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Title: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on March 03, 2004, 11:31:58 AM
Has anyone any information regarding the location of things from the Alexander Palace!!!!
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Post by: BobAtchison on March 03, 2004, 06:30:58 PM
They are all over the place.

Some things were stolen from the palace immediately after the revolution.  Other things were expropriated by Bolshevik officials.  A large number of things were sold in Petersburg and abroad in the 20's and 30's.

During the Second World War thousands of items were looted by German, Spanish and other fascist soldiers.  These were used in Russia or sent abroad.  Other things were destroyed in fires and battle.

A significant number of things were saved by the Russian museum workers at the palace.  These are now disbursed among Russian and other CIS museums.

Some things that went with the Imperial family into Siberia returned to the palace after the Romanovs were sent to Yekaterinburg.  Other things were returned by to the palace after the murders.  Finally a number of things from Siberia were looted or were shipped out of the country by the White Army.

Bob Atchison
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 03, 2004, 02:43:25 AM
Is the portrait of Alexandra in the Maple Study display at Pavlvosk the same one that hung in Nicholas's Formal Reception Room at the Alexander Palace??
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on April 03, 2004, 08:53:57 AM
The Kaulbach portrait and the pastel study for it at Pavlosk both came from the Alexander Palace.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 03, 2004, 11:24:53 AM
When Kaulbach came from Munich to have Alexandra sit for her portrait he did a large pastel portrait of her.  He took this back to his Munich studio along with a dress the Empress selected to create the big portrait.  When it was completed he shipped the painting along with the study.  Nicholas put the study in his New Study.  A miniature copy of this pastel was with him up until the end.  The girls had copies of this study in their rooms.

This must have been Alexandra's favorite portrait of herself.  I think the study is much more successful than the big portrait.

Kaulbach also did studies of all four girls which Alexandra placed on either side of her corner cabinet in the Maple Room.  These went to Siberia and were later returned to the palace.  In the 30's they were sold to Alexander Schaffer who sold them through his first shop in Rockefeller Center.  Two of them can be seen in a picture taken arond 1934 (see below in the background).  They are now lost.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004kaulbach.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 03, 2004, 11:52:28 AM
Here's a big enlargement of a part of Alexandra's Reception Room I made up so you could see the portrait as it was before the war.

The console table for regilded for this room and dates from the time of Catherine the Great.  The ram's head table to the left of it was also regilded in the reign of Nicholas II.  This table appears in photographs of the Grand Duchesses taken in this room in spring 1913.

On the console is a large bust of Paul the first flanked by a pair of French bronze busts of Alexander I and Elizabeth.  They were at Pavlovsk.  I don't know anything about the glass bowls.

Notice how the cord runs down from the cornice to electrify the three armed-sconce.  This room had original decoration from the time of Quarenghi.  The walls have had a beautiful, pure white artificial marble finish.  The cord was run rather than punching a hole in the wall.  Look to the far left and you will see a thermometer next to the door frame.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004kaulbach2.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 03, 2004, 12:05:32 PM
Here's the location of Kaulbach's portrait of Alexandra in Nicholas's New Study - I am not sure why it's missing here.  On the mantle is a marble bust of Alexandra by Anatolsky.  It was found by Kuchumov after the war broken.  I don't know where it is now, I assume Pavlovsk.

To the extreme left is the door to Nicholas's dressing room.  Above it is a painting by Makovsky of children at play - you can barely see it.  Notice the bell pushes to call servants that ran behind the Kaulbach.  To the right below is Nicholas's pool table.  This was taken for the use of Bolshevik officials in the Kremlin.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004kaulbach3.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Arleen on April 03, 2004, 02:02:51 PM
Bob, thank you for the beautiful pictures.  The Kulbach painting of Alexandra has always been my favorite one of her.  What happened to the dress he took back to Gemany to paint her in.....didn't I read somewhere it was never sent back to Alexandra??  ..Arleen
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Post by: BobAtchison on April 03, 2004, 04:38:34 PM
Arlene:

I believe there is a Kaulbach museum in his former studios and they still have the dress.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Lisa on April 04, 2004, 05:52:36 AM
There is actually a Kaulbach Museum in Munnich, which keep the Alexandra's dress.You can image how I want to see it!!!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: anna on April 04, 2004, 08:34:07 AM
Hi Bob,

I possess one of the most beautiful books there is "Nicholas and Alexandra- the last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia-"from the State Hermitage Museum and the SARF.

There's a portrait of Alexandra painted in 1907 by Nikolai Kornilevich Bodarevsky. Oil on canvas 268 x 135cm. Acquired from Pavlovsk Palace Museum in 1959.

This painting looks rather similar to the Kaulbach painting. The pose is the same only Alexandra's dress is a bit different and she's wearing more jewels. It's a beautiful portrait. Am I mixing up things?? Do you know
where this portrait is now?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 04, 2004, 09:36:02 AM
They are not the same painting and very different.  The Bodarevsky is still at the Catherine Palace and tours a lot - it was in the USA for the Nicholas and Alexandra exhbition that was mounted by Broughton Masterpiece Exhibitions.

I wish I knew more about this painting.  It does not appear in any catalogs of the Alexander Palace I have so I don't think it ever was there.  The study differs from the final work in that the crown was changed.  It's a marvellous work and I think it is the best likeness of the Empress.  The Kaulbach study is also great but I think there is an attempt to make her more pretty.

On the other hand the Kaulbach is pre-Aleksey and I think the Empress aged a lot after his birth.

Also, the Kaulbach is painted by a foreigner and the Bodarvesky is by a Russian - perhaps they have a different attitude toward Alexandra.  The Bodarevsky is more regal, imposing and luxurious.  The Kaulbach is more fragile, light and tentative, even a bit nervous.

The Bodarevsky is painted in the Portrait Hall of the Alexander Palace.

There was at least one full-sized copy of the Kaulbach made by a Russian artist  - it is at the Russian Museum.

I saw the full-sized Kaulbach years ago when it was being restored - it appeared rather dark, but the lighting was bad in the studio at Pavlovsk.

I have seen Kaulbach's pastel of Elizabeth - wow - that's a showstopper.  There was also a Kaulbach of Ernie - I don't remember if I saw that.  Both were in the Maple Room.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Arleen on April 04, 2004, 10:05:13 AM
Wouldn't it be lovely to see BOTH paintings....pictures of them, side by side???  I am just wild to see all of these things in the museums and palaces, my dream for many years, but am physically disabled and will never make it.  So what you'all put up on the website and in these discussion groups is so important to me.  Thank you for it!!   ..Arleen
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 04, 2004, 09:38:00 PM
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There's a portrait of Alexandra painted in 1907 by Nikolai Kornilevich Bodarevsky. Oil on canvas 268 x 135cm. Acquired from Pavlovsk Palace Museum in 1959.

This painting looks rather similar to the Kaulbach painting. The pose is the same only Alexandra's dress is a bit different and she's wearing more jewels. It's a beautiful portrait. Am I mixing up things?? Do you know
where this portrait is now?


Hello Anna,
As far as i know i saw Bodarevsky study in the Winter Palace, it was hung in the portrait gallery, that long corridor just behind the state rooms overlooking the Neva river( Anteroom, Nikolaevsky and Concert hall). The Kaulbach study i saw last summer in Pavlovsk at the Rossi library.There was an exhibition of the museum collections and contained many pre wwii guides to the Alexander Palace.
I´m sorry to say that Kaulbach´s work didn´t impress me much, between this and that of Bodarevsky i definitely prefer the second. Kaulbach is too sweet and ideal, so to say, and lacks psychologic insight. On the contrary, Bodarevsky is powerful, real and (for me) overwhelming. When i´ve been right in front of this study i could see the real Alexandra as i think she was. And, as it uses to be in 18th, 19th siecle paintings , the study is better than the final painting, if not as state portrait at least as work of art. Contradictory as i may appear i prefer Kaulbach´s full size portrait than Bodarevsky´s equivalent. I find Bodarevsky´s final work colder than Kaulbach´s and too stately...
My father is academician of painting and taught me since childhood to see paintings technically and sometimes beyond the beauty of costumes or jewels. He loves Bodarevsky´s study and so do i...

Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 04, 2004, 10:02:51 PM
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Here's the location of Kaulbach's portrait of Alexandra in Nicholas's New Study - I am not sure why it's missing here.  On the mantle is a marble bust of Alexandra by Anatolsky.  It was found by Kuchumov after the war broken.  I don't know where it is now, I assume Pavlovsk.



Hello Bob,

I´ve found the Antokolsky bust of Alexandra and another of Nicholas (made as a pair says the catalogue)in the catalogue of an exhibition in the Russian Museum for the 150 years of the artist´s birth. As far as i can translate Nicholas bust is in the Moscow Historic Museum  collection and Alexandra´s is in Pavlovsk collection. In Pavlovsk there´s also a copy of Nicholas´ bust of lesser size and made of bisque.
Icluded in the catalogue is the "Rusalka" that Alexandra had place in the Maple room just behind the couch near the windows and is now preserved in Pavlovsk. The book is black and white but the photographs are full page, face and profile and very beautiful.

Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 05, 2004, 10:48:55 AM
Antonio:

There was also a lovely porcelain done of this bust of Alexandra in France around 1903.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 05, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
Hello Bob,
I suppose you mean that very lovely  bust that appears in the book Nicholas II, the imperial family, that is preserved in Peterhof, isn´t it?
Thanks for the information,
Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: JM on April 05, 2004, 01:15:22 PM
What happend to the stairs in the palace? Are there any pictures of how they look now?
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 05, 2004, 01:28:08 PM
The stairs of Nicholas and Alexandra´s wing are to my taste very simple, marble stairs, i think, and blue painted typical iron railings. Don´t know how they looked like before the war but the must be very similar in its present estate. Perhaps the had some paintings and a carpet...really not know for sure.

Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 05, 2004, 02:20:38 PM
Ok, I simply must ask.
What with all this absolutely marvelous discussion of the interiors, how accurate were the depictions in the film N&A ?
for that matter, even in Fall of Eagles?
Were the set designers fairly spot-on?
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 06, 2004, 12:30:16 AM
Thanks Bob for your wonderful enlargements of the Kaulbach painting et. al. Is it the original that hangs in teh Formal recption room now or a copy???
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 06, 2004, 12:33:43 AM
To Mr. Hall although the movie N& A won several Academy Awards for costume and set design none of it wass filmed in Russia the principle photography I believe was in the Royal Palace in Prague Checkoslovakia the made for TV Movie on Catherine the Great I beleive was the first shot at Tsarskoe Selo for the west. It contains an interesting irony showing a young Catherine conversing with the British Ambassador while walking the Cmaeron Gallery which of course was built for her Much later ...But the scenes in teh Catheirne Palace are absolutely gorgeous!!!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 06, 2004, 12:37:20 AM
I am an aritst and Historian and I am working on a cutaway drawing of the palace as it looked during the regin of Nicholas II I have partially finsihed Alexandra's rooms but would appreciate anything anyone has on the rooms, colours, dimensions and any photographs that might have been previously unavailable, particularly of the corridors, Nicholas's Dressing room, the walls facing the windows in teh Parade ROOM. Al;so did the doors in the Portrait Hall and Billiard Hall open to the garden as they appear in photgraphs???
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Greg_King on April 06, 2004, 02:28:58 AM
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Ok, I simply must ask.
What with all this absolutely marvelous discussion of the interiors, how accurate were the depictions in the film N&A ?
for that matter, even in Fall of Eagles?
Were the set designers fairly spot-on?
Cheers,
Robert


Hey Bobby-

I have the set plans from "N/A" and some photos taken as tests, so as to general thoughts on this: the only things really copied were sort of thematic-i.e., A's Boudoir, N's study, the bedroom with twin brass beds and walls hung with icons.  No attempt was made to match up colors, papers, carpets, etc.  It was more a "feel" of the Alexander Palace they went for.  So you had, for example, elements of things-like a chaise-longue in the boudoir, and walls hung in a mauve floral paper (but not striped as it should have been), but no real copying.

"Fall of Eagles" is less successful in this respect in that they only did one "real" room on set mock-up-A's boudoir, and that, being L-shaped with marble columns and gilded bases and capitals, wasn't anything like the real room.  Most of the interiors for "FOE" were done at Holkam and Houghton Halls in Norfolk, and at Harewood House in Yorkshire, so they simply relied on what they found there.

Ironically, among the best created sets for a Romanov film were probably those for the wildly inaccurate "Catherine the Great" (1934) and "Rasputin and the Empress"-the latter took great pains to copy things like N's study at the AP, though, again, many of the sets were simplly thrown together to represent what might be found.

Greg King
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Greg_King on April 06, 2004, 08:28:02 AM
As a P.S., I should add that the AP sets built for "N/A" consisted of a mere 10 rooms, though all were linked together to form a pretty immense layout-N/A's bedroom, with open doors to blank "other rooms," this opening to the boudoir, both opening to the hall with staircase to the upper floor, N's study, L-shaped to form round a corner of the hall and boudoir and opening to the hall and the long L-shaped hall with columns down which N/A process several times, a larger rotunda-like room near the short end of the hall with columns, and an opening to a blank room fitted with an apse.  The Alexei bedroom set was behind the hall with the stairs, and the other three sets along the hall with columns: two sort of audience rooms on the same side as the boudoir and study, and a very large set that served as Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaievich's palace (where the birthday party for the Dowager Empress took place) which was also converted to serve as the AP chapel in the scene with Alexandra and Rasputin.  It's too bad they didn't preserve the sets as they cost a lot of money-real marble columns and floors (imitation marble warped under the lights)!

Greg King
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Post by: Nick_Nicholson on April 06, 2004, 11:24:12 AM
Bob,

Where is the original Kaulbach of Elizabeth?  Is it at the Russian Museum (after having been taken out of the Sergeievsky Palace) or was it at Ilinskoye??

Nick
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 09, 2004, 04:19:23 PM
Hi Greg
Thanks for the detailed information on the sets.  I agree, wish they had been preserved, however, have been told by several folk in  the industry that most of the items were "recycled" many times for other film & tv projects. A pretty common practice in the industry. [until they finally started to fall apart].
Same with the costumes & uniforms, which I was told were recently [?] sold off. Would have loved to be at that sale!
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Post by: BobAtchison on April 10, 2004, 12:14:05 PM
Joanna:

I know the door was the first window in the Maple Room.   I am not sure how it was modified exactly.  The balcony was damaged during the war and was removed by the Russians after the war.

Bob
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Post by: BobAtchison on April 10, 2004, 05:30:09 PM
You can see the doormat on the balcony just to the left of nicholas's foot in the picture below.  Below that is a device for cleaing your feet before entering the palace.

There isn't a step leading up so you could climb through a window, so I have to think the door extended all the way down.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/balconyf.jpeg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 10, 2004, 10:56:56 PM
About the balcony:
Being in a concert in the Hermitage theater i was surprised when i saw that the iron railings of the stairs leading directly to the foyer from an entrance in the palace embarkment  had the very same design than that of the Empress´balcony. It´s common with iron works to repeat the models for different buildings but had never noticed this one. It would be quite simple to restore the balcony, wouldn´t it?
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 10, 2004, 11:32:21 PM
Hey, Joanna!
You are right, there were two other balconies. One was surounding the palace church and the other around Maria Feodorovna´s Blue boudoir. Both two were corner shaped with two flights of steps. Of course there was also the balcony of the Semi circular hall...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 11, 2004, 05:17:26 AM
Hello!

I have just read in a book the following piece of information: -

!In the Alexander Palace today, a chair is placed in the window corner (of the Mauve Boudoir) and a selection of copy prints recalls the many groups that were posed there.."

Interesting!!! :)
Best wishes,
Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 11, 2004, 10:52:02 AM
Antonio:

You are VERY, VERY observant - this railing was used in many places.  Yopu can see it used in some of the palaces at Peterhof, too - I believe the Belvedere.  In the Hermitage the railing is also used near the director's office.

The balconies were built at various times.  The one outside Maria's room (the chapel in Nicholas & Alexandra's Time) had a device for the lifting of blooming lemon and orange trees onto it.

The was a big metal awning outside the semi-cirular hall that had a greek-key pattern - it was removed and used elsewhere.

There may have been original pipes in different places.  Unfortunately the recent restoration of the roof destroyed much of the original.  When they restoration was under way I asked why the original roof line was not followed and things like the skylight in the corner of the upper corridor (the inside ceiling panels are there for it) were not restored, my question was simply brushed away.  As far as I know no survey of study of the roof was conducted in that roof replacement.  That was very sad.

Bob
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 11, 2004, 12:14:09 PM
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Hello!

I have just read in a book the following piece of information: -

!In the Alexander Palace today, a chair is placed in the window corner (of the Mauve Boudoir) and a selection of copy prints recalls the many groups that were posed there.."

Interesting!!! :)
Best wishes,
Elisa :)


I photographed this important family corner in the palace and will send the photo for posting. The curators more or less tried to recreate the old appearance ...also took a photograph of the authentic desk that Kuchumov saved and is now in the mauve boudoir.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 11, 2004, 12:30:28 PM
In my personal opinion the way the current museum is showing the unrestored rooms is very bad.  People are visiting the palace and commenting on how boring or uninteresing it is.  People have very high expectations of what they are going to see in places like the Mauve Room and when they get there they see tacky things.

For example, if Alix's desk has not been restored properly it is not in a position to be shown to the public.  Kuchumov was only able to find part of it and he just had it fixed up for him to use personally as a desk.  This desk was an extremely well made custom piece of furniture designed by Meltzer.  It was very carefully painted and was a work-of-art.  perhspa they have restored since I last saw it - I hope so.

I realize the curators - who are paid next to nothing - are working VERY HARD with no money to do what they would like to do.  Unfortunately, I think it could be harming the future restoration of the palace if the Alexander Palace gets the reputation of being cheap or trival.  The original decoration was extremely luxurious , the finest fabrics, carpets, incredibly delicate carved furniture, etc... whatever one thinks about the style of living they were palace rooms.  All of this will need to be recreated.  It will be a difficult task and expensive.

For us who love the palace it doesn't matter as much, we just want to see the rooms - but I am thinking of the public and the press.

Bob

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 11, 2004, 12:46:48 PM
I´m of the same opinion Bob. The palace rooms are full of bad quality furniture, some original things seem nothing amidst the heavy and ungraceful armchairs so different to the exquisite pieces by Meltzer. I loved to see Alexandra´s original desk, no matter in what shape but i understand your point of view...
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Post by: BobAtchison on April 11, 2004, 01:09:56 PM
Antonio:

It is hard to believe that that desk was really hers!  I remember when Kuchumov showed it to me many years ago.  I could simply not believe my ears and eyes.  I cried when I touched it.  It was as if I was right there with her in the Mauve Room - you will understand my feelings.

I wish you could have goine to Yekaterinburg with me to see the remains.  When I was in front of Alexandra I said to her, "Alix - all this way I have come to be with you, my spiritual mother and my friend and now finally I am with you." All of the workers in the morgue that were there and several other Orthodox pilgrims from New York  who were there that day, we all fell to our knees and we said prayers.  It was very moving.

She was in a plastic case with a round domed top, lying on a plain surface with the reamisn arranged as if she were there.  They had attached ikons to the front of the cases and flowers.  They were locked shut with lead seals.  I thought - "she's so small".

Around Alix were her children and husband as well as Botkin and the servants.  It was if they were all there present - very sad, very intense.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 11, 2004, 02:43:17 PM
Well Bob,
That experience of yours is a blessing. I will never see them this way, not to say touch Alix...But i´ve dreamt of it many times, what i would say, what i would feel...and can understand your feelings, specially the words "spiritual mother", it´s incredible but i´ve always think of her that way too.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 11, 2004, 02:48:14 PM
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Antonio:

It is hard to believe that that desk was really hers!  I remember when Kuchumov showed it to me many years ago.  I could simply not believe my ears and eyes.  I cried when I touched it.  It was as if I was right there with her in the Mauve Room - you will understand my feelings.


I fi would have touched that desk i would have instantly thought of the moment she entered the boudoir crying, almost fainting, after knowing about Nicholas´abdication and leaned on it, so many memories...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet_Ashton on April 11, 2004, 03:03:48 PM
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In my personal opinion the way the current museum is showing the unrestored rooms is very bad.  People are visiting the palace and commenting on how boring or uninteresing it is.  People have very high expectations of what they are going to see in places like the Mauve Room and when they get there they see tacky things.


I don't think people are being very reasonable, then, I'm afraid. They should be aware of the state the Palace was in until recently; it would just take a glance at the rest of this to remind them of this. I think the Alexander Palace has bigger priorities than providing a perfectly restored Mauve Room for western tourists, unfortunately, and I'd rather see the rooms open with a few pieces of crude furniture in them than not open at all....and I should imagine too that opening it is helping towards raising the funds for further refurbishment. When I last saw it - and it was less than two years ago, so I am wondering how much has changed - there was little there - I did not leave with the impression that the place was stuffed with ugly or tasteless furniture (and I actually know a thing or two about Edwardian design)

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For example, if Alix's desk has not been restored properly it is not in a position to be shown to the public.  Kuchumov was only able to find part of it and he just had it fixed up for him to use personally as a desk.  This desk was an extremely well made custom piece of furniture designed by Meltzer.  It was very carefully painted and was a work-of-art.  perhspa they have restored since I last saw it - I hope so.

I realize the curators - who are paid next to nothing - are working VERY HARD with no money to do what they would like to do.  Unfortunately, I think it could be harming the future restoration of the palace if the Alexander Palace gets the reputation of being cheap or trival.  The original decoration was extremely luxurious , the finest fabrics, carpets, incredibly delicate carved furniture, etc... whatever one thinks about the style of living they were palace rooms.  All of this will need to be recreated.  It will be a difficult task and expensive.

For us who love the palace it doesn't matter as much, we just want to see the rooms - but I am thinking of the public and the press.

Bob



I didn't feel that it was cheap or trivial at all. Everyone who worked there took great pains to show us things, with real pleasure in the place - a pleasure you just don't see in the larger palaces. They are aware that people go there mainly because of Nicholas II; at the same time the palace is an architectural monument with a longer history; they have to work on both aspects as you know.....I am sort of puzzled, because I feel that those who go there to see the Palace should not worry about not seeing N and A's furniture; whereas those who go there to see it as N and As home should appreciate being in the place at last and not worry that they don't get more....

Just thoughts.

Janet
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 11, 2004, 03:24:02 PM
Having been involved in the raising of the $250,000 for the roof and with the WMF through their development of the master plan for the restoration I can tell you that  there is a real problem getting people and foundations interested in giving the money required when they see the rooms like this.

I have personally taken people through them that have decided not to be involved because they thought the restoration of these rooms unimportant and trivial in relation to the great gilded interiors of the Big Palace.  They see the cheap furnishings in the New Study and the stuff in the Mauve Room and they become completely turned off.

Groups no longer go to the AP because they have been told 'there's nothing there' and the guides won't go there.  I think there has been a significant decrease in interest in the restoration of the palace in the last couple of years, for the reason I have mentioned among other things.

As I said before this is no criticism of the curators, who are doing the best they can.  If I had a million I would give it to them for the restoration of the Mauve Room.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Arleen on April 11, 2004, 03:34:13 PM
Bob, Thank you for your sweet spiritual words about touching the desk and seeing the remains.....you simply cannot imagine what an experience it is to read when you are physiclly disabled and know that you will never be able to visit the place you most dream of. You make so much "come alive" for me with your beautiful words and the pictures that you post. I am totally grateful!!   ..Arleen  
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 11, 2004, 06:15:28 PM
Bob,
I not being very religous, nor a fan of Alix by any means, was in any case very moved by your description of visiting her remains.  It would have affected me as well, I am sure.
However, the palace: so the prospects of a restoration look rather grim?  I am hoping to visit in the next year or two, perhaps by then something will have been accomplished?   A close friend of mine went 2 years ago & was extremely dissapointed, told me not to bother. But I think he was rather tired of palaces by the time he got there, he had been draged thorugh a couple of dozen  I think & had become bored anyway.
I suppose, under these circumstances, that it is best to leave the original furnishings where they are? [Pavlosk, etc.].
Although that era of furnishing is considered "way out of fashion" now, didn't someone mention there were plans to redesign their rooms to a more "moderne" style?  I wonder what that "style" would have been?  I can't see Alix going Deco !!  In looking through catalogues of pre-war furniture, light maple and pine seem to have been popular. Also pastel colours? Well, would have been, as war seems to cause detraction from such things.

Cheers & Happy Easter
Robert
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 11, 2004, 07:32:18 PM
there are many things  i cannot understand,
I see all the palaces better and better each year, recreated furniture in Pavlovsk, resurrected pavillions in Tsarskoe and especially the restoration works that are taking place in so many places in Peterhof. I´m happy for that all. But what happens with those places related to Nicholas´reign? It seems as if all the money spent on that purpose goes directly to the other palaces...Strelna palace and park has  literally risen from the ashes just because Putin thought it could fit his summer residence.
Six millions are nothing to so many rich people in the world, including some russian bussinesmen...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet_Ashton on April 12, 2004, 04:32:57 AM
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In Big Trifles and Little People: Memoirs of a Russian Nobleman by Anatol Kotenev
http://books.iuniverse.com/viewbooks.asp?isbn=1583487220&page=fm3
In 1906 he visited the Alexander Palace to meet with Prince Vladimir Nikolaevich Orlov in his appartment on the first floor.

Bob do you know where this appartment is located? Is it opposite the corridor from the ladies-in-waiting suites and facing the children's pond?

Also is this Prince Orlov the person that Anna Vyrubova was said to be in love with?

Joanna



This Orlov was Major-General a la Suite to Nicholas II (as was his brother [?] Alexis); the Orlov Anna was said to be in love was Alexander Alexandrovich...

Janet
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 12, 2004, 09:01:57 AM
No one except members of the family had rooms on the ground floor.  The English Suite was used for guests - that was on the ground floor.  The Commandant's (Beckendorffs, Orbelani, Vyrubova, Orchard's, Schnieder's, etc also) room was on the second floor - that could be what the Russians call the first floor. Perhaps that's what he meant.

Those memoirs are very good - it's funny how time plays tricks on your memory and fleeting memories can morph with time.  The gray marble columns of the New Study become malachite, Alexandra receives him in a light-blue velvet and gilt room etc...

Thank you for telling us about that book!

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 12, 2004, 09:25:07 AM
Robert:

When Suzanne and I were pushing for the reopenning of the palace back in the early 90's there was a lot of opposition to the restoration of the rooms of Nicholas and Alexandra  Many people wanted the palace restored to the way it was in the reign of Nicholas I.  There is still talk of destroying the New Study and restoring the Quarenghi-Stasov Music Room.

This is because of four things;  one, some people feel that the interiors of the period of Nicholas II are trivial and decadent (not grand enough).  Two, some people believe Nicholas and Alexandra are negative personalities in Russian history and should not be memorialised this way.  Three, some people resent the 'foreign obsession' with Nicholas and Alexandra and don't want to encourage it.  Four, some people see interest in restoring the rooms a sign of right-wing enthusiasm for past Russian power.

At one time I think there were people who thought there would be hordes of people who would want to visit the AP and lots of money flowing that way.  When it didn't happen they lost interest.  I heard that there was even talk of closing the palace again because of lack of interest in it.

I think the best thing in the world would be to get $6M, close the palace - completely restore the rooms of the ground floor Imperial wing and center parade rooms to international standards - and then reopen.  I think people's opinions of the palace would be completely changed if they could see the Mauve Room sparkle and shimming like it did when it was new, smell the rose oil from the ikon lamps in the bedroom, see everything just as it was.  A restored Maple Room would be one of the glories of Russian museums.

My concern as always is that the restoration not be superficial - a cardboard cake - but be a real re-creation.  It can be done.

I pray to God that it will happen!  Does anyone know an angel that can help us?

Bob



Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 12, 2004, 01:00:30 PM
Bob, thank you for the reply.
I can see restoration of  SOME rooms, perhaps, the famous "mauve"  as well as  the Maple  rooms.  Perhaps a total recreation of the palace in N&A's day is unreasonable.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 12, 2004, 01:19:23 PM
I vote with Robert.  Not just because of the expense, but also because the four reasons Bob listed have validity, especially 2-4.  Those of us living outside of Russia have the luxury of viewing the Nicholas and Alexandra story in a different way. Whereas today in  Russia there are those who want to use the N & A story to whip up anti-Semitic feelings . . . which, as we know from Greg and Penny's book, is not valid!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 12, 2004, 03:50:49 PM
Robert I agree with you - a total restoration is out of the question and practically impossible in any case.  I just can't see the public being interested in the rooms of the Suite or even the office of Alexander III.

People will mostly come to the palace for the story of Nicholas and Alexandra - expecting great things - especially for the story to be told or experienced in some way.  I hope that a number of people would also come to see Roman Meltzer's rooms - I really think the Maple Room and the New Study would be breathtaking as an ensemble, fully furnished with the best fabrics, drapery and carpets....  The Mauve Room, Pallisander Room and the Bedroom could really bring the story alive and show luxurious interior decoration of the time.  All this is doable.  Combine it with the parade Rooms, the Chapel, Alix's Reception room plus Nicholas's office and you'd have a great Imperial 'house' museum.

I'd say lets do the children's rooms too sometime in the near future.

Bob

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: jackie3 on April 12, 2004, 07:10:09 PM
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Robert:

This is because of four things;  one, some people feel that the interiors of the period of Nicholas II are trivial and decadent (not grand enough).  Two, some people believe Nicholas and Alexandra are negative personalities in Russian history and should not be memorialised this way.  Three, some people resent the 'foreign obsession' with Nicholas and Alexandra and don't want to encourage it.  Four, some people see interest in restoring the rooms a sign of right-wing enthusiasm for past Russian power.



Bob, one would think that with the economic difficulties Russia is in (and has been in for years) they would realize that the best way to raise money for ANY resotration is tourism and that 90+% of the people going to see the Alexander Palace are only going there because of N&A. I myself would certainly love to go if I had the time free but I wouldn't bother if was just to see anything from the reigns of Nicholas I, the Tsar-Liberator, Alexander III or even the mysterious Alexander I. They are interesting historical figures but I don't feel I have any personal  connection to them like I do with the last Imperial family. I'm sure most visitors to Tsarskoe Selo (even Russian ones just discovering their history after a almost a century of Communist propaganda) would feel the same.

Oh and I envy you for seeing Alix and the others in Yekaterinburg. I don't know if I could have handled it - as it is I almost turn away when I see the remains being handled by human hands just in book photos or documentaries.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 12, 2004, 07:15:00 PM
Would the chidren's rooms even be possible? Thought that floor has been totally re-arranged, the rooms gone?
Of course, I could be wrong. You know far more than me.
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 12, 2004, 10:17:28 PM
I only walked down through the corridor and went into the area of Aleksey's rooms - we had several meetings there.  It was quite amzing sitting there with the windows open in Aleksey's rooms - you could see the trees outside and the birds were singing.  You could see the swallows nests the children wrote about.

The corridor still had it's original ceiling where we were - the rooms did seem differently arranged but I was sort of confused as we entered a few doors down from Aleksey's bedroom but ended up there.

The girl's rooms were closed to us.

It seems the changes may have been minimal....

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 13, 2004, 03:17:35 AM
I think everyone is missing the point here.
Even the flavor of Nicholas and Alexandra's reign is enough to capture the imagination. The current condition of the rooms is in some ways a sad testimony to teh non'identity that the last Tsar and his family have in Russia. With the renewed interest in them this is of course improving. I think once the Russians fully realize teh lucrative nature of Nichollas and Alexandra as a money making draw for the palace their attitdues would change. Think how much money in touristrevenue would be generate by teh number of people wishing to see the place where they lived and where the events took place. So much of the history of the revolution is focused at teh palace one might say it is the antithesis of Smolny ( where the Communist events took place) I think a full restoration will be possible when someone there has the courage to take the step. I for one would be gratified to see the few items no matter how flawed they might be that give a glimpse of what was.  I also agree with Bob that the whole ensemble needs to be restored and showed off.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 13, 2004, 08:56:12 PM
There is a glass of milk by the bed - this glass of milk was by all the children and their parents at night.  Nicholas was a big milk drinker.  The milk came from the Imperial dairies at the Imperial farm in the park.

If I remember right there's an ikon pinned to the blue-ticking cover of the headboard of the camp bed... but maybe my memory is bad...

You can see these same covers on their beds at Tobolsk.

It's a grusome thing to say but the murderers wiped their bloody hands on these covers in Yekaterinburg.  Now it makes me shutter when I see them.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 13, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
When it comes to Anastasia, nothing is ever quite too weird!  She definitely had an imagination, and certainly a case of "look-at-me"-itis, undoubtedly because she was the youngest of four girls, as well as a probable sense of competition with Alexei when it came to attracting attention. (Though I'm not suggesting it was hostile attention-getting, but the kind that was probably meant to distract others away from Alexei--and his fragility?--more than anything else.)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Olga on April 14, 2004, 10:55:11 AM
i have two opinions on the restoration of the Alexander Palace..........

1)all the rooms should be restored with their original furniture in place, but if some items have been lost, then accurate replicas should be made. however, ALL the rooms of the palace should be opened to the public. just being in the various rooms would be an experience in itself, knowing the many historical events that had taken place and the people who had lived there.  :o

2) with the state of the russian economy and country in general at the moment (the reference to the Time of Troubles in another thread was not uncalled for), i think that money and support should not be asked for from the government by people working on the restorarion of the palace.  i realise that most of the money has come from fundraising, but the government has better things to worry about at the moment.

after that second rant im probably going to sound like i dont care at all! oh well.............. :-[
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 14, 2004, 11:47:35 AM
Hello Olga,
I totally agree with you about the economical situation in Russia, but i think the government is sometimes quite contradictory....or could someone tell me where the money came from to restore the full enssemble of the Strelna palace as official summer residence for president Putin????
Quite amazing.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 14, 2004, 12:04:36 PM
From what I read daily in the newspapers, and hear from my friend in Yalta, Russia continues to be in a precarious situation, comparable to pre-Revolutionary times.  So many opinions, so many troubles.  

Restoration of a palace that was occupied by those who were unable to stop--and perhaps exacerbated--Russia's 19th and early 20th century problems is undoubtedly far down on the list for most Russians.  I think it will be up to the efforts of a dedicated (if small) group of Russia preservationists and the financial support of Russian and nonRussian financiers to restore the palace.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 15, 2004, 03:02:43 AM
This is just a suggestion but that Russian Financier who bought the Faberge Eggs from Forbes....I thought he was looking for a venue to show the eggs. Why not in their original Setting.....the Alexander Palace
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 15, 2004, 03:22:55 AM
That is the problem. They were not all kept at the AP.
Some were at the Anickov, some at the Winter Palace, I think some even at Livadia.
These were Easter gifts, so they were placed probably wherever they were given.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet_Ashton on April 15, 2004, 07:06:59 AM
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This is just a suggestion but that Russian Financier who bought the Faberge Eggs from Forbes....I thought he was looking for a venue to show the eggs. Why not in their original Setting.....the Alexander Palace



I don't know about displaying  the eggs in the Palace (as Robert says, they weren't all kept there), but as far as looking for a backer for restoration is concerned, I think you are making an excellent suggestion. From what I have read, this man Vekselberg is extremely keen on the last imperial family - one of his suggestions was that he display the eggs in the new Cathedral in Ekaterinburg, so I doubt his interest in only artistic.
Perhaps Bob knows whether V. has ever shown any specific interest in the Palace?

Janet
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 15, 2004, 09:14:59 AM
Janet:  I have never met him, nor do I know much about him other than what I have read. Nick may have met him.  He might be a nice person, he may love Russian history and want to do positive things as you suggest.  He could be different than many other Russian businessmen...

To date my experiences with the new Russian oligarchs have not been good - so I stay away from them as much as possible.  In general I would say they are men who have grown up in a totalitarian system - with all its baggage regarding the use of power and the role of the 'boss'.  Many of them I have met are like Tony Soprano and act like him.

I figure this will change in Russia soon.  We had our Robber Baron period here in the USA.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 15, 2004, 12:59:40 PM
The Eggs belonged to the Last Imperial Family. The majorioty of the eggs were gifts from Nicholas to his wife and they lived at the Alexander Palace. A fully restored Palace coupled with the Faberge eggs would be a perfect venue to make money for all involved.

Eggs + palace =Tourists which= $$$$$

An interesting equation for whomever might be invovled. I know the Forbes Gallery enjoyed considerable attendance due to the Imperial Eggs.

AS an added note most of Alexandra's eggs would have been kept at the Alexander Palace. The older eggs...pre 1901 that were part of teh World's Fair where at the Winter Palace on display. Given that the Imperial Family practically abandoned the WInter Palace after 1905 and given Alexandra's sentimental nature I would beleieve the bulk of them were there with her.

The ones at the Anichkov Palace were the personal property of Marie
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 15, 2004, 03:32:45 PM
Actually, Alix picked certain eggs for the AP, I assume these were her favorite ones.  The Empress sent things she didn't feel a great attachment to over to the Winter Palace or they just remained there when they left the last time.  They had so many things (and more were arriving all the time) there really wasn't room for much to be displayed.  The AP storerooms were chock-full of gifts and such.  We are talking about thousands of things, all tagged.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 15, 2004, 05:33:42 PM
I imagine it was much the same as now:
so&so is coming over, bring out whatver it was he/she gave us.
I do find it interesting that tha "eggs" were not taken with any of them, however. Considering they were/are more valuable than any of the jewelry
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 15, 2004, 05:53:32 PM
I don't think the Romanovs viewed the Faberge eggs quite the way we do!  For them the eggs were sentimental objects rather than items of international value.  Plus it was the ingenuity that went into the creation of the eggs--not necessarily their materials-- which made them valuable.  And separate jewel stones and small items of  jewelry were also so much easier to transport and, if necessary, hide . . .
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on April 15, 2004, 06:20:38 PM
Robert,
Just for some perspective on the value of the eggs in those days, Alexandra took a brooch holding a single diamond of 100 carats when they left. The value in those days would have paid for ALL of the Faberge eggs she had. The value of the eggs today is highly inflated much more than any equivalent value in 1918.  The gold, stones, etc were not worth all that much, and even the labor to make them was much cheaper than today. Nick, Im sure can help out here with details, but the diamonds, emeralds and rubies that Alexandra took with her were far more valuable than the Faberge items. The Faberge pieces were chosen strictly for sentimental value.
See our new page of the Imperial jewels found hidden in Tobolsk in 1933
http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/jewelslist.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 15, 2004, 06:21:09 PM
Hello Janet,
I agree with you that they did not see the eggs the way we do nowadays. However, due to these objects´ links to many of their life´s most important moments and that many portrayed the children or their homes i wonder why Alexandra did not take some of them at least. I suppose that the fact Nicholas presented her with these eggs augmented their value. The size of the eggs also mede them easy to carry. Were perhaps the eggs confiscated after the revolution?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 15, 2004, 06:56:27 PM
Hi Antonio!

They did take many things of personal value with them, but of course left many personal items as well.

The eggs are not tremendously large, but the cases they are stored in are bulky. Also, I remember reading that Alexandra enjoyed putting them on public display for charity benefits . . . so perhaps, in comparison to items which were never reviewed by the public, she considered the Faberge eggs to be more of a public attraction than a personal keepsake.  

Of course  :-*, the eggs may not have been easily accessible by the time things started going wrong.  I'm not sure where they were at the time of Rasputin's death, the children's illnesses, and then Nicholas's abdication.  But by the time they were all under house arrest, thinking about what to do about the Faberge eggs was probably among the least of their concerns.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 15, 2004, 07:54:31 PM
The eggs were an annual present - Nicholas really had very liitle input on what they were to be.  On this subject Nick can tell us more.

As Janet and others have said above, Alix liked a piece because of its sentimental value as well as it's beauty.  I can't imagine she saw this as a 'personal' gift from her husband.  Also, the mechanical eggs were popular with the children.

She gave the eggs a place of honor in her boudoirs and the corner cabinet in the Maple Room was the place of highest honor.  It was also safe from the children.

What Alexandra loved the most were cheap little presents her children gave her - these she keep in special cases in her bedroom that were originally designed as jewel cases.  Here were little ceramic penquins and other figurines that her kids gave her.

However, we can never forget that Alix had the largest personal jewel collection in the world - and it was all in her bedroom.  The Bedroom at the AP was a private vault for some of the most precious jewels in private hands anywhere in the world...

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark Byron on April 15, 2004, 10:10:51 PM
I found the 1933 jewel list very interesting. My question is this.When the family left the palace in the summer of 1917, What was the initial dollar value of the jewels they packed away before dividing them up and sending them out of the Tobolsk Mansion and then sewing up the remaining items?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on April 15, 2004, 10:22:55 PM
Mark,
From my research, I can say that a rough estimate of value would be that one ruble before WWI was equal in purchasing power to $10 in today's currency. Inflation in the war, plus the unreal values of Soviet rubles make it hard to say. So, the 3, 270,793 rubles, albeit 1933 rubles, would easily be in the millions of dollars in today's money, my gut feeling is perhaps five to ten million dollar then, double that now. Nick could probably tell us what a 100 carat diamond stone would be worth then and  today...not to mention the rest.  Nick?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Nick_Nicholson on April 16, 2004, 10:20:10 AM
Hi All,

Needless to say, this is a very difficult group of questions.  I agree with Forum Administrator's value of 1 gold rouble having the approximate purchasing value of 10 dollars.  But remember, that even today, 10 dollars will buy you a lot more, say, in Texas or Conecticut than it will in New York or London, so the relative value is difficult to estimate.

Current sale prices for the Imperial Eggs (and I would yield to other scholars on this) place the "auction" value of the eggs at approximately 10-15,000,000 each.  This price would be affected by condition, presence or absence of the surprise, etc.  In the period, however, the eggs were certainly less valuable.

The most expensive egg ever ordered was the 1913 Winter Egg at 24,600 roubles.  Now by the $10 comparison, that places the egg at about $246,0000.  That is probably what the actual value of the materials of the winter egg is today, not including the labor.  If you ordered the Winter Egg from a Jeweler today (as if you could find someone to do it!) it would cost three or four times that.

So you can see that the other factor which enhances the value is the fact that it beloned to the Imperial Family.   The eggs made for the Kelch family are the equal of any egg made for the imperial family, but they trade for around 3,000,000 to 5,000,000 when they sell on the open market.  

As for Empress Alexandra's jewelry, there is no question that it was almost incomprehensibly valuable.  A perfect 100 carat diamond (and alexandra's was probably not flawless by today's standards) would cost easily tens of millions of dollars.  The value of a diamond per carat escalates as the stone increases in size, and refines further as the stone's quality is determined.  When you add to it the fact that the stone was the property of the Imperial Family, the last Empress, was taken with the family to Siberia, secreted by nuns for 20 years, and then rediscovered and sent to Moscow, you have an absolute formula for a far above record price I couldn't even guess.

Best,

Nick
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 16, 2004, 04:17:43 PM
Joanna:

I have a number of undated pictures of Victoria in the AP.  During the last visit she brought her daughter.  Victoria left her jewels with Alexandra as well.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 16, 2004, 04:18:26 PM
Nick:

Thank you for that great psoting on the value...

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 17, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
If you wish a value on the Tsars estate and holdings the best source I have seen this far was THE LOST FORTUNE OF THE TSAR  by William Calrke from teh Bank of England he does a wodnerful job tracing the assets before during adn after the revolution. He talked of Beckendorffs audit of the Alexander Palace  before the family left. He meticulously catalgued and locked the Imperial Rooms, which were obviously unlocked after they left. What ever happened to the list??"?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 17, 2004, 12:35:00 AM
If anyone is curious go to the Pavlovsk website and access PALACE then go to INTERIOR MUSEUM and then to MAPLE STUDY and you can see a lot fo things, as Bob said came from Alexander !
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark Byron on April 17, 2004, 12:36:19 PM
I want to thank everyone for so much info-it really clarified  my question.Even though, what I asked was kinda vague. What they were thinkin of, what they thought they had to do upon leaving their home.  This is what I'm interested in, right now. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 17, 2004, 06:07:41 PM
Nick, Bob, well everyone...this is a fascinating subject.
My home is overstuffed with "things". If I were forced to leave, what would I choose?  Probably the photo albums. Useful clothes.
Cheap, common sentiment would rule.
On another subject,  I wonder what Alexandra thought in choosing her jewels?  Most had probably been gifts?  She was not particularly vain, not did she care for  the flashy court functions, so how did she end up with so much? I do not see her as greedy either. The private rooms of AP were rather dull, at least in taste of the time, I think. I think it interesting that her  boudoir was the largest jewelry vault in the world [at the time]. Although some Indian prince had quite wesome collections as well didn't they?
I guess Liz Taylor's 60 carat diamond is rather puny compared with that poor woman.

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on April 17, 2004, 06:47:25 PM
Thanks, Londo! My copy of "Lost Fortine " is at the office-will grab it n go thru it again. Robert, what I was originally pondering, was what was their state of mind, going thru their possesions, after Alix  burning letters months earlier, then realizing that this was real. Being moved from their home. Did they go into orange elert? I would imagine Alix taking the lead, the Czar sittting by, smoking a cigarette. And then realizing the jewels were all that they had! So when she walked or was carried thru those doors of the Semi-Circular hall for the last time, was she and the family serious about evacution(jewels for survival) or in denial(by packing away cameras n motion pictures) So I just wanted to know what value the jewels were, to give me an idea what was in their heads at that time.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 17, 2004, 07:45:57 PM
Good question, Mark.
I would think sentiment [albums] & practicality probably was the priority. Although those lists do have a lot of things, but would you or I carry a kitchen full of cooking things?  Was not their table service even stolen from them? With the vast array they had to choose from, in those conditions I would guess staff made that sort of choice.
Interesting that so much wine was also taken with them [later confiscated].
I personally have no love for Alix, but I can imagine the thoughts she had in packing to leave. Her first thoughts, of course would be for her family. Particularly Alexei.
So much was left behind, I think she probably simply decided "what is going to be usefull" told the daughters & staff-once they were told they going to Siberia- "pack the warm stuff".
Well, in her own way, of course.
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 18, 2004, 04:49:08 AM
It must be remembered that the move to Siberia was deemed a temporary move for the families safety. I believe they felt they were coming back. Hence they probably only took things to satisfy their immediate needs. Count Beckendorff even went so far as to catalogue what remained, locked the rooms and had the provisional government sign a receipt
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 18, 2004, 10:44:28 AM
Robert:

I have never seen anything to indicate Alix picked the jewelry that was given to her.  I have never seen anything that indicated she bought jewelry for herself.  She did buy things for other people.  She also made designs for jewelry for the 300 year anniversary of the dynasty.  I think the jewelers, like Faberge, had a very good idea of what she liked.  If you wanted to ask Faberge to select something as  a gift that the Empress would like I am sure they would be able to find something right away.

So, Alix received her jewelry as gifts.  Her relatives knew she prefered jewelry over other things.  They often picked things with sentimental value - dates, initials, charms - which the Empress loved.  I have some of the records of the gifts given to the Empress and they support this.

Bob

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 18, 2004, 12:57:46 PM
Thank you Bob. That is what I had reckoned. Her jewelry items were gifts for various occaisions-bithdays, anniverseries, etc. I can easily imagine walking into the Faberge shops & saying "a gift for the Empress" The sales person would know exactly what to pull out.
Didn't she also have a fabulous collection of pearls? All the rage then, I guess not so much now.
Also, the "chemise/corset" confusion is understood, I think the story of "corsets" is just set in most people's minds by now. I have to agree, however, that wearing that combination-weight & heat must have been very uncomfortable. I do not recall seeing any pictures of the Yekerinburg time where they would be wearing this  "outfit" but it must have looked like they had gained some weight, despite the meagre meals !!
Another question. What cigarettes did N smoke?  I no longer smoke, but years ago, I did smoke "Sobranies". I wonder if they were around then, as they had the Imperial Arms on the packet when I bought them.
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 18, 2004, 02:22:50 PM
One of the reasons they were so hot in their rooms are the layers of clothes that they wore.  If you look at the actual temperatures they aren't that high (at least not too high for someone living in Texas).  It must have been made worse by the closeness of the rooms and their lack of clean clothes and bathing.  Nicholas hated the fact he could not keep clean in Yekaterinburg, it was almost an obsession for him.

Women always wore camsoles under their corsets....

They would have had to wear the double-camisoles all of the time in Yekaterinburg during the day - after all - anything could happen at any time.  I wonder what they did at night?  I don't suppose we will ever know.

Think aout the heavy gold wire Alix had on her arm - how did they get that to Yekaterinburg?  One of the three girls must have had it on her as well.  If they had been really searched they would have found everything.

It's amazing to me that the authorities after April 1917 totally 'loose track' regarding the jewels, the Bolsheviks seem to be as oblivious to them.  I can't imagine that they wouldn't have taken them as soon as they knew about them.  How they kept that under wraps in Tobolsk is pretty amazing and testifies to the faithfulness of those who knew about it.

While I do indeed wonder about Sophie and what she might have told - she doesn't seem to have spilled the beans on the jewels. There should be something in the archives on her interrogation, well maybe it was lost, how much do they have from the Tobolsk days?

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 19, 2004, 04:12:29 AM
On the note of the jewles and what the family might have taken with them and left behind. I wonder what the nazis found in the mysteriouse strongbox in the bedroom safe???  ???
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Olga on April 19, 2004, 08:21:12 AM
Quote
they would have had to wear the double-camisoles all of the time in Yekaterinburg during the day - after all - anything could happen at any time.  I wonder what they did at night?  I don't suppose we will ever know.

Bob


i supose they would have left the clothes on all the time, as they were still in hope of being rescued.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 19, 2004, 09:53:55 AM
Alexandra turned over her sister Victoria's jewel box to the Provisional Government.  She must have hoped they would have given it to the British Embassy.  It is a mystery what happened to it.  Maybe they know at Broadlands...

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nerdycool on April 19, 2004, 02:28:50 PM
I don't know if they did it during this time period, but I do know that back when corsets were at their peak (I have the American Civil War era in my mind), most women kept their corsets on all the time, save for bathing and clothes washing, even during the night. This was because of the belief that their figure would be better than if they took it off. I'm sure they loosened the laces when  going to sleep, but nonetheless, they stayed on. Anyway, they could have done this, though with all those jewels in there it couldn't have been fun.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 19, 2004, 03:45:46 PM
From what I've read, Alexandra advised her daughters to wear the corselets (two undergarments sewn together, with small loose jewels secured in between the fabric via quilting technique) on a continuous basis.  With the jewels literally on their persons at all times, nothing would be confiscated.

As Penny and Greg have written, the house arrest was not a horrific, 24/7 experience of ongoing horrors . . . There was deprivation, there were times when they were interrogated, but a great deal of the time was simply tedious.  Bearing all of this in mind, Alexandra believed (rightly) that the jewels would not be confiscated if they were worn on the persons of OTMA (or OTA) rather than left in their room.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 19, 2004, 03:55:12 PM
Guns going off during the night, bullets fired at your kids, threats to move you, secret notes being smuggled in about possible rescues, insults, threats of death or harm, friends vanishing with no word on their fate, news of mass murders of officers; I'd agree that there were tedious times, but everybody must have been on edge almost 24 hrs a day in Yekaterinburg.  Things were different than Tobolsk and getting worse by day.  How they handled it I don't know.  Maybe it really got to Nicholas and Olga... who knows.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 19, 2004, 06:38:22 PM
The fate of Victoria's jewel box is covered in THE LOST FORTUNE OF THE TSAR
I will check it out and let you know
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 19, 2004, 08:46:41 PM
Hello Joanna!
You´re right. The old rooms 58, 59(both to the right and left), 60 and 61 have dissapeared. They were eliminated to create a bigger vestibule.There´s also a semi-circular flight of steps to access to the corridor The place to the right formerly occupied by rooms 58, 59, 60 is now where the visitors sit for putting on and off theirs tapachky before going into the museum. To the left are the ticket office and other showcase with books on sale(former rooms 59,60).
The use of these was the following:
58.- Personal buffet room.
59.- Both were hallways
60.- Everyday hall(translated from russian) cloak-room  of the Empress.
61.- Buffet kitchen for boiling water.

Hope you will find this useful Joanna!

Antonio.


Hey, i forgot the corridor and stairs!
The corridor is very simple. It has parquet floor and cream colored walls. The Empress lift no longer exists, in fact ther´s no trace left. The former´s place is now occupied by the tickets checker´s( do not know how to say in english...) desk. Under the mezzanine level connecting the Maple Room with the New Study there´s a showcase with some military uniforms presented to Nicholas, even a sword from Toledo.( Spain!)
The stairs to the right and left of the vestibule are, i think, original to the palace. White walls, marble steps(as far as i can remember) and blue painted iron railings.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 19, 2004, 09:04:55 PM
Hey Joanna, I just updated the post and wrote about the corridor and stairs. On my fist visits some years ago i was forbidden to take photographs but the last time i was accompanied by the present curator of the palace and she told me to take them. Also i saw visitors taking photographs so i imagine that now you can take them, but in Russia you never know for sure...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on April 20, 2004, 08:19:50 PM
Sorry for the delay Joanna!
The Forum adm. is going to make a page about the present state of the palace and i sent him the photographs and some text. I hope you will find them interesting and somehow may answer your questions...if not i will try to answer as well as possible.

Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark Byron on April 21, 2004, 02:33:49 PM
Here's a site I came across. I don't think it's been posted before.


http://members.fortunecity.com/abnic/Alexanderpalace/Alex_pic.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on April 21, 2004, 09:54:32 PM
Hi Joanna!
Yes, I agree. Always wondered about that myself. Bob has done so much, way before anyone else. When I found this site a few years ago, I literally couldn't beleive the resources, available to me, including all those lovely photos of the AP's interiors.  But what most interested me most on that other site, were the pix taken recently. Especially, Nicky's reception room and New Study!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on April 21, 2004, 09:58:05 PM
Uh, Oh. some clarification. I meant when I found BOB'S site a few years ago, I couldn't believe all that was there. My bad!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on April 21, 2004, 10:23:17 PM
 A big thank you for your insight. O.K. Another question. I noticed the recent photos of AP are always from the front. Is it because the Baltic fleet has use of most of the palace, that there are not recent pix of the back? The exterior of the Semi-circular room, the doors where the family left for the last time? Or maybe I should ask, does anybody out there on their visits to the palace, have additional photos to share?
Thanks again, Joanna!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 22, 2004, 03:36:31 AM
Check out the Peter Kurth's  book there are several pictures of the back of Palace including the window Alexandra was lifted from and a shot of the interior of Semicircular Hall which at teh time was a lecture Hall for the navy
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 23, 2004, 04:28:42 AM
I have a copy of a too great engraving of Alix by Kaulbach dated November 1903, i can try and send it if you like?? :)

Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 24, 2004, 11:40:50 AM
I was so touched to read of how Alix had paintings of her childhood homes hung in her rooms, especially of the one of Schloss Romrod in the Mauve Boudoir. Does anyone know who were the artists of these marvellous paintings?

Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 25, 2004, 08:24:10 AM
Ah thanks!:D The Pallisander Room? Ups.. :-[
Would be so great to find out who painted them.. i wondered, perhaps Heinrich Kroeh? :)

Joanna that's a great question! I would be so interested to see photos of these other rooms.. perhaps Mr Atchinson can help us on this too?

Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 25, 2004, 02:10:07 PM
It was painted in 1895 by a German painter, Eugen Bracht.  The painting was huge, 1.28 x 2.025 M - not including the frame.

The Pallisander Room was Alix's 'Darmstadt Memories' room - she had paintings of all of her childhood homes here along with paintings of her parents.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 25, 2004, 02:21:22 PM
Eugen Bracht was born in Morges in 1842 he died in Darmstadt in 1921.  There is a street named after him in Mathildenhöhe - Darmstadt.  He painted lanscapes and other castles.  he might be related to Becker, who painted Alexandra's favorite portrait of Nicholas which hanged in the Maple Room.

Perhaps someone in Germany can tell us more about him.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 25, 2004, 04:33:30 PM
Bob i can't thank you enough for that marvellous infos about the Romrod painting!!! :) By BRACHT. How wonderful!

Do you know if there are pictures showing in more detail, the portraits of her parents?

Thanks again so much!!!!!!
Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 25, 2004, 05:00:40 PM
From the Pallisander Room - near the window, sorry for the terrible quality:

top left: I don't know what this is for sure
top right: Portrait of Aleksey by I. Trifonov dated 1906
center left: Romrod (described earlier)
center right: Portrait of Alice, Alix's mother by G. Koberwein Terell, dated 1897 a copy after J. Svoboda.

Bob
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004romrod.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 25, 2004, 05:16:20 PM
Here is a picture of a rosewood screen made for the Pallisander Room.  In it are inserted watercolors of homes associated with Alix in Darmstadt.  The bronze on the stand is by I. Peterson and shows Nicholas II.

I did a series of close-ups of the furniture in several of the rooms of the Empress for a possible restoration a few years ago.  The numbers come from spreadsheet I did to come up with the cost of remaking these.

Bob
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004screen.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 25, 2004, 05:29:11 PM
These are wonderful--thank you so much!  :D
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Lanie on April 25, 2004, 06:05:57 PM
Oh, wow, thanks for sharing those, Bob.  Do you have any other pictures of the girls' rooms besides the ones shown on the site?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 26, 2004, 04:24:28 AM
Mr Atchinson!

Many many thanks for sending these incredible photos, i am speechless!!! :) It is so wonderful to see these close-ups!! Do you have a list to say which pictures are exactly which palaces, etc? I wondered about the picture on the left being Schloss Wolfsgarten, but am unsure.. I never knew that J Swaboda did a portrait of the Princess Alice! Too great because also i read that the Madonna by this same artist was likened to the face of Alix's niece, little Elisabeth von Hessen!  

Thanks SO much again!! :)
Elisa
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 26, 2004, 09:48:07 AM
Elisa:

Kuchumov didn't have any historic color photographs of the palace that I saw - all of them were back and white.  In the early 90's I was shown color glass negatives of pictures taken of the Alexander and Catherine Palaces by Larissa Bardovskaya of the Catherine Palace.  This were really amazing.  There were incredible pictures of the rooms of Catherine the Great's wonderful suite at the CP and pictures of the Maple Room (in very bad condition), The Billiard Hall and the Pallisander Room.  There were one of each.  The private rooms were rather bare as everything had been put away when the pictures were taken.  They told me that these were taken in 1917 during the inventory of the palace.  I don't know if these were the same images you mentioned as I didn't see the exhibition or a catalog.  Do you have pictures?

As a side note, this curator, Madame Bardovskaya, had new color transparency copies of these glass slides they had made.  She asked me to take two of these copies to show a publisher she had met to ask him if she could do a book on the color pictures.  Innocently I said yes and promised to return them to her on my next trip.  She asked me not to tell anyone as 'her boss' didn't know yet about her book project.

When I came back a month later she wasn't there - she was out of the country so I couldn't return them to her personally as she had asked.  I had one of my assistants there attempt to deliver them back a number of times, but she was never in the museum.

Later I was informed that she was telling 'her boss' that I had stolen them.  It was a huge lie and obviously a cover-up of her own activities.  This became a big controversy for me and I was dragged into a nasty situation.  I learned a big lesson about trust and museum politics from this.  I have to say I was very naive about what really goes on in museums.  I always thought of these two palaces as shrines - I could never imagine anyone associated with the Alexander Palace could ever have anything but the purest motives.  I was wrong.

Later I found out that this same curator had secretly attacked members of the WMF and American curators of touring Russian Museum shows I knew  - any foreigner involved with the palace.  This was the tip of an iceberg of controversies she was involved in.  I don't know why she did these horrible things to me and others.  The only thing I can figure is that she told me she wanted to be curator of the Alexander Palace and thought tearing other people apart would somehow help her get this position.  It seems crazy doesn't it.

I think this can be a lesson for all of us who love the palace and the family.  For many of us this is a 'pure and noble effort' that comes from our hearts.  Not everyone else shares this view and many peiople might think us nuts.  Whenever there is money or power involved it can bring out the worst in people.  I have met a few people who have used the Alexander Palace from very bad motives - many people have been stung by them!  So I just say, be careful.

There are many kind and gracious people at the palaces - dedicated professionals who are paid almost nothing for their work.  It is terrible that a couple of 'bad apples' can spoil so much good!

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: NAAOTMA on April 26, 2004, 10:49:35 AM
Reading these threads is such an amazing experience on several levels. To be able to see and learn and share more details here is a dream come true. The other piece of it is that Bob has shared so much knowledge with all of us, and shared his own experiences, some of them "soul experiences" as well. I don't know how to say thank you enough for that, Bob.  Melissa K.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 26, 2004, 11:06:31 AM
Melissa  - that was so sweet of you to say those things - isn't it funny how we are all connected by this subject?  We have never met but I feel I know you - it's almost like we are all members of a far flung family...

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: NAAOTMA on April 26, 2004, 11:50:17 AM
Yes, Bob-that is it exactly.

I remember the day I went to the mailbox and started flipping through my husband's Reader's Digest.  There was the article about you and your dream to save the Alexander Palace. I started to cry. It wasn't just me. There was someone else who cared about it. And you cared so much, had devoted your life to the AP and the family. And you have widened the circle with this website and the discussion group. Bravo, Bob! Melissa K.




Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: M_Breheny on April 27, 2004, 05:57:06 PM
I, too, remember the day I discovered the "Reader's Digest" article about Bob's dream of restoring the Alexander Palace.   (I think I was in a dentist's waiting room.)  It suddenly struck me that there actually were other people out there with the same fascination for all things Romanov that I had.    Over the past 20 years I have read everything I could uncover about Nicholas and Alexandra, etc., and I was thrilled to find out about the Alexander Palace Time Machine website (which I first discovered in an article in the magazine "Russian Life.")  Thanks, Bob, for all your work and dedication.
Mary
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on April 28, 2004, 03:19:25 AM
Does anyone know where on the floorplan were the Bedroom of Marie, the Crimsom Reception Room, the Study of Alexander III and the Stag Room. What are there numbers???
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 28, 2004, 03:48:06 AM
I've just found out a very very interesting piece of information about the painter E. Bracht.
I read that Toni Becker, Alix's childhood friend in Darmstadt, married in 1895, "a celebrated painter, Bracht, a man much older than herself". Could this be THE Bracht? The wonderful painting of Schloss Romrod was painted in this same year 1895. And Toni was later known as Frau Bracht.

What do you think?:)

Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 28, 2004, 04:00:05 AM
Elisa - you have found something very interesting!!  Can you find photographs of him of Toni anywhere?  Can you learn more?

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 28, 2004, 08:33:47 AM
I know the rest of the world must think our fascination with trivia like this to be odd - but this is AMAZING.  It just shows there is always something else to learn - something else to discover...

Plus we have all of Antonio's great new pictures to put up soon!

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Louise on April 28, 2004, 09:42:49 AM
Exactly right. Who cares. I just have to say.."I've ordered/borrowed/bought another book and my partner doesn't even ask me anymore.

Can't wait to see Antonio's pictures.

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 28, 2004, 09:50:39 AM
Great infos about August Becker :)!

Bob A, i can't seem to find a photo of Toni, but i would be too interested to see one!
I also found one or two things about Bracht - he was apparently Swiss-German, born in Morges, in 1842, and died in Darmstadt in 1921+
There is a book listed on amazon.de called "Eugen Bracht und seine Zeit". Would be very interesting!!!

Best wishes Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 28, 2004, 10:18:10 AM
Louise - Antonio's pictures are incredibly beautiful.  There are pictures of the Feodorovski Cathedral that show all the restoration the Russians have done there against tremendous odds.  I am completely blown away by how far they have gotten on their own.  There have been many troubles that have beset the work there.  I didn't believe true evil was alive in the world today until I saw the vicious things done to the Feodorvsky Cathedral by people claiming to be their benefactors.  You would think that a Cathedral would be a sacred thing...

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Louise on April 28, 2004, 10:26:51 AM
I have read of those "benefactors" and hopefully they have nothing more to do with the restoration of Feodorovski Cathedral, or anything else pertaining to Alexander Palace.

Speaking of evil that men do...and the wanton destruction during WWII...Has the German government ever offered to assist in the rebuilding of these Russian historical sites?

Louise
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 28, 2004, 10:34:28 AM
Yes, indeed, some of the museum people in Darmstadt have been interested in being involved in those rooms of the palace that are related to their city.  Unfortunately, it never went anywhere beyond the first discussions because the backers of this initiative were not able to back it up with the money they promised.

Something else looks like it might happen to get this going again - but it's just in the infant stages....

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: NAAOTMA on April 29, 2004, 12:05:52 AM
That news about Bracht is fasinating! Melissa K.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 30, 2004, 09:14:36 AM
Joanna! I think this is the same bust i wondered about in the Romanov Family Album from Anna's albums, is a photo of Alix posing, and i wondered who sculpted it and where it was!!!

Thanks for the infos!:)

Elisa :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on April 30, 2004, 03:42:25 PM
I thought it might be interesting to see Alexandra's Mauve Boudoir chair corner, as original and as "restored" today. Thanks Antonio for the 2003 picture from the Palace.
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/mauvecorneralix.jpg) (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/mauvecorner2003.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on April 30, 2004, 04:06:51 PM
Thank you, FA and Antonio, for the contrasting photos. One, in retrospect, so ghostly . . . the other so current. I'm especially glad someone--a worker? a visitor?--was included in the shot. Gives me the chills (but nice chills) to think of all the history. And reminds me of a Faberge exhibit, some years ago in Los Angeles, which included items you wouldn't normally think of--opera glasses, a fan, a mirror. I looked into the mirror and half expected the reflection to show a previous owner or two looking over my shoulder!  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: JM on April 30, 2004, 04:46:38 PM
This is so awesome. I am forever grateful for Antonio and his endless supply of superb photos.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: elisa_1872 on April 30, 2004, 05:22:56 PM
Thanks Forum Admin! And to Antonio!
Many many thanks for the photos! It is so moving to see the comparisons, and to see a view of the room as it is today+ I had never before seen a view of the interiors as they are now.. oh how marvellous! :)

Elisa
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on April 30, 2004, 07:47:35 PM
f you notice in the picture the door has been moved forward.  It's not the original door - almost nothing is left here except the walls and the window frames.

The dressing room and the mezzaine were torn out and a new '18th' century painted ceiling was put in by Treskin.  That's all gone.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Louise on April 30, 2004, 09:57:19 PM
This is just too much. WOW. This board is like being in a time tunnel and we get the chance to go back and forth.

Thank you Bob, FA, Rob and especially Antonio for giving us so much pleasure.

Louise
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nerdycool on April 30, 2004, 10:09:31 PM
Thank you Antonio for the picture! Even though it is sobering, it is good to know that this corner is getting the attention it needs. Afterall, that was the place of so many family photos.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on May 01, 2004, 02:42:16 PM
Here's a picture I found of a meeting Bishop Vassili and I had with the Admiral of the Baltic fleet in the former rooms of Aleksey.  This was the second time we were officially greeted in the Palace.  I mentioned before how you could hear the swallows under the eves of the cornice and see the trees swaying outside... the windows were open - it was an amazing experience to be there.  The Baltic Fleet was very kind to us.

Bob
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004admiral1.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on May 01, 2004, 02:56:03 PM
here's a view from the top of the balcony in Nicholas's New Study that was taken on our first visit in 1991.  The gray marble columns are from Austria and original had gilt bronze fittings.  Nicholas laid his photo albums along this ledge.  There were Tiffany lamps in the ceiling here.  The mahogany ceiling is original.  It was saved during the war by placing a false ceiling below it.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004newstudy1.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on May 01, 2004, 03:05:12 PM
Here's another view from 1991 showing the left hand wall as you face the corridor in Nicholas's New Study.  They have just removed a false-front that covered the walls.  This room had been partially restored after WWII.

Bob

(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/2004newstudy2.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 01, 2004, 03:44:07 PM
ENDLESS THANKS BOB!!!!!
It´s great to see the rooms before they were opened. And being in Alexey´s rooms...just amazing...
Thanks again!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Arleen on May 01, 2004, 06:35:03 PM
Yes!!  ....and Bob, you are pretty cute yourself.        
Arleen
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: pers on May 04, 2004, 07:41:07 AM
Bob,
When will you be posting the detailed plans of the rooms decorated by Meltzer, that you have copies of?  I am really looking forward to it!!!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on May 04, 2004, 01:21:46 PM
Bob, not only many thanks for the photos--most have come through, and they are great--but also many thanks in general for the Spanish translations. I only speak and read schoolgirl Spanish, but I'm so glad the translations are available to those for whom Spanish is their first language!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on May 04, 2004, 01:23:41 PM
Janet
Dont thank us for the Spanish translations, thank Antonio! he is the one who did the work, and who continues to do more all the time. He is wonderful.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet Whitcomb on May 04, 2004, 01:59:26 PM
Very well: Muchas gracias por todo, Antonio!  Y lo siento que no hablo y leer Espanol ahora, pero creo que la lengua es muy interesante y importante en el mundo.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: JM on May 04, 2004, 04:53:57 PM
BTW, thank you Antonio! It's so wonderful to read something interesting to practice my spanish.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: NAAOTMA on May 05, 2004, 12:34:42 AM
The pictures are amazing, touching, & give you goosebumps. I add my "WOW" to previous posts, as well as my gratitude and thanks. Melissa K.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on May 05, 2004, 06:05:02 PM
Quote
Very well: Muchas gracias por todo, Antonio!  Y lo siento que no hablo y leer Espanol ahora, pero creo que la lengua es muy interesante y importante en el mundo.


Thanks so much all for your extremely kind words!
And Janet, your spanish is very good, i thought i was dreaming when i found that few words in my language!

Again endless thanks!

Antonio.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet_W. on May 05, 2004, 10:50:27 PM
Por nada, Antonio, por nada!   ;)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on May 12, 2004, 01:20:02 PM
Does anyone have a full key to the Palace PLan I am interested on what was in the other wing and what occupied them. there are numbers on the plan on this site but no key  ??? ???
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Christine Martin on May 13, 2004, 07:40:13 AM
Dear Joanne

RE question about the rooms occupied by Marie and Dmitri - according to Maria Pavlovna (Jnr) in her book 'The Education of a Princess' alternative title 'Things I remember, she and her brother occupied rooms in the Great Palace, ie. The Catherine Palace.   She was married to her first husband in the Cathedral of the Catherine Palace.

Christine
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on May 13, 2004, 11:26:48 AM
Christine is right - Dmitri's rooms were in the Catherine Palace.  There are pictures of him in the rooms with the Empress.  They could have used Elizabeth's rooms if they needed to stay in the AP.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on May 15, 2004, 09:54:17 AM
Bob says that this identification is wrong. It is definitely not Tsarskoe Selo. It is probably either the Ropscha Palace or old palace at Livadia.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Lisa on May 15, 2004, 01:15:19 PM
So do I! :D
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Post by: londo954 on May 21, 2004, 05:56:03 PM
HELP...is there a key somewhere available that tells what the other rooms in the Palace were sued for????
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Post by: Helen_Azar on June 03, 2004, 11:11:48 AM
Bob (or anyone else who can answer this),

Last week I got back from St Petersburg and other Russian cities (The Golden Ring), where I of course visited The Alexander Palace and some other very interesting Romanov-related places. I have some good photos that I would like to share by posting them somewhere on this site for those who are interested to view. Would you please tell me if I can do that and how. I have some good pictures of Alexander Palace interiors, as well as the grounds, and among others I also have pictures of the inside of the Ipatiev monastery where the Romanov Dynasty "originated", as well some Rasputin-related places and many many others that could be of interest to the members. If anyone is interested in seeing these and hearing my account of the visit there, you can also contact me at my email address: mushkah@yahoo.com.

Helen
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Post by: BobAtchison on June 06, 2004, 11:54:34 AM
Helen - write Rob with all the details and the photos so he can make a recent visits page for you...

Bob
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Post by: jfkhaos on June 07, 2004, 11:51:18 AM
I am a new member and was wondering, if it hasn't already been covered, if anyone has any descriptions of Elizabeth's rooms in the palace.  I have seen them on the floorplan at The Alexander Palace Time Machine, but when would she have used them?  When was the last time she used them, and did they remain as she left them once Alexandra turned her away?  Thanks! ???
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Post by: meg kees on June 21, 2004, 07:25:34 PM
I just returned from a trip to Russia last week and visisted the Alexander Palace. I took many photos, but I'm a digital newbie and it will be a while before I can share all of them.  Several things struck me during my visit to the Palace.  I was surprised how closely the family wing was located to the street, especially when you consider how exposed the family would have been on the balcony.  I always pictured it as being much more secluded and private.  This wing of the palace is also much smaller than I expected.  Perhaps it is because I had just been to the Catherine Palace and everything is small compare to that building! But, when I went inside the rooms were much smaller than I had pictured, especially the bedroom and the mauve room.  Considering the amount of furniture that was in the mauve room, it must have been very cluttered and homey despite the luxurious fabrics, furniture, ect.  Also, the interior stairs on each side of the entrance hall were open and I was able to stick my head inside and look up.  They had boxes and other things stacked on them and I couldn't see anything. Bob, do you know if the children used these stairs, or were they only for servents? There were some yellow and green tiles on the floor in this area that looked very old, possibly original?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on June 21, 2004, 09:10:42 PM
Hi Meg!

A few weeks ago, Helen Azur shared her photos of her trip to Russia. Was very kind of her and I will look foward to seeing yours.

But there was one photo, I kept going back to.

Helen apparently stood in the street and took a pic of the AP gates leading into the property, and I was so surprised, like you were, that the palace was so close to the street! I had never seen that view and tried to piece together what security must have been like considering one could see the windows of the imperial wing from the street. I guess, in the long run, it didn't make a difference since the palace was surrounded by hundreds of guards.

Thanks for sharing your experiences at the AP.

Mark
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Post by: ron on June 21, 2004, 09:53:00 PM
Meg,
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. I've never been there, but have tried to piece together the layout,dimensions...etc.  I thought it must be small, rooms strangely  arranged, close to the street.  Can you imagine if government ministers came/went - so close
to the Empress's rooms?  Candid comments - are the attempts to recreate successful???????????
ron
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Donny on June 21, 2004, 10:39:23 PM
Yes, the Imperial Wing is very close to the street.

The building where the food was prepared for the Imperial family was actually right next to the street and sidewalk and the cooks were allowed to sell to  the public the extra food that the Tsarist family did not eat.

That way the servants could make a little extra money on the side.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mark_Byron on June 21, 2004, 11:01:22 PM
Meg:

In Robert  Massie's N & A, he describes on page 113, security at the Alexander Palace. Massie mentions when Nicholas could look out his window at anytime and could see a posted guard. So now, I can feel, after seeing Helen's pic ( and what you must have seen) what Alexandra felt when she looked out the window during the revolution with Lili? waiting for Nicholas after the abdication and realizing the guards had deserted. There was no one at those once so heavily guarded gates.
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Post by: Donny on June 22, 2004, 12:20:43 AM
Mark, Meg ..........

One thing to keep in mind is that there were several hundred years wherein the people of Russia  very much loved and admired  the Tsars and their families. The Tsars felt somewhat close to the people.

The Tsars felt that they did not have to fear the people of Russia.

All of this changed after the French Revolution when one Tsar was killed.  After that the  Imperial Dynasty began a long slow decline, until the day when they no longer existed.
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Post by: Dashkova on June 22, 2004, 12:44:05 AM
I believe it was before the French Revolution that a tsar was killed. Many problems came from within the ruling house itself.  Look at Peter III, for instance.

As to how fond the Russian people were of the tsar, I do not believe this was truly the case.  When a population is kept ignorant and in poverty almost beyond imagination, with no real hope of improvement, many people were too ignorant and/or frightened to behave in any other way but adoration (which is more related to fear than admiration).

Even when the Social Revolutionaries went out into the countryside to incite the peasants, the people refused. It was not out of love or respect for the tsar. It was fear. Anyone who has read even a little about the lives and circumstances of 90 percent of the population before the Bolshevik revolution can understand what wretched lives those people endured.

And it was most likely out of ignorance on the part of the tsar to suppose for even a moment that the people felt actual love and appreciation for him and his regime.

"God is in his heaven and the Tsar is far away" about sums it up.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Dashkova on June 22, 2004, 12:50:26 AM
  Candid comments - are the attempts to recreate successful???????????
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I was just there about ten days ago myself. The staff and management of the AP are doing the best they can with what they have, but I do not think the recreation is terribly successful. I realize it would be (and will be eventually) much better.  For me, the best part was the grounds of the palace.

The rooms are very close to the street, and I had always envisioned the Mauve room as being much more private. In fact, I still can't help but wonder if the rooms that have been somewhat recreated are arranged more for tourist convenience than what actually existed.

Apparently they are in their original position. It was not what I expected, but I will be very happy when more work has been done and more rooms can be opened up. I am planning to go next summer on an Art and Architecture seminar for six weeks, which will allow me to be more scholar than tourist, so maybe I will see more of the rooms. Who knows!

The AP is still well worth the visit, and was my favorite site visited while I was in Petersburg.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: meg kees on June 22, 2004, 02:10:44 PM
Mark - I first read N&A back in the late 1960's when it was first published.  My current copy is a hard back that I purchased in1972.  I was just laughing the other day when I came home because I went to look something up and the book is literally falling appart.  Guess it's time to by a new one.  When the Tsar looked out of his study, he would have been viewing the courtyard area, not the street, so his side of the building was much more private than that of Alexandra's. That really surprised me.  I guess I wonder why they choose that wing  and not the other to redecorate when they moved there in 1895 since the other wing is so much more secluded. When the family was out on the balcony, they must have attracted considerable attention.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nerdycool on June 22, 2004, 04:31:02 PM
I don't know.... maybe there was some concern about redecorating certain rooms in the other wing. More specifically those of Alexander III and Maria Feodorovna, and Maria Alexandrovna's room. Still being alive, perhaps Minnie had a say on whether she got to keep her rooms or not. Or maybe N&A just wanted to avoid all the red tape and take the other wing to make their own, which involved making rooms out of the concert hall.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Donny on June 22, 2004, 04:39:15 PM
Meg and friends:

If you look at many of the photos taken on the balcony of the Ap, you notice that there is often a folding screen that would tend to shield the family from being  observed by the public on the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: meg kees on June 23, 2004, 09:27:16 PM
I guess I need to look more closely at those pictures on the balcony, because I never paid much attention to the backgrounds.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobG on July 19, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
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Does anyone know where on the floorplan were the Bedroom of Marie, the Crimsom Reception Room, the Study of Alexander III and the Stag Room. What are there numbers???

There hasn't been any response to this request, and I too would love to get a better sense of exactly where these rooms are located.  The State Museum 'Tzarskoje Selo'  has a numbered floorplan of the entire Alexander Palace and it would be great if one of the palace historians could identify where these rooms are on the plan.  Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Helen_Azar on July 24, 2004, 08:30:11 PM
Both og these images are appearing only half way, I wonder if I am the only one who is experiencing that? I would like to see these pictures...

Helen

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I thought it might be interesting to see Alexandra's Mauve Boudoir chair corner, as original and as "restored" today. Thanks Antonio for the 2003 picture from the Palace.
(http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/mauvecorneralix.jpg) (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/images/mauvecorner2003.jpg)

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on July 24, 2004, 08:37:44 PM
Helen
they work fine for us...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on August 21, 2004, 10:16:45 AM
Thomas I have never seen a picture of the downstairs Imperial corridor.  I imagine this is possibly because it was too dark - even during the day for Kodak photography.

It had some great paintings and Nicholas had the walls encrusted in artificial marble taken from the destruction of the Music Hall.  It must have been very luxurious and pretty.  I hope a picture will turn up sometime.

Bob
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 24, 2004, 08:15:57 AM
Well, here is the only photo i took of the corridor. It´s taken from the Empress´ Reception room´s door. To the left is the door of Nichola´s New Study.

(http://img48.exs.cx/img48/4432/Alexanderpalacecorridor.jpg)
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Post by: Janet_W. on August 24, 2004, 11:13:15 AM
Antonio, you are--as always--amazing in what you provide for the rest of us! What a fascinating photo of the corridor. It gives me the chills! For many of us the world of Nicholas and Alexandra is very abstract, and we generally have only black-and-white photos to fill in those abstractions . . . but your photos establish the reality of these locations. I'm sure many of us can look at this most recently posted photo and imagine Alexandra sweeping by in one of her tea dresses, or the children giggling and running . . .  when they really should be walking, of course! Many thanks for all of your efforts.
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Post by: Antonio_P.Caballer on August 24, 2004, 12:50:01 PM
Thanks so much for your kind words, Janet :) .
As you said, this is too oftenly a black and white world. Many times i´d love it would remain that way, for confronting the reality of today is quite heartbreaking...

By the way, i didn´t like at all the showcase with uniforms, and think the corridor should be better without it.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on August 25, 2004, 08:53:57 AM
That's a great picture, Antonio!  For those of us who have been there you can really see the lower ceiling of the corridor extension there.  The ceiling almost feels too low.

These two new rooms here - The Maple Room and the New Study - were meant to receive guests.  One can see in your picture how they could be closed off from the rest of the corridor where the more personal rooms were.  Since guests would have approached through the libraries they would have rounded the corner and entered here with doors to the Emperor and Empress on either side and the corridor could be closed off.

Bob
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Post by: NAAOTMA on August 26, 2004, 07:22:55 PM
Wonderful to see this corridor in color, but sad to see the glass case, fire extinguisher and drab linoleum floor. Hopefully someday this will be the "before" picture used to "tell the story" of a beautifully done restoration of the Alexander Palace. Melissa K.
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Post by: gem_10 on September 20, 2004, 09:50:05 PM
Hello everyone! Do you have any photos of Ella's room in the palace? Can you please post them? Thanks
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on September 21, 2004, 10:01:09 AM
This thread is simply getting too large to be useful.
SO, I am going to ask this thread be reserved for GENERAL questions about the interiors.
Specific questions like this one re: Ella's rooms be started and/or answered as NEW topics outside this thread.
Thanks for cooperating.
FA
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on December 01, 2004, 11:13:57 PM
In looking at the photos on teh site I can't help but notice how much of Quarenghi remains even to today....How much of his original interiors survive
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on December 02, 2004, 05:52:27 PM
...and it survived the war - it's amazing to see the cornices and door frames and even the artificial marble of the Marble Hall and the Formal Reception room - to realize that all this is the original work of the 18th century.

It's possible the chandelier in the Formal Reception Room is the original that has always hung here since Catherine's time.

On the terrace outside the semi-circular hall you can still see some of the original railing elements of Quarenghi.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on December 07, 2004, 08:16:09 PM
Bob,,
In my research I have seen that the Russians have a passion for remodelling and redecorating, expanding and making bigger. However I thinkits interesting that there are a few architects who have stood the test of time such as Rastrelli and Quarenghi......Do you think its because their work is so good or that the elements were so integrated into the structure that it would have been too costly too remove. Or perhaps another reason
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Post by: londo954 on December 07, 2004, 08:17:14 PM
Anyway back to the topic at hand. The chandelief that is presenyl in the reception room doen't seem to be the one that wsa there originalkly....where was this one from !!!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on December 16, 2004, 11:25:04 AM
I believe the orginal chandelier from the Reception Room is in MF's formal bedroom at Pavlovsk - but my memory could be wrong there.

Londo - Quarenghi is a great architect - it's a shame the English Palace is lost and the AP is in such a bad shape.  I think he has held up in part because Catherine gave him so much work.... he had many projects - his work is all over Petersburg and even some survives in Moscow.
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Post by: londo954 on December 16, 2004, 07:30:44 PM
Bob=I checked out the Pavlovsk website. The only view of the chandelier in Marie's Bedroom I could find was the reflection in the mirror and it doesn't look right....but the one in the State bedroom does look right,,,,what do you think????
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Post by: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on January 04, 2005, 09:26:27 PM
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There hasn't been any response to this request, and I too would love to get a better sense of exactly where these rooms are located.  The State Museum 'Tzarskoje Selo'  has a numbered floorplan of the entire Alexander Palace and it would be great if one of the palace historians could identify where these rooms are on the plan.  Thanks so much.


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can anyone identify the function/designation for the rooms in the right wing?   the color-code has identified who occupied which space.... but it would be fantastic to know which room was A III's study, etc.    A III & MF seem to have occupied a large number of rooms (then again, so did N II & AF!), it would be really interesting to know what they were.    

specifically, rooms 18 thru 56

CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP IN IDENTIFYING THESE ROOMS?


i know someone out there has to know....
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Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: jda on January 12, 2005, 10:11:07 AM
In Kuchumovs' book Pavlovsk Palace and Park on page 83 a caption of a photo of the chandelier says that it came from the St. Michael Castle.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on January 13, 2005, 09:33:50 AM
Thats odd the castle was the Engineers school and ahdn't been used by the Imperial Family since Paul's death...after which all its trappings I understood were removed
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Post by: elisa_1872 on February 06, 2005, 11:07:07 AM
Does anyone know the present whereabouts of the painting of Grand Duke Ludwig IV, Alexandra's father, which hung originally in her dressing room? I would be so grateful for any information, perhaps Bob_Atchinson knows where it is? :) I thought it might be at Pavlovsk's museum, but am not sure.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nigbil on February 07, 2005, 08:25:38 AM
Hi,
I've just come back from a week in St.Petersburg where, with the help of Baedekers 1914 guide, it was easy to transpose the pre-revolutionary use of buildings to today's use (barracks of the Pavlovski's for example).

As for the Alexander Palace it a great shape its in such poor condition but they are making a start on restoration and it was wonderful to be able to go into the wing occupied by the Imperial family.

I have some general comments:
1) Its a pity they are allowing the construction of new dwellings, even though they are quite 'period', so close to the Alexander Palace. They encroach within 100 metres.
2) The park is very overgrown with trees which are certainly not contemporaneous to the first two decades of the 20th century. There are a large group of buildings quite close  to the palace painted in oils which show Alexie playing - no trees at all. Today its almost a forrest.
3) The immediate gardens outside the palace are fenced in because, I'm told, SS troops were burried there. It would be great to see this restored.
4) We tried to get into the 'other' wing of the palace - the one used by the Tsar's mother. They are, I believe, used as offices and we were almost inside before being stopped by a large woman with an 'Okhrana' badge on here ample breat. Deja vu.........
5) I have pictures of the 'courtyard' (its not one technically speaking) which shows that the view from Nicholas's new study allowed him to see everybody arriving at the palace.
6) Lastly, we tried to track down the place where Alexander had Rasputin secretly burried (Paleologue) - I think he was later dug up by the Bolsheviks and burnt. We have pictures of the nearest church to the Alexander Palace (currently closed off and under restoration?) which strikes me as the most likely place.....but this will forever remain a mystery?
If anyone asks, I will post pictures...
Nigel
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 07, 2005, 09:39:03 AM
Please do post your pictures. When I was there 3 weeks ago, it was really too dark for decent photos.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nigbil on February 07, 2005, 11:53:42 AM
[img/http://photobucket.com/albums/v673/nigbil/th_Alexpalace6.jpg/img]
Picture (above) from Nicholas' dressing room, one down from his study. It overlooks the central courtyard where ministers etc would arrive....
[img/http://photobucket.com/albums/v673/nigbil/th_Alexpalace4.jpg/img]
This picture shows a small building about 50metres from the front of the palace. Looking at the map, it looks like its located close to two small lakes. Could this be a changing room/house/banya. There is a famous picture of Alexie bathing in these lakes....
[img/http://photobucket.com/albums/v673/nigbil/th_Alexpalace3.jpg/img]
This picture is of the front of the palace, with the area fenced off - probably because it was the burial place used by the SS
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on February 07, 2005, 02:05:26 PM
I am afraid your pictures cannot be opened ! [at least by me] I had the very same problem. I forget how we remedied it, but I needed help.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: ChristineM on February 07, 2005, 02:08:57 PM
Nigbil - welcome to the Alexander Palace Forum and for being such a willing participant.   Unfortunately I cannot open your photographs, but I'll keep trying.

One or two points:  The new apartments across Dvortsovaya - before the second war there were buildings there.   These apartments were constructed in the last five to six years.   Before, it was not much better than waste land with long grass and shrubby trees.   I agree the town planners could have given a bit more consideration to this development, but because there were originally other buildings on the site, building consent was forthcoming.

The Alexander Palace is under the jurisdiction of the Russian Navy.   The Imperial Wing was opened in the late 1990s largely thanks to Bob Atchison's success in exciting interest in the plight of Nicholas and Alexandra's rooms, and thus raising a very large sum of money which was used to make the roof over the Imperial apartments secure.   The rest of the palace is out of bounds to the public and there is deep concern about the condition of the roof above the Parade Rooms.

The grounds have run wild - there is no funding to restore the gardens to their pre-revolutionary state.

It is the circle of grass on the north (colonnade side) where around 60 corpses of members of the Spanish Blue Division lie buried.   The SS graves are mainly below the Granite Terrace.   These areas of ground are effectively war graves and a bit of a diplomatic problem.

The Baedeker is just wondeful - you were so wise to use this instead of, or as well as, a modern guide book.  

Its wonderful you enjoyed your trip to St Petersburg and that the Alexander Palace has left such an impression.   I think you will find much to keep your memories alive on this website.

tsaria
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Janet_W. on February 09, 2005, 04:37:17 PM
Elisa, your theory is intriguing. So far all I've found is that Eugen Bracht lived from 1842 to 1921.  The websites his name turns up on are in German, which I do not speak or read. Could someone help us out with this? (I'll also post this under the friends, servants and retainers section.)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on February 12, 2005, 10:59:58 AM
Very charming toys  from the Alexandrovsky palace
are in the Toys museum which is located in the Troitse-Sergiev posad near Moscow -
the horse, baby-cauch like swan ,
railway toys and dolls are wonderful.
Troitse Sergiev Posad is famous by 2 things -
Troitse Sergiev Laura (Mecca of the Russian Orthodox Church and by the Matryoshka.
First Russian Matryoshka was made there.
Best Regards,
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nigbil on February 13, 2005, 04:15:14 PM
Joanna,
Thanks for your message. I'll be able to post more pictures next week - mostly interiors.
The lady was probably on her way to lunch - but its still an atmospheric picture! Sadly, this picture, and the third, show the poor exterior condition of the building. Broken windows, missing balustrade...and from reading other threads on this site, I believe its the roof that causes most concern.
The bathing house is pretty. Has anybody been inside recently or is it used still in use ( I gather this part of the AP gardens is 'public').
Thanks
Nigel
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on February 13, 2005, 08:15:56 PM
I think the building you are referring to as a bathhouse looks like the small Children's House on an island.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: strom on February 16, 2005, 01:49:08 PM
For "londo954" on the objects from the Alex. Pal.
For many years I have thought that the Minhoff collection at the Cleveland Mus. seemed to hold an unusually high percentage of items from the Palace. Of course, there is the "Red Cross" or "Resurrection" Egg to Alexandra in 1915, but the other egg, called the "Lapis Lazuli" Egg might also be very closely tied to the Imperial family and possibly to Nicolas as Cesarevich!  The Virginia Museum also has many of the most beautiful of Alexandra's eggs and some of the family's personal possessions, see especially the "Revolving Palaces" and "Cesarevich" Eggs.  What a loss to Russia that these state objects can never be returned to their home!
Then again the real loss is that there is no Imperial dynasty in Russia to receive them.    
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: strom on February 26, 2005, 10:28:27 AM
Dear Bob Atchison and all interested people:

I was wondering if you might know what happened to the bas-relief of Empress Catherine (in marble with an ormulu frame) that was once in the Empress Alexandra's Reception Room.  I understand it was sold by the Soviets.  Incidentally, there was also one of Emperor Peter I which was saved and is now back in place!  

Also I have seen a couple of massive torcheres in the form of youths taming horses that once decorated the Palace, possibly removed before the revolution.  Does anyone know what happened to them?  These would have been perfect compliments to the two youths in bronze still at the entrance made by Ivan Martos and installed, I believe, under Emperor Nicolas I.  I assume the torcheres could have been suitably displayed to right and left of the main entrance immediately inside where they also would have illuminated the staircases.    

Also, there is one extraordinary pier table (now housed in the Catherine Palace) that was manufactured entirely out of precious stones.  This table (with a miissing duplicate) was part of the Alexander Palace original furnishing and given by Empress Catherine.  Apparently, Empress Alexandra had these two tables restored to the palace but I do not know where they would have been displayed.  

Please help.  

Thanks to all interested in this supreme masterpiece of art and architecture.  In a way, Quarenghi is the end of European classicism, or after him it seems to decline.  

R. Strom.  
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on February 26, 2005, 11:28:39 AM
According to the Palace cataloge of 1918,
bas-relief of Catherine the Great , as well as the same one of Alexandr 1 and his wife was evacuated to moscow From Corner Drawing room.
Peter the Great's one stayed in the prevous place.
( I do not know about the frame of the Catherine's one - nothing mentioned about it)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on February 26, 2005, 01:17:54 PM
I believe the bas relief sculpture of Catheirne the Great if its the one by Callot is in the Post Collection...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: strom on February 26, 2005, 01:29:25 PM
Thank you londo.  You are right, the bas-relief was by Collot.  I had no idea it is at Hillwood!  Isn't Hillwood a treasure house.  
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: londo954 on February 26, 2005, 03:06:51 PM
One might say that... as wife of teh US AMbassador to Soviet Russia and heir to the post cereal fotune Marj Post was in a position to buy a large number of objects that were in the Palaces...It would seem she had a particular passion for the Imperial era.....Over the years too friends would purchase gifts for her and she continued to coolect items from the period when they appeared for auction.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on February 27, 2005, 03:42:04 AM
I understood from the Kouchoumov 's memories,
that the Catherine''s by Collo was taken at the end of 20-30years .
So I understood, that other medalion-portret by Ekaterina was evacuated in Moscow in 1918.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on July 05, 2005, 01:00:07 AM
I would like to add that everybody could see one sofa from the GD's room of AP now in the former Minister Room of Winter Palace, Hermitage . ( In this room Nicholas used to listen daily Minister's reports).
Now this room is decorated as baby room.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: rgt9w on July 05, 2005, 05:52:10 PM
Hi Bob and other participants on this thread,

I am fascinated by Mr. Kuchumov's commitment to relocating items lost from the Alexander Palace. Are there any english language translations of anecdotes of his travels and subsequent "finds" when looking for items after the war?

What are the odds that items transferred to Pavlovsk will be returned to the AP? Do the other palaces not have other interesting items to replace the AP items with?

I also wanted to ask if you are still working on a possible book about the Alexander Palace?

Thanks for any information you may have.

Roy
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on July 07, 2005, 12:09:42 PM
Accoirding to Kuchumov's notes the marble relief of Catherine by Collot was sent to the Antikaquarat and sold.  I'll see if he put a date on it.

Hikaru - can you tell us more about that sofa?  I wonder how it got rhere!

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on July 07, 2005, 02:22:23 PM
I have a photo.
I will try to put it when I will by a cable.
It is just a very small sofa.
and It was there since  I do not know what time.
Except this sofa ( yellow ) there are 2 chairs from Feodorovky gorodok in the next room.
They put this sofa because they made the interior of the formal reception room as baby-room.
(  I am glad that I could give you some ifm that you did not know).
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on July 07, 2005, 02:25:54 PM
Bob , if you want, I could send the photo for your book.
But , I suppose we should ask Mr. Piotrovsky for permission to put it in the book.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Amy on July 09, 2005, 12:58:49 PM
Is this the sofa you're speaking of Hikaru? I took this picture in the room I believe you described: former reception room/winter palace/ now with baby craddle.

(I'm sorry for the poor quality. My camera sort of died on this trip.  :'()

(http://home.comcast.net/~kidwells/PDRM0241.JPG)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: hikaru on July 09, 2005, 01:14:06 PM
Yes, It Is .
But now there is  no table with tea set in front of it.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Amy on July 09, 2005, 01:21:02 PM
Yeah! Now if only I had taken a better camera with me...

BTW- I took this picture last summer, 2004.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: dp5486 on March 07, 2006, 07:17:03 PM
On the first page of this thread there is a discussion about the Kaulbach portrait of Alexandra. I have seen this before but I have never seen the study that Kaulbach did of her. Can anyone post a photo of this study?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Helen on July 28, 2006, 01:45:53 AM
When Kaulbach came from Munich to have Alexandra sit for her portrait he did a large pastel portrait of her.  He took this back to his Munich studio along with a dress the Empress selected to create the big portrait.  When it was completed he shipped the painting along with the study.  Nicholas put the study in his New Study.  A miniature copy of this pastel was with him up until the end.  The girls had copies of this study in their rooms.

This must have been Alexandra's favorite portrait of herself.  I think the study is much more successful than the big portrait.

Kaulbach also did studies of all four girls which Alexandra placed on either side of her corner cabinet in the Maple Room.  These went to Siberia and were later returned to the palace.  In the 30's they were sold to Alexander Schaffer who sold them through his first shop in Rockefeller Center.  Two of them can be seen in a picture taken arond 1934 (see below in the background).  They are now lost.
Kaulbach also did a portrait of the tsar himself in 1903 - or at least a study for a portrait. I haven't been able to detect it in any of the pictures of the palace interiors. Is it known in which room of the Alexander Palace this portrait used to be?

Among the items that the family took with them to Tobolsk were the portraits that Kaulbach did of Alexandra and the grand duchesses. I have been wondering: Did they take the Kaulbach portrait of Nicholas with them too? And does anyone know what happened to it after 1918? Was it sold to Alexander Schaffer too?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on August 05, 2006, 06:13:23 PM
The portrait of Nicholas is not listed as being in the palace in 1917 and I have never seen irt in any pre-revoltionary pictures.  I'll bet the Kaulbach Museum in Munich would have some info.

Bob
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Helen on August 05, 2006, 08:31:39 PM
Thank you, Bob, :) :) for telling us that it was not at the AP. It is - or was - quite a beautiful portrait, judging from the reproduction I've seen, so I am surprised the family chose not to put it up somewhere with the other Kaulbachs. I'll contact the Kaulbach Museum and see what they know about.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Helen on August 17, 2006, 06:09:52 AM
The people at the Kaulbach Villa at Ohlstadt and the Neue Pinakothek at Munich were very co-operative. :) Unfortunately, they did not know the whereabouts of the original portrait either.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Nemos on January 24, 2008, 01:40:07 PM
Странно, но я подумал подвал в Александровском дворце для осмотра бесплатен.
Strange, but I have thought a cellar in Aleksandrovsk a palace for survey is free-of-charge.

Но там были тоже интересные комнаты, комната охраны и технические комнаты.
But there there were too interesting rooms, a room of protection and technical rooms.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/8478.html

Фото плохое, может у кого-то есть получше.
The photo bad, can eat at someone better.

А это 2008 год.
And it is 2008.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/8477.html
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/8475.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: ChristineM on January 24, 2008, 05:09:30 PM
I have seen the photograph of officers drinking tea beneath the Imperial Bedroom in the Alexander Palace only once before and that was in the archive at Pavlovsk.   It was contained in a very old journal and the quality of the photograph was no better than the one reproduced by Geglov.   There are another two taken at the same time that I know of, but I cannot help access them, unfortunately.

The photographs of the 'cellar' at the Alexander Palace include the small area beneath the Family Wing which has been converted to be used as a cloakroom.   The cellars of the Alexander Palace are vast - and certainly not maintained in the condition such as witnessed in the pictures of the cloakroom.   The entire water, heating and ventillations systems are to be found there.   Structurally probably nothing has changed from the Quarenghi original.

tsaria
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Nemos on January 25, 2008, 12:24:17 AM
Íà 3-ì ôîòî Âûõîä â ïîäâàë çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ íà ñåðåäèíå äâîðöà, äàëüøå óæå ïðîñòûì ëþäÿì íå ïðîéòè. Ïîä ñïàëüíþ Èìïåðàòîðà íå ïîïàñòü.
On 3-rd photo the Output in a cellar comes to an end on the midpoint of a palace, further to already simple people to not pass. Under a bedroom of Emperor to not get.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mazukov on January 25, 2008, 01:31:55 AM
Geglov, I've never seen them before. Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Nemos on February 25, 2008, 10:19:54 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/16.html

Как вы думаете это Сиреневый кабинет?
How you think it the Lilac cabinet?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on February 25, 2008, 10:57:36 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/16.html

Как вы думаете это Сиреневый кабинет?
How you think it the Lilac cabinet?

Yes, I think it could be. The wood trim around the door, the placement of the window, and the view into connecting rooms all appear seem consistent with this modern photo of the Mauve Room:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_Chairwindowcontemp.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/Chairwindowcontemp.jpg)

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Ortino on February 25, 2008, 03:53:32 PM
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-2/16.html

Как вы думаете это Сиреневый кабинет?
How you think it the Lilac cabinet?

Yes, I think it could be. The wood trim around the door, the placement of the window, and the view into connecting rooms all appear seem consistent with this modern photo of the Mauve Room:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_Chairwindowcontemp.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/Chairwindowcontemp.jpg)



However, weren't the walls of the AP shifted for its use by the Russian Navy?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on February 25, 2008, 04:17:31 PM
A short history of the designation of the naval buildings in Pushkin c1952 from the original use/restoration of the Paley Palace and then in October 1952, the use of the left wing of the Alexander Palace for accomodations and training classes of the naval cadets. It appears they used the second floor while the first floor was for services, etc.
http://pvvisu.narod.ru/histo.htm

Geglov's photograph is from 1949 when the Alexander Palace was in the restoration stages of resuming use as a museum prior to the about-face of 1952 when given to the naval institution.

Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Alexandre64 on June 29, 2008, 05:14:10 AM
Picture of the Study  Art Nouveau of theTsar (Rare?):
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/0816441.jpg

Small  Picture of the Balcony of maple study;
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/301.jpg
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on June 29, 2008, 06:34:41 AM
Thank you Alexandre -- both photos are new to me.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nena on June 29, 2008, 06:38:26 AM
Small  Picture of the Balcony of maple study;
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj213/Alexandre64_2007/Palais%20Alexandre/301.jpg
You can see that chair which was disscused a long ago, you can see it in Romanov formal pics.--1906 and 1913, I am guessing.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Alexandre64 on June 29, 2008, 07:23:57 AM
Link (in Russian)

1. of the study:
http://www.antiq.info/metalware/6178.html

2. of maple study:
http://www.restavraciy.ru/lu4_inte.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nena on June 29, 2008, 08:34:23 AM
Amazing! Thank you so much, Alexandre64!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Tatiana Z on August 15, 2008, 08:09:23 PM
Alexander Palace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAjhhyKAPnE&feature=related
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: BobAtchison on September 05, 2008, 06:02:02 PM
I was lucky to see Alix's rooms in the early 90's before they were 'cleaned up' .  You could see lots of things in the walls and floors where things had been.  There were original latches on windows and hooks on walls, places were you could see where wiring had been and the heating system.  There were even remains of the system that was used to communicate with the servants.  I think all of that is gone now.  The bathroom and dressing room had been ripped out long before.  There was nothing left there.  The Tuxen ceiling painting looks so out of place!

They ripped out walls and put new doors in, tore up everything.  I am sure nothing was recorded.  Thank God they didn't get a chance to rip out the New Study - it was next on the list!  I have only looked in the door of the Maple Room for 10 seconds - it was a long time ago.  All this just breaks my heart.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on September 05, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Re your posting immediately preceeding this one:   Bob, because of your interest, background and fund of relative documentation, are you contacted or consulted at all by the building's "administration" re the proposed restoration (presuming it could go the way of Nicholas II, as opposed to Nicholas I) ?  And who has now become the "administrator/chief curator" of this palace, etc., following the recent death (I believe) of the previous one?  Regards,  AP.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on July 09, 2009, 08:22:06 AM
Some newly digitized photos...

Olga & Tatiana's bedroom:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_BigPairbedroom.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/?action=view&current=BigPairbedroom.jpg)


The playroom:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_playroom2-1.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/?action=view&current=playroom2-1.jpg) (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_playroom1.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/?action=view&current=playroom1.jpg)


The Mauve Room:

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/th_Mauveroom.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Alexander%20Palace/?action=view&current=Mauveroom.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: lilianna on July 09, 2009, 09:57:48 PM
Sarushka, MANY THANKS for a photo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wait still!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: macristo on October 24, 2009, 08:05:07 PM
I discovered this forum recently, it is absolutely fascinating. But unfortunately, when reading messages posted longtime ago, I cannot see the pictures, just a small X. Is it normal? Is there any possibility of seeing them? Thanks a lot and congratulations for the work you have done during all these years. Excuse my English, I am Argentinian and I speak Spanish.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: nena on October 24, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Bienvenido! The little' x' means that photos had been removed by either poster of host site. The only way to get them back is to ask by PM poster, or even here, online, to do request to the poster to upload it again. I hope I was understandable.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Tasia on October 25, 2009, 08:59:10 AM
WOW! Very interesting photos!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: macristo on October 25, 2009, 06:37:03 PM
Nena, many thanks for your answer. I will follow your advice. Thanks a lot!!!!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on November 04, 2009, 08:19:07 AM
Okay, I'm not trying to spam the forum with this, but I think there were 3 threads this video is particularly relevant to, especially this one!

Here is a YouTube video by me of photos and footage I collected while touring Alexander Palace. I photographed all the rooms open to the public, and explanations for them are in the video, so you won't get confused. I know that the information is accurate because I had a map, and was reading the wall signs as I toured.

Hope you enjoy!

AP Interior, and a bit of exterior/park/restoration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW302jGgHwE
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on November 04, 2009, 08:40:02 AM
Thanks for that. I never had a clear idea before of where all the displays of clothing and toys were located.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: alexpalace on November 04, 2009, 09:45:09 AM
Thanks for the video. My question is, why did they paint it white? The front looks like it. I hope it stays yellow, I like that color better.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on November 04, 2009, 10:04:08 AM
Thanks for the video. My question is, why did they paint it white? The front looks like it. I hope it stays yellow, I like that color better.

It's probably a temporary step in the restoration process.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on November 04, 2009, 04:23:02 PM
Yes. I painted the barn this summer (lol I'm a hick) and we first painted it with a white primer. Then went over it in red. The primer is designed to protect the building from the elements, as well as preserve longer the red color. I think they're doing a more professional form of that to AP.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on November 05, 2009, 01:16:14 PM
At first I was surprised to see the facade painted white, but then I realized that it must be a primer, as you said. I'm relieved that they're going to that effort, since I had just assumed they'd paint directly over the old yellow and white. This reassures me that they're taking this more seriously and the restoration will probably last much longer than if they'd done it the quicker way. I can't wait to see what it looks like when everything is completed! Does anyone have any idea how long it will take?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: PAVLOV on November 09, 2009, 10:08:33 AM
Does anyone know if there is some sort of "watch dog' representing the Palace Museums in Russia ? Some person who scrutinises the sale catalogues of the auction houses in Europe and America for things which were possibly looted by the Germans and Soviets ?
I often see amazing Russian things in catalogues. ( I am not mentioning names ). Some of these articles are of palace quality, and I wonder sometimes if they were stolen during the war.
Is someone in Russia  keeping an eye open for its lost treasures ?. The wonderful things Mr Stalin "sold" to fund his reign of terror on the Russian people ?
Of course such items would have to be bought back, either by some oligarch. or the Russian Palace it was looted from.
I dont think they would just be handed back. The plundered art of World War ll, when not handed back, as was the case between Germany and Russia, has been a major bone of contention ever since.
So anything short of a successful bid at an auction would be the only way to get them back. ( The Faberge Eggs are a perfect example)
of course Russia and Germany are equally guilty of plundering, despite the fact that both countries are pleading victims. Two wrongs do not make a right.
I wonder how many people have tables and chairs and other objects from the Alexander Palace in their living rooms ? ( Both in Russian and Germany ).   
They will never find their rightful place in the reception Room of Alexandra, or in the Study of Alexander lll in the Anitchov.  Or Gatchina, which was left with so little after the war. 
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 09, 2009, 07:05:11 PM
Okay, I'm not trying to spam the forum with this, but I think there were 3 threads this video is particularly relevant to, especially this one!

Here is a YouTube video by me of photos and footage I collected while touring Alexander Palace. I photographed all the rooms open to the public, and explanations for them are in the video, so you won't get confused. I know that the information is accurate because I had a map, and was reading the wall signs as I toured.

Hope you enjoy!

AP Interior, and a bit of exterior/park/restoration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW302jGgHwE

Lovely Video! It's great to see the Palace again since I've left.
I've noticed though that Alexei's Bear is missing in the children's room.

I composed a similar walkthrough of part of the Alexander Palace on my blog while I was in Russia. For those interested, you can see it here (http://www.frozentears.org/blog/?p=116)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on November 10, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
Laura, that is an excellent blog! Thank you.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Douglas on November 10, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Laura, that is an excellent blog! Thank you.

Hi Laura:  I digested your entire blog and I felt like I was actually there.  You can take the most interesting candid photos and your comments are succinct and intriguing
All the best for  your journey.

Douglas
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Michael HR on November 11, 2009, 07:29:17 AM
Thanks Laura very good article.

Mike
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Vassili_Vorontsoff on November 17, 2009, 09:44:14 AM
Great work to everyone! I don't have enough time for leisure actally however it is still a pleasure to discover some iterestings posts as it is the case here....The restoration is expected to revive the luxurious image that had the palace there is only a century!

Thanks to everyone!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Laura Mabee on November 28, 2009, 10:17:01 AM
Some great news!!

the former staterooms of the Alexander Palace will open to the public in 2010!

Forum Discussion - http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14298.0
News Link - http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/59news.html
Download the video clip for your iPod or Computer - http://media.ntv.ru/news/spb/20091112/NTV_CH6_1211_1830_ALEXDV_T170.mp4
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: rgt9w on January 08, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
The State Museum Preserve of Tsarskoye Selo recently purchased a porcelain cat formerly housed in the Alexander Palace. According to the Tsarskoye Selo website, the cat was a Christmas gift belonging to Empress Alexandra Feodorovna. According to the auction house website, the price realized for the cat was  2, 725, 500 rubles or approx $85,000 dollars.

http://eng.tzar.ru/info/info-events/title/?id=3024

http://auction-house.ru/en/lot/4453
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Inok Nikolai on June 11, 2012, 12:06:16 PM
I already posted this in the "auction" thread, but since this also deals with the Alexander Palace interiors, I am putting it here too:


Paul Gilbert on an upcoming auction of Romanov and Russian items:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/488news.html

An auction at Olivier Coutau-Bégarie in Paris, will offer more than 400 lots on June 18th, 2012. A rare set of 48 colour polychrome plates of the Alexander Palace interiors (circa 1914) and 25 photographs of Emperor Alexander III and Empress Maria Feodorovna visiting Denmark are among the Romanov treasures offered in this wonderful collection.

You can download, view and print a copy of the 123-page catalogue at the following link;

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/news/488news.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sarushka on June 11, 2012, 05:52:10 PM
A rare set of 48 colour polychrome plates of the Alexander Palace interiors (circa 1914)

I would love to see a higher quality version of the photo of Maria and Anastasia's bedroom shown on pg 26 of the catalog -- do you know whether it has been published elsewhere?

Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on June 11, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
Oh wow! I too would like to see better copies of all of those interior shots.

Maria and Anastasia's room looks so much larger in that photo than in the watercolor and photos we have, probably because all of those screens make it seem so cluttered.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on June 11, 2012, 07:37:40 PM
I would love to see a higher quality version of the photo of Maria and Anastasia's bedroom shown on pg 26 of the catalog -- do you know whether it has been published elsewhere?

Sarushka, the photo is not of M&A's bedroom but the playroom. I have a full page of it, im if you want copy.
Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Brassov on August 09, 2012, 06:04:39 AM
I dont think anyone knows what has happened to the Alexander Palace furniture and if it will ever come back. Judging by the time it took them to start renovations, the gathering together of what belongs rightfully in the AP is going to take years, and will be the next "struggle" for this most beautiful palace in Russia. Possession is nine tenths of the law as they say !! And everything is now in the possession of Pavlovsk, The Catherine Palace, and The WP in St Petersburg.   
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: blessOTMA on August 15, 2012, 06:31:51 AM
A blog post with a spectacular array of AP interior and some wonderful  exterior shots...most I have not seen before

http://loveisspeed.blogspot.com/2012/06/alexander-palace-tsarskoye-selo-and.html
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sanochka on September 02, 2012, 01:47:12 AM
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n556/sanochka1/1rightwingcorridor.png)

Above is a still image of the first floor corridor of the Alexander Palace's west wing, looking north toward the main entrance.  I captured it from a Saint Petersburg television station newscast about the opening of the newly restored Parade rooms on February 17, 2010.  I believe the camera man is standing in the Blue Drawing Room. 
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: RomanovMartyrs on September 04, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
I just moved to St. Petersburg two weeks ago and have been twice to Tsarskoe Selo since. I plan to go about once a week as possible, so if there is a special request to see a photograph of something, I will consider doing so if I can manage. :)

The children's floor was currently closed, but I did manage some pictures downstairs in the private wing and portrait hall, and grounds. It rained on one occasion so most of my pictures are from the nicer day. ;) Sorry, links to my Facebook photographs are the best I can do to share them with you:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/3404_10150988524435997_2143507249_n.jpg

Ignore me, but full front lol

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/405531_10150982471810997_1188528056_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s720x720/549742_10150988524855997_1207458655_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/393853_10150982550265997_1460990922_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/551030_10150982550790997_97765498_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/394534_10150982550555997_2130145184_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/375939_10150982550395997_2120933270_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/523484_10150982550910997_1718319963_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/603386_10150982551525997_2116933841_n.jpg

Hard to read, I know, but this is a schedule of when Alexei, Anastasia, Maria, and Tatiana had lessons in 1916-17:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/431408_10150982550680997_327628626_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/185455_10150982551850997_1031803145_n.jpg

That new egg:

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/430249_10150982549460997_89819638_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/376783_10150982549865997_1691247745_n.jpg

Also, the hospital, quite sad to see it like this. Recognize the stairs?

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/599517_10150988523890997_501548452_n.jpg

And Feodorovsky Sobor:

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/217935_10150988524085997_1469373114_n.jpg

And what is this thing? The monastery? They're renovating it :)

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/376720_10150988523750997_1120206362_n.jpg


Hope you like! :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: LadyHezter on September 04, 2012, 01:43:20 PM
Thank You very much for those beautiful pictures !

LadyH
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sanochka on September 04, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
I have NEVER seen a picture of the doors leading from the foyer to the first floor corridor.  Thank you ever so much for that, as well as for the rest of these neat photos!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on September 04, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
Thank you! That's exciting that you're now living in St. Petersburg. I love seeing photos of the nooks and crannies of the AP that most people don't take photos of, like your photo taken in the vestibule.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sunny on September 05, 2012, 05:14:50 AM
Thanks you RomanovMartyrs, you photos are stunning!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on October 09, 2012, 10:31:22 AM
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,373/id,7091/

Question ... This is the Alexander Palace and this stroller is the Empress?

Вопрос ... Это Александровский дворец и это коляска именно Государыни Императрицы ?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on October 09, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
No. If you translate the page, you will see the photo dated 1942.  The picture is a German Soldier in a wheelchair, outside the Alexander Palace, which was a German hospital at the time.
It is a MAN, not the Empress. LOL.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on October 09, 2012, 11:57:35 AM
http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0117/1000422.jpg
Вырубова

http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0024/00244004.jpg
Императрица

Я не видел коляску обитую таким материалам в полевом госпитале ... ? Хотя возможно вермахт мог себе это позволить ...
Allow phonetic typing
I have not seen such a stroller padded material in a field hospital ... ? Although it is possible the Wehrmacht could not afford it ...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Forum Admin on October 09, 2012, 12:00:37 PM
The Alexander Palace WAS a hospital. They may well have used one of the wheelchairs still left there. 
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on October 09, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
Мне кажется все таки Полевой госпиталь был в Старом Екатерининском дворце ... В Александровском была администрация военная ... ? Агатовые комнаты - кафе ресторан военный., ... В аптеке Касск гражданская администрация ...

I think all the same field hospital was in the old St. Catherine's Palace ... In the Alexander was the administration of the military ... ? Agate Rooms - Cafe restaurant military. ... The pharmacy Kassk Civil Administration ...

Могилы у Александровского дворца в основном не с госпиталя, а погибшие при первом штурме Ленинграда в 1941 году. А вокруг Екатерининского могилы уже с госпиталя.
Graves near the Alexander Palace mostly not from the hospital, but died in the first assault on Leningrad in 1941. And around the grave since Catherine Hospital.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 09, 2012, 01:08:03 PM
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,373/id,7091/

Question ... This is the Alexander Palace and this stroller is the Empress?

Вопрос ... Это Александровский дворец и это коляска именно Государыни Императрицы ?

how can you mistake that for the Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna? unless she was a cross dresser. lol
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on October 09, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
К 1917 здоровье Государыни Императрицы ухудшилось и были заказаны для неё три лифта между 1 и 2 этажами Александровского дворца. так что коляска была ...
By 1917, the Empress's health deteriorated and she was booked for three elevators between floors 1 and 2 of the Alexander Palace. so that the stroller was ...

http://highway55.library.yale.edu/ROMANOVIMG/size4/D0167/1002303.jpg
Nicholas and Alexandra ...
Николай и Александра ...

Padding stroller very much alike
Обивка коляски очень уж схожи

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,373/id,7091/
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,473/id,4999/
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 09, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
don't worry Geglov, the chairs are similar but the sitter arn't. its not a problem. ;)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Udutar on October 09, 2012, 05:12:17 PM
Could it be that what geglov3 tried to ask was that is the wheelchair in the picture empress's (did it belong to her)? I might be completely wrong, though... my English isn't perfect either. :)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 09, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
its possible, but then again the Palace at the time was  a  hospital. they had more then one wheelchair.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on October 09, 2012, 05:16:18 PM
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,373/id,7091/

This wheelchair is possibly from 1850s-1880s or an even earlier period with its elaborate padding and style. It may have been used by Alexandra, wife of Nicholas I, when suffering heart problems in late 1850s before her death or by Marie A., wife of Alexander II, in 1870s. Although in 1920s-30s Catherine Palace interiors were cleared of personal items for displays, the AP retained interiors c1917. As following reigns maintained rooms in memory, for example NI‘s and AII‘s in Winter Palace, this wheelchair probably was in Zubov wing. It was not valuable to be sold by Gokhran. Most likely stored in basements of either palace, German soldiers found it using as a prop. Confirmation of actual owner/location would be in the inventories of 1918 either at RSHA or GARF.

The photo does not look like interior of AP - could it be Zubov wing? The rococo detail over the door may help identification.

Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Rodney_G. on October 09, 2012, 05:40:22 PM
RomanovMartyrs
From reply 262

Those kokoshniki (last in the series of links in the middle of your post) of the Grand Duchesses are so touching and sad; just the color I'd imagined them. I guess they could have belonged to any of OTMA. I'm so glad they were saved, though it's rather heartbreaking to look at them.
All your photos are great and many thanks for making them available.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 09, 2012, 08:04:04 PM
Edubs, sorry, but I have lost track of who KR is.  My  fault, not yours. Kyril ? If so, he would not be an "Imperial Majesty, but an Imperial Highness." Majesty was just for the Emperor and his consort. Just being pedantoc again. I am really enjoyiny the story though. You are doing an excellent job as a sscreen wiriter, far better than I could do.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Maria the Beautiful on October 09, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
RomanovMartyrs
From reply 262

Those kokoshniki (last in the series of links in the middle of your post) of the Grand Duchesses are so touching and sad; just the color I'd imagined them. I guess they could have belonged to any of OTMA. I'm so glad they were saved, though it's rather heartbreaking to look at them.
All your photos are great and many thanks for making them available.

I had the same reaction when I saw them.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on October 10, 2012, 03:09:50 PM
Да скорее всего это дворец княгини Палей
Yes, most likely it is the palace of Princess Paley

http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,39/id,4745/
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Chris_H on December 24, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
I am fascinated by the parade rooms of the palace, I would love to see the West wing of the palace restored.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Chris_H on December 24, 2012, 08:54:39 AM
There is that great watercolour of the Large, crimson, drawing room in the Alexander Palace, where was this room located in the palace?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on December 26, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
This room became the palace chapel, located in #25 on the blueprint below. I've also included two recent photos of the room.

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Alexander%20Palace/Other%20Rooms/th_crimsondrawingroom.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Alexander%20Palace/Other%20Rooms/?action=view&current=crimsondrawingroom.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/AP%20Exterior%20and%20Park/Blueprints/th_APMainFloorPlanstyped.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/AP%20Exterior%20and%20Park/Blueprints/?action=view&current=APMainFloorPlanstyped.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Chapel/th_chapel5.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Chapel/?action=view&current=chapel5.jpg) (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Chapel/th_chapel4.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/visga/Places/Chapel/?action=view&current=chapel4.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Chris_H on December 27, 2012, 06:35:05 PM
Thanks EmmyLee!  Great pictures!  do you have any recent pictures of the west or the ring wing of the palace?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on December 28, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
If you browse around on this site, you can see quite a few recent photos of the right wing. Joanna directed me to the site-- wish I knew Russian.

http://www.tsarselo.ru/photos/20/2466#.UN5MY6UTuqQ (http://www.tsarselo.ru/photos/20/2466#.UN5MY6UTuqQ)

This link takes you to photos of the Blue Room in the right wing.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Chris_H on December 30, 2012, 01:04:20 PM
That's great!  Thank you!  There is a lot of work that has to be done to restore the right wing, looking at those pictures and seeing everything that is on the floor, it will be great to see it restored!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on January 15, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
КPadding stroller very much alike
Обивка коляски очень уж схожи
http://pushkin-history.info/component/option,com_datsogallery/Itemid,143/func,detail/catid,373/id,7091/

I think this is the wheelchair from the war photo above - still extant - now in the Agate Pavilion:
http://pushkin.ru/images/stories/museum/agatovie_2.jpg

Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on January 16, 2013, 10:07:03 AM
Good eye, Joanna! I think you're right.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Brassov on January 17, 2013, 12:12:50 PM
I have just realised from looking at the floorplans that a second balcony existed in the corner where the chapel used to be, a rather unusual place to put an outside balcony. I really wish that we had some photographs of the rooms behind the semi-circular hall and the reception rooms behind the collonade. The more one looks at the floorplans of the Alexander Palace, the more one realises that it was actually quite a practical and livable building. Perhaps this was why it was chosen by Alexandra as a home. A bit like a large English country house, I suppose.   
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: EmmyLee on January 17, 2013, 01:47:31 PM
Hi Brassov! If you're interested, we have a thread on this:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14466.0

Isn't it great to notice new things about the palace no matter how many times you've looked at the photos or floor plans before?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Brassov on January 18, 2013, 07:41:14 AM
Thank E. Yes, you are right. This building "speaks" to one. I am just dying to see the "backrooms". The interior of the kitchen building, bathrooms etc.
Regards
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: geglov3 on April 21, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
http://fileplaneta.com/nmjgs1769rmq/file.jpeg

Что за комната?
Аннотация   Воспитанники детской трудовой колонии им. Луначарского за игрой.
Дата съемки   1918 г.
Место съемки   Петроградская губерния/Детское Село

What kind of room?
Abstract Pupils child labor colony them. Lunacharsky the game.
Date 1918
Location Petrograd Province / Children's Village
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: danac on June 10, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Hi, as a Graphic Designer/3D Modeler, I am very visual. I am working in a Flash Interactive design of the rooms. (This is not it) I have lade out the Imperial rooms as per the old photos I have found here. I thought I would share it with you. so far. http://s214.photobucket.com/user/dcalkins1992/media/Alexander%20Palace/AP-ImperialWing.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/dcalkins1992/media/Alexander%20Palace/AP-ImperialWing.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: lunasolem on July 28, 2014, 12:36:56 PM
Hi, as a Graphic Designer/3D Modeler, I am very visual. I am working in a Flash Interactive design of the rooms. (This is not it) I have lade out the Imperial rooms as per the old photos I have found here. I thought I would share it with you. so far. http://s214.photobucket.com/user/dcalkins1992/media/Alexander%20Palace/AP-ImperialWing.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/dcalkins1992/media/Alexander%20Palace/AP-ImperialWing.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)

This is fantastic! Do you happen to have a rendering of the upstairs as well?
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: danac on August 07, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
Hi, no I don't have a layout of what the rooms upstairs looked like. There isn't as many for one thing. I do have more information on what the sick room looked like, although not exactly where it was. Yale University has a lot of photos, and some of them are of the sick room as well as on the balcony outside the Maple Drawing Room. Haven't laid it out on computer yet, just on paper.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: danac on August 07, 2014, 10:14:42 AM
Here is the Layout of what the sick room looked like with the photo references with it.


(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag365/Daena_Caulkins/SickRoom_zpsb2266dab.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/Daena_Caulkins/media/SickRoom_zpsb2266dab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on September 07, 2015, 04:34:59 PM
Restored entrance of Alexander Palace :

(http://nsm08.casimages.com/img/2015/09/07//1509071058375012513564212.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=1509071058375012513564212.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: lilianna on September 08, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
This is a project.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on December 04, 2018, 03:03:55 AM
Excerpts from the Record Book November 13th 1907 to March 18th 1908  of visitors to the Alexander Palace:

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2018/11/record-books-of-visitors-to-alexander.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Joanna on January 29, 2019, 08:27:16 PM
Rare photos of Alexandra's Maple Drawing Room and Nicholas' Working Study c1930s:

http://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.com/2019/01/photographs-of-maple-drawing-room.html

Joanna
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Lucien on March 06, 2019, 06:58:24 AM

I hear that part of the Alexander Palace will be opened again this october,good  news on itself!
But then still,we'll have to wait and see...
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Alexandre Mikhaelovitch on March 09, 2019, 04:51:41 PM
Furniture for interiors of the Alexander Palace to be recreated : here the corner fireplace is being recreated (right) for the Pallisander (Rosewood) Drawing Room (left).

(https://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2019/03/09//1903091144515012516152238.jpg) (https://www.casimages.com/i/1903091144515012516152238.jpg.html)
©Stavros

https://tsarnicholas.org/2019/03/09/furniture-for-interiors-of-the-alexander-palace-to-be-recreated/
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Sanochka on March 10, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
Oh. My. God.  This is a long awaited first glimpse at the interior reconstruction.  In color, no less.  Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting, Alexandre Mickaelovitch!  My imagination is soaring!
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: TheLionandTheEagle on March 10, 2019, 10:30:18 PM
Can't wait to go back to Russia to see this completed.  Just this half completed fireplace has me nearly in tears.
Title: Re: Alexander Palace interiors
Post by: Marie-Catherine on April 10, 2019, 10:53:55 AM
Just saw the furniture picture, can't wait to see the restored version ! Last time I was there was in 2014 and it was very emotional, can't imagine going back in 2020.
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