Did I miss anything else?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: dmitri on January 06, 2008, 06:44:44 PM
The fact that the actor playing Henry has dark hair instead of red hair. He looks like he would be more suited to a role in a remake of 'Interview with a Vampire'. What were the casting directors thinking of? It's simply awful.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: RomanovFan on January 06, 2008, 07:57:29 PM
What were the casting directors thinking of? It's simply awful.

I don't think they were thinking. lol They just wanted an excuse to mess with history and make a series on a channel that allows them to show more sex.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 07, 2008, 08:40:37 AM
BF Helen_A, the two of us will watch JRM's makeup closely as he ages in this next series.  This will hopefully distract us from the horrible history lesson and keep it fun too!

LOL. I have a feeling we'll be watching for it in vain, as I doubt JRM will be aging any time soon! ;-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on January 07, 2008, 09:10:06 AM
Hi,

Dmitri -
Don't give these people any new ideas!!  Henry as vampire  --  next we'll see is Henry VIII giving Anne of Cleves a neck bite!!

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 15, 2008, 04:18:23 PM
Maybe they should just promote this series as a comedy - comical enough. Along the lines of Mel Brook's History of the World Part 2... Henry VIII can be a vampire if the producers want him to be, and Margaret can kill her Portugese husband, etc., anything for a laugh, and no one would object...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on January 15, 2008, 05:58:25 PM
Yes, it was the killing of the portuguese husband that was the most ridiculous thing about this whole series for me.

That said, even though I hated the first episode, I ended up quite enjoying it.  It was certainly rather fun even though it often bore little resemblance to the truth!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 15, 2008, 06:03:48 PM
I enjoy this series too, that's why it should be a comedy!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: dmitri on January 15, 2008, 06:12:14 PM
Smile about Henry being a vampire. Here I was thinking that Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard suffered the pain in the neck! ... sorry in advance Helen .. smile
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on January 15, 2008, 06:15:58 PM
LOL
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 04, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
They've updated the website: http://www.sho.com/site/tudors/home.do  The new season starts on March 30th!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on February 04, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
I just found this: there is a link on the website to a wiki where one can post all the inaccuracies in the show!

http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/The+Tudors+Historical+Inaccuracies+and+Mysteries
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: anna11 on March 11, 2008, 11:46:46 PM
Ok, when does the first season finish end end? Because i've heard that season 2 will finish with Anne's execution, which means a fair amount of time must have been covered in season 1...unless it started later than I thought, or heaps of time passed between episodes.

I thought it started with Anne and Henry's first meeting/him falling in love with her. I haven't seen it all yet.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 12, 2008, 08:33:58 AM
Ok, when does the first season finish end end?

It ended with Anne and Henry finally having sex... In the woods... on the ground. Not that the time frame was correct anyway, the show warped the time line in the 1st season, so I wouldn't worry too much about the 2nd season staying within the right time frame...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on March 18, 2008, 04:19:29 PM
I just found this: there is a link on the website to a wiki where one can post all the inaccuracies in the show!

http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/The+Tudors+Historical+Inaccuracies+and+Mysteries

I was so gleeful when I saw that! Maybe excessively, but I was glad that now viewers can see everything inaccuratee about the show.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 20, 2008, 06:31:29 PM
... but I was glad that now viewers can see everything inaccuratee about the show.

I doubt that most viewers of this show will care ;-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on March 29, 2008, 06:01:13 PM
... but I was glad that now viewers can see everything inaccuratee about the show.

I doubt that most viewers of this show will care ;-)

True, true... but at least Hirst's "This show is 80% true" belief will be challenged somewhat ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: anna11 on March 30, 2008, 11:09:39 PM
I just watch season one from start to finish. I love it! I only really know the basics of the rise and fall of Anne Boleyn, so the historical inaccuracies didn't really bother me because I didn't see them. I know it's inaccurate, but I don't think anyone watches it as a history lesson, or to see how wonderfully historically accurate it is. It's a showtime series! I don't know what people are expecting when they watch it. And also, watching it has often made me curious research particular events/people and so after watching the series I know much more than I did before.

Being historically accurate isn't the point of the show.

Henry masturbating was unnecessary and kind of disgusting though, and also the worst moment of the series imo was when Henry tried pole vaulting over a pond. WTF.

I love Queen Katherine, the actress is wonderful.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 31, 2008, 06:15:44 PM
Anyone catch the season opener last night? I hear it was better than ever! ;-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on March 31, 2008, 06:35:30 PM
BTW, I recently read a funny review of the show (from New York Times no less). According to this review, the reason the producers changed so much of the history was to keep viewers (and hair and make-up people) from "getting confused". For example, since there already was a Princess Mary, they couldn't have another Pss Mary on the set, otherwise everyone would be confused. Also, since they already showed the king of France earlier in a different context (Francis I) they had to pick another king of a random European country to be married to Henry's sister Margaret (who should have been Mary) - in order not to confuse people - of course. That was very considerate of them. But you know, everything else was accurate, like for example: Henry liked Anne Boleyn and dumped his wife Catherine for her, etc.  So that's the important thing.

And Natalie Dormer did a little bit of philosophizing about her character: she compared Anne Boleyn to Princess Diana (huh?). I think it was because both dressed well...

And here is another one from the NYT, but not the one I read in the actual paper: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/arts/television/28tudo.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bellafante,%20Ginia
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: koloagirl on April 03, 2008, 03:58:13 PM

Aloha from Kaua'i!

"Being historically accurate isn't the point of the show." -- - I think this sums the ideology of this show up perfectly!  Truer words were never spoken!   ;D

Janet
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 04, 2008, 09:14:25 AM
"Being historically accurate isn't the point of the show."

They certainly made their point very well! lol
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on April 04, 2008, 03:44:59 PM


And here is another one from the NYT, but not the one I read in the actual paper: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/arts/television/28tudo.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bellafante,%20Ginia

Thanks for posting the article! :) I enjoyed it very much.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: anna11 on April 07, 2008, 04:23:18 AM
Just another thing that really shits me about the people who complain about the inaccuracies. WHO CARES what eye or hair colour they have? So Katherine has dark hair, Henry has brown hair, or whatever when they really has brown hair streak purple with yellow dotes.

Stop complaining please. I'm sure that the producers and casting directors know that Henry really had ranger hair. They make no claim that the show is some kind of documentary depicting the events as though they are being filmed or whatever. They cast actors for their skill NOT their hair colour. I don't imagine any other actress no matter what her hair colour was could depict the Katherine nearly as well as Maria Doyle Kennedy does. Have you seen that woman act?


Sorry, I just wanted to say that. I've been watching this show a lot lately. Sure it has it's faults, but the hair colour of the actors is not one of them.


I also really loved the Thomas Tallis sub-plot of the show. He and his lover (can't remember his name right now) were so cute. A lot of people don't like them, but I think those side plots make the show much more compelling, instead of focusing just on the divorce plot. It gave a sense of a bigger world than just the main characters. It's called The Tudors after all, not Henry and Anne.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 13, 2008, 04:52:35 AM
Anna 11 I am rather shocked about a word you used in the above post....."SKILL"... are you joking. :-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on April 13, 2008, 01:14:52 PM
     
" A real HBO misfire in JOHN ADAMS, March 18, 2008
By    KerrLines ""Movies,Music,Theatre"" (Baltimore,MD) - See all my reviews
HBO should have really taken a long look at SHOWTIME'S The Tudors - The Complete First Season before they released this really dull 7-part miniseries on John Adams."

This may be my favorite review of all time. Why, oh, why didn't HBO screen The Tudors for tips? Instead of Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney, we could have had John and Abigail played by Chris Evans and Pamela Anderson? Adams could have been depicted as poisoning George Washington to seize the Presidency for himself, embittered by Abigail's torrid affair with Jefferson (Keanu Reeves).

Oh, the missed opportunities!

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 13, 2008, 01:23:38 PM
     
" A real HBO misfire in JOHN ADAMS, March 18, 2008
By    KerrLines ""Movies,Music,Theatre"" (Baltimore,MD) - See all my reviews
HBO should have really taken a long look at SHOWTIME'S The Tudors - The Complete First Season before they released this really dull 7-part miniseries on John Adams."

Why am I not surprised? ....    Next year, The Tudors just HAS to win several Golden Globe Awards!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on April 13, 2008, 01:30:02 PM
Have you seen the fake trailer for The Tudors on Youtube? Best Tag Line Ever.

"Showtime --- where history comes alive! And has sex with you!"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 17, 2008, 03:20:26 PM
Do you have the link to it? I searched but couldn't find it...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on April 17, 2008, 08:39:35 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tdgy1J7cKJU

I think this should do it. My particular favorite is Queen Victoria. Don't drink coffee while it plays, though. I learned the hard way.

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on April 18, 2008, 01:33:24 AM
Mmmmm ....looking forward to the Winston Churchill one :-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on April 18, 2008, 07:52:14 AM
Quote
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tdgy1J7cKJU

LOL, that's great!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on April 23, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
The Tudors has been renewed for a third season.  At this rate, we'll be seeing a fat, balding JRM soon!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: anna11 on April 23, 2008, 09:45:25 PM
Oh I doubt it. It looks to me like 'aging' JRM only includes making him have a goatee, they're not going to make him ugly. Which personally, is fine with me :p
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on April 25, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
Oh I doubt it. It looks to me like 'aging' JRM only includes making him have a goatee, they're not going to make him ugly. Which personally, is fine with me :p

Yep, yep, yep.  Don't want to see those abs gone for any reason. 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 01, 2008, 12:57:22 PM
I watched the first show of the 2nd season last night... Is it my imagination, or is the show getting less campy? You could almost take that one seriously... Not quite but almost... Has anyone seen it yet? I have two more episodes which were recorded for me, so I will try to watch them this week.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 01, 2008, 04:38:02 PM
Give it time --- Jonathan is so miscast that it is only a matter of episodes before he flubs up. Don't the costumes drive you crazy? What is with the Elizabethan ruffs on everyone?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 02, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
Yes, what's with the Elizabethan collars? That's the least of the problems of course, but very distracting...

Also, did they have violins in the 16th century? They have Mark Smeaton constantly playing the violin, even instructing Anne Boleyn on it. Is this instead of the virginals??

The language still leaves a lot to be desired, especially from the Duke of Suffolk (he of the "she and me" fame)... I mean he referred to Anne Boleyn as a "b-tch", several times in one episode, I believe....

I have to say, in the last few episodes (I watched the subsequent 3 last night), they added a few historically accurate tidbits - unimportant ones of course- but obviously they did their homework. For instance, they had Anne Boleyn find the prophecy cards on the table, with the queen's head cut off. I think that was accurate, except it was in a book not with cards... They also had her make a comment to Wyatt about hankering for apples...

But what's with that Kennedy-esque scene where Anne Boleyn was a target for a shooter? That was weird. And how did Mary Tudor all over sudden become an adult? A few episodes ago she was a small child...  And why was Ann referred to as "Lady Ann" or "Marquise" even after she was married to Henry, until after her coronation, while everyone already knew they married?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 02, 2008, 09:16:25 AM
Well, by 1533 Mary was 17, so . . . of course, Henry VIII was 41 or so, and look at Jonathan. Maybe they gave Mary some of the years they have obviously taken off Henry (I do love the mustache and beard he's sporting --- you can really see the resemblance to the historical Henry). Mark Smeaton was supposed to have been a lute-player, I think, although I do remember one occasion where Anne summoned him to play the virginals in her room. Since most authorities think that the violin as we know it today wasn't invented until at least 1560, he would have been AMAZINGLY prescient to have taught her how to play one, but maybe it happened. Someone figured out that Elizabethan collars were coming, after all.

Has Jane Seymour arrived yet? I'm holding out for Pamela Andersen in the role. Come on, she's a blonde.

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 08, 2008, 12:50:08 PM
Has Jane Seymour arrived yet? I'm holding out for Pamela Andersen in the role. Come on, she's a blonde.

I'm leaning more towards Paris Hilton... 

Mark Smeaton was supposed to have been a lute-player... 

Yes, that's right, he was a lute player. Why couldn't have just had him play the lute? Maybe they couldn't find a lute... Or maybe the producers were afraid to get the audience confused (kind of like with king of France - king of Portugal)...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 09, 2008, 12:19:41 PM
Okay, so I watched this week's episode (kill me --- it was 2 in the morning and I couldn't sleep, and for some reason we now get 135 Showtime Channels) and I have a few questions:

(1) is that supposed to be Catherine Willoughy as the Duchess of Suffolk? For that matter, is that hunka-hunka burnin' love supposed to be Charles Brandon? Talk about upgrades. It's like the biopics of teeny little Cole Porter, where he has been played by Cary Grant or Kevin Kline.

(2) why are they all wearing Elizabethan ruffs?  I am obsessed with this.

(3) I did like the scene where Mary, on her knees praying some Catholic stuff (natch), got up and picked up the squalling Princess Elizabeth because they were alone in the room. I kept hoping that she would toss the baby out a window or something. Unbelievable plot twist!

(4) Ahem. I think it is now clear why Jane Boleyn was so ticked at George. Holy gratuitous nudity, Batman!

(5) Ditto on the French Admiral's niece. Those French, they're sex ka-ray-zee.

(6) Ditto cubed on Anne's supposed assassination. What the hell was that all about?

And I noticed a flash of Jane Seymour in upcoming scenes. Alas, not Pam. Not Paris. Although I don't see how we could be expected to believe that someone could fall in love with Paris Hilton, frankly.

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 12, 2008, 07:28:34 PM
I noticed a flash of Jane Seymour in upcoming scenes.

I thought it would take another 8 seasons to get to Jane, but I guess the producers figured the audience is getting bored with Anne... At this pace we could get to Elizabeth and Mary of Scots very soon... Oh wait, I'm not sure if Mary of Scots will exist in this version of history...

(1) is that supposed to be Catherine Willoughy as the Duchess of Suffolk? For that matter, is that hunka-hunka burnin' love supposed to be Charles Brandon?

Yes and yes...

(2) why are they all wearing Elizabethan ruffs?  I am obsessed with this.

Because they're pretty...?

(6) Ditto cubed on Anne's supposed assassination. What the hell was that all about?

Do you mean the Kennedy-esque shooting scene at the coronation or was there another assasination attempt?

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on May 12, 2008, 10:45:34 PM
In the assassination scene last week, Anne was walking through a crowded court chamber after Henry tossed her aside as she attempted to get him to confess to having a harem (this was shortly after Showtime provided a fantasy sequence of Henry with said harem, all of whom seemed to sport 16th century breast implants). Anne was clearly miffed because her guy-king was dissing her. There was a gloomy Catholic (naturally; someone should alert the Catholic League to this show, we're like the Tudor version of  al-Qaeda) in the crowd, and in the sequence he stepped forward and in slow motion drove a dagger into her. Lots of lingering blood shots, she crashed to the floor, and then it was all revealed to be a bad Catholic dream sequence. Which beats it being presented as historical truth, but come on.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on May 13, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
Somehow I am not the least bit surprised...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on May 18, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
In the assassination scene last week, Anne was walking through a crowded court chamber after Henry tossed her aside as she attempted to get him to confess to having a harem (this was shortly after Showtime provided a fantasy sequence of Henry with said harem, all of whom seemed to sport 16th century breast implants). Anne was clearly miffed because her guy-king was dissing her. There was a gloomy Catholic (naturally; someone should alert the Catholic League to this show, we're like the Tudor version of  al-Qaeda) in the crowd, and in the sequence he stepped forward and in slow motion drove a dagger into her. Lots of lingering blood shots, she crashed to the floor, and then it was all revealed to be a bad Catholic dream sequence. Which beats it being presented as historical truth, but come on.

Harem? Oh my...
And the whole erotic theme of a harem is myth. I read somewhere that life was more boring than intriguing behind the veil.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on June 08, 2008, 10:32:17 AM
Okay, so I watched most of the last episode of the second season because I wanted to get a good look at the actress playing Jane Seymour. Very pretty, though not as much as Jonathan. Of course, no one is, but still.

I did enjoy the fact that the Earl of Wiltshire was apparently freed from the Tower and told "walk yourself out". Presumably he locked the door behind him as he left.

Anne's actual death was well-played (I was dreading a Helena Bonham Carter "whoops, there goes the head!" moment), but it was very effective --- especially after her women (dressed like Edwardian maids,  for some reason) removed her earrings and necklace.

And there is an answer to the "when will Jonathan get fat?" debate. He plunged into a baroque fountain after proclaiming it the Fountain of Youth. Ponce de Leon, eat your heart out. So I suppose he will remain comely through Catherine Parr.

Did anyone else think that the infant Elizabeth, who wasn't three when her mother died, was being played by what looked like a thirty year-old midget?

2009 cannot arrive fast enough.

Simon
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 08, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
Am I imagining this or are they portraying Mark Smeaton as George Boleyn's love interest??
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on July 11, 2008, 08:22:38 PM
If they are, I must say: I am not the least bit surprised.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 14, 2008, 01:55:32 PM
Anyone finish watching the entire 2nd season? A friend of mine recorded it for me, but the last 2 episodes didn't come out :-(.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on July 26, 2008, 02:21:27 PM
It was pretty cool. Anne of Cleves, played by Brigitte Nielsen, fights her way into England and kills Jane Seymour with her bare hands. No, wait. She kills her with ninja stars. Much more true to the period. She and Thomas Cromwell are revealed to be vampires, the last remnants of a blood cult that began in ancient Egypt. They congratulate themselves upon the success of their vampire plot, little realizing that they are being overheard by Thomas and Edward Seymour, who are actually werewolves belonging to the cult that has opposed the evil vampires for all of these centuries. The Seymours and Anne/Cromwell battle it out on the roof of Hampton Palace during a banquet at which Henry is seduced by Katherine Howard, who is actually a time traveler from the 34th century, sent back in time to discover the secret of Henry's incredible youthfulness. The Seymours manage to behead Thomas Cromwell (veracity! Everywhere you go, historical veracity!), and Anne accepts her defeat and retires to the countryside, where she and Mary Boleyn, the Other Vampire Girl, found Hogwarts. Meanwhile, Katherine has succeeded in seducing Henry VIII, and they are married. But at the wedding a mysterious woman arrives to stop the ceremony. She claims to be Anne Bolyen, and to have been spirited out of the execution in the Tower by a compassionate guard when her head was only half-off. She has now returned, determined to claim her inheritance as a former Queen of England.

I think Voldemort makes his first appearance in Season 3. I, for one, am very excited.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on July 26, 2008, 03:59:54 PM
So its totally historically accurate then Simon!! Thank gawd for that.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Mari on July 26, 2008, 09:33:34 PM
Quote
ittle realizing that they are being overheard by Thomas and Edward Seymour, who are actually werewolves belonging to the cult that has opposed the evil vampires for all of these centuries. The Seymours and Anne/Cromwell battle it out on the roof


You ought to go in for screen writing. The movies would  buy it! Then all of us could watch
another historic Movie.  Slant it from the Seymour side this time...working title Seymours: Cult of Evil!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Tsarfan on July 29, 2008, 11:50:33 AM
It was pretty cool. Anne of Cleves, played by Brigitte Nielsen, fights her way into England and kills Jane Seymour with her bare hands.

Ah . . . British history as only Oliver Stone could grasp it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on July 29, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
Well, of course, the secret villain in the whole Tudor historical sequence was Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 29, 2008, 12:49:38 PM
No, it was Fidel Castro.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 31, 2008, 02:03:56 PM
In any case, the joke is on us, since The Tudors has been nominated for 2008 Emmy Awards... http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/20080717Emmy.do?source=m__tudors2_tudorshome_july08_emmynom?source=tudorspromo1
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 31, 2008, 02:07:02 PM
Could you die?   :P

Outstanding Casting For A Drama Series
The Tudors
Nuala Moiselle, Casting By
Frank Moiselle, Casting By
Mary Jo Slater, C.S.A., US Casting By
Steve Brooksbank, C.S.A., US Casting By
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on August 01, 2008, 10:31:25 PM
Four people were involved in casting this thing, and not one of them could locate a picture of Henry VIII to get some kind of fix on what he actually looked like? I would have liked to have sat in on a casting session, though.

"Can you say this line without giggling?"
"Let me try. 'Oh my Lord, you are so hot, Sire, I ----'. No, sorry."
"Quite all right. Next?"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on August 01, 2008, 10:57:36 PM
Hi,

Mary Jo Slater is the mother of actor Christian Slater and an intelligent woman.  If she had a hand in casting any of this, then she should hang her head in shame.  Nobody looks like they should in this series and it plays like a bad comedy.
I can only surmise that she was overruled in her choices of actors &actresses.
I certainly hope nobody wins Emmys for this junk;  but now-a-days Emmys and Oscars are given for garbage...

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 05, 2008, 06:59:48 PM
Hi,

Mary Jo Slater is the mother of actor Christian Slater and an intelligent woman.  If she had a hand in casting any of this, then she should hang her head in shame.  Nobody looks like they should in this series and it plays like a bad comedy.
I can only surmise that she was overruled in her choices of actors &actresses.
I certainly hope nobody wins Emmys for this junk;  but now-a-days Emmys and Oscars are given for garbage...

Larry

I believe they won the Golden Globe last year... So I wouldn't be that surprised if they win an Emmy this year. I mean, the fact that they were nominated for "Outstanding casting".. .Well, what more can you say. Perhaps Mary Jo is rusty on her English history.

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on August 13, 2008, 07:18:56 AM
I don't know wether this is old news but the singer, Joss Stone, is going to play the part of Anne of Cleves.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: FaithWhiteRose on August 13, 2008, 02:43:57 PM
It was pretty cool. Anne of Cleves, played by Brigitte Nielsen, fights her way into England and kills Jane Seymour with her bare hands. No, wait. She kills her with ninja stars. Much more true to the period. She and Thomas Cromwell are revealed to be vampires, the last remnants of a blood cult that began in ancient Egypt. They congratulate themselves upon the success of their vampire plot, little realizing that they are being overheard by Thomas and Edward Seymour, who are actually werewolves belonging to the cult that has opposed the evil vampires for all of these centuries. The Seymours and Anne/Cromwell battle it out on the roof of Hampton Palace during a banquet at which Henry is seduced by Katherine Howard, who is actually a time traveler from the 34th century, sent back in time to discover the secret of Henry's incredible youthfulness. The Seymours manage to behead Thomas Cromwell (veracity! Everywhere you go, historical veracity!), and Anne accepts her defeat and retires to the countryside, where she and Mary Boleyn, the Other Vampire Girl, found Hogwarts. Meanwhile, Katherine has succeeded in seducing Henry VIII, and they are married. But at the wedding a mysterious woman arrives to stop the ceremony. She claims to be Anne Bolyen, and to have been spirited out of the execution in the Tower by a compassionate guard when her head was only half-off. She has now returned, determined to claim her inheritance as a former Queen of England.

I think Voldemort makes his first appearance in Season 3. I, for one, am very excited.

Oh! And don't tell me... both Lestat and Edward Cullen come to avenge the death of Thomas Cromwell! ;-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on August 16, 2008, 08:15:59 AM
Oh! And don't tell me... both Lestat and Edward Cullen come to avenge the death of Thomas Cromwell! ;-)

Actually, Lestat was busy searching for the Vera Ikon in Canterbury, and got late to avenge no one...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on August 16, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
Okay, can we leave Lestat out of it? You people seem to be treating The Tudors as some kind of fictional work, instead of the serious history it is intended to be. Lestat did not appear in The Tudors. That was Armand. Sheesh, people. Pay attention.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on August 17, 2008, 05:14:24 AM
All my fault! How can I doubt the veracity of such a high quality work of art, that makes Henry Fitzroy to die at the age of 3!!!

Well, at least they didn't turn him into a vampire... Wait, another serie already did that...

That black sense of humor of mine...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 23, 2008, 01:22:01 PM
BTW, who is this "Elizabeth", Katherine of Aragon's maid, who hung herself? I am not even sure if she was the one who hung herself, it seemed that way, but wasn't very clear. If it wasn't her, then who was it who hung herself? And why?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Helen_Azar on August 23, 2008, 01:22:58 PM
Well, at least they didn't turn him into a vampire... Wait, another serie already did that...

Give them a chance, that could be coming up in Season 3....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Louis_Charles on August 23, 2008, 05:25:29 PM
BTW, who is this "Elizabeth", Katherine of Aragon's maid, who hung herself? I am not even sure if she was the one who hung herself, it seemed that way, but wasn't very clear. If it wasn't her, then who was it who hung herself? And why?

It was actually the actor, after realizing that she was appearing on The Tudors.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on August 24, 2008, 05:02:36 AM
BTW, who is this "Elizabeth", Katherine of Aragon's maid, who hung herself? I am not even sure if she was the one who hung herself, it seemed that way, but wasn't very clear. If it wasn't her, then who was it who hung herself? And why?

In the series Elizabeth Darrell hangs herself directly after Katherine's death. A poetical license, I would guess...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on September 12, 2008, 04:31:58 PM
Apologies in advance if this newsbite has already been posted.

I've just looked up "The Tudors" entry on Wikipedia which says it is running for a third series AND...Joss Stone (the UK blues singer) will be playing Anne of Cleves!!!!!  Bearing in mind how many liberties the series takes with the truth, maybe Henry will divorce her because he doesn't like her voice!

There's no mention of who will be playing Katherine Howard which suggests she won't be covered - a shame as her story is a good one.

To my shame I'm really enjoying this show.  We're well into series 2 here in the UK and Catherine of Aragon has just died.  I think if you can look past the dramatic licence and often ropey casting and just accept it as a bit of fluff then it's actually great fun.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 13, 2008, 11:10:46 AM
I just found the Tv serie a couple of months ago in the final of the seasson II. I just fell in love with the story, the characters, the costumes and  ambientations.

Now im watching the episody 2 os season III and i became an addict!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on September 27, 2008, 03:09:55 AM
If one forgest the slips here and there (uncle Courtenay is makes me grin, can't help, I'm a bit evil), it's a wonderful work. It's not a history book. If you want history, real one, you go to a libray. But, as entertainment, very visual, very appealing and attractive, it's first class.

And, hey, what the frogg. Some people may have learnt some pieces of history ;D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: libgirl2 on September 30, 2008, 06:07:57 AM
I have been hearing rumors that JRM is stepping down and they are considering how to deal with it. I hope its not true or if it is they hire a properly sized man for the role. I can't imagine the Tudors going on without THE Tudor! The link is:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26946793/
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kurt Steiner on October 01, 2008, 07:05:59 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26946793/

Forgive me for this silly joke, but can't help ;)

When I clicked the link and saw Britney Spears, during the second I failed to see that it had nothing to do with The Tudors, my heart got paralized. "Brittney? Catherine Howard?".

Horrifying idea. About the JRM rumour, I guess that it may have to do with the moment when Henry begins to change his aspect -what the frog, he should have looked not quite "younger" even in Season II- and grow fat. Well, who knows...

In my case, since Anne Boleyn was off, I lost a bit of interest on the issue, I must confess.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2008, 03:59:15 PM
Just enteratainment...It is.

I was surprised how they made Father Boleyn looked so evil. He was actually less pushy than Norfolk (Howard). He replaced Boleyn after he was disgraced , only to bring another of his nieces Catherine Howard to the scafford. Mother Boelyn (Lady Elizabeth Howard) was nowhere to be seen. I like the way Kristen Scott Thomas played Lady Elizabeth in "The Other Boleyn Girl." Even Philippa Gregory could not have created such a juicy role in her book.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Andrava on December 02, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
I've just joined the list, so I hope that I can post this comment without losing it into cyberspace!

One of the things that bothers me the most about "The Tudors" is that I'm positive that there are school teachers watching it and accepting some of it, if not all of it, as gospel.  It brings back memories of my own junior high history class, when I had to argue with my teacher ... he insisted that Henry's sister Mary was Mary, Queen of Scots. *shudder*

Of course there may also be students who watch it and plan to base research papers or examinations on what they have "learned" ...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 03, 2008, 03:44:15 AM
Mmm i can't wait for The Tudors Season 3    ::)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2008, 08:58:36 AM
Yes...they deliberately mixed it up. For example Mary Tudor was married to the King of France and after he died married Charles Brandon, Earl of Suffork. In the series, it was Margaret Tudor who married the King of Portugal who married Charles...


Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 03, 2008, 09:09:08 AM
Yes axactly i agree here
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
Yes...And the life of the real Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland, would have made agood subplot for the series.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 03, 2008, 04:30:40 PM
Hi Andrava,

I agree with you as I've already heard people discussing "The Tudors" and advancing wrong information.  It seems that if it's published in a book or magazine or worse, on TV, then it's gospel -ie- historically correct...

I have had to correct people who have gotten all the "Marys" mixed up.  Years ago, my boss advanced the information at a boardroom meeting that Elizabeth II was descended from 'Bloody Mary'...

Here in Canada, we are coming to the last episode of Season II next week, and so Anne Boleyn is on her way out!!
As far as the series goes, it is pretty good but historically flawed, and the only one I cheered for and now miss is Catherine of Aragon...

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 03, 2008, 04:31:27 PM
Well i was wondering something else....
Why SHOWTIME change this part ...Margaret Tudor married the king of Portogal and then she married Charles Brandon.... this is not true... so why they had changed it?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 03, 2008, 06:47:33 PM
Hi Irina,

Yes, I also wondered why they changed Margaret's story around and upside down like that.
Margaret Tudor's true story is already pretty interesting and as Eric has said, "They should make a mini-series out of that!!"....
All that turbulent Scotish history and all those husbands and her temper could prove interesting.

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 03, 2008, 08:44:03 PM

I'm positive that there are school teachers watching it and accepting some of it, if not all of it, as gospel.  It brings back memories of my own junior high history class, when I had to argue with my teacher ... he insisted that Henry's sister Mary was Mary, Queen of Scots. *shudder*


Hi Andrava.  Welcome to the forum!

That's terrible about your teacher.  I guess that maybe he was confusing Mary Queen of Scots with her grandmother, Margaret who was also Queen of Scotland.  It's still a howler though!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 03, 2008, 10:30:10 PM
Hi Irina,

Yes, I also wondered why they changed Margaret's story around and upside down like that.
Margaret Tudor's true story is already pretty interesting and as Eric has said, "They should make a mini-series out of that!!"....
All that turbulent Scotish history and all those husbands and her temper could prove interesting.

Larry

Hi Larry,

Thank you.... you are maybe right... because actually there is no reason to change such a big detail from history...but  nevertheless they are making it little hard for the new Tudors fans... if you can understand me... Some sort of that Anastasia movie for kids...now if i ask 10 years old boy or girl she/he will say to me "Anastasia survived... she is alive" Understand?

IrinaAlexandrovna
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2008, 08:04:29 AM
Yes..only in their fantasies...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: azrael7171918 on December 05, 2008, 05:04:23 AM

 I am curious if anyone has the Canadian edition of Season 2. I am in the States and Season 1 had very few extras in reference to the program. I found the Canadian edition had more that pertained to the series. I would like to know what Season 2 has in Canada since it has been released already.

Thanks

Azrael
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 05, 2008, 05:20:24 AM
Amm i can't answer you... I'm Living in Bulgaria (close to Russia) if someone else knew.... :\

Yes..only in their fantasies...

I agree.... but never mind it's great serial... ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2008, 08:35:16 AM
Interesting that they add more to the Canadian version ?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 05, 2008, 10:17:31 AM
Yes it's very interesting

I have one question

How long Anne B was queen and what age she die... And what age she become queen?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
Actually you can find that information on wikkipedia  ;) I think the courtship was longer than the marriage.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 05, 2008, 10:39:15 AM
Lool longer then her marrige....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2008, 01:18:10 PM
I think Anne lost her fasination once King Henry VIII had her bedded. Anne was never tactful enough to keep him long...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 05, 2008, 02:18:34 PM
Yes i think you are very right... But she wasn't easy... she wanted to show him that she doesn't want to be mistress... and she did it very well
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2008, 04:11:42 PM
Yes...Anne was a good mistress/girlfriend, but once married she fell into the trap of being a nagging wife.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 05, 2008, 04:44:33 PM
Well some how i understand why she become nagging wife... Because after all her husband is King Of England... and she always was worried is he true to her and is he sorry for the word "sleeping" with her ladies in waiting..... Probably that's why she become so "perky"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 05, 2008, 07:10:32 PM
Yes...Anne was a good mistress/girlfriend, but once married she fell into the trap of being a nagging wife.

Absolutely!  I think that was Anne's downfall.  When she was a mistress she had the added allure of being "forbidden fruit".  However, once she was his wife and Queen she had far more day to day intimacy with Henry and her forceful personality became ever more apprarent.  She was never going to be the sort of wife to him or any man who would turn a blind eye to mistresses or disrespectful treatment.  She was far too intelligent and strong willed.  Ultimately this, as well as her failure to produce the longed for son, drove Henry into the arms of Jane Seymour and Anne to the scaffold.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 08, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
Yes...Anne was a good mistress/girlfriend, but once married she fell into the trap of being a nagging wife.

You could be right... but don't you think she choice her destiny?I mean that she "felt into the trap" by her own will (and her father's ofcourse)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 09, 2008, 10:18:09 AM
I think she made her own bed and slept on it. The fact that her father and sister (Mary Boleyn) escaped in tact means that Anne was running her show. Only George was too close to her and signed his fate by a vengeful wife.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 09, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
Mmmm.... so so i agree.... bur Mary Boleyn was the first one which get out from that game... But yes her brother was closer to her... He knew almost everything about her...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 11, 2008, 03:36:10 PM
Jonathan Rhys Meyers was nominated for a Golden Globe today for his portrayal of Henry VIII in season two of "The Tudors".
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2008, 04:07:48 PM
He is one hot Henry VIII !
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 12, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Aww yes definetly... And for me Natalie and Helena Bonham Carter are the best actresses for Anne B
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2008, 08:52:28 AM
I don't think Helena ever did Anne Boleyn, but did "Lady Jane" instead.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 12, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Actually Helena BC did appear as Anne Boleyn in a UK production called "Henry VIII" about five years ago.  British actor Ray Winston played Henry and was terrible, but Helena was very good as Anne.  Another British actress Emily Blunt was also very good as Catherine Howard.  They have clips on youtube if you want to have a look.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 12, 2008, 03:33:24 PM
I heard about that production but never seen it. But I will take your word for it if you say she was good.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 12, 2008, 07:33:52 PM
She was good, but as I said, the production itself was fairly weak.  The one thing I remember, apart from HBC as Anne Boleyn and Emily Blunt as CH, was the execution of Thomas Cromwell which was really grisly!  Do have a look on youtube (for HBC and EB, not Thomas Cromwell!) as I think  you'll be impressed.

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 13, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
I don't think Helena ever did Anne Boleyn, but did "Lady Jane" instead.

Nooo she played Anne B in "Henry VIII" you should watch it here is a pictures of her ( I stole them from YT :D:D)
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/defaultCAWGCFUN.jpg)
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/defaultCAGKH598.jpg)
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/defaultCAGGYMKJ.jpg)

Couple of Hours before her execution... Here she was really beautiful
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/defaultCAG70ATJ.jpg)

Speaking with Henry
(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii116/olga_romanov/defaultCA4SSZAR.jpg)

Because i stole them they are little but if you want Eric i can put larger size
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 14, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Helena Bonham Carter was good (but then, she always is!).

My favorite is still Genvieve Bujold from "Anne of the Thousand Days".  She was perfect.

And, yes, I will be happy to see Jonathan Rhys Meyers at the Golden Globes, in a tux....Yum!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 14, 2008, 01:25:18 PM
Helena Bonham Carter was good (but then, she always is!).

My favorite is still Genvieve Bujold from "Anne of the Thousand Days".  She was perfect.

And, yes, I will be happy to see Jonathan Rhys Meyers at the Golden Globes, in a tux....Yum!

I never heard for this movie " Genvieve Bujold from "Anne of the Thousand Days"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 14, 2008, 03:14:12 PM
It is a fabulous film with PROPER actors. If you ever get a chance to see it you must. You will love it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 14, 2008, 03:35:32 PM
Aww i will look for it... i believe you i always fell inlove with such type of movies... but i was disappointed when i saw "The Other Boleyn Girl" i don't know why but i didn't like it
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 09:59:07 AM
Yes. Anne of a thousand days was a film that must be seen. It is good !
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 15, 2008, 10:30:54 AM
Ou you remind me to look for it :DD I forgot
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 01:29:33 PM
I am sure it available on Amazon.com.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 15, 2008, 01:39:12 PM
O i download it free on one bulgarian site www.zamunda.net
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
Don't know about that.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 15, 2008, 02:58:36 PM
Ofcourse you don't it's bulgarian that's why but there i can't find "Mistery Of The Romanovs"  i mean i have it but only marked with frozentears.org
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2008, 03:56:31 PM
I understand.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 15, 2008, 10:28:52 PM
But indeed amazon.com is good site
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 08:29:43 AM
Yes...I buy much from them.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 16, 2008, 09:05:07 AM
But the thing is that in zamunda.net everything is for free... or torrents.bg ( i'm not sure do i write it correct)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 09:34:41 AM
Well...no everything is free I guess.

I wonder what would be the storyline of the third season ?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 16, 2008, 12:18:21 PM
You are right...
I guess the story line in Season 3 will be... Jane pregnant with his son and heir how she die ( i guess this will happenen in 7-8 epissode or up ) and from there it will start little by little the story with the other wifes... I think there will be Season 4......
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 16, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
Aww i will look for it... i believe you i always fell inlove with such type of movies... but i was disappointed when i saw "The Other Boleyn Girl" i don't know why but i didn't like it

May I recommend "Anne of the Thousand Days" in a two DVD set where it was paired with "Mary Queen of Scots".  "Mary Queen of Scots" starred Vanessa Redgrave as Mary and Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth I, and many other fine actors.  "Mary" is not as historically accurate as "Anne", but still heads and shoulders above anything being produced today.  Redgrave is a wonderful Mary and the John Barry score is great.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 16, 2008, 03:30:42 PM
I have watched "Mary Queen of Scots" but i haven't watched Anne of the Thousand Days.... Those weekend i will do this ;]
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2008, 03:56:14 PM
You would enjoy it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 16, 2008, 04:29:24 PM
I have watched "Mary Queen of Scots" but i haven't watched Anne of the Thousand Days.... Those weekend i will do this ;]


Please do and I hope you enjoy,then maybe we can get back to the topic?????
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 17, 2008, 02:09:28 AM
Sure we can ;)
So Eric or  Kimberly do you know when the new series are comming?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 08:03:37 AM
Soon. Thesecond seriesis coming on DVD. That is clear indication.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 17, 2008, 10:17:52 AM
But there is not a date?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 17, 2008, 10:43:07 AM
Hi,

Season II just ended last week here in Canada and both Seasons are being advertised as available now.
However, I wouldn't buy this series:
1) Henry doesn't look like Henry
2) Brandon is too evident everywhere, when he shouldn't be
3) I never got over poor Margaret shipped off to Portugal and murdering the King

Although the production is lush and the costumes great, it isn't my 'cup of tea'...

The only great thing about this show is Catherine of Aragon and she wasn't even nominated for anything and should have been....

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 17, 2008, 11:02:53 AM
Hmm we know all that but still i love Henry VIII is SHOWTIME's Production... Johnaton is so handsome i love him in Bend it like Bekcham
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 17, 2008, 02:12:14 PM
I think Brandon is quite outstanding too. I forgot the actor playing him. He is both good looking and a good actor.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: ivanushka on December 17, 2008, 09:07:15 PM
Apparently in series 3 the English soul singer Joss Stone plays Anne of Cleves.  I'm not sure who, if anyone, is playing Catherine Howard.  I hope that they do cover that story.  After Anne Boleyn the Catherine Howard saga is the most interesting in the marital life of Henry VIII (in my humble opinion anyway).    What do other forum members think?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 05:22:26 AM
I think Brandon is quite outstanding too. I forgot the actor playing him. He is both good looking and a good actor.

 Henry Cavill  is playing Brandon but i forgot about him he is more then good looking :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 08:06:56 AM
Yes. Handsome. Also I like the story on Brandon was expanded, he was the boon friend that seldom made an appearance in Henry VIII movies or plays.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 08:45:44 AM
Exactly... But why i can't see Brandon in "Henry VIII" If watched this movie.... The movie is briliant
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 09:44:57 AM
No...He is in this series, but you did not see him in "The Other Boleyn Girl", "Anne of A Thousand Days"...etc. Brandon wasone of Henry VIII's friends that remained close till his death.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
I guess so... In "The Other Boleyn Girl" i definetly didn't saw him.... i have to check again in "Henry VIII"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 11:31:58 AM
I don't think he was there too. He is often overlooked.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 03:40:56 PM
Well i can't see him in those two movies.... He is missing...which makes the movie "not full"
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2008, 03:57:04 PM
Well...Most of those did not show Mary Tudor, Queen of France too. Alrthough she was a main attraction to Henry, who adored his youngest sister.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 18, 2008, 03:58:37 PM
Agree but just like in the Romanov movies ... nothing is exactly the same...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 19, 2008, 09:36:03 AM
Yes...I hope they make something more realistic.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 19, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
Well i'm still waiting :D .... but i don't think they will
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 19, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
Exactly... But why i can't see Brandon in "Henry VIII" If watched this movie.... The movie is briliant


Brandon was married to Henry's sister Mary, who was a strong supporter of Catherine of Aragon.  Thus, tension between the families were high during Anne's reign.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 20, 2008, 05:26:12 AM
Yes... it's made a mistake in The Tudors ... There Gabrielle Anwar played Henry's sister Margaret Tudor....that's why it's mixed... ;)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 20, 2008, 02:15:43 PM
Yes... it's made a mistake in The Tudors ... There Gabrielle Anwar played Henry's sister Margaret Tudor....that's why it's mixed... ;)

"The Tudors" is great fun, but it is completely inaccurate historically.

Enjoy it as complete fluff, but be prepared to forget almost everything about it if you want to understand Henry VIII and Tudor England.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 20, 2008, 02:26:02 PM
Well before The Tudors i have seen "Henry VIII" and i had read About Anne,Henry etc.... So i'm not new in that aria.... I just like the movie ... the costumes and everything and the actiors too.... and yes there are many "completely inaccurate historically" just like in The Romanov's movies!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 20, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
Yes... it's made a mistake in The Tudors ... There Gabrielle Anwar played Henry's sister Margaret Tudor....that's why it's mixed... ;)

"The Tudors" is great fun, but it is completely inaccurate historically.

Enjoy it as complete fluff, but be prepared to forget almost everything about it if you want to understand Henry VIII and Tudor England.


Oh, thank you for that Boleynfan.....you beat me to it.:-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2008, 10:49:07 AM
Yes...I am sad they did not play the Margaret Tudor of Scotland theme. She was a real charecter and would made the series more spicy. She did have three husband too...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 21, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
Well what can we do? SHOWTIME production decide it... for them is better like that...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 21, 2008, 11:15:42 AM
The BBC or Chanel Four and do another of their own...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 21, 2008, 03:39:18 PM
No, No, No. Enough already. BBC and channel 4 and anybodyelse, need to look to the Plantagenets for their ".next big thing".
I have heard a rumour that there is a project to make a programme of the life of Richard III. (Don't know who it is doing it).
Richard Armitage is the frontrunner to play Richard.
Girls... (and boys)...be ready to swoon cos here he is:
http://www.daemonstv.com/images/bbc/richard_armitage_interview.jpg (http://www.daemonstv.com/images/bbc/richard_armitage_interview.jpg)

And once more cos its Christmas;
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/MsBonou2/Richard%20Armitage/Richard_Armitage_in_whitemyspace-1.jpg (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/MsBonou2/Richard%20Armitage/Richard_Armitage_in_whitemyspace-1.jpg)

:-) :-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on December 21, 2008, 06:02:34 PM
Hi Kimberly,

Thanks for letting us know about Richard III and the Plantagenets.  I hope they make it and don't make Richard out to be too bad a villain.  And, please leave off the hump!!
I have often wondered whether he was as awful as portrayed and if he did away with 'the Princes in the Tower'....
I don't think Henry VII was so alfired lily-white pure either and certainly could have killed the boys.  Although I tend to think he didn't since he married their sister.

I have never heard of Richard Armitage, so thanks for giving us his picture - - I think he looks just like RIII and will make a good one......

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 22, 2008, 02:28:17 PM
I think Richard III was quite the villian. The first proof was the way he robbed his mother-in-law of her inheritage. After Warrick died, Richard and his greedy brother George divied their wives inheritance without consideration to their mother-in-law, Countess Anne beauchamp (who was the original heiress). They left her jailed and penniless.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 22, 2008, 03:05:39 PM
Utter rubbish!! She lived at Richard and Anne's beloved Middleham Castle after leaving Beaulieu.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 22, 2008, 03:14:21 PM
Yes...I am sad they did not play the Margaret Tudor of Scotland theme. She was a real charecter and would made the series more spicy. She did have three husband too...
Yes, Eric.  There is a subject for a fascinating show!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
Countess Anne was only allowed to live with her daughter later. Her whole inheritance was taken away from her. It was in the history books.

Actually not only was Margaret Tudor good subject. Her daughter Margaret Albany also was quite a charecter, not to mention Catherine Grey and Frances Brandon...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on December 23, 2008, 11:32:03 AM
I was referring to your final sentence Eric.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 23, 2008, 11:36:19 AM
I think it was the wishes of Duchess of Gloucester (Anne Neville) rather than the kindness of Richard III that Countess Anne was rescued. Anyway he had took half of her money, it would be good if he at least give her shelter.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on December 29, 2008, 12:30:00 PM
Just found this posted.  "Showtime has put together a Tudors quiz that tells you which position you'd hold on the show" Thought everyone might enjoy it.  I'm a nun...

http://www.whothetudorareyou.com/
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
Cool !I am a Merchant.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 29, 2008, 02:49:42 PM
Axaxaxa i'm Lady In Waiting :D .... Not bad ...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
Not bad...I could be Papa Boleyn and you could be Jane Seymour or Katherine Howard.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 29, 2008, 03:31:41 PM
Xaxa yes it would be fun :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Indeed...I wonder who will play Katherine Howard ?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 30, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
Let's see who played in that quiz and how the quiz describe him :)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2008, 02:07:56 PM
Who ?

Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 30, 2008, 02:18:13 PM
Still waiting to see :D For now it's just you and me :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 31, 2008, 01:20:01 PM
It is quite an amusing game.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on December 31, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Xixix yes.... Happy New Year Eric and to all =]
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
Yes...Can't wait for the next season to come !
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 02, 2009, 12:32:34 PM
Which month it will come?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2009, 03:59:16 PM
Don't know.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 02, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Too bad... so sad... I wish i knew... but at less we know the year :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Cathy on January 03, 2009, 10:42:31 AM
After 35 pages of posts on the subject, one may wonder why I am now getting into the thread!!
I love the series 'The Tudors' although I admit it is American in content and portrayal. But it is a good show to watch in an evening.
I have just watched Elizabeth with Cate Blanchet and I loved it!
I have also just watched 'The Other Boleyn Sister' (I think that was the title) which was so American and not a keeper but OK to watch.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 03, 2009, 10:47:45 AM
Well lets become at less 40 to start new topic...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Or we can talk about other things in the show.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 06:21:52 AM
I think the new series will be available after few months ?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2009, 09:08:59 AM
Yes. it is coming soon. I saw pics of it in a magazine already. The marriage secene with Jane Seymour.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
Really :O
Do you have printer :D :D?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 16, 2009, 02:37:21 PM
Yes. it is coming soon. I saw pics of it in a magazine already. The marriage secene with Jane Seymour.

To what you wrote... Actually, Jane was never legally queen of England. Her coronation never happened because it got deferred by the plague, her pregnancy and the birth of Edward. So saying Jane was only queen for a few days is wrong because she was never queen (really) at all. This could be why Henry VIII is buried next to her. He could think of her as his wife, not his queen (someone after the crown).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
Jane was Queen because she did marry Henry VIII.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
But her coronation never happened .... As his other wives...  Only Anne B and Catherine of Aragon were crowned.... Yes tey were married but this don't make them official crowned....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:11:51 PM
But still Queen. Henrietta Maria was never crown too, but she was married to Charles I, so she was Queen of England.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
Hmm...... I always thought when you are not crowned you are not official queen...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:14:51 PM
Not really. The coronation solidified the position, but even a coronation cannot save Anne Boylen...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 05:19:02 PM
Indeed....
Is true Henry hit Jane when she was pregnant and she gave birth prematurely?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
I don't think so. Maybe in the series ? He adored her.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 18, 2009, 10:33:30 PM
In the movie "Henry VIII" He hit her.... but i searched for that information and couldn't find  it.....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 09:07:11 AM
I don't think he did. SometimesTV & movie take liberties on actual events. Jane was heavily preganant and Henry was careful that this time there are no glitches.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 19, 2009, 10:35:35 AM
Indeed....
Is true Henry hit Jane when she was pregnant and she gave birth prematurely?



Oh good grief, where on earth did you get that idea from????
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on January 19, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
Was it that dreadful "Henry VIII" with Ray Winstone, which also depicted him raping Anne Boleyn?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:08:46 PM
I think it must be that one. I saw the dvd jacket and didn't buy that one. He was depicted as a boor in that.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 01:17:47 PM
Indeed....
Is true Henry hit Jane when she was pregnant and she gave birth prematurely?



Oh good grief, where on earth did you get that idea from????

 I explained  it was in the movie... And As boleynfan Asked in that movie Henry raped Anne and thats how she got pregnant with boy... which she lost
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Not a good nor acurate depiction.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
I don't think Henry would do such a thing.. Anne was nasty sometimes but i haven't read anywhere she was raped....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
No...just to spice up a movie...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 19, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
Yep, just try to remember, these "movies" are, only very roughly based, on the facts!!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 19, 2009, 02:08:14 PM
Indeed...Not to mention the Tudors...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 19, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
Yep, just try to remember, these "movies" are, only very roughly based, on the facts!!

Indeed thanks Kimberly.... I never believed he did it... just i remember because i was looking again that movie and saw it......Here are moments of that movie.... A little part uploaded by a friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1jjhW9_s2c
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 20, 2009, 01:43:20 PM
Thanks. Although I think Helena was a bit old when she played Anne...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 20, 2009, 02:03:27 PM
Indeed i have read that they put her many powder on her face to hide one wrinkle on her forehead :D Poor Helena
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 10:05:15 AM
Poor Helena...I think Emily Blunt could have played her better.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 10:54:11 AM
Oo indeed she was going to be better... but in that Holmark Production Helena played Anne pretty well ... she showed Anne in other light.... and from all movie about Henry and Anne only in that i saw her fiance (Purssy or how it is writing.... i don't know)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2009, 11:05:20 AM
Percy. Henry Algernon Percy, later 6th Earl of Northumberland.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 11:11:15 AM
Yes sorry english is not my native so i didn't know how exactly to write it....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
You are very welcome Irina, I think your English is pretty good so don't worry.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:24:49 PM
No...He appeared in "The Other Boleyn Girl" too...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
I didn't saw him there..... my mistake... just don't like the movie... there everything is happening too fast and if you haven't read about Anne you won't understand everything....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:34:15 PM
He was...He returned to the court scene to condemn her death. He was also in "Anne of a Thousand Days"...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
i downloaded that movie but still didn't watch it..... don't have enough time with all those exams....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:37:13 PM
Watch it and there is bedding scene that Anne sealed the deal of marriage with Percy.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:42:39 PM
I see... there was that scene in "Henry VIII"..... but not 100% sure.... 40% :D
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:44:25 PM
It would make sense. Henry Percy was really there according to history.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:46:05 PM
But just in the begining... after Anne married Henry... he disappeared.. i have read somewhere he married......
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:47:14 PM
A girl from the Talbort family, the marriage was unhappy.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
The first stays in your heart forever....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
But Anne got over him and went directly for power and ambition.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 01:10:02 PM
Indeed but did he forgot her?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2009, 01:16:21 PM
He was married to Mary Talbot. It was by all accounts an unhappy marriage with no children being born to the pair. Henry was a member of the "jury" who convicted Anne.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 01:21:20 PM
Henry was a member of the "jury" who convicted Anne.

And here something is missing to me... Why he exactly convicted her? Did he do it to revenge her that she chose Henry VIII in front him.... (which will be very stupid reason) or he believed in what they were saying about her that she was witch?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
It was what was required.Henry needed to wed and bed Seymour with no ex wife hanging around.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
Aaa i see....Thank you for the info..
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
Wouldn't know what pass through Percy's mind when he condemn her to death.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 21, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
Probably it was profitably to him.... I guess Henry VIII gave him some price...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on January 21, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
Doubt it very much.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 21, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
It was more the king's command.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 01:01:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BieBbHgj1hI

Trailer of Season two by me...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2009, 01:29:16 PM
Thanks...Loved it.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on January 29, 2009, 01:49:53 PM
Thank you very much :)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2009, 02:18:36 PM
It is always great entertainment...only.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 25, 2009, 02:22:46 AM
One great tribute which i found on YT and ofcourse favorited....About Anne and Elizabeth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6qR3EWjeKI&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 25, 2009, 11:11:56 AM
This show may have contained many historical inaccuracies but if it could perk the interest of regular people in history at all that, in my opinion, is good. It was not designed to stand up to history buffs, after all we unfortunately do not make up a majority of the population. It was designed for laymen.

I am just glad to see a period show do so well. It is extremely hard for period shows to make it and last (in the US). Again I can recognize that the show's depiction of the period may be stylized for modern consumption, but the very most basic features of the real saga are shown. Perhaps some guy sitting in Cleveland thought Anne was hot, started watching the series and now is on here reading the real story with a new found interest in European Royalty.


by the way..I thought Thomas More's character was great. My definite favorite. Of course you knew all the characters fates from the start, but I still found myself sobbing during his execution.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 25, 2009, 11:18:28 AM
and yeah the shows going to have to come to an end before Myers gets fat. He has got a long way to go.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2009, 05:46:58 PM
In truth...He should be fat already.

Anne was hot, even if we look at her portrait today. She seem to have a bewitching smile.
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 27, 2009, 02:35:26 AM
Indeed....
To me as i said "Henry VIII" is the best movie portraiting Catherine Anne Henry Jane etc...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2009, 11:11:40 AM
Which one ?
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 27, 2009, 02:11:04 PM
"Henry VIII"
If you look in the old pages you will see photos from the movie...Little but still something
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 27, 2009, 04:53:08 PM
Not the Helena Bonham Carter one...She could be Dragula's mother with that powdered face...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 28, 2009, 05:35:12 AM
Hah but if you haven't watched it....you should....it's one of the movies closer to the history
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on February 28, 2009, 08:38:59 AM
Its showing again tonight and tomorrow over here in the UK. From what I remember...it is a load of pants (as we Brits say).
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 28, 2009, 09:20:17 AM
Mmm for very first time i saw it on Hallmark Channel....it was on two parts
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
I don't think the actor who played Henry VIII was attractive. The real one in history may not be Adonis, but he was "the most handsome Prince in Christiandom" in his youth. The cover make him look like a dud...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 28, 2009, 03:14:49 PM
Well not everybody is pretty... So at less he played him good...this is the important thing...and he looked more alike to Henry then JRM in The Tudors....Because Henry when he met Anne was around 30-40....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on February 28, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
Actually, I think Ray Winstone's looks were right on the money........it was his yahoo football hooligan accent that grated !!!!!!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on February 28, 2009, 03:46:06 PM
Yes indeed true...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: boleynfan on February 28, 2009, 04:39:47 PM
I thought Winstone was one of the least convincing Henry's VIII have ever seen.  No "handsomest prince" here...he gave me the creeps!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Kimberly on February 28, 2009, 04:47:34 PM
Horses for courses as they say......he's dreamy...if you like a bit of rough :-)
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 28, 2009, 06:57:45 PM
No really...I saw clips of it. Henry VIII was proud of his good looks, physique and legs...Not much of that here. To top it off he wrote music and loved a good joke. I think by the time Anne met him he was in his prime. After the near death fall, he was never the same.
Title: SHOWTIME Production The Tudors Season 3
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 07, 2009, 05:16:46 AM
Amazing news!

The series "The Tudors" is already online with Season 3... I will upload the first episode on YT very very soon..Look forward to see it  :)
Title: Re: SHOWTIME Production The Tudors Season 3
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 07, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
Can't delete the post
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: alixaannencova on April 07, 2009, 04:39:14 PM
I saw Episode one of series three last night and could not believe that apart from a caterpillar like think now gracing his upper lip, Jonny RM looks exactly the same as he did in the first series!!!! I appreciate that asking actors to go on binges to pile on the pounds is not encouraged anymore, but surely Jonny could have been put into a semblance of a fat suit by now surely! IMHO this show is getting into the realms of outright fantasy now!

I for one have tolerated all the past liberties taken in this show, but really, now it really is suspending believe and integrity! I understand that one Lady Ursula Misselden, a possible foxy minx, will become the King's mistress perhaps! Why bring in a fictitious character? This really is turning into 'Happy History'.

Very disappointed in the show...though it was obvious from the start that it was never going to win awards for either accuracy or integrity, so I don;t know why I am presently so peeved about it...but I am!
 
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 07, 2009, 04:53:40 PM
I saw it too and i really knew it won't be that good as season 1 and 2.....
Quote
one Lady Ursula Misselden, a possible foxy minx, will become the King's mistress perhaps! Why bring in a fictitious character? This really is turning into 'Happy History'.

Really?I also thought this by the way he looked her when he had dinner with Jane....
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Vecchiolarry on April 07, 2009, 05:39:22 PM
Hi,

We haven't gotten any viewings yet in Canada of Series III.  But, I can just bet it will decline into the dregs of bad fiction....
I just laugh at it all and only watched for Catherine of Aragon.
After she popped off, I continued on to poor Anne Boleyn and her exit, but may only now watch if nothing else is on..

The only gripe I have about this whole non-history silliness is that people actually will believe it and you can't tell them differently because they saw it on television!!!

Larry
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: alixaannencova on April 07, 2009, 06:55:33 PM
Yes Irina A. according to tudorwiki Lady Ursula will become the King's mistress, though I really do wonder about the veracity of this! I note that in episode 3 of the Series 3, Lady Ursula apparently says to her 'beau', the nefarious Sir Francis Bryan "don't touch me, noli me tangere, for Caesar's I am." So I guess this fictional character may well get into a steamy clinch with the still ludicrously 'yummy' Henry, who in real life would have been pushing forty five and no doubt piling on the pounds by this time! Still, I wouldn't mind having been in actress Charlotte Salt's shoes, if this is the case! Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind having been any of the shoes of the lucky actresses, who were cast to play Henry's other wives,lucky things that they are!....Oooo...hang on..... Grabbing my fan as I swoon ..Ahhh...that's better!

 Having calmed down, I must say that I have only seen Episode one Series 3 online and am hoping that the following episodes will be shared in time! I only really watch it now for the eye candy....Henry Cavill who plays Suffolk is really too lush for his own good too! It almost criminal in my opinion to try a distract from the flaws of the series by casting such luscious actors, but sometimes this ploy, if it is indeed one, seems to work, well on me that is anyway...Hugh Cavill is my favourite in the whole show and he is wonderful as Suffolk.... Oh dear!! Now where on earth did I put my fan? I had it a moment ago!!!!!
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: alixaannencova on April 08, 2009, 12:38:56 AM
See...there I go getting carried away as I grope for my fan!!! I meant Henry Cavill...heaven knows where I got the name Hugh from!


Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 08, 2009, 05:26:13 AM
Ahh thank you for the information and for making it clear....So it may be interesting that season...
Title: Re: New Showtime series about the Tudors
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 10, 2009, 07:33:23 AM
Didi somebody watched The Tudors Episode 2? Everywhere i'm finding only 1
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: ilyala on April 21, 2009, 03:03:11 PM
I've watched the first three episodes of the series and have come to a compromise with myself.

The truth is that I'm a person that tends to cringe when there are historical inaccuracies - especially at the level of The Tudors. The princess Mary/Margaret bit still annoys me, two years afterward. And many other things still annoy me.

But I have to say - and I know that this is a compromise... They do manage to portray Henry's personality quite accurately. Yes, the facts are amazingly wrong - and yet if you are intelligent to just read between the lines (and are willing to do so, obviously) you will see similarities with Henry VIII's behaviour.

First of all, he's managing to be a very convincing spoiled brat - we get to understand how his thinking works, and still see that he is a spoiled brat. And Henry VIII was a spoiled brat.

Then we see Anne Boleyn for what she was - cold blooded enough to seduce the king, but still human. I'm grateful they managed to resist the temptation of making her actually sleep with George, something The Other Boleyn Girl has so ickingly decided to present. That was an image I didn't need again.

Jane Seymour is sweet and yet calculated - just like I thought she was. Catherine of Aragon is pathetic in her continuous love for a man who only managed to harm her. Mary is a child torn between the love of her father and the love for her eternal soul.

If you ignore the perpetual youth of Henry VIII (which I agree is totally inaccurate - I wonder if they are going to keep him young till Catherine Howard. That would totally be unfair cause I think the way the king aged was an important aspect on how his marriage to Catherine Howard worked out), if you ignore useless fictional characters, if you ignore the fact that key people in history were simply deleted from the story (the Scotland faction, the real princess Margaret, princess Mary's descendants...) and just look at it as it is - you might get not an accurate image of the facts, but an accurate impression on characters and atmosphere at court in those days.

I am grateful that Henry VIII is not presented through the idealistic views of soooo many historians throughout time. I always thought he did more harm than good to his country - and as an avid fan of his father - I think he destroyed what his predecessors did. Just compare England when Henry VII died with England when Henry VIII died. By the way it's playing out, I have a feeling the decay will be presented accordingly. Or at least I hope it will. And hopefully, at least one in ten watchers will have the curiousity to read a history book after watching this.
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 25, 2009, 01:53:24 PM
Just watched and the 4 epissode.... The dead of Jane brought tears in my eyes..... Really touching
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Royal Bulgaria on April 25, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
I uploaded Jane's death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQuyL2sugB4&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: New Tudor series
Post by: Kimberly on April 28, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
Hi all, I am locking this thread  so please continue on the new one.