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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Marie Valerie on May 08, 2006, 09:54:39 AM

Title: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 08, 2006, 09:54:39 AM
Let's talk about the eldest surviving daughter of Emperor Franz Joseph I. and Empress Elisabeth of Austria.

I think Gisela is the most unpopular of the imperial children, her sister Sophie ( 1855 - 1857 ) is known for her early death, Rudolf for his tragic end in Mayerling and Marie Valerie, as her mother's fave child.
 
Gisela (12. July 1856- 27. July 1932) married in 1873 Prince Leopold of Bavaria  (* 9. February 1846-18. September 1930 )  and had four children:

- Elisabeth (1874-1957)
- Auguste (1875-1964)
- Georg (1880-1943)
- Konrad (1883-1969)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/ErzHerzogingisella.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marc on May 08, 2006, 11:05:44 AM
Why was she unpopular?Any reason?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 08, 2006, 11:43:03 AM
Her mother never really liked Gisela, she called her "ugly" and other mean things.

 >:(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 08, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Yes, that is tragic that her mother did call her things like that. She seems to have been rather pretty from her photos. Why was her mother so hostile?  Elisabeth could be mixed up, and wasn't very maternal, but still. I don't think she really was a good mother to her children. Gisele has always interested me, but so little is said about her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 08, 2006, 12:24:54 PM
I think that Elisabeth's war with her mother-in-law Archduchess Sophie,
is the reason that she never got close to Gisela and Rudolf.

Sophie took the children away from Elisabeth, but that's not an excuse for her behavier.
Even after Sophie's dead she was angry and said: "She has stolen my Children",
but if she had ever real intrest in her kids - she would have fight for them.

Sisi's last child Marie Valerie was her everything.
When anyone in her circle just got a cold - Elisabeth went hysteric and banned them from Valerie.

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 08, 2006, 10:16:20 PM
Sissi and Gisela never got to form a mother/daughter bond, because of the children being raised by the Archduchess Sophie.  Of course Sissi was a REAL piece of work and she was lucky to have one child close to her.

It seems like I read that Gisela rarely returned home after her marriage.  Anyone know anything about her married life?  I hope she found happiness....

I think she was so beautiful, especially as a child, with those eyes....
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on May 09, 2006, 01:55:03 AM


I think that Gisela was not so famous because she had "a plain life". She was a good child, a good woman, a good daughter, a good wife, a good mother. Result: nothing to tell about Gisela! But I found her a pretty and gentle archduchess.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: crazy_wing on May 09, 2006, 02:21:01 AM
And she happened to marry a minor prince too.

I believed Sisi was rather appalled when she found out Gisela was to marry at the tender age of 16.  Sisi herself married at a young age when she was still naive and she thought Gisela would not be able to coup with marriage at such a young age.  However, since her relationship with Gisela was not closed, Sisi didn't object.   The wedding went on even though Leopold was rather too "minor" for an archducess and daughter of an emperor as there were very few good Catholic princes available at that time.  Gisela and Leopold ended up having a good marriage.  

Her profile is quiet pretty and she looks very sweet and cute when she was young.  Otherwise, I think she inherited very little of her mother's extraordinary beauty.  
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Agneschen on May 09, 2006, 06:53:13 AM
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I believed Sisi was rather appalled when she found out Gisela was to marry at the tender age of 16.  Sisi herself married at a young age when she was still naive and she thought Gisela would not be able to coup with marriage at such a young age.  However, since her relationship with Gisela was not closed, Sisi didn't object.   The wedding went on even though Leopold was rather too "minor" for an archducess and daughter of an emperor as there were very few good Catholic princes available at that time.  Gisela and Leopold ended up having a good marriage.  
  
I do not think Sisi was appalled since she more or less made the match. Prince Leopold was actually already (unofficially ?) engaged to Princess Amalie Coburg. Sisi's brother Mapperl was also in love with Amalie and wished to marry her. The Empress thus did her utmost to secure her brother's happiness. She invited Leopold to Gödöllö to meet Gisela. Poor Amalie was no catch compared to the Emperor's daughter and Leopold dutifully transfered his affection from one girl to the other. He said that Gisela was so nice and had beautiful eyes just like his father's (Prinz Regent Luitpold).
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 09, 2006, 09:22:28 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/b1_1_b.jpg)

Postcard of Leopold & Gisela
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 09:26:11 AM
Well, interfering in laws can indeed wreak havoc with parental relationships with children. There are many examples of this in Royal history sadly. It was not often in these children's interests to be raised in a circle of the choosing of the nearest dominating relatives rather than that of their parents; think of Czar Paul I or the two oldest children of Marie of Roumania, who were raised by Empress Elizabeth of Russia ( Paul) and the Old King of Roumania and his wife Carmen Sylva ( Marie's children). They did not turn out well. Gisela was no match for the beauty of her mother, although she was pretty. Perhaps she was too quiet and lived too sedate of a life to be considered very interesting now.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Agneschen on May 09, 2006, 09:45:06 AM
After Elisabeth's famous ultimatum to Franz Josef, Gisela & Rudolf were handed back to her care. It seems that she was more interested in gaining her point than anything else because she neglected them as much as ever.
Elisabeth had excuses of course but it was not all Archduchess Sophie's fault. She failed in establishing a good relationship with her children and I guess it was easy for her to blame her mother-in-law for it. Sophie may have been overbearing but she was well-meaning.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 09:51:43 AM
Well, yes, Elisabeth was really too self absorbed to make a good mother. She wasn't very maternal, and most likely was merely concerned with doing her duty to the dynasty, of producing  heirs,  for the most part. I mean, she cared for her children, but her influence on them may not have been for the best. I am sure it's not right to blame anyone specifically for a child who does not turn out well, although Gisela did. Elisabeth was not in her element as a mother, although reading this thread, it seems she did care very much for her other daughter.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 10:04:21 AM
That woudn't surprise me at all. It's actually surprising that Gisela turned out as well as she did.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 09, 2006, 10:07:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Franz%20Joseph%20I%20-%20Kaiser%20von%20Oesterreich/FranzJoseph_mit_Kindern.jpg)
Gisela with little Brother Rudolf and her Daddy

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/Gisela_PrinsesElisabeth.jpg)
Gisela with her first born child Elisabeth

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/gisela-en-marie-valerie.jpg)
Gisela and her sister Marie Valerie
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 10:09:27 AM
How close were Gisela and Marie Valerie? One had her mother's favour and the other didn't.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 09, 2006, 10:12:03 AM
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That woudn't surprise me at all. It's actually surprising that Gisela turned out as well as she did.


She did very well.
Marie Valerie in her diary about Gisela:

"To me Gisela is the ideal of a wife and mother."

 8-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 10:16:35 AM
That's nice. The two daughters certainly didn't fall into the same traps their brother did, which was for the best.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 09, 2006, 10:21:53 AM
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How close were Gisela and Marie Valerie? One had her mother's favour and the other didn't.

I think they were close - but not too much.
Gisela was 12 years elder than Marie Valerie, when she married and left Vienna,
Valerie was only 5 years old.
Instead of Rudolf, who treated Valerie badly most time - because of the love she got from their mum -and he adored her and get nothing, Gisela was always friendly and caring for her sister.

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 09, 2006, 10:31:24 AM
I suppose there was too much age difference for there to be rivalry between Gisela and Marie Valerie. Often in cases like that, there is rivalry, sadly and I am happy that wasn't the case here.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 15, 2006, 09:48:21 PM
Any information and photos of Gisela and her lookalike daughter Elisabeth (Butterhein) ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 16, 2006, 09:03:59 AM
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Any information and photos of Gisela and her lookalike daughter Elisabeth (Butterhein) ?


You mean Elisabeth Baronin Seefried auf Buttenheim  ;)


(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wittelsbach/bavariakings/1874%20Elisabeth-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 16, 2006, 09:10:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Wittelsbach/Koenige%20von%20Bayern/Elisabeth%20Marie%20Auguste/OttoEliSeefriedaButten.jpg)

Otto & Elisabeth

Otto was no catholic and only a Count from a non-ruling family, so the Wittelsbachs would never allowed the relationship also Elisabeth and Otto ran away and married in secret.
In civil in Milano on 19 November 1893, and religious in Genova 2nd December 1893.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2006, 10:08:58 AM
I heard Kaiser Franz Josef later accepted his granddaughter Elisabeth and her husband.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 16, 2006, 01:03:43 PM
Franz Joseph wrote to Elisabeth that he has never thought of a Countess Seefried being his first grand-grand-daughter. The Emperor refered to Elisabeth's and Otto's first daughter Gisela who died aged only a few days.

I read that Prinzregent Luitpold couldn't forgive his granddaughter Elisabeth her marriage to Otto Seefried. When Gisela and Leopold had their 25 year wedding anniversary, Elisabeth wasn't allowed to enter her parents' house.

In a very interesting letter (published in "Kaiserin Elisabeth und ihre Töchter" by Martha Schad) Otto wrote to Gisela and Leopold that he and Elisabeth had two possibilities: 1) death and 2) a secret wedding ... For me this sounds a lot like the tragedy of Mayerling ... Gisela must have been shocked while reading this.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 16, 2006, 01:20:15 PM
Elisabeth and Otto had 5 children:

- Gisela (1895-1895)
- Elisabeth "Bessy" (1897-1975)
- Augusta (1899-1978)
- Marie Valérie (1901-1972)
- Franz Joseph (1905-1969)


(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/seefried.jpg)

Franz Joseph, Augusta, Marie Valérie and Elisabeth
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2006, 09:55:36 PM
Thanks for the info...I think Elisabeth looked very much like Gisela. I guess she had more guts than her mother about marriage.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on May 19, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
Well, it is lucky that another tragedy like the Mayerling did not happen in this case. Anyway, the House of Hapsburg had too many tragedies.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 19, 2006, 09:28:52 PM
Indeed ! However Elisabeth was a princess of the house of Wittelsbach not Hapsburg (her mother was).
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 23, 2006, 09:48:37 AM
More Gisela:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/giselaaustria.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/giselaaustria9.jpg)
Gisela with her sons Georg and Konrad


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/gisela0.jpg)
Gisela as old Lady
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on May 23, 2006, 09:59:48 AM
Gisela with her family:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/habs096.jpg)
Baby Konrad had a bad-hair-day...  ;D


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/Royal%20Houses/Habsburg/Habsburg-Lothringen/Gisela/gisela17.jpg)
sitting: Gisela and Leopold with little Konrad
standing: Georg, Elisabeth & Auguste
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 26, 2006, 06:21:11 PM
Thanks for all the information, guys!

I really admire Gisela, she seemed have overcome a disfunctional and toxic family situation.  Having a mother who viewed herself as some sort of goddess is not usually a good thing.  It may be that old Archduchess Sophie did well in removing Gisela and Rudolf from Sissi's care.  That and her early marriage saved her, IMO.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: allanraymond on May 26, 2006, 07:04:43 PM
Countess Augusta von Seefried auf Buttenheim (1899-1978) in 1919 married back into the House of Wittelsbach with Prince Adalbert of Bavaria (1886-1970).

Allan Raymond


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Elisabeth and Otto had 5 children:

- Gisela (1895-1895)
- Elisabeth "Bessy" (1897-1975)
- Augusta (1899-1978)
- Marie Valérie (1901-1972)
- Franz Joseph (1905-1969)


Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 27, 2006, 05:23:29 AM
Thanks Allan ! Nice to hear from you since RD !

I don't agree that Sophie removing Gisela from Sisi was a good thing. Gisela's sister Valarie grew up with their mother and turn out fine too. Sophie's action robbed Gisela of a mother's affection !  >:(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 28, 2006, 05:18:48 AM
Thanks ! I wonder if Gisela was close to her Aunt Marie Jose' ? ::)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 28, 2006, 06:40:27 AM
Although Marie José was Gisela's aunt, she was one year younger than Gisela. The former Archduchess Gisela admired Marie José because she always knew how to dress. Whenever Marie José told Gisela that a special dress or hat was up-to-date, Gisela went to town and bought it. Family members laughed about this behaviour.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on September 28, 2006, 11:33:13 AM
Well, the house of Wittelsbach, it had many tragedies as well. Gisela's portrait as a girl is lovely-thanks for posting it! She had great colouring, and was quite pretty.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 28, 2006, 02:08:54 PM
Some more photos:  ;)

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9581/giselarudolf02ou4.jpg)

Gisela and her younger brother Rudolf

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9878/gisela10by6.jpg)

Gisela Princess of Bavaria

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8720/gisela25xo1.jpg)

Princess Gisela in later years

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: amelia on September 28, 2006, 06:35:38 PM
Where did she live? In Austria, even after the end of the monarchy?
Thank you
Amelia
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: britt.25 on September 29, 2006, 01:48:36 AM
Maybe some will find it strange and will not share my opinion, but in my view Gisela looked better in older age than in her younger days. It´s strange, but I know different pics and I like her more, when older.

Has anyone got a good picture of her daughter Auguste, who married again in the Hapsburg family- Hungary line?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 29, 2006, 02:44:33 AM
Where did she live? In Austria, even after the end of the monarchy?
Thank you
Amelia

After her wedding to Leopold Prince of Bavaria she left Vienna for Munich. Leopold had a nice palais there.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on September 30, 2006, 08:39:07 AM
Are there some more pics of Giselas other daughter Elisabeth?

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on September 30, 2006, 08:52:27 AM
I think Elisabeth's life was much more interesting than the life of her sister Auguste. Maybe we should dedicate a new topic to her as well?

And yes, Marie Valerie, I have lots and lots of nice photos of Elisabeth and her family.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on September 30, 2006, 09:15:56 AM
Post them!

 :D
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: britt.25 on October 01, 2006, 02:34:58 AM
Maybe there could be a possibility to separate the Bavarian nobility (Wittelsbach) from the Hohenzollern as it was once made with the Habsburgs (who once were a part of the Hohenzollern section as well)?

The problem is only that a moderator for this would be needed then, but one could ask Rob, if it is of interest, but he has a lot of work.

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 01, 2006, 08:41:32 AM
Did this painting survive ? Thanks for the pics and info...you are a darling dear !  ;)

Dear Eric, I had a look at the imprint of Kaiserin Elisabeth und ihre Töchter by Martha Schad, where I found these pictures. Gisela's painting of Palais Leopold belongs to the private collection of C. Weber. I have never heard this name before and I also don't know where this person lives. The painting of the Gloriette is the private property of one of Gisela's descendants. Schad doesn't mention a certain name.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on October 05, 2006, 11:09:29 AM
Gisela did look better as she got older ( unusual!!), although she was a lovely child! Her mother was such a celebrated beauty, so obviously some of of it carried over to her. Thanks for the pictures of her especially that one of in the white dress! I am so glad I revived this thread just because I saw these pictures. Was Gisela ever considered much of a beauty? I think she was, although it was her mother's beauty that was so celebrated.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 05, 2006, 11:16:45 AM
I've never read that somebody who met Gisela said that she was a beauty. Usually her ugly "Habsburger-Lippe" was discussed.

I agree with you that there are some cute photographs of little Archduchess Gisela. But I don't like her looks as an adult at all.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on October 05, 2006, 11:28:08 AM
I do.And indeed, no ever said she was a beauty, but she looks like a beauty to me!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronika on October 06, 2006, 11:58:14 AM
Gisela was a nice child, but she wasn´t beautiful when she was adult. Bet every from us feel beautiful otherwise. :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on October 06, 2006, 12:22:44 PM
I would not she was beautiful, more that she was pretty.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2006, 09:28:34 PM
Not only that...Gisela was also sweet natured. Although she was not too understanding towards her own daughter Elisabeth Seefried !  >:(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: grandduchessella on October 09, 2006, 10:27:41 PM
What was the situation there? Did she not think the marriage was good enough?

Here's a list of Gisela's children:

Elisabeth (1874-1957); m 1893 Otto Graf von Seefried auf Buttenheim

Augusta (1875-1964); m.1893 AD Joseph of Austria 

Georg (1880-1943); m.1912 (annulled 1913) ADss Isabella of Austria (didn't he wind up taking religious orders?)

Konrad (1883-1969); m.1921 Bona Margherita of Savoy (daughter of Tommaso, Duke of Genoa & Marie Elisabeth of Bavaria; she was the niece of Queen Margherita of Italy)

I guess Elisabeth's marriage would seem pretty dynastically insignificant next to the ones made by her siblings.


Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2006, 10:54:54 PM
indeed ! It was because of Franz Josef (Elisabeth 's grandfather)'s generous decision to recieve his granddaughter into court that saved her from disgrace. Gisela was far from being the understanding mother here in this case.  :(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 10, 2006, 03:31:48 AM
That's right. Gisela and Leopold were against Elisabeth's marriage to Seefried auf Buttenheim. The couple was extremely  desperate and decided to marry in secret. When Prince and Princess Leopold celebrated their silver wedding anniversary, Elisabeth was still not allowed to enter the palais of her parents. It is said that Prinzregent Luitpold, Elisabeth's grandfather, didn't want to see her anymore.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: grandduchessella on October 10, 2006, 02:59:27 PM
Ouch! Was the marriage a successful one after all the drama they went through? How did they meet?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 11, 2006, 04:09:56 AM
Yes it did. Franz Josef was the first to recieve the disgraced couple into Vienna (thus opening doors to them). He really loved his granddaughter.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 25, 2006, 07:13:10 AM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/gisela31.jpg)

A pretty nice photograph of the young Princess of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Aliss_Kande on December 30, 2006, 09:43:22 PM
What a lovely photograph!  Such an unusual profile for her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on September 11, 2008, 12:36:02 AM
Old New York Times article on the wedding of Gisela in Vienna.....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F06E3DB1439E43BBC4952DFB3668388669FDE

I find her relationship with Rudolf as very sweet; it says in the article that they didn't want to let go of each other when Gisela was about to leave via the train to Munich.  Does anyone know how their relationship was after she got married?  Rudolf seemed to have lost the only family member he was close to....

I also read in one of Franz Josef's biographies that Archduchess Sophie was fond of Gisela and that she had been a very attentive granddaughter. 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mari on September 11, 2008, 01:19:28 AM
Different styles of beauty emerge in different era's...I don't see how anybody could call Gisela ugly..maybe cute!  If you look at Movies of the 1960's era that type face was in. Look at some of the Walt Disney stars.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: beladona on September 11, 2008, 04:37:40 AM
.I don't see how anybody could call Gisela ugly..maybe cute! 
Me too...she was not beauty but lovely and had her own specific charm...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on September 11, 2008, 06:54:05 AM
Beladona and Mari...I agree. I´ve always thought that Gisela had a lovely face. Of course, she wasn´t a beauty, but I find her pretty enough...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: LenelorMiksi on September 11, 2008, 05:09:05 PM
Sisi was probably judging Gisela by her own looks.  I think Gisela was pretty, but Sisi was beautiful.  Of course, Queen Victoria could also be critical of her children's looks, as could Empress Frederick.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 11, 2008, 05:15:54 PM
I believe Sisi thinks Gisela awkard and graceless as compared to her other children and her other nieces. Mathilde Trani was not beautiful, but looked smart and elegant.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 12, 2008, 03:30:23 AM
Old New York Times article on the wedding of Gisela in Vienna.....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F06E3DB1439E43BBC4952DFB3668388669FDE

I find her relationship with Rudolf as very sweet; it says in the article that they didn't want to let go of each other when Gisela was about to leave via the train to Munich.  Does anyone know how their relationship was after she got married?  Rudolf seemed to have lost the only family member he was close to....

I also read in one of Franz Josef's biographies that Archduchess Sophie was fond of Gisela and that she had been a very attentive granddaughter. 

After Gisela's marridge, they were still in contact by letters and by the chance they ivisited each other. But it had never been like before and Rudolf felt more lonely.
Archduchess Sophia was indeed attentive mother and grandmother. She was fond of Gisela, Rudolf and little Sophie too. Presumably she liked Marie Valerie as well, but like we know, she did't have so influence in her upbringing. Sisi wished to bring up her youngest daughter without her mother in low.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2008, 01:13:01 PM
To be fair, Sisi saved Rudolf from the bully tutor (who was appointed by Archduchess Sophie) and put herself on the line (either he goes or I go) to get him a more liberal upbringing. Rudolf was grateful for her taking his part, although the influence of his grandmother was too solid to be broken off. When Sisi had Valerie, she made sure that her mother-in-law had nothing to do with her upbringing.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: LenelorMiksi on September 12, 2008, 03:05:16 PM
From what I've read Rudolf would have loved to be closer to his mother, but she was constantly moving about and emotionally unavailable.  I wonder how Gisela felt about her mother?  Did she feel jealous of Marie Valerie?  I don't think Archduchess Sophie badmouthed Sisi to Gisela and Rudolf.  She pretty much acted as a surrogate mother to them, and keeping them away from Sisi while they were small destroyed the maternal bond that might have saved Rudolf's life by giving him someone to trust.  Gisela was the only one, and they were separated by distance and personal differences (I doubt Rudolf would have felt comfortable telling his respectable sister about his "wild" lifestyle). Gisela and Rudolf were almost a family unto themselves.  Franz Josef was probably too concerned with seeing Rudolf as the future emperor to appreciate him as an individual.  The entire family lived very separated lives, except for Sisi and Marie Valerie, and didn't spend much time together. 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
I think Archduchess Sophie took over from Sisi when she could have given them more love. She did not trust Sisi enough to raise her children. I read Gisela wasn't too much affected by it being loved by her grandmother and father seemed enough for her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 13, 2008, 01:52:08 AM
Yes, Rudolf was much more jealous to Marie Valerie then Gisela. She was maybe only a bit jealous in her childhood. But later Gisele and Marie Valerie had quite close relationship. Valerie admired her older sister and wanted to be such good mother like she was. In the contrary Valerie and Rudolf had never been so close and he often behaved rude to her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 13, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
Indeed...Gisela really did not mind not being a favourite to her mother. Sisi found her company dull and there wasn't a connection between them. Gisela was in love with her husband, while he wasn't to her (he had other women).
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on September 14, 2008, 12:14:12 AM
After Gisela's marridge, they were still in contact by letters and by the chance they ivisited each other. But it had never been like before and Rudolf felt more lonely.
Archduchess Sophia was indeed attentive mother and grandmother. She was fond of Gisela, Rudolf and little Sophie too. Presumably she liked Marie Valerie as well, but like we know, she did't have so influence in her upbringing. Sisi wished to bring up her youngest daughter without her mother in low.

Thanks for this!  I've always liked Gisela. She did turn out very well, considering her unstable relationship with her mother.  Indeed the love from grandmother, father, and brother must've been enough.  :)  I read that Franz Josef considered his girls as the ones having a more stable temperament rather than their brother and it's good that Gisela was blessed with that.

I've never found Gisela ugly and as a young child, she was very nice looking.  She had her own charm and she was beautiful inside.  It seems to me that her mother should've helped her with her shyness and all rather than criticize her, but we all know that Sisi cared only for one child.

I must ask, did Sisi ever care for Gisela or did little Sophie's death start her detachment to her 2 children?  I understand she was very traumatized by that but IMHO, it was rather cruel of her to (basically) ignore her other children and go on endless trips.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 14, 2008, 02:18:54 PM
She gave up Gisela after Sophie died and the archduchess picked up the pieces after that. After that their relastionship remained on the surface only.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on September 14, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
A few months ago, I found this picture of Gisela, taken by Angerer, on ebay...Maybe anyone has it in better quality??

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/GiselaofAustria.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on September 14, 2008, 03:33:34 PM
One more of Gisela:

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/GiselaAustria.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 14, 2008, 06:22:46 PM
I think, she had a good profile. in that looks like her mother as a teen but with dark bushy eyebrows.  :D

I don't got it, I don't find Sisi to be "BEAUTIFUL" like everyone else says, yes, she attractive, but not the beautifulest woman in the world! I find Ella of Hesse, to be more attractive then Sisi.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on September 15, 2008, 01:11:16 PM
Princess Susan, I believe that the pictures I have of Gisela are all well-known pictures...

I like so much this picture (sorry if this has been posted a thousand times or more...):

(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/EnaBatt/GISELA/Giselaonceaos.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
I got this one too. She looked almost like a boy here...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mari on September 15, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
I think She looks more like children you see with cute faces that can be either boy or girl. I am thinking of Hayley Mills for some reason...! ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on September 16, 2008, 02:36:16 AM
Indeed, she has lovely childish face here.
Thank you for posting Yseult.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2008, 03:58:23 PM
She does not and graceful...that made her unattractive in her mother's eyes. Was Gisela close to her cousins ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 19, 2008, 04:21:10 PM
Heres a pretty nice one of Gisela....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Germany/Bavaria/24a.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on October 20, 2008, 01:43:49 AM
I don't find Sisi to be "BEAUTIFUL" like everyone else says, yes, she attractive, but not the beautifulest woman in the world! 

Here I totally agree with you. I don't find Empress Elisabeth a beauty either. Pretty, yes, but not a beautiful woman.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Greenowl on October 20, 2008, 03:09:04 AM
I think it is very hard to judge on the basis of photographs and portraits, as they can be very misleading. Having said that, I do agree that in some of the photographs the Empress does not look beautiful. However, there seems to have been general consensus among her contemporaries that as a young woman she was very beautiful indeed. Nevertheless, when her assassin was describing how he murdered her he commented that she was extremely ugly, so obviously her looks faded with increasing age.

I find Gisela attractive, I like her expression/eyes, so I suppose that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on October 20, 2008, 09:24:11 AM
I think she was beautiful, too. I love this photo, she is pretty on it.

(http://i33.tinypic.com/6y1h1z.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Norbert on October 26, 2008, 03:00:42 PM
those waists ...ouch
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 26, 2008, 03:06:10 PM
Yes especially Gisela's ...please please tell me that is a fixed picture...because if its not... oh man...that looks painful
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: CountessKate on October 27, 2008, 03:47:01 AM
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please please tell me that is a fixed picture...because if its not... oh man...that looks painful

The picture certainly looks as if it has been touched up, as the pattern on the curtain behind does not continue into the areas beside the waist, and they have the suspicious granulated effect by which you can tell when a picture has been doctored.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 27, 2008, 06:10:23 AM
Totally off of topic but still talking about corsets...it is posible to have that painful waist....Cathie Jung and this lady from the belle epoque are the proof. Introduce you (just in case you didnt know her..)...Miss Pauline Polaire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/19603157@N03/2078769134/in/set-72157603527551736/). Attention!! this pictures  hasnt been touched up!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: CountessKate on October 27, 2008, 08:41:22 AM
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it is posible to have that painful waist

About the only royal person to have a genuinely tiny waist was Princess. Maud of Great Britain, later Queen of Norway.  Mostly, royal womens' waists and hips in photos were treated the way Gisela's was.  But Maud's waist looked really tiny, though presumably it wasn't just corsets which achieved that - she was small, and very athletic, so diet and exercise played a considerable part.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 27, 2008, 09:51:22 AM
Yup, she had a very slight figure
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: gogm on October 27, 2008, 12:51:18 PM
Corsets are covered by the following:
http://www.staylace.com/ (http://www.staylace.com/) . Their galleries show a number of corseted royals as well as ladies of the stage. This pair of Archduchesses is included on their site.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on October 28, 2008, 10:51:27 AM
Maud defintely had a tiny waist yes- so many don't consider her pretty, but I do. I didn't realize so many royal ladies pictures (like Gisela) were touched up to make them appear slimmer- I knew it happened, touching up, but didn't realize among other things it was done to make them appear thinner.I thought it was just the corseting of the day.In more informal pictures, those would be untouched up, and we might get a more accurate idea of their waists from there, right? Several of Queen Victoria's grandauughters seemed very slim in pictures- like Marie of Romania and her sisters, and the Wales sisters. I assume they actually looked like that to some extent, whatever touching up might have been done (although Maud apparently did have that waist)?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2008, 07:22:34 PM
Victoria's daughters do not have tiny waists. Like Beatrice or Helena.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: CountessKate on October 29, 2008, 05:51:44 AM
Frequent pregnancies, heavy meals, and lack of exercise played havoc with royal ladies' figures, and sensible women did not tight lace.  Pictures of royal women who put on a lot of weight after marriage (or who weren't too slim to begin with) such as Queen Mary and the Empress Augusta Victoria are almost always touched up to give them better figures, but those of Queen Alexandra and the Empress Elisabeth were not as they kept their slim figures throughout their lives (although Alexandra's face was touched up to remove the signs of ageing in her later years - she wasn't as miraculous as all that).  Their corsets gave them a rigid shape, but they were slim to begin with.  It's interesting that Marie of Roumania - who had a good figure as a young woman - was often photographed in flowing draperies, suggesting she preferred to disguise pregnancies or weight gains rather than resort to manipulation of pictures. 

It must have been hard for Gisela - so much plainer and less slim than her mother, who never really cared for her either - you can't blame her for wanting to look elegant along with her younger sister. 

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: imperial angel on October 29, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
Victoria's daughters do not have tiny waists. Like Beatrice or Helena.

Very true. But Beatrice's wedding photos show her ( not sure if these were touched up) laced very tightly trying to look thin, although as she was plump otherwise her tighly corseted waist doesn't give the impression of true thiness, but rather of trying very hard to achieve it.Alix of Russia certainly had a slim waist in earlier photos, but not like her cousins the Wales sisters or Marie of Romania and her sisters- she looks thin but not like she was tighly corseted as they- looks more natural. Countess Kate's point about Marie of Romania's later clothing is certainly very true- she had a very unique style of dressing in later years, although I think this was her own style to to set her apart from her fellow royal women, as well as anything to do with weight gain (she did gain weight though).
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 19, 2009, 01:27:30 PM
Talking about Gisi, here one postcard of her and her husband

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2cyi45u.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 26, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
Gisela's figure never matched her mother's.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 26, 2009, 03:39:38 PM
Gisela's figure is a little bit plumper, even in her face she doesn't resemble her mother very
much, I'd like to know where she got her features, perhaps more from his father
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 26, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
i checked the whole topic and i didnt see these ones...

(http://i37.tinypic.com/29f2tlu.jpg)

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2uy51mu.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: THERRY on October 27, 2009, 04:38:03 AM
WOW !!! Very beautiful these paintings and new for me too
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2009, 02:13:15 PM
Katenka that iamges that you posted are sooo... lovely... what beautiful, Gisela looks very
nice on this pics!!! Thank you very much!!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 27, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
You welcome! ;-). The second one is my favorite. I wonder who painted them
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2009, 03:03:09 PM
How old was Gisela in the paintings? I think that she is less than 10 years odl, perhaps
eight?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 27, 2009, 04:02:46 PM
All done before her marriage. The portraits did flattered her. She was never graceful and often clumsy, and for Sisi that was unforgivable. She commented on her first grandchild "very noisy and ugly and looked just like Gisela !". I think Sisi thought Rudolf was the best looking of her children.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 27, 2009, 07:57:53 PM
Really being honest Sissi's daughters weren't great beauties, did Sissi said something about
Marie Valerie's appereance? I've read that about Gisela and her granddaugther Elisabeth, that wasn't
neither a beauty
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 27, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
Well to me Sissi is no beauty herself, shes pretty, but not drop dead gorgeous. ::)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: RealAnastasia on October 27, 2009, 11:40:21 PM
I agree, Mandie. She was pretty, but I don't see her a s a "perfect beauty". As for Gisela, I think she was not at all ugly. Not an incredible beauty but more pretty than ugly, the same than her sister María Valeria.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 28, 2009, 09:08:29 AM
A personal opinion, for me Sissi wasnt the most beautiful of the sister, I found Sophie and Charlotte  and Mathilde even more beautiful than her. The thing is that Sissi had style, elegance and charisma and that made her so striking among the sisters.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on October 28, 2009, 09:44:09 AM
I've always thought Sissi was wrong to undervalue Gisela because she didn't like her daughter's looks, etc. I'm sorry but I find such criticisms extremely petty. And I've read Sissi's comment on her first grandchild as well.  Not nice at all. I think Gisela was a better mother, wife, and person than her mother.  

At any rate, her husband Leopold during their engagement thought Gisela had very pretty eyes and was very nice as well.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 28, 2009, 03:34:56 PM
I think Sisi was the most striking of her sisters. It was written they all tried to copy her in dress and elegance. Maria Sofia was the closest in beauty with Sisi, but she faded fast and so was Sophie Charlotte. Mathilde was quite plain in contrast (Valerie looked abit like her) but dressed well.

I think Sisi grudged Gisela for her love of Archduchess Sophie. It was why she openly preferred Valerie, who did not get to know her grandmother at all. Even Gisela's marriage was arranged by Sisi, who subsituted her daughter for Leopold so that her brother Max could marry the princess from Coburg. I read somewhere that Leopold wasn't good to Gisela at all and had many women, but Gisela (faithful Gisela !) stood by her husband.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 28, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
Well, to talk about beauty is so difficult, it will have no end!!!
Really I consider Sissi very beautiful, perhaps not perfect, but she had very beautiful features,
that Gisela didn't have, I don't consider Gisela even pretty, she had a normal appearence and that's
all.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on October 28, 2009, 11:41:52 PM
I think Sisi grudged Gisela for her love of Archduchess Sophie. It was why she openly preferred Valerie, who did not get to know her grandmother at all. Even Gisela's marriage was arranged by Sisi, who subsituted her daughter for Leopold so that her brother Max could marry the princess from Coburg. I read somewhere that Leopold wasn't good to Gisela at all and had many women, but Gisela (faithful Gisela !) stood by her husband.

Sisi or Sissi clearly had issues with her older children. I've read somewhere that she 'blamed' Gisela for young Sophie's death (Gisela infected her sister-who was more delicate-with measles or whatever the sickness was ). I don't know how true is that, and she also blamed herself for insisting on taking Sophie and Gisela on that fateful trip to Hungary.  Couldn't blame Gisela for loving her grandmother - after all, a child and young girl needed maternal love/attention and her mother couldn't provide it.

Yes, Prince Leopold was interested in that princess from Saxe-Coburg but Sisi wanted her brother to marry the princess so she invited Leopold to meet the young Gisela. It seemed that he wasn't very much attached to the other princess as he readily agreed to the nuptials with his second cousin. At any rate, he couldn't very well say no to an emperor's daughter plus she had a very handsome dowry attached (I've read that Archduchess Sophie and Archduke Franz Karl provided for most of Gisela's dowry- something like 500,000 crowns if I remember it right).  

  
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2009, 02:47:20 PM
Yes. It was lucky that Gisela (who had no say in her marriage) fell for Leopold and had a stable life with him. She proved her worth when her husband began to stray, but she never complained.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 29, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
I've never heard that Sissi blamed Gisela for the death of little Sophie!!!!
What silly thing!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 29, 2009, 04:37:59 PM
Sissi was 20 years old when her daughter Sophie died. and she was still known to be very inmature and childish.


Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 29, 2009, 05:27:11 PM
Sisi was childish and immature, but had either her husband or Archduchess Sophie guided her, she would have gradually matured. Instead Archduchess felt jealousy on Sisi's rank and hold on her son, while FJ did not know how to deal with his wife at all. Gisela's arkwardness made her mother felt repulsive against her.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 29, 2009, 07:24:38 PM
Gisela and one of her grandson. Can someone identify which one? Thanks in advanced!

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2vc6rk5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on October 30, 2009, 03:45:34 AM
That photo of Gisela in reply #175 shows her with her great-grandson, Prince Konstantin of Bavaria (1920-1969).  His mother was Countess Auguste von Seefried auf Buttenheim (granddaughter of Gisela through Princess Elisabeth of Bavaria, who married morganatically) and his father was Prince Adalbert of Bavaria.   :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 30, 2009, 08:09:34 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 30, 2009, 01:04:56 PM
What kind of mother and grandma was Gisela?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 30, 2009, 01:52:10 PM
For what i know she was a caring and loving mother  (i v never heard anything about their kids talking bad things about her).  In general, Gisela Character was like that, Loving and caring, even with her siblings
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 30, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
For what i know she was a caring and loving mother  (i v never heard anything about their kids talking bad things about her).  In general, Gisela Character was like that, Loving and caring, even with her siblings

Thank you very much for the info, now I can understand why Marie Valerie admired her ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 30, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
Gisela had a much lighter and easier personaility than Sisi as she does not dwell on issues. That itself was another strike against her in the complicated mind of Sisi, who thought her eldest daughter shallow and stupid. She much preferred the complexities of Rudolf, whom she thought brilliant, intelligent and full of feeling.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 05, 2009, 07:41:19 AM
I think that Sissi's nieces (the daughters of her sisters) are more similar to Sissi than her own daughters and son.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 05, 2009, 05:01:47 PM
Gisela and daughter Auguste and Elisabeth

(http://i37.tinypic.com/euijgh.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 05, 2009, 07:50:33 PM
Elizabeth looks like a carbon copy of Gisela.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: aor on November 05, 2009, 09:03:34 PM
Katenka F; what a nice picture! Have never seen this! thank you for posting it.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 06, 2009, 11:33:51 AM
Yes, is true that eElisabeth looks like her mama a lot!!! I've never seen that photo
before ;-) Thank you very much!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2009, 01:30:52 PM
I think Elizabeth was Gisela's eldest child and subsequently Sisi's eldest grandchild. It was Elizabeth that Sisi describes as "healthy, loud and ugly...just like Gisela !"
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 06, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
Indeed that was that Elizabeth. I don't imagine Sissi offending Ella, the eldest daughter of her
beloved Marie Valerie, I don't know about Erzsi, perhaps neither.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2009, 01:54:47 PM
Elisabeth was a Clone of her mother

(http://i37.tinypic.com/1qizxg.jpg)

And auguste has a very soft resemblance to her grandmother Sissi

(http://i35.tinypic.com/1zzpams.jpg)

(http://i37.tinypic.com/96hp28.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 06, 2009, 02:29:10 PM
The stars that Elisabeth has on her hair belonged to Sissi or were other completely different???
I agree completely with you Katenka ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 06, 2009, 05:05:02 PM
didn't Gisela's grandmother Sophie didn't like the Hungarian Branch of the Habsburgs? I think she  wouldn't have liked for her great granddaughter to marry on the side.

How old was Gisela when her grandmother Sophie died?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
Gisela was 16 yrs old when Sophie died ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 06, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
Yes. I think that would make his mother Clothide of Saxe-Coburg, and cousins to the children of Foxy...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 06, 2009, 06:26:44 PM
didn't Gisela's grandmother Sophie didn't like the Hungarian Branch of the Habsburgs? I think she  wouldn't have liked for her great granddaughter to marry on the side.

Franz Joseph was very attracted to Archduchess Elisabeth who was a member of the Hungarian branch - but his mother Sophie didn't like Hungary at all, that's right.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: aor on November 06, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
This Elisabeth would have been a way better choice for FJ then the Elisabeth he chose......
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 06, 2009, 10:21:25 PM
Thanks Katia.:)

didn't Gisela's grandmother Sophie didn't like the Hungarian Branch of the Habsburgs? I think she  wouldn't have liked for her great granddaughter to marry on the side.

Franz Joseph was very attracted to Archduchess Elisabeth who was a member of the Hungarian branch - but his mother Sophie didn't like Hungary at all, that's right.

thanks. :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 07, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
I don't think fundamentally speaking Archduchess Sofie would be able to bully Elizabeth of Hungary the way she did with poor Sisi. Sofie was power hungary and even banished her half sister Dowager Empress Auguste Caroline to Salzburg because she wanted to be the highest ranking lady in vienna.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on November 07, 2009, 07:05:59 PM
Gisela's daughter Elisabeth and her husband. She certainly resembled her mother a lot!

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3258/elisabethhijadegisela32.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on November 08, 2009, 03:38:55 AM
Yes, she did :-). But Elisabeth's features were a bit softer.

(http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Eliseofbavaria.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 09, 2009, 09:49:51 AM
Elisabeth was completely like her mother ;-)
Are there images of Elisabeth as a girl? I'd like to know if she looked like her mama as a girl
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 09, 2009, 11:17:39 AM


Bonus, Gisela and Luitpold with Georg as a priest

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk70/Stella_sabata/georgbavaria3poldigisele.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on November 09, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
i checked the whole topic and i didnt see these ones...

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2uy51mu.jpg)

I've discovered that this painting was based in a photograph:

(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3117/gisela2aa11.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 09, 2009, 03:28:03 PM
Beautiful!!!. Thanks for sharing

Gisela as a young woman has tons of beautiful portraits. This is one of my favorites

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2ik461d.jpg)


Ps: can someone tell me  circa which year this picture was taken?. Is Franz Joseph with his daughters and grandchildren.- Also Between Erzsi and Gisela is Ludwig Viktor and beside Gisela, Luitpold

(http://i35.tinypic.com/k2eqvq.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 09, 2009, 03:41:30 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/k2eqvq.jpg)

This photo was taken in front of the Kaiservilla, Bad Ischl on August 18th 1900. It was Franz Joseph's 70th birthday.

(left to right, front row) Elisabeth Franziska, Hedwig, Franz Carl Salvator, Hubert Salvator, Marie Valérie

(left to right, second row) Franz Joseph, Georg of Bavaria, Elisabeth Marie, Ludwig Victor, Gisela, Leopold of Bavaria
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 09, 2009, 03:46:57 PM

http://i33.tinypic.com/2uy51mu.jpg] (http://[quote author=Veronica link=topic=7036.msg407566#msg407566 date=1257792428)
http://i33.tinypic.com/2uy51mu.jpg[/url]

Actually this painting is a miniature by Friedrich Wailand, 1871. The same year he also made a miniature of Rudolf.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 09, 2009, 03:48:49 PM
Thank you! i knew you will have the answer! =D
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 09, 2009, 03:52:18 PM
The stars that Elisabeth has on her hair belonged to Sissi or were other completely different???
I agree completely with you Katenka ;-)

Today the original stars are in possession of different museums (for example the Sisi Museum in Vienna) and some of Elisabeth's descendants (for example Marie Valérie and Margaretha Valérie, Marie Valérie's great-granddaughters).

The stars Elisabeth Seefried is wearing in the picture are completely different ones.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 09, 2009, 03:57:05 PM
How old was Gisela in the paintings? I think that she is less than 10 years odl, perhaps
eight?

Gisela as fiancée painted by Georg Raab in 1872.

15-year-old Gisela painted by Friedrich Wailand in 1871.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 10, 2009, 07:10:47 AM
She looks like a girl, I'd never thought  that she was as old as you say... thanks for the info ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on November 10, 2009, 12:09:09 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/351fw5t.jpg) (http://i33.tinypic.com/s1kxmu.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 10, 2009, 12:40:53 PM
Gisela and Luitpold


(http://i36.tinypic.com/116pcg8.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 10, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
Gisela looks better in old age.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 10, 2009, 02:45:38 PM
Well, I think that she looked better when she was younger... She looks very well in the last one,
What small waist after having children!!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 10, 2009, 04:27:59 PM
Yes, indeed, not a lot of women after having children have a tiny waist.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 11, 2009, 12:49:11 PM
Her sister Marie Valerie is another example of this, i still don't understand what did she do
for keep a small waist after having 10 children!!! Of course that corset helps but... in Sissi is
more logical because she was anorexic, but her daughters wren't :o
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 11, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
Possibly Genes, some lucky genes in fact.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 19, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
Gisela and baby Elisabeth

(http://i48.tinypic.com/210n69z.jpg)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/1z4zuh5.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ppep80.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 19, 2009, 07:27:34 PM
I just have seen the first that you posted, thank you soo much for the other two!!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 20, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
I wonder were Gisela and Elisabeth close ? Did she support her decision on her marriage ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 21, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
Gisela was angry (and also Gisela's husband) because Elisabeth's husband was protestant. Franz
Joseph was the one that supported them, but really he wasn't completely happy with this, I've read
that he said that he wouldn't imagine his grand grand children as simply counts or countesses.
In fact that this event damaged the relationship between mother and daughter, Elisabeth wasn't invited
to the celebration of the 50th anniversary of wedding her parents.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Sorry that Gisela shared her husband's narrow mindness. Star points for Franz Josef coming into his grandaughter's resure.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
FJ was much comprenssive with some of his relatives, other example is when the Crown
Princess Stephanie remarried, he was the only one that supported her.
Is sad to think that Gisela ruined her relationship with her daughter for this reason :-(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I think she looks like a silly and conservative woman, no wonder Sisi preferred her more liberal but complex son Rudolf and her artistic cousin Ludwig II.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:25:10 PM
She reminds me her grandmother, the conservative Archduchess Sophie. It's logical, she
educated Gisela
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
Yes. Gisela was too much of a product of Archduchess Sofie for Sisi to love. I could understand why she did not allow Valerie to be anywhere near her imperial grandmother.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:30:09 PM
I think that Marie Valerie had much luck at not being educated by her grandmother. I would like
to know why did Sophie didn't quit her to Sissi? Perhaps she considered that Sissi was the mature
enough for educate a daughter, or this was the reason for quit of her, her eldest children
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
Archduchess Sofie did not consider Sisi mature enough to educate her own children. Poor Sisi had to fight and counter the influrence with no great avail. When Valerie was born, Sisi had become more powerful than her mother-in-law and banned her from the nursary. She took charge of everything about Valerie. It was her revenge against her once domineering mother-in-law.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:36:41 PM
Well, Archduchess Sophie also lost a pair of her babies, I think that she could be more
comprensive with her young daughter in law and also niece.
Well i thought that about the reason of keeping M Valerie because Sissi was 30 years old when Valerie
was born, but this reason is  even more valid
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
Archduchess Sofie did not have great faith in Sisi's abilities. She view her as a beautiful but spoilt child.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 24, 2009, 02:41:05 PM
Poor Sissi!!! Many persons on the court or austrian nobility considered her a silly woman, in fact
I read that her teacher of Greek didn't believed when he saw that Sissi was so brilliant, he had
heard that the Austrian Empress was a silly woman  :'(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:42:52 PM
They underestimated her. Sisi later used her beauty to entice FJ to the Hungarian cause.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Princess Susan on November 25, 2009, 01:46:41 AM
Archduchess Sohpie was broken old womann after execution of her beloved son Maximilian in 1867 in Mexico, and hadn't enough force and interest to fight with Sisi  about influence in upbringing her children any more. She woulden't have had even sufficient time to bring up her youngest granddaughter. Sohpie passed away when Marie Valerie was only 4 years old.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 25, 2009, 03:11:39 PM
Yes, she was much older when MV was a girl, other persons say that Archduchess Sophie didn't quit
her to Sissi because she was an ilegitimate daughter, something that wue know that isn't true.
Poor Sophie, she lost many of her children as little children and also her sooo beloved Maximilian
who had a sad death :-(
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 25, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
Poor Sophie, she lost many of her children as little children and also her sooo beloved Maximilian
who had a sad death :-(

Well, she had some miscarriages, a still born son in 1840 and she lost her only daughter Anna at the age of 5. That's sad, of course, but a lot of royal and most of all common women also lost their children when they were still very young.
(Some examples: Hilda of Luxemburg had about nine miscarriages, Irmingard of Bavaria had two still born daughters, Sophie's sister Amalie survived six of her children, ...)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: aor on November 25, 2009, 06:12:10 PM
Yes, she was much older when MV was a girl, other persons say that Archduchess Sophie didn't quit
her to Sissi because she was an ilegitimate daughter, something that wue know that isn't true.
Poor Sophie, she lost many of her children as little children and also her sooo beloved Maximilian
who had a sad death :-(

Who's illegitimate child???? who is the source of that nonsense???
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 25, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
I said that some persons consider Marie Valerie ilegitimate, this is not true. Were just rumours
of that time
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: RealAnastasia on November 25, 2009, 10:38:09 PM
I think she looks like a silly and conservative woman, no wonder Sisi preferred her more liberal but complex son Rudolf and her artistic cousin Ludwig II.

Why silly and conservative are used as synonimes? I don't think they are. I'm a cnservative and I'm NOT silly at all. As for me, I don't think that Gisela was silly either. She was only a normal woman. And yes, Rudolph was "complex" to say it sweetly.

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: aor on November 25, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
I said that some persons consider Marie Valerie ilegitimate, this is not true. Were just rumours
of that time

I'm sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about Princess Gisela.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 26, 2009, 01:06:01 PM
Well, I'm sure that he was refferring that she acted a little bit in a silly way for her
conservative character, of course they're not synonimes.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2009, 12:54:06 PM
Well...Gisela was too "common" for her mother's taste. Empress Elisabeth had friends in "Carmen Sylver" Queen Elizabeth of Romania and "Vicky" Empress Frederick of Germany, both women were learnt and acomplished. Sisi also adored beauties too, and counted Alexandra of Denmark, Princess of Wales as her equal in beauty and style. It was tragic that Gisela had neither beauty or brains to merit her mother's approval.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 29, 2009, 10:54:30 AM
That romanian Queen name was Elisabeth of Wied AKa Carmen Sylva, consort of Carol I
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on November 29, 2009, 11:04:57 AM
That romanian Queen name was Elisabeth of Wied AKa Carmen Sylva, consort of Carol I

Mr. Lowe likes to invent new pseudonyms for Royal persons.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 22, 2010, 04:55:48 PM
Little Gisela in some kind of costume (?)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2889kli.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 23, 2010, 06:18:50 AM
Little Gisela in some kind of costume (?)

http://i49.tinypic.com/2889kli.jpg (http://i49.tinypic.com/2889kli.jpg)

This picture was taken at Reichenau an der Rax, Austria. She wears the traditional costume of this area.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 23, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
She looked very cute in it. Is there one with her father, mother or brother ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 23, 2010, 03:16:34 PM
She looked very cute in it. Is there one with her father, mother or brother ?

Eric, you have read so many books about Empress Elisabeth, so you should know that there aren't any photos of Elisabeth with one of her children.

There are photos of Gisela, Rudolf and Franz Joseph which were taken at Reichenau, yes.

(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/heleneinbayern/homme/anton02.jpg)

Courtesy of Rani's wonderful website about Duchess Helene. In the pic you can see Franz Joseph, Maximilian of Thurn und Taxis, Gisela and Rudolf.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 23, 2010, 03:54:08 PM
There s another of rudolph and some others of Franz Joseph with Sissi both  ready to ride a horse and etc etc. Ites a pretty good book
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
Why did Sissi dislike to have photos with children? There is only one of a familiar portrait
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2010, 12:40:36 PM
Indeed. The group photo that included Max & Carlotta...Well. She may not like to compare herself with her children's youth. She was Queen Tatiana, the beautiful heroine of MidSummers night dream...what a grown son & daughter ??? That did not fit the picture. When it was announced that she became a grandmother (Gisela just given birth to a daughter), she was thunder struck !
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on January 25, 2010, 01:01:49 PM
She was Queen Tatiana, the beautiful heroine of MidSummers night dream...

I guess you meant Titania...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 25, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
The Fairy Queen of Shakespeare's story
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 25, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
Yes. The play was performed during the celebration of marriages of a Hapsburg. Sisi identified herself into that charecter,
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2010, 01:07:57 PM
I read that she (Sissi) didn't like babies, I'm not sure if it's true about her
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 26, 2010, 01:17:51 PM
No she liked them. Most certainly she loved Sophie, Gisela (when little) , Rudolf & Valerie. She later did not like her grandchildren before they reminded her of her age...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 26, 2010, 01:35:35 PM
But Sissi became grandmother sooo young. But it's true that she wasn't so close to grandchildren, in
that case Fj was closer to them
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 26, 2010, 05:25:50 PM
She wasn't at all pleased being a grandmother, even with Marie Valerie's children she wasn't close too.
 
She was not a good or kind grandmother to Gisela's children.

I think Sisi was a cold hearted,selfish woman with good looks (not beautiful, but pretty with a slim body), i really just think she only loved herself.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on January 26, 2010, 09:58:58 PM
also she wasn't a good or kind grandmother to Rudolf's daughter.

so a final comment- not a good grandmother at all.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 27, 2010, 11:42:58 AM
She had an strange mind, even sometimes like a child
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 27, 2010, 04:24:54 PM
She was a kind of female Peter Pan. Her husband later has to act as her father.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on January 28, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
Dear all,

Could you please discuss Empress Elisabeth at her OWN threads?
Seems every topic in the Habsburg Forum turns out to be about her.

And by the way every time you repeat the same things.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 28, 2010, 09:33:48 AM
You re right

Back to Gisela..

(http://i50.tinypic.com/jrxonn.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:20:07 PM

(http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Gisela.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:23:32 PM
All the family together
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DR8aiMNPVck/StXeQ1-mV6I/AAAAAAAABes/_C8WCMLEVYA/s400/2917_Sissi_Famillie.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DR8aiMNPVck/StXeQ1-mV6I/AAAAAAAABes/_C8WCMLEVYA/s400/2917_Sissi_Famillie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 29, 2010, 02:28:24 PM
I like the first one cause Gisela has the same age difference i have with my brother.

Gisela and little Rudolph

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4092/cimg0934.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Rudi and Gisela look lovely together as children :-D by the way... where are they??
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 29, 2010, 02:40:59 PM
i cant remember the name of the residence but im sure Marie Charlotte will tell you ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 29, 2010, 02:42:12 PM
I don't rememeber to see this in this exactly thread, I hope no...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2961229858_1f5624eddf.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on January 29, 2010, 08:00:34 PM
She looks like Dr. Ruth in that picture.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 02, 2010, 08:02:48 AM
Not her best photo indeed
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on February 02, 2010, 08:21:04 AM
Not her best photo indeed

An ordinary photo of an aged woman. Best or not, just a photo of an ordinary aged woman.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 02, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
Yes. robbed of magnificence of dress and propaganda backgrounds.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 08, 2010, 08:40:47 AM
I consider that her better images were on her childhood an as a teenager, after I don't think so. Of
course that she wasn't considered a great beauty
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on February 09, 2010, 10:06:42 PM
I consider that her better images were on her childhood an as a teenager, after I don't think so. Of
course that she wasn't considered a great beauty



Yeah, she definately didn't inherit her mothers' beauty. Although i think in her childhood and early teens she didn't look that unattractive, it was when she got older that she started well... looking quite homely.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2010, 09:07:07 AM


(http://i48.tinypic.com/23wwg46.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 11, 2010, 11:55:15 AM
In that photo above ^ she looks cute. I really think she was pretty and cute as a child to young adult, she has a baby face.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
yesa! i love those chubby cheeks and that sweet look of her as a child!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2010, 06:45:35 PM
Certainly a very shallow reason but knowing how Elisabeth was, im not surprised at all. Thanks god Gisela knew how to get along with that and move on not following her mother example , being a good mother for her four kids.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 11, 2010, 06:51:51 PM
Yes. One must also remember that Sisi and her sisters were famous for their graceful moves and walk. Parents sometimes dislike or like a child for no good reason. A frustrated parent once confided to me that she just don't like her middle daughter (even though she was pretty, well behaved and good in school). She said "I know I sound unfair, but we never did get along." Sometimes that is just life.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 11, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
Im a mother and i could be uncapable to dislike and despise a son just for estetical reasons. Thats awful but....crap happens..

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 12, 2010, 09:18:23 AM
I think that Elisabeth just had not maternal instincs, and there s nothing bad about it. She just was born in a wrong era when having child was the main duty of the women.

But well....this is not Sissi s topic so lets go back to Gisela.
 
A beautiful family portrait

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2q9vvk0.jpg)





Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on February 12, 2010, 12:12:30 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/16lxydt.jpg)

I love her face! It´s unique.
In my opinion she was very very young when she got married. And Leopold was so ugly.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 12, 2010, 12:24:55 PM
Is that Gisela?. It doesnt look like her, in fact, looks more like an actress posing  for a theatrical or promotional picture 0_o
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on February 12, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
It´s her. It´s from the Praschl-Bichler Habsburg family photo book. Many royals were photgraphed in costumes. They don´t had anything to do :)

http://www.past-to-present.com/showitems.cfm?categoryID=5763521&indice=106&fp=0
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 12, 2010, 12:54:20 PM
whats the title of the book called?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on February 12, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
"Das Familienalbum von Kaiser Franz Joseph und Elisabeth"

Author: Gabriele Praschl-Bichler
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on February 12, 2010, 12:59:46 PM
thanks!!! I heard that book is a hard one to find, even in Europe.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 12, 2010, 01:21:22 PM
She looks so beautiful!! its hard to believe its actually her *0*
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 12, 2010, 02:56:05 PM
Wow!!! This photo is simply fascinating, surely her best one!! Yes, the face is the same!! Is she wearing some hungarian traditional dress? It suits her perfectly. I wonder the size of her waist, is really small, smaller than in other photos
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 12, 2010, 03:07:47 PM
looks like a fancy version of an hungarian dress. I love it!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 12, 2010, 03:20:44 PM
Do anyone know how old was her when the photo was taken?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: RealAnastasia on February 12, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
It´s her. It´s from the Praschl-Bichler Habsburg family photo book. Many royals were photgraphed in costumes. They don´t had anything to do :)

http://www.past-to-present.com/showitems.cfm?categoryID=5763521&indice=106&fp=0


Well, in fact they had a LOT to do. Some of them wouldn't accomplish their duties, but this is another matter...And they were not photographed in costume for "they had nothing to do". It was costumary at that time. I have some good pics of my own great-great parents and their families wearing historical costumes   and they were NOT Roya at all (I'm sure of it!!!)  ;D I like very much one in which they are photographed in Morocco traditional costumes...

RealAnastasia.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2010, 04:38:49 AM
To the photo: The date is unknown, but it´s from the early years of her marriage.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Linnea on February 13, 2010, 05:24:45 AM
It's not an Hungarian but a Rokokko fancy ball dress... There's a larger version of this picture as well showing both Gisela and Prince Alfons of Bavaria.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on February 13, 2010, 07:21:35 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2vbrnr9.jpg)

They look like brother and sister!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 13, 2010, 12:02:46 PM
Nice medal ! It must be struck at the year of the marriage.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 15, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
Yes, it's true that they have similar features on the medal :-O
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on February 15, 2010, 06:37:08 PM
I think they want to remark on their likeness.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 16, 2010, 03:18:08 PM
But in real life they weren't as similar as they are showed on the medal
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 02, 2010, 02:52:08 PM
is the lady on the next painting the archduchess Gisela? i found it related to her but the caption was in german and I didn't understand it
http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/Gisela.jpg (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/Gisela.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 02, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
Yup, thats Gisela and Luitpold
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 02, 2010, 06:22:40 PM
is the lady on the next painting the archduchess Gisela? i found it related to her but the caption was in German and I didn't understand it
http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/Gisela.jpg (http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/Gisela.jpg)


Yes, that is Arcduchess Gisela, and its a painting of Gisela and Leopold (not Luitpold btw ;)). It something to do with their 25th wedding Anniversary, my German is far from perfect and I could only understand some but not completely.

the lady, behind her is Crown Princess Antonia.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 03, 2010, 11:38:28 AM
Thanks ladies for the answer ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 11, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/746px-Prinz_Georg_mit_Eltern_als_Pr.jpg)


The Golden Wedding (50 Years together!) of Gisela and Leopold in 1923.

The bishop is Eugenio Pacelli, later Pope Pius XII. next to him stands Georg of Bavaria, son of Gisela and Leopold, who became a priest.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
yes and BTW the link to that very same portrait was already posted in this very same page.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 11, 2010, 01:25:19 PM
Thanks for posting the painting of the Golden Wedding. This is the first time I saw it. Is the painting in a museum or still with the family ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 11, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
i was trying to find info but i didnt find anything just the wikipedia link

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Prinz_Georg_mit_Eltern_als_PriesterJS.jpg&filetimestamp=20090915212359
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 11, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/realSandyV/746px-Prinz_Georg_mit_Eltern_als_Pr.jpg)


The Golden Wedding (50 Years together!) of Gisela and Leopold in 1923.

The bishop is Eugenio Pacelli, later Pope Pius XII. next to him stands Georg of Bavaria, son of Gisela and Leopold, who became a priest.

Ah! It was 50th! thanks for clearing that for me :), my German is far from good.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 11, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Oh, thanks for the information about that painting, I was wondering what it represented ;-)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 22, 2010, 02:16:54 PM
I'm curious did Gisela's daughters had nicknames? silly question but i'm wondering. Since Leopold's mother was nicknamed "Gusti" and Gisela's mother "Sissi" and both Princesses named after their grandmothers.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 22, 2010, 03:14:59 PM
I'm curious did Gisela's daughters had nicknames? silly question but i'm wondering. Since Leopold's mother was nicknamed "Gusti" and Gisela's mother "Sissi" and both Princesses named after their grandmothers.

In his letters Emperor Franz Joseph refered to his granddaughters as Elisabeth and Augusta, but I know that Augusta was called Gusti, too. I guess I've never came across any nickname for Elisabeth.

In fact you can find quite a few women called Elisabeth in Empress Elisabeth's family connection and they all have different nicknames:
Elisabeth Marie (Rudolf's daughter) = Erzsi
Elisabeth Franziska (Marie Valérie's daughter) = Ella
Elisabeth of Saxony (Elisabeth's cousin) = Lilli
Elisabeth of Seefried auf Buttenheim (Gisela's granddaughter) = Bessy
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 22, 2010, 03:30:02 PM
thank you. :)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on March 25, 2010, 01:07:18 PM
Gisela, Leopold and sons Georg and Konrad:

(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9717/copiadegiselaleopoldgeo.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on March 25, 2010, 01:23:26 PM
It's new for me... can someone help me with the location of them?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 27, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Yes. Where is the house in the background located ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Trianon on March 28, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Maybe there palais in the Leopolstraße? No doesn't look like a building in the city. Maybe its a summer house? (dont know if they had one...)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on March 28, 2010, 05:57:10 PM
The place is the "kaiser villa in Gries bei Ischl."
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Trianon on March 28, 2010, 06:45:42 PM
The Kaiservilla in Bad Ischl? Looks totally different than I remember (didn't it have only 2 stories?) but thanks for the answer!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on March 29, 2010, 05:09:31 AM
Don't you think this picture is a montage?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 29, 2010, 06:26:40 AM
looks like a composite to me.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 29, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
Yes. It does looks like a composite photo. The background does not look like Bad Ishl to me.  :-\
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Veronica on March 29, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
Well, the photo is from the same session as this one, and Gisela and Leopold are in a garden with a bench behind them, so maybe it's not a composite but just the quality of the picture makes it look like one. Just my guess...

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9646/giselayleopold0151.jpg)

By the way, about the location, I just copied the caption of the picture...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: aleksandr pavlovich on March 29, 2010, 02:12:57 PM
Note that in the photo in Reply #335:  The figures seem to cast no shadows.  IMO, a potentially suspicious assemblage.  AP
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on April 13, 2010, 02:29:49 PM
Elisabeth Seefried and family

(http://i42.tinypic.com/1tlvk5.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 17, 2010, 11:29:48 AM
row row row the boat!

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1227/cimg0938a.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yseult on April 24, 2010, 03:15:27 AM
Yours, Kaiserin Alzbeta ;)

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh282/queenberenice/giselaaustria16-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 26, 2010, 08:21:07 AM
Leopold

(http://i43.tinypic.com/speqtk.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 26, 2010, 10:40:57 AM
My God!! What lovely surprise Yseult!! Thank you very222 much!! It's very beautiful!!!, is a pity that there isn't the information availabe about its exact location
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on April 27, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/33f3ngz.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on May 09, 2010, 01:34:33 PM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/4t0t1v.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on May 09, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/25gf6vs.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on May 09, 2010, 04:44:17 PM
@Marie: I don´t know if you know this

(http://i43.tinypic.com/670gie.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 10, 2010, 04:10:17 AM
Thanks a lot, Rani, it's totally new for me. I am really interested in Elisabeth Seefried and her family, but I haven't seen a lot of pictures yet.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2010, 02:18:09 PM
I found this labeled as Archduchess Gisela with her son at Bad Ischl
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Empresses/GiselaBike.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 03, 2010, 02:48:03 PM
it looks like Gisela !!

Gisela, Leopold and son Konrad  with some other people. Courtesy of the ANNO

(http://i49.tinypic.com/ifagia.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 03, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
I would never imagine Gisela ridding a bicycle!!!
Lovely photo below!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on July 01, 2010, 05:21:06 PM
Young Gisela
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/Gisela.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2010, 07:33:20 AM
if that s from the ONB, can you please post the link where you found it to see it bigger? thanks in advanced

A not so flattering illustration of Gisela. Based on a picture

(http://i48.tinypic.com/6suxk3.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 02, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
Yup its locked but if you click twice at least that lead you to the search page

here s the large version. Always courtesy of the ONB

(http://i49.tinypic.com/5khzc4.jpg)

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on July 04, 2010, 12:47:57 AM
Thanks for the bigger and clearer verssion... the only defect was the watermark but anyways is lovely

A watermark is not a defect but a copyright defending. None loves them but such is life in our free Internet times.
 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on July 07, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/Isana1988/IMAGE0035-1.jpg)

Leopold
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 07, 2010, 11:59:28 AM
He looked kind of colourless. I wonder if he was as boring as he looks. However Gisela was devoted to him.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on July 07, 2010, 01:02:37 PM
Did you see the reflection? It´s shows Joseph Albert. Famous photographer from Bavaria.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on July 16, 2010, 08:21:36 AM
little gisela

(http://i25.tinypic.com/16balx0.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 04, 2010, 02:29:54 PM
Gisela, her mother, husband and baby
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/Isabel-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 05, 2010, 10:41:01 AM
Has anyone seen one illustration about Gisela's wedding? I saw one but the image was damaged and didn't open well. So if someone knows it please post it. Advanced thanks!
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 07, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
Very young Gisela playing with her toys
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/babygisela.jpg)
First communion
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/FirstCom.jpg)
Little Gisela
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/gisi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 12, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
The young archduchess Gisela
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/gisela.jpg)

Gisela and Luitpold
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/enggis.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 12, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
She was really not very attrative as she grew up.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 12, 2010, 03:50:29 PM
Eric, why do you do that? you always post a useless comment on someone's looks, its getting old and annoying. comments like she wasn't slim or pretty. who cares. most ladies you comment on are dead and its getting on my nerves everytime i come on the forum.

Back to Gisela,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Austria/Emperor%20and%20their%20direct%20descendants/Gisela111.jpg)

My favorite painting of the Archduchess
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 13, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
Gisela's wedding (love this!!!)
Click!! (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IYD60sPde6sIdmcHQ6daug)
Augusta's son
Click here!! (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qxAZ9mDDVEgEvaHrxJAh8A)
Posted  this before, but now bigger
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Queens/bici.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 13, 2010, 06:14:12 PM
Nice. Who is cycling in the drawing ?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 14, 2010, 02:18:25 PM
The original caption that found was: "The archduchess Gisela and her son riding bicycle at Bad Ischl". I don't know which of her sons. I didn't imagine her riding a bicycle using those long skirts, but one day I read that even Sissi herself learned to ride bicycle at her 60!!! So close to the end of her life.
Back to Gisela:
Posted before the same session, but now in other pose. Gisela and her dog.
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/gisianddog.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on October 17, 2010, 08:40:16 AM
A portrait by Schrotzberg, who painted her sister Sophie, too.

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6099/007604.jpg)


http://www.saxonia.com/cgi-bin/dynfs.pl?Kuenstler_liste=/galerie/007604.htm
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 18, 2010, 12:33:35 PM
From the dog`s photoshoot posted above

(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7489/scan00543.jpg) (http://img169.imageshack.us/i/scan00543.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on October 18, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
When Gisela and Sophie got ill and Sophie died, what did Sisi thought about Gisela?
Somewhere I read that she blamed Gisela for Sophies death. Because Gisela was at first ill.

Could this be a reason why there was never a mother-daughter relationship, just a friendship?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on October 18, 2010, 02:37:48 PM
Haven't heard nothing like this before, I think that it can be possible considering that Gisela was the children with the one Sissi had the coldest relationship (may be as result of this). Although is quite nonsense of Sissi to blame this to baby Gisela.
I can remember that a detail of this was posted before but not the full, here it goes. One of Gisela's nicest pics...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Queens/gisiAustria.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on November 04, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
Young Gisela
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalFamilies/gisi1.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 06, 2010, 01:18:04 PM
Old Gisela and Leopold

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/932/gghxfhxdfh.jpg) (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/gghxfhxdfh.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Pezzazz on November 07, 2010, 07:15:24 AM
Handwritten letter signed von Erzherzogin Gisela von Österreich, verh. of Archduchess Gisela of Austria, married. Prinzessin von Bayern (1856 - 1932) an Joseph Latour von Thurmburg - Schönbrunn, 13. Princess of Bavaria (1856 - 1932) to Joseph Latour from castle tower - Schönbrunn, 13 9. 9. 1898

http://tinyurl.com/267aflo
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 17, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
You welcome!

Young Gisela

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2131/giselayoungandalonewx6.jpg) (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/giselayoungandalonewx6.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 29, 2010, 12:37:08 PM
I was doing a search and I found this portrait labeled as Princess Gisela of Bavaria by Kaulbach 1889. I think that the portrait is beautiful indeed but I'm not sure that the woman portrayed on it is really Gisela.
Click here! (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/RoyalLadies/GiselaKaulbach.jpg)

Won't be surprised if it is simply mislabeled.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: MademoiselleAndrea on December 29, 2010, 12:55:03 PM
It is beautiful but doesn't look a bit like Gisela.  ???
I love that very young Gisela painting that Mandie posted...my favorite of her too.  ;)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 10, 2011, 01:32:02 PM
Gisela and her Bavarian family, love this detail of the portrait of the dead King Ludwig II on the table!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/giselayfamilia.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on March 31, 2011, 02:20:03 PM
Gisela and brother Rudolf

(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5946/dfipsahfi.jpg) (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/dfipsahfi.jpg/)
 

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Michael II on April 10, 2011, 05:30:24 PM
I have a rather odd question:  Were Archduchess Gisela and her husband Prince Leopold cremated when they died?  As they were Catholic and the church was rather against such things at that time I was just wondering since they are buried in the colombarium of St. Micheal's Church, Munich.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 10, 2011, 06:45:20 PM
There are also urns in the columbarium that just contain the heart of a deceased person. But I don't know if that's what happened to Gisela and Leopold.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Svetabel on May 18, 2011, 01:15:33 PM
2 more photos of Gisela

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1898.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/9caedadd.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 04, 2011, 10:20:55 AM
A new book comes out this year:

Sisi's Kinder: Leben im Schatten einer exzentrischen Mutter


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NdL6JGpCL.jpg)







See: http://www.amazon.de/Sisis-Kinder-Schatten-exzentrischen-Mutter/dp/3218008255/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2H2T5BECOAFDI&colid=3A6MPUNPO8JRM

Verlagstext:

Kind von Kaiserin Elisabeth zu sein, war ein schweres Los: Sie war exzentrisch, überspannt, eine faszinierende, romantische Figur.
Sie hasste das Leben am kaiserlichen Hof, suchte ihr Heil in der Flucht, geißelte ihren Körper, um ewig jung und schön zu bleiben …
Was bedeutet es, eine solche Mutter zu haben?
pannend und mit feinem psychologischem Gespür erzählt Hanne Egghardt das Leben der vier Kinder im Schatten der Kaiserin:
Sophie, die im Alter von zwei Jahren starb, Gisela, Rudolf und Marie Valerie.
Gisela und Kronprinz Rudolf wurden von ihrer Mutter ignoriert und abgelehnt, Marie Valerie hingegen vergöttert und verzärtelt.
Beide Töchter widmeten ihr Leben später der Wohltätigkeit, Gisela in München, verheiratet mit Prinz Leopold von Bayern, Marie Valerie mit Erzherzog Franz Salvator, der sie jedoch ungeniert betrog. Kronprinz Rudolf hingegen fand seinen Platz im Leben nicht. Er versank in Depressionen – bis zu seinem Freitod mit Baronesse Mary Vetsera in Mayerling. Die Geschichte der unglücklichen Kaiserin Elisabeth und ihrer Kinder, die Hanne Egghardt hier erzählt, berührt und lässt niemanden kalt.

---


I hope for more informations of Gisela, I have many books on Rudolf and Marie Valeries Diary, but infos of Gisela are rare, although she outlived all her siblings and died 1932.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 04, 2011, 11:07:10 AM
Can someone translate the text above, Please?. I dont read German,
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 04, 2011, 12:11:14 PM
The title is translated:

Sisi's children: Life in the shadow of an eccentric mother


The text:

Being s child of Empress Elisabeth was a hard life, she was eccentric, exaggerated, a fascinating, romantic figure.
She hated life at the imperial court, tried her luck in running away, lashed her body to stay forever young and beautiful ...
What does it mean to have such a mother?
Exciting and with fine psychological sense Hanne Egghardt tells the lives of four children in the shadow of the Empress:
Sophie, who died at the age of two years, Gisela, Rudolf and Marie Valerie.

Crown Prince Rudolf and Gisela have been ignored and rejected by her mother, Marie Valerie, however idolized and pampered.
Both daughters devoted their later lives to charity, Gisela in Munich, married to Prince Leopold of Bavaria, Marie Valerie married Archduke Franz Salvator, who openly cheated on her.
Crown Prince Rudolf, did not find his place in life. He sank into depression - until his suicide with Baroness Mary Vetsera in Mayerling.
The story of the unfortunate Empress Elisabeth and her children, Hannah Egghardt tells the touching story that leaves nobody cold.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on June 05, 2011, 03:47:18 AM
Do you think the book is good, Marie Valerie?  :) Was the author able to balance facts with her own insights and suppositions? And how were the children affected (in a gist)?
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on June 05, 2011, 06:29:27 AM
The book is not yet out, so I can't say anything about it.
 
Amazon says the book is available in September 2011

But the topic "Sisi's children" is a good and interesting one, and I'm looking forward to it.

Just as I said I hope for more informations on Gisela, she is so underrated.

Marie Valerie as her mothers favourite and Rudolf with his tragic end, it seems Gisela is forgotten.

Their sister Sophie died as an infant, so there won't be much about her.

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Rani on June 05, 2011, 07:02:45 AM
Thanks MV!

Agree, we don´t know much about Giselas personality, besides that she was a "simple housewife". But she was the daughter of Empress Elisabeth and Franz Joseph. I don´t think that she was that average. And it´s always shocking for me how young she was when she married and the whole Leopold-Amalie-Max Emanuel story.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: prinzheinelgirl on June 06, 2011, 05:05:55 AM
Thank you, Marie Valerie!

Sorry, I wasn't able to read the first part of your post, that the book is still due to come out.  I should pay more attention!  :)

As my German is very poor (still trying to improve my reading skills on it), I'd appreciate any future posts you may wish to make on the book. I like all 3 children, and I concur with what you said that Gisela deserves to be covered more extensively.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on June 25, 2011, 08:56:47 AM
Gisela

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6853/gizella.jpg)

And Leopold

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/4122/nvtelen3.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 01, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Posted this before but now in color: Gisela, Luitpold, Sissi and baby (must be Elisabeth)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/Vintage%20Dreams/colorversion.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 01, 2011, 01:57:42 PM
Yes. Sisi looked at the child critically and wrote "she was healthy and ugly... just like Gisela !"...
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: jalm on July 15, 2012, 11:03:05 AM
Please find below a photograph of Princess Elisabeth von Bayern (1874-1957) daughter of Leopold von Bayern and Archduchess Gisela.
Taken approx. 1888-1890.

(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/alexander-palace/cc6-alexander-palace-12.jpg)

Jan
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 05, 2012, 12:35:14 PM
Gisela in old age
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingSissi/gisi.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 05, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
Yes. She did not age well.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 05, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
nither did her mother, the "Beautiful" Empress Elisabeth.....
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on June 25, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
Beautiful portrait of young Gisela. *****Credits on the image*****

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/GizelaNew_zps86bfe162.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/GizelaNew_zps86bfe162.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on December 24, 2013, 01:22:15 PM
With the same gown than in reply #317, sadly the quality is quite poor :-(

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/DarlingCharlotte/GiselaArchduchess_zps344a3751.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/DarlingCharlotte/GiselaArchduchess_zps344a3751.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 26, 2013, 03:05:20 AM
Poor thing. At least she was happy with her lot.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on February 27, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
Portrait of Archduchess Gisela by Hans Canon, 1879--> Click here (http://www.artnet.com/artists/hans-canon/prinzessin-gisela-von-bayern-erzherzogin-von-wkq3kzc91O12GengTHwt0Q2)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 02, 2015, 12:49:28 PM
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7878306032_7f91150d15_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on March 02, 2015, 12:51:27 PM
(http://static0.akpool.de/images/cards/57/570296.jpg)

Gisela on her deathbed
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Maria Sisi on March 02, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
Looks like Franz Joseph with a wig on

Gisela died in 1932. When did the tradition of deathbed photos come to an end?

Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on January 06, 2016, 01:53:53 PM
February 24th, 1873. The confirmation of Empress Sissi’s children, Archduchess Gisela (godmother Archduchess Elisabeth) and Crown Prince Rudolph (godfather Archduke Karl Ludwig).

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/confirmation_zpssmbrynbk.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/confirmation_zpssmbrynbk.jpg.html)

The wedding of Archduchess Gisela and Luitpold of Bavaria. The first already here but not in color.

(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/archduchess%20gisiwed_zpsuuftv9wr.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/archduchess%20gisiwed_zpsuuftv9wr.jpg.html)(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/KaiserinCharlotte/ErzsiMarie/gisiwed_zpspzqbsaza.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinCharlotte/media/ErzsiMarie/gisiwed_zpspzqbsaza.jpg.html)

Credits for: http://alzbeta-sisi.blog.cz/
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on April 26, 2016, 01:30:20 PM
With the same gown than in reply #317, sadly the quality is quite poor :-(

Better one

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/Gisi_zpsx7anbc57.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/Gisi_zpsx7anbc57.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on May 20, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
Young Gisela

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/giselabayern_zpse0yclsyd.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/giselabayern_zpse0yclsyd.jpg.html)

Source: here (http://www.junglekey.de/search.php?query=Gisela+von+%C3%96sterreich&type=image&lang=de&region=de&img=1&adv=1)


As a baby with older sister, Sophie

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/Darling%20Sissi/gisisophie3_zpsgfuuqfzm.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/Darling%20Sissi/gisisophie3_zpsgfuuqfzm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on August 26, 2016, 02:14:39 PM
The wedding of Archduchess Gisela to Prince Luitpold of Bavaria. April 20th, 1873.

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/KaiserinAlzbeta/DarlingCharlotte/bodagisela_erzsebet%20kiralyne_zpsxv6tsb5q.jpg) (http://s686.photobucket.com/user/KaiserinAlzbeta/media/DarlingCharlotte/bodagisela_erzsebet%20kiralyne_zpsxv6tsb5q.jpg.html)

Taken from: erzsebet-kiralyne.blog
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Marie Valerie on August 26, 2016, 04:21:30 PM
The wedding of Archduchess Gisela to Prince Luitpold of Bavaria.


Dear Yelena,
Gisela's husband was Prince LEOPOLD of Bavaria.
Luitpold was her father-in-law.
Title: Re: Archduchess Gisela, daughter of Franz Josef, Princess of Bavaria
Post by: Yelena Aleksandrovna on September 29, 2017, 03:28:58 PM
Illustration (https://68.media.tumblr.com/c419a9bf868fc477f82d998350e70b31/tumblr_ox0bdc1AYt1v1oo6no1_400.jpg)

Colorful illustration, with her brother Rudolph (https://68.media.tumblr.com/d619e6a4190553944e81dcd4648c4a85/tumblr_ox0bkoPMLZ1v1oo6no1_250.jpg)

Again with brother (https://68.media.tumblr.com/8fdccdad921b00b8ba97d98d416efd9e/tumblr_ox0bq0oEqi1v1oo6no1_250.jpg)

Quote
Dear Yelena,
Gisela's husband was Prince LEOPOLD of Bavaria.
Luitpold was her father-in-law.

Yes!!! My mistake, thanks for the correction!!