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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Scandanavian Royal Families => Topic started by: lady on February 09, 2006, 07:15:44 PM

Title: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: lady on February 09, 2006, 07:15:44 PM
I know very few about Queen Victoria of Baden and I would learn more about her. Pictures welcome!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 11, 2006, 11:10:15 AM
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I know very few about Queen Victoria of Baden and I would learn more about her. Pictures welcome!

Didn't she -because of her poor health in later years-fall under the influence of Axel Munthe ?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 12, 2006, 04:24:37 AM
She was indeed under the strong influence of famous Axel Munthe. They said he was a terrific person.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 18, 2006, 03:07:20 PM
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Didn't she -because of her poor health in later years-fall under the influence of Axel Munthe ?



Yes, she did. Axel Munthe was not a nice person, though. Maria Pavlovna, who was married to queen Victoria's second son Wilhelm for some years, detested him.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 18, 2006, 10:14:11 PM
Was this man Munthe the doctor Marie Pavlovna was under the spell of?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 19, 2006, 02:49:03 AM
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Was this man Munthe the doctor Marie Pavlovna was under the spell of?



Yes, it is the same man, Axel Munthe (1857-1949), the son of a pharmacist in a small town named Vimmerby. Staffan Skott, a Swedish author who has written about both the Romanovs and the Bernadottes, states in one of his books that Munthe sexually abused Maria Pavlovna.  >:(
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: lancashireladandre on February 19, 2006, 03:49:53 AM
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Yes, it is the same man, Axel Munthe (1857-1949), the son of a pharmacist in a small town named Vimmerby. Staffan Skott, a Swedish author who has written about both the Romanovs and the Bernadottes, states in one of his books that Munthe sexually abused Maria Pavlovna.  >:(

Axel Munthe settled on Capri, where he wrote a best selling book "The story of San Michele".You often see copies cheap in secondhand bookshops....
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Prince_Lieven on February 19, 2006, 09:29:20 AM
Didn't Victoria not get on well with her daughter-in-law, Margaret of Connaught, because of the latter's pro-British sympathies in WWI?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 19, 2006, 10:29:57 AM
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Yes, it is the same man, Axel Munthe (1857-1949), the son of a pharmacist in a small town named Vimmerby. Staffan Skott, a Swedish author who has written about both the Romanovs and the Bernadottes, states in one of his books that Munthe sexually abused Maria Pavlovna.  >:(


That makes me feel bad for Marie Pavlovna. :'(
I'm sure at that time she knew very little about such matters....

Did this man hold a powerful sway over Victoria as well?

I've always wondered--she seems sort of an isolated figure.  She didn't have too much family of her own--only two brothers, one died young, no nieces or nephews.  Her mother was the only sibling of Fritz, so Victoria would have been a first cousin to Fritz and Vicky's girls.  Was she close to them?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on February 19, 2006, 01:41:42 PM
There were some photos taken of her and Charly as young women and, I think, also with Wilhelm.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Leuchtenberg on February 19, 2006, 07:24:56 PM
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Tampa Bay



They were very different personalities and the marriage was not very happy, according to the sources.


Apparently it was because he preferred men.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 03:36:37 AM
Viktoria and her husband. Looks nice.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/V_spouse.jpg)

Viktoria mourns

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/QueenViktoria.jpg)

And the most interesting photo.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/QueenViktori.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 20, 2006, 06:20:49 AM
Very nun-like.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Prince_Christopher on February 20, 2006, 06:26:24 AM
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3905/viktoriabaden186223eo.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 10:50:16 AM
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 Staffan Skott, a Swedish author who has written about both the Romanovs and the Bernadottes, states in one of his books that Munthe sexually abused Maria Pavlovna.  >:(


Staffan Scott doesn't state such a thing , he just cite words of Maria's lady-in-waiting.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 20, 2006, 02:21:34 PM
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Apparently it was because he preferred men.



Well, there were quite a few very big differences in their personalities as well. He was weak, she was strong (in her mind), he was not very intelligent, she was intelligent (but not very tactically gifted), he was brought up in a rather liberal home environment, she was brought up in a very strict, conservative atmosphere, etc.

But yes, it seems like he preferred men. However, he also had a child out of wedlock, so I suppose he was really playing both tunes.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 20, 2006, 02:49:04 PM
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it seems like he preferred men. However, he also had a child out of wedlock, so I suppose he was really playing both tunes.


Child out of wedlock? Never heard that. Could you please tell more about? :)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 20, 2006, 03:09:56 PM
Svetabel, I do not really know very much about it, and perhaps it is mainly gossip anyhow.  :-[ There was a man called Anders Lundebeck who claimed to be the illegitimate son of Gustaf V. He was an author, mostly on royal topics, and it is said that he had a striking resemblance to his alleged father. In any circumstances he was very well informed on court issues etc. Nothing has, as far as I know, ever been proved. A few years ago a biography on Gustaf V was published in Swedish, written by Stig Hadenius. I have not had the time to read it yet (it is waiting for me on one of my bookshelves :)), but glancing through it I have not found anything mentioned about this (which is not unexpected). I wish I had more facts to tell you, but this is all (and I know it is not much).  :-/ :)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 20, 2006, 03:29:46 PM
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Staffan Scott doesn't state such a thing , he just cite words of Maria's lady-in-waiting.



This is what Staffan Skott writes in "Alla dessa Bernadottar" ("All these Bernadottes"): "...i Siam för Marias del, beslöt det svenska hovet att den besvärliga ryskan skulle exporteras till Capri. Den besynnerlige doktor Munthe, som enligt hennes egna uppgifter förgrep sig sexuellt på henne, förklarade att hon hade svåra njurlidanden och därför måste tillbringa vintrarna i Södern." My translation (and forgive my bad English): "...in Siam on Maria's part, the Swedish court decided that the troublesome Russian would be exported to Capri. The peculiar doctor Munthe, who according to her own statements abused her sexually, declared that she had severe sufferings from her kidneys and therefore had to spend the winters in the south." I should point out that the boldification of certain words is mine.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 21, 2006, 02:32:29 AM
Interestingly enough, that in "The Romanovs" Scott cites Maria's lady-in-waiting, and in other book refers to Maria herself  :-/ ???. Of course Munthe was not a nice and kind person, but possibly  Maria slandered on him expessly just to avoid a boring life on Capri? Or possibly he wooed Maria's attention (without abusing)?..who knows... :( Anyway sad story.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 21, 2006, 04:01:13 PM
Svetabel, I have that book too (Staffan Skott´s "The Romanovs", or as it is called in Swedish "Romanovs", the original book is in Swedish. Is your version in English or Russian? I am just asking out of curiousity, as I know his book has been translated into several languages). And you are perfectly right, in "The Romanovs" the information of Munthe's sexual abuse on Maria Palovna is said to be "från hennes närmaste uppvaktning" ("from her nearest ladies in waiting"). I do not really know what to make of this.  ???

It is possible that Maria Pavlovna slandered him to avoid a stay on Capri with her strict, boring mother in law. Anyway, like you say - it is a sad story. :(

By the way, a few years ago an extensive biography on Axel Munthe was published in Sweden, "En osalig ande", by Bengt Jangfeldt. I am unsure if it will be or already has been translated into other languages.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on February 22, 2006, 08:04:25 PM
One of her cousins--I think Nicholas K? wanted to marry her but because of the first cousins rules they couldn't. He never did marry.

Victoria's marriage wasn't very happy apparently. Gustav was reportedly homosexual, or perhaps bisexual. This exploded in the Haijby Affair. A former restauranter, Kurt Haijby, claimed to have Gustav's lover from 1912 and 1932. During Gustaf's life, Haijby was paid 170,000 Swedish kronor by the court of Sweden to maintain his silence. In 1938 Haijby was arrested for paedophilia and placed in an asylum at Beckomberga. Following this, the court offered him a deal, which he accepted, of a further 400 crowns a month if he left the country. However, he breached the agreement, returning to Sweden in 1940 and writing a book about his life with the king. The entire printing was bought by the court and destroyed. After Gustaf's death, papers detailing Haijby's complaint to the Attorney General of Sweden about his enforced detention in the asylum were smuggled out of the Attorney General's office by writer Wilhelm Moberg. As a consequence, the details of his story became public and the court was forced to charge Haijby for acts of blackmail. These incidents took place against a background of scandals known as the Kejne affair, which involved homosexuality amongst government officials. A contemporary biography of Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, while mentioning the Haijby affair, does not address the king's sexual orientation or the exact relationship between him and Hajiby. Haijby was sentenced to six years' hard labor. He committed suicide shortly after his release from prison.

Gustav & Victoria married in 1881. She was the granddaughter of Sofia of Sweden, and her marriage to Gustaf V united by a future real blood link the reigning Bernadotte dynasty with the former royal house of Holstein-Gottorp (Vasa). Gustaf himself was a descendant of the original House of Vasa through both his mother Sophia of Nassau and his grandmother Josephine of Leuchtenberg.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 23, 2006, 03:04:51 PM
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A contemporary biography of Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, while mentioning the Haijby affair, does not address the king's sexual orientation or the exact relationship between him and Hajiby.




I have the book Gustaf V by Stig Hadenius, but I have not read it yet. Anyway, it does not really surprise me that it does not say very much about Haijby, since the subject is still largely a no-no-subject in Sweden.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 24, 2006, 08:10:47 AM
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Svetabel, I have that book too (Staffan Skott´s "The Romanovs", or as it is called in Swedish "Romanovs", the original book is in Swedish. Is your version in English or Russian? I am just asking out of curiousity, as I know his book has been translated into several languages). And you are perfectly right, in "The Romanovs" the information of Munthe's sexual abuse on Maria Palovna is said to be "från hennes närmaste uppvaktning" ("from her nearest ladies in waiting"). I do not really know what to make of this.  ???

It is possible that Maria Pavlovna slandered him to avoid a stay on Capri with her strict, boring mother in law. Anyway, like you say - it is a sad story. :(

By the way, a few years ago an extensive biography on Axel Munthe was published in Sweden, "En osalig ande", by Bengt Jangfeldt. I am unsure if it will be or already has been translated into other languages.


I have Russian version of the book. As I know "The Romanovs" are not translated into English. :-/
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on February 26, 2006, 01:54:45 PM
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I have Russian version of the book. As I know "The Romanovs" are not translated into English. :-/



Oh, my mistake.  :-[ I knew it had been translated into several languages, so I simply assumed that English was one of them.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on February 27, 2006, 08:07:55 AM
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Oh, my mistake.  :-[ I knew it had been translated into several languages, so I simply assumed that English was one of them.


Very strange that  there is no Englsih translation. The book is very interesting.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: dp5486 on March 06, 2006, 12:41:17 PM
I have read on other threads that Victoria was in love (or hoped to become engaged to) her cousin Grand Duke Nicholas Mikahilovich. Did they still remain close after this failed engagement? Did she make any effort to help him out of Russia during the revolution?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on March 08, 2006, 10:18:45 AM
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I have read on other threads that Victoria was in love (or hoped to become engaged to) her cousin Grand Duke Nicholas Mikahilovich. Did they still remain close after this failed engagement? Did she make any effort to help him out of Russia during the revolution?

Thanks!


They did not remain close, but as cousins they could meet each other frequently (not sure they did so though) :). Unlikely that Viktoria made efforts to rescue Grand Duke Nikolay out of Russia.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: dp5486 on March 08, 2006, 02:19:25 PM
Just curious. Thank you. From what I've heard Grand Duke Nicholas Mikhailovich must have been busy being outspoken and spending time with his married mistress.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on August 13, 2008, 12:24:20 PM
Young mother Viktoria with her mother GDss Luise and firstborn son.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/viktmotherbaby.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Luc on August 21, 2008, 07:36:24 AM
Gustav V was born on 16 June 1858 in Drottningholm Slott as the first son of the crown prince and crown princess, Oscar and Sophia. On 20 September 1881 he married Victoria of Baden, daughter of the grand duke.
They had 3 sons: crown prince Gustav Adolf, prince Wilhelm and prince Erik. In 1907 he became King of Sweden. He died on 29 October 1950, 92 years old, in the Drottningholm Slott.
Does anyone have more info and especially portraits/photos of him ???
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Gabriella on August 21, 2008, 04:28:31 PM
From  the autobiography of his grandson, Count Lennart Bernadotte, I learned that Gustaf V. was a devoted tennis player and a grand patron of the game. During a visit in Britain in the 1870ies he learned the sport and founded Sweden's first tennis club after his return. He appeared under the pseudonym "Mister G." on the courts and was an enthusiastic player into his 90s.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Erika on September 08, 2008, 03:48:55 PM
These pictures might be of interest;

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Kung_Gustav_V_1935.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Kung_Gustav_V_1935.jpg)

(http://bmarcore.club.fr/tennis/champions/cramm/vc-suede.jpg) (http://bmarcore.club.fr/tennis/champions/cramm/vc-suede.jpg)

(http://hem.spray.se/l.akterhall/images/Olga_och_Kung_Gustav_den_V_vid_nagon_basar.jpg) (http://hem.spray.se/l.akterhall/images/Olga_och_Kung_Gustav_den_V_vid_nagon_basar.jpg)

(http://www.arthistoryclub.com/art_history/upload/8/8a/Gustav_V.jpg) (http://www.arthistoryclub.com/art_history/upload/8/8a/Gustav_V.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/King_Gustav_V_of_Sweden_in_his_20s.png) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/King_Gustav_V_of_Sweden_in_his_20s.png)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on October 26, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
His marriage to Viktoria of Baden is interesting as she was descended from the Vasa .
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Marc on October 28, 2008, 06:58:11 AM
Yes,like almost every royal of that time...her nearest male Vasa ancestor was King Carl IX of Sweden who died in 1611...

If you think of her grandmother Sophie...she was by blood Princess von Holstein-Gottorp whose father just adopted the name Vasa in his exile...real Vasa family died out!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on October 29, 2008, 03:49:36 PM
Queen Josefina, née princess Josephine of Leuchtenberg, was also a Vasa descendant, and she was married to Oscar I. So the Vasa connection in the Bernadotte genealogy goes further back than the marriage between Victoria of Baden and Gustav V.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Marc on October 30, 2008, 08:16:47 AM
Like I said,almost every royal is a ''true'' Vasa descedant...I don't count Holstein-Gottorps as Vasa...they had Vasa blood just like the rest of the royal/noble mob...
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on October 30, 2008, 08:53:16 AM
any one know where in Rome Queen Viktoria died?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Rebecca on October 30, 2008, 12:48:31 PM
any one know where in Rome Queen Viktoria died?

She died at Villa Svezia in Rome.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on October 31, 2008, 04:33:59 PM
thank you Rebecca. Was this a holiday home or rented? I'd love to know the history as to why she ended her days there.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Mari on November 01, 2008, 06:47:27 AM
Queen Viktoria suffered from a very poor health (much due to mistreatment from several doctors in her youth), and she often went abroad on trips to make her health better (she suffered from bronchitis and possibly tuberculosis) She died  on the 4th of April 1930, in her home Villa Svezia in Rome! At the end of her life , her poor health had  showed itself again, and she moved to Italy. Everything I have read indicated she owned the Villa!

Two links below that cover the later years including two of her photographs.

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The queen’s health worsened towards the end of the Twenties, however. Following Munthe’s advice, she abandoned the island, (Capri) going first to her own land far away, where she tried to build a villa in the Capri style, and then, moving to Rome in her last years. She took up residence at Villa del Mandorlo, today Villa di Svezia, a residence in Parioli with windows overlooking Villa Borghese. In Rome, Munthe continued to treat her until her death in 1930. Even in Rome, she surrounded herself with furnishings and pictures from her island residence, to foster the illusion that she was still living in “the most beautiful place in the world” that had given her health and happiness for twenty years. At the end of the 1950s, her villa in Capri was turned into a hotel, keeping its original name of Casa Caprile along with some of the aura of its stately owner.
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http://www.capri.net/caprireview/article.php?cod=50&lang=en&tr=1

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Victoria_of_Baden
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on November 01, 2008, 07:59:09 AM
Thats the good thing about this site . There is always someone who takes the time  and effort to help answer queries from others...many thanks Mari
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on November 01, 2008, 08:02:02 AM
Marc...what i meant was that she was a claiment in line to the throne and regarded by legitimists as the real sovereign
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Marc on November 05, 2008, 08:21:08 AM
Ok,that's other thing...but she for sure was a Holstein-Gottorp princess...I always wondered why people always thought that this line was ''the last Vasa Princes'' when the already died out...claimant is other thing!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Norbert on November 05, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
I believe it was a way of legitimising their claim, the same family adopted "Romanov" in Russia ...no?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Marc on November 05, 2008, 05:18:57 PM
Yes,right...same case!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 03, 2009, 09:01:32 AM
Some pictures of Victoria. She has been called the perfect queen.....in another climate, another country and another time!

Victoria with her mother.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoriamor.jpg)

Victoria age 12
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoria12.jpg)

Victoria age 17
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoria17age.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on May 04, 2009, 02:13:13 AM
The first 2 pictures are really rare. Thanks for sharing.

Viktoria was quite a pretty young woman.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 04, 2009, 09:54:11 AM
You are welcome, :).

Victoria was very pro German, and during WWI all volunteers who joined German active service got a personal present from the Queen.
She was in Baden when the monarchy fell ,and she had to flee the Palace when it was attacked by soldiers.

Victoria and Gustav
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/GustavVVicforlov.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/VBaden.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gvvict.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 04, 2009, 09:59:59 AM
Victoria
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoriabrud.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/prinssvictsverig.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victportrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 04, 2009, 10:04:11 AM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/kpssvictoria.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoriacasual.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoriamourning.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Veronica on May 04, 2009, 03:18:28 PM
Wonderful photos!!
Thanks for sharing kmerov! I specially like the one of Victoria with her mother.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Erika on May 04, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
Victoria was very pro German, and during WWI all volunteers who joined German active service got a personal present from the Queen.
She was in Baden when the monarchy fell ,and she had to flee the Palace when it was attacked by soldiers.

Correct! The kings mother and father were both pro German during the WWII. It was only after it was clear that Germany would lose the war that they "changed" opinion.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 07, 2009, 05:18:52 PM
Victoria was very pro German, and during WWI all volunteers who joined German active service got a personal present from the Queen.
She was in Baden when the monarchy fell ,and she had to flee the Palace when it was attacked by soldiers.

Correct! The kings mother and father were both pro German during the WWII. It was only after it was clear that Germany would lose the war that they "changed" opinion.

I'm not sure which king you are speaking about. Is it the present king?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on May 07, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
Victoria.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/formalvictoria.jpg)

Victoria with her three sons.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victgustavadolferikwilhelm.jpg)

The whole family in 1895.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustav5famly1895.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Erika on May 08, 2009, 02:33:59 AM
Victoria was very pro German, and during WWI all volunteers who joined German active service got a personal present from the Queen.
She was in Baden when the monarchy fell ,and she had to flee the Palace when it was attacked by soldiers.

Correct! The kings mother and father were both pro German during the WWII. It was only after it was clear that Germany would lose the war that they "changed" opinion.

I'm not sure which king you are speaking about. Is it the present king?

Oh yes, sorry. I am talking about the present king. :)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 09, 2009, 11:37:40 PM
oh my..GREAT pics...and talk.

she is one of my favorites. quite a beauty i think.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 09, 2009, 11:46:22 PM

Victoria age 12
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoria12.jpg)


looking quite a bit like cousin Charly.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on June 15, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
Some more pics of Victoria.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/drottningvictoria.jpg)

Victoria with her grandson Lennart and mother.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victorialennarturgrossmama.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on June 15, 2009, 08:40:31 AM
Victoria with her son and grandchildren.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoriagrandchildren.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/ict1918ca.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/oldvictoria.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Luc on June 16, 2009, 07:41:18 AM
Wonderful photos of the old queen, Kmerov. Thank you !!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on July 25, 2009, 08:24:33 AM
Queen Viktoria (then Crownprincess) in 1902, by Otto Propheter.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/byOPropheter1902.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Yseult on December 02, 2009, 12:17:44 PM
A beautiful cabinet of Viktoria is now for sale. Ebay, of course ;)

(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/wennichtanzenwill/ViktoriaBaden-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 10:51:09 AM
King Gustav V :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/gv.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/gvv.jpg)

Queen Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/drvk.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/dv.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/drtvoria.jpg)

King Gustav and Queen Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/gustavvictoria.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
Drottning Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/cxv.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/sdt.png)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/vic.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/rtyu.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 05, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
Gustav scares the hell outta me sometimes, in special in this one

(http://i48.tinypic.com/28iu8gh.jpg)

Looks like an aztec mummy :S

Ps: any info about this picture? Thanks in advanced!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 02:27:48 PM
Queen Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/vc.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/v.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/dse.jpg)

Gustav V and Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/g5v.jpg)

Gustav V older :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/gf.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 05, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/1-1.jpg)
Young Princess Victoria of Bade

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/2-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/11.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/9.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/3-1.jpg)

Victoria and Gustav :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/8.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/6-1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/4-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Yseult on December 06, 2009, 02:54:57 AM

Victoria and Gustav :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/8.jpg)


Another shot from the same session...

(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/wennichtanzenwill/GustaveVandwifeSweden1881.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 13, 2009, 11:30:31 AM
Victoria with Lennart and her mother Louise of Bade :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/vll.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 26, 2009, 12:10:57 PM
Queen Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/reinevdesuede.jpg)

Gustav V and Victoria :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Sweden%20Royals/Bernadotte%20Family/vicgustav.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 09, 2010, 02:59:45 AM
Gustav scares the hell outta me sometimes, in special in this one
(http://i48.tinypic.com/28iu8gh.jpg)
Looks like an aztec mummy :S
Ps: any info about this picture? Thanks in advanced!

Lol, yes it is a very special kind of "drag". He is wearing Arvfurstekronan, the Crown of the Hereditary Princes of Sweden, for an opening of parliament during the reign of his father, when parliament still was opened with full pomp an circumstances à la the UK.

(Gustav V did not have a coronation and I think that from his reign on parliament was opened with the regalia just resting on cushions and the royal mantle just draped around the throne, but still in the throne hall of the palace. The present king was enthroned like that, but in his reign, when the monarchy even has lost much of its nominal powers, the king goes to parliament to open it in a suit with no regalia or orders whatsoever :-(

Arvfurstekronan, the 17th-century Crown of the Hereditary Princes of Sweden:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c303/FredrikBergow/Kroner/Sverigesarvefyrstekrona.jpg)
Smaller, similar ducal coronets existed for junior princes of the royal family. Notice the small sheaves (of corn/grain), vase or vasa in Swedish!
(All the Swedish regalia are exhibited in the Treasury or Royal Armoury of the Royal Palace in Stockholm. As European regalia go they are very old and extremely interesting, not at least the mysterious Key of State, the up-to-date yet fatally wrong geographical Orb and the true-to-the-Bible vessel for anointment oil... The royal Court's Swedish-language website with regalia picture's here: Riksregalierna (http://www.royalcourt.se/monarkinhovstaterna/densvenskamonarkin/kungligasymboler/riksregalierna.4.7c4768101a4e888378000989.html)

One of my favourite Swedish royal pictures is with the Hereditary Princes Crown: Per Krafft senior's portrait of the young Hereditary Prince Gustav (future Gustav IV Adolf) with full royal trappings, including his own crown, said Hereditary Prince's Crown, resting on a cushion (which in Sweden always is embroidered with the "three" heraldic crowns.
Cute, isn't it?
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c303/FredrikBergow/Kongelig/PerKrafftdenldreKronprinsGustav.jpg)
(To be seen at the State Portrait Gallery at Gripsholm Castle)
Also notice that in Sweden the caps (inside the crowns) and mantles of princes always are blue with open coronets embroidered on them, while the royal mantle of course i red, but there is one version with open coronets for wearing before the coronation and one with closed crowns for wearing afterwards. The latter distinction is observed with regard to the royal mantles in Norway too.)

As pre-1905 Crown Prince of Norway, Gustav was the one who finally could have worn the Norwegian arvefyrstekrone, Crown of the Hereditary princes of Norway, at his father's Norwegian coronation. (Norwegian parliament was and is opened without regalia.) At Carl XIV Johan's coronation there had been no such Norwegian crown yet and his son and heir Oscar (I) wore the Swedish one. One was made in 1846 for the upcoming Norwegian coronation of Oscar I, which never was carried out because the officiating bishop didn't want to crown a Catholic queen, Carl XV didn't have a heir apparent at his coronation, but Oscar II had Gustav, so it's a mystery to me why he didn't wear it.

(In 1906 Olav was probably too small to wear it and that was the last coronation! Luckily the present Crown Princely couple use a heraldic version above their monogramms.) See their official site for details  (http://www.kongehuset.no/kronprinsfamilien/english.html) and look for the revealing details of who has a cap inside the coronet, who has the mere outline of one and who hasn't..... Ok, this is perhaps a little off-topic, but this is after all the Scandinavian section and you see how intertwined the Swedish and Norwegian monarchies are, with the Norwegian Hereditary Princes Crown clearly modelled after the Swedish one....

Thus this beautiful piece of regalia, the only part of the Norwegian crown jewels actually made in Norway (and therefore featuring such native Norwegian gems as amethysts and freshwater pearls) has never been worn:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c303/FredrikBergow/Kroner/Norgesarvefyrstekrone-1.jpg)
(All the Norwegian regalia are exhibited next in the Archbishop's Palace next to the coronation cathedral in the coronation city of Trondheim. Very good English-language website here: The Norwegian Crown Regalia (https://info.ovf-nett.no/index.gan?id=27097)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 30, 2010, 08:45:05 AM
Little Gustav and parents, King Oscar II and Queen Sophia

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2ug2gec.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 16, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
Victoria with Gustav and her brothers.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/VictoriaGVwithbrothers.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 16, 2010, 07:32:07 PM
And illustration of Gustav and Victoria from 1881.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/VictoriaBadenGustavSweden1881.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 20, 2010, 04:40:34 PM
Prince Max of Baden, Crown Princess Vicoria and Crown Prince Gustav.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/CprsVictoriaMaxBadencprGustav_-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 28, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Victoria with her mother and brothers.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Victoriamotherandbrothers.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: THERRY on July 29, 2010, 10:38:31 AM
Thank you for posting, very beautiful photo !!!
The elder brother was Frederich ? And the younger ?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 29, 2010, 01:04:56 PM
You are very welcome.
The younger brother was Prince Ludwig Wilhelm, 1865-1888. He died of pneumonia at age 22, or by some accounts in a duel.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: THERRY on July 30, 2010, 01:44:35 AM
Many thanks for your answer. I didn't know  :) :)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 12, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
You are welcome.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoriaswedenbad.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 12, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
A portrait of Victoria.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/ViktoriaSweden.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 13, 2010, 05:08:12 AM
Beautiful portrait kmerov. Thank you very much for sharing. The (colour) photograph is great too. Is it a coloured photograph from Victoria's time or was it later colourized?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 13, 2010, 06:57:32 AM
Seem like a colored print. Lovely!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 14, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Yes, it's a coloured print that was published in a book about Victoria in the 1960ies.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 14, 2010, 05:26:30 PM
And some more pictures.
Victoria
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/youngvictoria.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/ungvicky.jpg)

Victoria in 1883
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoria1883.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 14, 2010, 05:29:08 PM
Gustav V with Doctor Axel Munthe.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustavVwithAxelMunthe.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustavMunthe.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Adagietto on August 14, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
At Munthe's villa in Capri?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 14, 2010, 06:05:11 PM
At Munthe's villa in Capri?

No at Solliden Palace and in 1931. The Palace was inspired by Munthes villa.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Adagietto on August 15, 2010, 03:31:05 AM
Oh, that's interesting; they seem to have been quite close friends.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 15, 2010, 03:04:43 PM
Yes, they were quite close. Munthe spend his last years as a guest of Gustav V in the Royal Palace in Stocholm where he also died in 1949.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 15, 2010, 03:09:05 PM
Gustav V and Victoria in 1924.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/kongeparret1924.jpg)

Gustav V and Victoria in 1925.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1925vickygustavV.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 15, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
The Royal Family in 1918, Gustav V 60th birthday.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/th_gustavV60rs.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustavV60rs.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 22, 2010, 08:33:21 AM
Gusta and Victoria
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/GustavVictoriaSw.jpg)

In costume as Gustav II Adolf and Ebba Brahe
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1885somGusavIIAdolfogEbbaBrahe.jpg)

In Egypt with Gustav Blixen, nephew of Queen Louise of Denmark.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustavvickygustafblixenEgypt1890-91.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 22, 2010, 08:44:38 AM
Another picture from the engagement series
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1881forlovelsegustavVicky.jpg)

Victoria in costume as Saint Elisabeth in 1887.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1887vickyassaintelisabeth.jpg)

From the silwer wedding in 1906
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1906slvbryllup.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on August 22, 2010, 08:49:19 AM
Gustav and Victoria with their dogs. The photo was taken by Prince Lennart around 1919.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/gustavVvictoriahunde.jpg)

In 1921
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/kongeparret1921.jpg)

And in 1924
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/1924kongeparret.jpg)

Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Svetabel on September 03, 2010, 02:30:38 AM
Gustav and Viktoria with her brother and cousins Henirich and Charlotte

(http://www.picatom.com/1l/Untitled3g25-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1l/Untitled3g25-1.html)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on September 03, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
Great picture, Svetabel.

Victoria and Gustav with Queen Alexandra, Louise and Toria and their second son, Prince Wilhelm in 1905.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/visittouk1095.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on September 03, 2010, 02:39:44 PM
At the wedding of Prince Gustav Adolf to Princess Margaret of Connaught.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on October 22, 2010, 08:26:47 AM
Victoria in 1906.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/victoria1906.jpg)

Victoria in Prussian uniform.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/vickyprussianregiment.jpg)

Victoria in 1910.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/vickyheste1910.jpg)



Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Luc on October 28, 2010, 08:16:31 AM
Where did you get these photos from, Kmerov? Are they from a book or a magazine?
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on October 28, 2010, 08:42:19 AM
In costume as Gustav II Adolf and Ebba Brahe

Wonder how they felt playing those tragic roles, considering that their marriage was not exactly happy, with Gustaf being at least bisexual and Victoria in love with Axel Munthe. Of course Victoria with her sense of duty, could both have written the lines Gustav II Adolf's mother Queen Christina of Holstein-Gottorp wrote to Ebba Brahe on the window of the garden pavillion at Braheholmen: "Det ena du vill, det andra du skall, så brukar det gå i dylika fall." (This you want, that you shall - that is the way in cases like these.) and Ebba's answer on the window "Jag böjer mig för viljan din och finner mig i lotten min" (I bend to your will and accept my fate.)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on October 29, 2010, 08:59:04 AM
Where did you get these photos from, Kmerov? Are they from a book or a magazine?

They are all from various Swedish and Danish books about Victoria and also generel Swedish Bernadotte royalty.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Luc on October 30, 2010, 08:50:41 AM
Where did you get these photos from, Kmerov? Are they from a book or a magazine?

They are all from various Swedish and Danish books about Victoria and also generel Swedish Bernadotte royalty.

Thank you! Could you name the titles of these books ? Maybe I will search after them.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 02, 2010, 12:19:07 PM
Gustav surrounded by royal ladies

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3320/24325060.png) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/24325060.png/)

 
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: violetta on December 07, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
(http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/vitavioletta/victoriaofbadenqueenofsweden.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on December 07, 2010, 11:26:34 AM
Gustav surrounded by royal ladies

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3320/24325060.png) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/24325060.png/)

 

I'm thinking they are:

Back row: Margarethe of Sweden (niece), Sybilla (granddaughter-in-law), Martha (niece), Astrid (niece), Ingeborg (sister-in-law), Ingrid (granddaughter)
Front row: Crown Princess Louise (daughter-in-law) and ??
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: KarlandZita on December 07, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
Gustav surrounded by royal ladies

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3320/24325060.png) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/24325060.png/)

 

I acknowledge Crown Princess Louise of Sweden and Queen Alexandrine of Denmark sitting with the king of Sweden. Standing behind are : Margareta, Sybille, Martha, Astrid,  Ingeborg and Ingrid. This picture therefore dates before 1936. Great find in any case, totally new for me.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 20, 2011, 09:13:02 PM
Gustaf V's Sweden, the country Maria Pavlovna could not understand, the strange place where even peasants had lace curtains and a Falu-red picket fence....: Alla vi barn i Bullarbyn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLoleOZ3qPI) :-)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 02, 2011, 06:31:38 PM
I have a question, why did Gustav and Victoria get married in Karlsruhe (in Baden) and not in Stockholm?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 02, 2011, 06:33:09 PM
Great picture, Svetabel.

Victoria and Gustav with Queen Alexandra, Louise and Toria and their second son, Prince Wilhelm in 1905.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/visittouk1095.jpg)

Does anybody have anymore pictures from this sitting by any chance (I've only seen the one of Alexandra with Toria and Louise)?

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on February 02, 2011, 06:54:36 PM
There are ones of each of the women separately but I don't know of any other group ones. I always wonder why this particular group? Alexandra's there but not Edward VII, the Connaughts aren't there along with the parents of the groom, neither of the bride's siblings are there but the grooms are and 2 cousins who she wasn't particularly close to (Louise and Toria) are in the photo.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Duke of New Jersey on February 02, 2011, 07:44:53 PM
There are ones of each of the women separately but I don't know of any other group ones. I always wonder why this particular group? Alexandra's there but not Edward VII, the Connaughts aren't there along with the parents of the groom, neither of the bride's siblings are there but the grooms are and 2 cousins who she wasn't particularly close to (Louise and Toria) are in the photo.

Any of Alexandra in particular? I've always thought that this series along with the 1887 Jubilee series (with the Stars) are Alexandra looking her regal best. 

And nice to talk to you again grandduchessella after a long time!

-Duke of NJ
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: kmerov on July 27, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/vickyhund.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/RF%20of%20Sweden/Mainau1928.jpg)
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: bongo on February 22, 2014, 09:14:24 AM
Reading her bio on Wikipedia, with its detailing of her political interference, she seems like the awful Fredericka of Greece. Combine this with her reported hautiness and absence from the country for most of the year, plus the King's hijinks, and in any hot-blooded country there would have been a revolution!
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Превед on February 22, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
Reading her bio on Wikipedia, with its detailing of her political interference, she seems like the awful Fredericka of Greece. Combine this with her reported hautiness and absence from the country for most of the year, plus the King's hijinks, and in any hot-blooded country there would have been a revolution!

True. Even if we take into consideration that Gustav V acted quite moderately and that his sexual antics didn't become known untill the 1950s, it goes to show what neutrality in destabilizing conflicts like WW1 can do for a regime's stability.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: grandduchessella on February 22, 2014, 10:06:23 PM
Reading her bio on Wikipedia, with its detailing of her political interference, she seems like the awful Fredericka of Greece. Combine this with her reported hautiness and absence from the country for most of the year, plus the King's hijinks, and in any hot-blooded country there would have been a revolution!

True. Even if we take into consideration that Gustav V acted quite moderately and that his sexual antics didn't become known untill the 1950s, it goes to show what neutrality in destabilizing conflicts like WW1 can do for a regime's stability.

Neutrality didn't help Greece much in WW1, unfortunately.

Victoria did her main duty and provided several sons so that always gains some goodwill. Plus, during many years of her 'queenship', a lot of her duties were carried out by Crown Princess Margaret who was phenomenally popular as well as her sister-in-law Ingeborg so there was someone to pick up the slack. Victoria was lucky in that regard.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: Превед on February 23, 2014, 04:41:11 AM
Neutrality didn't help Greece much in WW1, unfortunately.

Not when there was a civil war on the question of remaining neutral or not.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on January 03, 2016, 07:20:51 PM
On the site the Great war forum section on the Eastern Front there is a 1915 Swedish film dealing with the exchange of prisoners of war which includes film clips of Sweden's Queen Victoria it's tilted:

Krigsfangeutuaxlingen Genom Sverge  (1915) or try filmarkivet.se  Queen Victoria is wearing a double brested suit and a big hat with a lot of stuff on it.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on January 24, 2016, 11:08:31 PM
In Alexandra's 17/30 June 1915 letter to Nicholas there is mention of Queen Victoria coming under air attack. Here is what happened:

On 2/15 June 1915 Queen Victoria was visiting her parents in Karlsrule, Baden when it was bombed in the early morning by 23 Voisin aircraft of French Groupe de Bombardment 1. 80 people were killed and wounded the castle where Victoria was staying was also hit and a window in the room she was in had the glass shattered by a bomb. Victoria was not hurt and fled to a cellar. The French lost 2 aircraft, one do to engine trouble and one was shot down. The Swedish government was "upset with the French over this. The reason why it word of this took so long to reach Alexandra is mainly do to wartime German censorship. The Germans usually didn't report a city or town being bombed until 3 or 4 weeks later and usually had no information about casualties or damage. The British usually had something out the next day about women and children killed by German bombs ect. It looks like Alexandra didn't know about this until she got a letter from Sweden.
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on January 26, 2016, 05:40:59 PM
Here is a Swedish Lady in Waiting account from Over the Front Volume 1 Number 4

"I was still in bed when I heard aircraft and several strong explosions. I put on some clothes and ran out of my room, found a footman and told him to carry prince Lennart (the youngest Swedish prince) into the cellar and wake up the queen.
  After I had put on some more clothes, I saw from a window in the castle quite a few aircraft circling over the city. Many explosions were heard. Suddenly, two machines parted from the others did a wide turn to the right and flew straight over the castle, over the part where the Queen lived and where archduchess Louise had her rooms. The queen had just been awakened and stood by the window when the first bomb exploded. It fell just 80 steps from her window. Some windows were broken in the castle and glass splinters flew around her majesty. The castle walls were full of splinters. The bomb made a hole so big one could have put a horse in it. Shortly afterwards, another bomb exploded not far from the first. It was strange that the queen escaped without injuries. During the later parts of the attack the archduchess, the queen and the rest of us had taken refuge in the cellars."

Note the raid took place early in the morning
Title: Re: Gustav V of Sweden & Queen Victoria (Princess of Baden)
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on January 28, 2016, 06:00:40 PM
Gustav V and Victoria met with Nicholas and Alexandra in 1912 on the yacht Standart of the coast of Finland. it appears to have gone well.

Victoria had some advantages over Alexandra:

She didn't have most of the rest of her family bad mouthing her like the DE Maria F, Maria P, GD Nicholas N ect

Many upper class and conservative Swedes were pro-German before and during WW I

Most Swedes disliked Russians. A number of swedes before and during WW I provided help for Russian Revolutionaries.

The 1917 Revolutions in Russia were a big shock to Gustav V and many upper class and conservative Swedes. They realized they had to make changes or it could happen to them.