Nobility who were not "high ranking" also lost their lives with the encroachment of red terror. It is not fair to isolate one group above the others who could also claim nobility.
Let us not forget those who were imprisoned and forced to remain as stateless citizens for the rest of their lives until they died without their their identity, not in exile, but placed into exile.
It was a slower more agonizing death.
Thank you kindly Belochka for offering this statement. It's hard for many to understand who are and not personally or had relatives who went through these issues. Thank God only a portion of the world had to experience the 'red terror'. Outside of these boards, or reading historical offerings, or first person interviews, it still is not enough for the world to comprehend the excessive horrors of those long years of hell.
Yes, the difficult parts were not only imprisonment, but can anyone here truly understand what it means to remain stateless forever, w/o identity, in exile ?
Thank you again for helping to maintain and keep the flame alive in rememberance of all whom were continually plauged [as well countless millions murdered]by all that the red terror forced on so many lives, all ages. It is the least we can offer in remembrance to them, and to make sure the world never forgets.
Tatiana+
Very sad! :'( Any more information on Princess Maria Scherbatoff? Thank you :)
Maria Scherbatova was an immense heiress (to approximately 8/15 of the immense fortune of her grandfather Count Stroganov.Her maternal grandfather was Nicholas I.One of her daughters in law was the daughter of Count Peter Stoyplin ( she escaped).Another nee Princess Sophia Wassiltchikova was widowed in 1915 but managed to escape with her 4 small daughters.
I agree with you totally Tatiana. That is the reason I will be continuing my research into the noble victims of the Communists. If there is no place to see there names and remember them, then they and the crimes perpetrated against them will be forgotten.
David
All very barbaric. :( Thank you for the information!
Alexander Stroganov-Scherbatoff 1881-1915 died as a result of wounds suffered in battle.His widow Princess Sophia nee Princess Wassiltchikoff1897- 1927 settled in France with her 4 daughters.
This is not quiet right. Princess Maria Scherbatoff was the daughter of Count Gregory Stroganoff. She was the heiress to the Palazzo Stroganoff in Rome and Priceless art collection. She had one son Vladimir and one daughter Alexandra. Her daughter in law was Stoypin's daughter. She escaped with her two daughters, Olga and Maria to Rome.
The second Princess was Princess Olga Scherbatoff, daughter of Count Alexander Stroganoff who was elder brother of Gregory Stroganoff mentioned above. She inherited the vast perm lands as well as Stroganoff palace on Nevsky. Her son was Alexander Stroganoff-Scherbatoff (i am not sure if he was killed in revolution as he died in 1915). Her daughter in law was Princess Wassiltchikoff. Her daughters were Marie, Olga, Sophie and the only one living - Baroness Xenia de Ludinghausen.
Nicholas I was grandfather of different Maria Stroganoff , she married Count Sheremetev. She was second cousin to both Scherbatoff Princesses.
About Maria Scherbartoff, i was looking for info on her death for a long time. I finally found it on this site. Princess Alexandra was a great beauty and Prince Galitzine wanted to marry her. He describes their murder on this page -
More info on Gregory Stroganoff and Scherbatoff is in this article -
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050711fa_fact
I did find one other prince who was killed in action according to many sources in Yaroslav of all places in 1915. What happened in this city in 1915? Riots, a mutiny of soldiers? It was so far east that the Germans or Austrians never were in the area?
HSH Prince Konstantin Aleksandrovich Bagration-Mukhransky, Coronet in the Chevalier Guards Regiment; Lieutenant and Aide-de-Camp to HIM Emperor Nikolai II and then promoted to Captain in the Erivansky Grendiers Regiment. Killed in action at Yaroslav on 1 June 1915.
However, after the Revolution, The Academy of Arts was taken over by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks had the audacity to claim the "Villa Abamelek" as legal heirs (Such shameless people!!!). After a long legal battle, Bolsheviks finally won and Villa Abamelek became that home of the Soviet ambassador.
This is grotesque and barbaric, all noble families be murdered only for they was of a member of noble families, like to the French Revolution - there was a lot of low and high noble families executioned.
Who had give the order to executioned of these
Russian noble families?
Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)
Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.
Lenin caused his own death by contracting an STD.
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Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)
Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.
1) Two sons of Count SD Sheremetev, Boris and Dimitri were murdered at ostafievo.
I would like others to add to this list. Did all others manage to escape?
Hello,
Reading sometime ago I came across the Russian Nobility Association. I would think that there were now no nobles left in Russia, unless very brave and lucky, and wondered who the Association was and it's aims. Many people descended today wold or may have use of their titles and perhaps this is to keep a record of who is who?
Michael HR
I dont think you are thick. Here is the following quotation -
" There were many Balls and I soon got aquainted with all St.Petersburg society. I had a private income of 5.000 roubles a year, and out of this I had to buy all my uniforms, keep two horses, so that was cutting it very fine, but I had no debts so I could just manage. In the autumn I went on leave to Yakshino and hunted with my borzois with the Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich next door. Life was very free and I lived very well. Soon I was to meet my second cousin Princess Alexandra Alexeevna Shcherbatoff. She was the most beautiful creation and quite outstanding in every way. Many in St.Petersburg sought her hand but she was quite unattainable, or rather her mother, Aunt Mary Shcherbatoff, nee Stroganov. She had so much influence on her daughter that the latter could decide nothing without her mother's approval. When I saw her for the first time, I saw a being not of this world, before she became charming and attractive. I fell madly in love with her as I had never been in love before. At last I proposed to her and she having consulted ?her mother, told me we would have to wait and that she would let me know later. Soon after she had to go to Nemirovka, their country estate. I was prepared to wait and wait for her answer patiently, and so for a whole year, until her brother, Dima, at last came to me and told me she still couldn't decide and he gave me to understand that I was free to do as I pleased. My circle of friends all told me that nothing would come of it and that they couldn't bear to look at me and how patiently I waited and advised me to forget this crazy scheme, as they called my romance. I was not permitted to write to her, but for me this was a great blow and I suffered terribly ! Sandra was two years older than me and obeyed her mother unquestionably, so it was quite clear that if her mother had found me suitable, so would Sandra have done the same. Apart from myself there were others, for instance Count Olsoufieff, a member of the Government Council and some neighbour landowner of whom Aunt Mary approved, but since Sandra was not in love with them nothing came of those either. During the Revolution, the mother, Sandra and Dima were brutally murdered at Nemirovki. They say that when Princess Maria Gregorievna Shcherbatoff came out of the house to speak to the mutineers together with Sandra, they were murdered on the spot. Dima was hidden by one of the forresters in the woods, but when he was found he suffered the same fate. Sandra was a very special person with very high ideals, but completely under her mother's influence. In addition she was a great beauty and resembled her Great Grandmother Pototzki who was famous for her beauty and her portrait was often painted by all the great masters of her time. After that failure I was very downhearted, but went without stopping to the little house of Peter the Great to pray to God and ask for his guidance. The words of the New Testament especially impressed me "ask and it shall be given unto you, knock and it will open unto you". Then when I decided to ask for Katia Carlow's hand, I used to listen to the priest at mass and I decided that if he mentioned the names Vladimir and Catherine (the founders of the Russian Orthodox Faith) it meant HE had approved my choice ! I seem to remember that the names Vladimir and Alexandra were never mentioned together ! Whereas the names of Vladimir and Catherine I often heard and which gave me a good lead for my new choice and strengthened my purpose. "
Prince Mikhail Sergeevich Lopuhin, arrested and shot in the Summer of 1918 in Moscow by the ChKa.