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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Mediatized Noble Families => Topic started by: MarieCharlotte on March 19, 2006, 10:53:26 AM

Title: Auersperg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 19, 2006, 10:53:26 AM
Dear discussion group,

I am searching for information about Aglaë Gräfin von Kinsky, Wchinitz und Tettau.
She was born on March 28th 1868 (Prague) and died on May 10th 1919 (Mährisch-Kromau).

She married Ferdinand, Graf Kinsky in 1891 (Prague) and had the following children:
1) Ulrich (1893-1938.)
2) Ernestine Antonia (1895-1969)
3) Marie Valérie (1896-1963)
4) Rudolf (1898-1965)
5) Maria Johanna (1900-1976)
6) Johanna (1902-1964)
7) Ferdinand (1907-1969)

I know that she was a close friend of Marie Valérie, Archduchess of Austria.

... and I'd love to see pics of Aglaë and her family.



Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: anabel on March 19, 2006, 01:56:53 PM
Wasn´t her name Aglaja? :-/
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 20, 2006, 03:35:15 PM
For Agneschen:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/auersperg_aglae02.jpg)

Paul Theroff calles her "Aglaë" in his Online Gotha. But I also came across "Aglaja" - I prefer the second version.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Agneschen on March 21, 2006, 09:10:07 PM
Wonderful pic, thank you Marie ! Aglae looks gorgeous !

As for her name, it seems to me that Aglae was a Greek muse or something of the kind - it would be interesting to know what the name would be in Greek. I think Aglaja must be the German version. In French, the name would be Aglae - it was fashionable at the time in aristocratic circles to give French names so maybe this is why she was called so. She may have been christened Aglaja but called Aglae by her relatives/friends. Just my 2 cents though.
I need to check but it seems to me that in her diary Archduchess Marie Valerie refers to her as Aglae.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: royalboy202 on March 21, 2006, 10:40:08 PM
i wonder if she was close to her sister-in-law the
New York heiress Florence Elsworth Hazard?
Florence married her brother Prince Franz von Auersperg in 1899.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 22, 2006, 09:09:12 AM
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I need to check but it seems to me that in her diary Archduchess Marie Valerie refers to her as Aglae.


Archduchess Marie Valérie called her "Aglaë", but Marie Redwitz - who got to know the Princess in 1889 - refers to her as "Aglaia".

Redwitz decribes Aglaë in her book "Hofchronik" as very beautiful, nice and kind girl. Besides she thought it was a nice trait of Marie Valérie's character to have such a beautiful girl next to her all the time - maybe Redwitz didn't like Marie Valérie's looks?  ;)
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on March 22, 2006, 04:23:05 PM
Aglae schould be translated in greek as ''shinney''!Aglae in Greek mithology was one of the Kharites(Gratiae in Latin),godesses of beauty!There are several versions who their parents were!By one version they were daughters of Zeus and Eurynome,by another daughters of Helios and Aegle(I tell you this name in latin) and by third version they were daughters of  Dionysos and Aphrodite...so much about Greek mithology  :)
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Prince_Christopher on March 25, 2006, 05:05:56 PM
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i wonder if she was close to her sister-in-law the
New York heiress Florence Elsworth Hazard?
Florence married her brother Prince Franz von Auersperg in 1899.

Royalboy, do you know anything else about this woman?  I am interested in Americans who married into royalty/nobility.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: royalboy202 on March 26, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
[Royalboy, do you know anything else about this woman?  I am interested in Americans who married into royalty/nobility.[/quote]

Prince_Christopher,
I have looked all over the internet and can't find any info on this lady.  I just assumed that by marrying
 Prince Franz she had to be an heiress.  Like you i am also interested in american woman who married into the european aristocracy.  We should start a thread about them.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marie Valerie on August 09, 2006, 10:36:43 AM
I've just read that Aglae was pregnant by Crownprince Rudolf  ???  :o
And that the Auersperg Family murdered him and Mary Vetsera in Mayerling because of that.. ??? ??? ???

I don't believe this story.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marlene on August 09, 2006, 11:04:51 AM


Balderdash ...  Aglaja was probably a nickname!

I've just read that Aglae was pregnant by Crownprince Rudolf  ???  :o
And that the Auersperg Family murdered him and Mary Vetsera in Mayerling because of that.. ??? ??? ???

I don't believe this story.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on June 17, 2008, 08:02:46 PM
I would like to know more about this story about Aglae and Rudolf and the Auersperg family...sounds so mysterious!
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on June 30, 2008, 03:57:44 PM
I would like to know more about this story about Aglae and Rudolf and the Auersperg family...sounds so mysterious!
Mysterious? Better say stupid :)) Just one from plenty rumours around unhappy Rudolf...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Yseult on July 21, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
Aglae with her husband Ferdinand Gf Kinsky:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/MISCELANEA/AglaevonAuerspergwithFerdinandGfKin.jpg)
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Rani on December 21, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/aglaja.jpg)

Marie Valerie and Aglaja
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 05, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
I think, we could start a thread about princely line of Auersperg family, because their members belonged to highest aristocracy in Habsburg monarchy. Please post pics, info, about them...
Here is the picture of father of Aglae Auersperg (close fried of Archduchess Marie Valerie):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/d/d9/Adolf_Carl_Daniel_F%C3%BCrst_von_Auersperg.jpg)
Adolf (1821-85), who was - with his older brother Karl (1814-90) - important statesman in Habsburg monarchy.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 10, 2009, 03:35:54 AM
Father of Adolf was Prince Wilhelm (1782-1827). He was maried with Adelheid Windisch-Graetz but his young wife died two years after the wedding. Leo van Pas has a nice story about his second wedding taken from memoirs of Princess Fugger: "Wilhelm, the eldest (grandson of Prince Karl Josef) went out to travel and see the world. One day he sent a message to his parents informing then he had become engaged to a Miss Friederike von Lenthe. The second eldest brother Karl was dispatched immediately to dissuade his brother from this ill-advised association. Only a short time had passed when Prince Karl himself sent a letter telling his parents that not only had he not been able to achieve his objective, but that he had become betrothed to Miss Auguste von Lenthe, the sister of his brother's bride."
The brothers married the Lenthe sisters in a double wedding on February 15th 1810.
Prince Wilhelm and Frederika had seven children, among them three sons Karl, Alexander and Adolf.
Prince Karl (1783-1847) and Augusta had seven children too, but only one son, Karl, who never married.

Unfortunately I don´t have any pictures of these beautiful or clever sisters, who made such a good marriages:))
If someone has, please post it...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on February 16, 2009, 06:29:59 PM
One of my favorite families...one question:was grafliche branch of this family considered "equa" in official termsl like it was the case with Schonburg and Solms families?
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 19, 2009, 01:43:37 PM
One of my favorite families...one question:was grafliche branch of this family considered "equa" in official termsl like it was the case with Schonburg and Solms families?

Mine too...but it seems no other people are interested...
About the grafliche branches of the family, do you think the branches which lived in Carinthia? I am not sure, but I think they were not considered equal...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on February 19, 2009, 06:01:08 PM
Yes,I mean that line,but can't find it on the web...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 24, 2009, 03:57:02 PM
From marriage of Wilhelm Auersperg and Frederika von Lenthe were (except three daughters) born three sons – Karl, Alexander and Adolf. All brothers married hungarian countesses: Karl and Adolf married sisters Ernestine and Johanna Festetics, Alexander married countess Sarolta Szápáry.
Marriage of eldest brother Karl remained childless, so the next heir was Alexander´s only son Wilhelm. He has tragic destiny. His father died when he  was 12 years old, and her mother and sister died in 1873 because of fire in their palace at Pressburg. Wilhelm himself died very young (22 years) in duel with Count Kolowrat in 1876, but there were very strange circumstances around this case. It is said that the duel was because they both loved the same Countess or because Prince Auersperg gossiped around Count Kolowrat. There also exist an ugly theory that Count Kolowrat was payed by both uncles of young Wilhelm to provoke him and kill him, so that the next heir could be Adolf´s eldest son. The true is that young Wilhelm was near-sighted and didn´t want to fight, but uncle Karl (as a head of the family) order him to defend his honour. Although duels were strictly interdicted, Count Kolowrat was only shortly arrested and then he better left Austria.
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on February 24, 2009, 06:13:23 PM
Poor guy...really feel sorry for him...who was this Countess,do you know?
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 26, 2009, 08:33:09 AM
It was Countess Anna Waldstein. She never married and later entered the cloister...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Marc on February 26, 2009, 08:41:52 AM
Thank you...I will never understand those beautiful women who had many other oportunities entering monastery...
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: beladona on February 26, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
maybe she could feel compromised or she could want to clean the family name?
Title: Re: Auersperg family
Post by: Zukunftsseele on March 24, 2011, 06:49:36 AM
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/agla.jpg)