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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Windsors => Topic started by: Eugenie_of_Montijo on March 16, 2006, 04:14:06 AM

Title: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eugenie_of_Montijo on March 16, 2006, 04:14:06 AM
Yes...I know there are several threads about the couple, but I will enjoy if someone of you could explain how the story began...

Where they met first? Bertie fell in love with Alix at first sight? Who were favourable to the macht and who were opposite in the british entourage?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on March 16, 2006, 04:56:50 AM
The match was primarily the idea of QV, Vicky and one of Vicky's ladies-in-waiting.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Booklady on March 16, 2006, 05:13:15 AM
From what I read, it was not love at first sight from Bertie's end, even though I'm sure he liked Alix's looks.  Apparently Alix was also being considered for a possible Russian crown princess position at the time.

After Prince Albert's death QV was quick to want Bertie to settle down.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eugenie_of_Montijo on March 16, 2006, 06:14:43 AM
I know that Vicky sent a lot of letters to her mother giving a marvellous portrait of Alix...so beauty, so well-mannered, etc. But I have read that Bertie knew Alix at Belgian court...at he found her lovely. Do you know something about this first meeting?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 16, 2006, 06:40:53 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/bertisandalex18644jc.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2006, 07:01:15 AM
There was a thread 'Seven Princesses for Bertie' which detailed the search for a suitable wife.

Vicky was deputized to lead the hunt since she was well-stationed in Germany. Poor Vicky, who was dealing with motherhood and pregnancy during the search, had to make lists, sound out families, get information from observers and pass this info on. She was harangued almost daily by QV. The princess needed to be Protestant, of good character and the right age. Vicky recommended that beauty play a part since she felt that would appeal to Bertie the most--and was correct. The latter requirement ruled out several of the candidates. Intelligence would've been nice but it wasn't a major priority, though of course, they didn't want a stupid future Queen either.

Once it was settled on Alexandra (and Vicky had done sufficient reconaissance on her), contacted Queen (then Princess) Louise and she supplied some photos to QV and Bertie and then arranged some meetings. QV's main worry was the potential political situation and this did prove a later factor during the Schleswig-Holstein crisis. There was also some concerns about her family. She dithered around until she heard that Russia was also sniffing around Alexandra and decided they couldn't lose that 'pearl' to the horrid Russians. She decided that no other princess would attract Bertie sufficiently and they made an offer of marriage.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Agneschen on March 16, 2006, 07:02:43 AM
Bertie & Alix first met in Germany in Speyer. The meeting was arranged by both family of course. They liked each other but Bertie did not seem to be that impressed and asked his parents for a little time to think it over (this angered QV very much). The engagement took place in Brussels the following year.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2006, 07:07:03 AM
Yes, the Speyer meeting was done with the knowledge of Bertie and Alexandra's parents but Alexandra herself was kept in the dark about the 'accidental' meeting. Vicky accompanied Bertie and they were supposedly visiting the area.

You can see 'Bruxelles' on several of the engagement photos taken.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: CountessKate on March 16, 2006, 07:08:06 AM
Because of Bertie's previous sexual indiscretion with Nellie Clifden, which had worried his parents who were afraid he had inherited the immoral tendencies of his Hanoverian forebears, Albert and Victoria were agreed that an early marriage was essential for Bertie and his future wife must be beautiful enough to keep his attention, and his morals, at home.  Albert had seen a photograph of Alexandra and was very enthusiastic - when decrying Bertie's escapade he even worried that Alexandra's parents might reject Bertie for his immorality (he over-reacted dreadfully in fact).  Although things were put on hold as Albert died soon after this (Victoria blamed his death at least partly on the distress Bertie's behaviour undeniably caused him), the proposed match had the approval of Albert and thus became even more sanctified, so Victoria pursued this as a high priority when her first immediate grief had passed.

The couple met in Belgium under the aegis of King Leopold, to see whether they liked one another.  Vicky was there too, to provide detailed reports on Alexandra and her family for QV, who was too overwhelmed to travel abroad on this sort of errand.  The couple decided they could get on, Bertie was impressed with Alexandra's beauty, Vicky made a favourable report, and QV agreed the match should proceed.   Bertie was keen to set up his own establishment and become independent.  Alexandra was a well-brought-up princess and prepared to fall in love with the heir to the throne of Great Britain.  They became fond enough of one another, but love match it was not.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Booklady on March 16, 2006, 07:16:56 AM
I thought Bertie stalled about the relationship after meeting Alix once or twice and QV finally had to "force" the issue.

Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 16, 2006, 08:00:10 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/10086832a.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2006, 12:15:56 PM
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I thought Bertie stalled about the relationship after meeting Alix once or twice and QV finally had to "force" the issue.

Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.


QV stalled first and then when she'd made up her mind that QA was the only real choice, she found Bertie dragging his feet. That did not please her at all.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on March 16, 2006, 11:32:31 PM
Bertie and Alix?  Love story?  I don't think so...or if it was a love story, it was a very one sided one...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on March 17, 2006, 05:17:56 AM
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Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.


The wife of the diplomat was Vicky's lady in waiting.  The diplomat had served in a previous diplomatic post in Denmark.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: CountessKate on March 17, 2006, 05:52:34 AM
The (former) lady in waiting was Walburga, Lady Paget. She was born in Berlin, daughter of Karl von Hohenthal, and she married Sir Augustus Berkeley Paget, British Minister to Copenhagen in 1860. She was thus well placed to help arrange the marriage of the Prince of Wales with Princess Alexandra. In 1928 she published her memoirs, The Linings of Life.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: nelly on March 17, 2006, 03:47:23 PM
Sometimes when you are reading the correspondence between QV and Vickie, you get the feeling that whatever Bertie's feelings were, in the end it was QV's opinion that determined the outcome.  "As regards Bertie's affair, one thing I think very necessary. . .that I should see the girl before B. sees her again so that I could judge, before it is too late, whether she will suit me. "  I guess if QV didn't like her, it wouldn't matter what the two most concerned parties thought  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on March 17, 2006, 03:58:15 PM
That's correct, Nelly.  Bertie was really given little choice in the situation -- he either agreed to proprose to Princess Alexandra or face the wrath of his parents, which probably would have meant being effectively frozen out by them.

As has been said, Victoria and Albert had decided she was the only truly suitable princess, plus they feared he would become more morally corrupt after his adventures with Nelly Clifden.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: nelly on March 17, 2006, 04:20:03 PM
Yess--Albert the Good seems to have become deranged by the Nelly Clifden adventure.  Poor Bertie--you have to feel sorry for him, getting lectured about his "fall" and "you must not be LOST!!!" ::)

I'm willing to bet he would have married just about any princess who showed up just to get away from that!!  In the end, getting married didn't mean he stayed home, did it? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2006, 05:06:45 PM
Yet it was Albert in the end who proved more understanding and forgiving of Bertie than did QV.

QV definitely needed to sign off on the princess, not too surprising and she gave much more leeway than did some parental monarchs. The options were pretty limited--could you imagine Bertie married to Elisabeth of Wied (later Queen of Romania aka Carmen Sylva)? Yikes. Similarly, QA might have ended up the consort of then-Tsarevich Nicholas since the Russians were sniffing around. If this marriage had occured and Nicholas not died, there still would've been an Nicholas II and Alexandra but an entirely different one.

Royal matchmaking was a cross between chess (moving around the pieces, strategy and out-witting others) and dominoes with one royal match often triggering the others.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: nelly on March 17, 2006, 05:17:22 PM
Well, it was right after Albert had his interview with Bertie that he went back to Windsor to die.  Then Victoria took over, shuddering at the sight of her heir, or so she said.  I think that letter does say it all--if QV wasn't comfortable with the girl, there would be no wedding and it didn't seem to matter what the wishes of the young people were.

The thought of the possibilities of what might have been if Bertie had married Elizabeth make me smile!!  Don't think it would have happened, QV would not have been comfortable with Carmen Sylva ;D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 17, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
The interview between Albert and Bertie went really smoothly though, with Bertie suitably chastened. If fate, and illness, hadn't intervened the whole issue probably wouldn't be as well-known as it is now. It became hugely magnified in QV's mind after PA's death and the focus of much of her blame on poor Bertie.

QV enjoyed Elisabeth very much--and kept her in mind for Affie later as well--but given how her eccentricities developed, I don't know if she would've been the best fit at the Windsor court.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: nelly on March 17, 2006, 05:57:08 PM
I do agree that after Albert's death, QV went off the deep end, going so far as to blame poor Bertie for causing"beloved angel's" death.  I'm sure he couldn't wait to go off to the Middle East for his tour!!

QV really took a hard-headed view of royal marriages.  "Respecting Dagmar, I do not wish her to be kept for Affie; let the Emperor have her."  Love has nothing to do with it, does it?--except her own for Albert, of course!!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 18, 2006, 12:42:25 PM
She was mostly hard-headed when referring to the Romanovs--she didn't like them one bit.  :) Her aunt, Julia of Coburg, had married a Romanov--it was a childless disaster that ended in divorce.

Her children were lucky on the whole as she didn't force any of them into unwanted marriages, and even caved on ones she didn't wish for (Affie & Marie; Beatrice & Henry). She wanted suitable marriages but not loveless ones. This extended to her granchildren as well. Even in marriages that turned out badly (Ernie & Ducky) she'd originally had best interests at heart. Would that Ella and Alix had listened to her and not gone to 'horrid Russia' as QV put it.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Caleb on March 18, 2006, 09:59:26 PM
Well I'm sure the Crimean war didn't help & the Russo-Turkish War. Also probably if Queen Victoria had heard about the situation with Alexander II's mistress, that would have helped (not!). Yes, I do think that Queen Victoria went into a depression after Albert died. I went into & still sort of am in a depression after my own father died, but the LORD is good & I think of the blessings I do have.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on March 20, 2006, 06:22:04 AM
When it came to her children QV did a good job at match-making.  Her grandchildren is where she messed it all up to some degree.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 20, 2006, 09:05:12 AM
Her batting average wasn't too bad there either--it's just the most notable disaster was a huge one and involved 2 grandchildren.  :-/

She did well with:
GV&QM (and before that Eddy & QM)

Louise & Fife (in allowing the marriage even though he was 'just' an Earl at the time; she raised him in rank)

The other grandchildren she didn't have much imput with except to give her approval (which, granted, carried some weight) as with VMH & Louis Battenberg which she championed in the face of anti-Battenberg prejudice.

Plus, she had strong reservations regarding the marriages of Ella/Serge and Alix/Nicholas, which, sadly, turned out to be very prophetic.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Caleb on March 20, 2006, 06:24:41 PM
Also the disastrous marriage she "arranged" with Ernst Ludwig of Hesse & Victoria Melita.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 20, 2006, 10:19:23 PM
That's the one I mentioned in the first line of my post.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on March 21, 2006, 05:46:37 AM
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Louise & Fife (in allowing the marriage even though he was 'just' an Earl at the time; she raised him in rank)




Did not Louise and Lorne pave the way for the Fife marriage?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 21, 2006, 09:14:28 AM
It set the precedent of a modern British royal marrying into the peerage but Lorne was heir to a Dukedom. Bertie was against his sister's marriage by the way and when it came to Louise & Duff, he prevailed upon QV to raise him from an Earl to a Duke which she did on the wedding breakfast.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2006, 11:44:21 AM
I had been thinking it was time for a new one as well--once we hit 20 pages, mostly pictures, it seems to be time.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 30, 2006, 12:25:12 PM
Thank you gradduchessella,here are some to start with.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/alexandra-portrait.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/RF_87_edited.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/hb_C.jpg)
A dress of Queen Alexandra she wore around 1900.

 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/Rotary_10513-90.jpg)
On alexandra Rose day look at the little girl oooh.( great picture)
   royal netherlands :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 30, 2006, 09:22:02 PM
royal netherlands, what an absolute treasure you are sharing with all of us!  Once again thank you so much for the time and effort you spend to bring these images to the forum!  :-*
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2006, 09:35:25 PM
some of Queen Alexandra late in life

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture43651921richmondhorseshoww.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4361qadukeofportlandcenotaph.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2006, 09:36:21 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4368qawawworkw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4364qatoria1921londonhospbaz.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2006, 09:37:47 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4369visittowarsupplydepotw.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4370QAambulancew.jpg)

As you can see from some of the above photos, QA gained a bit of a second wind by participating in the war effort as much as age and infirmity would allow. She really enjoyed visiting the wounded and lending her name and attention to various war-related charities.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 30, 2006, 09:39:11 PM
Hope the mother clipped out this photo at the time for the lucky baby.  :)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture4371qanewbornw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: emeraldeyes on March 30, 2006, 09:47:08 PM
QA looks like she is holding that child rather perilously!  

Mother to child at a later date:  "...and after the picture was taken, that was when you were dropped on the floor, and you cried and made such a fuss that the Queen left straight away..."
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 31, 2006, 07:41:22 AM
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royal netherlands, what an absolute treasure you are sharing with all of us!  Once again thank you so much for the time and effort you spend to bring these images to the forum!  :-*


It really is my pleasure emeraldeyes, glad you all like the images and appreciate it thank you.

              royal netherlands :)

PS: ella thank you for the wonderfull images you send agian, you are really a great poster of information and images( some of them I never saw before) on this forum. I think it need to be said. :)
And the last images you send thank you that was what I was looking for a smiling Alexandra in later life ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 31, 2006, 09:21:26 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/184420Alexandra-12.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10017343a.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083769a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083768a.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083767a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10086832a.jpg)
1 and 2 Princess of wales.
3,4 and 5 with the family.
6 A young Alexandra.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on March 31, 2006, 09:26:07 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083772a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10086644a.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083771a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10083770a.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10008902a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10017346a.jpg)
1:Beatifull Princess of Wales
2:Beatifull Princess of Wales.
3:With her two sons George and Eddy.
4:Looking fashionable.
5:With her beloved dogs.
6:She looks pretty beatifull in those coronation robes.

  royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on April 01, 2006, 05:18:39 AM
I have been examining Alix's neck very closely, even with a magnifying glass, on the few photos were her neck is bare, and I have never noticed anything that even reminded of a scar. It must have been visible, if the brits were so concerned about it, but there's nothing to see.

I'm beginning to believe that the scar was just a rumor, started by the ones who was against a marriage between Alix and Bertie.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: emeraldeyes on April 01, 2006, 10:16:58 AM
Wouldn't any photos where the scar was visible have been retouched?  

Would the existence of a scar be so scandalous that it would blight her chances of marrying/being a success in society?  Or would there be an underlying message of 'she was so poor that she lived in disease-ridden squalor' and thus unfit for life at court?

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 01, 2006, 01:00:24 PM
I think there probably was a little scar because she almost invariably wore the dog collars or high necks. The rumors about why were probably mostly untrue. It probably was just a little accident when she was younger. Perhaps embellished by those jealous of her beauty, who knows? No reason to think it didn't exist though. I agree, bare-necked photos (the few there are) could've been retouched or the scar just not really all that noticeable.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 03, 2006, 10:15:31 AM
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/Princess_of_Wales_1894.jpg)
The princess of Wales in the year 1894.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 04, 2006, 08:14:20 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/BritishDowagerQueenAlexandraWWI.jpg)
I found this image some time ago,but Im not really liking it. :(

   royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 04, 2006, 08:49:39 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/DDD0918290.jpg)
Queen Alexandra with her daugther Toria.

   royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alicky1872 on April 04, 2006, 09:28:15 AM
The one you don't care for is actually my very favorite picture of Alix. She looks so serene and thoughtful. I always imagined she was daydreaming about her darling Eddy...  I found the picture on ebay years back, it was a bit softer than this image and really did Alix justice. Sadly I was outbid, but I printed the picture out and it's had pride of place on my wall ever since.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 04, 2006, 10:32:42 AM
She was posing for a sculptor who was doing a bust of her. I know I scanned the picture from a magazine but don't know what I've done with it.  :-/  I'll try and find it.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 04, 2006, 10:46:02 AM
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The one you don't care for is actually my very favorite picture of Alix. She looks so serene and thoughtful. I always imagined she was daydreaming about her darling Eddy...  I found the picture on ebay years back, it was a bit softer than this image and really did Alix justice. Sadly I was outbid, but I printed the picture out and it's had pride of place on my wall ever since.


I didnt say I didnt care about the picture,it is just not one of my favorits because its not verry clear (mabye because it is pretty big)
But I still like her expression in this picture but its defently not my favorit,but that is my opion ::)
I hope you find it gdella I want to see it wennn its smaller version.

   royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yseult on April 05, 2006, 06:23:03 AM
Hello!

I asked mysefl if someone here has info about Walburga Ehrengarde Helena von Hohenthal, daughter of count Karl von Hohenthal. I know that Alfred, a brother of her father, was married to princess Marie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, a sister of Christian (later Christian IX). Walburga, or Wally, married the british minister in Copenhague, Augustus Berkeley Paget, and became lady in waiting of princess Vicky (later empress Friedrich). It seems well established that Wally gave to Vicky the pic of Alix that Vicky sent to Queen Victoria.

More details?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 05, 2006, 08:54:51 AM
 (http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/MBB0913369T.jpg) (http://s2.supload.com/free/MBB0913369T.jpg/view/)
A picture showing three parts of Queen Alexandras life, wenn she got married,crowned in 1902 and a picture of Queen Alexandra wenn she is older.
I never saw that last picture(wenn she is older) before was it made fore a special occasion are thier poses of this picture, ar maybe a clearer version??
So many questions ::) :P

  royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on April 06, 2006, 05:15:48 AM
Has anyone read the book "Edward and Alexandra"? Is it any good? Is it worth buying used?

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on April 06, 2006, 09:06:04 AM
I recently bought a used copy of Edward and Alexandra - I found it to be quite a good read.  It appers to be well referenced and the soures are comprehesive.  It did give a more cohesive view of their marriage as opposed to individual biogs.  I only paid £3 for my copy (about $5?) which was easily worth it.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 06, 2006, 10:22:03 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/king.gif)
I found this picture of King George V on with his mother Alexandra it was at a basball game in 1918.
Is there a bigger version of this picture or are thier more of them?

  royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 06, 2006, 04:49:19 PM
Which "Edward and Alexandra" book are we talking about here, please?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alicky1872 on April 06, 2006, 05:03:16 PM
Edward and Alexandra by Richard Hough

(http://www.catscradlebks.net/shop_image/product/290019.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 06, 2006, 05:05:08 PM
Thank you.

I have that book but mine has a different cover.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on April 07, 2006, 04:58:59 AM
Some more pictures of Alix
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix15.jpg)
Alix with QV and Princess Alice. (Nice to see that at least one of them is able to smile ;D)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix16.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix17.jpg)
I don't know who Alix is with in these two pictures. Anybody know?

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix12.jpg)
Alix riding a camel during the visit to Egypt in 1869

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix14.jpg)
This one is probraly taken before a sitting to a painting.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix9.jpg)
Alix and Minnie in Denmark in 1908

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix11.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix10.jpg)
The royals visit an exhibition of naval war pictures in 1918

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix13.jpg)
Alix on the "Alexandra Rose Day" in 1916.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix18.jpg)
Bringing a caricature has proven to be a dangerous thing these days, but I will dare to post this, hoping no one will burn down my countrys embassys and boycut our products because of it ;) A watercolour caricature of Alix by Sir Arthur Ellis.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on April 07, 2006, 06:01:09 AM
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/king.gif)
I found this picture of King George V on with his mother Alexandra it was at a basball game in 1918.
Is there a bigger version of this picture or are thier more of them?

  royal netherlands

RN,

I love the picture but the description is impossible.  In 1918 Baseball was only played in the USA and maybe the Caribbean.  Alex and GV never visted the USA or Caribbean to my knowledge!  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe a socer/football match?  ;) ;) ;)


Thanks for the picture!  
TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 07, 2006, 08:05:58 AM
[/quote]

RN,

I love the picture but the description is impossible.  In 1918 Baseball was only played in the USA and maybe the Caribbean.  Alex and GV never visted the USA or Caribbean to my knowledge!  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe a socer/football match?  ;) ;) ;)


Thanks for the picture!  
TampaBay
[/quote]

Thank for youre quint words Tampabay, but I will give you the link to the picture so you can read it yourself maybe youre right about it.
I dont know much about it so... ;)

http://www.sabruk.org/examiner/11/illustrious.html
Here it is.

 royal netherlands :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alicky1872 on April 07, 2006, 09:35:08 AM
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Some more pictures of Alix
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix16.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix17.jpg)
I don't know who Alix is with in these two pictures. Anybody know?


Zanthia, Alix isn't in either of these pictures, which by the way can be found in Developing The Picture: Queen Alexandra and the Art Of Photography by Frances Dimond. These pictures were in Alix's albums though, and they were most likely ladies of the court.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 07, 2006, 10:43:38 AM
Question does any one have a picture of HM Queen Alexandra at the funeral of her beloved husband King Edward VIII?
Or maybe around the time of his funeral?
Thank you already.

    royal netherlands :)
    
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 07, 2006, 10:45:01 AM
Quote
Quote
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/king.gif)
I found this picture of King George V on with his mother Alexandra it was at a basball game in 1918.
Is there a bigger version of this picture or are thier more of them?

  royal netherlands

RN,

I love the picture but the description is impossible.  In 1918 Baseball was only played in the USA and maybe the Caribbean.  Alex and GV never visted the USA or Caribbean to my knowledge!  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe a socer/football match?  ;) ;) ;)


Thanks for the picture!  
TampaBay

Actually, I think it is correct. I have a picture somewhere from one of the GV's magazines which shows a similar scene. While American troops were in England during and immediately after WW1, some baseball games were performed with the US vs the Brits, who had apparently learned the rudiments of the game while being stationed alongside US troops and combined it with their cricket knowledge. The exhibitions were pretty popular and various royals attended several.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 07, 2006, 11:52:48 AM
Well thank you for the info on the picture I send,Is queen Alexandra in youre picture grandduchessella? ;)
 
              royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 07, 2006, 04:21:56 PM
I don't think that she is but I"ll have to go back and look. I've been on a scanning tear lately but haven't done anything with the scanned photos yet. I think that it's GV and one of his sons and Queen Mary. There's another photo from the 1920s which shows an exhibition match in 1923-24 where the Duchess of York has accompanied him.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: jyrkiboy on April 08, 2006, 06:57:28 AM
Quote
Question does any one have a picture of HM Queen Alexandra at the funeral of her beloved husband King Edward VIII?
Or maybe around the time of his funeral?
Thank you already.

    royal netherlands :)
    
There is a picture of her looking out of her carriage in the funeral procession, It is in a book of mine called London in alten Fotographen (London in Old Photographs). There are a few other pictures of her as well. I'm not sure if the book is still available, I bought it about eight years ago. I think my copy is a German translation, so there might be an English original somewher in Ebay or Amazon...I'm sorry Ihaven't a scanner -yet :-/
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on April 09, 2006, 07:21:02 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/king.gif)
I found this picture of King George V on with his mother Alexandra it was at a basball game in 1918.
Is there a bigger version of this picture or are thier more of them?

  royal netherlands

RN,

I love the picture but the description is impossible.  In 1918 Baseball was only played in the USA and maybe the Caribbean.  Alex and GV never visted the USA or Caribbean to my knowledge!  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe a socer/football match?  ;) ;) ;)


Thanks for the picture!  
TampaBay

Actually, I think it is correct. I have a picture somewhere from one of the GV's magazines which shows a similar scene. While American troops were in England during and immediately after WW1, some baseball games were performed with the US vs the Brits, who had apparently learned the rudiments of the game while being stationed alongside US troops and combined it with their cricket knowledge. The exhibitions were pretty popular and various royals attended several.  :)


R.N.

You may be right!  Therefore, I apologize.  I forgot about Yanks troops in England during WWI.  

Please forgive?   :-[ :-[ :-[

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 10, 2006, 09:26:53 AM
Ofcourse I forgive you TampaBay!!!!!! :)

   royal netherlands

  
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 10, 2006, 09:33:36 AM
Quote
Quote
Question does any one have a picture of HM Queen Alexandra at the funeral of her beloved husband King Edward VIII?
Or maybe around the time of his funeral?
Thank you already.

    royal netherlands :)
    
There is a picture of her looking out of her carriage in the funeral procession, It is in a book of mine called London in alten Fotographen (London in Old Photographs). There are a few other pictures of her as well. I'm not sure if the book is still available, I bought it about eight years ago. I think my copy is a German translation, so there might be an English original somewher in Ebay or Amazon...I'm sorry Ihaven't a scanner -yet :-/

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/64.jpg)
I think this is the one you mean, its the only picture of her Ive got on the day of the funeral.
You also see her sister the Dowager empress next to her.

royal netherlands


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Michael_II on April 10, 2006, 09:41:01 AM
Quote
Quote
Quote
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/king.gif)
I found this picture of King George V on with his mother Alexandra it was at a basball game in 1918.
Is there a bigger version of this picture or are thier more of them?

  royal netherlands

RN,

I love the picture but the description is impossible.  In 1918 Baseball was only played in the USA and maybe the Caribbean.  Alex and GV never visted the USA or Caribbean to my knowledge!  ;D ;D ;D

Maybe a socer/football match?  ;) ;) ;)


Thanks for the picture!  
TampaBay

Actually, I think it is correct. I have a picture somewhere from one of the GV's magazines which shows a similar scene. While American troops were in England during and immediately after WW1, some baseball games were performed with the US vs the Brits, who had apparently learned the rudiments of the game while being stationed alongside US troops and combined it with their cricket knowledge. The exhibitions were pretty popular and various royals attended several.  :)

The Chicago Cubs baseball team visited Great Britian around 1919-20 era and staged an exhibitation game.  HM King George V received and had his picture taken with the team. [smiley=happy.gif]
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 10, 2006, 05:03:53 PM
Alexandra and Dagmar c.1862-63

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/scandinavian/57_31aw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 11, 2006, 10:10:20 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10004571a.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10039913a.jpg)
Two carictures of HM King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra.
1EDWARD VII puts on weight and Alexandra doesn't approve
2 And the second made wen the visit Denmark.
1 made by Olaf Gulbransson
2 made by Alfred Schmidt
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 11, 2006, 10:15:41 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/10099768a.jpg)
King Edward his wife Queen Alexandra and his sister in law Dagmar in Le Bourget, France so the two sisters and the rest of the family can spent some time with eatchother,

   royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 13, 2006, 11:12:54 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/800px-Duitse_Keizer.jpg)
I just found this wonderfull picture on the site of Wikipedia.
She is standing next to Kaiser Wilhelm and is not looking happy wih it. ;)
And a suprise to me is that Maud is in this picture and not her siter ''Toria''

 royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 13, 2006, 01:56:03 PM
 Alix herself remained youthful looking into her senior years, thanks to elaborate veils and very heavy makeup (an observer described her as looking enamelled).

I read this a while ago at the Wikipedia site and its true she always looked youthfull untill here senior years, with the help of make up retouched pictures and elaborate veils( we saw enough samples of that)    
But now the thing I was thinking about because Alexandra always was bussy with her looks and covering it up in her senior years.
A member of this board once said it almost looks like she appologizes whit her smile in her senior years.
It almost looks if her expression is saying '' I cant help it "
Which I do not understand.
What would she do if she lived in our time in 2006, would she consider plastic churgery are other medical steps?
What do you guys think would she really do that to keep here youthfull?

  Royal netherlands
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 13, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
Elaborate veils and very heavy makeup alone cannot make a woman look young -- in fact the latter is very ageing.  Perhaps the "enamelling" Alix was said to use would cover some lines and sagging more effectively but she probably would only have used this for public appearances, not as an every day habit.
Many people attested to her youthful looks and beauty until she was well into her 60's.  I'd say this was a combination of taking care of herself and good genes, bone structure etc.

I think Alix would have had some "work" done - definitely - had she lived in our time.  Maybe not a full facelift but perhaps an eyelift and regular botox anyway.  She was a lady of great taste so she would have kept it low key, not garish.

She did have a sad smile in her older years -- maybe in part due to her fading looks but probably more to the sad events in her life which are inevitable when you reach a certain age.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 13, 2006, 09:35:53 PM
Based on several reports, the 'enammeled' look seems to have come with her very last years. One unkind person remarked that one couldn't have seen her smile because her faced would've 'cracked'. It seems she did perhaps go a little heavy-handed with makeup in her final years, even when not in public. She almost always wore veils--you can see her in several snapshots such as the visit of the Romanovs to Cowes in 1908--or at least had a parasol when out in the sun. This probably helped her a great deal in maintaining her looks--her skin probably had very little sun-damage and its attendant aging effects. Unlike Sisi  she didn't use veils to hide from the public. Many snapshots--untouched, public photos--show that she aged a good deal in the post-WW1 era--but she never tried to hide her face away like the Empress of Austria. Formal photos, contrasted with the snapshots, show retouching, from this period. It was the air of sweetness and grace, as well as those large, lovely eyes, which in those final years gave her such a fragile beauty rather than perfection of features in my opinion.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 13, 2006, 10:18:28 PM
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/800px-Duitse_Keizer.jpg)
I just found this wonderfull picture on the site of Wikipedia.
She is standing next to Kaiser Wilhelm and is not looking happy wih it. ;)
And a suprise to me is that Maud is in this picture and not her siter ''Toria''

 royal netherlands

This was part of a larger gathering in 1907.

original image, a little clearer

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/royalgathering1907w.jpg)

a 2nd pose of the sovereigns & consorts present--that's why it's Maud there and not Toria (EVII & QA, Wilhelm & Dona, Queen Amelie of Portugal, Ena & Alfonso, Maud)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/ar593cw.jpg)

entire gathering

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/royalgroup1907w.jpg)

Front row: CP Olav, EVII, Infanta Isabella, Beatrice ? , Miechen, Amelie, Helene of Aosta (?), Princess Johann George of Saxony

2nd row: Louise Fife, Duke of Connaught, Maud, Wilhelm, May, Patsy Connaught, Duke of York, Alfonso XIII, Dona, Arthur Connaught (Jr), Alexandra, GD Vladimir, Ena, Duchess of Connaught, ?, Prince Johann George of Saxony (?)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 14, 2006, 02:23:42 AM
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Quote
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/800px-Duitse_Keizer.jpg)
I just found this wonderfull picture on the site of Wikipedia.
She is standing next to Kaiser Wilhelm and is not looking happy wih it. ;)
And a suprise to me is that Maud is in this picture and not her siter ''Toria''

 royal netherlands

This was part of a larger gathering in 1907.  

original image, a little clearer

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/royalgathering1907w.jpg)

a 2nd pose of the sovereigns & consorts present--that's why it's Maud there and not Toria (EVII & QA, Wilhelm & Dona, Queen Amelie of Portugal, Ena & Alfonso, Maud)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/ar593cw.jpg)

entire gathering

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/royalgroup1907w.jpg)

Front row: CP Olav, EVII, Infanta Isabella, Beatrice ? , Miechen, Amelie, Helene of Aosta (?), Princess Johann George of Saxony

2nd row: Louise Fife, Duke of Connaught, Maud, Wilhelm, May, Patsy Connaught, Duke of York, Alfonso XIII, Dona, Arthur Connaught (Jr), Alexandra, GD Vladimir, Ena, Duchess of Connaught, ?, Prince Johann George of Saxony (?)

 Thank you for the further information on the picture, didnt knew it was a part of a gathering in 1907. :)

 RN
  


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 14, 2006, 02:53:26 AM
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Alix13.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/76676_1243881.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/00284371.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/AlixandMinny.jpg)
Thank you for youre respones on my question gdella and grace. :)
She looked good even with out her heavely make up and you gave some examples why she looked great untill her later years.Not much skin damage, good genesbone structure and taking good care for herself.
The formal pictures where almost retouched all the time but as gdella says it was the time of sweetness and grace, and it toke nothing away from her reall beaty.
Ive aggree with you Grace on the '' work'' thing I also think so she would let it do but not as dramatic as you she sometimes on television( some people look like leaving dumies)
She would do a liitle thing here and a little thing the but still keep her own beaty.
She almost always wore a veil and it really is a part of her wardrobe, and I think it really looks great on her.
Ive send some pictures of her wer she is wearing a veil( thanks to to people how send them before)
Was the viel a reall ''Alix'' thing or was it more a fashion thing? in that time also her siter Minny is wearing a veil but the one of Alix is more elaborate.
The veil looks really royal and  elegant on her majesty Queen Alexandra, did she always wore it outside in public?


   RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grantj on April 14, 2006, 04:42:30 AM
On the middle picture above showing Queen Alexandra walking beside the Empress, I couldn't help but think that the resemblance between her and Princess Margaret in her later years was quite strong.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 14, 2006, 06:46:01 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/GRE00287_095.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/GRE00332_029.jpg)
The first one is taken in Copenhagen in 1910, I think it is taken just after Edward died because she is still in mourning.
The second one is taken   at the Athens stadium with her husband,herson and her brother the king of greece.
She looks so relaxed in her expression but thats because its a snap shot.
I really like these pictures because thier so relaxed.
 
RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: joye on April 15, 2006, 01:54:41 AM
Re posts 10 and 20.

Post 10 states in Coronation robes.. I feel I want to query this.

Post 20, shows central picture  Q. Alix in Coronation robes.   She is an older woman, as her husband was also, when he came to the throne, 1901, Coronation 1902.

Post 10 shows a younger woman, smaller waist.  The 2 gowns are vastly different. So what is the occassion for no.10 post, wearing ermine robe and crown?

I am most interested to know.

Signed  HRH
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 15, 2006, 11:18:53 AM
It's supposed to be the Coronation. Like the photo of May discussed in another thread--also done at the same time--there is some serious artistic license taken in the creation. They may have even been done shortly before the actual coronation adding to the lack of accuracy. Many portraits of Alexandra make her look even more youthful than she actually did--especially ones that don't seem to have been painted from life.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 15, 2006, 06:22:26 PM
That is an unusually informal picture taken at the Athens stadium, RN, you come forth with some beauties for sure, thank you again!  Not a very flattering shot of Bertie's tummy, however!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 18, 2006, 08:24:27 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/345391-636f8fb71354dc80bc61dd15da68.jpg)
Does some one has a bigger version of this picture?
Its Christian X,Alexandra,Thyra and Dagmar thanks in advance.
And thank you Grace fore youre quint words glad youre happy with  the pictures.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 21, 2006, 02:35:35 PM
Today its Her Majesties Birtday she became 80 years old, but wear thier any celebrations on Queen Alexandra's birtday wenn she turned 80?
I was wondering was thier a special birtday picture taken, or was thier a ride in a carriage a some quint of special dinner was thier a family reunion are something?
I would love to know, if some one has anny pictures ar information on that special day in may 1924.
Thank in advance

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: jyrkiboy on April 22, 2006, 01:24:51 PM
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Today its Her Majesties Birtday she became 80 years old, but wear thier any celebrations on Queen Alexandra's birtday wenn she turned 80?
I was wondering was thier a special birtday picture taken, or was thier a ride in a carriage a some quint of special dinner was thier a family reunion are something?
I would love to know, if some one has anny pictures ar information on that special day in may 1924.
Thank in advance

RN

Dear RN,

as far as I know, she celebrated her 80th birthday with her family in Sandringham. The celebration included films of her public appearences since the 1890s i.e. the invention of tne moving camera. My information comes from the book "Alexandra Princess and Queen" by David Duff. I don't know which member of her family was present. In addition, there was a birthday tribute to her in The Times. The presents were donations to the Sandringham church as well as personal items such as jewellery.

jyrkiboy
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yseult on April 22, 2006, 01:31:24 PM
I like so much the threads about Queen Alexandra and I take the chance to put you a question...

I wish to improve my knowledge about Alix reading a good bio, so I wonder if "Queen Alexandra" by Georgina Battiscombe is a good choice...

What do you think?

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2006, 02:14:39 PM
I think it's probably the best bio on QA out there.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yseult on April 22, 2006, 02:27:58 PM
Thanks a lot, Her Imperial Highness!  ;)

So, I´ll ordered the book today.

 ::)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 22, 2006, 05:57:37 PM
I think the Battiscombe one is probably the one to get but David Duff's Alexandra is good also.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 22, 2006, 06:36:33 PM
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Thanks a lot, Her Imperial Highness!  ;)

So, I´ll ordered the book today.

 ::)

I hope you enjoy it! I want to go get mine down now and reread it--it's been awhile.  :)

The last one on her was probably the joint Bertie-Alix one by Richard Hough (author of the Mountbattens) but it was so-so, not bad, just average.

Given the fact that there could be more information out there--especially from the Russian side--it would be nice to see a new bio.

Battiscombe noted that there was a real dearth of first-person information on QA because she had many of her papers and letters destroyed. Charlotte Knollys carried this out. There could be more in foreign archives or private hands though.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on April 25, 2006, 12:57:57 PM
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Thanks a lot, Her Imperial Highness!  ;)

So, I´ll ordered the book today.

 ::)

I hope you enjoy it! I want to go get mine down now and reread it--it's been awhile.  :)

The last one on her was probably the joint Bertie-Alix one by Richard Hough (author of the Mountbattens) but it was so-so, not bad, just average.

Given the fact that there could be more information out there--especially from the Russian side--it would be nice to see a new bio.

Battiscombe noted that there was a real dearth of first-person information on QA because she had many of her papers and letters destroyed. Charlotte Knollys carried this out. There could be more in foreign archives or private hands though.

I am intrigued to know what the letters between Alix and Dagmar might say.  I know that Battiscombe mentions them in her bio but at that point they were not accessible; I know they are in Danish which makes it even more tricky as I speak neither Russian nor Danish but how fantastic would it be to have access to those forty volumes!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: frimousse on April 27, 2006, 10:07:12 PM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/frimousse5/sophie.jpg)

Picture of Queen Alexandra and Sophie duchesse d'Alençon, Empress Sissi's sister who died tragically.
See French board...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 28, 2006, 01:15:22 AM
Nice photo, Frimousse.  The child in front looks like Leopold's son, Charlie.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Agneschen on April 28, 2006, 04:03:31 AM
It is Charlie.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 06:37:29 AM
Thanks wonderfull picture frimousse really great.

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 07:03:46 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/Alixgirls.jpg)

The Princess of Wales with her three lovely daugthers from left to right Louise,Maud,Alexandra Victoria.
Does any one know the occasion of this picture?

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on April 28, 2006, 07:14:22 AM
RN, the photo was taken on the occasion of Beatrice and Liko's wedding in July, 1885.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 07:22:05 AM
Well thank you Grace for the fast answer. ;)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 07:48:35 AM
A few pictures of Queen Alexandra's funeral in 1925 from Top foto
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/pa0004886.jpg)
The coffin followed by HRH Princess Victoria next to her HM King George V and behind them HM Queen Mary and I think its HM Queen Maud next to her but Im not for shore.
And how is behind them I have no idea? :-/
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/0987687.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/0987685.jpg)
And two of HM King George V walking in the procession of his mother.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on April 28, 2006, 09:09:44 AM
It is most likely Maud next to Queen Mary. The height and precedence look right.

Next to GV in the other photos--David and CP Olav on either side of him with Bertie & Henry behind.

I have a similar photo of Charlie Albany--same age and kilt. Do you know what the occasion might have been? I presume that Sophie was visiting, most likely at Balmoral given his kilt.

At Beatrice's wedding, all three Wales girls were bridesmaids. That's the photo where Maud's eyes always weirded me out--she looks almost demonic.  :P
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 28, 2006, 10:15:24 AM
Yes I see it now to Maud doesnt looks that nice  and Alexandra looks a little bit frigthend in her expression.  
Maybe the were scared of something because Victoria and Louise arent looking that Happy either. :P ;D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 29, 2006, 03:22:47 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ma.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/minniealixpets.jpg)

These most wonderfull fantastic pictures were send by Helene and brnbg aka: liljones1968 at the more Maria Fedorovna threadf and Im verry thankfull for that because the  now belong to my favorits.
I thought the had to be shown at the Queen Alexandra thread also be cause she is in the picture to.
The picture deserves to be posted agian because thier so beatifull
Well I stop talking now :)

RN


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on April 30, 2006, 09:10:03 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/alicky10.jpg)
Another family picture.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 04, 2006, 06:58:51 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/image.jpg)
1HM Queen Alexandra,Queen Mary and H.R.H The Prince of Wales ( at that time) at the balcony at buckingham palace.
2 I send it before Queen Alexandra at Alexandra rose day recieving a rose from al little girl.
A few questions.
Wenn was Alexandra Rose Day for the first time?
Did Alexandra always drove around in a open carriage on that day?
was it a special day for Queen Alexandra?
Does some one have some more pictures of Queen Alexandra on a open Carriage at that day?
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/image25.jpg)
Two allready to start with.

Thank allready

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 04, 2006, 10:26:22 AM
It was at least in existence around 1910-11 since you can see QA in the heavy mourning that she wore for EVII.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on May 04, 2006, 12:54:19 PM
According to David Duff's bio on Alexandra, Rose Day was set up to commemerate the 50th Anniversary of her arrival in England. The first ride was actually done a year earlier on June 26, 1912 from Marlborough House to the Mansion House and back.

Georgina Batiscombe in her bio, says Alexandra hated the day and the drive.

I'm not sure that above picture is actually from Aexandra Rose Day, as gdella pointed out she is in heavy mourning. Might be from something else.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on May 04, 2006, 06:22:05 PM
Thinking more about it, it may be from 1913 when Alexandra would have been in mourning for her brother King George of Greece.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 07, 2006, 03:00:27 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/QAlex061.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/EdVIIAlex.jpg)
These were posted on the Glittering Royal events Message board by Nellie yesterday.
I love this two pictures and would love to share them with you.
And a great thank yoy to Nellie!!!!

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 07, 2006, 09:59:29 PM
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/QAlex061.jpg)

The above photo was part of a series taken at Cowes in 1870.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 10, 2006, 01:17:14 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/08076v.jpg)
The title says Queen Alexandra and her sisters Ive you look at Alexandra it good be true ;D
But it ar her two daugthers Maud at the left and Toria at the right of her.
Wenn would this picture been taken?
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/28293v0fy.jpg)
Her is the one I send before but a little bit biger its a lovly picture mother and her three daugther and two og her grandchilderen.
From Left till Right Maud of fife,Queen Maud,Granny Alexandra,Olav,Victoria,Louise.\
The three Wales sisters really look old at this picture but I think Maud still looks the best.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2006, 07:56:02 PM
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According to David Duff's bio on Alexandra, Rose Day was set up to commemerate the 50th Anniversary of her arrival in England. The first ride was actually done a year earlier on June 26, 1912 from Marlborough House to the Mansion House and back.

Georgina Batiscombe in her bio, says Alexandra hated the day and the drive.

I'm not sure that above picture is actually from Aexandra Rose Day, as gdella pointed out she is in heavy mourning. Might be from something else.

This might answer the question.  :)  I just got this yesterday from a 1935 Jubilee magazine.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/img6761stalexandrarosedayw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on May 11, 2006, 01:54:44 AM
I think she is in mourning for her older brother, King Frederik VIII of Denmark, who died in May 1912.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 25, 2006, 01:35:42 PM
Im back agian.
I send you two verry unclear pictures(sorry for that)
But thier from my magazine I bought wenn I was in London.
I bought a memoriam number of George V from 1936 its containing some most beatifull pictures.
Some of them I never saw before,and I bought a old paper The Dailly sketch from 1936 from HM King Georges Funeral in 1936 also a beatiful thing.
Im so proud at them I just had to share this two ones of Alexandra thier were taken by a digital camera.
Thats why the kwaliti is verry bad but heey  its better than nothing dont you think.
The first one has the following discription underneath it in my magazine.
The Late King with his mother.
With the late king are Queen Alexandra and the Dowager Empress Marie of Russia ( that has to be Princess Victoria his sister dagmar was next to Alexandra ) they are seen at the wedding of lady Mary Cambridge.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0338.jpg)
Love this picture its a real beaty.
 The next one goes like this. Unveiling the memorial statue to his father.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0339.jpg)
At the unveiling of the memorial statue to King Edward VII in Waterloo Place.
The late King performed the ceremony. On his Left is Queen Alexandra.(Louise is also behind them but you can not see her in this bad picture I took)
So maybe I bring you some more but the digital camare belongs to my brother so... ;D
Im really happy whit this magazine it is my first one from the Uk, I was verry curios at this quint of magazines and thier pictures.
esspcialy because gdella always sends beatifull pictures from her magazines.
Well that was it
 RN :)


 
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2006, 02:15:58 PM
Interesting pictures RN and I'm glad you were able to find yourself some treats on your trip.  Aren't old magazines the best?  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 25, 2006, 03:18:13 PM
Yes Im so proud of my beaifull magazine,thier the best gdella!!!!!
This quint of magazines almost always contain rare beatifull pictures.
I hope to collected many more in the future.
Youre collecting has to be huge isnt it gdella?

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2006, 11:21:48 PM
It is pretty big--I'm not too popular with the movers when we move every 3 years.  :P :)

I just got a memorial issue for Queen Alexandra but haven't scanned it yet--it looks good though!

Here are some from Pathe:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_651.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_201.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_151.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/364_19_301.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on May 25, 2006, 11:24:32 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/364_19_251.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/284_17_601.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/284_17_551.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/284_17_501.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: boffer on May 28, 2006, 11:16:55 AM
Queen Alexandra lost alot of weight in her later life, i always think she look a bit gaudy and ill because she is thinner on the face then she was in the 1890's - 1900's.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 29, 2006, 10:52:56 AM
Maybe this is the stupid thing ever.
But I was reading about or own royal family and we had also a much beloved queen in our country.
It was HM Queen Emma of Waldeck Pyrmont   a sister of Helena how married Prince Leopold  Duke of Albany son of Queen Victoria.
I know Alexandra and Emma are way different in some things but  the also resemble  each other like they both were verry in to charities.
Alexandra had her Alexandra rose day and Emma had her Emma flower collection.
Queen Alexandra was called the Queen of Roses Emma was called the Queen Mother the first Queen Mother and the only one in our country.
They were so loved by the people and they were verry popular.
I wonder if they ever met and talked, I know they must have seen each other for example wenn Helena married.
I read in a book that was about a lady in waiting of Emma thier were little diary pieces in it that the dinnered whit the prince of Wales at the weding of Helena.
I think Alexandra had to be thier to and they also visited Queen Victoria in the 1890ties.
Alexandra was offcourse verry beatifull untill the end Emma looked more like Thyra at Elder age I think.
Well here are a few pictures and that was it I hope You dont think it was stupid ;D
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/362024.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/362020.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/351305.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/352186.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/360967.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/361895.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 29, 2006, 01:52:20 PM
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Queen Alexandra lost alot of weight in her later life, i always think she look a bit gaudy and ill because she is thinner on the face then she was in the 1890's - 1900's.

You can say that agian she was verry skinny in the end
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/80798_128542.jpg)
For example this picture you can see the (cheek) bones verry clearly.
Compair her face with that of Dagmar and Victoria I know she is older bit its a huge different.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1921.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on May 29, 2006, 01:56:54 PM
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It is pretty big--I'm not too popular with the movers when we move every 3 years.  :P :)

I just got a memorial issue for Queen Alexandra but haven't scanned it yet--it looks good though!

Here are some from Pathe:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_651.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_201.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/432_11_151.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/364_19_301.jpg)

Yes The first thing Im going to do wenn Im in the Uk agian search for a magazine thats about Alexandra.
Cant wait wenn you send some pictures of the memorial issue must contain beatifull rare pictures.
I understand the moving problem caught the same no one moves my bookes are precious stuff wenn Im not around.

RN :)

(great pictures)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Caleb on May 29, 2006, 08:37:36 PM
I think that Queen Alexandra was probably the first royal in the history of photography to actually smile & look happy in photos of the time period. Does anybody else agree? I also noticed of the photo of Alexandra, as Princess of Wales in the 1880s, there was a photo of her grinning & she looked like she had quite a few fillings, as well.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 29, 2006, 09:05:41 PM
Well...Alexandra was a fun looking person who loved playing practical jokes with her family. She sometimes end her letters to her children with something like "your silly old mama'. Even her serious and smart sister Dagmar became funny when they all returned to Denmark for holidays. That's why I like the Glucksburgs so much, they are a happy and united family unlike others.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 02, 2006, 09:46:55 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/dagmaralex3alexgat4ina115kx-947.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/royalty/dagmaralex3alexgat4ina25ky-862.jpg)
The two sisters and Alexander where would this picture been taken?

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 02, 2006, 03:04:41 PM
Maqybe in Denmark? It looks lighter and airier than any of Alexandra's homes in England (plus AIII is in the photo). You can see a picture of GV in the background of the top photo which is why I don't think it's in Russia, though MF would've had photos of him--it's too prominent. The sisters had sitting rooms in their parents homes if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 03, 2006, 12:21:42 AM
I believe it was in Denmark too. Sasha looked very relaxed.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 03, 2006, 03:19:22 PM
Well here are some more pictures from my book and magazines.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0350.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0347.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0345.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0346.jpg)
This pictures are not from my magazine from London but they come from a book called the History of the European Royal families. Originally the title is Legendes Royales from Cyrille Boulay.
Is a wonderfull book and this picture is from that book, my favorit and the first picture I ever saw of Queen Alexandra.
I really love this picture of Alexandra and Dagmar together with Mary and George also Toria is behind Alexandra but is not fisable in this shot.
The discription of the picture is the following Dowager Empress Maria Fedorovna with her sister Queen Alexandra, her nephew King George V and his wife Queen mary in London 1923.
Im not shore at wich wedding this is those any one know?
I abselutly adore this picture.
RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 03, 2006, 03:27:21 PM
Here are some more of Alexandra  from my memorial magazine of George V.

 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0358.jpg)
A slight different version of the above shot but now Toria is in the picture.(wedding?)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0354.jpg)
At the balcony of Buckingham palace 1922 at the wedding of Princess Mary standing next to Queen Mary and the groom.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0351.jpg)
Talking to her son George V at the wedding of the Mountbattens in 1922 how touching,love this picture.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/IMG_0355.jpg)
Four generations Princess Mary (Mother) with her son and father (grandfather) and her grandmother (greatgrandmother).
Hope thear clear enough god i love those books and magazines.

RN ;D
 
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on June 03, 2006, 05:47:43 PM
Thanks for sharing with us, RN, the photos are great!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 04, 2006, 12:02:23 AM
The one of QA touching GV is so sweet. It almost looks like she's straightening his tie or patting his pocket like he's still a little boy as opposed to a man (and King!) almost 60 years old.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 04, 2006, 12:21:49 AM
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Im not shore at wich wedding this is those any one know?
I abselutly adore this picture.
RN

Hm, I know I've seen the outfits and poses before.

I looked through my files and it's not Louis Mountbatten, Maud Fife, Pss Mary, or the Duke of York.

Could it be Louise Mountbatten in 1923 at the Chapel Royal, St James's? For some reason, a relative of QM's is sticking in my head--one of her nieces or nephews. I could've sworn there was an article of one of their weddings and it stuck with me because of the presence of Marie Feodorovna. Lady Mary Cambridge married Henry Somerset, Duke of Beaufort in Jun 1923 in London while Lady Helena Cambridge married at St George's Chapel, Windsor, in 1919. These were the daughters of QM's brother Adolphus.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 04, 2006, 04:24:22 AM
It is interesting that there is no eye contact or rapport between the women. May was quite pissed at Minnie egging on Alix, and making her life difficult. A picture does worth a thousand words.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 04, 2006, 05:43:36 AM
Quote
Quote
Im not shore at wich wedding this is those any one know?
I abselutly adore this picture.
RN

Hm, I know I've seen the outfits and poses before.

I looked through my files and it's not Louis Mountbatten, Maud Fife, Pss Mary, or the Duke of York.

Could it be Louise Mountbatten in 1923 at the Chapel Royal, St James's? For some reason, a relative of QM's is sticking in my head--one of her nieces or nephews. I could've sworn there was an article of one of their weddings and it stuck with me because of the presence of Marie Feodorovna. These were the daughters of QM's brother Adolphus.

Stupid me I gave th answer in a early message the discription beneath the above picture ( George V Toria and thier mother) says the following they are seen at the wedding of Lady Mary Cambridge.
So thats the anwser but why is Minnie thier?
Is thier more information on this wedding or maybe more pictures?
Would love to now more about the event and why Minnie was thier.
Thank you allready

RN

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 04, 2006, 08:02:10 AM
A question.

Did Alix get to meet up with Thyra again after WWI ?  :-?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 04, 2006, 02:10:10 PM
MF was probably there because she was more or less settled in England at this period. While not technically royal anymore--though she was a Princess of Teck until the 1917 name-change--and a favored niece of GV, it's not surprising that his Aunt Minny would attend. Plus,s he was a granddaughter of Mary Adelaide who was not just a close friend of QA but also a cousin of QA and MF on the Hesse-Cassel (Queen Louise's) side.

Mary Beaufort, as a side note, was (according to Robert Golden) 'a great favourite of the King. [GV] Unlike his children, she was not afriad of him; a characteristic he secretly admired. Because of the rapport between them she was regularly asked to Windsor, Sandringham and Balmoral where she would accompany the King on his shooting expeditions. He would allow her to borrow his horses without first asking, something his sons would not have dared do.'
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 09, 2006, 01:48:08 PM
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Did Thyra and Alix met up after WWI ?

Yes I think she did esspcially wenn I saw this picture Almost shore it was taken after the first World War.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ImageHandlerServletuy.jpg)
The three sisters with King Christian X of Denmark.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 09, 2006, 01:49:22 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/II80381.jpg)
HRH the Princess of Wales looking stuning.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2006, 08:09:33 PM
Indeed ! Denmark is the only place they could have met.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 09, 2006, 08:37:30 PM
This was taken the same time as the above I think

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/img244w.jpg)

I thought the Danish picture was from about 1913 when they were all in mourning for their brother Frederick VIII. I think that's one of CX's sons behind the sisters--perhaps Knud--and the 2 boys were born in 1899 and 1900.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 10, 2006, 10:15:51 AM
I thought so too...I knew Thyra visted Dagmar at Hvidore after the War (there was a photo of that visit where she was dressed in widow weeds taken with the Dowager Empress). But I haven't saw one of all three after the war...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 12, 2006, 02:19:12 AM
I'm not sure if Alix visited Denmark after the war. She was about 74 when it ended, and the travel might have been a little hard for her. I can't remember if she did. :-?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 12, 2006, 09:18:50 AM
I thought so too, although Dagmar & Thyra did travelled.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 12, 2006, 01:00:56 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ImageHandlerServlyy.jpg)
Queen Alexandra at a ship around 1910.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ImageHandlerServlettt.jpg)
Also on a ship date dony know?
 (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/ttt.jpg)
A beatifull princess of Wales
Three picture from HM Queen Alexandra from Polphoto.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on June 12, 2006, 10:24:59 PM
The profile shows her considerable beauty. All three exude chic! :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 14, 2006, 01:13:08 PM
I don't know if this has been posted before, but I can't recall having seen it in the other threads, so here you are :)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix-1.jpg)
Alix wearing just the cross from the Dagmar Necklace, her weddinggift from King Frederik VII of Denmark.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 14, 2006, 08:24:59 PM
Yes it has been seen in the "Windsor Jewels" thread. I know Dagmar also recieved a Dagmar cross when she got married.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 15, 2006, 01:12:29 AM
It became a very popular jewellery in Denmark, after the opening of Queen Dagmar's tomb were the original cross was found. Every danish princess got one when they married, and slowly the tradition spread to the rest of the population. Today it's a tradition in many danish families that a girl gets one at her christening. Usually by her godparents. Every woman in my family has one. :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 18, 2006, 03:07:08 PM
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix21.jpg)
Alix with one of her dogs

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix20.jpg)
Another one of Alix at her coronation. (The photographers was really busy that day! ;))
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 20, 2006, 05:52:07 AM
Seven new ones ;)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/apowd.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Plans-46724.jpg)
Think this is from Alix and Bertie's engagement day

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Queen_alexandra.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/VPAlexandra2.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/olympics_1908_queen.jpg)
The olympic Games in 1908, where Alix is presenting a special award to one of the italian contenders, who did'nt win, to Alix's disappointment, so she had an award made to him.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/QAlexandraGB.jpg)
Love the sleeves at this dress :)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/fig19_queen-alexandra.jpg)
Alix's coronation
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 06:30:30 AM
Great Pictures Zanthia!!!
But I think the last one   is Queen Mary.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Justine on June 20, 2006, 07:18:07 AM
WOW I'd never seen this photos.Thanks :)
I also think the last one is Queen Mary, but I can be wrong
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 07:37:21 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/81390_128294.jpg)
King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra with their daughter Princess Victoria ("Toria") and grandchildren.
The picture was taken not a long time after the death of Queen Victoria (1901).
So thier still in mourning, well atleast Victoria and Alexandra are.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 07:42:49 AM
 
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/70374_116270.jpg)
Princess of Wales, sledging on the lake at Sandringham in Norfolk with her daughters, Maud, Louise and Victoria.  

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 20, 2006, 09:24:17 AM
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Great Pictures Zanthia!!!
But I think the last one   is Queen Mary.

Yes, when I posted the picture, I first wrote that I thought it look like Mary too, but then I erased it again. It was marked as being Alix where I found it, and I have been mistaken Mary for being Alix in a another picture in the same style before in QA threads, so I just posted it as Alix. Now when I look at it, the lower necklace looks a bit like Mary's "Girls of Great Britain og Ireland"-tiara, so perhaps it is Mary.
Those "cartoon-like" drawings is making it a little tricky to identify once in a while. :-?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 10:07:07 AM
 
 
 (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Other-Unknown-Queen-Alexandra--br--.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/DcssYorkMary.jpg)
 
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/75855_120861.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/1902.jpg)
The second one is used (close up) fore the last one you send of Queen Mary.
The first one lookes like the one you send almost the same.
 RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2006, 10:39:05 AM
I confirm it...the last one WAS Queen Mary !  :P
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 20, 2006, 11:26:49 AM
Hhhahahahahh yes sorry I was overdoing it ahah ;D
I make mistakes all the time hahah  ::)
RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 20, 2006, 02:06:02 PM
Yep, the evidence is clear, I'll remove the picture and put it in the Mary thread where it belongs ;)
By the way, it does'nt matter if you're overdoing it. Then all the details are showing, and I can see that the necklace is not the "Girls of Great Britain and Ireland" tiara. :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 20, 2006, 08:20:19 PM
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/81390_128294.jpg)
King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra with their daughter Princess Victoria ("Toria") and grandchildren.
The picture was taken not a long time after the death of Queen Victoria (1901).
So thier still in mourning, well atleast Victoria and Alexandra are.

RN

Very soon after--it was while GV & QM were on the cruise of the Ophir and E&A had charge of their grandchildren for several months.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 20, 2006, 09:17:26 PM
On that sitting of Queen Mary (only Princess of Wales then). The tiara was dismantled, while the stomacher (which can be divided into at least 3 booches) still remain a favourite of the Queen, who wore it in recent years.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 23, 2006, 09:10:24 AM
Okay, ready for a bunch of new ones (at least I hope they are ;))

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix31.jpg)
Alix with her parents and Minny

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix35.jpg)
Frederik VII presents his personal wedding gift to Alix, the beautiful Dagmar Necklace

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix30.jpg)
Alix in her wedding dress

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix36.jpg)
Alix and Bertie signing their wedding contract

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix32.jpg)
Alix and Eddie

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix39.jpg)
Alix and her little sunbeam again

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix38.jpg)
Alix with her new hairdo :o (makes me think of the egyptian cartouches with Pharaoh Ankhnaton and his family with their long back heads)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 23, 2006, 09:23:10 AM
Second part...

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix34.jpg)
Alix and Minny

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix45.jpg)
Alix and Valdemar, who surprised his sister with a visit in 1878

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix37.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix41.jpg)
Alix during a stay in Milan 1872, the same year her sister Thyra almost died of thypoid

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix40.jpg)
Alix as Mary Stuart
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 23, 2006, 09:28:21 AM
And the third and last part for now :)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix42.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix43.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix33.jpg)
Alix and her first grandchild, Lady Alexandra Duff

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/Zanthia1982/Alix44.jpg)
Minny, Alix and Thyra- "my wise daughter, my beautiful daughter and my good daughter" as their father used to say.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 23, 2006, 11:50:26 PM
One of the photos of Alix looked a bit like Keira Knightley. I guess she could play her in a movie. She had the qualiities (beautiful, thin and flat-chested).  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 24, 2006, 02:20:44 AM
Yes, now that you say it, they do have so smiliar features. Keira has the same headshape as Alix and almost same nose and mouth. Alix's nose is a little bit longer, and Kiera's lips are a little thicker than Alix's, but she is defintely a very good bid on who could play Alix in an eventual movie. :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2006, 02:30:30 AM
Glad you think that too. Would love to her her dressed in an Victorian or Edwardian gown, she will look lovely in those... ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on June 24, 2006, 12:21:29 PM
The numerous pictures I've seen show her to be reasonably curvaceous. Maybe it was the corsets.

Was Alexandra flat-chested? [smiley=huh.gif]

Here are a few that suggest she had a figure or very effective cosets:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/gogm/Alexandra/QueenconsortAlexandra.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/gogm/Alexandra/PcssAlexandrainkoshnik.jpg)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/gogm/Alexandra/PcssAlexandraCourtDress.jpg) :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Justine on June 24, 2006, 02:21:02 PM
Thank you for all these great photos.
I think Alexandra was one of the most beautiful women ever, and these photos show up her beauty.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 24, 2006, 08:11:44 PM
The flat-chested thing came from Queen Victoria, who compared Alix to her own daughters that have bigger bosoms.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 25, 2006, 11:24:51 AM
On this picture ''Alix'' is heading fore the boat to take a trip on the water with her sister ''Minnie''.
Minnie was so excited she was first on the boat and Alix is rushing to get thier to. ;D

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/img019.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2006, 09:34:12 PM
Alix and Minnie were devoted sisters all their lives. It was sad that at the end, the two old ladies cannot stand each other. However the love remained steadfast. After Alix passed away, Minnie's health also give way... :'(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on June 25, 2006, 10:03:34 PM
How do you mean, Eric, that at the end the two old ladies couldn't stand each other?  That's news to me.  :-/
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 25, 2006, 11:41:41 PM
Yes...Sadly the living togather in England did not work for the sisters. So Minnie went back to live in Denmark full time. The discord between the sisters were hinted in Queen alexandra's biographies.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 26, 2006, 12:03:37 AM
I think he just means that they couldn't be in each other's company constantly anymore. That had been the situation in the years after the Revolution but age, circumstance and health took it's toll on the relationship. It was better with MF went to live at Hvidore.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2006, 12:07:56 AM
And Amaliaborg in the winter...Thanks ! very well said indeed !
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 26, 2006, 01:34:57 AM
It was also because MF found it difficult to accept that Alix had become old and weak, she did'nt like the english food or weather, and there was also the position question. Alix was lady number one in England, and Minny was just a refugee. And she would rather be number one at Hvidore than number two at Sandringham.
Their relation became a little better after MF went to Denmark, and she was devastated when she heard that Alix had died in 1925. She felt that she has lost the last one from her own generation, she really could confide and talk to about Nicky, Alicky and the children, who had to be out there somewhere. It was almost like she and Alix had a silent agreement to keep up each others illusions.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on June 26, 2006, 04:29:12 AM
Thanks for the information, everyone.

While I realise that there was some tension between the two at the time, I'm thinking that perhaps the description that they "couldn't stand each other" may be overstating the situation a little though?  Sorry, Eric.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 26, 2006, 05:53:12 AM
Well...It's like you love someone but you cannot bear to be with them all the time. Living togather exposed their differences of lifestyles which had changed much since they shared a room at the Yellow Palace.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 26, 2006, 10:22:05 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img062.jpg)
Still one of my favorit images the two sisters together athe the marriage of Lady May Cambridge.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img063.jpg)
HM Queen Alexandra (Alix)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img064.jpg)
HIH Empress Maria (Minnie)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on June 27, 2006, 02:13:46 AM
I think you're right about their different lifestyles, Eric, and they both had changed much since their childhood, where they were very down to earth. They both had been celebrated for their beauty and charming nature in England and Russia, and they got used to being in the center of the court and their new countries first ladies. It was easier for them to meet in Denmark, because there they were equal, even after their parents had died. And one must also remember that Minny was a little vain, and it must have been hard for her to adjust to a modest life again, after having lived in extraordinary luxury and unbelieveable wealth for over 50 years. Not to mention the loss of so many she loved.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2006, 07:06:58 AM
Well said...Both sisters sadly agreed that living in such close proximity does not work out (As Queen Alexandra was now VERY deaf, their conversations are like shouting matches). Yet they remained devoted...to the last.  :-/
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 27, 2006, 08:21:57 AM
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And one must also remember that Minny was a little vain, and it must have been hard for her to adjust to a modest life again, after having lived in extraordinary luxury and unbelieveable wealth for over 50 years. Not to mention the loss of so many she loved.

Yes so true, it must have been very hard for poor Minny. Also, having been so so beautiful, getting old is very hard, just like Princess Margaret found  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2006, 10:14:11 AM
Minnie was more pretty than beautiful (that title went to her sister Alexandra). When Sisi met her in Vienna, she wrote to her son describing the Russian Empress  looking "like a monkey".  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 27, 2006, 12:59:40 PM
Alright, pretty then!! Still hard getting old after being so admired.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 27, 2006, 04:09:10 PM
Minnie (and Alexandra for that matter) seem to have handled it better than Sisi did! At least MF & QA were out and about until the end of her life rather than hiding behind thick veils (MF & QA used light ones that didn't completely obscure their faces) and fans, unwilling to be photographed or painted--not to mention driving their health into the ground by constant extreme dieting and exercise. I'd rather look like a 'monkey' and be happy than live the way EE did.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 27, 2006, 09:50:55 PM
Indeed...Minnie had been loved and adored during her years in Russia. Taking a backseat in England must really be hard for her (especially since she was still so smart and alert while Alix was so scatter-brained). Yes, although there was this rumour that both sisters went for plastic surgery in Paris... ::)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 28, 2006, 09:20:55 AM
Oooh no not that story agian, I dont think those rumours were true.
Offcourse the didnt like it getting older, but plastic surgery that goes a bit far.
Dont you think?
The both had their own charmes untill the end, and looked not that bad for thier age.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img077.jpg)
Prince Olav of Norway and his Grandmother Queen Alexandra.
I read a short part of King Olav's memoires thier were some great things about his Mother,Grandmother and her Sister.
I will wright something down about that soon.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 28, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
King Olav's memoirs ? Now there is somthing that needs to be translated into English !  :P

Yes that story again....I wouldn't believe such things before. However after it was revealed that Queen Maud went to a ferility clinic in England to get pregnant (the Norweigan Royals still invites the author to royal gatherings... :o). I wouldn't pass anything as impossible anymore. Anyway Sisi herself was rumoured to have tried a technique called "enemelling "her face (with diasterous results), so Alix could have been tempted to try it...maybe ?  :-?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on June 28, 2006, 10:19:07 AM
Yes I understand why you are thinking that, maybe it was possible I dont know?
I also heared about the story of '' enamelled'', I read about a person how saw Alexandra looking enamelled.
She was not allowed standing in the rain, or the eamel got of her face showing her real face.
But that rumour wasnt true, because thier were many people that have seen Alexandra standindgin the rain.
Ant wenn youre wearing enamell, youre face looks really fake.


RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on June 28, 2006, 01:03:59 PM
Thank you for the pic RN. QA looks very graceful in that hat and veil. Would love to know what Olav wrote :)

I think the plastic surgery storys are nonsense :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on June 28, 2006, 01:43:18 PM
I remember reading the 'enamelled' coment--I think at least one place was in Battiscombe's bio on QA. I always took it to mean that QA was wearing a lot of makeup--powder and rouge most likely--to conceal her age (though it had the reverse effect) rather than having undergone any procedure. Wearing a lot of powder could create a look of being enamelled, plus it would just be for that particular apperance rather than a continual effect like having a procedure would have.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on June 30, 2006, 10:35:41 PM
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Well...It's like you love someone but you cannot bear to be with them all the time. Living togather exposed their differences of lifestyles which had changed much since they shared a room at the Yellow Palace.  :(



Absolutely.  I always say of my sister-I love her to bits, but I love her a lot more when we're NOT living in the same house!

;)

Seriously, you had two, very strong-willed, very vibrant, stubborn women who probably got on each other's nerves.  That's all.  Strong personalities like their's were bound to clash from time to time.  Doesn't mean they didn't love each other.  

One of my favorite pictures of Alix is one she sent Tsar Nicholas, of her with a little kitten.  I THINK it's in Love, Power and Tragedy.  Unfortunately, I do not have a scanner.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: edwardcharles on July 01, 2006, 06:42:13 AM
Are you sure that the 2 sisters are at Lady May Cambriges wedding didnt she get married in 1931?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kimberly on July 01, 2006, 08:32:08 AM
Re the plastic surgery....I don't think these ladies went "under the knife" but rather, maybe had a chemical peel.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 01, 2006, 11:22:15 AM
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Are you sure that the 2 sisters are at Lady May Cambriges wedding didnt she get married in 1931?

I think it's Lady Mary Cambridge.

May was Alge's daughter but the other brother, Adolphus, had a daughter Mary. After the name change, she went from Princess Mary of Teck to Lady Mary Cambridge. She married the Duke of Beaufort in 1923.

She was a favorite with the British royal family, especially her uncle GV.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on July 01, 2006, 11:28:52 AM
I read in some book or another that there was a sort of combination of dermabrasion and chemical peel that involved abrading the face with an old spoon until it was one big wound, then covering it over with enamel.  I don't think either Alix or Minnie would be QUITE stupid enough to try such a technique!

At least, I hope not!

How well did Thyra age?  

I wouldn't have put it past either one of them though to color their hair.  
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on July 02, 2006, 05:16:20 AM
Thyra aged quickly compared to her two sisters, but she never tried to fight against time. Her hair became white early, but she wore it with grace, and Thyra certainly never tried to dye it. If she'd ever been Queen of Hannover, perhaps she would have tried to keep her youthful look, but as a mere duchess, and relatively unknown, she probaly did'nt found worth the effort to fight the traces of time.
Maybe her speeding aging was caused by her distress over her daughter she had at the age of 19, and had to give away after the birth. Then she had typhiod fever, and after a couple of years of marriage, she began she act very strangely, wandering around in the castle in the middle of the night, claiming she could hear a crying child. Poor Thyra :'(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on July 02, 2006, 11:44:05 AM
Was she the one who was pregnant by a footman?  

ETA: Here are some nice pictures:

One with Alix and Minnie as young girls:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alixandminnieasyounggirls.jpg)

One of a young Alix:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/alexandraofdenmark1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: kmerov on July 03, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
Paget, Walpurga, 3.5 1839 - 11.10 1929
I don't have any further details about her, but she wrote "Embassies of other days and further recollections", which I havn't read yet, but I think it could be interesting!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Angie_H on July 03, 2006, 06:40:10 PM
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It was also because MF found it difficult to accept that Alix had become old and weak, she did'nt like the english food or weather, and there was also the position question. Alix was lady number one in England, and Minny was just a refugee. And she would rather be number one at Hvidore than number two at Sandringham.
Their relation became a little better after MF went to Denmark, and she was devastated when she heard that Alix had died in 1925. She felt that she has lost the last one from her own generation, she really could confide and talk to about Nicky, Alicky and the children, who had to be out there somewhere. It was almost like she and Alix had a silent agreement to keep up each others illusions.
Alix wasn't really lady number one in England at that time. It was Queen Mary wasn't it? And that is another way Dagmar caused tension. In Russia the Empress Dowager had precedence over the reigning Empress, but in England May had precendence over Alix and Dagmar kept egging Alix on to change it. I'm sure that is something that did not endear her too much with her nephew George.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 03, 2006, 11:05:31 PM
Well, Queen Mary was the #1 royal lady unless QA was around. When the 2 were together, GV regularly gave deference to his mother and it was her arm that he took. If anyone would resent MF's influence, it was QM. That was the case in 1910 when MF came to console her widowed sister and tried to get her to exert privileges that she didn't have and run things the Russian way.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on July 04, 2006, 04:06:53 AM
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Was she the one who was pregnant by a footman?

Yes, Wilhelm Marker was his name. He comitted suicide in shame of what he had done to his dear princess, when he found out that Thyra was pregnant. Thyra was devestated when she heard that he was dead.
Alix was furious when the preussians began to press the story at the time of Thyra's engagement and wedding to Ernst August. She said those nasty preussians only tried to ruin the reputation of the danish royal family, and her poor sister's happiness.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: CountessKate on July 07, 2006, 02:28:58 AM
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Was she the one who was pregnant by a footman?

I don't think he was a footman, wasn't he in the army?  A footman impregnated a princess from one of the smaller German royal families, Mecklenburg or Schwerin or something, and I think it was Queen Mary who was very helpful and practical towards the poor young woman, whose family virtually threw her out.  Thyra's family at least were very protective and did their utmost to ensure she didn't receive the usual harsh treatment meted out to women for such 'transgressions' in the Victorian era, not least public exposure.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 07, 2006, 08:44:55 AM
Yes, Marie of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was impregnanted by a footman. She was the granddaughter GDss Augusta who was born Pss Augusta of Cambridge. Thus, Marie's father was Queen Mary's first cousin. The family basically disowned her, refusing to hear her name, but her grandmother sided with her as did QM, who brought Queen Victoria and Prince George along with her. Mary even appeared alongside the girl in public, riding in an open carriage.

The family eventually married her off to an abusive husband who flagrantly cheated on her--most notably with Infanta Eulalia--until Marie finally divorced him. Rumor had it that her younger brother died in a duel with the husband, Count Jametel.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 07, 2006, 03:48:01 PM
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Are you sure that the 2 sisters are at Lady May Cambriges wedding didnt she get married in 1931?

I think it's Lady Mary Cambridge.

May was Alge's daughter but the other brother, Adolphus, had a daughter Mary. After the name change, she went from Princess Mary of Teck to Lady Mary Cambridge. She married the Duke of Beaufort in 1923.

She was a favorite with the British royal family, especially her uncle GV.

yes youre absolutly right!!!

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on July 08, 2006, 11:52:51 AM
Im going to write down some of the peices out of the memoires from King Olav V of Norway.
Its about his Grandmother ( Queen Alexandra of Great Brittian) and his ''old Aunt'' Minnie ( Empress Maria Feodorovna of Russia)

Queen Alexandra of Great Brittian ( his Grandmother)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/81660_128564.jpg)
Olav's Grandparernst the King and Queen of England in there ''glitter and glamour''

I always been verry fond of my Grandmother, since I was verry little.
I also stayed with her at Marlborough House, wenn I was in the city of London.
We have even lifed with her at Sandringham fore a short while, it was in the year 1919 just after the first world war.
Oure House ''Appleton'' ( wedding gift of my parents in 1896 from Alexandra and Edward) wasnt ready to move in jet, so we stayed whit her fore a weak in '' The Big House''.

Empress Maria Feodorovna of Russia ( his '' old Aunt Minnie'')
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/81480_128384.jpg)
''Old Aunt Minnie'' ant htier family before she got married fromleft to right Alexandra his great grandparents Christain and Louise and Dagmar.

Oure Russian family lived kind of isolated, there has never been a real warm band whit them, attleast I think.
"Aunt Minnie'' was the closest to use, I remember her verry well, and still think of here sometimes.
She had visited use a couple of times before the war, and played whit me wenn we where in Bygdoy.
''Youre old- Aunt ''Minnie'' my mother always said to me, ''Youre old-Aunt ''Minnie'' also my father said that to me, because it was pffcourse there own Aunt.
She was the sister of Queen Maud's mother ( Queen Alexandra) and a sister of my father's father (King Fredrik VIII).
Both of them belonged to the huge family of my Greatgrandfather ''Christian IX".
But I also called her ''Aunt Minnie'', just like my parents did is was a nickname fore Marie.
Ant Marie wasnt only the name she used as wife of the Czar of Russia, it was one of her Christing names.
The name Dagmar, like the danish people prefered to call her was also a christing name, but she was ''Aunt Minnie'' fore all three of use. She was my Grandmother's favorit sister, a sparkling personalaty who was treated hard by life.
Her period wenn she was on her verry best, was wenn she was Czarina of Russia wife of the Czar.
It was the role she loved to play, and she did it whit great devotion.
The little princess Dagmar, who left her home in Denmark near Copenhagen to mary the heir to the trone of Russia ''Sacha''. She didnt need much time to turn in to a beloved Empress ''Maria Feodorovna", in the Palace of St. Petersbourg she velt home right away.
First as Grandduchess and later as Czarina, that she became on the day her Father-Law was murdered.
She was the one who helped, to clean the face of the deiing Czar Alexander II her father-inlaw.
But the period were she was on her best, unexperctedly stoped wenn her beloved husband ''Sacha'' died.
He became sick during a hunting fest in Polen, a German doctor had to tell the sad Empress that her husband was suffering from a accut form of the disease of Bright ( it infects youre kidney''s)
I a couple of days the once so Strong ''Bear'' collapsed in front of her eyes, and the poor man died in a chair looking out over the Black sea trew a window.( that was in the year 1894)
Also the new ''Czar'' was at the death''chair'' of his father, ''Minnie'' knew he wasnt a strong leader and he also got married to a Princess of Hesse.
His father didnt liked the match but in the end he gave the two his blessing, but his mother never managed to like the ''German Princess''.
The woman who only gave birth to girls and wenn she finally gave birth to a boy, he suffered the horrible decise haemophilia.
And wenn the desperate Empress searched fore help, she fell right in to the claws of Rasputin.
That was the beginning of the end and that man was mostly responsible fore the end of the Russian Royal Family.
If I remember it corectly, it was in the late summer of 1918 wenn there came messages that said that the whole Russian Royal fanily was mureded. At first no one believed it was true, but there wasnt room fore doubst anymore.
And the official annoucment came, the Cousin of both my parents and his family were killed.
The Empress Dowager was a the Krim at the time the messages came to her, she refused to believe this.
And was fore shore it was a sneaky trick of the Red's and that her beloveds were in real brought to Siberia.
She tought the bolsjewick didnt dare to touch ''Nicky'' and his family, this story she believed in untill the end of her life ( ten years later 1928) With protest she entered the English ship ''H.M.'s Marlborough her sister Alexandra sended, the commander almost had to drag her on board.

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The Empress Dowager on the deck of the Marlborough wenn she is going in excile on april the 20 1919.
She asks her Daugther-inlaw(Irna Joessoepov) to keep her binoculars as long as possible, so she can she her beloved Russia untill the end.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on July 08, 2006, 01:49:39 PM
Just had to write about the day I had yesterday.  I paid another visit to the Royal Photographic Collection at Windsor Castle for a bit more research.  Last time I was looking at images of A but this time I had requested to look at the travel albums for the various European cruises that she took in the 1890s and 1900s.  They were fantastic!  A couple of them are featured in Frances Dimond's book but to see them and handle them was just a joy.  Her watercolours that have been pasted into the 1893 Norwegian album are beautiful.  Her handwriting was very difficult to decipher but after a while I got my eye in and it became easier.

A particularly poignant album was that of the Russian Reval cruise in 1908 when Edward and Alexandra met up with the Romanovs on a joint cruise.  The album is full of happy family snaps with funny little captions that Alexandra has written in underneath.  She collected all the ephemera of the trip such as dinner menus, entertainment programmes and on a couple she obviously asked all the family to sign one.  So there are the signatures of Nicky and his wife and children all captured on this happy gathering.

There was a great enthusiasm behind each of these albums - she clearly loved meeting people, taking photographs of all of the sites, collecting newspaper clippings of their movements.  There were telegrams from Bertie included as he checked up on her progress on trips that she took without him.  They were so full of life and it was a real privelige to see them.  Next month Kensington Palace and The Dresses!!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2006, 12:20:23 AM
Dear Kate_S, are you researching a book ? Do tell... ;)

Thanks royal-netherlands for sharing Olav's memoirs with us.  ;) It is exicting to her things from the inside. As I do not read Norweigen. Even if I had the book, it would not have helped.  
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on July 10, 2006, 07:50:57 AM
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Dear Kate_S, are you researching a book ? Do tell... ;)

Thanks royal-netherlands for sharing Olav's memoirs with us.  ;) It is exicting to her things from the inside. As I do not read Norweigen. Even if I had the book, it would not have helped.  

Hi Eric

I'm just at the start of my PhD researching Alexandra's life through her choices of dress.  I am so enjoying it already.  There are so many resources out there to dip into and I have only just begun.  I've been given a travel scholarship from the Costume Society which is why I am all of a sudden able to visit lots of archives.  I can't wait to see the dresses in the Royal Collection though.  They don't have too many - just two or three I think, as well as the wedding dress.  They do have lots of smaller items such as stockings, handkerchiefs and nightdresses.  I will be there at the end of August with camera at the ready!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on July 10, 2006, 07:56:10 AM
What a treat Kate! And it sounds so interesting! I wish i could have some how incorporated Royalty into my degree, would have made it much more appealing! However, Physiotherapy and Queen Victorias family does not really go.

When I win the lottery im going to give up my career and find a job within the Royal Collection, it would be so interesting.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on July 10, 2006, 08:31:28 AM
Wouldn't that be great!  I was thinking as I got to Windsor how fantastic it must be to work up in the Round Tower amongst all those amazing archives every day!  I am hoping to visit again soon as there are about 14 years worth of Alexandra's wardrobe accounts there.  I have a photocopy from one which the archivist sent to me and it is really interesting.  Unfortunately it doesn't itemize exactly what was bought, but lists the amounts spent at various establishments.  I study in between helping to run my husband's business and charging around after a two year old, but it's great fun
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Faberge on July 10, 2006, 11:10:40 AM
Such an exciting exchange, Eddieboy and Kate !

Alexandra's  accounts  would likely be fascinating. So many of the shops and establishments from her era still exist from London to Norfolk to Scotland. I'm curious. ;)
Just imagine the quantities of whalebone and ribbon !
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 10, 2006, 11:17:22 AM
Indeed ! However QA also ordered her gowns from Worth, France. So I think a trip to Paris maybe necessary. Also she also bought some costume jewelry there.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on July 10, 2006, 02:48:38 PM
Get me on that Eurostar!  Paris would be good.  I already have my sights set on New York where the largest number of her gowns are held at the Met so if funding and family allow, I will head across the Atlantic at some point.  Anyone in NYC?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 27, 2006, 08:33:46 PM
Interesting...an exhibition soon ?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on July 29, 2006, 06:18:29 AM
I am hoping that one of the results of my research will be an online virtual exhibition of Alexandra's exisiting clothes but that is some way down the line yet
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 30, 2006, 09:46:55 AM
Interesting...Best of luck !
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on August 05, 2006, 05:52:18 AM
I'm just wondering if anyone knows about Alexandra's relationship with Helena and Beatrice. I had read that they were never invited to Sandringham, but Louise was. This is some what of a continuation from the Hohenzollern thread. I'm wondering if anyone knows if this is true or not. It was mentioned that about Christian being at Sandringham shooting parties, and I've seen pictures of him at these parties but never Helena. I've gotten the impression that Alexandra wasn't that fond of Helena, and Bertie perhaps a little jealous of Beatrice due to her having access to things he did not during QV's reign.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 05, 2006, 06:37:19 AM
Helena and Beatrice both seemed like very easy going and placid people, unlike Louise, can't imagine why Alix might not have liked them. In Helenas case maybe she felt she was to German, married to Christian....

On second thoughts though, I remember reading that QV sometimes found Helena quite difficult to get along with. And their was some talk of a drug habit too.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on August 05, 2006, 07:04:24 AM
Get me on that Eurostar!  Paris would be good.  I already have my sights set on New York where the largest number of her gowns are held at the Met so if funding and family allow, I will head across the Atlantic at some point.  Anyone in NYC?


July 2006 American Vogue did an editorial  spread on this exhibit!  Lots of Worth! 

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on August 05, 2006, 07:20:15 AM
Helena and Beatrice both seemed like very easy going and placid people, unlike Louise, can't imagine why Alix might not have liked them. In Helenas case maybe she felt she was to German, married to Christian....

On second thoughts though, I remember reading that QV sometimes found Helena quite difficult to get along with. And their was some talk of a drug habit too.

I have read many places that Alix & Bertie were both very close to Louise because she simply enjoyed having a good time.  She was an excellent party guest so to say and got on very well with the non-Royals Bertie perferred to socialize with at his many private "to dos" and house parties.

TampaBay
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alicky1872 on August 05, 2006, 07:49:35 AM
Don't forget, there was always the Schleswig Holstein issue in regards to Alix and Bertie's relatonship with Helena and Christian.  Though I can't imagine Alix would hold a personal grudge against Helena and her family, I could imagine both couples finding conversation a bit strained and awkward due to that--and the fact that they had almost nothing in conmon. They were polar opposites of eachother.

As for Beatrice, she was quite a bit younger than Bertie and Alix, and was the annoying little 'tattle-tale' sister at least in the early days. Didn't QV forbid her to visit Sandringham on many occasions? She was probably just so smothered by 'Mama' and her ways that a relationship with Bertie and Alix was never allowed to blossom.



Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 05, 2006, 12:39:06 PM
I agree the S-Holstein connection was probably even more important than the different personalities. I think that it was displayed in Alexandra's cutting remark about 'welcoming that beauty into the family' when dismissing Thora as a potential bride for George. It was a rather cruel remark to make. Thora's uncle Frederick had been one of the 3 claimants in the Schleswig-Holstein affair (the others being Alexandra's father, for Denmark, and the Prussians). I think it would've been an anathema for QA to have Thora as a DIL.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 06, 2006, 01:21:55 AM
I don't think by looks and temperment QA would have welcomed Thora into her family. She would have like those of her own family to marry back into rather than some "German" princess coming into her family. Hell...QA was even unhappy about the possibility of Missy marrying Georgie even though it was her husband, Alfie and QV's wish.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 09, 2006, 01:47:30 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81948_128857.jpg)
Between the interesting writings ;), a verry beatifull picture of the two sisters together.
I knew the dresses but not this pose, great picture watch the dog!!!
Does any one knows the date,place?
thank you in advance

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 09, 2006, 02:23:10 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81948_128857.jpg)
Between the interesting writings ;), a verry beatifull picture of the two sisters together.
I knew the dresses but not this pose, great picture watch the dog!!!
Does any one knows the date,place?
thank you in advance

RN :)

Great pic!! I think there is a pose with Queen Olga of Greece from this sitting,she was in a similar dress (I believe that our Forum member Speedycat posted such like). So that could be one of the gatherings in Denmark in the middle of the 1880s.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 09, 2006, 10:18:28 PM
Agreed. The one with Olga was taken outside the Fredenborg Palace. So yes it must be taken in Denmark.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 14, 2006, 12:56:08 PM
A photo of Alexandras "little johnnies" grave at Sandringham. With Queen Marys son Johns grave in the foreground. It's amazing to imagine the Royal Family in their deepest mourning standing round as the coffins were lowered into the ground...

(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9227/p8140049px2.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2006, 08:33:41 PM
Dowager Queen Alexandra, who was kind to Queen Mary's son John was sad to see him die. She sought to comforted the mother, who show little emotion upon his death.  :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on August 14, 2006, 08:56:35 PM
I've read that it's actually a myth that George and Mary ignored John-they did try and see him whenever they could.  And Mary wrote in her diary that she was heartbroken.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 14, 2006, 09:47:16 PM
It was at least a story greatly exaggerated.  He was frequently seen at public and family events and was known to the general public. It became more difficult to see him in his later years due to his parents' duties during WW1. He seems to have been comfortable and happy. QM wasn't an emotional person by nature but her diary reflected her sadness upon hearing of his death. She and George immediately motored over to see him upon hearing the news--even though The Lost Prince doesn't show GV doing this. His brother, David, on the other hand, wrote to one of his flames (Thelma Furness?) of his irritation at being summoned back to attend the memorial service, considering his brother little more than 'an animal'. (This letter has been published in a book of letters David wrote)  >:(

Anyway, off one of my pet peeves and back to QA. She had been devoted to Johnnie and, having less to do as she aged, and living at Sandringham, visited him quite frequently in his last years.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 14, 2006, 10:37:15 PM
You are right. The only sibling that shown Johnny any love was Georgie (the future Duke of Kent), who visited him from time to time. QA was also kind to him and fetched him to Sandringham,while she can. It is not fair to say that QA did that just because she had nothing to do. She was mother by nature, whereas QM wasn't. It wasn't only the Duke of Windsor who critizied his mother, but also Vicky (Empress Frederich) who wrote of QM's  lack of maternal instict.  :-\
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 15, 2006, 06:24:30 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81397_128301.jpg)
Prince John of Wales. :(

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 15, 2006, 06:30:40 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/81782_128686.jpg)
The Wales family in Mourning of the death of Prince Albert Victor (Duke of Clarence and Avondale) in the year 1892.
From left ro right: Princess Maud (Queen Norway) her mother Princess Alexandra of Wales (Later Queen Alexandra),Princess Louise (Duchess of Fife)
Prince George (King George V) and Princess Victoria.
Look at Alexandra playing with one of her dogs. :D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 15, 2006, 11:57:02 AM
I wasn't implying that it was just because she had nothing to do. It's just that it made it easier for her than some, she was close by (rather than in London) and it made her somewhat lonely years less lonely. Of course she did it because she loved him. No, QM wasn't an outwardly affectionate person but anyone who'd call his sweet young brother an 'animal' and resent giving up his partying to go to his funeral isn't really in a position to call someone else icy.  >:(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on August 15, 2006, 11:58:36 AM
Exactly!! Pot calling the kettle black!! I believe he only called her that because he wan't getting his own way! ;D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 15, 2006, 11:04:33 PM
True...but that also did not escape Vicky's judgement. She was a wise observer that saw through May's lack of maternal instict. Even her biographer wrote that she did not want anything to do with babies until they became older and "more interesting". Alix, on the other hand, was very motherly and loved to keep her children in the land of make believe. It would be natural for  "Motherdear" that tend to care for "poor Johnny".
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 15, 2006, 11:16:45 PM
Well, Vicky also thought Maud and Toria prettier than Alix and Ella, so her judgment wasn't always the best.  ;) But this thread isn't about Queen Mary.

I'm sure having his grandmother around him was one of the best things that could've happened to him in his last years. She no longer had her own children to spoil, and even the majority of her grandchildren were growing and moving on with their lives. I'm sure he helped brighten her days. She also responded very naturally to those with disabilities, having 2 of her own (lameness and deafness), and Johnnie would've found a very sympathetic and compassionate figure.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on August 15, 2006, 11:20:12 PM
Wait a minute though-Vicky wouldn't have been talking about May's attitudes towards Johnnie, since she died before he was born.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 15, 2006, 11:23:18 PM
I think she was referring to May's dealings with her children born prior to 1901. She only would've been around May and the children very few times though--probably the longest period would've been in 1897 during the Diamond Jubilee.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2006, 03:35:00 AM
Exactly ! Vicky had acutely predicted that Alicky would became a person who believe her powers as being the Empress of Russia ,when QV was still thinking her granddaughter would be intimidated by it all. Vicky also appreciated Alix's (Princess of Wales)mothering, and May's cold attitude must have struck her as totally different from her mother-in-law.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Guinastasia on August 16, 2006, 04:43:18 PM
May, I believe, wasn't cold so much as she was very shy.  Same as Alicky. 

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 16, 2006, 04:52:17 PM
Shy and reserved. A shame when it came to her children. She loved them and was good with them in many ways but not in supplying the emotional care they needed.

Queen Alexandra with her grandson David

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/Picture2207QADavidW.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on August 16, 2006, 06:24:31 PM
May, I believe, wasn't cold so much as she was very shy.  Same as Alicky. 



I agree to a point.  May was reserved and shy but I don't believe she was ever cold.  Alicky, on the other hand, was described as very cold to most people outside her immediate family.

I don't believe these two were alike at all.

I love that photo GDE has posted of Alix with David!

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Prince_Lieven on August 16, 2006, 06:56:49 PM
Alicky certainly didn't have May's common sense!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 16, 2006, 07:18:52 PM
Alicky insist having her own way and was hysterical, while May was practical and would never disobey her husband. >:(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: aussiechick12 on August 20, 2006, 02:39:34 AM
Some of my favourites:

June 1861
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixJune31861.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixJune31861.jpg)

Alix, Dagmar (facing the camera) and Thyra (on the horse) taken in 1856, one of the earliest photo's of them
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixDagmar-facingcameraandThyraonho.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixDagmar-facingcameraandThyraonho.jpg)

Windsor Castle November 1862
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixNovember1862WindsorCastle.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixNovember1862WindsorCastle.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 20, 2006, 11:35:35 AM
Great pictures!!!!
And thank you fore the one with David gdella,never saw it before.
Here are some more shots of a beloved Queen.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixmaydavidBP.jpg)
Here is also one with her grandson David and his Mother Queen Mary on the balcony of Buckingham palace.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/image24.jpg)
Alix with a small part of her family.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixonroseday.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixmayroseday.jpg)
Alix on Alexandra Rose day in Mourning and whit her Daughter in law Queen Mary.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixbertiesmiling.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixbertiesmile.jpg)
the Royal Couple together on visits smiling!!!!
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixoldwoman.jpg)(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixinmourning.jpg)
The beloved Queen wen she becomes older and Alix in mourning looking sad.(beatifull picture)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alixwhitewardobe.jpg)
The Youthfull Queen dressed in a white wardrobe with rose's.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: aussiechick12 on August 22, 2006, 04:00:53 AM

Alix in the Summer of 1867 when she was recovering for rheumatic fever:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixSummer1867Recoveringfromrheumat.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixSummer1867Recoveringfromrheumat.jpg)

Alix and Albert Victor 1864:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixandAlbertVictor1864.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixandAlbertVictor1864.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix16.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix16.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix27.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix27.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix28.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix28.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 22, 2006, 05:42:41 AM
I found this two amazing picture's of Queen Alexandra on Ebay.
I had do share them with you all.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/ddw.jpg)
this is the cauption:"Duke of Devonshire's Third Daughter married to Mr Harold MacMillan at St Margaret's Westminster. The Duke of Devonshire and Queen Alexandra. Behind are seen Prince Albert and the Duchess of Devonshire".
And this one is thier two.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/qaw.jpg)
"Lady Dorothy Cavendish's wedding : Arrival of Queen Alexandra".

Aren't the great?

RN :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2006, 11:17:09 AM

Alix in the Summer of 1867 when she was recovering for rheumatic fever:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_AlixSummer1867Recoveringfromrheumat.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/AlixSummer1867Recoveringfromrheumat.jpg)

Apparently she was still really weak from her illness when this was taken. They carried her into a little tent on the Sandringham estate that was set up for the photos in this series. It probably could've waited but the public was very anxious to see that their beloved princess was really on the mend. The photo series became immensely popular--as was the series taken when she was more recovered that shows her with Pss Louise on her back. She looks much healthier in that series whereas you can really see the toll her illness had taken on her in this one.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: aussiechick12 on August 22, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
That's the only one I have of the series - does anyone have any others from the photo series?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2006, 06:18:26 PM
Alix, Bertie & their 3 children:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/6749.jpg)

and with their 2 eldest:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/a9_31.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/AlexandraFamily1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on August 22, 2006, 06:24:50 PM

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/th_Alix27.jpg) (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/aussiechick12/Windsors/Queen%20Alexandra/Alix27.jpg)


Aussiechick12,

Do you know what occasion this was taken for? I've never seen it, and really like it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2006, 06:40:27 PM
There's also a colored lithograph from the sitting

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/10083759a.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 22, 2006, 08:25:56 PM
Looks like it was taken during her years as Queen. It has a grandeur that was not evident during her years as PRincess of Wales.  ???
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
No, it was while she was POW. The litho was in a book that was published in the last months of QV's reign--Royalties of the World. Maybe during some of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations? It looks like it could be for a court event.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on August 22, 2006, 09:26:37 PM
"Duke of Devonshire's Third Daughter married to Mr Harold MacMillan at St Margaret's Westminster. The Duke of Devonshire and Queen Alexandra. Behind are seen Prince Albert and the Duchess of Devonshire".

I have a hunch Mr. McMillan became Foreign Minister under Mr. Churchill in WW2 and then PM himself in the late 50s to early 60s. He calmly asked for a translation while addressing the UN as Nikita Kruschev berated him from the USSR delegation.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 22, 2006, 10:15:05 PM
Could be...

Are we talijng about the same photo here ? Sounds a bit confused now... ???
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 22, 2006, 10:26:28 PM
No, he's referring to the group of photos of QA posted by Royal Netherlands on the previous page.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 23, 2006, 06:18:40 AM
Thanks for the information and wonderfull pictures here are some more of Alix and her family.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img212.jpg)
Queen Alexandra then Princess of Wales with the future King George v seated on his mother's knee.
Next to her her husband King Edward VII Prince of Wales back then with the young Duke of Clarence. (Albert Victor)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img213.jpg)
And a close-up of Queen Alexandra taken from the same photo from 1867.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img214.jpg)
A family Party, from left to right: Princess Louise(Duchess of Fife) Prince Albert-Victor(Duke of Clarence) Princess Maud(Queen of Norway) Prince George(King of Great-Britian) and Princess Victoria(''Toria'')
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img215.jpg)
The cauption is the following: The young midshipmen Greet their Mother in the ''Bacchante''
The Princess of Wales, later Queen Alexandra, greets her two sons on their return home from a voyage to the West Indies in the ''Bacchante"
in which they received their first experience of life in Navy.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 23, 2006, 06:26:01 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img217.jpg)
A beatiful picture of Queen Alexandra and King George V taken at a Wedding in 1922 (Mountbatten wedding)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/img218.jpg)
Close-up of Queen Alexandra from the same picture.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on August 23, 2006, 06:27:12 PM
There's also a colored lithograph from the sitting

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/10083759a.jpg)

Thanks gdella. Now that you show that picture, I realize I have seen it, as I have that book it's from. Just didn't recognize it in B&W I guess.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 23, 2006, 07:15:03 PM
Alix, Bertie & their 3 children:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/6749.jpg)


I love this picture and own a CDV of it. I hadn't seen the others. Thanks GDella!

It's an interesting sitting in that it's so unusual to see Alexandra so frail (until older age that is) and lacking the sparkle that comes through in her photos. You can really see it in the old magazine photo that Royal Netherlands blew up--the look in her eyes is one of exhaustion.  Also, I think it's the only time, as an adult, she's seen with her hair down like that. It's like she was too tired to go through the usual process of sprucing up. I've collected all the poses I can find of that sitting, either through CDVs or, like RN, through old magazines--one of my favorites sources. There could still be others out there--I would think that there would be one taken with her and Louise alone, or with Bertie, but I can't think of anymore. There are more without Alexandra, though. Eddy and George both had photos taken at that time.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 23, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
There's also a colored lithograph from the sitting

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/10083759a.jpg)

Thanks gdella. Now that you show that picture, I realize I have seen it, as I have that book it's from. Just didn't recognize it in B&W I guess.

That happens to me all the time.  :) Alexandra was SO photographed that sometimes they start to blur. I've actually started to try to gather images together from various sittings in individual files so I can see all the poses.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 23, 2006, 09:00:35 PM
Indeed... She was so pretty so it was natural that she enjoyed posing and taking photos. Glad for us collectors.  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 28, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/alixi.jpg)
I found this picture of Alix with a child on ebay.
My question who's the child?
thank you  in advance.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2006, 11:18:05 AM
Princess Maud ! I have another card of the same sitting.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 28, 2006, 11:20:24 AM
Really hhahaha :D its a shame I didnt reconize her.
Thank you

RN

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2006, 08:49:53 PM
Not really...It is not easy reconize a child. I honestly would not have known without the other card.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 30, 2006, 05:58:19 AM
This was posted by a Member on the Royal jewels of the world message board,I know it has been discussed before.
But did George knew his mother felt this way, and wasn't he mad or disapointed  in his mother.
If my mother would say such a think, I dont think I would appreciate it.

From Queen Mary by James Pope-Hennessy

" ...Queen Alexandra had retired with her unmarried daughter to Sandringham. The absence of the Queen Dowager from Westminster Abbey was in accordance with tradition, for Queen Adelaide had not attended her niece Queen Victoria's Coronation; but this time it was also due to an obsession which was temporarity haunting Queen Alexandra -- that the 1911 Coronation should by rights have been the Coronation of her dead son, Prince Eddy, and not of her second son, Prince George. 'Eddy should be King, not Georgie', she kept saying, to the embarrassment of her entourage. "

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/alexandrageorge.jpg)

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on August 30, 2006, 08:23:19 AM
It may have hurt somewhat but I'm sure he understood. It wasn't a 'slam' on him personally or a lack of faith in his ability, just a painful reminder for a still-grieving mother of her lost son. If Eddy had lived, this would've been the pinnacle of his life--to be crowned King. It's only natural that such an occasion, with all the attention paid to it, that it would stir up those memories. It probably crossed GV's mind as well. It's not as if she wished one son was alive over the other--now that would hurt.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on August 30, 2006, 08:29:56 AM
I don't think George was either mad with his mother over this, nor disappointed in her, RN.  :)

I think that he accepted Alexandra's grief over the death of her firstborn child and George felt pretty much the same way as his mother although being married and having a family since Eddy's death perhaps helped him to "move on" more than Alexandra was ever able to.  I have never read his reaction to his mother saying over and over "Eddy should be king, not Georgie" on the day of his coronation but he surely must have found out about it later.  I am sure he did not take it as disloyalty -- he knew he had a special place in his mother's heart too.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 30, 2006, 09:12:10 AM
As a matter of fact. With Eddy gone...Little Georgie had Mother Dear all to himself. The fasination that Alix wought over her son is still powerful. He knew her faults but loved her nonetheless.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 30, 2006, 09:36:54 AM
Yes I understand thank you fore explanning it so wel gdella,Grace and Eric.
Offcourse the day brought back memoiries and it hurts to a mother if youre child had to celebrate this day and he is gone.
And George much have felt the same like you said Grace, she loved all her childeren.
Poor Alix it must have been a hard day fore her.
Maybe that's why her daughter Toria stayed with her?, to comfort her on this day.
Because Toria was alloud to be at the coronation wasnt she?
Just what I said at the RJW message board,Poor Toria missing all the excitment and glamour of the coronation.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/albertbritain1864-10-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on August 30, 2006, 09:55:17 AM
Yes, you're right, RN, and thanks for the lovely photo of Alix with her two cherished boys.  :D

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 30, 2006, 11:43:58 AM
You're Welcomme Grace! ;D
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/albertbritain1864-9.jpg)
And here are her three precious girls with their cherished brother ;D.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 30, 2006, 08:25:02 PM
I think QA loved her boys more than her girls. (just my thought).  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 31, 2006, 10:42:12 AM
Well I hope she didnt  :-\
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/AlexColoured2.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/AlexColoured1.jpg)
A Princess of Wales in Color.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 31, 2006, 10:51:18 AM
Dont now if this fore been posted before.(can't remember it :P)
But you never get tired looking at picture's of her, so I don't think will bother.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/186209ghemarfreres4rp.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/186207georgehansen3bm.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/186211jjemayall5ub.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/opzich/Royals%20past%20and%20present/186406robertbinghama6ho.jpg)
1The happy married couple? (ore their in their engagement) ???
2The princess sitting on a chair in the year 1862.
3 Reading a book.
4And Alexandra on her Wedding day.

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alicky1872 on August 31, 2006, 02:51:05 PM
The first photo (engagement) one that RN posted has always reminded me of Charles and Diana, 120 years earlier! Alix's coquettish head tilt and cheeky grin almost identical to Diana's--and Bertie standing there so solemn. "Are you in love?"...can almost hear him saying "Whatever 'in love' means."  ;D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: royal_netherlands on August 31, 2006, 03:14:54 PM
yes you're right she looks like Diana in this picture the expresion that is.

fantastic!!!!! :D

RN
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 31, 2006, 08:35:34 PM
I agree...It so similar that's scary !  :-\
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 05, 2006, 09:21:11 AM
Do any photos exist of Queen Alexandras arrival in England in 1862??  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 05, 2006, 10:36:54 AM
Just a portrait...now in the NPG in London.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 05, 2006, 11:00:06 AM
Yes i've seen that, it is lovely and very impressive. Would be suprised if no photos existed though....
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2006, 11:00:35 AM
There were a good number of sketches published in the illustrated periodicals around that time--I haven't ever seen a photograph though. Journalistic photographs were pretty rare back then. Some portraits were later reproduced in various magazines around the time of QV's Jubilees as well as the Coronation special in 1902.

Here is one portrait

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/10100073a.jpg)

Here is a link to the famous portrait in the NPG

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=alexandra&LinkID=mp00072&rNo=0&role=sit
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on September 05, 2006, 11:08:21 AM
Thank you GD Ella, I thought Alexandra arrived in England in 1862 but appears it was 1863!! Also in the NPG is a lovely big sculpture of Victoria and Albert, apparently commisioned at Vickys request!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on September 05, 2006, 11:21:36 AM
I think she might've made a visit in 1862 to be 'looked over' by QV.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Keith on September 05, 2006, 06:45:53 PM
I think her "official" arrival in England is considered 1863, but she was invited to Osborne in 1862 by QV to be "looked over". I believe Alix's Mother was a bit annoyed as she wasn't even invited, and it was made clear to Christian that the invite to Osborne was for Alexandra only. This was considered a private visit. I can't remember off the top of my head if it was before or after the engagement.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Zanthia on September 07, 2006, 01:27:24 AM
I think number four is taken for the sitting for Winterhalter's portrait of her, but it's a beautiful picture anyway.

Victoria was a little nervous,so Alix was to be "inspected". QV wanted her to stay longer, but Louise insisted that she returned to celebrate her last birthday in Denmark before the marriage. QV was so charmed by her, and her daugthers too, even though they started by saying she only took Bertie for his position and money.

Bertie had been sent away while Alix was in England, but he surprised her with a quick visit when she was on her way home. Wether or not he was in love with her is doubtful, but I think he was or became very fond of her.

I'm starting a new thread now ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 07, 2006, 03:11:52 AM
Indeed ! He grew fond of her but didn't really "loved" her... :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on July 09, 2007, 01:05:37 AM
Dear Discussion Group,

I have some sad to say very little cdv's about the lovely Pss Alexandra of Denmark. I would be grateful, if you can post them in bigger/highquality version (and/or other pieces of the sessions).

Thank you in advance  ;)
Synnadene

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on July 10, 2007, 06:22:04 AM
You have some beautiful ones, synnadene.  :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/QAofUKa1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Obesemia/Alixhair.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on July 10, 2007, 07:49:54 AM
Thanks Grace, your pics are nice too.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on July 17, 2007, 11:42:48 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/3009131.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/95.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/fa14_3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/ee_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on July 17, 2007, 11:44:37 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/023.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/13_1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/8f_1_b.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/89_1_b.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/64_3-.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on July 19, 2007, 02:47:24 AM
Thank you very much, Svetabel, excellent pics!!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Mary R. on July 25, 2007, 05:31:24 PM
Lovely pictures! I always found it harder to find pictures of Alexandra in her younger years! Thanks for sharing!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 25, 2007, 10:26:20 PM
There are a number of them on the Alexandra threads--I think we're on Part VI now? There aren't so many photos from her childhood, mostly due to the relative poverty of her parents, but more as she entered into her teen years and the early years of her marriage.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Mary R. on July 25, 2007, 11:20:41 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Grandduchessella! I believe I will peruse through the old threads!  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 25, 2007, 11:39:02 PM
You'll be very pleased, I'm sure.  :) Many of the CDVs can be found on those pages as well. Some of the threads are pretty old now but they're all really long.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Mary R. on July 25, 2007, 11:49:29 PM
I've already started and am most definitely pleased! I'm still somewhat new and certainly missed a bit, I'll catch up.  :)

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on July 26, 2007, 08:02:12 AM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/20120051w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/queen%20alexandra/10_3w.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on July 27, 2007, 07:42:55 AM

Nice ones, many thanks GDssElla!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: dmitri on August 01, 2007, 08:56:53 AM
Alexandra was quite, quite lovely.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: lori_c on August 01, 2007, 09:51:48 AM
In the pictures of her in earlier years you can see how much she resembled MF and why George V and Nicholas looked so much alike.  And what an elegant Queen she made. What a lovely lovely lady.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: TampaBay on August 03, 2007, 07:28:42 AM
I think Alix looked better in middle age (from the age of 40 on) than she did when she was young, much like Diana.  The antbellum clothes (Mary Todd Lincoln dreeses I call them) and cork screw hair styles did not suit Alix as well as the dresses and hair style she wore from the 1880's on.

TampaBay



Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 07, 2007, 12:57:45 AM

Thank you for your quick help, GDssElla!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on August 11, 2007, 11:03:53 AM
I understand she had her pictures touched up, but even so, she is gorgeous. I also doubt she had this done when she was younger.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: kity on August 16, 2007, 12:11:17 AM
here's another one.


(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/AlexDagmar72.jpg)

Alex, future queen of Britain, mother of George V and her beloved younger sister Dagmar, future empress of Russia, mother of the last tsar Nicholas II.
This photo was taken when they were princess of Denmark so i guess it was before 1863.
Alex looks very elegant with that beautiful dress and Dagmar looks cute.


Dear synnadene
You seem to have many rare cdvs of pss Alexandra's, I'd appreciate if you would post alex's photos as much as you can.
'cause I am sort of addicted to her. :)
And I promise I will keep posting her photos that I've collected so far.  ;)


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 02:43:18 AM
and i found this breathtaking photo somewhere in this forum.


yes, a long ago I posted that photo. I agree the photo is one of the best of Alexandra. :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 02:59:11 AM

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/walescdv32at.jpg)
this is the original one i think.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/PrincessofWales.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/PrinceandPrincessofWales.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 07:03:57 AM

Great, Svetabel!  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 07:06:42 AM

Dear synnadene
You seem to have many rare cdvs of pss Alexandra's, I'd appreciate if you would post alex's photos as much as you can.
'cause I am sort of addicted to her. :)
And I promise I will keep posting her photos that I've collected so far.  ;)


I promise, that I will post as many pictures as I have and will have...  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Mary R. on August 16, 2007, 09:20:19 AM
Your collection is so impressive! Thanks for sharing!

Mary R.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 16, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/_wales1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/63.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 16, 2007, 02:51:25 PM

Enthralling!!! Especially the 1st one.

Svetabel, you are inimitable!!! :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on August 16, 2007, 05:15:55 PM
Yes, I adore this thread too - thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 19, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/cc26-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 19, 2007, 02:48:00 PM

Very good! Have you more to share, dear Svetabel?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 20, 2007, 01:08:46 AM

Very good! Have you more to share, dear Svetabel?

Only larger versions of the picture posted  by you if we speak about fancy dress "Mary of Scots" :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 20, 2007, 03:53:56 AM

Can you send me that larger version, where the whole dress is showed? I have a larger version only about a detail...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 20, 2007, 05:12:14 AM

Can you send me that larger version, where the whole dress is showed? I have a larger version only about a detail...

By PM, ok? :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on August 23, 2007, 11:07:40 AM
same sitting as the first one.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/scan-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on August 23, 2007, 11:10:39 AM
The first one i just posted was taken in July 1862.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: kity on August 27, 2007, 12:13:23 AM

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/2fors.jpg)

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/christianfamily.jpg)

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/2429_b.jpg)

i will be delighted if anyone post bigger version of these photos here.  :)


here is another one i found.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd216/kity82/8bd7_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on August 27, 2007, 09:41:11 AM
one more bigger version

(http://www.picatom.com/8/Untitled50-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/8/Untitled50-1.html)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: BlueEyedDuchess on August 30, 2007, 02:35:41 AM
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/LisaFideler/2005-04-29/749c.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/LisaFideler/2005-04-29/1b33.jpg)

she was so pretty for her time and gosh even now!

I wasn't sure if there are too big....

I am new so really I have no idea.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on August 30, 2007, 02:57:35 AM

How sweet cdv's, thanks!!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: BlueEyedDuchess on August 30, 2007, 07:00:57 PM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/ElizaMcknott/Armanda%20Seville/7e_3.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/ElizaMcknott/Margot%20Owens/fffff.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/ElizaMcknott/Angelina%20Leeds/alixdenmark1844-15.jpg)

The third picture of course looks retouched.  I would have loved to have been a photo retoucher back then!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: HerrKaiser on August 30, 2007, 07:30:48 PM
in the bottom photo, Alexandra looks strikingly like Charlotte of Prussia; even the hair style.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: BlueEyedDuchess on August 30, 2007, 09:23:21 PM
yeah she does hmmm circa 1860's or so I am not sure when the picture of Alix was perhaps late 1880's or so.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: BlueEyedDuchess on August 30, 2007, 09:30:13 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/Loveies/poww.jpg)

I just love this picture!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/Loveies/powh.jpg)

I got both off of ebay.  Of course I wish I remembered from who..... 
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: dmitri on October 03, 2007, 02:41:01 AM
What a shock it must have been to Alexandra moving to United Kingdom from Denmark. Copenhagen was quite charming and still is and London is enormous and not nearly as friendly, then and now. She had no Danish ladies-in-waiting or friends allowed to accompany her.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on November 11, 2007, 09:21:43 PM
It was the most popular royal image ever according to Charlotte Zeepvatt's book. It was taken with Louise (though she's often misidentified) to show the public that Alexandra had completely recovered from the illness that she'd developed during the end of her pregnancy.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 15, 2008, 11:14:58 AM
[Here of Alix with her future mother in law

 (http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc493/th_72824_AlexandraofDenmarkwithheirmother-in_122_493lo.jpg) (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc493&image=72824_AlexandraofDenmarkwithheirmother-in_122_493lo.jpg)

Look how devastated looks Victoria
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yseult on September 15, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
A wonderful thread! I believe Alix was the more beautiful royal lady we ever had in the Old Europe ;)
There are a lot of threads focused on Alix: I suppose all her pictures had been posted. But I´d like to add these:

Alix with her sons:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/ALEXANDRA%20BRITAIN/AlixwithEddieandGeorgie.jpg)

Alix with the archbishop of Canterbury:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/ALEXANDRA%20BRITAIN/AlixwitharchbishopCanterbury.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
Nice pics of Alix. was she close to the archbishop ?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yseult on September 15, 2008, 01:58:24 PM
Nice pics of Alix. was she close to the archbishop ?

Frankly, I don´t know ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 16, 2008, 07:37:05 PM
This one of my favorites of Alix

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/393196790_675c208948.jpg)


And this one too!

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/429395437_c2fc4bc0ef.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 16, 2008, 08:15:23 PM
She, for those who love victorian and edwardian fashion (like me), is a fashion icon
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alexandre64 on September 17, 2008, 11:02:43 AM
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/England/12011050239002401.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 17, 2008, 04:57:33 PM
That is Alexandra at her most theater in looks. She appears as if she just step off a stage in Drury Lane...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on September 17, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
It was her dress for the 1913 Connaught-Fife wedding--50 years after she herself had arrived in England. There's a description of the dress on one of QA's threads.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
i dont know if this picture has been posted here before. Is one of my favorites

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1695/alexandra2iu1.jpg)


She looks so cute smiling.


Credit: i found this lovely picture in the Realeza.foros forums
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Svetabel on September 29, 2008, 09:56:26 AM


Credit: i found this lovely picture in the Realeza.foros forums

That's the photo in the cover of F.Dimond book on Queen Alexandra "Developing the picture". Marvellous book.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 29, 2008, 10:04:12 AM
thanks for the info!

I just credited the webpage where i found it. i had no idea it was a cover of a book
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 29, 2008, 01:58:23 PM
Yes. Frances Dimond is now working on a new bio on Queen Alexandra.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on October 09, 2008, 04:00:04 AM
Any more info available on this, Eric, i.e. publishing date?  Can't seem to see anything on Google.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on October 09, 2008, 06:45:07 AM
I happened to bump into Frances recently when we were both at the Royal Archive - I was researching Alexandra's wardrobe accounts and Frances was looking through some other material so she is still at the research stage.  I didn't ask her about dates but she did say it was going well.  A little while yet though I guess
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2008, 12:05:18 PM
Maybe Kate's book would be ahead of Frances's ? Who knows...I always like Alexandra's frocks !
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on October 11, 2008, 05:07:50 PM
Oh Eric, you might have to watch this space a while longer I'm afraid!  With two boys under five at home, slef employment and trying to write and research in between, it's gonna be a long haul!  Having said that it is turning into a really interesting study and the more I discover about Alexandra's sense of style, the more I love her.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 17, 2008, 08:58:45 AM
This picture is new for me. Is it just me or in this picture she s pregnant with Albert Victor¿

(http://i37.tinypic.com/2ewodaw.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Kate_S on October 18, 2008, 06:26:01 AM
I'm not sure of the exact date of the photograph although the dress and hair would certainly place it to the mid-'60s.  She may well have been in the early stages of pregnancy, but it wasn't the done thing then to have one's photograph taken when pregnant, especially if it was in the later stages and more visible, so I think it is unlikely that you would be able to identify it as such.  I know from Queen Victoria's letters to Vicky that Alexandra was able to keep her condition hidden for quite a long time.  I think it is more that that the very voluminous skirt and then the addition of the shawl does add to the billowing effect around her figure.  I may be complettely wrong of course, but to the best of my knowledge, royalty certainly would not have had their picture taken whilst pregnant.  Shame really as it would be great to see her version of maternity wear!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2008, 06:21:35 PM
I don't think she was married yet in the photo. I got a similar one from Copenhagen...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on October 18, 2008, 07:26:39 PM
Its from some time in the early 60s so she could have not yet been married.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 18, 2008, 07:46:30 PM
Thanks for the validation.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2008, 08:20:55 AM
So its was just me =D. I always suspect of pictures of victorian women  with shawls
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 19, 2008, 05:05:45 PM
Shawls are popular in Victorian times. ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2008, 06:11:54 PM
Yup and they were used a lot when pregnant women wanted to be photographed ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on October 19, 2008, 08:56:50 PM
They converted the contour of the dress from a dome with a cylinder sticking up to a cone with a rounded top.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 20, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
Sounds complicated but with big dresses it was earier to hide than now...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: tom_romanov on October 26, 2008, 04:34:01 PM
just out of interest - what colour was Alexandra's hair? ( also if you could tell me Queen Mary's too )

thanks in advance,

tom
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2008, 11:03:21 AM
I think brown for Alexandra, but I believe Queen Mary was a dark blonde as her portraits show.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: tom_romanov on October 27, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
thank you Eric.  was a little confused with Mary's hair colour as some coloured pictures show her having brown hair.

thanks again
tom
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2008, 03:52:23 PM
Yes...another hint is that the actresses that played younger versions of Mary (May) were usually blondes.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Emperor of the Dominions on October 27, 2008, 08:12:54 PM
Yes...another hint is that the actresses that played younger versions of Mary (May) were usually blondes.  ;)

I take it you mean on stage or screen?
R.I.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 28, 2008, 05:35:42 AM
Thanks for the info!. I was a bit confused since someone , on my recolored pictures, told  me that Alix had red hair! when i always colorized her with dark brown hair.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on October 28, 2008, 11:54:54 AM
I thought Alexandra was a redhead too. I believe she was portrayed as a redhead in the movie Mrs. Brown. I just checked an early image of her and see she was portrayed as a brunette.

(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/4400/2887169280094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2887169280094285158GLRLsi)

I don't know what the state-of-the-art in beauty and cosmetics was in the Belle Epoque, but both of these ladies had access to it and would have used it!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 28, 2008, 12:18:17 PM
that s how i always imagine Alix!. I cant imagine her with redhair
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: jyrkiboy on October 28, 2008, 03:55:56 PM
I remember her having redddish hair in the later episodes of Edward the Seventh (as portrayed by Helen Ryan). While she certainly was not blond, her hair might have been a shade lighter than in the photographs. It may have been because of the used chemicals (silver something I can't remember exactly) or the long exposures - I've wondered about some period photographs depicting golden-haired beauties. To me they looked like brunettes ;D. Anyway, in the painting by Francois Flameng (1908?) her hair was rather light, but by then it might have been a toupet  ;). I'm not sure where the Flameng portrait was posted, either on this thread or on one of the QA threads.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: gogm on October 28, 2008, 07:20:38 PM
Back in the Eocene when I went to college there was a woman who seemed to change her hair color every month it seemed. They could do stuff like that even before there were household computers and video games.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: kmerov on March 01, 2009, 12:21:04 PM
I just spotted this old thread.
Since then I have read Lady Paget's memoirs, although that is also a long time ago.
She grew up in and around Dresden, and when her parents died she went to live with her uncle in Berlin. He was the Saxon Minister to Prussia, and he was married to a widow of one of the last German Electors.
The future Emperor Wilhelm I liked her, and made her promise that she should would be one of the ladies of his future daughter-in-law.
When Vicky travelled around Germany looking for a Princess for Bertie, Wally went with her. After she got engaged to Paget she tolled him of the lack of suitable Princesses, and he mentioned Princess Alexandra of Denmark. From then Wally was given the task of getting information about Alix, since she was going to live in Copenhagen, and often travelled to Germany and England, thus connecting all parties. 

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/ladywpaget.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 19, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
I found this one a few weeks ago and i believe i havent seen it here

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/0706047.jpg)



BTW..i bought a cdv of the last picture of the previous post (The one of Alix as , Mary , queen of the scots) and the studio was AJ Melhuish. Another Flickr member has the same one (LJMck) but the studio is Sarony. Who were the  official photographers of the British royals?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Tony de Gandarillas on August 20, 2009, 02:40:05 AM
Regarding reply 179:  Does anyone have the list of train bearers for Queen Alexandra's coronation?  Thank you
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: katmaxoz on August 23, 2009, 03:27:28 AM
Regarding reply 179:  Does anyone have the list of train bearers for Queen Alexandra's coronation?  Thank you

Duchess of Buccleuch, J. N. Bigge, George Parker, 7th Earl of Macclesfield, Hon. Edward Lascelles, Hon. Robert Palmer, George Byng, 9th Viscount Torrington, Marquess of Stafford, Lord Claud Hamilton, Hon. Arthur Anson

Also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_involved_in_coronations_of_the_British_monarch

I hope this helps
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: EmilyCragg on August 29, 2009, 03:14:29 PM

I realize Queen Alexandra was a competent photographer, a patient wife and gorgeous woman, but I cannot get over ALL THAT HAIR that had to be unmatted, combed out, braided and arranged every single day.

Gosh!  We women just don't GROW hair like that anymore.

(http://www.holyconservancy.org/papa/1890QAlex&Prins.jpg)(http://www.holyconservancy.org/papa/1901QuAlex.jpg)(http://www.holyconservancy.org/papa/PrssAlex.jpg)

Thank you so much for displaying your photos!


Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on August 29, 2009, 04:06:32 PM
Queen Alexandra and other ladies of her status were known for their use of hairpieces - some quite complicated - so attending to their coiffures was probably not as complicated as you may think!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: EmilyCragg on August 30, 2009, 01:04:01 PM

I don't know if you've ever grown your hair to your waist; but I can tell you honestly, it's an enormous amount of work to deal with.  Argghhh!  The idea of having to clip and pin more false switches on top of what I already contend with is, well, just staggering.   Heh heh

EEWC
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: katmaxoz on September 10, 2009, 09:13:52 AM
some more for the collection

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/misc%20images/AlexandraofDenmark.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/katmaxoz/misc%20images/Alexandrainblack.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on September 22, 2009, 11:44:14 AM

If somebody has a better image about this wonderful photo from my favourite session, I would love to see it:

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/c848_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: THERRY on September 23, 2009, 02:57:22 AM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/1498rxd.jpg)(http://i33.tinypic.com/2r3v1bo.jpg)
These are from the same session. I have'nt better photos
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 23, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
Synadenne, here another of that session

(http://i33.tinypic.com/5dl6s7.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on September 23, 2009, 02:10:35 PM

Honestly, I have every pieces of that session except the one I've posted. I'm looking for exactly the same in better quality. But thanks...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 23, 2009, 02:55:38 PM
It will appear someday. You just have to wait ;-)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: katmaxoz on September 28, 2009, 06:28:51 AM

If somebody has a better image about this wonderful photo from my favourite session, I would love to see it:

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/c848_1.jpg)

Oh, very nice. I haven't seen a full length version before, I wish I had a better version to give you. However, this is this one in the set as well that I don't see too often.

(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/45730/2193969710102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2193969710102753164BLDiQb)

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on October 11, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/cdvalexan-1243451437-25719.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Alix of Wales had Panache on October 19, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
Frst to the left is Alice. I've seen two pictures showing Alexandra smiling.   

This one I found on Ebay two months ago.

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/coker10/wow24c.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 19, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
-Alexandra and Marie (?) playing pool at Hvidore

(http://i37.tinypic.com/1zwcl90.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 21, 2009, 08:56:32 AM
She does have a big nose !
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on October 21, 2009, 08:58:39 AM
Better than the famous Coburg-nose!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on October 21, 2009, 10:02:58 AM
Alix looking pissed off

(http://i33.tinypic.com/eq41fo.jpg)

("Damn paparazzis!" xD)


By this husband, I would, too!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 21, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
hahahahahaah, touche!! xDDD
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on October 21, 2009, 04:05:39 PM
How beautiful this game !  I didn't know they were playing .
Frst to the left is Alice. I've seen two pictures showing Alexandra smiling.   

This one I found on Ebay two months ago.

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/coker10/wow24c.jpg)


Amazing

Yes, it is. I bought it those months ago.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on October 21, 2009, 04:34:50 PM

So here is my great eBay find - among my favourites and I was able to buy it..

from the precious Disdéri session: Princess Alexandra

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/IMG_0003_NEW.jpg)



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Post by: Rani on October 23, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/11iz31y.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 23, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Alexandra and Bertie in Dublin. 1907

(http://i38.tinypic.com/2zt9di0.jpg)

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Post by: miki_nastya on December 01, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
 Today 1 december is Alix birthday. HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!!!! You are one of my favorite royals in the world
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Post by: synnadene on December 08, 2009, 06:02:55 AM

Princess Alexandra in 1873

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/4169072682_0d271956fa_b.jpg)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35828937@N07/4169072682/
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 08, 2009, 04:09:37 PM
Same shoot as the one with her & Minnie wearing the same style of dress.
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Post by: synnadene on December 09, 2009, 08:21:19 AM
Yes, I know :-)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 09, 2009, 08:45:05 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/jsc404.jpg)
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 09, 2009, 03:40:08 PM
You can get it in one of the supplements of the ILN--I think either the Silver Wedding Anniversary one or the Coronation of Edward VII. It's a full page and very nice.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 09, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
i think its a portrait based on the photography, not a handtinted pic.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 09, 2009, 07:30:16 PM


Alix

(http://i45.tinypic.com/25amckp.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 10, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
Another nice one. Thanks for posting. It seems like Alexandra had a liking for little pins of peals, diamonds and gold on the neck of her blouse.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 11:01:34 AM
Young Alix` Profile

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2me8fwl.jpg)
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Post by: Rani on December 31, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/Alix.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 02:11:35 PM
Looks like it has been retouched in the face...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 01, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
Perhaps, Eric, but nothing like the re-touching (or complete overhauling) which goes on in celebrity photos these days!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 01, 2010, 02:22:26 PM
Yes. It is photos like these spread the rumor of her surprising youth...when she became a grandma.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 01, 2010, 04:41:28 PM
Well, it wasn't photos only, as there seem to be many accounts by people who saw her in the flesh who remarked on her very youthful looks, lovely colouring etc. - family members, people closely associated with her and even strangers.  And she would have had adult grandchildren by the time this photo was taken.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: katmaxoz on January 02, 2010, 03:08:16 AM
Looks like it has been retouched in the face...

This was common with Alexandra's photos from about the late 1880s onwards.  It's hard to find un-retouched photos of her as she grew older. She worked hard to retain her youthful beauty as far as her public image was concerned...rather like Queen Elizabeth 1st.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 02, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
Well she still look good for her age, but not THAT good.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 05, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/34nmx44.jpg)
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Post by: THERRY on January 05, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Maybe because I love the crinoline , but young Alexandra is really splendid !!!!!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
I think she looked better with the Edwardian Bussle.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 05, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
Theres no edwardian bustle. Bustles were use just till early 1890s.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 05, 2010, 02:09:41 PM
Yes. She looked better in Bustles than Crinoline.
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Post by: Alix of Wales had Panache on January 07, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu80/HeleneCaroline/Alix.jpg)

That picture is too coool. Is she holding Japanese Chin dogs?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 07:49:07 AM
Yes!
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Post by: CountessKate on January 08, 2010, 07:55:14 AM
Two of her favorite chins were called Punch and Facey and they were allowed to eat "in the house" (palace?) rather than the kennels; she was portrayed in her portrait by Sir Luke Fildes with Facey:   http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=queen+alexandra&x=7&y=5&pagesize=20&object=402308&row=192 . The dog on the left could be Facey and if so the one on the right would probably be Punch.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 08, 2010, 11:27:05 AM
You may be right. Alix do love her dogs. She went from bigger ones to smaller ones.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 01:13:29 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d9dwrs.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/11hw3yr.jpg)
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2010, 01:45:28 PM
Using a similar dress than the  first one posted by Rani, Alix and Bertie.Courtesy of Mr Paul Frecker

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2rmm43l.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 08, 2010, 02:13:42 PM
Love the two last ones Rani has posted.  In the first one which I've never seen before, Alix has such an unusual expression for a portrait taken in the 1870's.  In the second one, I think she and her daughters were in mourning for dear Eddy (whose birthday was yesterday, 8th January).
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: RoyalWatcher on January 08, 2010, 02:37:37 PM
Bertie was not very attractive at all. For me, he was the most attractive in his middle-aged years as he looked quite distinguished. However, in his youth and early adulthood, he looked pretty bad. In my humble opinion of course.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
yes i agree with you. I like this Bertie

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2nqe7gh.jpg)
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Post by: Grace on January 08, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
Haha!  I agree with both of you.  HE wouldn't have thought that though - I think he thought he was God's Gift to women!!!
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2010, 03:26:33 PM
haha course!! you can see that in pictures like the one i posted . Bertie with an early Bluesteel" sight and saying to himself..: "im too sexy for this photosoot" xDDDD
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Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 06:18:36 PM
haha course!! you can see that in pictures like the one i posted . Bertie with an early Bluesteel" sight and saying to himself..: "im too sexy for this photosoot" xDDDD

Now I must think of this "Right Said Fred" song..
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Rani on January 08, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
He was just so attractive because he was rich and the future King. If he has been a farmer, I don´t think that the ladies fell in love with him.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 08, 2010, 06:41:56 PM
Power and money are the most powerful aphrodisiacs , hahahaha
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Post by: Veronica on January 09, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
From the same session as the one with her daughters posted by Rani:

(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3967/alix256.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 09, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
Alexandra wearing one of her famous jackets.
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Post by: Olga Maria on January 27, 2010, 02:57:09 AM
Will someone please repost synadenne's CDV's of Alexandra?
May I post this picture here? I've seen this in a bad resolution before but I found this one:
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_I-514701.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/I-514701.jpg)
She's sooo lovely!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on January 28, 2010, 12:08:09 AM
At the first time I saw that picture, I thought Alix looks younger than her daughters do! Thanks for that, Katenka!

(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_Picture4.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Picture4.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2010, 12:07:07 PM
Love to see that. Since there are only snipets on Beatrice's wedding. 1. The bride & groom and all the bridesmaids. (popular image). 2. Alicky, Irene with VMH and their father Ludwig of Hesse. 3. Alix of Wales and her daughters. Did not see the spread. Thanks.
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Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2010, 12:33:25 PM
She was a great beauty, thanks for post those incredible images ;-D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 28, 2010, 12:47:08 PM
Yes. But she was not sexy and did not have an hour glass figure. QV wrote that "poor Alix was flat as a board."
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 28, 2010, 01:13:51 PM
Poor lady :-S But anyways she had a beautiful face
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 28, 2010, 03:17:09 PM
Yes. But she was not sexy and did not have an hour glass figure. QV wrote that "poor Alix was flat as a board."

Who needs 'em?!  Women wear clothes better, in my opinion, without having massive boobies - then and now!
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Post by: Olga Maria on January 29, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
Women wear clothes better, in my opinion, without having massive boobies - then and now!
You're right. Most of the models I've seen don't have hour-glass figures.
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_alixdenmark1844-15.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/alixdenmark1844-15.jpg)

 
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2010, 12:01:55 PM
Yes. We are still fasinated by women with big bosoms (Pamela Anderson for example). QV liked Alix but proudly stated that her own daughters had better bosoms than her charmingly skinny (in one entry she said "Poor Alix is just skin & bones these days !") daughter-in-law. Most certainly the standards of the day supported QV's observations. Almost all Bertie's (Albert Edward of Wales) mistresses were more flreshy than his wife (Lillie Langtry, Daisy Brooke & Alice Keppel) !
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 29, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
For what i ve read about Male tastes in victorian era they loved big bossom and big botton, so its not just a modern thing. Corset made this illusion for many "flat" women cause makes bossom looks bigger and of course gives great (and sometimes excesive) curves to the female body,.

There are a parisian Victorian newspaper who had a section about cortesans. The most famous and with "lots of work" in their description had "Big breast and bottom".
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2010, 12:09:23 PM
Yes. Like the scene from GWTW. Corsets are very tight to create a small waist. Interestingly enough Vivien Leigh looked very much like Alix in form & shape of the petite kind without the big breasts or big bottom. I often wondered why she never played Alix of Wales or Sisi of Austria. She would have been ideal in look for either of them.
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 29, 2010, 12:16:06 PM
In certain time Alix looked anything but thin and flat

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1269/1159849233_08a836b5de_o.jpg)

Well..after six kids anyone get bigger but in this one, even tho tightlaced she looks awesome and absolutely not flat at all
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
It is interesting that in some photos she looks bigger, while in others she looked flat. I think only HRH The Prince of Wales knows the truth.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:39:40 PM
The corsete helped her very much, she would look really flat wearing modern clothes, it would
be a real problem for her :-S
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 29, 2010, 03:18:38 PM
The corsete helped her very much, she would look really flat wearing modern clothes, it would
be a real problem for her :-S

Not with the bras I've seen around lately!  You can hardly get one these days without thick foam padding in the cups - not even for a girl in her early teens.  Perhaps, given that Alix was said not to have been a highly sexually charged person, she wouldn't have worried all that much about breast size?  Not everybody does.  
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
Yes. Although Alix did got sick for a long time after the birth of Louise and lost a lot of weight. She was always described as slim than shapely.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on January 31, 2010, 07:57:56 AM
IMO, it seems to me that Bertie loved women just for their physical looks and not because of their inner personality. Anyway, I have read in another forum that she would not marry Edward unless he loved her. The poster of that said that it came from a book (but she didn’t specify what it is). I wonder if it’s true…but I think it is possible she had that thought.

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2010, 03:47:22 PM
Yes. She made sure that she was loved for herself and not an arranged marriage.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 31, 2010, 09:22:33 PM
IMO, it seems to me that Bertie loved women just for their physical looks and not because of their inner personality. Anyway, I have read in another forum that she would not marry Edward unless he loved her. The poster of that said that it came from a book (but she didn’t specify what it is). I wonder if it’s true…but I think it is possible she had that thought.



It always struck me as the opposite--Edward VII was attracted to many women--some beautiful and some not so but ones that could charm him. He wasn't the most intellectual of men but he liked women who could hold their own in a conversation and he was very cultured. Alix was able to hold his attention for awhile because of her face and form but she couldn't conduct the level of conversation he preferred. No doubt he continued to care for her--as his wife, the mother of his children and because of her innate kindness--but they had very little in common. She preferred the hominess of Sandringham and her parents's home, while he preferred the glittering life of society.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 31, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
That was why he was dazzled by grand dames like Empress Eugenie in his youth. Poor Alix was nothing like that. That is why Bertie had affairs with the likes of Sarah Bearnhart or Alice Keppel, they were really sophisticated...
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on January 31, 2010, 11:13:53 PM
That's hardly a reason to justify all his affairs, Eric.  And..."poor" Alix?
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Post by: Olga Maria on February 01, 2010, 03:33:40 AM
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_Picture1-1.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Picture1-1.jpg)

It always struck me as the opposite--Edward VII was attracted to many women--some beautiful and some not so but ones that could charm him. He wasn't the most intellectual of men but he liked women who could hold their own in a conversation and he was very cultured. Alix was able to hold his attention for awhile because of her face and form but she couldn't conduct the level of conversation he preferred. No doubt he continued to care for her--as his wife, the mother of his children and because of her innate kindness--but they had very little in common. She preferred the hominess of Sandringham and her parents's home, while he preferred the glittering life of society.
Ah, now I understand. Bertie indeed loved a very gay life as shown in this excerpt from "The Life of Queen Alexandra":
This was the first visit which the Prince of Wales had paid to his wife's country, and, though greatly charmed by the beauties of the country palaces, he found them oppressively quiet, and the simple life of the Royal Family of Denmark a great contrast to the English Court, and he used to tease the Princess by repeating a joke that a man was asked if he knew of any more dismal place than Fredensborg, and when he said "No," his interlocutor replied, "Then you haven't seen Bernstorff!"

Alix possessed a great sense of humor but it wasn't enough to keep Bertie with her.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 01, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
Yes, but you can find in sdpanish forums about royalty that photo tagged as "Alexandra of Wales and sister Maria Fyodorovna"
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Veronica on February 01, 2010, 03:25:56 PM
The one with Thyra

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4571/alixythyra28364.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
I wish i had this bigger!

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2442w3l.jpg)
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Post by: kmerov on February 11, 2010, 05:39:35 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Alexandra/ungalexandra.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Alexandra/alexandra111-1-1.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/kmerov/Alexandra/alixhone.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2010, 05:45:20 PM
Very elegant.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Margot on February 11, 2010, 06:12:16 PM
Indeed! I agree!

I could just post 'Indeed! I agree'...but I wont stoop that low! Otherwise that would be as worthy of deletion as the quoted post IMHO!

In order to actually make my reply in some way relevant and useful to this thread and to contribute to the thread rather than just to my post tally I should point out that I believe the last Photograph was taken at the Amalienborg Palace. Does anyone know if this correct and what year it was taken?

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2010, 06:25:12 PM
Yes. I think it was used in the Danish author's book on Alexandra. The same author also wrote the only bio of Christian IX in English for many years.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Margot on February 12, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
A most marvelous book that I includes an abundance of photographs including I the aforementioned photograph of Alexandra taken at the Amalienborg is 'Edward VII an Queen Alexandra: a biography in words and pictures' by Helmut and Alison Gernsheim!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2010, 12:01:12 PM
It isthe one who wrote Christian IX.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 13, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
composite picture.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/ev9efa.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 26, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/34t95iq.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 26, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
Queen Alexandra in all her coronation finery. The dress was all gold and made by Indian material.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
Her dress was really beautiful indeed, interesting information about how it was made
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 02, 2010, 07:28:58 PM
Yes. It was Alexandra who decided what to wear. The Indian material indicated a regret that she never got to visit that country.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 03, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
She had a good taste, happily that she could decide by herself and no one decided it for her, she looked perfect :-O
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on March 05, 2010, 03:44:21 AM
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_Alexandra243.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/Alexandra243.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 05, 2010, 09:14:31 AM
I love this of Alix

(http://i50.tinypic.com/28gxrio.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Grace on March 05, 2010, 09:28:01 AM
Thank you so much for posting...this is superb...I've never seen it or one like it before.  What a beauty she was.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 05, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Yes. I think it was the same photo session with her sister Dagmar (same dress) & brother-in-law Alexander. I wonder was it taken on the latter's visit to London ?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 13, 2010, 02:23:50 PM
This is a very touching image of Alexandra visiting a crippled children house. 1912

(http://i44.tinypic.com/5koz86.jpg)

Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Condecontessa on March 14, 2010, 11:24:54 AM
That is an amazing picture. You can see in her face the feeling she had for the child. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 14, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Wow ! A very rare photo indeed. Where did you find it ? Was it printed in the newspapers ! A great photo ! Thanks for sharing it with us.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 16, 2010, 11:58:56 AM
My God!! That photo surprised me totally! Is really touching!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 16, 2010, 12:02:57 PM
I like it cause she shows sentiment...not like this one of May of teck in the same Situation...she looks like "get me out of hereeee!"


(http://i40.tinypic.com/1448xlv.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
Hardly a fair comparison. I have a lot of photos of Queen Mary from magazines of the day visiting all sorts of hospitals, orphanages and other charities and in most she's smiling and interacting with the people. It's really just buying into the old stereotypes. I know I bang this drum a lot, but people should really try to get their hands on magazines from the period of about 1896 (when photos became more common than illustrations) through the 1930s--in English, German, Italian, whatever. The provide treasure troves of rare and candid photos. Many libraries even have bound up magazines from this period--and there are dozens of titles to choose from if you search.

BTW, you can find the image of Queen Alexandra in either the Graphic or the Sketch magazine. Can't remember which one but the issue was for sale not too long ago.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 16, 2010, 12:24:40 PM
Thanks you. Thats why i say "In THIS one"  i ve seen another where you can see her interacting with people and children, but none of them "touch my heart" like that one of Alexandra. I guess its because i can hardly "swallow" queen Mary....
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: grandduchessella on March 16, 2010, 12:31:44 PM
She's one of my faves.  :) I used to have a different impression until I actually started doing the research I mentioned. Some of the most touching royal photos I've seen involve Mary, and George V, interacting with severely wounded WW1 soldiers--both during and after the war.

Anyway, back to QA.  :)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 16, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
Yup.

This is a composite picture.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/30xd9w3.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 16, 2010, 12:46:28 PM
A nice touch up photo. It added the ermine cloak and crown on top of another photo.  ;)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: katmaxoz on March 18, 2010, 08:00:03 AM
Yup.

This is a composite picture.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/30xd9w3.jpg)

It's a mock up taken from this picture of Alexandra

(http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/45760/2343044100102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2343044100102753164LwIqYf)



Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 14, 2010, 07:40:13 AM
Alexandra and brother Giorgos of Greece

(http://i41.tinypic.com/1ili06.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 14, 2010, 10:30:03 AM
What beautiful dress! Where was this photo taken?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 14, 2010, 10:41:35 AM
according fashion in early 1880s.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on April 19, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
She grew up in and around Dresden, and when her parents died she went to live with her uncle in Berlin. He was the Saxon Minister to Prussia, and he was married to a widow of one of the last German Electors.
What!!!???
I can't believe I've overlooked the fact that Elector Wilhelm II of Hesse-Cassel after his abdication married a second morganatic wife, Karoline von Berlepsch, who was 43 years younger than him and was made Baroness and then Countess of Bergen (a Hessian small town, now a suburb of Frankfurt and married to this Count Karl-Adolph von Hohenthal in her second marriage)!
Those Hesse-Cassels really were quite wonderfully impossible.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eddie_uk on April 20, 2010, 12:59:13 AM
I read somewhere that she died from burns after falling asleep by the fire.... :(
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: ashdean on April 20, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
There is a short biography of her in Meriel Buchanan's "Victorian Gallery" published in the mid 1950's .
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 25, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Alexandra and someone else feeding pidgeons

(http://i41.tinypic.com/dnh6c7.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 26, 2010, 09:13:15 AM
When did Alix made her trip to Italy ?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 13, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/nh19gi.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 13, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
This one is SUPERB!

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6561/369416677o.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: synnadene on May 13, 2010, 12:38:34 PM

by Russell & Sons, Chichester (from the session where she is also with her little daughter Maud)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/367985946_o_NEW.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 13, 2010, 12:46:36 PM
beautiful! pity its so blurry
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 13, 2010, 01:40:37 PM
Still she still looks charming. Her great great grandson Lord Frederick Windsor (who just married and move to California) looked just like Alix. The shape of the face and colour of the eyes.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Veronica on May 13, 2010, 02:34:47 PM
synadenne thanks for sharing! It's such a lovely image of her!
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 01, 2010, 01:48:35 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/43s46.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2010, 02:43:29 PM
Too many buttions here. I think she was wearing her horse shoe brooch in this portrait.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Constantinople on June 01, 2010, 06:53:03 PM
think of those buttons as a handy nose scratcher
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 01, 2010, 08:55:06 PM
Interesting concept...like people think of them todays as smarties or M&Ms... :D
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2010, 07:57:04 AM
Finally something new and fresh

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2ewfz0k.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Eric_Lowe on June 09, 2010, 09:29:38 AM
Is she wearing a hairnet ?
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 09, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
Yes, there are several others from the session.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/124.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/170570.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/alix1457.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 09, 2010, 01:55:45 PM
Thanks for posting the first one in bigger!! i had it in small (BTW are you sure that one is from the same photoshootÇ?. The gowns doesnt match)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 09, 2010, 08:04:40 PM
No, none of those i just posted were from the session. I was just adding a few to the thread.
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 10, 2010, 07:16:58 AM
oh, i see. Thanks!!

(http://i49.tinypic.com/16gg1oj.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Veronica on June 13, 2010, 03:03:33 PM
From the famous photosession

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/369/alixfidu9.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: THERRY on June 14, 2010, 04:56:16 AM
WOW !!! It's the first time I see this photo Tanks for posting it
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Olga Maria on June 15, 2010, 12:10:47 AM
Those are all wonderful, Eddy, Katenka and Veronica! Thank you very much for those!

(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/th_alexandradagmar.jpg) (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/olga_maria1993/alexandradagmar.jpg)
Alexandra and Dagmar, 1913
 
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 17, 2010, 08:54:23 AM
Alexandra and Bertie

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2yv1ds5.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Veronica on June 17, 2010, 04:59:33 PM
Beautiful Alexandra

(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4935/alix4nwb.jpg)

(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5369/alixvqfd.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 18, 2010, 07:10:06 AM
Alexandra as a widow (i posted an sketch of her wearing this same mourning attire)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/qqwcas.jpg)
Title: Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 20, 2010, 08:31:16 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/sgihk7.jpg)