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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Balkan Royal Families => Topic started by: Janet_W. on August 19, 2004, 12:53:21 PM

Title: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Janet_W. on August 19, 2004, 12:53:21 PM
I've read a number of interesting accounts about the visit made by Nicholas and his family to the Romanian royal family at the port of Constanza. But I wonder if any photos--other than the famous group sitting and a few of Ileana and Alexei--exist of this event?

Also, is there a website which could tell us more about Constanza itself--then and now?

Many of us know the "basics"--that the event was based on a followup visit of the Romanovs to Romania, after a visit to St. P. made by Ferdinand, Marie and Carol the previous February. And that it centered on a possible match between Carol and Olga. And that the match never panned out, sincer Carol and Olga were not attracted to each other. Any additional information, however, would be interesting to read.

I've wondered, for example, where Marie's oldest daughter, Elizabeth, was that day. She doesn't show up in the photos! And how interesting for the fabulously eccentric "Carmen Sylva" to be very much in evidence. She must have added something unique to the proceedings!

Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone who can contribute to our further knowledge of this particular episode which, in retrospect, has a very bittersweet aura about it.

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Forum Admin on August 19, 2004, 01:04:23 PM
Janet,
Here is my translation of Spiridovitch's account of the visit:
The little town of Constanza, fairly pretty, was all under preparations for the reception of the Emperor of Russia.  The little casino was going to open its doors, although there were not yet any bathers.  The decoration of the town was proceeding feverishly.
     The Crown Prince crossed the town in his automobile, which he drove himself, and oversaw the preparations.  They were rehearsing the military parade which was to take place.  Everywhere we saw only military men.  The Rumanian officers struck us most singularly.  Quite well dressed, they were almost all wearing powder on their faces, with rouge on their cheeks and black around their eyes.  They left a most bizarre impression on us.  We learned much later that the Rumanian women of more maturity had a great weakness of the younger of the military.
     We were told then many curious things about the wife of the Crown Prince.  Much later, when she was already then Queen and an author, she repeated, in 1919 to a French magazine many very slanderous things on the subject of Empress Alexandra Feodrovna.  Her Majesty, as a queen and author, would have done herself better to have refrained from mentioning such subjects.

     On June 1, Their Majesties and their children arrived in Constanza aboard the Standardt.  A cavalry regiment, most handsome, was lined up along the breakwater.  All of the royal family was there to receive Their Majesties.  The parade was quite nice.  The cortege then went to the Cathedral along streets which had been most elegantly decorated and with reviewing stands set up for the public.  Certain places were totally forbidden to the public.  This was one of the measures taken by the Rumanians themselves, without any intervention on our part.
     During the parade, the Rumanian troops looked more like toys.  It was very difficult to take them seriously.
     Their Majesties lunched with the Queen Mother, Elizabeth in her home, which was a little pavilion built next to the sea, in the port, on the end of the breakwater.  The Queen was known as a writer, under the pseudonym of "Carmen Sylva."
     The Russians, on their part, invited the Rumanians to a luncheon and tea on board the Standardt, where everything was done for the most part in the Russian style.  In the evening, they had a dinner at the Palace.
     It was most unpleasant for us to listen to the absurd conversations of the Rumanians about the occasion of the visit of the Russian sovereigns.  Our diplomat, who had done much to obtain a transfer to this post, committed a misstep which was rather humiliating for the Imperial Family.  He had listened to the last idiot in Constanza who had told him that the Tsar was bringing his daughters to Rumania to marry them there.  Everyone among us was furious at our diplomats and were even more vexed at those storytellers who were repeating that story at that time about the marriage of one of our Grand Duchesses to the son of the Crown Prince, even though the matter had been definitely resolved, and was negative.  All those who knew the truth, however, were glad for it.
     Rather late in the evening, the port and town were illuminated, and the Standardt left Constanza, bringing the Imperial Family back to familiar waters, toward Odessa.
     Empress Alexandra Feodrovna was most upset about the stay in Constanza.  She said that our ambassador, Kosell-Poklevski, had arranged everything there stupidly.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Janet_W. on August 19, 2004, 01:37:25 PM
That's great, FA! That particular account I was not familiar with . . . undoubtedly due to my great talent (or lack thereof) re: languages.  ::)

I have read elsewhere that the pavilion was built for the occasion--any info on that? And were two luncheons offered--one for the royal family members at the pavilion, the other for the Russian and Romanian entourages on board the Standart? Or were these luncheons held at different times of the day, allowing the royal families to attend both? (I seem to recall photographs and written commentary that might support the latter.)

Finally, is there any information re: the palace where they dined that evening? Such as its name, its approximate location, and its style? And does anyone know if this palace, and the pavilion, still exist today?

Again, thanks for the Spiridovitch account!

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Naphtali on August 20, 2004, 09:20:52 AM
i know this is about Constanza, but as i don't really know how to start a new topic, i'm gonna ask this here:
does anybody know what happened to Archduke Franz Ferdinand's children (expecially with Sophie) after his & his wife's assassination in 1914? the only thing i found over the internet is that she got married in 1920 to some count, but that's about all. i remember they 'used' her in one of episode of 'The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones' :)
about Constanza: from what i know, the only thing which stands from those times close to the port is the casino. howver, i'll try to find out more this weekend.
Spiridovitch makes a mistake when he says about Elisabeth that she is the 'Queen Mother'. She was 'the Queen'-fullstop). Her husband, Carol I was still alive and is sitting next to anastasia in the official photo both families took that day. Mary and Ferdinand were the Crown Princess, respectively, the Crown Prince.
There was indeed much talk about the reason behind the Tsar's visit in 1915, and i am afraid that the one about a presumptive marriage between Olga and the future Carol II was just an excuse. the real reason was of a significantly pragmatic nature: the Tsar, as a representant of the Entente, was trying to win over his side the devotedly pro-Garman King Carol I. lat's not forget that the war was already going on for a year and Romania, the biggest country in the region, with quite a strategic location, hadn't yet picked her side. The Tsar's visit was nothing more than a little reminder and encouragement for the Romanian side. Looking back, it does seem a little of a deadlock situation: the only persons whom the Tsar could convince were Ferdinand and Mary - though they were already pro-Entente, but were not yet monarchs. On the other side, King Carol was being blocked by the Romaian political parties to enter the war on Germany's side. So it is obvious why Nicholas thought he could 'move' things a little. Carol's doubts and German fidelities came to an end once with his death 2 years later. Almost immediately afterwards, Romania entered the war on the Entente's side.

Q Mary's oldest daughter, Elisabeth was visiting other relatives or friends (though, i find it rather queer not to attend  at the visit of the Tsar!)i remember reading somewhere that she was actually sick at the time and Mary insisted on her stayin  in Bucharest (in a time when the city wasn't so polluted, otherways i would've had some doubts on her recovery)  ;D i'll have to look into that as well.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Janet_W. on August 20, 2004, 11:35:11 AM
Naphtali, thank you!

I've read that Elizabeth could be difficult, so I wondered if she had simply thrown a tantrum that day and refused to show up!  ::)

Did Nicholas visit in 1915 as well? I'm only familiar with the 1914 visit.

Yes, I've read enough to know that the so-called marriage talks were, by June 1914, a moot issue--but that Nicholas did want to continue cordial relations with Romania.

Any information you can provide us re: Constanza at the time of that visit would be greatly appreciated! :D

In the meantime, I'll be happy to start that new topic for you about the Archduke's orphaned children. This site does feature an option to "Start New Topic," but I didn't discover it until after many posts on this website!  :)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Naphtali on August 23, 2004, 03:52:42 AM
Hey Janet! No, my mistake it was only 1 visit. It seems that lately i've been suffering from a brain-draining disorder :P
There was only one visit -on 1st of June 1914. I've cheched it up. That was 2 week or so before the assasination of Archduke FF in Sarajevo...so we can say that was one of the last happy moments before the war started. But indeed the real reason was convincing King Carol to join the Entente, because as might know the war was being prepared from some time already. what Nicholas didn't know..or probably he suspected was that Carol I had already signed a secret agreement with Germany..anyway it didn't matter in the end because Carol I died in september 1914 and Romania entered the war on the Entente's side two years later. Carmen Sylva died in 1916 because of a respiratory disorder. They say in the end she actually asked those around her to open the windows of her apartment so the disease could finish her off more rapidly.
about the other Elisabeth, yes she was indeed a queer person, but it's unlikely to have 'escaped' an official duty of such importance sumply because of a whim. Anyway..i'll have to look more into that.
I'll try to post a link one of these days to some site about the old Constanza.
maybe even today.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Janet_W. on August 26, 2004, 12:29:45 PM

I've read several biographies re: Queen Marie and also own a few copies of books she herself wrote. She is certainly a figure of great interest, and those of us who have read about her great love of Romania are inspired to learn more about your country!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Naphtali on August 30, 2004, 06:12:46 AM
I'm glad u liked the photos!
Here's that adress i was talking about:

http://roconstanta.tripod.com/vechi/vechi.html

enjoy!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Naphtali on August 30, 2004, 06:18:20 AM
Forgot to tell you it's in Romanian. Just to give u some minimal directions: 'Tomis' is the old Roman name of Constanza; 'Pagina' is of course, 'page'; most of the photos are accompanied by years and by the name of the hotel (or other building) they represent. ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Paul on January 21, 2005, 02:05:06 AM
Queen Marie of Romania.
Of all of the surviving monarchs, she & her husband seem to have been the most pro-active in aiding Romanov refugees after the revolution.

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Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bluetoria on January 21, 2005, 10:54:18 AM
One of the most striking things to me about Marie of Roumania is the way that she, above all monarchs (or consorts) rose like phoenix from the ashes after the war. When other thrones were toppling & George was shilly-shallying - changing Germanic names & trying to please the people (sorry George V fans) - she was making dramatic gestures & speeches...
"I will never give in. have I not English blood in my veins!"
While other princesses 'got their hands dirty' tending the wounded, she needed only to float into the wards, offering her ungloved hand & handing out cigarettes, never once doubting that her very presence brought the men healing & inspiration. Incredible confidence & charm!!
And then her triumphal return to the capital, dressed like some medieval queen or Joan of Arc...ONLY Marie could have carried that off so successfully.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Martyn on January 21, 2005, 01:17:24 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/Marie25.jpg)

You are absolutely right Bluetoria.  I really don't know where Marie sprang from as she really was the most exceptional woman.  It may have been her curious mxed parentage that produced her incredibly fascinating personality; she certainly did not lack courage and probably would have profitted from a spouse who had a little more vision and imagination.  I can't imagine what she would have been like as England's queen but I get the feeling that the Balkans actually suited the colourful romantic side of her character; being Queen of beleaguered Romania enabled her to step forward and take her place on the World Stage at the end of WWI.  I feel that perhaps she might have stagnated as George's queen and that England might not have given her the scope that she needed to shine.  Here is my favourite photo of Marie taken in the 1930's.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bluetoria on January 21, 2005, 01:41:00 PM
Brilliant picture, Martyn. Everything about her - even how she raises her eyes - is so POSED but because it is she, it is also so sincere! Now SHE'D be an interesting person to invite to dinner!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Martyn on January 22, 2005, 03:40:30 AM
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Brilliant picture, Martyn. Everything about her - even how she raises her eyes - is so POSED but because it is she, it is also so sincere! Now SHE'D be an interesting person to invite to dinner!


Oh too right.  She is exactly the kind of royal personage that I admire.  Brains, beauty, great style and a very colourful imagination.  It is rumoured that Elinor Glyn based one of her potboilers on Marie.....can't remember which one though....
She would make an excellent dinner guest - are you any good at raising the dead  Bluetoria?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Martyn on January 22, 2005, 12:45:55 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/MarieofRoumania.jpg)

Have we had this one?  She really is so lovely.....
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 22, 2005, 02:10:49 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/SMROD/Royalty%202/MarieofRoumania.jpg)

Have we had this one?  She really is so lovely.....


Oh,yes,she is very,very lovely.In fact it's one of my favourite images of Maria.BTW,she has a resemblance to her mother there...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 22, 2005, 02:50:20 PM
She looks like an actress here...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/marie.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: HerrKaiser on January 22, 2005, 03:00:47 PM
Wow, I'll say she looks like an actress, although the part could be anything from a nun, to a gypsy, to an American Indian, to an east Indian maid. Must have been a costume party here, yes?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Martyn on January 24, 2005, 03:35:06 AM
Goodness those braids must be fake!  I love the pearl drop attached at the end!  Well no one can say that she didn't have a well developed sense of the theatrical!  I would love to know why she was dressed thus.....I wonder if her braids are on an Alice band under her veil? LOL
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 24, 2005, 06:29:16 AM
I was wondering about those braids too, but I really think they're hers. It's amazing seeing Royal women with their hair down. The only ones I can remember seeing like that are Queen Alexandra, Sissi (of course) and Alix of Hesse as a teenager.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Martyn on January 24, 2005, 07:27:44 AM
I'm dubious about the veracity of the braids.  They are very thick; generally when hair is braided it becomes shorter than its actual length, thus her hair when loose would be nearly as long as Sissi's.....I don't buy it, especially when you consider how fond those ladies were of false hair.......
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Jim1026 on January 24, 2005, 12:05:04 PM
Have any of our posters ever been to Romania and particularly the Royal burial church at Curtea de Argers?
If so could you please provide a description of same.
Thanks. :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 24, 2005, 12:11:32 PM
As for the braids  :)...Look at Maria's sister,Princess Beatrice! Another costume party?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessBeatrice.jpg)

Beatrice with her niece Elisabetta here  I guess around 1900-1902 years?
Baby Bea is another great favourite of mine!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on January 24, 2005, 01:05:53 PM
Oh that photo of Baby Bee and Lisabetha is so beautiful. I just love it. Thank you so much sveta.

I am thinking about starting a thread in the Windsors section about the Edinburgh kids, were we can post photos of them as children and adults and discuss them kinda like the "Pictures of the Battenbergs" thread or somthing. Anyone think this is a good idea?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 25, 2005, 03:29:14 PM
As for the one of Missy & the braids--I had almost posted that one in the Edinburgh section, it's so interesting. No one could deny her flair for the theatrical--it wouldn't have surprised me if it was for no other occasion than just dressing up. I have a series of her in a white flowing robe and some kind of covering on her head, just hanging out on a balcony posing.

Missy no doubt had a huge ego but unlike so many, it wasn't any bigger than her heart and generosity of spirit. She genuinely seems a kind person if not the easiest one to live with! I think she would've led old George V a merry chase, they were better off as friends and cousins. He maintained a large affection for her though--she said she probably appealed to whatever rebellious nature he had being his complete opposite. He was her 'beloved chum' and 'dearest Georgie' and she was his 'darling Missy'.

Since I love to collect items relating to Missy, thank God she (like Queens Alexandra & Mary) enjoyed getting their photos taken! It makes collecting so much easier (and cheaper!).

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 26, 2005, 10:10:34 PM
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Interesting that Carol made two morganatic marriages.

The first was of particular note in that Joanna Lambrino was from an old Romanian noble family. Technically, the marriage was canonically valid in the Orthodox Church.
Does anybody know anything about the relationship between the descendants of Carol & Joanna, and those of Carol & Helen of Greece? Have the two branches had much to do with eachother?

There is no contact between the families.  In fact, the elder son was conceived and born after the marriage was annulled.  Afterward, Carol II had no real contact with his elder son (and in fact, when Carol jr, tried to see Carol in Brazil, Carol Jr was told that the king knew no one by his name.)   Carol Jr lives in London with his third wife.  In the late 1950s he won court cases in POrtugal and France where he was established as one of Carol II's heirs,  from that time, he added HRH and Prince of Romania, even though the courts in France and Portugal have no jurisdiction over titles.  
He has a son "Prince Paul" who lives in ROmania and creates all sort of dissent and problems for Michael  who has never met Paul.   A younger son, ALexander, by Carol Jr. AMerican born wife, Thelma Jeanne Williams, worked as a hospital orderly in Vermont, and more recently was a ski teacher in Colorado.  Paul is married to Lia Triff Belli, the 5th or 6th wife of Melvin Belli, the divorce lawyer.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 26, 2005, 10:16:59 PM
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 Paul is married to Lia Triff Belli, the 5th or 6th wife of Melvin Belli, the divorce lawyer.


Oh, that's rich!  ::)

I didn't pick up the issues as I'm not a big Carol II fan (just thumbed through them) but didn't Royalty magazine do a multi-part series in 2004 on Carol II's relationships and children?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 27, 2005, 05:10:06 AM
I have the book written by "Prince Paul of Hohenzollern-Romania" (Carol's grandson through his relationship with Ioana Lambrino. It's called King Carol II : A Life of my Grandfather. I picked it up at a book sale last year...haven't read it though. I don't like Carol, but I couldn't resist this book because of the pictures and it was only 50p! I will try to post some pictures from the book. There are some nice ones.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 27, 2005, 09:02:12 AM
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I have the book written by "Prince Paul of Hohenzollern-Romania" (Carol's grandson through his relationship with Ioana Lambrino. It's called King Carol II : A Life of my Grandfather. I picked it up at a book sale last year...haven't read it though. I don't like Carol, but I couldn't resist this book because of the pictures and it was only 50p! I will try to post some pictures from the book. There are some nice ones.


Paul is neither a prince of Romania or Hohenzollern.  Although the courts ruled that his father was an heir of Carol II,  the rulings did not affect names or titles.  Legally, Paul is Paul Lambrino.

There is a far better bio on Carol II by Paul Quintain called The Playboy King (contrary to the title, the bio is a scholarly biography, exceptional as a matter of fact,)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 27, 2005, 09:02:51 AM
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Oh, that's rich!  ::)

I didn't pick up the issues as I'm not a big Carol II fan (just thumbed through them) but didn't Royalty magazine do a multi-part series in 2004 on Carol II's relationships and children?


Yes, Royalty did do a series (the magazine is in cohoots with Paul Lambrino)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 28, 2005, 04:38:05 AM
Here is Princess Antonia (Infanta of Portugal) Ferdinand's mother, with her grandchilren:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/hohnen.jpg)


Carol is standing in the sailor suit, Elisabeth is standing to the right of her grandmother, and Mignon is seated to the left of her, unfortunately I don't know who the other children are. (except for Prince Friedrich, the other boy standing, but I got that from the book!)  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 28, 2005, 04:50:47 AM
Great pic, Alicky! Thanks so much!
The girl behind of Antonia is Augusta Viktoria (1890-1941),future spouse of King Manoel II of Portugal.The boys in black are her twin-brothers.
Other girls and a baby at the very right (except of Romanian princesses) are children of Prince Karl Anton of Hohenzollern and Princess Josephine of Belgium.
In fact Antonia had no so many grandchildren  ;) at the moment picture was taken.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on January 28, 2005, 04:59:14 AM
I'm glad you like it! Thank you for putting names to the other faces!  :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 28, 2005, 05:38:11 AM
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Here is Princess Antonia (Infanta of Portugal) Ferdinand's mother, with her grandchilren:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/hohnen.jpg)




Just want to correct my previous post  :)

1t row: Princess Stephanie (1895-1970  ),Prince Friedrich, Mignon,Antonia herself, Elisabetta,Prince Albrecht (1898-1977) (only son of Karl Anton),Prince Nikolae of Romania.
2d row: Prss Maria Antonia (1896-1965), future Carol II,Augusta Viktoria,Prince Franz Joseph.

I guess that picture was taken around 1905 - they may be mourning for Furst Leopold,Antonia's husband.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 28, 2005, 09:51:44 AM
Queen Victoria was very fond of her cousin (her father having been Victoria & Albert's 1st cousin and she was also first cousin to 'Foxy Ferdy' of Bulgaria)

to Vicky:
Oct 6 1861
'How pleased and happy I am to hear of dear Antoinette's success--and your opiinion and description quite tally with Uncle Leopold's....How I long to see her! We are so pleased at Prince Hohenzollern's being made RH.' [Royal Highness]

Dec 30 1865
'I must speak of Leopold and Antoinette. [They had just paid a visit to QV at Osborne] I must now say how charmed with her we are. How lovely she is and what a look of dear Aunt Victoire she has. How like her she is--only handsomer perhaps. And so simple and unaffected--and dear Leopold I am so fond of. Oh! if B. and Al [Bertie and Alix] were like them! Oh if Antoinette was in Al's place! She is so much more sympathique and grande dame. Our good Al is like a distinguished lady of society but nothing more.' [guess Alix was temporarily out of favor!]

Vicky to QV Jan 2 1866:
'I am so glad you are so charmed with Antoinette. I knew you would be--she has something like a Dove in her expression, and is a great darling, but if you were to live long with her you would not find her wiser than Alix--for she is still very childish and had been so superficially educated.'

QV to Vicky Jan 6 1866:
'What you say about dear Antoinette is I think quite just. I did not mean she was cleverer than Alix but she is softer, more affectionate, and a real Princess--which the other is not.'

Vicky to QV April 27 1867
[after Leopold's sister's marriage, referring to Antoinette] '...who is in the greatest beauty and invariably admired.'

Vicky must've shared QV's affection for after Waldie's death she wrote on March 28 1879 that: 'Antoinette Hohenzollern is the only relation except the Fritz Carls who have been allowed to vist us. '

Missy (her daughter-in-law) recorded that:
'Antonia, or Antoinette, had been one of the great beauties of her time; one of those old-fashioned, classic-featured beauties, whom one associates with the crinoline. Her profile was grecian, her shoulders slopoing, her hands long and delicate, her feet very small and useless. But her figure somehow could not fit in with the clothes of the day, there was a disproportion between the bust and the legs...Superbly aristocratic, she moved slowly with a curious swinging of the hips. She loved fine clothes and jewels and, though leading almost an invalid's life, was always very smartly dressed. For several years already her health had quite broken down, and Inever knew her except as an invalid who mixed only at certain hours with other members of the family...My future mother-in-law's look were a great disappointment to me. Having heard that she had been a great beauty, I was all eagerness to see her, but I could not reconcile myself to this pale-faced, pale-lipped, Grecian-nosed woman with the too small bust and too long legs. These proportions can occasionally be beautiful, but in her case, the hips being enormous, there was something about her figure which made you feel positively uncomfortable. Had I been older, I would no doubt have understood how handsome her features still were. She was most loving and charmingly kind to me, which I later realized must have been somewhat of an effort, because, being an ardent, not to say fanatical Catholic, it was a great distress to her to have a Protestant daughter-in-law...Ferdinand was her favorite son, there was a great affinity of character between the two...Infanta Antoinia had inherited some beautiful old Spanish and Portuguese objects from her father, furniture, china, glass, ancient statuettes and some magnificent old silver. She had great taste and had set up her treasures to their best advantage; I would wander about amongst them enjoying their mellowed perfection..My mother-in-law was an interesting, if not altogether a lovable personality. She was profoundly artistic, an excellent painter, and deeply learned on certain subjects, such as botany, biology and natural history. But in other ways she had remained very narrow and her religion cramped instead of widening her heart, mind and sympathies. She was one of those people who knew no forgiveness of sinners..She was a curious mixture of dignity and childish futility, vain, self-centered, small in her judgment of others; she had no wider sympathies. Life with its broader human understanding, lay outside her field of comprehension...It was her love of beauty in general and of flowers in particular that made her congenial to me. But I never dared touch up general subjects; human conflicts she was unable to grasp, she lived so protected...nursing her delicate health, everybody serving her, caring for her, spoiling her, that she was more like an old and very exigent child than a woman who had lived a real woman's life, with its temptations, conflicts, doubts, joys, passions and pain.'

I always tend to take Missy's judgments of others with a grain of salt--she wasn't exactly the best judge of character and she herself could be remarkably unperceptive of people's failings and weaknesses. I remember she once wrote of Vicky during the Jubilee that she seemed fairly condescending when playing with them and her smile didn't quite seem real, rather false, without ever once acknowledging (even in hindsight) the tremendous pressure and grief that was hanging over them with Fritz's terminal illness.It's one thing not to recognize it as a child but she made no allowance for it as an adult writing her memoirs as well. Plus Missy certainly didn't remark favorably on those who tried in anyway to curb her wild ways or disapproved of her passionate nature.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Frederika on May 08, 2005, 04:51:31 PM
did King Karol I convert or stay protostant and did his children do the same?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on May 09, 2005, 04:44:34 AM
King Carol I and his nephew King Ferdinand I were Catholic princes. Children of Ferdinand I were Orthodox.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on May 09, 2005, 12:30:36 PM
i don't think anyone required the kings or heirs to convert if they were already raised in another religion. i didn't hear anything of carol or ferdinand converting, and i'm pretty sure missy didn't.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Frederika on May 09, 2005, 04:38:46 PM
queen marie did convert she once said "my love for my countrie Romania is my religon" there is a picture of her wearing a large orthodox cross.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on May 09, 2005, 05:41:17 PM
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queen marie did convert she once said "my love for my countrie Romania is my religon" there is a picture of her wearing a large orthodox cross.



Marie embraced and worship in orthodoxy but did not covert.  Her sister Ducky did convert to Orthodoxy.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Aliss_Kande on June 13, 2005, 01:01:19 PM
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if this person really is Queen Marie.

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/Marie28.htm

It just doesn't look like her to me
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LisaDavidson on June 14, 2005, 12:15:17 AM
Yes, it is Marie of Romania. She is just much younger than in most of the popular photographs of her.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 14, 2005, 08:56:11 PM
Here are some sites about her.

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: otmafan on June 21, 2005, 02:11:42 PM
I recently read that Missy's heart was not buried with her body. Why is that?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 21, 2005, 02:25:05 PM
"The Queen had specified this in her will, so that her subjects " who had brought their sorrows and their wishes to her heart" while she was alive, could continue to do "so even after her death".
...Quinlan, Playboy King [1995]
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: otmafan on June 21, 2005, 02:37:16 PM
Was it ever buried with her body or is it still not?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 21, 2005, 02:44:19 PM
It is a royalty thing. The body goes in the family vault, the heart in a special devotion chapel.
I do not know what has happened since the fall of the monarchy.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: otmafan on June 21, 2005, 04:42:23 PM
Which other royals did this?

(sorry for all the questions. :) )
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Robert_Hall on June 21, 2005, 05:21:18 PM
Habsburgs, Bourbons,  Coburgs [Bulgaria], Braganzas [ not very sure, but I think so]  and I think some of the English royals  as well, they all come to mind. There are others I am sure.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ooana on June 22, 2005, 07:10:40 AM
Queen Marie's heart was buried in Balcic in the Stella Maris Chapel. After Southern Part of Dobrudja was lost by Romania to Bulgaria, the heart was brought in Romania and kept hidden in Bran. Nowadays it belongs to the patrimony of the Romanian National History museum were it is kept, since 1971

Oana
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:00:55 PM
(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/8300/0231tx.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:04:47 PM
With King Ferdinand in Bucharest [1924?].

(http://img45.echo.cx/img45/4859/025127qp.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:09:40 PM
The coronation in Alba Iulia.

(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/6479/0265gi.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:12:16 PM
Missy in New York, 1926.

(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/6463/0226bv.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:15:51 PM
With Crown Princess Elena, Prince Nicholas and Princess Ileana, in 1927, Bucharest.

(http://img45.echo.cx/img45/1882/0195yz.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 27, 2005, 01:29:34 PM
(http://img45.echo.cx/img45/153/03317vs.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on June 29, 2005, 12:17:24 AM
(http://img158.echo.cx/img158/4932/03319fk.jpg)
Copyright © Humanitas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 13, 2005, 12:36:24 PM
I'm not sure but I think the sovereign and the potential heirs to the throne were required by law to be orthodox.

I know for sure that King Michael insisted that his children will be orthodox, creating some problem with Queen Anne's family and the Vatican that were only recently put aside.

Can I add that the very presence of King Michael has something... spiritual to it? This is what I, a number of my friends and even some if his enemies feel in his company.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 13, 2005, 01:09:05 PM
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I'm not sure but I think the sovereign and the potential heirs to the throne were required by law to be orthodox.

I know for sure that King Michael insisted that his children will be orthodox, creating some problem with Queen Anne's family and the Vatican that were only recently put aside.

Can I add that the very presence of King Michael has something... spiritual to it? This is what I, a number of my friends and even some if his enemies feel in his company.


Carol I and Ferdinand were Roman Catholic. They did not convert nor were they asked to or required to. However, they did agree to rise all their children in Orthodoxy.

Marie was Lutheran as was Queen Elizabeth. They did not convert nor were they asked to or required to. However, they did agree to rise all their children in Orthodoxy.

From Carol II on, all direct heirs to the Romanian throne have been orthodox.

TampaBay

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 13, 2005, 04:21:31 PM
You're probably right TampaBay!

I heard something strange some years ago... is it true that Missy was attracted [at least for a brief period] to the Bahai sect/religion [or something similar]?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 16, 2005, 08:25:27 AM
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You're probably right TampaBay!

I heard something strange some years ago... is it true that Missy was attracted [at least for a brief period] to the Bahai sect/religion [or something similar]?


palimpsest,

This is entirely true!  Marie was very universal in her faith,  She did not care where a person went to chucrh or want day they attended services.  In this matter her veiws were much like her uncle's, Edward VII.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on July 19, 2005, 04:09:52 PM
I adore Marie!Do somebody want to speak about her with me?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 19, 2005, 06:47:14 PM
L.
everybody on this forum seems to like Missy; there are so many threads about her, not only in the Balkan "section"; do you have any questions or thoughts to share?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on July 20, 2005, 10:43:35 AM
Queen Marie was Anglican.  She was confirmed in the Lutheran church, but she was Anglican, and worshipped at the Anglican church in Bucharest.

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Carol I and Ferdinand were Roman Catholic. They did not convert nor were they asked to or required to. However, they did agree to rise all their children in Orthodoxy.

Marie was Lutheran as was Queen Elizabeth. They did not convert nor were they asked to or required to. However, they did agree to rise all their children in Orthodoxy.

From Carol II on, all direct heirs to the Romanian throne have been orthodox.

TampaBay


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on July 20, 2005, 12:13:46 PM
i think she was an amazing person, the kind you can't help but admire... she was lucky but she also did her duty very well and even went beyond that :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 20, 2005, 12:17:52 PM
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Queen Marie was Anglican.  She was confirmed in the Lutheran church, but she was Anglican, and worshipped at the Anglican church in Bucharest.



Marlene,

Sorry!  You are 100% correct.  I was thinking in regards as to Marie being "from Germany" at the time of her marriage.  Being a Methodists, I just lump all Protestants into the same group "Protestant".

Pleae forgive! :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on July 20, 2005, 12:52:10 PM
Missy's heart is in gold casket with romanian heraldic sybols. Casket is now in hiden place in Buchurast.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ChristineM on July 20, 2005, 01:07:38 PM
When King Robert the Bruce died in 1329, he was buried in Dunfermline.

However, his heart was removed and carried on the Crusades.   In Moorish Spain, Sir James Douglas (Black Douglas), before he was killed, he hurled Bruce's heart at the enemy.

The heart was retrieved and returned to Scotland where, on the orders of Robert the Bruce's son, King David II, it was buried at Kelso Abbey.

At that time, the heart of the monarch was perceived as a focus of loyalty.

tsaria
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on July 20, 2005, 01:34:37 PM
 Message for Palimsest:
 Can you tell me something about Maria's life after World War I, please.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 20, 2005, 01:41:00 PM
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Message for Palimsest:
  Can you tell me something about Maria's life after World War I, please.


What do you want to know?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on July 20, 2005, 02:05:21 PM
I read that she write some chapters of her autobiography "Story of my Life" that was not published. Is that truth?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 20, 2005, 02:10:08 PM
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I read that she write some chapters of her autobiography "Story of my Life" that was not published. Is that truth?


Yes & No!

There were chapters written not published during her lifetime.  However, it is my understsnding, a Volume III has been recently issused or will be issused with the new chapters and new material.  

Do not quote me on this matter.  I could be very wrong.  Marlene should know more about this matter.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on July 21, 2005, 08:21:12 AM
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Yes & No!

There were chapters written not published during her lifetime.  However, it is my understsnding, a Volume III has been recently issused or will be issused with the new chapters and new material.  

Do not quote me on this matter.  I could be very wrong.  Marlene should know more about this matter.

TampaBay



um i have 'story of my life' in three volumes, all of them 1990 edition... the story finishes after the first world war
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 21, 2005, 09:06:24 AM
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um i have 'story of my life' in three volumes, all of them 1990 edition... the story finishes after the first world war


ilyala,

Thank you for the update.  Did you buy them on Amazon.com?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: BalchikBob on July 22, 2005, 07:47:31 AM
Queen Marie's heart was, by her request, buried separately.  QM had build a summer palace in Balchik (now Bulgaria) and on the grounds was constructed a small Orthodox Chapel.  Her heart was buried there.  I believe when Balchik reverted back to Bulgaria after WWII  the heart was retrieved and buried back in Romania.  Not to be morbid, an interesting photo of the heart's casket is on page 127 of "Later Chapters of my Life" by Mandache.


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: BalchikBob on July 22, 2005, 07:52:38 AM
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Queen Marie's  "How I came to Tenha Yuvah" written in 1928, or "Stella Maris. The Smallest Church in the Land" written in 1930.  Thanks.  Balchik Bob, bobgal@usa.net
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: BalchikBob on July 22, 2005, 07:56:26 AM
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Queen Marie's "How I came to Tenha Yuvah" written in 1928, or, "Stella Maris. The Smallest Church in the Land" written in 1930?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 28, 2005, 12:43:04 PM
L.
I'm sorry not to have noticed your request. I haven't read this book. :-/
Thanks TampaBay for your help!

palimpsest
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on July 28, 2005, 01:10:42 PM
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um i have 'story of my life' in three volumes, all of them 1990 edition... the story finishes after the first world war



in  Britain, story of my life was published in three volumes .. in the USA, the same three were published in 2 volumes.    A third book, edited by Diana Mandache, was published a year or so ago.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on July 28, 2005, 02:04:09 PM
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in  Britain, story of my life was published in three volumes .. in the USA, the same three were published in 2 volumes.    A third book, edited by Diana Mandache, was published a year or so ago.


Was not the Mandache book to contain portions of Marie's diary & private letters not previously published?

Have you read the Mandache book? Is it any good?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on July 28, 2005, 02:15:24 PM
The book is called "Later chapters of my life : the lost memoir of Queen Marie of Romania", 2004.

I haven't read this one either. :-/ [I just requested both of them from my university library]
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: cimbrio on August 01, 2005, 02:13:41 PM
The Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen branch of the Hohenzollern family always remained Catholic, unlike the senior branch which reigned in Brandenburg, Prussia and later Germany, which turned Protestant. You can see a wonderful huge family tree of both lines (and the other, lesser important ones) in Burg Hohenzollern, near Hechingen (Baden-Wurttemberg). I visited it last April and it was amazing. Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria are mainly Catholic and Carol I's branch came from there, thus they were Catholic, while his other relatives from the north reigned over Protestant lands.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on August 07, 2005, 04:31:53 AM
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ilyala,

Thank you for the update.  Did you buy them on Amazon.com?

TampaBay


no i found it in an old books shop... as i said, 1990 edition :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 12, 2005, 12:48:00 PM
The caskets in which the Queen Marie’s heart was kept. According to her last wish, Marie wanted her heart to be removed and buried separately, as in the medieval custom [Courtesy of the National History Museum of Romania]


(http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/595/caskets8oa.jpg)
[From “Later chapters of my life, The lost memoir of Queen Marie of Romania” by Diana Mandache 2004]
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on August 12, 2005, 12:54:10 PM
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From “Later chapters of my life, The lost memoir of Queen Marie of Romania” by Diana Mandache 2004



palimpsest,

Is this book any good?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 12, 2005, 01:23:14 PM
Yes TampaBay
It is mainly a manuscript [Missy's] found in Romanian achieves that was intended to be a continuation of "The story of my Life'. The introduction is very interesting and there are some rare photos. There are twelve chapters:

Postwar Readjustment
Effort
The Peace Conference
England
Back again to Paris
Home
Transylvania
Political Worries
Torn Threads
The First Parliament in Great Romania
Social Reconstruction and Welfare Activities
Trying to Quiet Unrest

a thirteen chapter is missing [it was probably about Carol II]

there is also a description of The Coronation of King Ferdinand and Queen Marie [Missy's]


I think the part with the Peace Conference is the most interesting.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on August 12, 2005, 08:22:58 PM
Say what one will say about Missy, she worked for world Peace and her country!

Would love to read the missing chapter on Carol II or any reliable source him.  I still do not understand Carol II.  Check out "MY" comments on him in the Windsor thread "Top Ten Hated Royals".

Did you have any luck with the Kent State archives?

Tampabay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 12, 2005, 08:41:43 PM
Her intervention at the Peace Conference and in England was VERY important for Romania!!!

The chapter on Carol II is probably missing because of Carol II. I can't say I hate him, just that I am sad that his weaknesses were detrimental to the country and crown.

Diana Mandache says the queen sent a copy somewhere safe but nobody knows where.

I found the Kent State files but I haven't asked for them. But I read from "The story of my life" and "Later chapters...", they are great!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 16, 2005, 01:42:16 PM
A book designed by Missy in Art-Nouveau style, at Pelisor Castle

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8703/mcppelisor72nj.gif)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 02:34:53 AM
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4281/untitled11nh8we.jpg)
From "The Story of my Life"
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 02:37:49 AM
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2841/untitled16nh0zl.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 02:38:33 AM
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4845/untitled15nh4xi.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 02:49:54 AM
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/402/untitled18nh3ts.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 02:55:27 AM
(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5056/untitled3nh5lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:54:17 AM
(http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4643/untitled3sdwe3455661qz.jpg)
[From “Later chapters of my life, The lost memoir of Queen Marie of Romania” by Diana Mandache 2004]
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 03:55:01 AM
(http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/4581/untitled2fert567678m3wc.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on August 24, 2005, 04:55:17 AM
Thank you so much for the lovely pictures.  I know it took alot of time.  You have made the day of all the Queen Marie fans.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 06:02:59 AM
I quite agree with TampaBay!Thanks
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: darius on August 24, 2005, 06:30:08 AM
She really was fantastic!
What did she die of. In the final photo she doesn´t look at all well.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on August 24, 2005, 08:04:19 AM
OHHH,thanks for posting the photos of Marie!!! They are just great! :o
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on August 24, 2005, 10:03:57 AM
I'm happy you enjoy them!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on August 25, 2005, 07:19:45 AM
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She really was fantastic!
What did she die of. In the final photo she doesn´t look at all well.




she had a liver illness, i don't know how to say it in english... it's an illness that you get usually from too much alcohol or in rare cases (like hers) genetically
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 08, 2005, 06:27:39 PM

Marie (as Crown Princess of Romania), wife of King Ferdinand

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/MariePortrait1.jpg) by Arthur de Ferraris


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:23:51 PM
QUEEN MARIE OF ROMANIA, wife of King Ferdinand

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/MariePortrait2.jpg) by Philip A. de Laszlo


I think Marc will just "HATE" this portrait!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:30:11 PM

Queen Marie 1915 Photocard

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/Marie20.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:32:06 PM

Marie and Mignon (postcard 1910)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/Marie+Mignon1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:33:22 PM

Queen Marie with Stella Maris Church, Balcic

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/Marie16.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:37:22 PM

Queen Marie of Romania, 1936

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/Marie69.jpg)

Oil on canvas, Private collection, Switzerland
A Brush With Grandeur - Philip Alexius de László (1869-1937)
Paul Holberton Publishing, London, 2004
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 05:51:11 PM
H.M. Queen Marie, the Queen Mother of Roumania, 1936

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/Marie70.jpg) by Laszlo

Oil on canvas, In the possession of the artist on his death; Patrick de Laszlo, his fourth son.
A Brush With Grandeur - Philip Alexius de László (1869-1937)
Paul Holberton Publishing, London, 2004
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on September 09, 2005, 06:12:16 PM

QUEEN MARIE AS AN ANGEL OF MERCY, 1919

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Graphic/images/3.jpg)

In this picture, drawn from a photograph by M. Jean Ursescu, the Queen of Roumania, in the costume of a Red Cross nurse, is seen distributing dainties to poor orphaned Roumanian children. She is seen accompanied by her second son, Prince Nicolas, on her right.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on September 23, 2005, 12:48:46 AM
Just ordered Diana Mandache's book "Later chapters..." !! Hope it's a great book  :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 23, 2005, 04:04:36 PM
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Just ordered Diana Mandache's book "Later chapters..." !! Hope it's a great book  :D


It is certainly worth having if you are interested in QMOR. A great book? There are few books that are "great", but it's certainly good!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on September 24, 2005, 06:52:29 PM
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It is certainly worth having if you are interested in QMOR. A great book? There are few books that are "great", but it's certainly good!


Hannah Pakula's book on Missy, Queen Marie of Romania is great!

TampBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 25, 2005, 12:52:21 PM
Hi i'm Laura from Romania and it is the first time i'm here but i was very curious so ...i must say my englih is very bad but i 'll do my best.
I wanted to say that i adore  Missy,our dear and beloved Queen,she is my model and i think the fact that she is now(at least)remembered by so many romanians is graet,because she deserves this and a lot more from her dear country. MARIE OF ROMANIA was the perfect royal character,a perfect equilibrium between beauty and nobility. the most human queen from all points of view.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on September 26, 2005, 09:17:06 AM
  Laurra, dont worry, your English is great! I am so glad that is so many people that adore Queen Marie of Romania. It is great that all that beautiful things that you sead about her are trought! I am from Serbia.  I first heard  for Marie in 2001, from her autobiography "The Story of My Life" (published in Serbia 1936). That is very interesting and beautiful book. I am very seed because there is only one book about Marie that was  published in Serbia.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on September 27, 2005, 02:02:48 AM
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 That is very interesting and beautiful book. I am very seed because there is only one book about Marie that was  published in Serbia.


And there is no  book in Russian about Queen Marie! >:(...Only some lines in historical articles in Internet. I  have to order English books! :) Pakula's book is great!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Werchovsky on September 27, 2005, 06:21:05 PM
The interesting historical point about Constanza was the banter amongst the Russian Diplomatic Core regarding the upcoming assassination of Franz-Ferdinand.

From Schel'king "Recollections of a Russian Diplomat" pp 194-196

“On the first of June, 1914, Emperor Nicholas had an interview with King Charles I of Roumania, at Constanza.  I was there at the time …  yet as far as I could judge from my conversation with members of his (Russian Foreign Minister Sazonoff’s) entourage, he (Sazonoff) was convinced that if the Archduke were out of the way, the peace of Europe would not be endangered.  For my part after I left Constanza I spent ten days in Bucharest, and then went to Budapeste and Vienna.  At both places I had interviews with Austro-Hungarian statesmen; as for instance Count Tisza, President of the Hungarian Council and Count Forgach, Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs in Austria-Hungary.  Some of these interviews I sent to my paper in Petrograd and in them, contrary to the opinion held by Sazonoff, I held strongly to the opinion that owing to the death of the Archduke the situation had become infinitely more serious….

When I returned to Petrograd on the 2nd of July, 1914…”

At the time of publication in 1919, Entente apologists claimed "out-of-the-way" might have an innocent interpretation.

Werchovsky
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on September 29, 2005, 09:37:48 AM
  Did Queen Marie doing housework all  by herself? Did she cleaned up the rooms, made her bed, kept the fire in  the fireplace...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 30, 2005, 09:07:57 AM
I don't think Marie of Romania cleaned up the rooms all by herself or kept the fire in the fireplace...the guides from Cotroceni and Peles told me that the royal family had had many servants and maids so it wasn't necessary for The Great Queen to do housework!
Maybe she made her bed:):)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 30, 2005, 09:29:48 AM
 "I have said abroad that Romania is not just a friend but a center of civilizationand order in the East,if helped toovercome the present crisis,it may turn into a source of welfare for both the Romanian and neighboring peoples"
             -Marie of Romania(Diary,26 April 1919)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on September 30, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
  Thank you Laurra. By the way in autobiography of Marie, published on serbian (1936) there are not soo many pictures?!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on September 30, 2005, 10:09:41 AM
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 Did Queen Marie doing housework all  by herself? Did she cleaned up the rooms, made her bed, kept the fire in  the fireplace...


Marie did many things but house work was not one of them!  ;D ;D ;D

I believe I read somewhere (but cannot quote the source off hand) that Mignon enjoyed doing house work and gardening!  

Upon becoming Queen of Yugoslavia, she did the majority of her own gardening with a crew of workers she trained herself!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 01, 2005, 12:37:07 PM
Mignon was  not at all conceited or spoiled(like Elizabeth) and it's very probable that she did housework.Queen Marie said that ''Marioara was always there to help others when they needed-and that she was never lazy...and i completely agree with this!!!!! Mignon was so sweet  and kind that she  always reminds me of Mashka Romanov(both in appearance and personality)...i don't know why??? ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 02, 2005, 01:33:19 PM
L.,
In my book there are few pictures  too and all of very bad quality.The autobiography was published in 1991 in Romania.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on October 02, 2005, 02:06:56 PM
 Laurre,
  In my book there are not soo many pictures, but they are high quality! What Romanians think about Queen Marie today?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 03, 2005, 04:05:37 AM
Well ,now Romanians are in a process(a very slow process) of "wakening" from their long "communist nightmare" ,therefore ever more Romanians started to appreciate their countries real treasures-and one of those is Marie,our dear Queen.During Communism,you couldn't even mention her name,nobody spoke about Romanian Royalty so my parents didn't know anything about Marie(not even that she existed) untill i "discovered" her 3 years ago.That was cruelty,i can't find other word :( :( :(
Can you imagine that there had always been flowers on the tomb of Neagoe Basarab yet no flower for her,she who adored flowers so much ??? ???
But today she is quite known by "Her People" and i dare say she is loved ,but not as she would have wanted,unfortunately,not as she loved us(my generation lost interest for history,in general)but I love her dearly,i love her for each  Romanian citizen who hasn't heard about  her.  :) :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on October 04, 2005, 08:47:49 AM
  Yes Laurra, almost every Balkan country hed "communist nightmare". I think that in Romania was the biggest horor since World War II, like in Serbia or ex-Yugoslavia. That is the biggest problem of our Balkan countries.
 It is great that we are remembering our royal families. That is very important! That is our history!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 04, 2005, 11:26:28 AM
It is probable that her heart will(soon!!!)leave The National Museum In Bucharest.The precious casket will either return to Balcic(if Romania and Bulgaria will join the UE) or to Bran(a better option).
My humble opinion is that after its long,long  journey  her heart should reunite with her body at Curtea de Arges and never leave Romania again.She was Queen of Romania not of Bulgaria therefore her dear heart must remain with us forever   :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on October 11, 2005, 08:11:51 AM
  What Queen Marie loved to read? Who was her favorite writer? ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 11, 2005, 08:27:16 AM
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 Did Queen Marie doing housework all  by herself? Did she cleaned up the rooms, made her bed, kept the fire in  the fireplace...


No.  The Palace would have staff from cleaning staff to cooking to serving to dusting. Marie would also have her own ladies' maids to help her dress, prepare her bath,  make sure her clothes were clean and ready to wear, etc.  She also would have secretaries to take care of correspondence, etc.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 11, 2005, 08:31:15 AM
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Mignon was  not at all conceited or spoiled(like Elizabeth) and it's very probable that she did housework.Queen Marie said that ''Marioara was always there to help others when they needed-and that she was never lazy...and i completely agree with this!!!!! Mignon was so sweet  and kind that she  always reminds me of Mashka Romanov(both in appearance and personality)...i don't know why??? ???


I sincerely doubt that Mignon went around with a vaccum or dust rag.   Mignon's sole goal in life was to marry well, and she was married off to Alexander of Serbia. It was not a happy marriage .. she gave birth to heir and two spares, but she and Alexander were not happy.  It's not a surprise that she did not accompany him on that visit to France when he was assassinated.  She was also not the best of mothers, and in exile, was largely distant from her sons (I do not mean physical distance), and lived for the final years with another woman.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 11, 2005, 08:32:38 AM
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I don't think Marie of Romania cleaned up the rooms all by herself or kept the fire in the fireplace...the guides from Cotroceni and Peles told me that the royal family had had many servants and maids so it wasn't necessary for The Great Queen to do housework!
Maybe she made her bed:):)



I sincerely doubt that Marie made her own bed ...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 12, 2005, 12:07:18 PM
Marlene,
your opinion about Mignon is so...negative and...sad...although i will never agree with this i respect it since it is your sincere opinion.I think she suffered a lot in exile,of course this doesn't justify her being distant from her sons...but maybe her sons were distant to her,maybe they disappointed her:(:( and i didn't say she went around with the vaccum-cleaner..only that she was not as lazy as Elisabeth and that she was very sweet in her youth).
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 12, 2005, 12:24:22 PM
 Marie of Romania read a lot of Nietzsche and Tagore ,who visited her at Cotroceni Palace!Her diary abounds in quotations and passages from these two.
And there are other names too ...i can't remember them now:(:(
Also The Bible,she was a very religious person.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 12, 2005, 12:59:23 PM

My information comes from her family, regarding her relations with her sons.   She was never a motherly sort of woman.


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Marlene,
your opinion about Mignon is so...negative and...sad...although i will never agree with this i respect it since it is your sincere opinion.I think she suffered a lot in exile,of course this doesn't justify her being distant from her sons...but maybe her sons were distant to her,maybe they disappointed her:(:( and i didn't say she went around with the vaccum-cleaner..only that she was not as lazy as Elisabeth and that she was very sweet in her youth).

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on October 13, 2005, 07:29:21 AM
  Did she loved to read russians or franch writers, maybe?
 Wich church was her favorite? I know that she loved russian churches very, very much.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 13, 2005, 09:58:21 AM
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 Did she loved to read russians or franch writers, maybe?
  Wich church was her favorite? I know that she loved russian churches very, very much.



On Sundays,  King Ferdinand would head to the Roman Catholic Church. Queen Marie attended Anglican Services; and the royal children went to the Orthodox church.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: kmerov on October 13, 2005, 12:19:53 PM
What a universel family.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on October 13, 2005, 01:02:20 PM
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What a universel family.  ;D



well - Ferdinand was not required to be Orthodox when he became king - and Marie had no need to convert,  but their children were required to be Orthodox.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on October 17, 2005, 03:38:46 AM
that was one of the reasons she was picked as a match for nando. a catholic would have been less willing to allow her children be baptized in another religion. i also think there had to be lots of negotiations with the pope not to excomunicate nando for his allowance
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: BalchikBob on October 21, 2005, 06:37:00 PM
Queen Marie's heart should stay exactly where she requested - in the little chapel on the summer palace grounds in Balchik.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 22, 2005, 01:58:14 PM
She requested this when Balcic was part of Romania!!!If she had known what was going to happen in the second war,when Romania lost Balcic  her choice would have been different...i'm sure she would have chosen Bran or other location but in Romania ,her beloved country.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on October 22, 2005, 03:40:21 PM
i'm agreeing with this. it would be rather weird to have a queen of romania's heart reziding in bulgaria
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on October 22, 2005, 04:33:12 PM
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She requested this when Balcic was part of Romania!!!If she had known what was going to happen in the second war,when Romania lost Balcic  her choice would have been different...i'm sure she would have chosen Bran or other location but in Romania ,her beloved country.


I think it should be placed with an eternal flame in Cotroceni Palace, Missy's home from the age of 19 until her death.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 25, 2005, 01:59:37 AM
The National Museum of History is not a proper place for a  heart in general, therefore her heart should be placed in one of her homes.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on October 25, 2005, 06:01:46 PM
Laura,

I understand but could we not build a chapel on the grounds (when I win the Lotto), furnish it with as many orginal Missy things as we can find, and let her heart rest at the home she spent the most time and made her reputation as a great queen?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 26, 2005, 10:42:13 AM
You are perfectly right...if only that was possible but unfortunately is not :(:(They keep on talking and talking about  moving the casket ...and they do nothing...magazine,newspaper talkshow but nothing concrete...her dear heart is still in that horrible place called  museum which is always closed to people,they are always restorating it and so we can't go there see her heart ( ... the casket)...hope someday they'll transferr her heart to Cotroceni,the place where she lived most time and made her reputation as great queen or to her beloved BRAN,the place where she made her reputation as  Mama Regina,The Mother of all romanians.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 26, 2005, 04:28:23 PM
and some more of dear Missy

(http://www.bar.acad.ro/www_rom/mar2.jpg)


(http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/maria/reginac.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 26, 2005, 04:40:03 PM
(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Graphic/images/2b.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Graphic/images/2a.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/MileHighClub/images/2.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Graphic/images/2c.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Chocolates/images/1.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/SoldierQueen/images/333a.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110399.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/PrincessIleana/ILiveAgain/images/009.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 26, 2005, 05:07:30 PM
does anyone have this bigger...cause i'm searching and searching and nothing...please help me:)Laura

(http://www.catteacorner.com/images/marie2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 04:23:46 AM
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Laura--I just bought the postcard so I can scan it for you if you tell me where you got the great pictures (#1 and #3) you posted today.  :)  From the first one, I have a few photos from that sitting but I've never seen that particular one.



a romanian site

 http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/maria/index.htm      but  

this were the only i found there and they are quite little...:( it would be so nice you post more photos-maybe more from that sitting-since your photos are great GDella...also the postcard you said you bought...i've searched everywhere for that particular one
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 10:04:30 AM
Marie again

(http://www.timberpress.com/beverleynichols/photos/queen.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110400.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/PrincessIleana/Gallery/images/Marie&Ileana11.jpg)

(http://www.geocities.com/jibarrahdez/7MISSY.jpg)

(http://www.salzburg.co.at/gurschner/Bildhauer_Gurschner/bilder/b1912004.jpg)

(http://www.ouardashirazi.blogger.com.br/marie-roumanie.jpg)

(http://www.rri.ro/images/Regina_Maria.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120559.jpg)

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 11:04:09 AM
this is so funny:):):)

(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/QueenMarie_Romania_RedTomahawk1926.jpg)


Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 11:07:52 AM


(http://www.apulum.ro/album/1%20dec/IMAGE13.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 11:10:31 AM
The Romanian Royal family painted in a church

(http://home.xnet.com/~jkelley/BucharestBugle.fldr/Romania.Images/Iroyalfamily3.JPG)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 11:36:50 AM
(http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/graphics/nw_romania_royalty_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 12:03:28 PM
(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/WarEntry/images/5-5.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/WarEntry/images/5-4.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/WarEntry/images/5-6.jpg)

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/FlightFromRumania/images/04b.jpg)



Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 04:43:15 PM
(http://www.inetours.com/N_West/Maryhill_Museum/images/R_Marie_poster.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 27, 2005, 04:46:24 PM
(http://www.roconsulboston.com/Media/Culture/QM30s.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 28, 2005, 03:03:15 AM
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(http://home.xnet.com/~jkelley/BucharestBugle.fldr/Romania.Images/Iroyalfamily3.JPG)



this is painted in a church in Iasi(Moldova)
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 28, 2005, 03:31:00 AM
QM's tomb


(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/TomsRomania/18May/images/DSCN0748.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 28, 2005, 03:42:53 AM
Marie of Romania

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/TomsRomania/08May/images/Exhibition.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on November 29, 2005, 01:32:13 AM
Laura, could you please translate us the text on the tombstone?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on November 29, 2005, 08:20:20 AM
in this saintly place of curtea de arges (the town in which it's the monastery where she was burried) rests maria queen of the reunited romania, princess of great britain and ireland, mother of the wounded and of all the unfortunate, born in eastwell england, on the 29th of october 1875 and laid to rest with god in sinaia on the 18th of july 1938. Rest, Lord, the soul of your subject, in a green place where there's no sadness or sighs, just life without end. This tombstone has been set at the desire of mother Alexandra, daughter of queen Maria, on the expense of the Arges Monastery, in 1998.

:)
something like that
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 29, 2005, 01:12:37 PM
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in this saintly place of curtea de arges (the town in which it's the monastery where she was burried) rests maria queen of the reunited romania, princess of great britain and ireland, mother of the wounded and of all the unfortunate, born in eastwell england, on the 29th of october 1875 and laid to rest with god in sinaia on the 18th of july 1938. Rest, Lord, the soul of your subject, in a green place where there's no sadness or sighs, just life without end. This tombstone has been set at the desire of mother Alexandra, daughter of queen Maria, on the expense of the Arges Monastery, in 1998.

:)
something like that


thanks for translating the text ilyala,i think these words are beautiful
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on November 30, 2005, 12:37:22 AM
i think it was nice of ileana and of the monastery to place the stone. was a simmilar stone placed on nando's tomb? i keep planning to go to curtea de arges to visit the tombs but i never get around to it  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 30, 2005, 02:25:55 AM
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i think it was nice of ileana and of the monastery to place the stone. was a simmilar stone placed on nando's tomb? i keep planning to go to curtea de arges to visit the tombs but i never get around to it  :(



The tomb of King Ferdinand

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/TomsRomania/18May/images/DSCN0749.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 01, 2005, 01:44:18 PM
they were also exhibited at the romanian history museum in bucharest. i went to see them, they're all great :)

i bugged my best friends for 10 minutes at every picture with details about the person in it :D... i'm such a geek ::)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 01, 2005, 02:36:32 PM
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Marie of Romania

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/TomsRomania/08May/images/Exhibition.jpg)


actually this was the poster of the exhibition(intitled"The Romanian Royal Family's Universe") held in Bucharest(you can see the exact period)
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on December 01, 2005, 02:48:20 PM
  Laurra, when and how did you heard for Missy for the first time?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 01, 2005, 04:35:25 PM
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 Laurra, when and how did you heard for Missy for the first time?



once upon a time i went with my parents at the celebration of the 1st of  December1918(Romania's National Day,btw Happy Birthday Romania ;D)and there we met several older people who had this passionately conversation on QM...i was very young then so i didn't pay enough attention to them but that was the first time i heard her name;the moment i really"discovered "her was when i first visited Bran(in 2001-better late than never);then i've begun to read every book on her and to buy every photo of her that i could find...and now,as you probably have noticed,i'm her biggest admirer and "collector"of her photos :D
How did you hear of Marie for the first time,L.??
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 02, 2005, 02:08:08 AM
not that i was asked, but i'm butting in and answering anyway ;D.

the royal period of romania was very well erased by the communists in the romanian's memory. so well, that my junior high history teacher didn't mention them much except the basics: the first king was carol, this happened in his reign, etc etc... no mention of the wives. i first heard about queen marie in high school when i had a really good history teacher (the one that developed my love for history, btw). she mentioned that queen marie was the granddaughter of queen victoria and of czar alexander 2nd. i found that extraordinary, that a woman of such important... shall i call it pedigree? :P... with such ancestors, would marry what was at the time a quite unimportant prince. the fact that she was english was even more interesting, because i had and i still have a soft spot for english history. so i became interested... and here i am :P
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 02, 2005, 05:28:50 AM
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the royal period of romania was very well erased by the communists in the romanian's memory. so well, that my junior high history teacher didn't mention them much except the basics: the first king was carol, this happened in his reign, etc etc... no mention of the wives. i first heard about queen marie in high school when i had a really good history teacher (the one that developed my love for history, btw).


Your story about teachers  :) reminds me my own first steps to the 'History" science! My 1st teacher did not know anything interesting on the Romanovs!!! Well, only info that "Nikolay II was weak and Empress Alexandra Fedorovna was bad"  :P...But the 2d teacher was able to tell such exciting stories that I was captured by the Royalties! ;D...

 I was not asked either  :) but...First time I read about Queen Marie in some fiction book where she was described as a flamboyant blue-eyed beauty eager for..men  :P

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on December 02, 2005, 09:21:52 AM
I was going through the library of some family friends ours some 4 years ago. It was then that I found 'The Story Of My Life'. I was thrilled by it and that's actually how I first heard about Marie. I felt really bad when I had to return the book to them... Luckily, one year ago, I found it again in a store that sells old books. It was released in 1936 and it's in Serbian. Unfortunately, it's the only book about Marie obtainable in Serbia. :( :-/ Everything else about Marie I learned on the internet. ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 02, 2005, 09:28:01 AM
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 Your story about teachers  :) reminds me my own first steps to the 'History" science! My 1st teacher did not know anything interesting on the Romanovs!!! Well, only info that "Nikolay II was weak and Empress Alexandra Fedorovna was bad"  :P...But the 2d teacher was able to tell such exciting stories that I was captured by the Royalties! ;D...
cribed as a flamboyant blue-eyed beauty eager for..men  :P



it was exactly the same with me! the first teacher was giving us dates and facts that made no sense to me. the second teacher told us about the teacher, told stories that made me want to know more... she is the reason i am studying history today... :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 03, 2005, 07:30:51 AM
thanks everyone for your interesting stories,i really enjoyed reading everything...i think it's wonderful we finally heard of QM and that today we are all together writing about her:)that's great indeed
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Melville on December 03, 2005, 10:04:10 PM
Grand Duchess Ella has indicated this forum to me, and I have brought over a link to the five pages of more than 90 photographs of Queen Marie of Romania while she was still the Crown Princess of Romania.

here is the link to the first page of twenty

http://www.geh.org/ar/celeb/queen-marie_sld00001.html

thereafter when you press NEXT you can go to the succeeding page of photographs.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 06, 2005, 02:21:34 PM
i was told that Hannah Pakula's book has many beautiful photos of QM...does anyone here have some photos from Hannah Pakula's book?? ??it would be wonderful to see some :) :) :)thanks!
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 06, 2005, 02:52:36 PM
i have the book but i don't have a scanner. but there's not much in there that you haven't posted already
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 07, 2005, 12:48:37 AM
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i was told that Hannah Pakula's book has many beautiful photos of QM...does anyone here have some photos from Hannah Pakula's book?? ??it would be wonderful to see some :) :) :)thanks!
Laura


Oh, Pakula's book is a must for Queen Marie's fans!!  ;) It's one of my handbooks!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 07, 2005, 11:02:10 AM
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i have the book but i don't have a scanner. but there's not much in there that you haven't posted already


do you have the "original version" or the "Romanian version"??
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 07, 2005, 03:52:34 PM
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do you have the "original version" or the "Romanian version"??
Laura


don't think so... i bought it two years ago from a new books store... it does have many pictures, and there are some i haven't seen anywhere else, but they are not much different from the ones i have... maybe i'm just not as passionate as you are :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 10, 2005, 03:12:35 AM
back to Marie...i heard some rumours that also circulated in the epoch that she was poisoned by her dear son(very different from the oficial version),what do you think about her death??
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 08:16:45 AM
I don't think he did that, but he did forbid her medical attention. the tainride back was nasty. It could have contibuted to her death...in that way I guess.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bell_the_cat on December 10, 2005, 08:47:33 AM
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I don't think he did that, but he did forbid her medical attention. the tainride back was nasty. It could have contibuted to her death...in that way I guess.  :(


As I understood it she was undergoing treatment at Dresden (where I was this week), which at that time had the best experts in whatever it was she had. Wasn't it something like pancreatitis? :-/

Didn't the doctors say there was nothing more they could do, and so she decided to return to Roumania. I suppose Carol could have paid for an aeroplane, but I then she would probably  :( have died anyway.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2005, 11:07:08 AM
Yes but the train ride was quite nasty. as the road was bumpy and she hemorrhage all the way. Also the trip to Dresden was originally forbidden by Carol, Marie had to argue to get herself out of Romania (valuable time lost)... >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 10, 2005, 02:10:50 PM
poor Marie...other say Carol shot her >:(
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 10, 2005, 05:38:09 PM
the train ride did a lot of damage. she bled a lot and also the wagons were hot because of the sun. i read somewhere that when the train entered romania, the peasants were throwing water on the wagons to cool them off
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 02:45:22 AM
i read that she actually lost conscious at Cernauti(coma)and that she never recovered up...the family declared she died at Sinaia to "save"Carol's reputation >:(
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2005, 08:07:16 AM
I don't think so...She made her last appearance after the train ride.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 09:30:53 AM
yes,that's Pakula's version...Gauthier's version is that she had been in a state of coma when she arrived at Sinaia...
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 11, 2005, 09:46:53 AM
Not only Hannah's version but also Terrance Elsberry's version as well.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2005, 10:00:56 AM
well i'm inclined to believe Guy Gauthier...
Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 07:29:06 PM
A new exhibit on Missy

Exhibition about Queen Marie's life in Brasov
Dana Milea

Locals in Brasov and tourists who visit the town from this weekend until the end of the year will be able to see the first exhibition dedicated to the life of Queen Marie, which has opened at the "George Baritiu" County library.

The exhibition includes 25 black and white photos, portraits of the queen dating back to 1914-1938 as well as a collection of photos and post cards belonging to collectors Nicolae Pepene and Victor Emil Stefanescu.
According to the organizers, the queen's personality is presented in all the important moments of her life and in all the places that she loved: in Paris, in 1914 in Balcic in 1923 or at the coronation ceremony for her and King Ferdinand in Alba Iulia in 1922. The only photos missing from the collection are those made at the queen's funeral.

According to historian Florin Popovici, consideration is being given to the idea of bringing Queen Marie's heart from Bran Castle and depositing it in the "Stella Maris" chapel, which is identical to Balcic church where the queen had wanted her heart to be buried.

After the Southern Dobrogea region, which includes the resort of Balcic, was given to Bulgaria in 1940, Princess Ileana, her daughter, insisted that the queen's heart be brought to Bran and placed in a chapel built in the same manner as that in Balcic. The heart was confiscated by the Securitate in 1968 and placed in the deposits of Bucharest History Museum.

George Baritiu Library in Brasov
35 Eroilor Blvd.
0628/41.93.38

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2005, 07:51:56 PM
another one:

Queen Mary gown exhibited at History Museum
Dana Milea

The National History Museum is to exhibit a ceremonial gown and a cloak worn by Queen Mary of Romania between November 29 and December 31. The clothes, which belong to the national heritage and which have been recently restored, were worn by the queen in 1885, when she was 20 at the coronation ceremony of Russia's tsar Nicolas II in Moscow.

The historical and artistic value of the gown is mentioned by the queen herself in her memoirs entitled "The Story of My Life."

"I had dresses of all colors. However, the garments with which I had most success were the gown and the long cloak given to me as a present by Queen Carmen Sylva. The poetess-queen, inspired by my young age, my fair hair and my blue eyes had decided to make me a real fairy tale princess. Therefore she ordered a royal gown and a cloak that were both embroidered with rose petals. Even the veil I was wearing beneath my diamond crown had rose petals on it. This dress which had been made in a Romanian tailor's shop fitted me very well and I was as proud as possible at how admired I was," the queen wrote.

Queen Mary of Romania was the wife of King Ferdinand I who accomplished the union of the three Romanian principalities in 1918. King Ferdinand was the nephew of the first Romanian king, Carol I of Hohenzollern, who was married to Elisabeta, also known as poetess Carmen Sylva.

Romanian National History Museum
12 Victoriei Blvd    
021/315.82.07

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 14, 2005, 02:25:10 PM
does anyone know when did Marie cut her hair short...was her hair short when she traveled to America???

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on December 14, 2005, 02:31:10 PM
 I think that her hair was short when she was traveled to America.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 14, 2005, 02:35:16 PM
yes...i have seen some photos from the journey and i think  it was already cut...i only wanted to be sure of that ;D

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 15, 2005, 08:35:58 AM
i think that by the time she cut her hair she had aged visibly. it probably would have looked good on her young.

she looked good for her age, but not as good as young :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 16, 2005, 10:13:33 AM
That she inheited from her parents... ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on December 16, 2005, 01:45:31 PM
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That she inheited from her parents... ;)


 I think that her parents was very interesting pearsons. ;D What do you think about Alfred and Maria Alexandrovna ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 16, 2005, 05:14:18 PM
i voted affie the most interesting of queen victoria's children. and i still believe it. i think he was a very contradictory person, sometimes. his daughter obviously adored him. marie, i think, was a bit arrogant about her russian and imperial origin, and that might have ruined things for her at the british court. she was also quite rigid. but, again, incredibly interesting.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 16, 2005, 05:36:58 PM
actually she brought up her children,she palyed the part of both mother and father...Alfred often left her alone with the children(the disadvantages of being married to a sailor:()
She was to Russian for the Windsors...it must have been very hard with 5 children and having no friends in her new country but she was a Russian Grand Duchess so she finally managed it:)

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 16, 2005, 05:45:17 PM
Alfred was a good father but he missed many important things related to his wife and children while he was gone...and he died when his children were still very young :( :( :(that's why there aren't so many memories related to their father:(

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 17, 2005, 04:32:11 AM
the way i get it from missy's memories, alfred was the typical dad who went away a lot and was a bit of a myth amongst the children. because he was away so much, his coming was an event, when he played with them, brought them gifts, etc... more of a cheerful uncle who sometimes comes by, rather than an actual father...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on December 17, 2005, 05:11:11 AM
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...it must have been very hard with 5 children and having no friends in her new country but she was a Russian Grand Duchess so she finally managed it:)

Laura

4 children; Alfred jr. had to leave his family as a little boy...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on December 17, 2005, 01:57:03 PM
  She hed severe education on Russian court. It think thats reason of her cold nature.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 17, 2005, 04:33:15 PM
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since Ducky & Missy were already married and had children... >:(


yes but they were still young for losing their father...too early for this tragedy:(

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 17, 2005, 10:57:55 PM
Alfred died in 1900 so the ages (give or take a few months) would be: Missy (almost 25); Ducky (almost 23); Sandra (almost 21); Bea (15).

Young by modern standards to lose a parent--I was almost the exact same age as Missy when my Dad died--but by the standards of the day, not so unusual and all but Bea were adults.  

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 18, 2005, 04:13:50 AM
i think by modern standards affie had an early death. not only as much as his children are concerned, but also as far as he is concerned. and i think that that, combined with the fact that his wife survived as much as she did kind of made him an even more mythological figure in his daughter's eyes.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2005, 11:36:20 AM
I think Bee was the youngest and may have felt the loss of her father much. Missy was on the course of finding herself, and the loss of her kind father was a blow to her. Alfie was tired and unhappy, his relationship with his wife seriously marred by young Alfie's death. Also another mouner of Alfie was his mother, Queen Victoria, who had a soft spot for her sailor son... :'(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 18, 2005, 12:46:13 PM
i have just found this picture of Marie,which i haven't seen before...are these two photos from the same sitting,does anyone here know when were these taken and where??

Laura :)


(http://www.postcardman.net/140026.jpg)

(http://www.belbin.net/images/Copy_of_QueenMariePortrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2005, 07:03:31 PM
I think the first picture was retouched. Look at the neck area you see a lighter shade.  >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 19, 2005, 12:45:33 AM
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I think the first picture was retouched. Look at the neck area you see a lighter shade.  >:(


I saw a bigger version of that 1st picture. I don't think that was retouched.

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 19, 2005, 12:45:49 AM
she hasn't got that thing around her neck anymore...

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on December 19, 2005, 09:50:30 AM
Yes well you have to take those heavy gems off sometimes, I do it all the time ;D ;D ;D , they get so heavy, really exhausting, a girl needs a rest now and again  :P
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dvoretzky on December 19, 2005, 01:22:17 PM
I wish I were a young Romanian courtier ca. 1930...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 19, 2005, 01:30:12 PM
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I wish I were a young Romanian courtier ca. 1930...



wow dvoretzky ,you have just guessed my dream:)

Laura:)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on December 19, 2005, 06:59:11 PM
(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/8231/90076290ea.jpg)

A woman looks at a gown worn by Romania's former Queen Maria to the coronation of Russia's last Czar Nicholas II over a century ago, which went on display at a museum in Bucharest Romania Tuesday Nov. 29, 2005. A Romanian aristocrat designed the dress for Maria when she was a 20-year-old Crown Princess. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 19, 2005, 08:58:51 PM
Here's a bit from my previous quote on the exhibit--thanks so much, btw, for the great photo!

"I had dresses of all colors. However, the garments with which I had most success were the gown and the long cloak given to me as a present by Queen Carmen Sylva. The poetess-queen, inspired by my young age, my fair hair and my blue eyes had decided to make me a real fairy tale princess. Therefore she ordered a royal gown and a cloak that were both embroidered with rose petals. Even the veil I was wearing beneath my diamond crown had rose petals on it. This dress which had been made in a Romanian tailor's shop fitted me very well and I was as proud as possible at how admired I was," the queen wrote."

I've only ever seen Missy in her official court dress though.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 24, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
Anyway Missy like to pose for photos...I think she would enjoy being a model if she had the chance.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 26, 2005, 12:38:56 AM
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I think she would enjoy being a model if she had the chance.  ;D


Absolutely! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 27, 2005, 09:29:55 PM
And yet few followed in her glorious footseps. I guess one needed that special quality to be able to do that.  :-/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 28, 2005, 09:52:47 AM
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And yet few followed in her glorious footseps. I guess one needed that special quality to be able to do that.  :-/



true...very hard to follow her :-/ she was too perfect to be followed

Laura :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 28, 2005, 05:43:21 PM
Majestic and Tender as usual... the unique Marie of Romania  :)

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2005, 07:58:12 AM
BTW, how in fact Marie get along with her grandchildren?
Pakula doesn't write much about this thing.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 29, 2005, 05:43:38 PM
the yugoslavs were too far for them to have any proper relationship. i believe she wasn't very close to michael either, and at some point she blamed her daughter in law for that saying she was turning michael into a 'fat little greek'. i'm not sure about ileana's children... and elizabeth and nicholas didn't have any
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 30, 2005, 09:47:22 AM
I think King Micheal had a great respect on his grandmother, his daughter Princess Margarita once told me herself.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 30, 2005, 11:08:48 AM
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I think King Micheal had a great respect on his grandmother, his daughter Princess Margarita once told me herself.  ;)



yes their relationship was based on respect and not that much on love...this reminds me of Pakula's book ending...:(Marie surrounded by Carol,Elisabeth,Michael and a priest...her less beloved children :( :( :(

Laura


Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on December 30, 2005, 05:11:19 PM
her last years were really sad... :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 30, 2005, 05:21:03 PM
'Lately I have been living in a world which I no more uunderstand & which has become very lonely; Ileana married, Sitta gone, Nicky banished, but I struggle on. I look beaten but am I really beaten? I was always a good fighter, you remember. But fight against one's own flesh & blood?'

That's from a letter to George V in the 1930s. I think it sums up Missy's sad later years.  :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 30, 2005, 05:41:26 PM
like it very much! she was a master of pen...

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on December 30, 2005, 05:42:20 PM
Yes, I love that quote.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Guinastasia on December 31, 2005, 04:41:35 PM
I liked how they once found a note in her apartments in her hand that said, "Marie of Roumania-the most beautiful woman in the world.  A woman like that is born once in a century."  Or something like that.  I thought it was funny.

She seemed like she'd be so much fun to be around.  She could be really conceited, but at the same time, she really did care for her people.

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 31, 2005, 04:48:20 PM
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I liked how they once found a note in her apartments in her hand that said, "Marie of Roumania-the most beautiful woman in the world.  A woman like that is born once in a century."  Or something like that.  I thought it was funny.

She seemed like she'd be so much fun to be around.  She could be really conceited, but at the same time, she really did care for her people.




i think she was right :D  though,at times she was a little narcissist :)then again she had  all reasons to being that:)

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on December 31, 2005, 08:16:03 PM
It seems to me that a bit of narcissism (a bit!) comes with optimism... High self-esteem goes with the ability to constantly focus on the brighter side of things.  Carol and Elisabetta's sour dispositions mystify me somewhat.  How much time did they spend away from their parents?  Since Carol I was so strict it seems they would have enjoyed being with their easy-going mother more.  I suppose Carol and Carmen Sylva were more like parents to them than Missy and Nando.  What disasterous results their requisition of the children had!  It reminds me so much of Vicky and her eldest children, also Sissi of Austria-Hungary with her two eldest.  Always with the heavily negative effects on the children involved.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 31, 2005, 10:25:44 PM
Copuldn't agree more ! However Rudolf did adore Sisi, although she did not understood him, while Willy had a grudging respect for Vicky and her taste. When he travelled around Homberg, he always stop by his mother's place of Friedrchof and admire when she had done with the place. Sadly Carol was neither... >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 01, 2006, 05:50:01 PM
i think that in the beginning(let's say before the Zizi Lambrino complications  :-/) Carol also loved his mother very much...i've read that he was  extremely  jealous of Barbu Styrbei :-/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 01, 2006, 06:03:30 PM
i think rudolf and sissi were very simmilar and managed to have a somewhat good relationship. but willy and vicky... didn't willy accuse vicky of betraying germany to her english relatives? doesn't sound very happy family to me...

carol admired his mother. he indeed hated barbu stirbey. but i also think he feared her and her popularity. and that's why he acted the way he did when he was king.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2006, 11:31:02 PM
Rudolf adored his mother till his death, although he did not understood her and vice versa. Willy and Vicky sort of reconciled at the end (he even scold Dona for leaving his mother's side during her last illness). Carol however was terribily cruel to his mother (detaining Ileana from her death bed) and his treatment of Missy was just dreadful, shameful and no excuse. Baby Bee blamed it all on his mistress Magda. When she refused to recieve "the woman who killed my sister." Carol wept at his Aunt's blunt answer.  >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on January 02, 2006, 01:30:19 PM
I think Carol felt guilty for his behavior towards Missy, but way way way too late.  IMO, repenting of one's previously despicable acts at least states that he recognized his mistakes and was brave enough to own up to them.  However, what one says later cannot change the past.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 02, 2006, 03:28:18 PM
he may have felt guilty about it but i doubt that had she lived longer he would have changed his behaviour
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 03, 2006, 12:20:42 AM
I agree. That's why I think Rudolf and Willy are better than Carol...What a nightmare of a son.  >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 03, 2006, 03:51:42 AM
his whole personality was a nightmare... he was a man no-one could count on, sneaky and manipulative but at the same time easy to manipulated, not standing his ground. had he at least had some motive for everything he did, maybe it would have been more acceptable. but he constructed his actions based on his jealousies and childhood frustrations.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 03, 2006, 03:42:03 PM


(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/REGINA%20MARIA/6137.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 03, 2006, 03:58:32 PM
and one more:)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/REGINA%20MARIA/6142.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2006, 10:20:17 PM
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(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c399/Laurra_/REGINA%20MARIA/6137.jpg)


Congrats Laura.

This is a great photo. There were quite a few from this sitting (though I've never seen this particular one before) and I think Missy was extraordinarily lovely at this period.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on January 04, 2006, 02:56:22 AM
  Thank you very much, Laura! I didnt hed this photos. Did you found them on internet?

 L.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 04, 2006, 10:14:03 AM
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 Thank you very much, Laura! I didnt hed this photos. Did you found them on internet?

  L.



no i have them from a  DVD, i will post more of my "private collection" but i have to resize all my photos:)


Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 05, 2006, 12:46:43 PM
i don't think she was very aware of what happened. the truth is that everything happened very fast, the engagement and the marriage and everything. i doubt she had much time to sit down and think about it all
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: palimpsest on January 05, 2006, 05:35:22 PM
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i doubt she had much time to sit down and think about it all

Isn't that a good thing sometimes? ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 06, 2006, 04:06:16 AM
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Isn't that a good thing sometimes? ;D


i suppose it wouldn't have helped because at that time she didn't have any power over what had happened. so in a way it's better than watching yourself be married to someone you don't know and being able to do nothing about it
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 06, 2006, 02:21:23 PM
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I love the one of Missy & Ducky!  :D



yes that's one of my favourites too( hard to decide on one single photo when talking of Marie),i also have that bigger, Marie  is  so lovely as usual :)

Laura
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on January 06, 2006, 04:46:08 PM
  Yes, her album from 1904 is very intresting. There is some photos of strange paintings (pages 185-186), did Missy painted them?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 10, 2006, 11:41:04 PM
I forget the exact details but this was when she was made an honorary member of a famou Welsh singing group, I believe. EII has a similar picture.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/U93508P-A1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 11, 2006, 02:41:46 AM
Really...I don't know that Missy had a good singing voice ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 11, 2006, 08:50:46 AM
I don't know if she did--it was more of a honorary membership like the honorary doctorates given out by universities.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dvoretzky on January 11, 2006, 12:32:33 PM
Has anybody seen a list of Missy's boyfriends?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 11, 2006, 03:59:38 PM
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Really...I don't know that Missy had a good singing voice ?  ???


was there something  that Marie wasn't good at ? ;) hard to imagine ;)


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2006, 10:05:07 AM
Since Missy married so early, the only "boyfriend" would be Georgie of Wales. Those she had a relationship were more like flings...From Grand Dukes to Princes to common people.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dvoretzky on January 12, 2006, 11:19:54 AM
I've seen in Bulgarian websites the names of Waldorf Astor, Zizi Cantacuzino, Barbu Stirbey
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 12, 2006, 11:32:15 AM
Male friends...flings...lovers. not "boyfriends"
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 12, 2006, 01:49:20 PM
in her memoires i believe she mentioned the son of a gardener that apparently she had a sort of platonic fling with... as in he gave her flowers and she received them, like the pretty princess that she was :P she mentions that this was going on right before she met ferdinand and that when she came back from meeting ferdinand the boy apparently was heartbroken and looked at her very sadly...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 15, 2006, 04:20:39 AM
i read it in her own memoires. it's more of a teenage crush story, it's no big deal. want me to search the quote and find it for you?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 15, 2006, 09:26:54 AM
"our gardener from rosenau had a nephew (or grandson, in romanian it's the same word and it doesn't say which one it is...). The nephew had some big brown sweet eyes; he was very shy, but very beautiful although his shyness made him look very sad. without words and very clumsily, he let me understand through the telepathy of youth that, although he was only a gardener's nephew, his love for a little blonde princess was torturing his heart. ducky, always smart, had discovered this little drama and saw it somewhat sympathetically, somewhat dispysingly; but his infinite shyness was very touching and he was very harmless. after a while, i confessed my strict sister that i wanted to give the young man a litle reminder of me, because, as a true eve's daughter, his love had moved me. ducky showed herself to be sympathetic and we decided i should paint something for him, because i was pretty good at it. what was i to paint? ... ah! a good idea: it was close to easter, i should do something appropriate.

after lots of thought, we decided i should paint something on an ostrich egg. it happened that i had such an egg, round, thick, very sweet to look at and very shiny. on this beautiful egg i painted, with much care  some small (hum, i don't know how to translate this... pansele -> some violet flowers)... how well i remember them! the egg was round and shiny and not easily hand in my hand and it was very hard to paint. in order to finish my work, a couple of holes were made in the egg through which we passed a little rope to hang the egg with. the rope was also violet, like the flowers. ducky was as passionate as me about this easter gift and, in the end, we had picked a good day in which we could give it. the young man, although in the same class as alfred's friends, was not invited to our parties, this happening before the democracy struck. we couldn't, then, meet him anywhere else but in the garden from rosenau, at holidays, when he came to see his uncle (aha so nephew) terks, chief of the royal gardens. [...] (description od terks). ducky, feeling that 'two is better than three' decided not to be present when i gave him the priceless easter egg, but to walk through the flowers, close enough to be at hand and interrupt the conversation when it seemed it was enough. neither her, nor me, were very comfortable about this meeting, that was threatened by the presence of chief gardner terks. the young man received my gift very shyly, which i had expected; his eyes spoke, though, with all his sad appearance. but his hands received the egg with that care sometimes characteristic to the strong and clumsy creature. few words were spoken, but there was some emotion floating in the air; then ducky, with much dignity, came towards us, through the flowers, like a black swan, protecting her children.
there is an epilogue to this story. very little after that i came back, after a short visit, engaged to a prince from a remote country; from that day on the gardener's nephew did not greet me ever again, turning his head whenever he saw me so that he didn't have to take off his hat'
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grand Duke on January 17, 2006, 04:00:20 PM
H.M. QUEEN MARIE OF ROUMANIA

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Chandor/images/Marie-Chandor.jpg)

by Chandor, 1926.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on January 25, 2006, 10:21:53 AM
I actually have that postcard--it's one of my all-time favorites.  :)

A link to a photo of Marie in the Royal Collection, UK

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?maker=ARMFELTK&object=32470&row=3&detail=magnify
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2006, 09:17:29 AM
Lovely ! I like the second with the fur collar, it looked more distinguished. Marie had a taste for the oriental style that contasts with her blond English (or German)looks. A winning combination  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 27, 2006, 12:14:21 PM
yeah you are right here ...i'd rather say English looks and not German...and why not Russian ;D ;D
have you noticed that in the first one she looks rather  "angry" or at least upset ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on January 29, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
  Wich perfume Marie was using?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 29, 2006, 11:08:34 AM
links

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Houbigant1922/index.htm

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Houbigant1923/index.htm


a perfect parfume for our brilliant queen ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on January 29, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
  Thank you, but I have already seen that. Do you maybe know what was the smell of that perfume (Mon Boudoir)?

 
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dvoretzky on January 31, 2006, 10:10:18 AM
Any pictire of Missy in a bathing suit in Balchik?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2006, 10:22:50 AM
I thought Ena was the first Queen to put on a body hugging bathing suit instead of a bathing dress.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 01, 2006, 09:14:56 AM
even is she was stout[ basicaly in her 40s] she had grace,style +100 more qualities  which differentiate her from her eldest daughters who were never graceful...perhaps Ileana but still far from her mother

Queen Marie could never remind me of Mignon, :)IMO she was superior  even in stoutness while her daughters were very "common".
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 02, 2006, 12:07:08 AM
I don't think she ever got quite as heavy as her eldest daughters: she was too active.  Elisabetha and Mignon were not up and around as much.  I recall Marie remarking at one point that Lisabetha just admired her face, and didn't pay any attention to her weight.  Mignon didn't care much for appearances.  
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 02, 2006, 02:24:27 AM
Exactly! while for the queen her pleasant appearance was the Key  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on February 02, 2006, 11:30:21 AM
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even is she was stout[ basicaly in her 40s] she had grace,style +100 more qualities  which differentiate her from her eldest daughters who were never graceful...perhaps Ileana but still far from her mother

Queen Marie could never remind me of Mignon, :)IMO she was superior  even in stoutness while her daughters were very "common".


MARIE WAS SUPERIOR TO ALL QUEENS!!!!

It appears to me that I see a familia resembleance in this picture between Marie and Mignon.  

IMO opinion, none of Marie & Nando's children show any great familial resembleance to each other or their parents with the ecxeption of Nicholas who looks like a Hohenzollern if there ever was one.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 02, 2006, 01:07:40 PM
I know, all of the children look SO different from both their parents.  Mignon and Elisabetha look sort of similar to each other just b/c of their body type.  Actually, Elisabetha sort of resembles Nando in the nose area, but still, it's only a slight resemblance.  I think face-wise Mignon looked the most like Marie, but their characters and facial expressions are really different.  
 Nando and Missy had such opposite facial characteristics, except for the color of their eyes.  Carol, especially, looks like he just popped out of the sky.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 02, 2006, 03:24:20 PM
IMO,Elisabeth and Nicholas resemble Ferdinand,Mignon resembles Marie[only in face features] ,Ileana resembles Barbu and Carol...don't know :-/ rather Marie than Ferdinand :-/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2006, 07:13:50 PM
Yes but Elisabetta looked more like Antonia, her grandmother than Nando.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on February 15, 2006, 08:10:49 PM

My favorite picture of Missy is the Coronation picture with her wearing the "big phat" coronation sapphire.  When I when the lottery, the "big phat" coronation sapphire will be hanging aroung MY neck!  ;D ;D ;D.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2006, 08:19:28 PM
Too bad it was auctioned in Sotheby's a while ago. I held it on the palm of my hand and soaked in the history.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 16, 2006, 06:30:12 AM
The sapphire that dangled on Missy's neck was sold to Queen Frederica of Greece.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on February 16, 2006, 07:43:06 AM
tiara and diamond & sapphire necklace:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/Vladimir720Romania.jpg)

Is this a true Queen or is this "THE QUEEN"?  Queens do not come any better than this!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: LenelorMiksi on February 16, 2006, 10:19:42 PM
Marie had a lovely mourning outfit with the white borders.  On one of the pictures on p. 17 her and Ileana are wearing matching coats and shoes!  I can never decide on a favorite pic of Missy, there are so many beautiful ones.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 19, 2006, 11:16:24 AM
L., i have found this fragment in A Letter from Peles :

"She cherished Pelisor Castle decorated inside in modern style.Her bedchamber,decked out with gold,can be visited nowadays.According to legend,at times,particularly in autumn,her favourite violet perfume can be unexpectedly scented here."
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on February 19, 2006, 01:12:57 PM
  Thank you! :)  Maybe some parts of furniture are perfumed with her violet parfume in Peles ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on February 21, 2006, 06:14:37 AM
Does anyone have any info on clothes of Queen Marie.  In every book I have read the only reference to Missy's clothes is that she shopped at Jenny's of Paris.  Though Jenny's was first class and very expensive, Jenny's was definitely "off-the-rack"  Did Worth design any clothes for Missy?  Did Missy design her own clothes.  Did Missy have a personal seamstress at her palace?

Would love to know because Missy was always considered well dressed.  Over-The-Top but very well dressed.


TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on February 21, 2006, 08:03:59 AM
  I know that Worth designed some clothes for Missy and I think that I read about that on Their World and Culture and Hanover thread.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: La_Rainha on February 26, 2006, 04:06:13 AM
You are right !
The Hohenzollern- Sigmaringen is the catholic family tree of the Hohenzollern! The later Kings of Preussen are the protestantic line of the family!

I also think, that our beloved Queen Marie was from birth of course anglicanian, but converted to orthodox church. She must have loved this religion!
I think all of you know the wonderful Estern cards, she created every year for her friends!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:16:13 AM
Some photos:

Queen Marie with Joe Boyle and ?
(http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/featuremedia/feature130/boyle.jpg)

During her American tour with Ileana:
(http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/archives/portraits/images/fiches/pleinecran/P1392.jpg)

with Ileana again
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501121766.jpg)

with dog
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110304.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:22:24 AM
with Romanian children:
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110331.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110364.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110365.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110366.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110368.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110372.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:26:12 AM
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110398.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110399.jpg)

Looking a bit like Mama
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110403.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110404.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:28:17 AM
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110407.jpg)

horseback riding
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110411.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110412.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110414.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:29:37 AM
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110415.jpg)

with Carol and Elisabetta
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110416.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110418.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:32:00 AM
with 4 of her children
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip04/m197501110422.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110462.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip08/m197501110463.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip05/m197501112308.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 05:33:10 AM
(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120471.jpg)

(http://www.geh.org/ar/strip03/m197501120559.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 02, 2006, 06:57:10 AM
They do come from this absolutly wonderful page: http://www.geh.org/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 03, 2006, 07:10:24 AM
I have a couple photos to add!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/oldermissy.jpg)
Missy on her last visit to England, 1936.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 03, 2006, 07:12:40 AM
I just adore this one....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/gurutiek/missygrandchild.jpg)

The caption under this said Queen Marie and grandchild...but which one  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 03, 2006, 07:14:59 AM
Methinks Missy was a fan of touching up photos like dear old Aunt Alix! Notice the neck in the press photo (first one) virsus the family photo with her grandchild.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on March 03, 2006, 07:19:48 AM
Quote
I just adore this one....
The caption under this said Queen Marie and grandchild...but which one  ???


As she looks quite old - maybe one of the Austrian grandchildren?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 03, 2006, 02:33:43 PM
Queen Marie never converted to the Orthodox  Church. She was baptized according to the rites of the Anglican church and confirmed according to the rites of the Lutheran church.  Her husband remained Catholic, she remained Protestant and the kids were Orthodox.  


Quote
You are right !
The Hohenzollern- Sigmaringen is the catholic family tree of the Hohenzollern! The later Kings of Preussen are the protestantic line of the family!

I also think, that our beloved Queen Marie was from birth of course anglicanian, but converted to orthodox church. She must have loved this religion!
I think all of you know the wonderful Estern cards, she created every year for her friends!

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on March 03, 2006, 09:50:57 PM
There were some sketches of the wedding in some of the magazines of the day. There were a lot of photographs of Missy, Nando, her family, his family at different stages leading up to the wedding but the ceremony itself, no. I wonder if it was part of the 'not a lot of photos taken at Hohenzollern weddings' pattern. The wedding did take place in Sigmaringen.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Booklady on March 04, 2006, 04:38:55 PM
Thank you, GD ella.  I was hoping someone could post a picture of Missy in her bridal gown.  Perhaps other pictures taken at the time have been lost or destroyed through time or are in private collections.  

In reading Pakula's book, I can understand why she did not look very happy on her wedding day.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2006, 01:29:37 AM
Though it was a happy day for "Nando" ! He put Missy's wedding photo on his desk till the day he died.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 05, 2006, 04:04:04 AM
we can find the framed photo that Nando kept on his desk till the end in Pakula's book :) :) :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on March 05, 2006, 05:17:10 AM
Quote


i think this was the ocassion... Linnea i think you are right ,one of Ileana's children christening maybe :-/not sure though...




there was really one of Ileana's children the christening. Mother of Archduke Anton, Archduchess Blanca, is sitting near Missy.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 05, 2006, 10:21:06 AM
yeah perfect that's one of the photos;i think i posted this somewhere too;and there was one more-a framed one  ...i'll try to scan that :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2006, 10:24:43 AM
The framed one was featured in Pakula's book. I wonder if Missy took a photo with her sisters in her wedding dress ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 05, 2006, 10:34:23 AM
i don't think so  :( neither with Nando :-/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2006, 10:49:49 AM
I wonder why ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Booklady on March 05, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
Perhaps there were several others taken but have been lost or destroyed.  The Duchess of E. must have controlled things very tightly.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Booklady on March 06, 2006, 10:46:59 AM
Missy looks all of 90 lbs. there, and not in the mood to come close to a smile.  I hope some other photos from that occasion will turn up.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dp5486 on March 06, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
I was wondering if anyone had any photos/info on the Queen's loyal friend/advisor Sir Barbo Stirbey and his family?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: anabel on March 07, 2006, 02:00:47 AM
Quote
I was wondering if anyone had any photos/info on the Queen's loyal friend/advisor Sir Barbo Stirbey and his family?

Thanks!


Here´s Barbo Stirbey:
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2369/bs2cn.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dp5486 on March 07, 2006, 01:14:04 PM
I know I am answering (kind of)my own post but I do know that Stirbey's wife' name was Nadeje Bibesco Stirbey and they had four daughters. I would be interested to see/know more about them though.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 07, 2006, 03:48:31 PM
nadejde bibesco was a romanian princess (like barbu stirbey, actually, he is descending from a 19th century romanian ruler, also named barbu stirbey). what i read of her makes her a very quiet woman, the ideal homewife, if you want... queen marie mentions her in her memoirs:

"nadejde stirbey stayed mostly in the country; rarely was she with us in maruca's place (maruca cantacuzino, another friend of missy's - and also another princess :))

she was and is still the perfect wife and moteher; she lived only for her people. i loved visiting her; her husband and children were also my friends (queen marie doesn't talk about barbu much in her memoirs). whe you were next to her, the dark side of life would go away. she had something in her that reminded me of a bird or a butterfly. she was always singing, was cheerful, happy, always moving and always having sweet worries; she had her chores here and there, in the house, in the gardens, in the kitchen, with the children, with the servants, with the peasants; her hands always had something to do: she painted, wrote, gardened or sewed. she had no other desires than her usual chores, never set goals hard to reach and didn't want to climb high mountains. she was a most wonderful host, happy to receive; a cheerful and careless companion. she knew the way to remove anything that might make her life sad - one of the few really happy women i ever met."

sounds like a perfect wife for your lover if you allow me to be a little mean :P... as a sidenote, nadejde's brother married martha bibescu (you might have heard of her, she was quite a famous writer).

edited to add: stupid me, i mentioned barbu's descendancy but not nadejde. gheorghe bibescu was the last ruler of wallachia before it united with moldavia to form romania. i'm not entirely sure but i think nadejde descended from him. they most definitely were part of the same family, anyway
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 07, 2006, 03:54:37 PM
i found this on the internet, it says it's barbu stirbey's wife... i'm not sure exactly which barbu stirbey they're referring to, but i'm placing it just in case:

(http://museum.ici.ro/muntenia/braila/mimages/image14a.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 07, 2006, 07:59:57 PM
I think this could be her grandma judging from the costume !  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 08, 2006, 03:02:59 AM
his grandma you mean :)

as i said there were two barbu stirbey: the lover of queen marie and his grandfather who was a ruler of wallachia in early 19th century. judging by the costume this could be his grandfather's wife, but not necessarilly... there were masked balls :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 11, 2006, 05:00:14 PM
hey what about returning to Missy? :D...the Stirbei family were quite boring IMO :-/ :-X
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on March 12, 2006, 08:23:11 PM
What happened to Missy's clothes?  Are any of her old gowns in museums anywhere?  I do not have clue on this one, therefore I ask for help from Ally Pally friends.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lancashireladandre on March 13, 2006, 11:59:27 AM
Quote

Here´s Barbo Stirbey:
(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2369/bs2cn.jpg)

Barbu was a much better looking man than Ferdinand and no doubt a lot nicer...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 13, 2006, 03:44:37 PM
Quote
Barbu was a much better looking man than Ferdinand and no doubt a lot nicer...



my impression is that he was more of a man. not that ferdinand wasn't a man, but ferdinand was generally perceived as weak. he wasn't, he was smart and he did his job well, but people tended to ignore him. queen marie most likely wanted someone with a more powerful personality and barbu was such a thing. he was the quiet, in the shaddow sort, which was also good: she wanted him to have personality but not to dominate her, or try to dominate her. she was looking for support not for a master.

funnilly enough, nadejde, barbu's wife, sounds a lot like king ferdinand judging by marie's memoirs. maybe barbu himself was looking for something more powerful...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 14, 2006, 04:56:04 PM
not really. cause, again, my impression is that barbu was as quiet as missy was flamboyant. he didn't need attention. he was respected, he was dignified... i think he preferred being in the shaddows the way he was for many years. i'm sure missy would have felt threatened by someone in as much need of attention as her. that way, though he just offered her quiet support, without losing his dignity. more of the quiet, dark and handsome type that women fall for every day ;)

another aspect was mentioned by hannah pakula: barbu had no right over her. he was not her father, her husband, her nothing. he couldn't claim anything from her. after so many constraints, that must have been liberating
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 16, 2006, 04:41:15 AM
 :Dyesterday was one of the happiest days of my life; :D

i have bought a documentary and it contains so many real videos of QM and her children!!they are from the state archive yet most of them i havent seen before,the only video i knew was the one from the Corronation in 1922.not to mention the photos...lucky day i would say.


Laura :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on March 16, 2006, 05:07:58 AM
It seems today is one of the saddest days for me!!! ;D as I knew about this documentary from you, Laura! Envy you. ::)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 20, 2006, 06:40:33 AM
Was it produced in  Romania ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 20, 2006, 12:52:42 PM
of course ! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on March 21, 2006, 04:28:43 AM
Quote
:Dyesterday was one of the happiest days of my life; :D

i have bought a documentary and it contains so many real videos of QM and her children!!they are from the state archive yet most of them i havent seen before,the only video i knew was the one from the Corronation in 1922.not to mention the photos...lucky day i would say.


Laura :D


Does this video contain any audio clips of her speaking voice?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 21, 2006, 04:58:53 AM
no ,the video contains a video/audio speech of Carol II and i can clearly hear his voice--his mother stood  next to him when he made that speech:) love these videos! :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 23, 2006, 02:29:11 AM
it's a VHS ;had it been a DVD it wouldnt have been that great...i have all DVDs on Romanian royals,palaces etc made in Romania  which cannot even be compared to this tape (serious research here,archive contribution etc)......sorry!

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on March 23, 2006, 09:20:55 AM
Quote
it's a VHS ;had it been a DVD it wouldnt have been that great...i have all DVDs on Romanian royals,palaces etc made in Romania  which cannot even be compared to this tape (serious research here,archive contribution etc)......sorry!




thanks .. am surprised it is on VHS as very few firms still release material on VHS
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 10:52:16 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IH015312.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/U92132P-A.jpg )
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/74364_120171.jpg)
Queen Marie of Romania with her daughter Ileana
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 10:53:08 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/VV1347.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/HU042932.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/HU042933.jpg)
''Missy''
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 10:53:43 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/U119767P-A.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/U171946INP.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 12:24:27 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/056.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie43.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie34.jpg)
She is so extremely elegant, and such a beaty.
The first one is one of my favorits.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 12:25:11 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie54.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie58.jpg)
Efen older verry beatifull.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 12:25:53 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie66.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie50.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie79.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 23, 2006, 12:26:51 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Marie73.jpg)
A swimming ''Missy'' also one of my favorits.

  royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bell_the_cat on April 12, 2006, 07:43:47 PM
Quote
Marie was baptized according to the rites of the Anglican church;  confirmed in the Lutheran church; married in the Catholic and Anglican church; and died as an Anglican.

Is it possible that both of the last statements are true - that she remained an Anglican, but also became a Baha'i? I don't know much about the Baha'i religion I'm afraid, but I believe that it recognises the validity of other religions.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilios on April 13, 2006, 12:24:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_of_Edinburgh

Bahai issue is here. And below link is the real source.

http://www.bic-un.bahai.org/pdf/47-0701.pdf
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 27, 2006, 12:24:41 PM
Some pictures of Queen Marie in crown and wonderful dress :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/injewels.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/tiara2.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/crown1.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/formaldress.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/dress3.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/flowers.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on April 27, 2006, 02:27:22 PM
 beautiful...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on April 27, 2006, 04:43:07 PM
Quote
Some pictures of Queen Marie in crown and wonderful dress :


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/injewels.jpg)


This is the turquoise & pearl parure that was a wedding gift to Missy from her parents. She had written after the Russian Revolution, when this was amongst the jewels that had been in Russia and thus lost to her, that she was heartbroken as the set that her father had given her and she didn't have any other jewelry from him.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 30, 2006, 08:48:00 AM

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/marie1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 01, 2006, 05:44:24 PM
Excerpt from her autobiography regarding George:

"There was also another great friend in those Malta days of innocence, and that was Cousin George. Cousin George, though ten years older than I, was also very young in those days and not a bit too grand and grown up to be happy in our company...He was also in H. M. S. Alexandra, under my father's command. Both my parents were very fond of him, and there was always a room ready for him at San Antonio when he was not on service.

Cousin George was a beloved chum. He, too, was able to keep the unruly trio in order. He called us "the dear three," but I proudly remember that in the case of Cousin George I was a decided favorite; there was no doubt about that whatever. What fun we had with George; what delightful, harmless fun! He used to drive us in a high, two-wheeled dogcart; the horse he drove was called Cockey, a steady brown cob. One of us sat beside him and the other two at the back. Those at the back were generally kneeling on the seat and chattering for all they were worth with the two in front.

There were also glorious rides with Cousin George, who had a horse called Real Jam, a beautiful, glossy bay:In Malta, everybody was interested in his neighbor's horse; they so belonged to the life there that they were like part of the family. Real Jam was a perfect creature and was taken back to Sandringham by his master when the Malta days came to a close.

Whenever he could, Cousin George joined our Saturday picnics, and he was fond of declaring that "the dear three" were much better behaved and less unruly when he was leader of the wild horde."


And comforting her after the 3 girls got in trouble and were severely punished:

"We all three finally collapsed on some small stairs leading from mama's boudoir to her dressing room, a dark little corner where our humiliation was hidden in shadow. There we lay, three little heaps of misery, faces turned towards the dusty carpet, which was quite in keeping with our abasement, crushed by the enormity of our sin, overcome by mama's bitter reproof, feeling that we deserved every word of her upbraiding.

But words were not sufficient chastisement. Our outraged parent hit upon a really effective punishment. Our beloved horses were banished for a whole long week from the royal stables, and to our public shame were conducted to the Ditch, which was the name of the big stables where all our naval friends kept their horses. It was called the Ditch because it was built in the large moat encircling Valetta.

This was a cruelly well chosen penalty, as it was a way of letting all our riding companions know that we were in disgrace.

Cousin George was very kind on this occasion. He was truly sorry for "the dear three"; though, of course, he could not approve of what we had done. But even today I can feel what a delicious relief it was to lay my humiliated head upon his shoulder and to weep my heart out, my face hidden in the mass of my "yellow" hair. I believe that Cousin George's handkerchief was also very welcome on this occasion, because does one ever at such tragic moments find one's own?

"Poor dear little Missy," said Cousin George. "Poor dear little Missy," and Missy learned at that hour how very sweet the big, grown-up cousin could be! "

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2006, 09:43:03 AM
I think Missy might have typed her memoirs like her mother-in-law (who posed with one).However I don't think she played the violin (that was her father, Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh). Elisabeth, Queen of Belgium on the other hand was a famous violin player.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on June 14, 2006, 02:54:05 PM
  What do you think -is she ever going to be canonised in Romanian church? There is only one problem -she was not Orthodox. I wounder why she never hed wish to be Orthodox, like she say in her memoirs?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2006, 08:34:30 PM
Yes...She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family). I do wonder did she saw the pope (being such a good daughter of the church) ? I know that her mother Marie Coburg did took her youngest daughter Baby Bee to the Vatican, and that helped her later conversion.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on June 15, 2006, 12:05:59 AM
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Yes...She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family).

I've never read that Missy converted from Anglican! What is the source of your statement?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2006, 03:19:53 AM
There quite a few references about Marie as Catholic in later years, while they hoped she will turn Orthodox (even her mother Marie coburg said). Anyway it seems that Missy wasn't particularly interested in religion as it did not affect her enough to discuss in her memoirs.  :-?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 15, 2006, 06:23:31 AM
eric i'm afraid we are going to start a conflict again but i want those references quoted otherwise this is just another case of you talking without thinking.

because first of all marie was not an anglican. and second of all had she converted to catholicism there would have been written somewhere. ferdinand needed many negotiations with the pope when he married marie, who was a protestant and did not convert to anything. i sincerely doubt she did it after the marriage to nando lost all the flavour (which it did quite fast).
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 15, 2006, 09:52:26 AM
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Marie was a raised in the Church of England but confirmed as a Lutheran.  She did not convert to any branch of the Catholic Church.  Marie embraced all religions,  Her children were raised as orthodox catholics.

TampaBay


that's exactly what i was talking about when i said she was not an anglican. not officially anyway.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2006, 11:06:33 AM
On Marie 's confirmation, she was indeed German Lutheren. She had recieved religious instuctions in the Anglican faith, but confirmed in Coburg. The Duchess, in order to quell fears that Missy is going to marry George said it was too late for her to go back to Anglican. The conversion (if that had happened ) came after the marriage. However the main issue is that why she did not convert to Orthodoxy, even though she claimed to have loved Romania so much. Marie Coburg said Missy should convert if only for her children.

Thanks ilyala for another rude insult... >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 15, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
and here you go again taking it personally when i claim your sources which, surprise surprise, you haven't offered. again.

marie did not convert to orthodoxy because she was a free thinker and she probably didn't think  it made any difference. and besides, her faith was a link to her youth and as much as she loved romania, she also loved her youth. conversion to catholicism makes absolutely no sense, and it did not happen.

and by the way you're contradicting yourself... first you say "She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family)." and then you say "The conversion (if that had happened )"... so did it or didn't it? you don't seem to know either, although two posts ago you were very decided. and no sources.

no offence but if you ever wanna be a historian, you have to learn how to state a clear opinion and back it up.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 15, 2006, 08:36:59 PM
No offense when you say I was "talking without thinking" ? I think it is time for your to learn proper manners.... >:(

The fact that she did not mention much about religon in her memoirs signaled that she did not care about it deeply or think it was important to talk about it. Unlike Ena and Alicky who struggled with it, Missy seemed to take it as it comes. However if you wanted to be a "mother of the people", would it be possible not to worship the same religion as your people ? Anyway Missy knew Orthodoxy as a child, as she saw how her mother (and later sister) worshiped. This is speculation of course but based on reason.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 16, 2006, 02:48:10 AM
we are talking about the fact that you said that missy converted to catholicism.

i am quoting you again: She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family).". those were your exact words. no-one is discussing orthodoxy and there's no need to tell me about missy's non-religiousness because that's exactly what i said a couple of messages ago.

now you either take that statement back or back it up. since you're already saying "The conversion (if that had happened )" it means you're kind of backing out of the statement. which is the reason why i said you talk without thinking.

as for my manners i learned them from you. check out examples of politeness from you calling me a 'sad pathetic woman' because i wanted you to back up comments on mignon's paternity and giving me " >:(" because, oh dear, i don't blindly believe everything you say.

now back to missy's non existant catholicism that you now switched to orthodoxy (do you ever make up your mind?).
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2006, 03:02:39 AM
I think I am interested in Marie why she did not became Orthodox since it was the religion of her people ! Someone told me that she converted to Catholicism after her marriage. A legitimate enough statement. However there is currently no prove that she had done so, so we should leave it at that until futher prove can be found. As for the politeness, it was you who bought your own mother into the situation, which I don't see any relavence to the dicussion at all. As you always ask for prove, what will your mother's situation add to a dicussion about royalty ? No points for you there !  >:(

As for the future, lets stick to discussion of facts and possible speculation of royalty and leave the personal statements out of it. If you are hell bent in fostering a vendetta, I will leave this as this kind of bickering will achieve nothing.  >:(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 16, 2006, 04:22:31 AM
this is not a vendetta. this is a way to point out that you gotta pay attention on how you use your word. had you said something like 'i heard that she might have converted to catholicism', that would have been ok. but you said "She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family)." that is a clear statement, no maybe in it. don't make these statements unless you KNOW they are true and can back up your knowledge. because there might be people here who don't know much about queen marie and might take your statement for granted. and that's how errors appear.

anyone who read the other thread carefully will see that i simply pointed out that a married woman can have an abortion even if the pregnancy is not the result of an affair. i gave my mother as an example because it was the only one i knew for sure (although i'm sure any logical mind will admit that the first statement is true... it was just an example nothing more). if you want me to, i will quote you endless people on this forum who use personal experience as a way to argument their statements.

for example: 'i know that illness, i had it, this is how it works out.' 'my mother had a brother who she didn't see for years and then didn't recognize' (it's not an exact quote but i remember something of the sort mentioned on the anna anderson thread). etc. etc. it is in no way a comparrison between the person who said it and the other people who had that illness or between the person's mother and the other person they are making an analogy to (in this case anna anderson). it's a way of saying 'look, i know that if you don't recognize your brother it appears like there's something wrong (i don't know, he's not actually your brother, he's had a sickness that desfigured him, you have amnesia, whatever), but here's a case of a normal woman not recognizing a normal man that was her brother and that she hadn't seen for years.'

and since you keep nitpicking on small insignificant details and i'm sick of it, here's a translation of what i meant: 'i know that when a married woman wants to have an abortion it sounds like she had an affair and that's why she doesn't want a baby, but here's a case of a normal married woman who had not one abortion, but two, and both were children fathered by her husband. so it can happen. so don't generalize and don't assume.'

that was the point of mentioning my mother. now move on and stop thinking i'm here to pick on you or anything of the sort. i am just suggesting you be more careful when you make your statement.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2006, 09:57:35 AM
Thank you ! I must really hand it to you...Just because I make a statement that will mislad a lot of people ? Really...I got news for you, even the best royal writers (I hapen to know quite a few of them) make mistakes and assumptions. I am not even one of those greats...Thanks for your confidence in my influence. ;D

Yes I agree that some people can in whatever cicumstances have abortions. I read a few articles on this and each situation is a case by itself. However unfortunately the same can be as of Missy's case. She was born a royal princess in the nineteenth century, who had an affair and resulted in an unwanted preganancy. In those days, a woman can have the baby and go for those backstreet abortion clinics which were quite insafe. I don't think any of us here is in the same citcumstances, so the discisions made are not applicable (If you any of you are royalty in the thread and from the 19th century do tell). It is the same when Princess Diana died, sreamed at Wiliiam and yell "Cry William Cry ! ". It might be that person believe that letting emotion come out will relieve the stress the prince felt at the time. However it was unapplicable. The Princes are raised to be princes and cannot be viewed the same as common people (much as they want to be). So we can only sympathise not empathise (we are not raised in palaces and with heavy responsibities). So I think there are limits we can use moments from our own lives to intrepret royal ones. Missy's case was complicated (since it also dealt with royal succession). In the end, she decided to have her baby. So she did not have an abortion after all (but it would be reasonable to think that she might consider it).

I hope we can avoid futher name calling and hope you will too.

Give some space for others to talk about their beloved Missy !  ;)

Eric



Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on June 16, 2006, 05:50:09 PM
Well, here's hoping bringing this up won't result in my banishment from the boards...

Has any one on this board heard of Joesph Boyle? My father recently got a book on arctic explorers, and the one that intrigued me most was Boyle- a poor farm boy from Ontario, he went on to become a pirate, gold baron, succesful business man and a self-funded mercenary during WWI. The book states that Boyle eventually wound up in Roumania and worked exclusivley with Marie as her advisor. He also managed to steal back the Roumanian crown jewels from the Bolsheviks and return them to Marie, earning the title of 'Saviour of Roumania".  

The controversial part was when the book claimed that Boyle and Marie were, well, a bit more than friends. Does anyone know if there is any basis behind this, or was it just sensationalism?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on June 16, 2006, 07:56:59 PM
Boyle was one of Marie's closest friends for life!  No argument there.

With regards to an affair many people say NO!!! however, I did believe they had an affair or maybe just a  "for-the-moment fling".  

However, I have absolutely no documentation to back this belief up.  This is just my gut feeling as a woman.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on June 16, 2006, 09:31:46 PM
Yes, let's move back onto topic. There should be no derogatory and/or personal remarks are directed towards another user. There are many ways to get points across without this. Spirited debate is fine--as is requesting sourcing, etc--but please let us keep it in a civil tone. If there needs to be a hashing out of feelings or impressions about another user, please confine it to the PM function rather than airing it out publicly.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 16, 2006, 09:38:40 PM
Yes...Lets. Now why didn't Missy convert to Orthodoxy when she was willing to adopt the dress, folklore and customs of the Romanian people but not its religion ? I is interesting that while her mother Marie Coburg was a devoted Russian Orthodox church believer (installing a chapel and priests in Eastwell park), while her daughter Ileana end up being a nun (Mother Alexandra).  :-?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on June 17, 2006, 08:38:21 AM
well i've seen a documentary on the national Romanian Channel (TVR)where they said she did convert to Orthodoxy--and they had the exact date 25th of March 1920 if i remember wellin the presence of the Patriarch Miron Cristea --i'll check the documentary since (if i remember well)i have it taped somewhere.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 17, 2006, 12:13:31 PM
Really ? That's great news ! That is what I like about these threads. Always some new facts waiting to be discovered. It would make sense for her since she had identify herself with Romania. It would bring her closer to the people (just like her cousin and Aunt Ella).  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on June 17, 2006, 07:09:39 PM
I thought it was possible, especially as it was later on in Marie's life (so to speak) and at a point when she and her husband were estranged.

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 18, 2006, 06:26:41 AM
well, now that eric admitted he's wrong we can move on. i want nothing more than a civil conversation myself.


 :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on June 18, 2006, 10:06:34 AM
 But Marie say in her memoirs that she was always strong in her aglican confession. But what about Baha faith? :-?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 18, 2006, 11:48:22 AM
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But Marie say in her memoirs that she was always strong in her aglican confession. But what about Baha faith? :-?


personal opinion: marie was not very religious. i think she understood that all religions are generally  about the same thing and the important part is believing in god and not the ritual around it. she loved the orthodox ritual, i think, because it evoked the mysteriousness of her mother's religion when she was a child, because it is much more spectacular than the protestant one, and missy was a person who loved a spectacle, because it reminded her of russia, and russia fascinated her.

in the same way i think she loved the anglican faith mostly for what it represented: it was the link to her childhood, to her father, to her grandmother, to her native country.

i can't say about the baha faith. maybe she was fascinated with something exotic. but definitely missy was not the most religious person you could come across and i don't think she bothered much with 'i am an anglican/orthodox or whatever'
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 18, 2006, 11:53:20 AM
i don't know what to say about boyle as marie's lover. i think marie was at that point at an age and time when physical consummation of a relationship was no longer something very important. it could have happened because indeed at that point she and ferdinand were estranged. but don't forget about barbu stirbey who was her best friend/lover and who stayed that way till much later. meaning, either he was very tolerant of being cheated on or he simply loved her too much to break it off with her.

hannah pakula states that joe boyle eventually left romania because of barbu who was jealous. i believe that, but that could have happened even if there was no physical affair. missy and joe boyle were indeed very close and intimate (and i am not talking physically, there's no proof of that) and that would make any lover jealous. i'm sure everyone on this board felt at some point jealous of their partner's best bud of opposite sex.

it cannot be doubted, though that missy and joe were very close and that he was a great help to her.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: L. on June 18, 2006, 04:11:54 PM
 I am completly different in religous things from Marie. Maybe I worry too much about that. It is really complicated when your family is mixed from many nations.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Katherine The O.K. on June 18, 2006, 09:38:33 PM
The author seemed to connote that Boyle and Marie had what he beleives to be a very brief physical relationship (at some point in time during the war, I beleive, while Marie was in hiding in the countryside, maybe? I don't know for certain, Marie is not my forte, but I think this is what the book said) that didn't last long due to circumstances, but they did remain friends for a long time afterwords. I think it's quite possible that Marie conceeded to pressure from Stirbey and dropped Boyle following his stroke. I think (again, I read this book last months ago) she paid his way back to canada out of concern for his 'health'.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on June 18, 2006, 11:23:12 PM
Here's a book on the subject: Queen Marie of Romania and the Baha'i Faith

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0853984425/104-1640696-0599961?dev-t=D26KX4UZL7OM3R&n=283155
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on June 18, 2006, 11:34:44 PM
Further info on Missy and the bahai faith, including an article she wrote on it herself

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/BahaiFaith/index.htm

Margarita visits a temple where there was an exhibit to Queen Marie--they flat out claim her as a convert

http://www.uga.edu/bahai/2005/050112.html

http://time-proxy.yaga.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,752392,00.html

Missy was quoted as:

"It is like a wide embrace," is Queen Marie of Rumania's own tribute, "gathering together all those who have searched for words of hope. It accepts all great Prophets gone before, ' it destroys no other creeds and leaves all doors open.... The Bahá'í teaching brings peace to the soul and hope to the heart. To those in search of assurance, the words of the Father are as a fountain in the desert after long wandering.... It is a wondrous message that Bahá'u'lláh and His son `Abdu'l-Bahá have given us. They have not set it up aggressively, knowing that the germ of eternal truth which lies at its core cannot but take root and spread.... It is Christ's Message taken up anew, in the same words almost, but adapted to the thousand years and more difference that lies between the year one and today. . . If ever the name of Bahá'u'lláh or `Abdu'l-Bahá comes to your attention, do not put their writings from you. Search out their books, and let their glorious, peace -bringing, love - creating words and lessons sink into your hearts as they have into mine."


Many more writings on the faith claim Queen Marie as an adherent and songs and such are written about her.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 19, 2006, 05:44:49 AM
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Wait a miniute...I did not admit I was wrong. If there ARE faults, theu are on BOTH sides. Let that stay on the resord.  >:(

I think that when she finally converted, it was to be of the same faith as her people.  ;)


you did not admit you were wrong? ok. so you stand by your statement of missy converting to catholicism? and now you make one about her converting to orthodoxism? so missy converted to both religions according to you?

just so you know, admitting you're wrong is supposed to be a good trait of character. standing by an erroneous statement shows foolishness. and no i'm not insulting you. i'm not after you. i'm trying to get you to say, for the people on this forum who don't know much about missy, something correct and backed up with sources about her life. the fact that she converted to catholicism is wrong. you yourself said it was 'a rumour'. so the first statement you made was wrong. so you were wrong.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on June 19, 2006, 05:47:26 AM
they stayed in touch after he left too. but i believe he died soon after that (not imediately but soon). she wanted to go see him on his deathbed but he said that he doesn't want her to see him like that
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marina Cummings on June 19, 2006, 01:03:45 PM
Now I am totally confused, and I think others must be too :-?

Eric, I must say , you are meandering all over the place with this one. I have read your posts and can only conclude that you are somewhat inconsistent!  You have said at different times: "Yes...She remained a Catholic (converted from Anglican after she married into the Catholic Hohenzollern-Sigmarigen family)", then:
"There quite a few references about Marie as Catholic in later years, while they hoped she will turn Orthodox (even her mother Marie Coburg said)."
further:  "On Marie 's confirmation, (NB  I did not know that there was confirmation" in the German Lutheran faith, I thought this was a Catholic custom???)  in"she was indeed German Lutheren. She had recieved religious instuctions in the Anglican faith, but confirmed in Coburg. The Duchess, in order to quell fears that Missy is going to marry George said it was too late for her to go back to Anglican. The conversion (if that had happened ) came after the marriage. "

Then you say:  "I think I am interested in Marie why she did not became Orthodox since it was the religion of her people ! Someone told me that she converted to Catholicism after her marriage. A legitimate enough statement. However there is currently no prove that she had done so, so we should leave it at that until futher prove can be found. "

And  "I think that when she finally converted, it was to be of the same faith as her people."

So did she "convert" or did she not convert???And if so, to which religion? What are the sources for such information? Please help!

Marina
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on June 19, 2006, 07:34:27 PM
For one last time !!!  Missy was raised an Anglican BUT she was as confirmed in the Lutheran Faith.

Missy embarced the faith of her children and people but NEVER converted to ANY form of Catholisism-Roman or Orthodox!!

Towards the end of her life she took instustruction in the Bahai faith (one world-one God) which embracess ALL Religions!.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on June 20, 2006, 12:05:38 AM
Yes, let's have an end to this. Specific points can be brought up and agreed with or disagreed with but no more with the back & forth between individuals--please confine that to PMs. It doesn't add anything and, in fact, detracts from the points people are attempting to make.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2006, 11:04:25 PM
Truly lovely pictures !

I apologize for taking so much of the thread on that discussion. I admit for making a mistake from time to time on one fact or another. I will admit making a mistake on that. What I said that "faults on both sides" was the tone of the argument bordering on insults (I felt) and hers on the mother.

Now lets move on...

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on June 21, 2006, 01:19:37 PM
Royal family of Romania around 1906 :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/familynando.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Natalya on June 24, 2006, 03:52:10 AM
Whew!!!! Now that the smoke's cleared a little ...

Here's an early shot of Crown Prince Ferdinando and Princess Marie of Edinburgh:

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/crownrpinceferdinandofromania_princessmarieedinburgh.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Natalya on June 24, 2006, 03:54:06 AM
And one of my very favorite-favorites of Queen Marie.  Has there ever been anyone any more lovely?!

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/qmarie.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Natalya on June 24, 2006, 04:20:46 AM
Affie & Marie's family.  This was taken in Russia where they had gathered for  the Coronation of Nichiolas II.

Left to Right:  

(Standing)  Nando, Ernst of Hesse (married to Ducky at the time), Affie, Ducky, AffieJr

(Seated)  Marie and her mother, the Duchess Marie

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/coronation.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2006, 05:29:42 AM
Yes...Marie Coburg was wearing her diamond and ruby necklace created for her by Brolin. That was actioned by Chrstie's a few years ago. I held it in my hands for a long while... ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: julia.montague on June 24, 2006, 09:28:31 AM
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Yes...Marie Coburg was wearing her diamond and ruby necklace created for her by Brolin. That was actioned by Chrstie's a few years ago. I held it in my hands for a long while... ;)
OMG really?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2006, 11:21:48 AM
Yes...the ruby parure went to Sandra, much to their sisters disapointment. Part of that tiara (which was dismantled) was to be resold recently as brooches at a Christie's sale.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Natalya on June 25, 2006, 12:05:07 AM
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Yes...Marie Coburg was wearing her diamond and ruby necklace created for her by Brolin. That was actioned by Chrstie's a few years ago. I held it in my hands for a long while... ;)

I am pea-green with envy!!!  Was this just in an auction with other items, or was this some sort of Royal jewelry auction?  The Edinburgh's are among my favorites (you just GOTTA love a family that has an Affie, a Ducky and a Baby Bee in it!!!), so I would really have loved to have been there and actually TOUCHED the diamond/ruby necklace.  Thanks for always sharing your fascinating experiences!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on June 25, 2006, 08:49:36 AM
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And one of my very favorite-favorites of Queen Marie.  Has there ever been anyone any more lovely?!

(http://cheddarbay.com/0000Romanov/qmarie.jpg)


NO!!!

thanks for takink time to post all these wonderfol photos,great to see all these again  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Canuck on September 11, 2006, 09:07:02 PM
Hello everyone,

I was looking for information on this man and found something at:

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com

If you go there and look up "Joseph Boyle" there is a great article and even a picture of him and Queen Marie.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on October 13, 2006, 01:58:37 PM
I don't know what to think about this lady. Sometimes I like her, because she is a very strong one, openminded and high educated. But otherwise, I don't like her, because she was a men-eater.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 15, 2006, 08:46:37 PM
Men eaters today were glofied...Look at Paris Hilton, Cher and Demi Moore ! Missy lived in a more genteel surroudings. She cannot not help it when men fall for her. Just like the Merlene Dietrich song" Fallling in love again, never wanted to, what am I to do ? I can't help it...!"  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on October 30, 2006, 12:29:40 AM
Its a pitty that there is no coffee table book, about this lady. There are so many beauthiful photo's from her.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 30, 2006, 01:06:50 AM
there is The Life of Queen Marie of Romania in Images by Diana Mandache,it was published in 2003 and a reprint is planned for next year :)


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Grace on October 30, 2006, 01:30:33 AM
I'll bet it's on your coffee table, Laura.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 04, 2006, 03:17:33 AM
oh the book sorry...no i dont have it i'm waintng anxiously its reprint  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on November 07, 2006, 11:11:07 AM
What is the ISBN of this book?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on November 07, 2006, 01:46:27 PM
Believe me Teddy, there is no copy of this book for sale at the moment. Laura and I have done long (!) researches but didn´t find any.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on November 07, 2006, 02:15:35 PM
Yes I know, but I can't this book with google with the title. So I wanted to check it with the ISBN, so I can see the cover, and the views of others.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on November 07, 2006, 02:24:55 PM
The ISBN is 9739432433. Maybe you do have more luck than me.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on November 17, 2006, 07:45:50 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81625_128529.jpg)
Children of the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81786_128690.jpg)
The coronation of King Ferdinand and Queen Marie of Romania at Alba Julia in Transylvania on 15 October 1922.

RN

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 17, 2006, 04:00:53 PM
Does anyone know what Queen Mary thought of Queen Marie? I know George V liked her, but she doesn't sound like May's kind of woman.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 17, 2006, 09:47:37 PM
I think May would have found Missy a bit overpowering (as she was one of the very few who could still remember her as May Teck) plus a bit of jealousy since she was George's first choice for a wife.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bell_the_cat on November 18, 2006, 05:16:38 AM
That's probably about right, Eric. May was very cordial to Marie when she showed up in England, but this was partly due to her husband. In George's view, Marie could "do no wrong", partly because they went back a long way, and partly because of Marie's exemplary WWI record ("quite unlike dear Alicky"). May was wise enough to fall in line with this, but I can't imagine them ever, ever, ever being close pals.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 18, 2006, 06:57:13 AM
they respected each other very much ,i remember Queen Marie's letters to Queen Mary :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 18, 2006, 07:00:23 AM
May liked Marie for a number of reasons which are described in Missy's memiors.  MIssy was not tedious and knew how to behave as a foreign Queen when at the Engklish Court.  Missy and May did corresspond.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 18, 2006, 07:17:37 AM
Didn't Marie say after a post-war visit to London 'one is always so worried about upsetting their conventionalities' or something like that?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 18, 2006, 07:39:19 AM
some pictures from the visit in 1924 :

 (http://img12.imagevenue.com/loc532/th_57683_SWScan00004_122_532lo.jpg) (http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=57683_SWScan00004_122_532lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 18, 2006, 07:56:12 AM


(http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc416/th_58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg) (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg)(http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc395/th_58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg) (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg)(http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc483/th_58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg) (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on November 18, 2006, 10:34:13 AM


(http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc416/th_58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg) (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg)(http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc395/th_58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg) (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg)(http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc483/th_58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg) (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg)



Wonderful !!! Queen Marie is beautiful on these photos, as usual 8)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 18, 2006, 11:13:26 AM
yes she was a very beautiful lady as we all know  :)


Didn't Marie say after a post-war visit to London 'one is always so worried about upsetting their conventionalities' or something like that?

yes she did ,i remember reading about this in her diary :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 18, 2006, 11:14:28 AM
On the same visit, she said something about the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) to the tune that he 'rebels against tradition even though it is his raison d'etre' or something like that (sorry, I'm quoting from memory!)  :-[
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bell_the_cat on November 18, 2006, 04:44:15 PM
And May famously said at the time of the abdication crisis, "it's terrible, one would think we were in Roumania!"  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Prince_Lieven on November 18, 2006, 05:23:42 PM
And May famously said at the time of the abdication crisis, "it's terrible, one would think we were in Roumania!"  ;D

Yes, that was in reply to the thought that Edward could marry Mrs Simpson morganatically.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2006, 05:03:05 AM
Yes...Although Queen Victoria had said there is no morganetic marriage in Britian. May thought of that at once because she herself was a product of a morganetic marriage.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on November 19, 2006, 09:37:15 AM


(http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc416/th_58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg) (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58012_Q_qm41_122_416lo.jpg)(http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc395/th_58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg) (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58016_qm51_122_395lo.jpg)(http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc483/th_58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg) (http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=58021_qm5_detail1_122_483lo.jpg)


Wooooh!! Laurra she looks stunning (and so elegant) in this pictures, this series of pictures are  my new favourites of her. :D (and that's a difficult choice because their are so many beautiful pictures taken of this "Queen of Elegance"")
Thank you fore posting.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 19, 2006, 11:18:55 AM
Yes...Although Queen Victoria had said there is no morganetic marriage in Britian. May thought of that at once because she herself was a product of a morganetic marriage.  ???

A German morganetic marriage.  GB and The UK do recognize morganetic marriage.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on November 19, 2006, 01:22:50 PM
I don't think she was jealous at all. Missy did write that she felt that she enlivened George and May's lives but wonderful a bit if she was too unconventional. Nonetheless, she felt that the two enjoyed her company and she enjoyed the soothing nature of their conventional lives--both were needed in small doses, however. George and May were both sympathetic towards Missy and she confided in both of them throughout the years. George once wrote that he didn't envy Ducky and Missy their lives to which May concurred--this was during the nadir of Ducky's relationship with Ernie.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2006, 07:37:23 PM
It was a bit difficult to know what May really felt since she bottled up herself completely and agreed to much George was saying (most of the time). As she told David "He is your father , but he is also your king." sort of sums of whatever she felt privately, she owed her husband her loyalty and complete obedience.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on November 20, 2006, 12:17:52 AM
i think may was way too controlled to let any kind of jealousy out. she might have felt some, maybe not on account of george who we all know loved may completely (and i'm sure a woman knows when her husband loves her), but on the account of 'look, she's so beautiful and elegant and everyone is enchanted by her'. some sort of typical female jealousy. but that kind of jealousy, unless doubled up with personal facts (like the person you envy might do something to you personally that you don't like) goes away quite quickly. and missy was tactful enough with people not to do anything to may.

i did read in her memoires that she felt that she was quite an eccentric at the british court. i'm sure she was :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2006, 01:47:40 AM
Yes...May was never as confident about herself as Missy was (as both the granddaughter of the Queen of Great Britian & the Tsar of Russia ). I remember reading that when she was still May of Teck, she was genuinely surprised when she was asked to sign something during a charitable Bazzar. She asked if they really wanted her and not her more illustious cousins. Another issue was when the fashion for dresses stated to go up and reveal the ankles, George V forbid May to wear something like that (although his sister Maud quickly switched to the new style...even wearing a short mourning dress to her mother's furneral).  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 20, 2006, 06:01:23 AM

i did read in her memoires that she felt that she was quite an eccentric at the british court. i'm sure she was :)

Missy was pretty eccentric or "over the top" at every court or whever she was.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on November 20, 2006, 08:42:09 AM
well, apparently in romania she wasn't  ::)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2006, 05:51:05 PM
In Romania she was appreciated for her style.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 21, 2006, 06:18:48 AM
Yes...Although Queen Victoria had said there is no morganetic marriage in Britian. May thought of that at once because she herself was a product of a morganetic marriage.  ???


A German morganetic marriage.  GB and The UK do NOT recognize morganetic marriage.

TampaBay

P.S.  Sorry for the TYPO
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 21, 2006, 06:20:33 AM
In Romania she was appreciated for her style.  ;)

Marie was appreciated for style everywhere all over the world.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 21, 2006, 08:39:11 AM
in Romania Queen Marie was ( and still is ) appreciated for much more than just her style
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 21, 2006, 10:58:12 AM
Indeed...She had more than style. Her presentation was considered too forward and bizzare for England.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 22, 2006, 05:22:31 AM
its easy to imagine...however ,unlike her mother, Marie loved England very much and never forgot her roots  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on November 22, 2006, 05:49:28 AM
All part of Marie's personality.  I do not think she ever visited a country she did not like.  She just loved life and was not afarid to express it.

She was the "Lady Di" of her day.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on November 22, 2006, 06:28:25 AM
All part of Marie's personality.  I do not think she ever visited a country she did not like.  She just loved life and was not afarid to express it.

She was the "Lady Di" of her day.

TampaBay

i think she was rather unimpressed with germany. in her memoires she criticized german style (architecture, furniture... etc. she was appalled by king carol's decorations). tbh i don't think it fit her very well - it was even more rigid than the english one.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2006, 09:53:21 AM
Marie reached back into medievel history to create her own style of dress and decorations.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 10, 2006, 10:28:04 AM
(http://www.royal-magazin.de/romania/tiara/Marie-fringe-tiara.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 10, 2006, 10:36:24 AM
(http://www.salzburg.co.at/gurschner/Bildhauer_Gurschner/bilder/b1912004.jpg)

A medal with Marie
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 10, 2006, 10:48:23 AM
(http://www.bcucluj.ro/images/ist2.jpg)

Marie & Nando
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 11, 2006, 01:14:06 AM
all her photos are remarkable ,one can only admire them for hours  ::) never seen one awkward image or anything like that she's unique from this point of view  -no wonder Mrs.Pakula named her " the legendary Marie...the most famous beauty,heroine and royal celebrity of her time " :)  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marie Valerie on December 11, 2006, 12:09:58 PM
(http://www.huesken.com/onload/fotos/3282.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 12, 2006, 05:15:49 AM
she  enjoyed a lot  wearing the Romanian folk dress :) this emphasized even more the important bond between the Queen and " her People "(as she used to say) --there are so many beautiful pictures and films of her in the traditional Romanian costume  :)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on December 13, 2006, 09:56:16 AM
Even as an older person, Queen Marie never lost the same basic beauty she always had.  Especially in her eyes.  As opposed to Ducky who, you can see in pictures of her later years, lost whatever little spark in her eyes she had. 

Queen Marie retained more than just her looks.  She was one of the most prolific historians of the time period and without the chronicles she put forward, we wouldn't have the extraordinary views of Pre and Post revolutionary Europe, IMO.

One of the things that endears her to me is her never ending love of "her People".  The pictures in the Romanian folk costumes are some of the most beautiful.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 13, 2006, 10:54:13 AM
True...although in later pictures, Missy did appeared tired and worn out as her sickness began to worsen.

Yes, she had purpose with her life that made her energize (just like her Aunt Vicky).  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on December 18, 2006, 10:45:49 AM
She definitely has a most regal bearing and yet she still manages to look approachable.  I was hesitant to use the word but IMO when you see close ups of her face, it radiates an ethereal beauty.  Especially her eyes.  Perhaps that was one of a million reasons she was so popular with he "People".  Something about her makes her "one of them" as well.  And her eyes are always impish.  Maybe that was one reason people whe didn't really know Ducky and her life think ill of her.  Her eyes look like she could never laugh ( I have only seen one pic of Ducky laughing and it was on this site so I don't know that it was a public picture).

Wearing the Romanian Folk attire was becoming but also a shrewd move on her part.  It endeared her even more to her "People".  It's funny how you compare  - Queen Marie (when she was Crown Princess) and Victoria Melita when she was Grand Duchess of Hesse and how each handled situations both portents for catastrophe.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 18, 2006, 11:07:47 AM
your posts are very nice lori_c -- it is great to have people that understand Queen Marie so well on this board :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 18, 2006, 07:40:31 PM
Indeed...Missy does have a fan following both in the US & England as well... ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 19, 2006, 10:56:10 AM
yeah..more from the US i'd say ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on December 19, 2006, 06:58:39 PM
yeah..more from the US i'd say ;)

Missy is a USA kind of "Gal".  Beautiful and outspoken!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on December 20, 2006, 12:48:19 PM
your posts are very nice lori_c -- it is great to have people that understand Queen Marie so well on this board :)

Thank you for your kindess Laura. I don't think I have ever been so drawn to a Royal figure such as Queen Marie.  Except for maybe GD Elizabeth, she is very dear to me.

Lori
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on December 20, 2006, 08:13:32 PM
Lori.

As the unofficial President of THE Quenn Marie Fan Club-USA chapter, I 100% know what you mean. 

Queen Marie was THE Lady Diana of her day!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on December 21, 2006, 01:07:11 PM
Lori.

As the unofficial President of THE Quenn Marie Fan Club-USA chapter, I 100% know what you mean. 

Queen Marie was THE Lady Diana of her day!!!

TampaBay

Thanks for the tip on the Fan Club.  Is there a wesite?
And indeed, Queen Marie WAS the Lady Diana of her time;

There are just not enough words in my vocabulary to express how I feel about this amazing woman!

Lori
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 24, 2006, 11:01:06 AM
some pics from Terence Elsberry's  book - Merry Christmas everbody !!!  :D

 (http://img43.imagevenue.com/loc345/th_79068_jdfvhdj_122_345lo.jpg) (http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=79068_jdfvhdj_122_345lo.jpg)

 (http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc511/th_79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg) (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg)

Queen Marie at 60  by Philip Alexius de László.

(http://img164.imagevenue.com/loc457/th_79428_delaszlo_122_457lo.jpg) (http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=79428_delaszlo_122_457lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 24, 2006, 03:51:09 PM

 (http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc511/th_79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg) (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg)



Wow, I've never seen this one. ::) Thanks, Laura. *shame on me, I don't have Elsberry's book  :-[*
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 26, 2006, 06:43:17 AM
more pictures from   Bran Castle - Residence of Queen Maria and Princess Ileana

 (http://img13.imagevenue.com/loc558/th_36879_missy1898_122_558lo.jpg) (http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36879_missy1898_122_558lo.jpg) (http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc447/th_36884_maria89999_122_447lo.jpg) (http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=36884_maria89999_122_447lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 26, 2006, 06:45:14 AM


(http://img168.imagevenue.com/loc370/th_37108_missyileana_122_370lo.jpg) (http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37108_missyileana_122_370lo.jpg)(http://img22.imagevenue.com/loc552/th_37109_missyileana3_122_552lo.jpg) (http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37109_missyileana3_122_552lo.jpg)(http://img145.imagevenue.com/loc302/th_37115_missychildren_122_302lo.jpg) (http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37115_missychildren_122_302lo.jpg)(http://img13.imagevenue.com/loc473/th_37123_carolmissynicky_122_473lo.jpg) (http://img13.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37123_carolmissynicky_122_473lo.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 26, 2006, 06:46:07 AM
 (http://img160.imagevenue.com/loc329/th_37192_reginaromanieimari_122_329lo.jpg) (http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=37192_reginaromanieimari_122_329lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on December 26, 2006, 12:11:46 PM
Great pics! I just adore Queen's coronation crown :P
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on January 05, 2007, 10:35:54 AM

 (http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc511/th_79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg) (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=79247_maria4677_122_511lo.jpg)



Wow, I've never seen this one. ::) Thanks, Laura. *shame on me, I don't have Elsberry's book  :-[*
It's a totally awesome book.  Well worth the read and the money.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on January 05, 2007, 04:00:52 PM
it is a very good book on Marie together with Pakula's book and Gauthier's bio :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on January 05, 2007, 04:07:04 PM
Quote
more pictures from   Bran Castle - Residence of Queen Maria and Princess Ileana

My brother told me that Bran Castle is going to be sold - the actual owner is Dominic of Habsburg (son of Ileana) - but he and the state can´t agree on a certain price.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 06, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
Quote
more pictures from   Bran Castle - Residence of Queen Maria and Princess Ileana

My brother told me that Bran Castle is going to be sold - the actual owner is Dominic of Habsburg (son of Ileana) - but he and the state can´t agree on a certain price.

And what do you think - is that a sad new? :-\
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on January 06, 2007, 03:32:52 PM
I do not know - if Mr. Habsburg doesn´t want to keep this historic castle in his family it might be better so. Imagine what his mother and grandmother would have said! ::)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 07, 2007, 01:54:54 AM
it is true. i believe he asked for 70 million euros for it. the state however thinks it's a little too much. if the state and dominic don't agree the castle will be placed on the private market available for the highest bidder.

i for one think a rich person would take much better care of the castle - provided he allowed the public to visit it, obviously. the romanian state has much bigger problems to handle.

some pictures of bran castle (taken in october):

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/348726220_1df50a9b17.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/348726219_7f1ffbcfaa.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/348726217_479e65c64d.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/348726216_d92e8cac7e.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/348726215_1c5a2ccc68.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/348726211_d546ad839a.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on January 07, 2007, 02:49:54 AM
I do not know - if Mr. Habsburg doesn´t want to keep this historic castle in his family it might be better so. Imagine what his mother and grandmother would have said! ::)

I can easily imagine :).

To Ilyala: thanks for the pictures!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on January 07, 2007, 07:38:14 AM
I do not know - if Mr. Habsburg doesn´t want to keep this historic castle in his family it might be better so. Imagine what his mother and grandmother would have said! ::)

Marie understood money unlike most royalities and would understand.  A private mueum/resort would be a great idea.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on January 07, 2007, 08:57:18 AM

Marie understood money unlike most royalities and would understand.  A private mueum/resort would be a great idea.

TampaBay

I don´t think he´s is selling the castle because he needs the money - he simply doesn´t want to keep it.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on January 07, 2007, 09:09:23 AM
that's an even better reason to sell. if he can't get involved in it he should sell it to someone who can.

again, provided he makes sure the castle stays available for the public.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marlene on January 08, 2007, 09:21:58 AM
The family does not have the money to maintain the castle.


Marie understood money unlike most royalities and would understand.  A private mueum/resort would be a great idea.

TampaBay

I don´t think he´s is selling the castle because he needs the money - he simply doesn´t want to keep it.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 06, 2007, 09:42:38 AM
thanx palimpsest :) so beautiful, elegant and classy ::) ::)

if only we could turn back time... :)

2 pics i like so very much ;)

(http://img34.imagevenue.com/loc107/th_77078_Marie107_122_107lo.jpg) (http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=77078_Marie107_122_107lo.jpg)  (http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc237/th_77083_Marie112_122_237lo.jpg) (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=77083_Marie112_122_237lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Marie Valerie on February 07, 2007, 01:16:52 PM
Here are some scans from Queen Marie's german book:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3502.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3503.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3504.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3505.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3506.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3507.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/RUM3508.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on February 07, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
How wonderful! Thanks so much.

What a pity there isn't more available to us English.  But pictures transcend language don't they? :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 14, 2007, 03:02:08 AM
like Tampa, i think its a wig ;) :)

(http://img168.imagevenue.com/loc186/th_43605_Marie15_122_186lo.jpg) (http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43605_Marie15_122_186lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: miki_nastya on February 23, 2007, 03:20:17 AM
 I read yesterday in  newspaper that Qeen Marie of Romania was the first royal women who cut her hair very short. Is this true? I never heard about that.
   What do you think ? ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on February 23, 2007, 08:15:38 AM
maybe the first queen. but i think nicholas 2nd's eldest daughters cut their hair short long before she did.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 23, 2007, 08:36:06 AM
Yes but that was due to measles was it not ilyala? I thought women only started bobbing there hair in the 1920s?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on February 23, 2007, 09:17:44 AM
maybe the first queen. but i think nicholas 2nd's eldest daughters cut their hair short long before she did.

Ilyala, didn't Tatiana have to wear a wig for something before the measle episode?  I'm not sure about this. ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on February 23, 2007, 09:22:16 AM
Marie was THE Lady Diana of her Day.  My Grandmother (born 1917) could quote verbatim about Marie of Romania".  Marie new how to work the international press.  She was publishing books and posing for advertisiments (Lux Soap) long before Sarah Furgeson's grandmother was probably even born.

People are shocked at Sarah.  Can you imagine the tidaal waves caused by Missy?  ;D ;D ;D

TampaBay

Indeed!  But Missy seemed to always know how to handle the press. ;)  Diana, I think gradually found out how to use her very public image. 
Missy was always very image conscious and IMO always knew what worked and what didn't for herself.   I have never seen a bad picture of her.  Her talent with her writings and publishings are immeasureable for her place and time as a member of royalty, especially a Queen.  What an absolutely wonderful elegant woman! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 23, 2007, 09:50:57 AM
Again I think that was due to illness and until her hair grew back.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on February 23, 2007, 10:19:45 AM
Wasn't it something like scarlet fever? ???
But I believe that's true, the Tsar's daughters only had their hair cut because of illness. They hadn't embraced the bob look voluntarily.  But i can always be wrong ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on February 23, 2007, 12:45:14 PM
Yes, that is true. They had their heads shaved after they had measles in 1917. Their hair grew back short. Apart from this, Tatiana did once have short hair about 1914 because she had her head shaved after an illness, I am not sure what, but she is said to have gotten it after drinking some lemonade made with bad water at a party. She did wear a wig in the formal photos where the entire family is together, one of the most well known images of the Imperial Family. In later photos, once her hair was back, but short, she is seen with short hair, which looked nice on her. There are not so many photos after 1917 of otma, but they did have short hair then, although I think they wore wigs until they grew it back somewhat. As for Marie of Romania, I have never read that much about her and this, but it could well be true because she tried to be as modern as possible. It would be interesting to get some info on that, I suppose when she had her hair short, it would have been the '20s, although to do that then for a royal woman was to be quite modern.But, then she was never one to be lost in the past.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on February 23, 2007, 02:42:06 PM
Didn't Missy (or Vicky) write that Princess Charlotte of Prussia had her hair cut very short--this was prior to 1901--and how notable it was? She just wore add-ons when she needed to.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eddie_uk on February 23, 2007, 04:55:13 PM
That's interesting GD Ella. 1901 seems so early for short hair, especially for royalty. I don't think it would have suited OTMA, they looked pretty and feminine I think.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bornemiszacostarica on February 23, 2007, 05:45:11 PM
She looks soo beautiful here:

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/MarieBalcic02.jpg)


(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/MarieBalcic05.jpg)


with her sister Victoria Melita:

(http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/images/MarieBalcic03.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 24, 2007, 04:19:32 AM
i especially like the one with Victoria Melita  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 24, 2007, 05:13:00 AM
long hair..short hair...a beautiful woman remains a beautiful woman ;) :)


(http://img147.imagevenue.com/loc170/th_15713_Marie58_122_170lo.jpg) (http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15713_Marie58_122_170lo.jpg)(http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc274/th_15717_Marie25_122_274lo.jpg) (http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15717_Marie25_122_274lo.jpg)(http://img168.imagevenue.com/loc62/th_15722_Marie32_122_62lo.jpg) (http://img168.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15722_Marie32_122_62lo.jpg)


Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Linnea on February 24, 2007, 08:23:22 AM
The daughters of Nicholas of Greece also had short hair in the 1920s.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alicky1872 on February 24, 2007, 05:35:30 PM
Didn't Missy (or Vicky) write that Princess Charlotte of Prussia had her hair cut very short--this was prior to 1901--and how notable it was? She just wore add-ons when she needed to.

Yes, it was Missy who mentioned Charly was the first woman she had seen with short hair...unfortunately she doesn't mention a date.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on February 26, 2007, 10:10:46 AM
I think in the early 20th century up until the 20's, it was considered "high" fashion for a lady to have long hair.  The "bob" came into style after OTMA and in Queen Marie's own very exciting life, who was up w/fashion while having seemingly created her own.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 02, 2007, 11:59:17 AM
http://www.nicholaswhyte.info/romania.htm

check out this link, it describes the family quite well  :).


edited to add: the lady mixes up a lot of the names but i suppose it's understandable.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Lucien on March 09, 2007, 02:34:33 AM
The coronation of Ferdinand and Marie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TeoX0sNTnk

Visiting the troops during WWI:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1impxH9za04

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 09, 2007, 07:39:42 AM
i've seen those long ago theres another one from her American journey  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on March 16, 2007, 02:03:37 PM
From the biographies of her that I read, I always got the impression she did much for the war effort in Romania. Does anyone else think so? Her personality and thus her popularity did much good for the war effort in my opinion, and for Romania in general.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on March 16, 2007, 03:55:44 PM
From the biographies of her that I read, I always got the impression she did much for the war effort in Romania. Does anyone else think so? Her personality and thus her popularity did much good for the war effort in my opinion, and for Romania in general.

dear imperial angel :)

the answer to that  is obvious  :) she played a very important role from all perspectives during the war.

 (http://img134.imagevenue.com/loc373/th_78197_NurseMarie2_122_373lo.jpg) (http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78197_NurseMarie2_122_373lo.jpg) (http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc567/th_78202_MarieRedCross_122_567lo.jpg) (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78202_MarieRedCross_122_567lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on March 17, 2007, 02:28:18 AM
imo, during the war she did precisely what she had to do and she did it very well. and it didn't go unrecorded. (not even by her  :P)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on March 21, 2007, 01:59:55 PM
Did she not write a famous letter to her cousin, King George about a piece of land if they won the war? We know the letter what I mean?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Janet_W. on March 21, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Prior to the first world war a woman's hair was nearly equivalent to her virtue. From the time she was a child a little girl was expected to grow her hair, and coming into "womanhood" was signified by a young woman being allowed to put her hair up. (Remember Jo "sacrificing" her hair in Little Women?) For a mature woman to wear her hair long in public was deemed inappropriate; only in the boudoir, for the pleasure of her husband, was it appropriate for a married woman to let down her long and sensuous hair.

As noted, changes were in the air by the beginning of the 20th century, and there were mavericks such as Princess Charlotte. But aside from illness, long hair--a woman's "crowing glory"--was not only normal but expected. Having one's hair "shingled," as was the case with Queen Marie and other personalities such as Hollywood icon Mary Pickford, began not long after the war and was considered daring. (And therefore completely in keeping with Marie's personality!) Many older women continued the tradition of keeping their hair long into the 1930s, 1940s and beyond. And I think we're all aware that a number cultures today still support that tradition.

I've always found it interesting that post-illness Tatiana was photographed presumably not in a wig or a hair attachment but wearing a head band and looking--to our eyes--quite contemporary. Being photographed as such . . . would this have been the norm among young women of certain standing?  And do we have any references to her short hair from her mother, grandmother, Aunt Xenia, etc?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 03, 2007, 02:17:54 PM
Marie certainly was one of the most image conscious royals of her day, and I was reading the earlier part of this thread for the first time, and it is clear from the pictures she knew how to use her image. Her sister Ducky never figured that out, and many royals back then never did. Marie's doing this in the age before many did shows she was different. I think it was her personality as much as her looks that grabbed people. She was simply a very larger than life royal who had an understanding of public opinion rare for her day.

Of course it was naturally her personality to express herself as well. She was the Princess Diana of her day in terms of popularity, and looks, but it seems she was more in control of her life public and private than Princess Diana who was more emotional. Queen Marie used her nature which may have been comparable with Princess Diana's emotional nature in a more constructive fashion or maybe she had less pressure. Still, she used her personality wisely, whereas Princess Diana had her moments of public criticism. But in terms of how the two women were regarded, they rank close. Still, Queen Marie was more wise or pragmatic than Princess Diana ever was. The debates about Marie's religion illustrate her nature very well, because most royal women in that day were very definite on religion, and she wasn't. It illustrates how modern she really was.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 03, 2007, 07:29:11 PM
By most accounts, Marie was extremely forward thinking in her religious beliefs. One of the first of royalty to practice the Bahai Faith.  Which one more display of how different and 20th century this Queen truly was.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 03, 2007, 08:18:34 PM
Yes...And it was no surprise that she made it big into the modern world while her cousins like Alicky & Willy failed because they tried to hold on to the old world.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 04, 2007, 08:53:14 AM
Absolutely.  This is definitely where she differs.  The rest of royalty seemed bent on holding on to an outdated and antiquated system, holding on to the last vestiges of the old days with the tips of their fingernails.

Yet Missy seems to have realized the need for change and welcomed the new century and it's new ideas with typicaly Missy flourish. :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 05, 2007, 08:22:54 AM
She did; in my opinion she was more 20th century than not, ( especially as it went on), and she seems to have realized that fact, and embraced it. She made living ahead of her time work for her when some who live ahead of their time don't make it work for them. That's a gift, and thus the postwar world was much easier for her. Unlike Ducky, her sister and Alix her cousin as discussed in another thread, she didn't have a tragic life because of her personality, as they perhaps did, although her children were in some ways a tragedy, at least Karol was. She seems to have made the best of it, not the worst.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 05, 2007, 08:29:58 AM
I think one of her many gifts was incorporating her tragedies into her dramatic flair for dealing with all life handed to her.  She was also not one to sit around and wait for life to deal it to her.  She tried to be proactive in changing things for the better.  Where, as you pointed out, her sister Ducky rolled with the punches and Alix seemed to chalk everything to fate and God's will.

Missy, especially during and after the war didn't sit around with nothing but her "lovely manners" as most aristocrats and ex-royals did.  She maintained her crown, her dignity and the love of the Romanian people.  Which is a tall order even during peacetime. :)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on April 05, 2007, 10:58:15 AM
she contributed a lot to romania's diplomatic efforts after world war 1. where romania's prime minister failed - ionel bratianu was a bit rough around the edges  ::) - she succeeded  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilyala on April 07, 2007, 07:44:09 AM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/449355717_d686c8a6dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 09, 2007, 03:34:03 PM
I haven't seen that picture of Queen Marie before and she is truly worthy of the title.
That is a breathtaking picture.  Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 10, 2007, 11:06:44 AM
I think one of her many gifts was incorporating her tragedies into her dramatic flair for dealing with all life handed to her.  She was also not one to sit around and wait for life to deal it to her.  She tried to be proactive in changing things for the better.  Where, as you pointed out, her sister Ducky rolled with the punches and Alix seemed to chalk everything to fate and God's will.

Missy, especially during and after the war didn't sit around with nothing but her "lovely manners" as most aristocrats and ex-royals did.  She maintained her crown, her dignity and the love of the Romanian people.  Which is a tall order even during peacetime. :)



I agree. She did have many gifts so many that I can't think of them, and sum them all up by myself. But, she certainly did make circumstances work for her in a life that wasn't all roses. Some in her position would be remembered in a darker light than she. Some royals are only remembered or at least debated because they were tragic or made bad/controversial choices. Some are not that debated because their lives were happy, but somewhat boring. Some are remembered for being unusual, for having unusual gifts that would stand out even if they hadn't had the position they had, and that enhanced the position they did have. Marie was one of those. ;) I tend to know more about Ducky and like Ducky better, but you have to admit that Marie stood out for many reasons Ducky didn't and had more gifts than she.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 10, 2007, 11:24:01 AM
It truly amazes me how the sisters were "bookends" of each other yet maintained their extraoridnary closeness all their lives.  Even the Hessian sisters, however close they were, didn't seem to have the same relationship as Missy and Ducky.  They seemed to sustain each other no matter what.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 10, 2007, 11:43:36 AM
Indeed. It's amazing they even got along much less got along so well if you consider their differences. ;) Now, nobody can debate Missy's good qualities and all the good she did for her country. Ducky still is not a popular figure to most even now, and never really got the chance to be good for any country ( not that she was any country's detriment either). I believe one of Missy's best legacies was what she was to her country, even if her children weren't part of that. In many ways Ducky's legacy to Russia was her children, in terms of the continuing on the succession.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 10, 2007, 11:48:00 AM
That's so true.  It's amazing to me, not being from Europe how each woman's legacy lives on.  In Hesse, Ducky is remembered not so well.  Whereas in Romania, it seems from what I have read that Queen Marie is still a beloved hero of her country.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2007, 08:22:29 PM
Yes...but even Missy had trouble with Sandra during the dividing of the spoils after their mother's death.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: lori_c on April 11, 2007, 02:19:15 PM
Yes, but in this case that "one bad apple" didn't spoil the whole bunch.  Though the estate of the Duchess of Coburg may have caused strife because of Sandra, it didn't stop Missy from being the bright star that she was.  Even in the squabbles in her own family.  It certainly didn't stop her closeness to Ducky. ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 12, 2007, 02:11:13 PM
Well, Elisabeth might have been her least favorite daughter  ;) I think that it is too bad that the seeming innocence of the young Elisabeth in those photos didn't endure, although it is nice to see when it was in photos.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 13, 2007, 06:41:37 PM

(Changing the topic, sorry)

To me, Marie would fit in perfectly today, she was fashionable, pretty, and I guess nice (I never met her, so I can’t judge her).
The only thing I do not like about her, but at the sometime prude of her, that she had lovers, and wanted the men she loved and wanted. Men in those days, it was ok and cool to have a mistress, but for women it was a no-no to have a lover. Marie, Princess of England, a granddaughter of a Tsar and a Queen, everyone expects you to be an Angel, ……well Marie wasn’t, she was just a human.  Good for her! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on April 14, 2007, 04:27:07 AM
thanks for changing the topic!  :-\  :-X

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4451/phpi6etggam1nc8.jpg)(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2944/phpvhffaham1iq0.jpg)

2 pics i personally like very much!  :)



Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on April 14, 2007, 06:28:22 AM
Wow, never seen those 2 pics! :) Just stunning romantic Missy! :o
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: KarlandZita on April 15, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
thanks for changing the topic!  :-\  :-X

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4451/phpi6etggam1nc8.jpg)(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2944/phpvhffaham1iq0.jpg)

2 pics i personally like very much!  :)









Two splendid pics of Queen Marie, indeed, whom I find photographed in a very modern way :o
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: imperial angel on April 19, 2007, 06:58:05 PM

(Changing the topic, sorry)

To me, Marie would fit in perfectly today, she was fashionable, pretty, and I guess nice (I never met her, so I can’t judge her).
The only thing I do not like about her, but at the sometime prude of her, that she had lovers, and wanted the men she loved and wanted. Men in those days, it was ok and cool to have a mistress, but for women it was a no-no to have a lover. Marie, Princess of England, a granddaughter of a Tsar and a Queen, everyone expects you to be an Angel, ……well Marie wasn’t, she was just a human.  Good for her! :)

Certainly I think being human was a wide apart of her appeal, even though this was not so visible to the public as for example, that Princess Diana was very human. But, that quality links the two women. That's one I hadn't thought of before your post, in that exact light. I think Princess Diana's human qualities were more widely known because of her being later on, but the essential appeal of both women can be explained by this. I think everyone spoke well of Marie of Romania, I can't think of anyone who didn't, since she was nice and more than that, actually- and very uncontroversial.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on April 21, 2007, 03:20:01 AM
at the MARYHILL MUSEUM OF ART in Washington.

http://www.maryhillmuseum.org/
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 14, 2007, 05:39:42 AM
a short video about the Queen's Heart ( they show her heart in the end ) and a short scene presenting a smoking Queen Marie in her later years  - she did smoke quite a lot after Carol returned ( that might have caused her ilness of course)  :(

http://www.tvr.ro/articol.php?id=7057

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 14, 2007, 08:04:09 PM
A great scene of her reading & smoking. Wonder if there are documentaries about her life in Romania !  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 15, 2007, 01:19:44 AM
yes there are ,watched many lately ...many about her heart that is on the road to becoming a legend  :)
also i didnt know there are so many videos of her  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 16, 2007, 03:23:11 PM
unfortunately no news on the reprint of The Life of Queen Marie of Romania in Images  :( its pretty disappointing because i read an article not very long ago and the author (Diana Mandache) said the reprint is planned for April 2007 if i remember well  :( oh well...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2007, 08:37:32 PM
Was that in Romania ?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 17, 2007, 01:55:06 AM
yes it was published by The Center for Romanian Studies( Iasi, Romania)  in April 2003  :(

like the book below:

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/RecentBooks/AmericansAndQueenMarie/index.htm
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: miki_nastya on May 23, 2007, 02:28:44 AM
           In what year did Missy cut her hair?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on June 14, 2007, 04:23:02 AM
there are many portraits of Queen Marie but they are not reproduced in books.i have this from an exhibition catalogue.there are more portraits at Cotroceni and Pelisor, especially as Crown Princess  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bornemiszacostarica on August 14, 2007, 01:58:01 AM
(http://image5.newsbank.com/dallas/release_0030/10414859C2ED4C14/1041485AC9602448.gif)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2007, 03:10:51 AM
Nice article. From NYT ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bornemiszacostarica on August 14, 2007, 01:43:22 PM
No, from a Newspaper of Texas
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bornemiszacostarica on August 14, 2007, 01:51:30 PM
(http://image5.newsbank.com/dallas/release_0036/105422A19F88BC3E/105422A2E7FB13FF.gif)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: bornemiszacostarica on August 14, 2007, 09:29:32 PM
she committed mistakes as the rest of the world, but definitively she was an excellent mother and grandmother
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dmitri on August 15, 2007, 10:43:09 PM
I doubt whether Ferdinand would have had the reign he did without her. He was hardly the most inspiring man. Without Marie he would have probably have floundered. She brought huge benefits on marriage with the connections with other Royal Houses.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 15, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
Which did not tell why she found him a bore in the romance department  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on August 28, 2007, 09:35:07 AM
Ferdinand

 (http://img180.imagevenue.com/loc116/th_09573_STA_0059_122_116lo.JPG) (http://img180.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09573_STA_0059_122_116lo.JPG)

Crown Princess Marie and children

 (http://img124.imagevenue.com/loc708/th_09822_IMG_0067_122_708lo.JPG) (http://img124.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09822_IMG_0067_122_708lo.JPG)  (http://img137.imagevenue.com/loc118/th_11764_STI_0035_122_118lo.JPG) (http://img137.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=11764_STI_0035_122_118lo.JPG)

IMO Nando's mother  :-\

(http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc432/th_10032_IMG_0065_122_432lo.JPG) (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=10032_IMG_0065_122_432lo.JPG)

Carol, Elisabeth, Maria

 (http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc596/th_11402_STC_0029_122_596lo.JPG) (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=11402_STC_0029_122_596lo.JPG)  (http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc1169/th_11474_STB_0028_122_1169lo.JPG) (http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=11474_STB_0028_122_1169lo.JPG)  (http://img188.imagevenue.com/loc555/th_11555_STE_0031_122_555lo.JPG) (http://img188.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=11555_STE_0031_122_555lo.JPG)







Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on August 29, 2007, 02:56:45 AM


Crown Princess Marie

(http://img152.imagevenue.com/loc1123/th_73684_IMG_0077_122_1123lo.JPG) (http://img152.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73684_IMG_0077_122_1123lo.JPG) (http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc809/th_73796_STC_0070_122_809lo.JPG) (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73796_STC_0070_122_809lo.JPG) (http://img167.imagevenue.com/loc1137/th_73861_STA_0027_122_1137lo.JPG) (http://img167.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=73861_STA_0027_122_1137lo.JPG)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Aleksasha on August 30, 2007, 05:30:03 AM
All the portraits are exhibited in the corridors of Pelishor castle, the summer villa of Marie and Ferdinand, next to Peles Castle, Sinaia, Romania.
The portret of Marie and the children is by Tini Rupprecht; Nando, Carol II, Missy, are watercolours by Antonio Argnani.
Potrait of princess Antonia von Hohenzollern by German painter  G. Rienaeker ( in Nando's study,  ground floor).
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: dmitri on September 04, 2007, 02:54:48 AM
Marie was a great Queen. Ferdinand was uninspiring and Carol II was a complete and utter disaster. What a shame Marie was not Queen Regnant.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: TampaBay on September 11, 2007, 09:10:33 PM
Marie was a great Queen. Ferdinand was uninspiring and Carol II was a complete and utter disaster. What a shame Marie was not Queen Regnant.

i disagree: Nando was an excellent Constitutional Monarrch.  Of Course Missy was a subperb Consort but this should NOT take away from Nando!!
 
TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2007, 08:26:34 PM
Well...But it was Marie that pushed Romania into the arms of the allies, poor Nando found it hard to break with Germany... ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 07, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
good news ..the long awaited picturebook looks great :)

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/RecentBooks/MarieImagesOfQueen/index.htm
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Angie_H on October 17, 2007, 03:32:46 PM
good news ..the long awaited picturebook looks great :)

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/RecentBooks/MarieImagesOfQueen/index.htm
Does anyone know how and where to purchase it?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 19, 2007, 09:04:55 PM
great pictures laurra!

and will this book be able to be bought online or will it be published in the US anytime soon?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Teddy on October 20, 2007, 11:34:24 AM
You can get it trough Van Hoogstraten, in the Hague, the Netherlands.

www.hoogstraten.nl
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 27, 2007, 02:11:59 AM
few pics from Marie of Romania. Images of a Queen

 (http://img19.imagevenue.com/loc1166/th_69085_1._Maria_de_Edinburgh_122_1166lo.jpg) (http://img19.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69085_1._Maria_de_Edinburgh_122_1166lo.jpg)

 (http://img162.imagevenue.com/loc1169/th_69161_Marie1Carol02_122_1169lo.jpg) (http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69161_Marie1Carol02_122_1169lo.jpg)

 (http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc459/th_69207_6._Marie_9_Ferdinand_0_children_18981Biblioteca_Nationala_a_Romaniei7_Colectii_Speciale2_122_459lo.jpg) (http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69207_6._Marie_9_Ferdinand_0_children_18981Biblioteca_Nationala_a_Romaniei7_Colectii_Speciale2_122_459lo.jpg)

 (http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc1055/th_69237_9._QM_4_Michael_6_Peter_122_1055lo.jpg) (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69237_9._QM_4_Michael_6_Peter_122_1055lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 04:41:27 AM
Laurra, thanks sooo much  :-*
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: royal_netherlands on November 15, 2007, 02:39:05 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/17572.jpg)

I hope not posted before. But here you can see one of the most elegant Queens of her time.
Queen Maria of Rumania in 1926, personally signed by her. Specially fore Laurra!

With many greetings from the country between England and Germany.

Royal Netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on November 15, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
aww  that's so nice of you RN , thank you very much  :-*   :)
Queen Marie was indeed a very stylish and elegant lady :-)

here's a very interesting  pic from the new album...hehe Her Majesty  was advertising apples in America :-)) at first she did not want to pose but after tasting the delicious golden apples she joyously accepted!  ;)

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/341/b10mariaqi7.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b10mariaqi7.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Princess Susan on December 13, 2007, 06:55:13 AM
I always consider post mortem photos for very sad :'(, but this picture is propably quite rare. I haven't seen it before. I can't find it also on her galery- http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/Gallery/index.htm. Anyway I like this link, because there are so many wonderful pictures. But pity, that there are no pictures from her childhood. Does anybody have some?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on December 13, 2007, 02:02:35 PM
here are some...

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/2c.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/1b.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/thumb_13xu-1161.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/duckyssisteres.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/princessmarieofedinburgh.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/230617394eCPjmd_ph.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/Missy1878.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/MissyAlfredherbrother1881.jpg)

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/Missy1879.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 14, 2007, 07:03:16 PM
here are some...

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e386/mashka1899/Prince%20Alfreds%20children/1b.jpg)

 

I have an 11x16 print of this one framed on my wall.  It was apparently published around the time it was painting in a volume with other portraits shown at the Royal Academy that year. It was by John Singer Sargent--one of his first royal commissions. (Queen Victoria had requested it). He apparently wasn't too pleased with it but I think it's a really charming portrait of Missy.

I recognize many of the photos from various books on Missy, including her autobiography (a must-read for any royalty lover) but have never seen the one of Alfred with his children. He seems to have spent so much time away from them and there aren't that many photos of him with any of his children--and even fewer when it's just him and not with his wife as well, such as in photos taken at the engagements/weddings of the various daughters.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 15, 2007, 12:57:00 AM
That is a nice one of Missy !  :) Too bad books on Sargent did not include this and the suprb one on the Duchess of Connaught... :(
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on December 15, 2007, 05:51:31 AM
the painting by Sir John Everett Millais,1882  :

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8650/400920ia0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8650/400920ia0.e6bebe204d.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=530&i=400920ia0.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on December 15, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
Sorry, that' who I meant, not Sargent.  :-[

The portrait is still in the possession of the Royal Collection.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on February 14, 2008, 09:49:05 AM
This has to be one of the best pictures ever taken of her imo :-)

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/421/2314131398clipboard02ox4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2008, 08:33:09 AM
This has to be one of the best pictures ever taken of her imo :-)

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/421/2314131398clipboard02ox4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Is this from the new Mandache book?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on May 10, 2008, 10:09:13 AM

Is this from the new Mandache book?

Yes you can find this pic in Dr. Diana Mandache's album.
But i didn't scan the book, i found it online :-)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2008, 05:15:28 PM
I was just curious as I'd  been thinking about buying the book.  :) I've seen some of the photos online but I already own a lot of them. This was new however--I'm trying to decide on whether there are enough  new ones to warrant the cost.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ArchDss Louise-Henriette on May 10, 2008, 08:46:02 PM
Missy in Romanian costume
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5260/beautifulmissytg8.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: RogerV on June 07, 2008, 04:21:59 PM
The building that now houses the Maryhill Museum was originally intended to be Sam Hill's home.  Sam was a visionary, the motive force behind  construction of modern highways in Washington and Oregon, but also a bit of an eccentric.  The low wings on either side of the building visible in the above photo are in fact ramps.  Believe it or not, their purpose was to allow cars to actually drive through the main living room of the house!  Not too surprisingly Sam's wife flat-out refused to live in such a remote location, preferring upper-crust society of the US Northeast, and the building was never completed as a residence.

I believe it was at Marie's suggestion that Sam decided to turn it into an art museum.  The museum was dedicated in the 1920's but didn't actually open for business until the 1940's.  There is conjecture that Sam and Marie were more than just "Friends."

I strongly encourage anyone traveling through the Columbia River Gorge (usually on Interstate 84 on the Oregon side) to visit the museum.  In addition to its collections it is in a spectacular location, giving incredible views of the Columbia River Gorge, and winds sometimes strong enough to almost knock you off your feet.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on June 10, 2008, 09:24:26 AM
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/43/marie127tg5.jpg)

"And if she had seen my two little Queen-daughters standing beside me would she have been pleased?
Grand-Mama Queen, would you have been pleased?"

-AT GRANDMA'S  COURT
by Marie Queen of Roumania
http://www.tkinter.smig.net/QueenMarie/GrandmasCourt/index.htm
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Luc on June 28, 2008, 10:46:05 AM
the painting by Sir John Everett Millais,1882  :

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8650/400920ia0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8650/400920ia0.e6bebe204d.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=530&i=400920ia0.jpg)



I suppose this picture of Missy is in Osborne House, queen Victoria's retreat on the Isle of Wight, in the drawing room.

Does anyone have a picture of Missy in her wedding dress? I read she was a beautiful bride  :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 28, 2008, 11:19:02 AM
there are several different poses taken of Missy in her wedding gown. One is in "The Last Romantic," in a frame Nando kept on his desk. 

They are posted throughout the forum. I havent got time to scan right now...but here is one i have on my computer, lifted from here probably.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/2060660320103282805zbSlLq_ph.jpg)



I know ella has some more.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on June 28, 2008, 11:25:16 AM
Quote
I suppose this picture of Missy is in Osborne House, queen Victoria's retreat on the Isle of Wight, in the drawing room.

Does anyone have a picture of Missy in her wedding dress? I read she was a beautiful bride  Smiley


She looked very pretty but sad.

(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9151/mireasafrumoasavm2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on July 01, 2008, 04:01:11 PM
One more doubt...

This is a picture of duke Alfred in Venice with one of his four daughters. It seems to me that the girl is Marie, Missy. What do you think?

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/DukeAlfredandhisdaughter.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 01, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
I think she looks more like Baby Bee. What a nice photo !!!  ::) Where did you find it ! Excellent find !
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2008, 08:56:16 PM
I think it is probably Missy based on the respective ages when Duke Alfred passed away.

As to the wedding vs coming-of-age dress--I got out my poscards. One of them had a date of '1907' and almost all of them had her 'maiden name' of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha rather than her married name.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on July 02, 2008, 02:02:50 AM
One more doubt...

This is a picture of duke Alfred in Venice with one of his four daughters. It seems to me that the girl is Marie, Missy. What do you think?


That's Missy more likely, she once had a vacation in the end of the 1890s when she spent 2 weeks (?) with her father.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on July 02, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
I think she looks more like Baby Bee. What a nice photo !!!  ::) Where did you find it ! Excellent find !

I don´t remember, Eric. But I´m sure about one thing: I did find it in the net...If I´m not wrong, the picture was one of the pictures in the private album of Victoria Melita. I think it is a captivating shot of duke Alfred and...¿Missy, Bee?...one of the two girls. I have tried to obtain a detail of the picture for all of you to judge about the lady´s identity ;)

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm243/Gallaeciafulget/Detail.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on July 02, 2008, 12:11:25 PM
BTW, the same day I did find this picture, I find also a few more. There´s one pic of a fascinating woman, with a wonderful hat and good clothes, standing in the snow. I suppose she has to be closely related to Victoria Melita, since she appeared in her private album, but I haven´t any idea about who could be the misterious "lady of winter". I would be pleased posting the pic, but I don´t know if I must to do it...this is, after all, a thread about Marie of Romania, not about misterious ladies of winter...

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2008, 12:17:05 PM
Are we sure that's Duke Alfred? The moustache isn't the type that Alfred wore, he had a beard and his face was much fuller by the end of his life.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on July 02, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
Are we sure that's Duke Alfred? The moustache isn't the type that Alfred wore, he had a beard and his face was much fuller by the end of his life.

One more time...I don´t know ;) The caption in the picture stated: "Duke Alfred and one of his daughters at San Marcos Piazza, Venetia".
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on July 02, 2008, 12:44:25 PM
That's Missy :-) lovely image
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Luc on July 02, 2008, 12:58:46 PM
Thank you for the clearness, Laurra  :)

Does any clothes of Missy remain today ?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: grandduchessella on July 02, 2008, 04:53:31 PM
Are we sure that's Duke Alfred? The moustache isn't the type that Alfred wore, he had a beard and his face was much fuller by the end of his life.

One more time...I don´t know ;) The caption in the picture stated: "Duke Alfred and one of his daughters at San Marcos Piazza, Venetia".

I looked at the site and they have another photo of a man who looks like this one marked as Alfred and it's obviously not him--in the 2nd photo. I think the misidentified man and this one might be the same. The site owner also mentions the AP discussion of his/her photos and asks for any help in identifications or corrections.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilios on July 06, 2008, 06:29:22 AM
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/203/3294763uo9.jpg)

marie's funeral pic.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Luc on July 06, 2008, 07:04:28 AM
Thank you Ilios! It's great  :) Do you know who are the women in black ?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Rachael89 on July 06, 2008, 07:29:07 AM
I think Ilena is towards the back and the lady in black in front of her is either Elizabeth or Mignon, though I would guess Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2008, 10:09:41 AM
I think Ileana is out of the picture. Prince (King) Michael is the last, Mignon, Elisabetta, Carol...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on July 06, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
I think Ileana is out of the picture. Prince (King) Michael is the last, Mignon, Elisabetta, Carol...

Ileana is not out. She is at back in black and her husband Archduke Anton is by her side.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on July 06, 2008, 12:16:19 PM
(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3512/100743003pl4.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on July 06, 2008, 01:07:15 PM
Great photo, Laurra! The year is 1937 ?
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilios on July 06, 2008, 06:59:50 PM
About funeral pic:

It seems, Carol shocked in some ways, Nicholas crying like a little boy with full of regrets, Elisabeth seems doesn't care at all, Ileana seems tough and finally Michael looking like how a grandson looks after his grandmother's funeral...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 06, 2008, 07:39:16 PM
Where was Mignon ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on July 07, 2008, 03:06:18 AM
Great photo, Laurra! The year is 1937 ?

Yes, indeed -1937. She looked so peaceful and serene.

Mignon was there, just not in this picture.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilios on July 07, 2008, 01:06:38 PM
(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8467/3294714xd1.jpg)

another family picture...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: ilios on July 07, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
(http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6707/2180694591eeb163906foe8.jpg)

(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/4634/2181482330deba4a8b1flj1.jpg)

(http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2682/49344559587ebc453a0yz7.jpg)

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6825/476447376d7d848f983wm7.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Rachael89 on July 07, 2008, 02:04:42 PM
Thos are wonderful photos! I especially love the first one of Missy with the photo of Q. Victoria, it's lovely.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on August 15, 2008, 01:14:06 AM
I've came across an interesting note in a new edition of the journals of Anna Fedorovna Tyutcheva - she is famous for her journals about the life at the Russian Imperial court in the 1850-1860s years,she was a maid-of-honour of Empress Maria Alexandrovna and a governess of her children Maria and Sergei. This new edition of her journals (the previous were just extracts from the most interesting years ) contains writings of 1876.

Well, Anna Fedorovna describes children of her former pupil GDss Maria Alexandrovna, Prince Alfred and Princess Marie of Edinburgh (future Marie of Romania as you see) and she says about baby Missy (just a year old): "She looks a beauty though she has a hard and steel eye..also her features are bloodless and she is definitely not long for this world..."

If only Anna Fedorovna knew the future destiny of this steel-eyed Princess...

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2008, 10:17:07 PM
Are the memoirs now published ?  ???
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on August 18, 2008, 12:51:26 AM
Are the memoirs now published ?  ???

Yes, I had said about NEW edition. In Russian of course.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 18, 2008, 11:12:10 AM
Marie, bringing the tiara of sapphires of the Grand Duchess Wladimir:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/rumania-m11.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Marie621.jpg)

(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/r111.jpg)

Dreamer:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/r41.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 18, 2008, 11:14:35 AM
Beautiful Marie:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/mariarumania2pm61.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/mariarumaniagw41.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 18, 2008, 11:32:17 AM
Stunning!! Pic # 3 is one of my all time favourites! Thank you Alexandre64  :-*
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 19, 2008, 04:06:46 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missyreinaensueo1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missysentada1.jpg)

The family:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/RoyalFamily31.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mari on September 19, 2008, 04:58:55 AM
Absolutely beautiful pictures! The Tiara's are large in some of these photographs and Unusual!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 19, 2008, 08:29:33 AM
Marie wears a white fur:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missyinblackandwhitesogorgeous1.jpg)

(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/MissyFirstPhotoinRoumania-11.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missyfashiontotaldetalle1.jpg)


Marie uniformed nurse, 1917:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/MarieRedCross1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on September 19, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
Great!!
These are my faves...

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MISSY/Missyandhat.jpg)

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MISSY/Missypic.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Yseult on September 19, 2008, 10:17:37 AM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MISSY/LovelyMissy.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 19, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Marie361.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/MarieinUSA1.jpg)

(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Marie1131.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Marie86b1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 19, 2008, 01:54:45 PM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/mariaofrumaniainbighat1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/GorgeousMissy-11.jpg)

Marie, Ferdinand, and King George and Queen Mary:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/GeorgeVMayNandoandMissy1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 19, 2008, 03:34:48 PM
LOL!

Great pixs! :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 20, 2008, 06:13:11 AM

(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/rumania-m1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/r121.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 20, 2008, 06:01:41 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Together/2834976677_2cafe45f9f_o.jpg)

Missy with her sisters Bee, Ducky and Sandra.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 20, 2008, 06:32:54 PM
Personally I think their lives are more interesting than their cousins from Hesse...I
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 20, 2008, 07:13:00 PM
I agree.  :)  I found Irene and Victoria boring, Alix too serious and a bit crazy. Ella is my favorite. The Edinburgh girls are interesting and Marie is a good role model for young woman, which i do find her to be.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 21, 2008, 02:06:28 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/r31.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/r71.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 22, 2008, 06:37:34 AM
Great pictures Alexandre64 and Yseult. Thank you. I especially like the ones where she's wearing her amazing hats!!  ;)

Here's another lovely image from 1904  :)

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1529/mariemignonse6.png) (http://imageshack.us)

Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 22, 2008, 01:45:51 PM
Lovely image of her and Mignon. Hate to say it but they are better than the recent photo book on Missy...
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on September 22, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
I thought some of the pics in the Rosval book are quite common. Still a gorgeous album and a must have for those who like Queen Marie.
I think the picture above will be included in the Romanian version of the album, I have a suspicion   ;) :)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 22, 2008, 04:33:53 PM
Very nice, Laurra!

Missy, colored by me.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/marieofromania92108.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Luc on September 30, 2008, 07:21:54 AM
http://www.royal-magazin.de/romania/index.htm

Who are the other ladies at this photo at the bottom of the page ? I can only recognize Missy (standing left) and Elisabetha (sitting at the left). Any help would be appreciated !!!
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Svetabel on September 30, 2008, 07:59:42 AM
http://www.royal-magazin.de/romania/index.htm

Who are the other ladies at this photo at the bottom of the page ? I can only recognize Missy (standing left) and Elisabetha (sitting at the left). Any help would be appreciated !!!

Infanta Beatrice at back, by Marie's side (her sister Baby Bee). Princess Ileana (youngest daughter of Marie) is leaning on Elisabetha's lap.
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Luc on September 30, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
Thanks a lot for your help ! Is the woman sitting to the right of Ileana her sister Mignon ? And at what occasion was this made ?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 30, 2008, 12:23:12 PM
The coronation of Ferdinand & Marie. It was Missy & Baby Bee plus all of Missy's daughters.
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Post by: guinevere on October 08, 2008, 11:39:31 AM
Yesterday I passed by a Video on Youtube with the Name :

Familiile regala romana si imperiala rusa la Constanta, 1914

First it shows some Landscape of Constanta but then it shows in excellent Quality ( !!! 1914 !!!) the Arrival of the Imperial Family NAOTMAA by Ship and their Greeting with the Romanian royal Family.
 
For me its a jewel, so I like to let you know :-)))

guinevere
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Laura_ on October 29, 2008, 09:27:45 AM
29 October 2008- On this day  in 1875  Marie of Edinburgh, queen of Romania (d. 1938)  was born at Eastwell Park in Kent, the eldest daughter of Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh and Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia.

(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3074/copy2of28848347865ccce6wy6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: imperial angel on November 10, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
there are several different poses taken of Missy in her wedding gown. One is in "The Last Romantic," in a frame Nando kept on his desk. 

They are posted throughout the forum. I havent got time to scan right now...but here is one i have on my computer, lifted from here probably.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/2060660320103282805zbSlLq_ph.jpg)



I know ella has some more.

Is this the same necklace (cross one) that is also seen in her aunt Beatrice's wedding pictures? Or is it a different necklace? Do any of those cross necklaces survive today? The necklace Marie is wearing looks alot like Beatrice's.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2008, 12:46:02 PM
It should be lost in russia with the rest of Missy's jewels...
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Post by: Laura_ on November 11, 2008, 12:57:34 PM
She never regretted them too much tho  :)

I think it's a very similar necklace, not the same.

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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 11, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
Well...She did. As most of them had sentimental value (one tiara was given to her by her father, Duke of Edinburgh).

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Post by: imperial angel on November 11, 2008, 07:47:10 PM
It should be lost in russia with the rest of Missy's jewels...

Can you explain what happened with Missy's jewels again? I can't recall (the lost in Russia part).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 12, 2008, 10:53:42 AM
Both Missy & VMH deposited their jewels in Russia for safe-keeping. When the Communist came to power in Russia, those jewels were seized and never seen again.
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Post by: Laura_ on December 16, 2008, 10:35:10 AM
Does anyone have a larger version of this pic ? I'd love to see that hat properly
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3316/123fo4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 17, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/14kw2gg.jpg)
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Post by: Laura_ on January 07, 2009, 11:04:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQhDo_IJs8A

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Post by: Linnea on January 10, 2009, 12:04:52 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/14kw2gg.jpg)
CP Wilhelm of Prussia, Queen Elisabeth, Prince Karl of Sigmaringen (Ferdinand's younger brother, the one Marie thought handsome, but vain in her memoires), CP Marie, Prince Nicholas, CP Ferdinand, Princess Marie jr., Prince Carol, ?
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 10, 2009, 12:12:39 PM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1h1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1Marie41.jpg)
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 11, 2009, 10:15:03 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1Marie141.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1za1.jpg)
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 12, 2009, 09:00:52 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1zh1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1Marie81.jpg)
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 13, 2009, 10:35:05 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/1Marie131.jpg)
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 14, 2009, 02:38:07 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Mariejewels41.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Alexandre64 on January 14, 2009, 11:29:59 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missysoleil1.jpg)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/Missyandhat21.jpg)
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 15, 2009, 02:31:06 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/NandoandMariefirstmarriedpicture1.jpg)

Marie and Sister:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Roumanie%20et%20Grece/MissyDuckyandBee1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 15, 2009, 07:02:50 PM
(http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3681/m9499rc5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

With Mignon

(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1361/m9330fa0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 16, 2009, 09:07:47 AM
Looking at the second photo I could understand why Missy sent Mignon to a fat farm. She was getting more heavy than her mother.
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Post by: Luc on January 16, 2009, 10:16:40 AM
Would that have been taken before Mignons marriage ?
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Post by: Luc on January 17, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
Does anyone know what happened to the dress Marie wore at Nicholas and Alexandra's coronation in 1896 ?
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Post by: Laura_ on January 17, 2009, 02:36:23 PM
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5713/90076290eakt1.th.jpg) (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90076290eakt1.jpg)(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9740/90076226mjre3.th.jpg) (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90076226mjre3.jpg)(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5473/img2502vy4.th.jpg) (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2502vy4.jpg)(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9626/230134807112a83fbafowj3.th.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=230134807112a83fbafowj3.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 17, 2009, 09:37:21 PM
Missy's description of her dress:

"I had dresses of all colors. However, the garments with which I had most success were the gown and the long cloak given to me as a present by Queen Carmen Sylva. The poetess-queen, inspired by my young age, my fair hair and my blue eyes had decided to make me a real fairy tale princess. Therefore she ordered a royal gown and a cloak that were both embroidered with rose petals. Even the veil I was wearing beneath my diamond crown had rose petals on it. This dress which had been made in a Romanian tailor's shop fitted me very well and I was as proud as possible at how admired I was," the queen wrote."
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Post by: Luc on January 18, 2009, 04:51:18 AM
Thank you Marie of Romania for your amazing photos & GDella for the info  :)  I have only one question: when we have a look at the group photo of the Edinburgh family , which of the two dresses is Missy wearing ?
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Post by: slavona on January 18, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
Does anyone knows where I can read Missy`s will?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 18, 2009, 04:45:39 PM
No idea...maybe the Archiev in Romania ?
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Post by: Alexandre64 on January 30, 2009, 07:14:04 AM
Marie and husband:
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/NandoandMissyfancydress1.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 30, 2009, 09:47:36 AM
Clothes around the time of Charles I and Henrietta Maria...
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Post by: Laura_ on January 31, 2009, 06:50:09 PM
some videos from youtube! !she was such a lovely lady  :)It's so great to see her in films like these and not only in photos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O05SgEUAgrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-rzqiUL2I8&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1COOKNxL3jI&feature=related

Thank you so much storicus for posting these on youtube! You made my day!!
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Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
some videos from youtube! !she was such a lovely lady  :)It's so great to see her in films like these and not only in photos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O05SgEUAgrA



That's great. If the voice is hers then it's really nice.
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Post by: Alexandre64 on February 18, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/England/mw715491.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Marie of Romania
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 18, 2009, 10:52:39 AM
I think this photo was taken in England when she came over for the coronation of her Uncle Bertie.
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Post by: Alexandre64 on March 02, 2009, 06:47:15 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Photo/516511456_11af9866d7_o1.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 02, 2009, 09:32:48 AM
Marie and Ileana

(http://i43.tinypic.com/11ty6gl.jpg)
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Post by: Svetabel on March 02, 2009, 12:18:14 PM
One of the rare photos of Queen Marie with a cigarette. As well as in a pilot's "uniform"  : )
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Post by: KarlandZita on January 31, 2010, 09:44:26 AM
Marie :

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Various%20Royals/Romanian%20Royalty/kpzlairumanien.jpg)