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Title: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 08, 2006, 05:42:18 PM
I wanted to know which high ranking nobles were killed during the revolution. From what i see, most of high ranking nobles like Yussupovs, orlov-davydovs, vorontsovs and stroganovs escaped safetly during the revolutions. I know a few who were killed

1) Two sons of Count SD Sheremetev, Boris and Dimitri were murdered at ostafievo.
2) Princess Maria Scherbatoff nee Stroganoff along with her children Alexandra and Vladimir were killed at their estate in ukraine.
3) Prince SS Abamelek-Lazarev was murdered by bolsheviks in caucasus.
4) One of Princes Ourousoff was also killed.

I would like others to add to this list. Did all others manage to escape?
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 08, 2006, 09:38:46 PM
Thousands of nobles died during the October Revolution, and the Civil War and the Stalinist Purges, some additional names for your list:

Prince Mikhail Sergeevich Lopuhin, arrested and shot in the Summer of 1918 in Moscow by the ChKa.

Prince Mikhail Aleksandrovich Golitsyn of the White Cossack Forces. Arrested and shot in 1918.

Prince Konstantin Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Kiev, 1931.

Prince Aleksander Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Lipetske, 1937.

Prince Dmitri Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Dzheskazgan, 1938.

Prince Mikhail Vasilievich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in 1937.

Prince Vladimir Lvovich Golitsyn, shot in 1937.

Prince Vladimir Sergeevich Trubetskoy, shot on 30 October 1937.

Prince Petr Petrovich Urusov, died in a prison camp at Tomsk, 1936.

Prince Andrei Petrovich Urusov, arrested and shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Aleksander Dmitievich Shirinsky-Shihmatov, died at Kuban in 1920 while serving with the White Army.

Prince Andrei Mikhailovich Obolensky, arrested at Orenburg as a counter-revolutionary on 7 September 1937; died 27 November 1937.

Prince Mikhail Fedorovich Obolensky, arrested at Moscow as a counter-revolutionary on 3 February 1937; shot on 2 July 1937.

Prince Aleksander Fedorovich Obolensky, arrested at Saratov as a counter-revolutionary on 28 November 1937; shot on 4 December 1937.

Prince Nikolai Aleksandrovich Obolensky, arrested at Saratov 17 December 1937; shot on 31 December 1937.

Prince Vladimir Vasilievich Obolensky, perished at the hands of the NKVD in 1937.

With a bit more research, I am certain that I could double or triple the numbers of princes killed by the Communists. This of course leaves the largest catagories, the Counts, Barons and ordinary Nobles to be added to the list of the murdered.

David



Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 08, 2006, 11:52:26 PM
I have found the names of some additional Princes of the Russian Empire that died at the hands of the Communists:

Prince Oleg Grigorevich Gagarin, disappeared during the Civil War in Vladikavkaz, 1921.

Prince Andrei Andreevich Gagarin, Colonel of the Imperial Life Guards Artillery. Disappeared in 1937.

Prince Petr Andreevich Gagarin, Executed 1938, posthumously rehabilitated.

Prince Leonty Alekseevich Shakhovskoy, Colonel of Cavalry, shot by the Bolsheviks in 1918 at Pyatigorsk.

Prince Vladimir Alekseevich Shakhovskoy, Colonel of Imperial Life Guards and Adjutant to Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich. Shot by the Bolsheviks in 1918.

Daria Yevgeneevna, Countess de Beauharnais, daughter of HSH Prince Yevgeny Nikolaevich Romanovsky, 5th Duke von Leuchtenberg. She died in 1931 at a Soviet prison camp.

Prince Andrei Giorgievich von Leuchtenberg, died in 1919 while serving with the White Army forces at Narva.

David
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 01:42:32 AM
More princes who died at the hands of the Communists:

Prince Dadash Andreevich Gelovani executed by the ChKa in 1924.

Prince Solomon Gavrilovich Karalovy, shot by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

HSH Nikolai II Nikolaevich, Prince Mingrelsky, arrested and died in Petrogradsky Prison in 1919.

Prince David Nikolaevich Dadiani executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Samson Platonovich Dadiani, perished at the hands of the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Ivan Konstantinovich Dadiani, shot by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince David Konstantinovich Dadiani, shot by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Islam Janshovich Dadeshkeliani, shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Irakly Giorgivich Amirejibov, shot by the NKVD in 1938.

Prince Yasse Nikolaevich Andronikov, shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Princess Maria Nikolaevna Kavkasidze, disappeared during the Civil War.

Princess Elena Nikolaevna Kavkasidze, died with White Army forces.

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Belochka on February 09, 2006, 02:52:21 AM
Nobility who were not "high ranking" also lost their lives with the encroachment of red terror. It is not fair to isolate one group above the others who could also claim nobility.

Let us not forget those who were imprisoned and forced to remain as stateless citizens for the rest of their lives until they died without their their identity, not in exile, but placed into exile.

It was a slower more agonizing death.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 09, 2006, 03:05:01 AM
Very sad!  :'( Any more information on Princess Maria Scherbatoff? Thank you :)
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 01:13:12 PM
More princes who died at the hands of the Communists:

Prince Dmitri Diodorovich Bagration-Mukhransky, shot at Magadan in October 1937.

Prince Yuri Dmitrievich Urusov, died in a prison camp in 1937.

Prince Aleksander Dmitrievich Urusov, died in prison in 1918.

Prince Artem Nikolaievich Gantimurov, killed by the Bolsheviks in 1919.

Prince Aleksander Dmitrievich Obolensky, artillery officer. Executed at the Saints Peter and Paul Fortress on 30 August 1918.

And one Russian prince who perished in a Nazi concentration camp:

Prince Nikolai Aleksandrovich Obolensky, died at the Buchenwald Concentration Camp on 24 April 1940.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Tania+ on February 09, 2006, 01:16:02 PM
Thank you kindly Belochka for offering this statement. It's hard for many to understand who are and not personally or had relatives who went through these issues. Thank God only a portion of the world had to experience the 'red terror'. Outside of these boards, or reading historical offerings, or first person interviews, it still is not enough for the world to comprehend the excessive horrors of those long years of hell.

Yes, the difficult parts were not only imprisonment, but can anyone here truly understand what it means to remain stateless forever, w/o identity, in exile ?

Thank you again for helping to maintain and keep the flame alive in rememberance of all whom were continually plauged [as well countless millions murdered]by all that the red terror forced on so many lives, all ages. It is the least we can offer in remembrance to them, and to make sure the world never forgets.

Tatiana+


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Nobility who were not "high ranking" also lost their lives with the encroachment of red terror. It is not fair to isolate one group above the others who could also claim nobility.
 
Let us not forget those who were imprisoned and forced to remain as stateless citizens for the rest of their lives until they died without their their identity, not in exile, but placed into exile.

It was a slower more agonizing death.

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 01:29:15 PM
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Thank you kindly Belochka for offering this statement. It's hard for many to understand who are and not personally or had relatives who went through these issues. Thank God only a portion of the world had to experience the 'red terror'. Outside of these boards, or reading historical offerings, or first person interviews, it still is not enough for the world to comprehend the excessive horrors of those long years of hell.

Yes, the difficult parts were not only imprisonment, but can anyone here truly understand what it means to remain stateless forever, w/o identity, in exile ?

Thank you again for helping to maintain and keep the flame alive in rememberance of all whom were continually plauged [as well countless millions murdered]by all that the red terror forced on so many lives, all ages. It is the least we can offer in remembrance to them, and to make sure the world never forgets.

Tatiana+



I agree with you totally Tatiana. That is the reason I will be continuing my research into the noble victims of the Communists. If there is no place to see their names and remember them, then they and the crimes perpetrated against them will be forgotten.

David
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 09, 2006, 02:48:56 PM
There were also the two Princes Wiazemsky( brothers of Princess Lydia Wassiltchikoff)one Boris was murdered by the peasants on his estate the other Dimitri was shot. Their widows,mother and younger brother all escaped. There was also Princess Bariantinsky( nee Countess Stenbock-Femor) who was shot with her daughter and son-in-law in the Crimea.Then there was Prince Doulgoruky who was shot in Moscow just as his brother (the Tsar's aide de camp,Prince Vassily was shot in Siberia).There were of course many,many more.....
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 09, 2006, 02:56:48 PM
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Very sad!  :'( Any more information on Princess Maria Scherbatoff? Thank you :)

Maria Scherbatova was an immense heiress (to approximately 8/15 of the immense fortune of her grandfather Count Stroganov.Her maternal grandfather was Nicholas I.One of her daughters in law was the daughter of Count Peter Stoyplin ( she escaped).Another nee Princess  Sophia  Wassiltchikova was widowed in 1915 but managed to escape with her 4 small daughters.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 03:24:03 PM
More princes and a princess who died at the hands of the Communists:  

Prince Ivan Sergeevich Meshchersky, died in a Soviet prison camp.

Princess Ekaterina Aleksandrovna Meshcherskaya, nee Fyodorova, died in a Soviet prison camp.

Prince Sergei Aleksandrovich Mikadze, shot by the NKVD in 1938.

Prince Aleksander Mikhailovich Ratiev, shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Roman Aleksandrovich Chavchavadze, died will serving with White Army forces in 1919.

Prince Zurab Nikolaevich Chavchavadze, Arrested by the Bolsheviks; sent to Siberia; executed in 1933.

Prince Yason Iraklievich Chavchavadze, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Yuri Sergeevich Lvov, shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Vasily Geogrievich Turkestanov, Colonel Imperial Army General Staff. Shot by the NKVD at Moscow on 9 November 1937.

Prince Boris Aleksandrovich Turkestanov, killed in 1919 while serving as a Staff Captain in the White Army forces of General Denikin.

Prince Petr Rostomovich Tsereteli, Imperial Army officer, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924

Prince Iosif Rostomovich Tsereteli, Imperial Army officer, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924


Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 09, 2006, 04:37:35 PM
Another tragic Bolshevik Victim, 19 year old Prince Constantin Belosselsky-Belozersky, murdered by the Bolsheviks in Kiev in 1918.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/akshaychavan/ConsEsp.jpg )
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 04:54:56 PM
Had Prince Konstantin Esperovich Belosselsky-Belozersky, survived the Civil War, the ancient Rurikid House of Belosselsky might still exist.

More murdered princes:

Prince Iosif Viktorovich Chidzavadze, executed by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Revaz Yasonovich Eristov, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Revaz Mikhailovich Eristov, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Georgii Revazovich Eristov,executed by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Georgii Nikolaevich Eristov, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Ivan Vladimirovich Makashvili, executed by the NKVD in 1937.

As you may have noticed in all of my lists, the large number of princely families from the Caucuaus Mountain region that were murdered after the end of the Civil War. The Bolsheviks tried in 1924 to kill all nobles in the region in a systematic fashion. Luckily, for the nobles in this area, the Bolsheviks were not as organised as the Stalinist NKVD that would follow them.

David



Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 09, 2006, 05:21:31 PM
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Maria Scherbatova was an immense heiress (to approximately 8/15 of the immense fortune of her grandfather Count Stroganov.Her maternal grandfather was Nicholas I.One of her daughters in law was the daughter of Count Peter Stoyplin ( she escaped).Another nee Princess  Sophia  Wassiltchikova was widowed in 1915 but managed to escape with her 4 small daughters.


This is not quiet right. Princess Maria Scherbatoff was the daughter of Count Gregory Stroganoff. She was the heiress to the Palazzo Stroganoff in Rome and Priceless art collection. She had one son Vladimir and one daughter Alexandra. Her daughter in law was Stoypin's daughter. She escaped with her two daughters, Olga and Maria to Rome.

The second Princess was Princess Olga Scherbatoff, daughter of Count Alexander Stroganoff who was elder brother of Gregory Stroganoff mentioned above. She inherited the vast perm lands as well as Stroganoff palace on Nevsky. Her son was Alexander Stroganoff-Scherbatoff (i am not sure if he was killed in revolution as he died in 1915). Her daughter in law was Princess Wassiltchikoff.  Her daughters were Marie, Olga, Sophie and the only one living - Baroness Xenia de Ludinghausen.

Nicholas I was grandfather of different Maria Stroganoff , she married Count Sheremetev. She was second cousin to both Scherbatoff Princesses.

About Maria Scherbartoff, i was looking for info on her death for a long time. I finally found it on this site. Princess Alexandra was a great beauty and Prince Galitzine wanted to marry her. He describes their murder on this page -


More info on Gregory Stroganoff and Scherbatoff is in this article -
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050711fa_fact

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Belochka on February 09, 2006, 06:22:08 PM
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I agree with you totally Tatiana. That is the reason I will be continuing my research into the noble victims of the Communists. If there is no place to see there names and remember them, then they and the crimes perpetrated against them will be forgotten.

David


Thank you Tania and David.  

I too try to offer the same in my own personal way.

They shall never be forgotten. They were defenceless innocents.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 09, 2006, 07:53:51 PM
More princes and princesses who died at the hands of the Communists:

Prince Otar Geogievich Amilakhvari, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1924.

Prince Nikolai Teimurazovich Amilakhvari, executed by the Bolsheviks in 1923.

Prince Aleksander Simonovich Andronikov, executed by the VChka in 1923.

Prince Geogrii Mikhailovich Agiashvili, died in 1937 during a reprisal.

HSH Prince Adam Jan Kasimierz Stanislaw Lubomirski , died at a Soviet prison in January 1940.

HSH Prince Hubert Stanislaw Wladislaw Lubomirski, killed by Soviets on 21 September 1939.

HSH Princess Anna Jadwiga Maria Lubomirski, died in a Soviet prison camp at Krasnogorsk on 16 February 1947.

Prince Mikhail Fedorovich Obolensky, died in a Moscow prison in 1921.

Prince Nikolai Fedorovich Obolensky, died in a Moscow prison in 1921.

Prince Sergei Mikhailovich Obolensky, died in a Soviet prison.

Prince Vladimir Dmitrievich Obolensky, executed by the Bolsheviks in February 1918

Princess Sophia Leonidevna Obolenska, died in a Siberian prison on 26 Oct 1937.

Princess Yelisaveta Vasilievna Obolenska, died in a Siberian prison in 1943.

Princess Varvara Alexandrovna Obolenska, nee Countess Goudovich, died in a Siberian prison in 1938.

Princess Kyra Ivanova Obolenska, died 1942 in a Soviet prison.

Prince Dmitri Dmitrievich Kropotkin, killed by the Bolsheviks in 1920.

Princess Nadejda Bariatinska, nee Countess Stenbock-Fermor. Killed by the Bolsheviks at Yalta in December 1920.

Princess Irena Vladirimovna Bariatinska, killed by the Bolsheviks at Yalta in December 1920.

Prince Nikolai Dmitrievich Golitsyn, killed by the Bolsheviks in Saint Petersburg on 2 July 1925.

Princess Nina Vladimirovna Golitsyna, nee Bockmann, killed by the Bolsheviks on 19 February 1918.

Prince Lev Levoich Golitsyn, died in a Siberian prison at Irkutsk 21 June 1920.

Princess Lubov Grigorievna Golitsyna, kiled by the Bolsheviks at Loposnaya in 1917.

Prince Mikhail Grigorievich Golitsyn, disappeared in 1936.

Princess Christina Sergeevna Golitsyna, died in a Moscow prison 14 November 1932.

Princess Sophia Emmanuelevna Golitsyna, disappeared in 1918.

Princess Nadejda Emmanuelevna Golitsyna, disappeared in Turkestan, 1934.

Prince Andrei Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, kiled by the Bolsheviks at Vladivostok in 1922.

Princess Maria Levena Golitsyna, kiled by the Bolsheviks in 1920.

HSH Prince Boris Nikolaevich zu Sayn-Wittgenstein, killed in action against Bolsheviks 1919/20.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 10, 2006, 03:21:52 AM
All very barbaric. :( Thank you for the information!
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 10, 2006, 03:56:46 AM
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All very barbaric. :( Thank you for the information!


Yes very barbaric. Only a dozen or so of the dead princes listed above were even offering armed resistance to the Bolsheviks.

I have been surpized by the number of members of the Princely House of Golitsyn that were killed, 16 as of the latest count. The Princely House of Obolensky lost 14 members. I would think that the very large Princely House of Meshchersky lost many more family members to the Bolsheviks and Soviets than the two that I have identified thus far.

It would seem that almost every princely house lost a family member to the carnage that followed the 1917 Revolution.

David
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 10, 2006, 04:15:59 AM
Yes and so many Princesses were killed too. Awful.
How come so many ended up in concentration camps? What a contrast to the fantastic palaces!
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 10, 2006, 09:15:43 AM
I dont think you are thick. Here is the following quotation -

" There were many Balls and I soon got aquainted with all St.Petersburg society. I had a private income of 5.000 roubles a year, and out of this I had to buy all my uniforms, keep two horses, so that was cutting it very fine, but I had no debts so I could just manage. In the autumn I went on leave to Yakshino and hunted with my borzois with the Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich next door. Life was very free and I lived very well. Soon I was to meet my second cousin Princess Alexandra Alexeevna Shcherbatoff. She was the most beautiful creation and quite outstanding in every way. Many in St.Petersburg sought her hand but she was quite unattainable, or rather her mother, Aunt Mary Shcherbatoff, nee Stroganov. She had so much influence on her daughter that the latter could decide nothing without her mother's approval. When I saw her for the first time, I saw a being not of this world, before she became charming and attractive. I fell madly in love with her as I had never been in love before. At last I proposed to her and she having consulted ?her mother, told me we would have to wait and that she would let me know later. Soon after she had to go to Nemirovka, their country estate. I was prepared to wait and wait for her answer patiently, and so for a whole year, until her brother, Dima, at last came to me and told me she still couldn't decide and he gave me to understand that I was free to do as I pleased. My circle of friends all told me that nothing would come of it and that they couldn't bear to look at me and how patiently I waited and advised me to forget this crazy scheme, as they called my romance. I was not permitted to write to her, but for me this was a great blow and I suffered terribly ! Sandra was two years older than me and obeyed her mother unquestionably, so it was quite clear that if her mother had found me suitable, so would Sandra have done the same. Apart from myself there were others, for instance Count Olsoufieff, a member of the Government Council and some neighbour landowner of whom Aunt Mary approved, but since Sandra was not in love with them nothing came of those either. During the Revolution, the mother, Sandra and Dima were brutally murdered at Nemirovki. They say that when Princess Maria Gregorievna Shcherbatoff came out of the house to speak to the mutineers together with Sandra, they were murdered on the spot. Dima was hidden by one of the forresters in the woods, but when he was found he suffered the same fate. Sandra was a very special person with very high ideals, but completely under her mother's influence. In addition she was a great beauty and resembled her Great Grandmother Pototzki who was famous for her beauty and her portrait was often painted by all the great masters of her time. After that failure I was very downhearted, but went without stopping to the little house of Peter the Great to pray to God and ask for his guidance. The words of the New Testament especially impressed me "ask and it shall be given unto you, knock and it will open unto you". Then when I decided to ask for Katia Carlow's hand, I used to listen to the priest at mass and I decided that if he mentioned the names Vladimir and Catherine (the founders of the Russian Orthodox Faith) it meant HE had approved my choice ! I seem to remember that the names Vladimir and Alexandra were never mentioned together ! Whereas the names of Vladimir and Catherine I often heard and which gave me a good lead for my new choice and strengthened my purpose. "

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 10, 2006, 11:30:53 AM
Thank you so much AkshayChavan!  :)

All very sad... :'(
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 10, 2006, 12:53:08 PM
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This is not quiet right. Princess Maria Scherbatoff was the daughter of Count Gregory Stroganoff. She was the heiress to the Palazzo Stroganoff in Rome and Priceless art collection. She had one son Vladimir and one daughter Alexandra. Her daughter in law was Stoypin's daughter. She escaped with her two daughters, Olga and Maria to Rome.

The second Princess was Princess Olga Scherbatoff, daughter of Count Alexander Stroganoff who was elder brother of Gregory Stroganoff mentioned above. She inherited the vast perm lands as well as Stroganoff palace on Nevsky. Her son was Alexander Stroganoff-Scherbatoff (i am not sure if he was killed in revolution as he died in 1915). Her daughter in law was Princess Wassiltchikoff.  Her daughters were Marie, Olga, Sophie and the only one living - Baroness Xenia de Ludinghausen.

Nicholas I was grandfather of different Maria Stroganoff , she married Count Sheremetev. She was second cousin to both Scherbatoff Princesses.

About Maria Scherbartoff, i was looking for info on her death for a long time. I finally found it on this site. Princess Alexandra was a great beauty and Prince Galitzine wanted to marry her. He describes their murder on this page -


More info on Gregory Stroganoff and Scherbatoff is in this article -
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050711fa_fact

Alexander Stroganov-Scherbatoff 1881-1915 died as a result of wounds suffered in battle.His widow Princess Sophia nee Princess Wassiltchikoff1897- 1927 settled in France with her 4 daughters.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 10, 2006, 04:33:08 PM
More princes who died at the hands of the Communists:

Prince Aleksander Iraklaevich Bagration-Mukhransky, Major General and Commandant of the Chevalier Guards Regiment. Killed by the Bolsheviks at Pyatigorsk on 30 October 1918.

Prince Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bagration-Mukhransky, asasinated at Tblisi in 1926.

HSH Prince Aleksander Grigorievich Gruzinsky, Colonel in the Imperial Army, killed on his estate at Raizon by the Bolsheviks in 1917.

HSH Prince Petr Grigorievich Gruzinsky, Officer in a Moscow Imperial Guard Regiment, disappeared in the 1920's.

HSH Prince Wilhelm Janusz Heinrich Stanislaw Radziwill, killed in action in the Ukraine on 28 April 1920.

Prince Andrzej Swiatopolk-Czetwertynski, executed by the Soviets in Skidel Forest 18/23 September 1939.

I did find one other prince who was killed in action according to many sources in Yaroslav of all places in 1915. What happened in this city in 1915? Riots, a mutiny of soldiers? It was so far east that the Germans or Austrians never were in the area?

Prince Konstantin Aleksandrovich Bagration-Mukhransky, Captain in the Chevalier Guards Regiment; Aide-de-Camp to HIM Emperor Nikolai II. Killed in action at Yaroslav on 1 June 1915.



Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 10, 2006, 08:11:48 PM
The reason why so many Golitsyns died was because the family was simply too large. In the year 1900, there were 150 Princes Golitsyn in Russia!!! (From Dominic Lieven's Russia's Rulers Under Old Regime).  I dont know why so many Caucasian princes died. I suspect they must have stayed behind because Georgia was an independent country. But about Princes killed in 1930s, why did they simply not leave the country like others?
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 10, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
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I did find one other prince who was killed in action according to many sources in Yaroslav of all places in 1915. What happened in this city in 1915? Riots, a mutiny of soldiers? It was so far east that the Germans or Austrians never were in the area?

HSH Prince Konstantin Aleksandrovich Bagration-Mukhransky, Coronet in the Chevalier Guards Regiment; Lieutenant and Aide-de-Camp to HIM Emperor Nikolai II and then promoted to Captain in the Erivansky Grendiers Regiment. Killed in action at Yaroslav on 1 June 1915.



According to a number of sources, the prince was killed at another Yaroslav, this one near Lemburg in Galicia, rather than the ancient city east of Moscow. One should note that HSH Prince Konstantin was married to HH Princess Tatiana Konstantinova of Russia, the daughter of TIH Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich of Russia and Grand Duchess Elisaveta Mavrikievna of Russia, born a Princess of Saxe-Altenburg.

David
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 12, 2006, 10:19:48 AM
The story of Murder of Prince SS Abamelek-Lazarev and its aftermath is a strange and sad story. Prince Semen Semenovitch Abamelek-Lazarev was that second biggest landowner in Russia after the Stroganovs. He was also a renowned archealogist and a great patron of arts. A man of exceptional intellect, he served on the various government committies on Russia's development. During the revolution , he was shot and killed in the Causasus. Fortunately, his wife Princess Maria Demidoff was at her ancestral estate of Prontolino in Florence. Before dying, Prince had managed to transfer large sums of money to his wife in Italy.
     Now comes the strange part of the affair. Prince Abamelek-Lazarev was a great patron of Russian arts and had supported many russian artists in Italy. In his will , he bequeathed his palace in Rome "Villa Abamelek" situated in 40 acres in heart of Rome and estimated to be worth millions, to "Tsar and the Russian people". He gave the Villa to Imperial Academy of Arts in St Petersburg to be converted into a Russian Cultural Center. However, after the Revolution, The Academy of Arts was taken over by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks had the audacity to claim the "Villa Abamelek" as legal heirs (Such shameless people!!!). After a long legal battle, Bolsheviks finally won and Villa Abamelek became that home of the Soviet ambassador.
Thus, by supreme irony of history, criminal murderers of Prince Abamelek-Lazarev became his "legal heirs" and inherited his property worth millions. Can fate be more strange?
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: PeterB on February 12, 2006, 11:14:31 AM
This is grotesque and barbaric, all noble families be murdered only for they was of a member of noble families, like to the French Revolution - there was a lot of low and high noble families executioned.

Who had give the order to executioned of these
Russian noble families?
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 12, 2006, 12:11:45 PM
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However, after the Revolution, The Academy of Arts was taken over by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks had the audacity to claim the "Villa Abamelek" as legal heirs (Such shameless people!!!). After a long legal battle, Bolsheviks finally won and Villa Abamelek became that home of the Soviet ambassador.


Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Tania+ on February 12, 2006, 01:28:58 PM
I'm sickned reading the many pages of historical narrative [by writers on the period of the russian revolution], in particular, by the degree of barbaric butchery these soviet murders went to to torture and kill innocent adults and children. In having a nightmare, one could not begin to conjure up such grotesque and barbaric acts, yet in reality, this went on unhindered, and beyond all accounts, worse than the French Revolution.But at the start, I understand the nobility suffered the worst of the onslaught and butchery, just because they came from houses of nobility. As to any one being given a trial, or even exile, that was not even to be considered ever.

How many murderers went free during this time, and were never caught, is perhaps still unknown. It is a sad marker in the history books of Russia still today. Sadder still, the immense loss of innocent lives for a terrible governing institution of wickedness that lasted but 80 years.

Who indeed gave the express orders to kill period, any and all innocent human beings ?

Tatiana+

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This is grotesque and barbaric, all noble families be murdered only for they was of a member of noble families, like to the French Revolution - there was a lot of low and high noble families executioned.

Who had give the order to executioned of these
Russian noble families?

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on February 13, 2006, 06:56:48 AM
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Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)


Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.

Personally, being in that situation i would have prefered to die at hands of bolshevik bullets. Being shot to death by bolsheviks was the most dignified way out. Alternatively, death at hands of peasants was so babaric and horrific - beaten with iron rods till your skull is smashed or being skinned alive or buried alive (I cannot go on any further) . I read that many people commited suicide than die at the hands of peasants.

Also the "Bread of Exile" was also not easy. Imagine princes and investment bankers working as taxi drivers and cleaners. And these were creme de la creme of refugees. The terrible fate of Natalie Brassova haunts me. I think fate would have been kinder to her had she died with Micheal in Perm.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 13, 2006, 07:08:44 AM
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Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.
 


Thank you AkshayChavan. I am so pleased to read that, as with the french revolution it served them right. That's poetic justice for you :)

Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Belochka on February 13, 2006, 09:22:37 PM
Lenin caused his own death by contracting an STD.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on February 13, 2006, 11:42:15 PM
Since he was such an unpersonable and ugly man, he must contracted the illness from a prostitute.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 14, 2006, 09:26:09 AM
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Lenin caused his own death by contracting an STD.


Great, serves him right :)
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 14, 2006, 05:03:54 PM
Some additional members of princely/noble houses killed during the Revolution, the three Russian born grandsons of Prince Rudolf Hugo Maximilian von Thurn und Taxis who was created Freiherr von Troscow in 1894 because of an unequal marriage made in 1857:

Alexander Freiherr von Troskow born on 30 September 1895 and died in Russia 1917/20.

Michael Freiherr von Troskow born on 11 December 1900 and died in Russia 1917/20.

Georg Freiherr von Troskow born on 27 June 1903 and died in Russia 1917/20.


David
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: AkshayChavan on March 15, 2006, 07:48:13 PM
How sad! They were just 25, 20 and 17 years old in 1920.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: dp5486 on January 18, 2008, 11:57:06 AM
Does anyone know the circumstances leading to the death of Princess Nina Vladimirovna Bockmann Golitsyna? I noticed that she was the daughter-in-law of the former Prime Minister Prince Nicholas Golitsyn.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Mari on January 19, 2008, 05:02:28 AM
Very sad! It reminds me also of the innocents killed during the French Revolution.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 26, 2008, 10:09:39 AM
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Sickening! how dare they. I wish they had all been butchered, would have served them right! :)

Whenever i read of these murders, however agitated i am, i end up with smug satisfaction. These murderers were brought to justice. Most of them died in Stalin's Gulags. Similarly Peasant murderers were starved to death by Stalin. It is as if, Stalin was sent by ghosts of dead people to take revenge. No one escaped, Kronsdaat sailors, Trotsky , Party officials and even Lenin.

I wouldn't indulge in too much "smug satisfaction." Many innocent people also died in Stalin's gulags. In fact, most of the dead were innocent. As for the "peasant murderers" do you honestly assume that all of the "kulaks" who died at Stalin's hands were killers? David Pritchard's work is admirable, the innocents should be remembered, but the absolute glee you and Eddie-uk seem to feel over the murders of others, regardless of political persuasion, is truly disturbing.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 27, 2008, 10:31:56 AM
oh, get over yourself.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 28, 2008, 12:10:40 PM
1) Two sons of Count SD Sheremetev, Boris and Dimitri were murdered at ostafievo.
I would like others to add to this list. Did all others manage to escape?

You are mistaken – Sergei’s son Dmitri escaped Russia in 1919 and lived the rest of his life in Rome. He died there in the 1940s. His daughter Praskovia married Prince Roman Petrovich of Russia. As for Boris he was arrested by the Bolsheviks and released in 1918. What became of him after that I do not know. I do know that two of the Sheremetev's brothers-in-law were murdered by the Bolsheviks in Moscow in 1919: Alexander "Alik" Saburov who was married to Alexandra Sheremeteva and Alexander Vasilyevich "Sasha" Gudovich, the husband of Maria Sheremeteva, the former Gov. of Kutaisi. A few excerpts from their niece's memoirs were published in a newspaper a few years ago and she described how her uncles were arrested in 1918 along with Sergei's sons Paul and Boris. Paul and Boris were released and their brothers-in-law were held as hostages and later shot to death.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Tania+ on May 31, 2008, 10:41:28 AM
Hello David,

I hear Std is not a plesant way of bowing out of life. Could not have happened to a nicer guy though.
Also agree with many here, that the pesants were an unruly lot who in the end for all of their wanting out of being under the Tsar, met their end with the communists at the top. Strange how the pesants were told to kill without let up, but when their time came, they fought back just the elite of the society had.
Revolution and the after math is such bloody situation to be in, especially if one joined in and thinks they are going to win......in the end from this revolution until it's final demise, nobody really won....nobody at all

Tatiana+
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Michael HR on June 01, 2008, 02:55:19 AM
Hello,

Reading sometime ago I came across the Russian Nobility Association. I would think that there were now no nobles left in Russia, unless very brave and lucky, and wondered who the Association was and it's aims. Many people descended today wold or may have use of their titles and perhaps this is to keep a record of who is who?

Michael HR
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 03, 2008, 05:25:58 PM
Hello,

Reading sometime ago I came across the Russian Nobility Association. I would think that there were now no nobles left in Russia, unless very brave and lucky, and wondered who the Association was and it's aims. Many people descended today wold or may have use of their titles and perhaps this is to keep a record of who is who?

Michael HR

There is a RNA in the United States, also in France and several other countries. I'm sure that many nobles remained in Russia. Many were murdered by Stalin and other Bolsheviks, but some survived. (And I'm sure many were brave and lucky.) The RNA does keep records from the Imperial Senate, I believe, and they have a web site. You should Google them.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Joyann1 on February 02, 2014, 05:42:05 PM
I dont think you are thick. Here is the following quotation -

" There were many Balls and I soon got aquainted with all St.Petersburg society. I had a private income of 5.000 roubles a year, and out of this I had to buy all my uniforms, keep two horses, so that was cutting it very fine, but I had no debts so I could just manage. In the autumn I went on leave to Yakshino and hunted with my borzois with the Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich next door. Life was very free and I lived very well. Soon I was to meet my second cousin Princess Alexandra Alexeevna Shcherbatoff. She was the most beautiful creation and quite outstanding in every way. Many in St.Petersburg sought her hand but she was quite unattainable, or rather her mother, Aunt Mary Shcherbatoff, nee Stroganov. She had so much influence on her daughter that the latter could decide nothing without her mother's approval. When I saw her for the first time, I saw a being not of this world, before she became charming and attractive. I fell madly in love with her as I had never been in love before. At last I proposed to her and she having consulted ?her mother, told me we would have to wait and that she would let me know later. Soon after she had to go to Nemirovka, their country estate. I was prepared to wait and wait for her answer patiently, and so for a whole year, until her brother, Dima, at last came to me and told me she still couldn't decide and he gave me to understand that I was free to do as I pleased. My circle of friends all told me that nothing would come of it and that they couldn't bear to look at me and how patiently I waited and advised me to forget this crazy scheme, as they called my romance. I was not permitted to write to her, but for me this was a great blow and I suffered terribly ! Sandra was two years older than me and obeyed her mother unquestionably, so it was quite clear that if her mother had found me suitable, so would Sandra have done the same. Apart from myself there were others, for instance Count Olsoufieff, a member of the Government Council and some neighbour landowner of whom Aunt Mary approved, but since Sandra was not in love with them nothing came of those either. During the Revolution, the mother, Sandra and Dima were brutally murdered at Nemirovki. They say that when Princess Maria Gregorievna Shcherbatoff came out of the house to speak to the mutineers together with Sandra, they were murdered on the spot. Dima was hidden by one of the forresters in the woods, but when he was found he suffered the same fate. Sandra was a very special person with very high ideals, but completely under her mother's influence. In addition she was a great beauty and resembled her Great Grandmother Pototzki who was famous for her beauty and her portrait was often painted by all the great masters of her time. After that failure I was very downhearted, but went without stopping to the little house of Peter the Great to pray to God and ask for his guidance. The words of the New Testament especially impressed me "ask and it shall be given unto you, knock and it will open unto you". Then when I decided to ask for Katia Carlow's hand, I used to listen to the priest at mass and I decided that if he mentioned the names Vladimir and Catherine (the founders of the Russian Orthodox Faith) it meant HE had approved my choice ! I seem to remember that the names Vladimir and Alexandra were never mentioned together ! Whereas the names of Vladimir and Catherine I often heard and which gave me a good lead for my new choice and strengthened my purpose. "



This nearly broke my heart.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: Joyann1 on March 05, 2014, 08:06:05 AM
Is there more known about the people involved in this tragic story?
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: wetz07 on March 30, 2014, 07:22:15 AM
You must read the book written by Serge Schmemann (the New York Times journalist and writer), he described very well all his relatives like Princes Gagarin, Vyazemsky, Trubetzkoy, Obolensky, Sviatopolk Mirsky, and many others murdered from 1918 to 1946, even during the war a cousing Princess Galitzine or Golytsin was murdered with her two daughters in Leningrad, her husband was in Uzbekistan and was murdered in 1938.


Thousands of nobles died during the October Revolution, and the Civil War and the Stalinist Purges, some additional names for your list:

Prince Mikhail Sergeevich Lopuhin, arrested and shot in the Summer of 1918 in Moscow by the ChKa.

Prince Mikhail Aleksandrovich Golitsyn of the White Cossack Forces. Arrested and shot in 1918.

Prince Konstantin Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Kiev, 1931.

Prince Aleksander Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Lipetske, 1937.

Prince Dmitri Aleksandrovich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in Dzheskazgan, 1938.

Prince Mikhail Vasilievich Golitsyn, arrested and shot in 1937.

Prince Vladimir Lvovich Golitsyn, shot in 1937.

Prince Vladimir Sergeevich Trubetskoy, shot on 30 October 1937.

Prince Petr Petrovich Urusov, died in a prison camp at Tomsk, 1936.

Prince Andrei Petrovich Urusov, arrested and shot by the NKVD in 1937.

Prince Aleksander Dmitievich Shirinsky-Shihmatov, died at Kuban in 1920 while serving with the White Army.

Prince Andrei Mikhailovich Obolensky, arrested at Orenburg as a counter-revolutionary on 7 September 1937; died 27 November 1937.

Prince Mikhail Fedorovich Obolensky, arrested at Moscow as a counter-revolutionary on 3 February 1937; shot on 2 July 1937.

Prince Aleksander Fedorovich Obolensky, arrested at Saratov as a counter-revolutionary on 28 November 1937; shot on 4 December 1937.

Prince Nikolai Aleksandrovich Obolensky, arrested at Saratov 17 December 1937; shot on 31 December 1937.

Prince Vladimir Vasilievich Obolensky, perished at the hands of the NKVD in 1937.

With a bit more research, I am certain that I could double or triple the numbers of princes killed by the Communists. This of course leaves the largest catagories, the Counts, Barons and ordinary Nobles to be added to the list of the murdered.

David




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Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 07, 2016, 05:32:24 PM
I have a little more errata on Prince Constantine A. Bagration-Murhransky. He was a cavalry officer who transferred to the Infantry to replace the shortage of Infantry officers. He arrived to command the 5th company 13th Erivanski Grenadier regiment, Caucasian Grenadier division II Caucasian Corps on 18/30 May 1915 and was killed in action leading this company the next day 19 may/1 June 1915.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on April 08, 2016, 08:53:23 PM
More errata not murdered but KIA WW I:
Prince Constantine G. Imeretinsky while serving with 48 Squadron RAF  was killed during the night of 24/25 August 1918 during a bombing raid by Schlachtstaffel (Battle Squadron this is what the Germans called their ground attack units) 16.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: rpalmgre on April 13, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
Prince Mikhail Sergeevich Lopuhin, arrested and shot in the Summer of 1918 in Moscow by the ChKa.

He was not at all a Prince. The Russian princely family Lopukhin became extinct already in 1873. This when His Serene Highness Prince Paul Petrovitch Lopukhin died without legitimate issue.
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: rpalmgre on April 13, 2016, 01:12:22 PM
The Russian Revolution hit the Russian Princely family Lopukhin-Demidov of the House of Demidov hard. From being a wealthy industrial family they became poor. One woman in the family was the maid of honor Vera Demidoff. She was born 13 June 1871 as a daughter of Lieutnant-General Nikolai Petrovitch Demidoff, created The 1st Prince Lopukhin-Demidov in 1876, and his wife Olga Valerianovna Stolipin. Vera Demidoff was killed by the Bolsheviks during the Russian revolution in 1919. :(
Title: Re: Nobility murdered during the Revolution
Post by: rpalmgre on April 16, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
Prince Constantine Esperovitch Belosselsky Belozersky was killed by the Soviets at Kiev 5 January 1918.