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Title: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Architecture_Nut on March 08, 2006, 10:43:49 PM
Does anyone have images of Tsarskoe Tselo immediately after German occupation in the Second World War? I am very interested in architectural preservation, and I was stunned when I read that the palaces were heavily damaged in the war.  I understand that the palaces were left in a poor state, yet I have never seen pics of them damaged.  Any photos or information would really be appreciated! Thank you for your time.

-Steve
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Ortino on March 10, 2006, 02:39:03 PM
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Does anyone have images of Tsarskoe Tselo immediately after German occupation in the Second World War? I am very interested in architectural preservation, and I was stunned when I read that the palaces were heavily damaged in the war.  I understand that the palaces were left in a poor state, yet I have never seen pics of them damaged.  Any photos or information would really be appreciated! Thank you for your time.

-Steve


The Catherine Palace was completely gutted by the Germans and suffered greatly from a fire that took place when the Germans were retreating. The Alexander Palace was also stripped of much of its interior decoration (particularly,from what I remember, by Germans searching for jewelry and hidden treasures) and several smaller rooms were eliminated, like the Empress' dressing room and bathroom. These sad facts would explain its present configuration and condition.

Here are some pictures of the condition of the Catherine Palace post World War II:

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/927/granhall9fx.jpg)
(http://www.steveberry.org/images/dir/web6.jpg)
http://www.exmsft.com/~davidco/Travel/Russia/pages/p3c5%20oof%20selo%20back%20x5%20IMG_7907%20restore%20IMG_7812%20fixed.htm
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Architecture_Nut on March 10, 2006, 07:55:58 PM
Thanks! My god that last pic (with the link) is terrible to look at.  I'm a bit confused though... today, are the unrestored rooms in the palace just brick shells?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Ortino on March 10, 2006, 10:54:23 PM
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Thanks! My god that last pic (with the link) is terrible to look at.  I'm a bit confused though... today, are the unrestored rooms in the palace just brick shells?


The outside of the Catherine Palace has been restored to resemble its original state and I'm sure that the currently unrestored rooms inside are either blank, white rooms or perhaps have fragments of original decoration--with such extensive damage, I'm sure they would have little if anything to work with.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: RogerV on September 01, 2006, 04:47:06 PM
German forces invading Russia during World War II had orders to destroy anything they could find that had to do with Russian culture or history.  Conseqently, much of the damage to the palaces and other structures was intentional.  A great many valuables were evacuated before the Germans arrived, but much had to be left behind.

Probably the best description of how what appeared to be hopeless destruction was in fact restored can be found in Suzanne Massie's Pavlovsk: The Life of a Russian Palace.  Pavlovosk was the first palace to be restored, and the methods learned in the process have been applied to many other restorations.

The book also recounts the life of a heroic Russian woman who survived the seige of Leningrad and went on to lead the restoration process.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: BobAtchison on October 26, 2006, 12:08:13 AM
I just got an original German picture of Livadia during the war.  It's a view from the hill so you can see everything.  I'll put it up next week.

Bob
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Joanna on August 15, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
Photograph of Peterhof c1941:
http://www.peter-engelhardt.com/wolchow/htm/wolchow3.html

Can anyone identify the building?

Another of Catherine Palace by the same photographer c1941-44:
http://www.peter-engelhardt.com/wolchow/htm/wolchow73.html

Joanna

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Valmont on August 15, 2008, 01:31:13 PM

The caption of the photo in the last link reads "The Catharine Palace in Tsarkoe Selo before the destruction by Soviet Artillery"... I thought that only the germans had done damage to the palaces, but it makes sense to me that the Russians, who did not care for anything related to the IF, plus the fact the germans were there, also did some damage to the palaces...

Arturo Vega-Llausás
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 15, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
If that was so, Valomnt, why did the Soviets  spend to much effort to preserve the Imperial Heritage as part of the country's  patrimony and so much time, scarce money and effort to restore the palaces after the war destruction? Even the Siege of Leningrad Memorial  came way after those tasks were accomplished.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Michael HR on August 16, 2008, 06:08:21 AM
I agree with Robert. The Soviets did much to preserve rather than distroy. Without them there would perhaps be almost nothing left now for us to see. They rebuilt Pavlosk and the Catherine Place ands no doubt much more. Odd as it may seem we owe then a thank you
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Cathy on August 16, 2008, 06:31:44 AM
It is absolutely impossible to describe the devastation to the palaces and park surrounding Leningrad during the war. A few pictures will not be enough also. The palaces (except Oranienbaum) were completely destroyed (during the occupation the Germans used most rooms a toilets, most walls for target practice and even boarded their horses. As they retreated they bombed and burned everything in site). All the park statues were destroyed. The parks themselves were mined. The towns were destroyed. Not many people remained and those that did were home less. In Pavlovsk for example only one house in the town remained standing.

The Russian artillery had to fire on their own palaces and towns in order to defeat the Germans (it broke their hearts to do so).

If it had not been for the foresight of the Russian people to hide what they could and to transport out of Leningrad and the surrounding areas as much of their historical treasures as was humanly possible, there would be nothing left today.

If it had not been for the courage and pride of the Russian people to go out everyday to clean up after the destruction, there would be nothing left today. Women, voluntarily, would walk the park grounds to find the mines - at least one died every day in the grounds of Pavlovsk. And they cleared rubble from the Catherine Palace, the AP, Peterhof, Pavlovsk and many more every day for years saving anything that could be restored and anything that could be used as an example to create a new copy.

If it had not been for the many many Russian people who learned the restoration techniques of the old masters and then dedicated their whole lives to the painstakingly restoration work, there would be nothing left today.

A very good book to read is "Saving The Tsars' Palaces" by Christopher Morgan and Irina Orlova, 2005.

My heroes are Anna Zelenova and Anatoli Kuchumov but there are thousands more, even today.

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Michael HR on August 16, 2008, 06:49:56 AM
That was beautifully said if I may say so
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Robert_Hall on August 16, 2008, 08:36:04 AM
Excellent book, Cathy. I have been suggesting it to anyone interested in the subject since I read it 3 years ago. The restorations & recreations are nothing less than miraculous. Gatchina & Oranienbaum  need work and progress has been slow, but is picking up now. Many of the park statues were actually buried, if they could not be moved.  It is a testament to the people of Leningrad that they so much effort whilst undergoing the siege.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: rgt9w on August 16, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
I think these have been posted elsewhere, but here are a few pics, but here are a few pics of Tsarskoye Selo palaces:

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2502299551

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2502299527

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2502299597

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2100754441

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2502299662

http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2001768106


http://photoarchive.spb.ru:9090/www/showObject.do?object=2001755410










Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: pastpalacelife on August 16, 2008, 05:01:53 PM
Does anyone know if any pictures exist of the Gestapo inside the palace?  Also I've wondered if Lenin ever looked around inside Alexander Palace.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Mari on August 16, 2008, 10:59:00 PM
These photographs really portray the horrible damage War brings. How sad!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Cathy on August 17, 2008, 10:53:32 AM
Thanks Michael HR for your kind words.

This is my passion.

Robert Hall in my haste I should have mentioned that it was the unburied statues that the Germans smashed - they did look for the buried statues and did find a few and destroyed them but most of the hidden statues were saved. A cute story - some people/palaces laboriously mapped every placement of every buried treasure; some people/palaces did not have the time to do the mapping. The lucky people after the war had an easier time unearthing the mapped statues. The unlucky people of the unmapped treasures had to dig everywhere to find them. Big holes!!

Kuchumov spent many years travelling throughout Russia and adjoining countries following the trails of lost and stolen treasures.

Gatchina today does not get the tourists that the Catherine Palace etc. do but it is being meticulously restored inside and does have lovely gardens. The park is open to the public. The town itself is rather uninspiring. But one day it will be a huge treasure as well.

I do not know if it was Getsapo in the AP but I do know that hundreds of SS are buried in the driveway/garden directly in front of the AP. I do not think that the bodies were moved elsewhere so they may still be under the gravel.

I do not know if Lenin was even in Tsarskoe Selo.

After the war there was a decree that found tenants for the mansions and palaces (during restoration and after) who would keep the buildings in reasonable repair and for the most part not destroy anything that remained. For example, rest homes and orphanages. Eventually, military moved into many.

Some places were never repaired and are lost forever.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Forum Admin on August 17, 2008, 11:16:06 AM
This will be gone into in detail in Bob's AP book. Part of the delay in finishing the book is that Bob has uncovered much recently about the War years and German occupation of TS and the AP,

The AP was not Gestapo, it was the SS hospital, which is why the dead were buried there, and it was the last building to be evacuated for obvious reasons, which is why it was mostly spared the same fate as the Catherine Palace.

I don't think Lenin ever set foot in the Palace.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Michael HR on August 17, 2008, 11:20:35 AM
Cannot wait for the book. Will buy it the movement it comes out
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: BobAtchison on August 17, 2008, 04:35:13 PM
I have around 100 original photographs of Gatchina, Peterhof, Livadia and Tsarskoe Selo during WWII and afterwards.  In Tsarskoe Selo I have many pictures of the pavilions and the great palace.  I only have 10-15 of the AP.  There are a few accounts in print of Germans in the palaces.

Susanne's book on Pavlosk is mavelous, but it does not tell the accurate story of what happened at the AP.  Suzanne must have misunderstood what Kuchumov said.  I have pictures that show the Imperial rooms on the lower floor on left side survived the war, they were a mess, but they were saved.

Peterhof and Tsarskoe Selo suffered differently during the war.  The Great Palace in Tsarskoe was not destroyed by the Germans, it was destroyed by Soviet shelling.  It happened over time.  The Great Hall's roof went first, then later further shelling and fires destroyed more.  For some time after the Germans captured it Peterhof was preserved and even had some furniture in it.  Later, Peterhof was totally destroyed by shelling from Kronstadt.  This shelling destroyed the English Palace and the Lower Palace.  It heaviliy damaged the Peterhof Cathedral.  I have many pictures of this.  The palaces were used the the Germans or they were indifferent to them.  Is it surprizing that German soldiers seemed to have no appreciation for the palaces?  Well, Americans soldiers did severe damage to Babylon and the great minarets of Samara during the Irag war.

As to the Russian palaces, German and Spanish soldiers went in and out of them - except for the AP, which was occupied by the dreaded SS.  No average German soldier could go in there.  There were no 'tours'. There are few pictures when they were there and I don't have any.  I have lots showing what the Russians found when they recaptured Tsarskoe.

WWII was a terrible awful conflict, which brought on the worst in everyone.  The destruction was horrible.  Millions died.  The palaces were damaged because of the German invasion and they are responsible for what happened.  It is terrible what happened because of the Russian shelling, but perhaps the military reasons for it would make sense if I knew them.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Cathy on August 19, 2008, 07:30:24 AM
Bob I think that we are all standing in line to buy your book   :)

Have you ever seen a picture of the AP INTERIOR as a SS hospital?

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: BobAtchison on August 19, 2008, 09:07:02 AM
I have an old friend who has an album of pictures including some of the interior of the palace during the war.  I have not seen the pictures for a long time. I hope I can find a couple on my own, too.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Vladimir_V. on September 02, 2008, 11:00:26 AM
I've wondered if Lenin ever looked around inside Alexander Palace.

Lenin visited Tsarskoe Selo many times. But he has never been in the AP. I think he hated AIII/NII palaces.
As you know, Alexander III killed Lenin`s brother in 1887. And since 1887 Lenin`s goal was the liquidation of the monarchy in Russia.

Well known that Stalin visited Monplezir in Peterhof and Lower Palace.

Bush visited Peterhof Palace, Monplezir, Strelna Palace, Caterine Palace in Tsarskoe Selo. Lora Bush visited Pavlovsk.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: vladm on September 03, 2008, 12:20:00 PM
Bob, for my understanding German Archives post WWII open for public. If someone good enough in German language, he/she can do research and retrieve most of the documentation and photos related to Alexander Palace and Catherine Palace even online, some video archives available also online for free.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Robert_Hall on September 03, 2008, 12:42:55 PM
Thank you, Vladimir. I was pretty sure Lenin had come to TS at least once. We came accross a plaque on a wall in the village with his profile on it.  We dusted it off and  my friend translated it. It was about a speah he gave to the workers, I forget the date, and location.  but it not at the palaces, just a wall on what was probably one of the cadet academies.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Ivan Gurlov on January 16, 2009, 01:27:59 PM
But didn't Russian forces destroy the Amber Room housed in the Knights Hall in Konigsberg Castle sometime between 9th-15th April 1945?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 16, 2009, 01:37:53 PM
They did destroy the halll itself, but the theory is that the amber room itself had been evacuated before that.  See The Amber Room by  Levy  & Scott-Clark
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Cathy on January 17, 2009, 10:49:37 AM
It is just a theory! And I think that the book The Amber Room by Levy & Scott-Clark may be too sensationalized to sell the book and a little biased (imho) against Russia!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Ivan Gurlov on January 19, 2009, 01:08:42 PM
Just finished the Levy - Scott-Clark (did NOT like their writing style)- IMHO the fact that so many investigations have gone into looking for lost treasure from Catherine Palace and in particular the AR, with no real evidence or results - it would seem what the Nazi's took has gone forever....
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Robert_Hall on January 19, 2009, 01:46:37 PM
I will that the writing style does leave something to be desired. However, the fact remains that there is no one given answer to what happened to the original Amber Room.  Was it destroyed in  the bombing of  the castle? Was it  looted and carried off somewhere still unknown, like  a private collection or a mine? Was it lost at sea?
 One fact does remain,and that is- it it probably not anything that would be recognised now, as the original was.  It has no doubt disintegrated into cloudy blurred pieces. Without the care of proper curators and experts, it is gone.
 The recreation at the Catherine palace is a marvellous achievement in art and workmanship.  A tribute to the original masterpiece. IMO.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexander1917 on January 24, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
It's still a mysterious thing in the story of WWII.....
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Michael HR on January 24, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
The Nazi's have a lot to answer for, sadly.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexander1917 on January 24, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
and the mystery is not solved...where thos 19 boxes are....last year was a search...again....in saxony
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Nadezhda Edvardovna on September 21, 2009, 12:36:23 PM
I've tried to copy and paste this picture but failed.  It's an image of the waterfall facade of Peterhof showing the wartime damage superimposed upon a modern image.  Horrifying but also uplifting.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=2720

scroll down about 1/2 the page.

Pax et bonum,

Nadezhda
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Douglas on September 21, 2009, 06:13:10 PM
Deeply moving......haunting and very sobering.

There is a second page of photos also.

Douglas
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Clemence on August 19, 2011, 08:43:53 AM
Thanks Michael HR for your kind words.

This is my passion.

Robert Hall in my haste I should have mentioned that it was the unburied statues that the Germans smashed - they did look for the buried statues and did find a few and destroyed them but most of the hidden statues were saved. A cute story - some people/palaces laboriously mapped every placement of every buried treasure; some people/palaces did not have the time to do the mapping. The lucky people after the war had an easier time unearthing the mapped statues. The unlucky people of the unmapped treasures had to dig everywhere to find them. Big holes!!

Kuchumov spent many years travelling throughout Russia and adjoining countries following the trails of lost and stolen treasures.

Gatchina today does not get the tourists that the Catherine Palace etc. do but it is being meticulously restored inside and does have lovely gardens. The park is open to the public. The town itself is rather uninspiring. But one day it will be a huge treasure as well.

I do not know if it was Getsapo in the AP but I do know that hundreds of SS are buried in the driveway/garden directly in front of the AP. I do not think that the bodies were moved elsewhere so they may still be under the gravel.

I do not know if Lenin was even in Tsarskoe Selo.

After the war there was a decree that found tenants for the mansions and palaces (during restoration and after) who would keep the buildings in reasonable repair and for the most part not destroy anything that remained. For example, rest homes and orphanages. Eventually, military moved into many.

Some places were never repaired and are lost forever.


I just had to thank you for this wonderful post!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 12, 2013, 09:15:15 AM
Hello from a new comer;  I am a long time collector of WWII germany related photographs from Japan ( my website: http://www.history.jp/wehrmacht/ ).

Last August I had a chance to visit St. Petersburg, Catherine Palace included.  Impressive.  Awesome.  Incredible.  What a tragedy that the palace and other great history was lost, in addition to the huge loss of human lives.

Back in Tokyo, I checked my Agfacolor part of my collection to find Catherine Palace photos, because my collection focus is Heeresgruppe Nord (German army's army group north) and I knew I had something...

Bingo!  I thought that I post to revive this old thread.

So here's the then and now image: (http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalace.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 12, 2013, 10:55:15 PM
My image appears on the forum page in a shrinked size;  link is: http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalace.jpg (http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalace.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 12, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
It is difficult to get the correct white balance from a 70-year old Agfacolor slide, so the blue hue may or may not be correct to the original.  Thank you for understanding.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on September 14, 2013, 09:41:48 PM
The pictures taken by a german soldier in reply #6 need to put on the site Axishistoryforum where somebody help identify the vehicals and possibly locations ect.

Please note TS was just inside German lines from September 1941 to January 1944 so it would have been impossible for the town not to have received some damage from soviet artillery fire during this period.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 23, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
I am a bit disappointed by the lack of interest to my photo.  It is a color photo from 1941 and not a manually colored one.

Now I will add another color photo from 1941, this time inside - the ball room.

Then
(http://www.history.jp/images/Dia23.jpg)
http://www.history.jp/images/Dia23.jpg

Now
(http://www.history.jp/images/DP1M1130.jpg)
http://www.history.jp/images/DP1M1130.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 24, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
More black/white photos are found in my archive.  Here is a good view of a room you might want to see :-)

(http://www.history.jp/images/WalterRichter-pic01.jpg)

http://www.history.jp/images/WalterRichter-pic01.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: edubs31 on September 24, 2013, 11:13:55 AM
Good stuff Akira. Big and clear, and I was struck but the color in that 1941 photo. Always heartening to see the before and after photos of them palace being brought back to life.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 24, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
Can anybody identify the room shown above?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Katya_C on September 25, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
Can anybody identify the room shown above?

I believe that is the Chinese Hall, Catherine Palace. You can view a watercolor image of the room at http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=9058.msg254809#msg254809. There is also a b/w image at: http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ekat_dvor_zdan/Komnati/Kitaysk_zal/ist/P1000595.jpg with the description of Number 167. "Chinese room". Catherine Palace, by S.S. Bronshteyn.

Thank you for your WWII photo.

Katya
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 25, 2013, 05:59:24 PM
Thank you very much Katya, the Chinese room it must be!
Title: Re: Повреждение Войны царское село и Петерго&
Post by: lilianna on September 26, 2013, 04:32:02 AM
Really want to see photos of the palace during the Nazi occupation of the city. I want to see what the Germans did during the war and rejoice as we have restored their palaces!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: IvanVII on September 27, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
Great photos Akira. I would say that one matches the water color of the Chinese room to a T.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 27, 2013, 12:26:37 PM
A small summary of the chinese room's history : :-)

Drafts of the chinese room by Charles Cameron , architect of the empress Catherine II :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270709095012511588575.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270709095012511588575.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270709135012511588579.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270709135012511588579.jpg)

The chinese room in 1855 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270703155012511588561.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270703155012511588561.jpg)

The chinese room in 1878 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270703245012511588562.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270703245012511588562.jpg)

The chinese room during the WWII ( 1941 ? ) , before the fire of the palace... ( Thank you for this picture Akira Takiguchi !! )

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270708515012511588570.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270708515012511588570.jpg)

And the chinese room today ( 2004 ) , sorry for this bad picture ... :-(

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/27//1309270711115012511588599.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309270711115012511588599.jpg)

I hope we will see sometime  the revival of this fantastic room ...
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 27, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
Thank you Alexandre for the historical presentation of the Chinese room, I appreciate it!

I scanned a few more from my collection - the first two shows "outside" pictures of other buildings.

I noticed that I misread the name of the owner of the album in earlier picture, it should read Werner instead of Walter.


Chapel
(http://www.history.jp/images/CatherineChapel.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/CatherineChapel.jpg

The Cameron Gallery
(http://www.history.jp/images/CameronGallery.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/CameronGallery.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 27, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
Another interior picture.  Where is this?


(http://www.history.jp/images/Inside1.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/Inside1.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Katya_C on September 27, 2013, 08:21:03 PM
Another interior picture.  Where is this?


(http://www.history.jp/images/Inside1.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/Inside1.jpg

I believe it is The First Antechamber, Catherine Palace

"Passing the staircase, begins the Fourth Suite series of apartments, which consist of the Silver Dining Room, the Great Hall and three Antechambers."

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/2006tsarskoe/fourth_suite.html

Katya
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 28, 2013, 06:29:41 AM
Thank you again, Katya!

Next comes two pictures of the great hall.

(http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalaceGreatHall1.jpg)
Link to the orignal: http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalaceGreatHall1.jpg

There's no snow, so it must be a pre-winter period ( SS Polizei Division reached this region in September ).

(http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalaceGreatHall2.jpg)
Link to the orignal: http://www.history.jp/images/CatherinePalaceGreatHall2.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 28, 2013, 07:12:48 AM
This map from period publication of the army group north of german army shows the SS-Polizei-Division ( http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/PanzergrenadierdivisonenSS/4SSPGD.htm ) entering directly into Tsarskoe Selo area in September.

(http://www.history.jp/images/MapSep1941.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/MapSep1941.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Forum Admin on September 29, 2013, 12:05:41 PM
Our dear old friend Antonio sent me these photos of Tsarskoye Selo during World War 2.  They were taken by his grandfather who served in the Spanish "Blue Brigade" in Tsarskoye Selo during the war!  Many thanks Antonio!!

(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2a.jpg)

(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2b.jpg)
(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2c.jpg)
(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2d.jpg)

(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2e.jpg)
(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2f.jpg)

(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2g.jpg)

(http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/pics/TSinWW2h.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 29, 2013, 12:10:41 PM

Chapel
(http://www.history.jp/images/CatherineChapel.jpg)
Link to the original: http://www.history.jp/images/CatherineChapel.jpg


Dear Akira Takiguchi , it's not a chapel but the " Grotto pavilion " , built by the italian architect of the empress Elisabeth 1st : Bartolomeo Rastrelli .
It was a dining room and concert pavilion .

Destroyed by the Wermacht between 1941 and 1944 , it has been rebuilt and restored after the WWII except the exterior design of the roof and the dormers windows , more simple today :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290646085012511595749.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290646085012511595749.jpg) (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290647035012511595750.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290647035012511595750.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290647065012511595751.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290647065012511595751.jpg) (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290649175012511595758.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290649175012511595758.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 29, 2013, 12:22:09 PM
Thank you Admin for these incredibles and sad photos !!

I'm sad to see that ... German and spanish soldiers were barbarians !

Where is the third photo ?

And which is this train wagon ?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 29, 2013, 01:14:49 PM
Dear Akira Takiguchi , here is the chapel of the Catherine palace of Tsarskoïe Selo , rather called " The palace church " .

Built by Bartolomeo Rastrelli betweem 1752 and 1756 , the church suffered a lot during the WWII .
Today the palace church ( or chapel ) has not been restored .

The palace church of Tsarskoïe Selo in 1850-1860 , by the painters K.A.Ukhtomsky or E.Hau ( iconostasis wall ):

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290749135012511596004.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290749135012511596004.jpg)

The palace church of Tsarskoïe Selo in 1890 ( entrance wall with the antechapel on the back of the room ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290749385012511596006.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290749385012511596006.jpg)

The palace church of Tsarskoïe Selo during the WWII , probably 1941 : ( we see german soldiers )

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290751265012511596017.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290751265012511596017.png)

And the palace church of Tsarskoïe Selo today , not restored yet : iconostasis wall and entrance wall with antechapel for the small photo :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290749025012511596003.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290749025012511596003.jpg)    (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290748555012511596002.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290748555012511596002.jpg)

An icon of this iconostasis church ( today in the reserve of the museum ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290814505012511596127.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290814505012511596127.jpg)

The stairs of the Tsarskoïe Selo palace's church  , restored :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290814455012511596126.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290814455012511596126.jpg)

The entrance hall of the Tsarskoïe Selo palace church , restored too :

 (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/09/29//1309290815005012511596129.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1309290815005012511596129.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 29, 2013, 01:16:05 PM
I hope there is a project to restore this fabulous church ...!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Forum Admin on September 29, 2013, 04:08:20 PM
That train car was the one in which Nicholas abdicated, and then used to return to the Alexander Palace. 
Title: Re: Повреждение Войны царское село и Петерго&
Post by: lilianna on September 29, 2013, 10:50:36 PM
1. Church on the restoration. But ... want to make a plastic box (I read).
2. A big, big thank you for the photo during the war. For us, the Russian, it is particularly interesting. I call these photos MY ATLANTIS.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 30, 2013, 04:55:26 AM
Great photos from spanish "Blau" division!  It is interesting to see that the great hall has been (a bit) cleaned compared to 1941 photos.

Also thank you for the corrections, Alexandre!

I believe there are a lot more photos of these palaces out there.  I hope more will be posted!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: lilianna on September 30, 2013, 05:02:35 AM
We are looking for these photos, but they are very few. The Germans were driven out of all the people of the city. No one could take a photo. Only fascists.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 30, 2013, 06:25:18 AM
I know germans made a very good effort to record what happened there.  That's why we see even massacre photos.

So military collectors should have a lot of photos of these palaces taken by german photographers to offer.  Up until 1944.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 30, 2013, 09:48:25 AM
I returned home to check monthly map of Heeresgruppe Nord to find 250.Division (sp.) - Spanish division occupied this region from September 1942 until September 1943.  Thus the photos from Antonio were taken during this period.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 30, 2013, 10:17:19 AM
That train car was the one in which Nicholas abdicated, and then used to return to the Alexander Palace.  

Thanks dear Admin !!

The photos of the Alexandria Cottage in Peterhof are fabulous !

Do you know where is ( was ? ) the chimney of the third photo ?

Dear Akira Takiguchi , it's a pleasure :-) , your photos are fantastic , and thanks for this clarification about the dating of spanish photos.

Liliana I'm pleased to learn that the Catherine palace church are on restoration .
After the palace church of Pavlovsk and recently Peterhof , Tsarskoïe Selo will be maybe the next ;-D
The palace church of Gatchina need too a big restoration .

War damages on the imperial russian palaces will going to give lot of work for the future , in particular restoration of the Zubov wing's rooms .
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on September 30, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
Hello Alexandre,

The chimney is from the Lyon Drawing Room.

Regards,

Antonio
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on September 30, 2013, 11:51:52 PM
Dear Antonio, your grandfather survived the war, did he not?  Glad if he did, to leave these photos for us later generations.

Anyone, russian, german, spanish... must have had great luck to survive the hell of Leningrad...
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 01, 2013, 12:07:25 AM
Dear Akira,

He didn´t actually take these pics, the only ones he took back home were ones I don´t think are fit for posting. They were just a few portraying erotic pieces of furniture. Quite graphic I´m forced to admit. I keep them, but just in case they´ll be of any use in future. And yes, he survived the war, even despite of the truly frightful retreat. In any case he went them not as a soldier but just as a veterinary, so I guess he didn´t have to put up or even risk a lot!!

Regards,

Antonio
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 01, 2013, 02:28:15 AM
Hello Alexandre,

The chimney is from the Lyon Drawing Room.

Regards,

Antonio

Dear Antonio , Thank You very much !!! Yes it's the Lyon Drawing Room chimney , I didn't recognize it ;-)

This photo is very important for the future restoration of this room .

A small " slide show " like I love it .. ;-D

We see this chimney on these two documents :

The Lyon Drawing Room in 1878 ( called too the Lyons Hall or Yellow drawing room ) , by the painter Luigi Premazzi :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310010858375012511600329.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310010858375012511600329.jpg)

Autochrome of the Lyons Hall before the WWII ( probably 1931 ) : the colors of this photo are true !!

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310010858275012511600328.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310010858275012511600328.jpg)

The Lyons hall chimney during the WWII ( 1942-1943 probably , according Akira Takiguchi ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310010859415012511600332.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310010859415012511600332.jpg)

The Lyons Hall today , very sad room with the surviving items from its pre-war furnishings , but this room is waiting to be restored !! :-D

We recognize the surviving fire-screen of the chimney.
 
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310010858425012511600330.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310010858425012511600330.jpg)

I look forward to see this room once restored , retourned to its original splendour !...
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 01, 2013, 02:39:26 AM
Dear Alexandre,

Don´t worry, the originals are rather big for the time, pristine and full of details. I´m only trying to find a way to scan them properly, but they are infinitely better believe you me. And thank you for the kind remarks, its really my pleasure :-)

All the best,

Antonio

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 01, 2013, 03:10:03 AM
Dear Antonio , it's my pleasure too : these photos are a rare and precious treasure .

I would like to bring my humble contribution to this topic : it's an original photo stereoview I own ( bought in a secondhand market a few years ago in Bordeaux , France , where I live ) , dating probably between 1941-1944 .We can see the Peter-and-Paul cathedral of Peterhof , and in the foreground a ruined building , probably destroyed by bombing but i don't know what was it ..

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310011010415012511600462.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310011010415012511600462.jpg)

I'm sorry for the bad quality of this scan , the original is better  :-(
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 01, 2013, 03:30:59 AM
Dear Alexandre,

That picture has nothing humble about it, it´s actually great!! I have only one of that cathedral in peterhof but nothing of the surrounding area. And you know every single bit counts!! :-)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 01, 2013, 07:37:12 AM
Dear Antonio , it's my pleasure too : these photos are a rare and precious treasure .

I would like to bring my humble contribution to this topic : it's an original photo stereoview I own ( bought in a secondhand market a few years ago in Bordeaux , France , where I live ) , dating probably between 1941-1944 .We can see the Peter-and-Paul cathedral of Peterhof , and in the foreground a ruined building , probably destroyed by bombing but i don't know what was it ..

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/01//1310011010415012511600462.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310011010415012511600462.jpg)

I'm sorry for the bad quality of this scan , the original is better  :-(

That ruined building is what makes you pic you much interesting than mine. Mine is just a close up(an extremely good good, granted) of the cathedral. But yours, well, yours is just telling us a bit more. Give me yours anytime!!! :-) That is, unles we were talking about the AP.......
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Forum Admin on October 01, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
Autochrome of the Lyons Hall before the WWII ( probably 1931 ) : the colors of this photo are true !!


The Autochromes were taken in late summer 1917, not the 1930s.  Autochrome was a unique and early color photography process invented by Lumiere in the 1890s.  Never very popular because they were difficult to make and one could only make a single glass image without any way to reproduce it.  However, literally the day after the Imperial Family left for Tobolsk, Lukhomski realized the urgency to preserve the exact appearance of the palaces for the future.  He found the only person in Petrograd, Dr. Zahest, who could make Autochrome images and engaged him to the task.  It took Zahest several weeks to accumulate the needed chemicals and glass slides and then he photographed the Catherine Palace and Alexander Palace.  The long lost images of the AP were the ones returned last year to the Alexander Palace Museum.

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 01, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
Thank you very much dear Admin for these rectification and clear explication :-)

It's better if this photo is dated to 1917 !

Dear Antonio , we can see on my photo the onion domes of the cathedral are ruined : here you have a best and more big scan :

 "http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310010627095012511601513.jpg"

And here the link to the scan of the stereoview with high resolution ( click on the photo for that :-) ) :

"http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310011010415012511600462.jpg"
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 03, 2013, 07:14:58 AM
At the moment in sale on ebay ( Germany ) , a painting made in 1942 , which looks like my photo of Peterhof cathedral ! ( price 2500 € !! )

The painter is Willi Paupie , probably a german soldier ( born 1898 in Tschuschitz Lkr. Mährisch-Trübau - died 1986):

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/03//1310030200285012511607109.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310030200285012511607109.jpg)

The signature :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/03//1310030200335012511607110.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310030200335012511607110.jpg)

The link to ebay for a best resolution of this painting , and if you want buy it  :-) ( for me it's sadly too expensive ) :

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Willi-Paupie-Peterhof-Peter-und-Paul-Kathedrale-Sankt-Petersburg-Piter-Rusland-/110924827780?pt=Malerei&hash=item19d3a28c84

My stereoview photography shows the choir of the Peter-and-paul Peterhof cathedral , but this 1942 painting shows the cathedral's façade with the bell-tower I believe .
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on October 03, 2013, 05:38:46 PM
The back of Nicholas´ train interior is dated, or so it seems to me, 27/9/41. Maybe they took pictures of everything they deemed of interest. Who knows. The only thing I can say is that the pictures don´t come from a private collection, they were in some sort of archive at some point. I cannot read German, but they´re all stamped at the back "Militarisch und politisch unzensiert". Isn´t that akin to saying "Milira and Politically Uncensored" ??
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Rodney_G. on October 03, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
Ja. Da. Yes.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 04, 2013, 12:17:59 AM
they´re all stamped at the back "Militarisch und politisch unzensiert". Isn´t that akin to saying "Milira and Politically Uncensored" ??

Right.  These stamps are sometimes found in photo estates.  I have not been able to find the exact rule about this, but certainly these photos did not go through censoring process and passed to soldiers.  Also found as simply stamped "Unzensiert".

I will try to find out who occupied Peterhof area during 1941-1943 (unfortunately I don't have 1944 maps) this weekend.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 06, 2013, 09:31:19 AM
On the Heeresgruppe maps 250.Infanterie-Division was never around Peterhof area, but that does not mean Antonio's grandfather was never there.

Here is a nice picture of Peterhof cathedral from an album of soldier who belonged to Infanterie-Regiment 423 (212.Infanterie-Division).

(http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic01.jpg)

Link to the original picture: http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic01.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 06, 2013, 11:56:10 AM
Very interesting ! Thank You for this photo : we can see the onion bulbs are ruined , like on my stereoview .

Your photo shows us too the choir of the cathedral .

Which is the white building on right corner ? A church , a chapel ?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 06, 2013, 11:54:13 PM
Alexandre, I'll post another photo in a few days, which may answer your question.

The russian sign says "Do not walk on the lawn" (I tried to google translate it), is it correct?
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 07, 2013, 11:55:22 AM
Alexandre, I'll post another photo in a few days, which may answer your question.


I look forward to seeing that :-)


The russian sign says "Do not walk on the lawn" (I tried to google translate it), is it correct?

Yes it's correct : I think it's because there was a landmine all around the cathedral .

Another horrific photos of Peterhof  ( 1941 for the 1st , I don't know for the 2nd ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/07//1310070659105012511619571.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310070659105012511619571.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/07//1310070658295012511619569.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310070658295012511619569.jpg)

I think the building on the left corner here is the same on the right corner of the Akira Takiguchi's photo : it looks like a small chapel ( ?? ).
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Rodney_G. on October 07, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Amazing, horrific photos, indeed, Akira. Sad and compelling too.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 08, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
Alexandre, impressive pictures!  How I wish I knew more about these Russian architectures!  I'm on the learning process here.

Here is "the other photo" on the same page from the I.R.423 album.  Can you tell what is this?

(http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic02.jpg)

Link to the original picture: http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic02.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 08, 2013, 01:16:10 PM
Beautiful church !! But I don't know where is it .. :-(

Probably an orthodox eighteenth century church , maybe a parish church of the town of Peterhof or inner suburbs.

We can see impacts of mortar shell on this church :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/08//1310080758225012511622594.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310080758225012511622594.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 09, 2013, 09:10:58 AM
Thanks again Alexandre.

Here goes one from the same album, really badly damaged Peterhof palace.

(http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic03.jpg)

Link to the original picture: http://www.history.jp/images/IR423-pic03.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 09, 2013, 02:39:35 PM

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/07//1310070658295012511619569.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310070658295012511619569.jpg)


To complete the previous photo , another with two german soldiers looking the same soviet tank . I was not sure but now I know : these two photos date back to 1941 .

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722325012511625437.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722325012511625437.jpg)

Dear Akira Takiguchi , Thanks for this sad photo of the Peterhof Great Palace .. :-(

Anothers photos of Peterhof Palace to complete yours :

Winter 1941 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090723195012511625448.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090723195012511625448.jpg)

Spring or summer 1943 ( with german and spanish officers and soldiers ? ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722375012511625438.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722375012511625438.jpg)

Year 1944 , exteriors of the palace :

( Spring , summer or autumn )

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090723135012511625447.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090723135012511625447.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722435012511625440.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722435012511625440.jpg)

( Winter , I think It's russian soldiers on the foreground , insn't it ? )

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722565012511625442.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722565012511625442.jpg)

In the foreground we can see barbed wire , because there are probably landmines :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722475012511625441.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722475012511625441.jpg)

Here the baltic canal in 1944 , with the Samson statue plinth ...without Samson :-( :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090722405012511625439.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090722405012511625439.jpg)

Year 1944 , interiors of the palace :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090723015012511625443.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090723015012511625443.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090723105012511625446.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090723105012511625446.jpg) (http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090723055012511625444.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090723055012511625444.jpg)

These 2 last photos show us the throne room , the stucco decor is the same :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/09//1310090941415012511625993.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310090941415012511625993.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 15, 2013, 08:51:24 AM
Hello Alexandre, great (and sad) set of images;  how I wish I could see the palaces in its original form!

I have checked my large group of color slides that stems from a Leutnant in 212.Infanterie-Division to find a Peterhof cathedral image.  I hope you enjoy this.

(http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f14.jpg)

Link to the original picture: http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f14.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 15, 2013, 12:47:43 PM
Thank you for this photo !! In real color , it's very moving :-)

We can see again the ruined onion bulbs of the cathedral , and broken windows .

The Peterhof cathedral Saint-Peter-and-Paul just before the war :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150749185012511643007.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150749185012511643007.png)

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on October 15, 2013, 01:24:58 PM
And anothers photos of the Peterhof great palace between 1941 and 1944 :

1941 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150750565012511643017.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150750565012511643017.jpg)

1941 or 1942 : Here a very rare photo showing the ruined great palace before the statue of Samson's theft by the Wermacht ( which was never recovered : today the Samson statue is a post-war copy ) :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751145012511643021.gif) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751145012511643021.gif)

Autumn 1943 :

Here we can see a german officer ( right side ) .

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751245012511643022.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751245012511643022.jpg)

Winter 1943 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751335012511643025.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751335012511643025.jpg)

1944 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751065012511643019.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751065012511643019.jpg)

Winter 1944 , the back of the great palace , with russian soldiers -

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751305012511643024.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751305012511643024.jpg)

Russian soldiers on horses -

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751265012511643023.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751265012511643023.jpg)

And this photo , probably taken in spring 1945 : we can see russian soldiers ( ? ) unearthing a marble statue :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150751135012511643020.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150751135012511643020.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 16, 2013, 09:39:01 AM
Thank you for the many images that will help my future acquisition :-)

Unfortunately no images of Samson statue is in Eugen Kastner's estate, but instead, I can show you the Poseidon (and the palace itself) in winter 1941/42.

(http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f11.jpg)

Link to the original image: http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f11.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 16, 2013, 07:43:45 PM
The Peterhof pictures were probably taken in April 1941, when 212th replaced the predecessor in Peterhof area.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 16, 2013, 08:50:22 PM
Oops, April 1942...
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: edubs31 on October 17, 2013, 10:31:35 AM
Color too! Impressive quality there. Thanks Akira!
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on October 18, 2013, 07:22:28 PM
Apparently the painting shown in http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=6503.msg528564#msg528564 was drawn nearby.

Again from the estate of Herrn Kastner.

(http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f27.jpg)

Link to the original picture: http://www.history.jp/images/EugenKastner-f27.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on November 10, 2013, 06:54:25 AM
Today I found a picture from my aerial photograph collection - Puschkin.

This photo is dated May 13, 1943.  What interested me is that roof of the main part of the Catherine Palace is mostly gone, while the rest appears relatively intact.

(http://www.history.jp/images/3021-031-Teil-a.jpg)

Link to the original image: http://www.history.jp/images/3021-031-Teil-a.jpg
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on November 14, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
Thank you dear Akira Takiguchi for this fantastic but sad photo !

And a Great Thanks to Antonio Caballero for this :

http://eng.tzar.ru/info/info-events/title/?id=3247

The photography of the palace Church ceiling is fantastic for the future restoration , and the photography of the Lyons Hall's chimney too !!! :-D





Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Inok Nikolai on November 14, 2013, 04:47:45 PM
Thank you for this photo !! In real color , it's very moving :-)

We can see again the ruined onion bulbs of the cathedral , and broken windows .

The Peterhof cathedral Saint-Peter-and-Paul just before the war :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2013/10/15//1310150749185012511643007.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1310150749185012511643007.png)



Perhaps it's already known, but that military church of SS. Peter and Paul in Peterhof has recently been restored to its former glory:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog?from=20130324

Inok Nikolai
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on November 14, 2013, 05:45:32 PM
There must be a lot more photographs of such photographs in various collections.  I know a great set of Polizei Division color slides in a collection, so it may contain something too.  Bundesarchiv and other archives should have a lot to contribute.

Photography is THE media at the time in germany, it's about everything in life, not only excursions...  Germans wanted to record what they encountered and of themselves as much as possible...  And especially when they were risking their lives every day at war...
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on May 13, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
A new free admission exhibition On Tsarskoye Selo Preserve Museum : "And the Door Will Open One Day".

http://eng.tzar.ru/info/info-events/title/?id=3458

"The artefacts on display include those looted during the Nazi occupation of Pushkin town (Tsarskoye Selo) in 1941–4 and later returned at various times to the Museum."

Article with photos , from Paul Gilbert's blog Royal Russia :

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1467562/tsarskoye-selo-hosts-unique-exhibit-of-treasures-looted-during-wwii/
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on August 30, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
During a trip in Germany I bought recently an original old photography : it's a view of the Peterhof cathedral Saints-Peter-and-Paul .
In the back of the photo it's written with black ink : "Kathedral von Peterhof 1942" preceded by the number 35.
This number and the traces of adhesive or glue of the photography's corners indicate that it comes from an album.

We can see the cathedral's façade in winter with snow , with many bombing damages , especially right.
The plates of metal of the onion bulbs are damaged too.
In the foreground the metal gate is open.

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/08/30//1508301139575012513545537.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1508301139575012513545537.jpg)(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/08/31//1508311215545012513545564.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1508311215545012513545564.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 02, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
Anothers photos of war damages of Peterhof ( Great Palace):

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030239205012513552625.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030239205012513552625.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030239185012513552624.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030239185012513552624.jpg)

These photos were taken in 1945 by russian soldiers (probably during spring and summer) .
On the left you can see wooden trusses which have been already placed to shore weak sections of ruined walls.

Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on September 04, 2015, 06:13:47 PM
The book "IN Good faith The History of the 4th SS Politzei Panzer Grenadier Division Vol 1 1939-1943 by Friedrich Husemann has German battle maps of the area Puskin was right behind the German front line. 

Hi Akira I met you on other sites no doubt someone on either the axis history forum or missinglynx.com could tell you more about the KV-1s in the pictures.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 07, 2015, 01:52:34 AM
Tsarskoie Selo palace in 1944 and 1945 , photographed by russian soldiers :

Here the main façade with two russian soldiers in winter uniform , winter 1944 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030238445012513552623.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030238445012513552623.jpg)

The main façade , spring 1945 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030238415012513552622.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030238415012513552622.jpg)

The 1st anteroom , you can recognize to the left one of the two consoles (not restored ; today there are here 2 ceramic stoves as in the 18th century) , richly carved and gilded to display chinese and japanese porcelains :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030238405012513552621.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030238405012513552621.jpg)

The Zubov wing , probably in spring or summer 1945 , completely destroyed by fire ( to the left some windows have always protective planks of wood against bombing... :(

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030238375012513552620.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030238375012513552620.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 07, 2015, 02:51:23 AM
Russian soldiers military offensive in Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace on 2 January 1944 :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070932095012513561982.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070932095012513561982.jpg)

18 January 1944 , russian soldiers with mine detector in front of main façade of Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070932285012513561983.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070932285012513561983.jpg)

Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace's church and high school , winter 1944 ; with a red army officer:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070934025012513561988.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070934025012513561988.jpg)

Catherine palace main façade :

Spring 1944:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937175012513562002.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937175012513562002.jpg)

Summer 1945 , first activities to consolidation and stabilization works:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937165012513562001.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937165012513562001.jpg)

The chinese bridge , Catherine palace's park , winter 1944 :


(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937195012513562004.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937195012513562004.jpg)


Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 07, 2015, 03:07:35 AM
Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace interiors :

1st anteroom in 1941 , photographed by a spanish soldier . It is still intact here , with one of the 2 consoles :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937185012513562003.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937185012513562003.jpg)

The same room in 1944... :(

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/03//1509030238405012513552621.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509030238405012513552621.jpg)

The main staircase of Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace , 1944:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937135012513561999.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937135012513561999.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070933155012513561987.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070933155012513561987.jpg)

The green dining room of empress Catherine 2nd , Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace , 1944:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937235012513562005.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937235012513562005.jpg)

The Arabesque room , 1944: ( recently restored ):

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937155012513562000.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937155012513562000.jpg)

A maids-of-honor room ( with a ceramic stove on the left ) , Tsarskoie Selo Catherine palace :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070937115012513561998.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070937115012513561998.jpg)

A very rare photography !! The painting ceiling of the Catherine palace church , photographed in 1941 by a spanih or german soldier :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509070932565012513561986.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509070932565012513561986.jpg)


Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 11, 2015, 07:37:18 PM
Another photos of Tsarskoie Selo during the WW2 :

Wermacht officers and soldiers seated in front of the Catherine palace , 1941-1944

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120223565012513575610.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120223565012513575610.png)

The main wing of the Catherine palace in 1944 , filmed by plane by Red Army :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120224125012513575612.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120224125012513575612.png)(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120223445012513575609.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120223445012513575609.png)

The Zubov wing filmed by plane too in 1944:

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/12//1509120224065012513575611.png) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509120224065012513575611.png)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Geniebeanie on December 25, 2015, 03:31:59 PM
I read somewhere they closed the Alexander Palace for repairs, so it will be ready for the hundred anniversary  of the family's murder.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: lilianna on December 25, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
1. The first photo is not the Catherine Palace.
2. Images from the film called "Tsarskoye Selo in 1944".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_PAGUZgFCs
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Sanochka on December 26, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
These pictures are horrifying.  (I wonder if colorization would make them even more so.)  That anybody could destroy such beauty and splendor for any reason is incomprehensible.  I can only hope that all involved in such destruction are dead and gone.  Meantime, kudos to Russia for its patience and determination in restoring these nearly lost palaces.

BTW, why did my post count stop at 202? 
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: lilianna on December 27, 2015, 01:59:41 AM
Thank you understand our pain.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Greg D on January 07, 2016, 08:48:45 AM
I have never seen any photographs of Alexandra's apartments in the AP (Maple room, Palisander room, Mauve and Bedroom) after the end of the war and before they were ripped out by the soviets in the late 1940s.....do they exist ??? I understand they were still relatively intact and not destroyed like the Catherine Palace..... It would be fantastic to see them
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: lilianna on January 07, 2016, 09:04:50 AM
There are no pictures. Is the description of rooms and a description about the palace, and a balcony. Kuchumov found furniture Lilac cabinet Empress and the whole life sitting at the table of the boudoir. He did not even painted. We can see it right now. I have a few photos of the ceremonial hall and 1 larger cabinet of the Emperor.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Joanna on May 04, 2016, 05:51:16 PM
Photos that I have not seen before of the Catherine Palace c1941-44:

Garden side:
http://c7.alamy.com/comp/C45CH1/destroyed-former-czarist-palace-in-pushkin-1941-C45CH1.jpg

Courtyard side:
http://c7.alamy.com/comp/C45CH0/destroyed-former-czarist-palace-in-pushkin-1941-C45CH0.jpg

Spanish Blue Division:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3f/a1/19/3fa119cf93e4ecc4ccfb1ef7eaac0df2.jpg

http://www.militaria-archive.com/albumsIII/Reserve-Polizei-Battalion-102-a/content/bing/images/large/Res_Pol_Btn_102_149.jpg

http://otpusk-zdorovo.ru/spb/ekaterininskij-dvorets-v-tsarskom-sele-gorod-pushkin-vojna2.jpg

http://gatchinapalace.ru/upload/medialibrary/1fd/1fd275ab49f484b8683d2427e3106ff4.jpg

http://gatchinapalace.ru/upload/medialibrary/3b5/3b5701d72e085756b7954f73313ad57c.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on May 05, 2016, 10:43:43 AM
Thank you Joanna !

I had never seen these pictures , it's so sad ... :(

The spanish blue division have been very harmful towards Tsarskoie SElo and Peterhof .
I am sure that numerous treasures of these palaces are again in Spain ...(like books of imperials librairies , clocks , etc..)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: NicolasG on May 06, 2016, 11:37:30 AM
Thank you Joanna !

I had never seen these pictures , it's so sad ... :(

The spanish blue division have been very harmful towards Tsarskoie SElo and Peterhof .
I am sure that numerous treasures of these palaces are again in Spain ...(like books of imperials librairies , clocks , etc..)

Yes, in fact a real Fabergé egg is a standard feature of any Spanish home (I have one on my bedside table).

Really, the Spanish Blue Division took over the Tsarkoe Selo sector of the front at the beginning of september 1942, that is, a whole year after Hitler attacked his former ally Stalin. Anything valuable that could be moved had already been evacuated by the Russians or plundered by the Germans.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on July 31, 2016, 10:36:28 AM
3 unpublished pictures of Peterhof Great Palace at the end of the WWII (from Peterhof Museum facebook) : click on the pictures for best resolution :)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310554155012514403779.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310554155012514403779.jpg)
©State Peterhof Museum

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310554115012514403778.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310554115012514403778.jpg)
©State Peterhof Museum

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310554195012514403780.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310554195012514403780.jpg)
©State Peterhof Museum
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on July 31, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
Some pictures of Tsarskoie Selo Catherine Palace between 1941 and 1944 :

Main facade :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310644205012514403859.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310644205012514403859.jpg)

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310644185012514403857.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310644185012514403857.jpg)
(photo already shown by Joanna but in a better resolution)

The great hall (with a german officer?)-the stucco moulded cornice has not been reconstituted after the war .
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310644195012514403858.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310644195012514403858.jpg)

The Arabesque hall (the late cornice dating from the regn of Nicholas II has not been reconstituted , the curators preffered the Catherine II pediod) :
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310644175012514403856.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310644175012514403856.jpg)

The main stairs (already seen but better resolution)
(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2016/07/31//1607310644145012514403854.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1607310644145012514403854.jpg)

Title: Hello Newbies
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Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on March 01, 2017, 01:22:16 PM
3 photos that I did not know before : Peterhof palace in 1944-1945 :

The entrance gate :

(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//1703010832355012514885360.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1703010832355012514885360.jpg)

The ruined palace with gardens and fountains , with a german officer to the right. The Samson statue is always here , before being stolen by germans :

(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//1703010832425012514885362.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1703010832425012514885362.jpg)

The church wing of the palace under the snow , during 1944-1945 winter :

(http://nsm07.casimages.com/img/2017/03/01//1703010832395012514885361.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1703010832395012514885361.jpg)
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Sanochka on March 01, 2017, 03:35:21 PM
I hadn't seen the first photo before.  You can clearly see shrapnel damage to the columns of the gate, and the burned out shell of the palace beyond.  My God.
Title: Re: War Damage of Tsarskoe Selo and Peterhof
Post by: Akira Takiguchi on February 11, 2022, 01:48:04 AM
Nine years since I posted my first message here...   After thirteen years since I got my first Pushkin related color slides, this week I have acquired some new slides from Pushkin - to be precise, Peterhof.

So here is the Samson statue.  Color is apparently silver, reflecting sky and earth (so a bit gold looking).

http://www.history.jp/images/Puschkin-Dia14Acrop.jpg