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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Habsburgs => Topic started by: Alice of Hesse on May 09, 2006, 12:43:54 PM

Title: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 09, 2006, 12:43:54 PM: I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5033/elisahund1b3jq.png) (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: Agneschen on May 09, 2006, 10:31:26 PM: What a lovely (and unknown) pic of Elisabeth ! Her outfit is absolutely gorgeous !!! If anyone has a full, clearer version of it, please post.
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Post by: s.v.markov on May 10, 2006, 03:39:48 AM: Yes, it's new to me too. I read somewhere that she preferred being photographed with dogs, rather than other people! So did her mother. Is this dog called Shadow, or is it a different one? Shadow has a statue at the Emperor's villa in Ischl. There are some nice dogs pictured with the Empress in Andrew Sinclair's 'Death by Fame' (1998). Countess Kleinmichel in her 'Memories of a Shipwrecked World' (1923) has a few pages on the Empress, and recalls going riding with her. She also reproduces that wonderful photo of the Empress on a couch, with Shadow at her feet.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 10, 2006, 04:50:04 AM: Quote
Yes, it's new to me too. I read somewhere that she preferred being photographed with dogs, rather than other people! So did her mother. Is this dog called Shadow, or is it a different one? Shadow has a statue at the Emperor's villa in Ischl. There are some nice dogs pictured with the Empress in Andrew Sinclair's 'Death by Fame' (1998). Countess Kleinmichel in her 'Memories of a Shipwrecked World' (1923) has a few pages on the Empress, and recalls going riding with her. She also reproduces that wonderful photo of the Empress on a couch, with Shadow at her feet.

There are a lot of pictures of Elisabeth's mother Ludovica with her dogs. But she was also photographed with her children and grandchildren, especially with her favourite granddaughter Amélie.
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Post by: crazy_wing on May 10, 2006, 02:58:54 PM: Sisi's mother preferred smaller dogs while Sisi liked bigger ones. Ludovica would let her dogs come to the dinner table with her too.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Laura_ on May 10, 2006, 03:32:09 PM: oh that photo is magnificent,thanks so much :)!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on May 11, 2006, 01:19:37 PM: Quote
I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5033/elisahund1b3jq.png) (http://imageshack.us)

The National Photo Archive of the Hungarian National Museum has it, and it was published in 2004, in a volume about the history of colour(ed) photography in Hungary. I'll try to scan it for you.

D
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 14, 2006, 10:52:19 AM: Quote
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I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.

The National Photo Archive of the Hungarian National Museum has it, and it was published in 2004, in a volume about the history of colour(ed) photography in Hungary. I'll try to scan it for you.

Please try to scan it for me. I would be so happy.... Can you please tell me more details about that book (History of colour(ed) photography in Hungary). Is it still possible to buy it and where ?
Thanks.

Greetings
Alice of Hesse
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on May 15, 2006, 04:36:59 AM: Quote
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I am searching this picture of Empress Elizabeth of Austria (Sisi) with her dog Shadow. I only have it in bad quality and only a part of it. Does anybody of you have it or knows in which book it is ? Can anybody post it ? I would be so happy to find it.

The National Photo Archive of the Hungarian National Museum has it, and it was published in 2004, in a volume about the history of colour(ed) photography in Hungary. I'll try to scan it for you.

Please try to scan it for me. I would be so happy.... Can you please tell me more details about that book (History of colour(ed) photography in Hungary). Is it still possible to buy it and where ?
Thanks.

Greetings
Alice of Hesse

Details:

Színes Magyarország : a kezdetekt[ch337]l 1956-ig / Hungary in color : from the beginnings to 1956 / ed. by János Varga F.; [text by Károly Kincses, János Varga F.] ; [transl. by Piroska Nagy] /. [Budapest] , M. Hiv. Közlönyk, 2003
ISBN: 9639221511
I think it's still available in Hungary. Try www.libri.hu (it's in Hungarian, but if you insert the ISBN to the top left /quick search/ window, you'll find some more information.
The scanned pic is coming soon...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Paola on May 17, 2006, 08:19:01 AM: I once read Empress Elisabeth buried her favorite dog Shadow in the park of Godollo. I wonder if the grave is still there?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on May 18, 2006, 02:52:40 AM: I haven't heard of it before, but I wouldn't be surprised :)

db
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 18, 2006, 09:11:10 AM: Quote
I once read Empress Elisabeth buried her favorite dog Shadow in the park of Godollo. I wonder if the grave is still there?

Yes, the grave is still there. Sisi buried in Gödöllö two dogs. Here is a picture of the tombstones of Shadow and Plato, the queen's favorite dogs, in the front garden.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4812/scan00029zd.th.jpg) (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00029zd.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Paola on May 18, 2006, 09:44:29 AM: Wow, thanks a lot for the pictures Alice of Hesse. So interesting the graves are still there.Did you visit the graves and took the pictures yourself? I will see the graves too when I will be there.

Paola
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on May 18, 2006, 10:43:59 AM: Quote
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I once read Empress Elisabeth buried her favorite dog Shadow in the park of Godollo. I wonder if the grave is still there?

Yes, the grave is still there. Sisi buried in Gödöllö two dogs. Here is a picture of the tombstones of Shadow and Plato, the queen's favorite dogs, in the front garden.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4812/scan00029zd.th.jpg) (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00029zd.jpg)

Is that sure, that the graves are still there? I've NEVER EVER heard of it before.

D
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 18, 2006, 03:06:46 PM: Quote
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I once read Empress Elisabeth buried her favorite dog Shadow in the park of Godollo. I wonder if the grave is still there?

Yes, the grave is still there. Sisi buried in Gödöllö two dogs. Here is a picture of the tombstones of Shadow and Plato, the queen's favorite dogs, in the front garden.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4812/scan00029zd.th.jpg) (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00029zd.jpg)

Is that sure, that the graves are still there? I've NEVER EVER heard of it before.

You can see today only the tombstone of Shadow. I was in Gödöllö some years ago and saw it.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on May 19, 2006, 05:32:37 AM: OK, so one of the graves is still there. Thanks for the info. I'll search it next time when I visit Gödöllö. (I've still managed to find the photo of the tombstones posted before. It was made by Mór Erdélyi in the early 1890s).

D
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Paola on May 19, 2006, 06:25:08 AM: I will try to search the tomb when I visit Godollo. It is a pity the tomb of Plato is no longer there. Is there any picture of Sissi with Plato? I only saw pictures of her with Shadow.

Paola
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 19, 2006, 07:49:31 AM: Quote
Wow, thanks a lot for the pictures Alice of Hesse. So interesting the graves are still there.Did you visit the graves and took the pictures yourself? I will see the graves too when I will be there.

Paola

I was there on holidays a few years ago. Today there is only the tombstone of Shadow. The picture I posted was from a book about Gödöllö - I bought it in the museumshop. It is an old photography in black and white.

Alice
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Paola on May 19, 2006, 08:27:57 AM: Thanks Alice. I plan to visit Gödöllö next month.I will search the tombstone of Shadow and buy the book in the museumshop.

Paola
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Alice of Hesse on May 20, 2006, 03:00:12 AM: Quote
OK, so one of the graves is still there. Thanks for the info. I'll search it next time when I visit Gödöllö. (I've still managed to find the photo of the tombstones posted before. It was made by Mór Erdélyi in the early 1890s).

If you go on the homepage of the castle Gödöllö www.kiralyikastely.hu and klick on Palace History - Palace Park you can read: “Her two beloved dogs were buried here, the marble plate commemorating one of them is still there.”
Alice
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Speedycat on June 27, 2006, 01:46:44 PM: Can't see the photo in the first post, so my apologies if I am posting a "repeat".

(http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6023/sissiandshadow2lj.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 02:18:08 PM: Hi,some time ago I found one portrait on Ebay and don't know who could it be.It is written on the bottom:''Josephus,Hungariae Rex,Archidux Austriae,Dux Burgau,Comes Türol''
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 02:18:47 PM: (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/RexHun.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 02:19:54 PM: So,anyone knows who could this be?
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 07, 2007, 03:16:22 PM: I just had a look into my book Die Habsburger - Ein biographisches Lexikon by Brigitte Hamann. In this book you can find short biographies of every Habsburg.
In fact Joseph wasn't used very often.

Emperor Joseph I. (1678-1711)
Emperor Joseph II. (1741-1790)

From the Hungarian line:
Archduke Joseph Anton (1776-1847)
Archduke Joseph Karl (1833-1905)
Archduke Joseph Ferdinand (1872-1942)
Archduke Joseph August (1872-1962)
Archduke Joseph Franz (1895-1957)

Hungariae Rex means something like King of Hungary. So the young man should be Joseph I. or Joseph II.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 04:21:54 PM: Well,I don't think it's either Joseph I or Joseph II(sure not)...This boy must be someone from 16th or begining of the 17th century...Why else would they mention Dukes of Burgau or Counts of Tirol(Duke or Fürst von Burgau was son of Archduke Ferdinand,Count of Tirol and Philippine Welser)?
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Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 04:25:16 PM: (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/JosephI.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2007, 04:27:40 PM: Just for comparation.Portrait of Joseph I as a child,so I really doubt that this is him on the first portrait!But,who could it be?I searched genealogy pages but was unable to find any Joseph from this period,even if he is from an illegitimate line...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: britt.25 on April 08, 2007, 03:23:08 AM: There are different child portraits of Joseph I. and for me he does not look like Joseph I on this portrait as well, but as there is really no other Joseph at that time ( I did not find any as well) I may really be him. Is the ebay page with that portrait still there? Or do you know the name of the seller? Sometimes the people, who sell the things, know more (not always of course) Concerning the line of the counts of Burgau (line of Ferdinand II of Tyrol) there is no Joseph as well: Ferdinand II had the sons Andreas and Karl, Karl had a son Karl and one with the name Ferdinand and daughters, and Karl again had a son Karl, but then I don´t find anymore descendants, even when I have read on a todays claimant, who says that he descends from that line! Maybe the painter included some "phantasy". I am of the opinion that it cannot be any count of Burgau, because he could never have the title of a king of Hungary, but as king of Hungary a Habsburg can have many other titles, maybe including that of Burgau as well (strange...Have to look up about the titles) Concenring the Hungary line, who descends from Joseph Anton, Palatine of Hungary (1776-1846), I don´t think it´s any of them, because it´s almost impossible that kind of art in the 18th and 19th century, they all look different as well. Maybe it´s really Joseph I as very young man, when he was only king of Hungary, when when I think the features do not really fit, but sometimes the artists work with too much freedom... very strange. I little it reminds me of the spanish line (illeg. son of Philipp IV) or his brothers, but of course that´s impossible as well, but at least it´s from that time!
Has anyone got other ideas or remembers anyone the name of the seller?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: umigon on April 08, 2007, 07:31:26 AM: He certainly has the Habsburg features of the 17th century. I don't think there's any other possibility except for the young man to be Joseph I.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: dboro on April 19, 2007, 09:28:56 AM: I agree. I think there's no other possibility. The portrait itself suggest the 17th century, Joseph I. became King of Hungary in 1687, at the age of 9, so it looks OK. On the other hand, this portrait is quite mediocre (or worse), so I shouldn't care about resemblance.
Anyhow, one more portrait:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/dboro/fmlac9102_16b.jpg)
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Post by: britt.25 on April 20, 2007, 05:55:20 AM: Strange is that on the picture the "Habsburg lip" of Joseph is too much in opinion. He did not have it that much. It is well known (I know different descriptions of Joseph I in books) and it is always said that he was not that "Habsburg" and very different also in looks from his brother emperor Karl VI. He really did not have that Habsburg mouth like on the anonymous portrait (You see the difference very well on the other two posted portraits) After the long time of family marriages (Leopold had already lost two wives, who were closely related to him, when he married Eleonore from Pfalz Neuburg...) there was finally "new blood" in the family. But it´s strange, among the children of Leopold the Habsburg features- and lip is divided very differently. Leopold had it terribly to say the truth, but his son Joseph not that much. His face is also more long than on the portrait. It looks nice that piece of artwork, but no - or almost no- resemblance to the real Joseph! The rather "full" looking party around his chin does not resemble to the emperor´s as well, who was rather slight in his stature. That´s only my opinion. ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: gogm on July 04, 2007, 05:56:45 PM: Who is this lady, identified only as an archduchess. The print is so pale, I canot make out the inscription.

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/6074/2123609770094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2123609770094285158gSLSZc)
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Post by: grandduchessella on July 04, 2007, 07:21:53 PM: Some possibilities based on the age of the sitter of the period (maybe 1840s to 1860s?):

Maria Theresia (1845-1927); m.1865 Philipp, Duke of Württemberg
Mathilde (1849-1867)
Elisabeth (1831-1903) m. Karl Ferdinand of Austria
Clotilde of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1846-1927) m. AD Joseph Karl
Marie Henriette (1836-1902); m.King Léopold II
Adelheid (1822-1855); m. King Vittorio Emanuele II
Maria Theresia (1849-1919); m.King Ludwig III
Margaretha of Saxony (1840-1858); m. AD Karl Ludwig
Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1843-); m. AD Karl Ludwig
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Post by: Svetabel on July 05, 2007, 01:10:02 AM: That Archduchess is definitely Archduchess Marie Karoline (1825-1915), daughter of Archduke Karl, and spouse of Archduke Rainer (1827-1913). The picture is from Österreichische Nationalbibliothek.
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Post by: gogm on July 05, 2007, 12:07:24 PM: Thank you! ;D
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Post by: britt.25 on July 06, 2007, 05:36:09 AM: What a wonderful site, the portraits there are very nice. There are a lot of Habsburgs and others from different times!!! ;) Thanks for mentioning!
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Post by: britt.25 on July 24, 2007, 02:49:31 PM: There is a chapter on Ludwig Salvator in the book "Habsburgs vergessene Kinder" by Thea Leitner. Maybe anybody of you has read it. I did not read this chapter until now, even when I have the book.
It seems that he catched an illness, which let him look very bloated in the face during his last years, and let him suffer a lot. He was also engaged (?) or at last interested in Archduchess Mathilde, daughter of the famous Archduke Albrecht from the Habsburg Teschen line.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Adagietto on October 26, 2007, 07:25:54 AM: Please, am I correct in assuming that the inscription on this card is Romanian, and that Franz Ferdinand is standing with Carol I of Romania? And can you recognize anyone else? Thank you.

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/23419/2188076070100532270S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on October 26, 2007, 08:15:13 AM: Quote from: Adagietto on October 26, 2007, 07:25:54 AM
Please, am I correct in assuming that the inscription on this card is Romanian, and that Franz Ferdinand is standing with Carol I of Romania? And can you recognize anyone else? Thank you.

yes, Franz Ferdinand and King Carol I. The other men could be aide-de-camps.
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Post by: Adagietto on October 26, 2007, 08:31:03 AM: Thank you.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 01, 2008, 03:32:41 PM: Hello
I have find a very beautiful portrait of a lady identified as Maria Theresa of Austria and dated 1837.
Can anyone of you tell me who was the lady?

(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh282/queenberenice/MariaTeresaofAustria1837.jpg)
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Post by: Alixz on February 01, 2008, 09:46:56 PM: Maria Theresa Isabella of Austria b. 31 July 1816 d. 8 August 1867

Descendants (Inventory)Lineage Habsburg-Lorraine
Sex Female
Full name (at birth) Maria Theresa Isabella of Austria
Parents
♂ w Karl Ludwig Johann Josef Lorenz of Austria [Habsburg-Lorraine] b. 5 September 1771 d. 30 April 1847

♀ w Henrietta Alexandrine Frederika Wilhelmine of Nassau-Weilburg [Nassau-Weilburg] b. 30 October 1797 d. 29 December 1829

Events
31 July 1816 birth, Vienna, Austria

9 January 1837 marriage, ♂ w Ferdinando Carlo of the Two Sicilies [Two Sicilies] b. 12 January 1810 d. 22 May 1859

28 March 1841 child birth, Caserta, ♂ w Alfonso of the Two Sicilies [Two Sicilies] b. 28 March 1841 d. 26 May 1934

24 March 1843 child birth, Caserta, ♀ w Maria Annunziata Isabella Filomena Sabasia of the Two Sicilies [Two Sicilies] b. 24 March 1843 d. 4 May 1871

2 August 1849 child birth, Gaeta, ♀ w Maria Pia della Grazia of the Two Sicilies [Bourbon-Two Sicilies] b. 2 August 1849 d. 29 September 1882

8 August 1867 death, Albano
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Post by: Yseult on February 02, 2008, 04:29:28 AM: Thank you!
Do you know more portraits of the archduchess...? I think she´s a beauty...
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Post by: Alixz on February 02, 2008, 09:14:57 AM: Yseult:

You are quite welcome!

I think the portrait you have would be her marriage or engagement portrait as it was dated 1837.

I will look around and see what I can find.

Alixz
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Post by: gogm on February 02, 2008, 05:08:05 PM: Wikipedia has this about her:

(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/22513/2031541410094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2031541410094285158lYxPxf)

"Archduchess Maria Theresa (Isabella) of Austria (31 July 1816, Vienna – 8 August 1867, Albano) was the second Queen consort of Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies.

Family:

She was the eldest daughter of Archduke Charles, Duke of Teschen and Henrietta of Nassau-Weilburg.

Her paternal grandparents were Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor and Maria Louisa of Spain. Her maternal grandparents were Frederick William of Nassau-Weilburg (1768- 1816) and his wife Louise Isabelle of Kirchberg.

Frederick William was the eldest surviving son of Karl Christian of Nassau-Weilburg and Princess Wilhelmine Carolina of Orange-Nassau.

Wilhelmine Carolina was a daughter of William IV, Prince of Orange and Anne, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange. Anne was in turn the eldest daughter of George II of Great Britain and Caroline of Ansbach.

Marriage:

On 27 January 1837, Maria Theresa married Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies. The bride was almost twenty-one years old and the groom twenty-seven. They had twelve children together:

* Lodovico, Count of Trani (1838 – 1886). Married Mathilde Ludovika, Duchess in Bavaria, sister of Empress Elisabeth of Austria. Their only daughter, Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, married Prince Wilhelm of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
* Alberto, Count of Castrogiovanni (1839 – 1844).
* Alfonso, Count of Caserta (1841 – 1934). Married his first cousin Princess Antonietta of the Two Sicilies and has issue. The current lines of Bourbon-Sicily descend from him.
* Maria Annuziata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1843 – 1871). Married Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria.
* Maria Immacolata Clementina of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1844 – 1899). Married Archduke Karl Salvator of Tuscany.
* Prince Gaetano of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1846 – 1871). In 1868, he married Isabel, Infanta of Spain (eldest daughter of Queen Isabella II of Spain) and was created Infante of Spain.
* Giuseppe, Count of Lucera (1848 – 1851).
* Maria Pia of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1849 – 1882). Married Roberto I Duke of Parma and Piacenza.
* Vincenzo, Count of Melazzo (1851 – 1854)
* Pasquale, Count of Bari (1852 – 1904). Married morganatically to Blanche Marconnay.
* Maria Immacolata Luisa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1855 – 1874). Married Enrico Prince of Bourbon-Parma, Count di Bardi.
* Gennaro, Count of Caltagirone (1857 – 1867)."
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Post by: Yseult on February 02, 2008, 05:36:59 PM: Thank you, gogm!
What a lovely archduchess! I think she has a very pretty face. And I wonder if she had a happy life...
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Post by: Alixz on February 03, 2008, 06:53:04 PM: I wonder too, with 12 children she spent a lot of time pregnant. Actually 9 years of her marriage were spent being pregnant.
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Post by: Alixz on February 04, 2008, 06:29:21 PM: From the looks of her eyes and face, she may have had a stroke. It looks as though she lost some muscle control in her face.

But then the other pictures are of portraits and the artist may have made her look prettier than she was.

The last picture being a photograph could not hide anything. And after saying that, the older we get the softer the tissue around our eyes gets. That is why so many women opt for "eye surgery" to restore a look of youth.
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Post by: Mari on February 05, 2008, 03:32:37 AM: Actually although She doesn't look happy She is still nice looking for her age. I mean She's in her late 50's maybe and not smiling. But you can look at her small features and round eyes and tell She would have been very pretty. I think its just age and We're use to women wearing makeup and having Eye tucks today. Women didn't look young back then after their 20's according to some of the tin- o- types I've looked at and I've seen 100's.
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Post by: Marc on February 05, 2008, 07:23:03 AM: I think I saw this first portrait a while ago,but if I remember it is also said to be Maria Christina of Savoy,daughter of Maria Theresia and first wife of King Ferdinand II of Bourbon Two-Sicilies,but now I don't know what to think myself...
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Post by: Bourgogne on June 16, 2008, 11:11:01 AM: I've found this portrait under the name of 'Maria-Josepha'... I suppose it can be Maria-Josepha of Austria, electress of Saxony, but I don't really recognize her on this picture. I see the electoral hat on the table, but isn't she another princess of Saxony, of Bavaria, or...?
If somebody is sure of the identification on this portrait... Thank you!

(http://sitesweb.dnsalias.net/images/Sn/majo.jpg)
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Post by: britt.25 on June 17, 2008, 03:31:00 AM: Yes, I think you are right. This is the daughter of emperor Joseph I. (1678-1711) and Amalia Wilhelmine of Lüneburg (1673-1742). She lived from 1699-1757 and was married to Friedrich August II of Saxony and Poland, whom she had 15 children with. She is described as a very caring mother and very religious, too. She does not look alike on every picture, that's true. Like always it depends on the artist.
I must say from the face the Princess on the portrait does also look a bit like her niece, also called Maria Josepha, who was married to Joseph II. (who didn't love her at all and didn't care about her, and later her illness and death!), but I rather think this is the first possibility, which you already supposed.
Can you name me once again the page, where you found the picture? I remember that this is a fascinating page, but I have now forgotten the link...
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Post by: Marc on June 17, 2008, 06:48:39 AM: I am allmost sure that this is a portrait of Duchess Maria Josepha von Baden-Baden,born Princess of Bavaria...
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Post by: britt.25 on June 17, 2008, 07:00:21 AM: Can you name the dates of Maria Josepha of Baden? So nobody of the line of Joseph I.? For me she looks very similar to Josephs daughter Maria Josepha, but maybe I'm wrong....
Who was the mentioned Princess of Baden? Born? Death? Please give a link or a comparison picture. Thank you!
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Post by: Marc on June 17, 2008, 01:59:59 PM: She is a granddaughter of Emperor Joseph I through her mother Archduchess Maria Amalia...she lived from 1734-1776!
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Post by: gogm on June 17, 2008, 11:16:28 PM: I've got this on my Webshots albums so I'd like to see a truly positive ID too. I have this as Maria Josefa of Bavaria but the bio may be of another Maria Josefa. Some names and name couplings are heavily recycled. Maria Teresa in various spellings is probably the most heavily recycled, but Maria Josefa was recycled too. I got this from a German site so I believe the Bavarian connection is real, even if my bio is for the wrong one. :-\
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Post by: gogm on June 18, 2008, 01:36:17 PM: Here's a Wikipedia image for Maria Jpsepha von Bayern:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maria_Josepha_von_Bayern.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maria_Josepha_von_Bayern.jpg)

The parent article states:
"Maria Josepha (Marie Josephe Antonie Walburga Felicitas Regula, 20 March 1739 - 28 May 1767), Princess of Bavaria, was the daughter of Charles Albert, Elector of Bavaria and Maria Amalia of Austria. She was a member of the house of Wittelsbach.

Born on 30 March 1739 in Munich, Bavaria, on 23 January 1765, she married the widowed Joseph, King of the Romans, and heir of Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, in Schönbrunn Palace.

Upon her father-in-law's death on 18 August 1765, Maria Josepha became Empress consort of the Holy Roman Empire. Her mother-in-law, however, remained the most powerful and important figure in the Empire and at court in Vienna, and Maria Josepha's marriage to Joseph is said to have been an unhappy one. Maria Josepha died of smallpox on 28 May 1767, and was buried in the Capuchin monastery in Vienna."
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Post by: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 01:51:52 AM: I think there were confused two people now. You think of the one, who I mentioned as second possibility, the wife of emperor Joseph II., whom - as I said- was not loved very much by her husband.
Marc rather thinks that it is her sister, who married Ludwig Georg Simpert, margrave of Baden-Baden. Strange. I can't say it, because the faces of all those bavarian princesses descending from Joseph I. are too similar! However the genealogies rather call the Princess of Baden-Baden Maria Anna Josepha, so Josepha rather appears as third name. The Princess on this portrait rather carries the name Maria Josepha as first name...strange....

Marc, how do you know that it might be her? Do you have any comparison picture? I didn't find any....a pity. So she was also sister in-law
of Joseph II., if your statement is right!
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Post by: trentk80 on June 19, 2008, 02:23:04 AM: Quote from: Marc on June 17, 2008, 06:48:39 AM
I am allmost sure that this is a portrait of Duchess Maria Josepha von Baden-Baden,born Princess of Bavaria...

This princess is known as Maria Anna Josepha, not Maria Josepha.
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Post by: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 02:55:39 AM: Yes, as I said....I also found the name Maria Anna Josepha for princess of Baden and not Maria Josepha....therefore maybe it's rather her sister or aunt?!?
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Post by: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 02:57:17 AM: Can anybody name the website, where the portrait was found? I remember this wonderful site but have forgotten the link. I think the description was there!
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Post by: Marc on June 19, 2008, 06:24:15 AM: I am allmost sure that this is dughter of Maria Amalia who married into Baden-Baden family....there were a lot of portraits of her on the net...some I found in some auctions long time ago and I think that there is a site about Baden genealogy,I really don't know the exact adress but just try to google,I am sure that you can find something:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj1.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj11.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj12.jpg)
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Post by: gogm on June 19, 2008, 12:57:21 PM: This is what I have:

(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/18317/2363823620094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2363823620094285158ftOivg)

and

(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/16588/2286343030094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2286343030094285158oIMLPn)

I'm going to look to see where I found them...
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Post by: Bourgogne on June 19, 2008, 01:41:22 PM: Quote from: Marc on June 19, 2008, 06:24:15 AM
I am allmost sure that this is dughter of Maria Amalia who married into Baden-Baden family....there were a lot of portraits of her on the net...some I found in some auctions long time ago and I think that there is a site about Baden genealogy,I really don't know the exact adress but just try to google,I am sure that you can find something:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj1.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj11.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/mj12.jpg)

For me the question is resolved, thank you to all of you, but especially to you, Marc, who have the good answer - on my opinion, at least!

Look at this portrait of Maria-Anna, a few years before her death (around 1770-1772, after her hairstyle...). It's persuasive, isn't it?

The name "Marie-Josepha" was wrong... Thank you to all of you, one more time.

I will ask you another little enigma soon...

(http://sitesweb.dnsalias.net/images/Sn/mariaanna.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on June 19, 2008, 01:44:44 PM: No problem,I am glad we solved this problem...
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Post by: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 01:55:31 PM: Interesting..maybe the name under the picture was wrong. What makes be confused is that they all look so alike, all those sisters descending from Joseph I's two daughters...
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Post by: Bourgogne on June 19, 2008, 03:11:07 PM: Quote from: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 01:55:31 PM
Interesting..maybe the name under the picture was wrong. What makes be confused is that they all look so alike, all those sisters descending from Joseph I's two daughters...

Yes, princesses have all similar faces in this family!

Another example: look at these two portraits of the mother and the daughter, by Rosalba Carriera.

Impress Amalia-Wilhelmine of Brunswick-Lunebourg, Joseph I's wife :

(http://sitesweb.dnsalias.net/images/Sn/amaliawilhelmine.jpg)

Impress Maria-Amalia of Austria, Joseph I's daughter :

(http://sitesweb.dnsalias.net/images/Sn/mariaamalia.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on June 19, 2008, 06:16:38 PM: Quote from: britt.25 on June 19, 2008, 01:55:31 PM
Interesting..maybe the name under the picture was wrong. What makes be confused is that they all look so alike, all those sisters descending from Joseph I's two daughters...

Well,as her full name is Marie Anna Josepha Augusta,one of her names is Josepha so there can be a confusion...
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Post by: gogm on June 19, 2008, 06:36:46 PM: I believe I found my images at http://www.zi.fotothek.org/indexsuche/ (http://www.zi.fotothek.org/indexsuche/).

The link is not working on "Maria Anna" while it did not return the images I found against pink backgrounds for "Maria Josepha." It does return images against white/pale gray backgrounds of different images. There are many Maria Josephas.
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Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2008, 02:37:30 AM: Thank you, the site is very interesting and there are good pictures, but the descriptions are not always complete and it seems that confusions can happen easily.

For example I found a portrait there with the headline "Kaiserin Maria Amalia". In fact, if the empress is meant, the wife of emperor Joseph I. was called "Amalia Wilhelmine", and therfore the name is not correct like that. For me it appears that it is rather their daughter, because she looks like that, but then the lady cannot be an empress. It's strange...
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Post by: Bourgogne on June 20, 2008, 02:57:43 AM: Quote from: britt.25 on June 20, 2008, 02:37:30 AM
Thank you, the site is very interesting and there are good pictures, but the descriptions are not always complete and it seems that confusions can happen easily.

For example I found a portrait there with the headline "Kaiserin Maria Amalia". In fact, if the empress is meant, the wife of emperor Joseph I. was called "Amalia Wilhelmine", and therfore the name is not correct like that. For me it appears that it is rather their daughter, because she looks like that, but then the lady cannot be an empress. It's strange...

But of course, the lady can be an empress! The daughter of Joseph I. and Amalia Wilhelmine, Maria Amalia, was married to Charles-Albert of Bavaria, who was elected emperor under the name of 'Charles VII' 1742-1745...
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Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2008, 03:13:22 AM: Yes, you are right. I did not think at that moment. Charles VII was the only non-Habsburg emperor for a short time. Thank you for correcting!
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Post by: britt.25 on June 20, 2008, 03:28:16 AM: Here is the picture.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/FMLAC8979_31.jpg)

I think it's the same like this one:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/28419ccb.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/4d8dd80c.jpg)
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Post by: Bourgogne on June 20, 2008, 05:54:30 PM: Quote from: britt.25 on June 20, 2008, 03:13:22 AM
Yes, you are right. I did not think at that moment. Charles VII was the only non-Habsburg emperor for a short time. Thank you for correcting!

You're like impress Maria-Theresia, who never admitted Charles VII's election and never called him otherwise than "the elector of Bavaria"... ! For her, he never was emperor.
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Post by: britt.25 on June 21, 2008, 01:47:53 AM: I really had forgotten about that for a moment, it's strange that I always connect Bavaria with the expression "elector", not with emperor- as you said ;D Only later from the time of Napoleon on they became kings...but this was another line then.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2008, 09:55:25 PM: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Austria/archdcuehssmariatheresaia.jpg)

This is Archduchess Maria Theresia, but which one? there were like three living around the same time! looks 1800-40s???

who is her parents?
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Post by: Marc on July 19, 2008, 10:15:22 PM: I always thought that this archduchess belonged to the Teschen branch,but not sure...anyone?
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2008, 11:02:34 PM: I don't know, the archduchesses around 1800-40s, but the painted was titled "Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria" found two without the "i" in it :

Archduchess Maria Theresia Henriette Dorothee of Austria-Este (July 2, 1849 - February 3, 1919) later become Queen of Bavaria. (possily it the child in the painting).

Archduchess Maria Theresa Anna of Austria-Teschen (15 July 1845, Vienna - 8 October 1927, Tübingen) unmarried.

Archduchess Maria Theresa (Isabella) of Austria-Teschen (31 July 1816, Vienna – 8 August 1867, Albano) later Queen of Two Sicilies.
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Post by: britt.25 on July 20, 2008, 09:07:24 AM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on August 15, 2007, 07:54:30 AM
Quote from: synnadene on August 15, 2007, 07:32:49 AM
But as far as I know, there was at that time no members called Elisabeth in the Modena-Este branch.
My suggest is, that the cdv shows the Archduchess Adelgunde, but I'm not sure. Any ideas? ???

You are right. This is Archduchess Adelgunde, née Princess of Bavaria.

Maybe the seller thought of Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska (Hungarian branch) who was married to Adelgunde's brother-in-law Archduke Ferdinand Karl Victor (1821-1849). Their only child is Marie Therese, last Queen of Bavaria (1849-1919).

Maybe that it was the case, but Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska really looks totally different.....( So I think!)
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Post by: Stefan22 on July 20, 2008, 11:07:46 AM: Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2008, 11:02:34 PM
I don't know, the archduchesses around 1800-40s, but the painted was titled "Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria" found two without the "i" in it :

Archduchess Maria Theresia Henriette Dorothee of Austria-Este (July 2, 1849 - February 3, 1919) later become Queen of Bavaria. (possily it the child in the painting).

Archduchess Maria Theresa Anna of Austria-Teschen (15 July 1845, Vienna - 8 October 1927, Tübingen) unmarried.

Archduchess Maria Theresa (Isabella) of Austria-Teschen (31 July 1816, Vienna – 8 August 1867, Albano) later Queen of Two Sicilies.

The second you mention wasn't unmarried. She married in 1865 Duke Philipp of Württemberg, great-grandfather of the present Head of the Royal House, Duke Carl
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 20, 2008, 11:30:16 AM: Oh, ok, thanks for the info. :)
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Post by: britt.25 on July 20, 2008, 11:32:21 AM: It might be the mentioned Archduchess Maria Theresia Henriette Dorothee of Austria-Este:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Pf16292B1.jpg)

Here as a child (the eldest) with her half-siblings, and they look pretty similar I would say....

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Pf16292B12.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/Pf14717C27.jpg)

But yes, the picture does indeed look like from rather an earlier time, but perhaps it's just the style....

I would exclude the mentioned daughter of Archduke Albrecht, and also her aunt ,the daughter of Archduke Karl of Teschen, but I can also be wrong....!
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Post by: britt.25 on July 20, 2008, 11:35:01 AM: BW: She's indeed older here on the photos, but her young siblings look like her on the painting, I would say, the same longish forehead....
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 20, 2008, 12:22:44 PM: She looks really old in the last pic. :-\ how old she is in that pic?
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Post by: britt.25 on July 20, 2008, 12:59:02 PM: There's no date on the pic, but the eldest of her surviving half-siblings, Archduke Friedrich, was born in 1856, whereas she was born in 1849...so say the genealogies....so six/ seven years of age difference between her and her eldest half-sibling....

Here is a child picture of Archduke Karl of Teschen's and Henriette of Nassau's daughter Maria Theresia, and I wondered, if your painting could also be her...as children they often look too similar:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/PORT_00049976_01.jpg)

But I think, it's rather the other Archduchess I posted before....
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 20, 2008, 07:15:35 PM: I don't know, so am guessing the painting of Maria Theresia is

Archduchess Maria Theresia Henriette Dorothee of Austria-Este!

Thanks. :)
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Post by: britt.25 on July 21, 2008, 01:38:06 AM: I think so, too. The resemblance between your painting and Maria Theresia's siblings, who are at the same age on the photo, is striking. Can you tell us, where you found that picture....It's really nice!!!
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 21, 2008, 04:00:33 PM: Sure, click here (http://www.residenzgalerie.at/de/WE56_1.htm) it's by Moritz Michael Daffinger.
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Post by: britt.25 on July 21, 2008, 04:14:29 PM: Wonderful paintings...thanks for the link!
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 21, 2008, 05:46:12 PM: Your welcome! :)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 17, 2008, 03:03:40 AM: Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2008, 11:02:34 PM
I don't know, the archduchesses around 1800-40s, but the painted was titled "Archduchess Maria Theresia of Austria" found two without the "i" in it :

In fact there wasn't any Archduchess called "Maria Theresa". In Austria royals prefered "Maria Theresia" or "Marie Therese". The Queen of Naples was a "Maria Theresia" as well as her niece, the Duchess of Württemberg. The Queen of Bavaria was a "Marie Therese". Both Queens were called "Therese" by their family members.

*******

Moritz Michael Daffinger died in August 1849. That's why the little girl in the painting can't be Maria Theresia (later Queen of Bavaria). Some time ago, I found her identified as Maria Theresia (later Duchess of Württemberg).
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2008, 03:47:56 PM: Not to mention the Italian branch that used Maria Teresa....
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 19, 2008, 10:54:45 AM: Quote from: Eric_Lowe on August 17, 2008, 03:47:56 PM
Not to mention the Italian branch that used Maria Teresa....

Actually the name "Theresia" wasn't very pupular with the Italian branch. Maybe Leopold II.'s daughter (1836-1838) was called "Teresa", but as the Toscanas haven't lived in Italy since the early 1860s, they also used the German versions. Karl Salvator's eldest daughter was a Maria Theresia, too.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 16, 2008, 04:21:50 PM: Who is who? I can see Elisabeth and her mother Stephanie, Possibly Maria Josepha and her daughters and step-daughter- Amelia, Elisabeth, Sophie and Marie Gabrielle? who else?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Together/habsburg.jpg)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on October 16, 2008, 05:15:40 PM: Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 16, 2008, 04:21:50 PM
Who is who? I can see Elisabeth and her mother Stephanie, Possibly Maria Josepha and her daughters and step-daughter- Amelia, Elisabeth, Sophie and Marie Gabrielle? who else?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Together/habsburg.jpg)

front: unknown, Archduchess Marie Josepha with her little son Archduke Karl, (behind her) Archduchess Elisabeth Amalie, (on the floor) Archduchess Elisabeth Marie, Crownprincess Stéphanie, Duchess Marie José in Bavaria with her son Duke Franz Joseph, Duchess Sophie, Archduchess Marie Therese, Duke Ludwig Wilhelm, Archduchess Isabella (white dress) and one of her daughters (white dress, maybe Maria Henriette), Archduchess Maria Annunziata.
back: Archduke Carl Ludwig (black suit), Sophie Chotek (with hat) and Archduchess Margarethe Sophie (between Marie Therese and Isabella's little daughter).

The picture was taken in Meran, 1890.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 16, 2008, 05:21:29 PM: THANK YOU! :)
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 16, 2008, 07:08:11 PM: Who is Archduchess Elisabeth Amelie? who is her parents?
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Post by: Svetabel on October 17, 2008, 12:35:13 AM: Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 16, 2008, 07:08:11 PM
Who is Archduchess Elisabeth Amelie? who is her parents?

Archduke Karl Ludwig and Archduchess Marie Therese. Elisabeth Amalie was Furstin Lichtenstein by her marriage.
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Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on October 17, 2008, 03:27:53 PM: Thanks! :)
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Post by: REMI on December 18, 2008, 01:14:34 PM: (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/65296994.jpg)

I believe that the person on the left brhind Archduke Karl is don jaime de Bourbon, carlist claimant to the spanish throne and first cousin of Zita of Bourbon Parma.Who can confirm? thank you.

REMI
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Post by: Svetabel on December 19, 2008, 12:50:11 AM: Quote from: REMI on December 18, 2008, 01:14:34 PM

I believe that the person on the left brhind Archduke Karl is don jaime de Bourbon, carlist claimant to the spanish throne and first cousin of Zita of Bourbon Parma.Who can confirm? thank you.

REMI

Looks very much like him. He often was photographed in that hussar unifrom, and his features are very much like Infanta Alix and Beatrix,daughters of Don Carlos.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: REMI on December 19, 2008, 03:49:00 AM: Quote from: Svetabel on December 19, 2008, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: REMI on December 18, 2008, 01:14:34 PM

I believe that the person on the left behind Archduke Karl is don Jaime de Bourbon, carlist claimant to the spanish throne and first cousin of Zita of Bourbon Parma.Who can confirm? Thank you.

REMI

Looks very much like him. He often was photographed in that hussar unifrom, and his features are very much like Infanta Alix and Beatrix,daughters of Don Carlos.

(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm65/CHARLEMAGNE_2008/fccf2f61.jpg)

Thank you, Sveta... Don Jaime served in the Army of the Tsar.He was lieutenant colone lin the Guards Regiment of the Grodno Hussars. We can see he got several russian decorations.

REMI
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Post by: mardam on January 22, 2009, 07:24:47 AM: Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 19, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/MMPC/A%20Imperial%20Album/Austria/archdcuehssmariatheresaia.jpg)

This is Archduchess Maria Theresia, but which one? there were like three living around the same time! looks 1800-40s???

who is her parents?

This is Maria Theresia (1816-1867) of Habsburg-Teschen, later spouse of Ferdinand II of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.
Her parents are Karl Ludwig (1771-1847) and Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg (1797-1829)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on March 16, 2009, 06:40:58 PM: Another question in this topic:
Does anybody know who this lady is ?
I was given the identification of Grand duchess Constantine née Elizabeth of Saxe Altenburg but that can't be correct.
The photograph is by Victor Angerer, Wien ca. 1880's.

(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/saxe1.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 17, 2009, 02:22:29 PM: The cut of the dress suggested that she wasn't even a Russian Grand Duchess. The dress looks Hungarian in cut (like Sisi would wear), and tiara was not the Russian Fringe type. She could be Hungarian in the Austro-Hungarian court, as her features looked a bit dark.
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Post by: Svetabel on March 18, 2009, 04:59:20 AM: No a Russian Grand Duchess definitely. More likely some noble Hungarian girl/woman.
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Post by: gogm on April 14, 2009, 12:22:10 AM: Can anyone identify this sitter in a Winterhalter for sale at Boris Wilnitsky:

(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/42182/2446678280094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2446678280094285158vrLjpe)
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 14, 2009, 02:12:55 AM: Doesn't look like an archduchess ...
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Post by: Paola on April 14, 2009, 02:36:36 AM: Quote from: gogm on April 14, 2009, 12:22:10 AM
Can anyone identify this sitter in a Winterhalter for sale at Boris Wilnitsky:

(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/42182/2446678280094285158S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2446678280094285158vrLjpe)

She looks to me to be Queen Stephanie of Portugal, wife of King Pedro V
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on April 14, 2009, 06:36:40 AM: It really looks like Stefanie,although I would regard her as thinner than in this portrait...but I also think that this is someone somehow connected to the Bavarian family...
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Post by: MarieCharlotte on April 14, 2009, 07:10:10 AM: Quote from: Marc on April 14, 2009, 06:36:40 AM
It really looks like Stefanie,although I would regard her as thinner than in this portrait...but I also think that this is someone somehow connected to the Bavarian family...

No, she is not a member of the Bavarian royal family. I don't think that she's Stefanie of Portugal either.
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Post by: Paola on April 14, 2009, 07:25:56 AM: Iam inclined to believe it is Queen Estefania of Portugal. In this picture she wears what looks to be the same dress and pearl necklace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estaf%C3%A2nia_Hohenzollern_Sigmarigen.JPG
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Post by: CountessKate on April 14, 2009, 07:40:43 AM: I've seen it before and wondered if it was in fact Stephanie's siter, Marie Countess of Flanders. The resemblence to Stephanie is strong, but I thought her features were softer and she was the prettier of the two. Here is a picture of Marie - I don't have her in profile, unfortunately:

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/cfarnon/MarieH-S.jpg)
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Post by: Marc on April 14, 2009, 06:33:21 PM: Quote from: Paola on April 14, 2009, 07:25:56 AM
Iam inclined to believe it is Queen Estefania of Portugal. In this picture she wears what looks to be the same dress and pearl necklace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estaf%C3%A2nia_Hohenzollern_Sigmarigen.JPG

Yes,you are right,the dress is almost the same,if not...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 14, 2009, 11:21:59 AM: Agneschen, Sveta, REMI, synnadene ... and everyone else: I need your help!

Today I was looking for pictures of Archduke Friedrich's grandchildren. I found a very nice photograph whose caption says: "Friedrich's nine grandchildren. Preßburg (?), ca. 1915", but I wasn't able to identify the children.

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel02a.jpg)

For a bigger version, please click here: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel02.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel02.jpg)

Friedrich had the following grandchildren:

Salm-Salm:
- Isabelle (1903-2009)
- Rosemary (1904-2001)
- Nikolaus (1906-1988)
- Cäcilie (1911-1991)
- Franz (1912-1917)

Bourbon-Parma:
- Elisabeth (1904-1983)
- Carlo (1905-1912)
- Francesca (1906-1994)
- Roberto (1909-1974)
- Francesco (1913-1939)
- Giovanna (1916-1949)
- Alice (1917)
- Christina (1925)

Hohenlohe:
- Elisabeth (1909-1987)
- Natalie (1911-1989)
- Friedrich (1913-1945)

Archduchess Alice's children were born between 1921 and 1933, which means they can't be in the picture.

What I think is that the three tallest children are Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm-Salm. Maybe the two smallest are Cäcilie and Franz Salm-Salm. Franz died in 1917 which means that the picture must have been taken before 1917.
Besides, I think that the handsame young boy with dark curls doesn't fit into that group. Friedrich's grandchildren were all rather plain - just like their mothers.
What I also know is that Friedrich Hohenlohe is not in the picture. He had very fair curly hair.

Here is a picture of Albrecht and "his nieces and nephews". The caption doesn't identify the people, but I think they are the five Salm-Salm children - and again there is the dark-haired boy ...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/albrechtfranz_kinder01.jpg)

Thanks a lot in advance.

Marie
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on May 14, 2009, 12:43:22 PM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on May 14, 2009, 11:21:59 AM

Today I was looking for pictures of Archduke Friedrich's grandchildren. I found a very nice photograph whose caption says: "Friedrich's nine grandchildren. Preßburg (?), ca. 1915", but I wasn't able to identify the children.

Marie

The quick glance:

Well, the three tallest are the Salms - Isabella, Rosmarie, Nikolaus.... The little girl between 2 boys is more likely Elisabeth Hohenlohe (she doesn't resemble Francesca Parma)...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on May 16, 2009, 01:44:45 PM: I definitely stuck on that dark-haired boy! He indeed doesn't look like a child of any Friedrich's daughters..I even looked through the Croy genealogy in searching of "a suitable boy" but in vain. I'd say he has a Wittelsbach look but not quite though...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 16, 2009, 03:23:58 PM: Thanks, Sveta. So we have from left to right: Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm Salm, the mysterious boy, three unknown children, Elisabeth Hohenlohe and another unknown boy. Do you have any idea concerning these other "unknown" children?

The dark-haired boy seems to have spent a lot of time with Friedrich's grandchildren, but I also don't think that he is one of them. He resembles Prince Luitpold of Bavaria, but he isn't a Wittelsbach.

The little girl (fourth from right) looks quite pretty, a bit frail. Who could she be? Maybe one of the Parmas? I guess that the boys next to her are her brothers as they were the same shirts and shoes.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on May 24, 2009, 05:29:08 AM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on May 16, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
Thanks, Sveta. So we have from left to right: Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm Salm, the mysterious boy, three unknown children, Elisabeth Hohenlohe and another unknown boy. Do you have any idea concerning these other "unknown" children?

The dark-haired boy seems to have spent a lot of time with Friedrich's grandchildren, but I also don't think that he is one of them. He resembles Prince Luitpold of Bavaria, but he isn't a Wittelsbach.

The little girl (fourth from right) looks quite pretty, a bit frail. Who could she be? Maybe one of the Parmas? I guess that the boys next to her are her brothers as they were the same shirts and shoes.

After one more time staring at the photo I must agree with your first identification:

The tallest are the Salms.
Then dark-haired mysterious boy.
Then must be 3 Parma chidren as they resemble each other a lot and dress almost alike: but here's a question - the girl is definitely Francesca (Elisabeth had more round face), the younger boy is Roberto, and what about the elder - Carlo?? He died in 1912, your photo is about 1915. Could the photo be of 1912,f.e.? Unlikely, as the eldest Salms look like teenagers...
The youngest are the Salms - Cäcilie and Franz.

So - 3 questions : who's the dark-haired boy? who's the boy in front of him? and is 1915 the year of the picture?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 24, 2009, 07:27:21 AM: Hello Sveta,

first of all I'd like to thank you for spending so much time over my picture.
The captions in "Ein Photoalbum aus dem Hause Habsburgs" are empty, meaningless and full of mistakes. I guess the authors didn't know much about Friedrich's family, so they usually wrote "about" 1915 or 1910-15. So the picture we are talking about could have been taken some years earlier.

BUT: If the youngest children are Cäcilie and Franz, the picture must have been taken in about 1915, because Franz was born in 1912 and is about two or three years in the picture. This would mean, that Carlo (who died in 1912) can't be the boy next to Francesca. To sum up: Franz Salm-Salm and Carlo of Bourbon-Parma can't be in one and the same picture.

I guess the dark-haired boy doesn't belong to Friedrich's relatives. Maybe he was the son of some Hungarian count and friend of the family??

I have some other pictures of Friedrich's grandchildren:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel03.jpg)

The caption says: "Three of Friedrich's grandchildren, about 1910."

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel01.jpg)

"Friedrich with Elisabeth, Natalie and Friedrich Hohenlohe, 1916."

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/albrechtfranz_neffe01.jpg)

"Albrecht with one of his nephews (which one?), Vienna 1917-18."

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By the way: Do you have pictures of Maria Anna's children you are willing to share? I would love to see them. Especially Francesca seemed to have been a very cute little girl.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on May 24, 2009, 09:29:21 AM: I just found this picture of Elisabeth, Carlo and Francesca and now I have doubts about the identification of the little girl as Francesca. As you can see in this pic, Francesca has blonde hair, but the little girl in the group of Friedrich's grandchildren has dark hair ...

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/7f3/GrennderungFile0177.jpg)

Besides: If the little girl with that white flower (?) in her hair is Cäcilie, the other girl can't be Francesca, because Francesca was born 5 years earlier.

I think we are off the track ...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on May 26, 2009, 12:06:54 PM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on May 24, 2009, 07:27:21 AM

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By the way: Do you have pictures of Maria Anna's children you are willing to share? I would love to see them. Especially Francesca seemed to have been a very cute little girl.

These ones I've found after a quick search in my files:

Marianne with her eldest - Eilsabeth

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessMarianna_d-rElisabeth_1913.jpg)

Marianne with 4 of her children: Elisabeth, Francesca, Roberto and baby Francesco

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/PrincessMarianna_childrenElisabethM.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 07, 2009, 01:42:21 PM: While browsing the net I found a portrait of Theodor Axentowicz with the inscription:"Princess of Habsburg"...

Who could this be?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/212.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 08, 2009, 05:36:37 AM: Anyone with the suggestion?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: aor on October 08, 2009, 09:23:53 AM: If I had to go by hair and dress, I would think 1920-1930's era. I have no idea who this is, but maybe the timeframe helps you pinpoint.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 08, 2009, 11:47:38 AM: The painter lived from 1859-1938,so you might be right...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: aor on October 08, 2009, 12:42:15 PM: Marc, it also looks as if she is wearing a scarf around her head, but if this is after 1918, why would she be addressed as a Habsburg Princess.....or why would she not be addressed as Archduchess? Also, for some reason she strikes me as either French or Italian (fashion wise).
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 08, 2009, 12:58:49 PM: The caption was in Polish,so literally the translation is "Princess Habsburg",but sometimes the artists or the ones who posses those painting don't know the difference...so,it could be someone from the Habsburg family living there or had some connection with Poland or something like that since it is painted by a Polish painter...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 08, 2009, 01:45:19 PM: I dont know but i think this painting is from mids 1910s. Im just judging by her dress, her hairdo and the accesory she s wearing
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on October 08, 2009, 05:07:42 PM: Could it be Renata or Mechtildis?...they married Polish princes Radziwill and Czartoryski and around 1910 wold be in their 20ties..
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 12, 2009, 08:42:58 PM: Wel..someone in foros dinastia has posted this pictyure as Franz Karl, father of Franz Joseph I. I do not believe its him, what do you say?

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9254/franciscocarlos.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on November 13, 2009, 01:00:40 AM: It's hardly to be him. Father of Franz Joseph in a tavern with crummy walls? Even eccentric Archdukes didn't pose in such places. Though I think that's a staged photo, but anyway not of Archduke Franz Karl.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 13, 2009, 08:14:52 AM: i thought so, and this gent has clearly dark eyes (light colored eyes like habsburg ones looked clear in pictures) and its brunette, not like Franz Karl.

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: synnadene on November 23, 2009, 01:31:04 PM: Who could she be?

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/4127605384_be1895847f_b.jpg)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23912178@N08/4126832531/

I'll be very glad, if somebody could indentify this lady, possibly an austrian countess. Any ideas are welcome! Thanks
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 23, 2009, 04:31:15 PM: She looked a bit like Elvira of Bavaria...could be a relative of hers.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on November 24, 2009, 06:00:07 AM: Quote from: synnadene on November 23, 2009, 01:31:04 PM

Who could she be?

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/4127605384_be1895847f_b.jpg (http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/4127605384_be1895847f_b.jpg)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23912178@N08/4126832531/

I'll be very glad, if somebody could indentify this lady, possibly an austrian countess. Any ideas are welcome! Thanks

Actually she doesn't look like any Archduchess or Bavarian Princess. The style of the dress and hair-do are from 1877-1880 years.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:49:30 PM: Really ? She does look Austrian or Bavarian to me.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on November 25, 2009, 12:53:44 AM: Quote from: Eric_Lowe on November 24, 2009, 02:49:30 PM
Really ? She does look Austrian or Bavarian to me.

And who is she? Do a suggestion.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: aor on November 25, 2009, 08:28:14 AM: I am more inclined to think that if she is Royalty, I would look in the Saxe-Coburg direction. I do not know who she, but to me there are some resemblances to Crownprincess Stephanie and Louise. JMO..... :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 25, 2009, 09:07:14 AM: i think its just a lovely image of a women of the aristocracy . I love both pictures of her, Nice gowns!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on November 25, 2009, 02:36:03 PM: Quote from: Svetabel on November 24, 2009, 06:00:07 AM
Actually she doesn't look like any Archduchess or Bavarian Princess. The style of the dress and hair-do are from 1877-1880 years.

I absolutely agree with you.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on November 26, 2009, 10:58:10 AM: Is this Christina of spain?

(http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/NOV6_0090.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 26, 2009, 11:03:42 AM: yes she is ;-)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: synnadene on November 26, 2009, 04:34:40 PM: No, no, I'm sure she is NOT an Archduchess, and definitely not Marie Christine... she could be a countess, I think, and I hoped somebody knows her.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 26, 2009, 05:24:31 PM: She s Maria Christine, for sure. Look more pic of her in her younger days

With her brother Friedrich

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2lbjlox.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2cxcn0x.jpg)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/25iq5nn.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on November 26, 2009, 05:39:57 PM: I totally agree with Katy. The lady is Maria Christina.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on November 27, 2009, 01:11:23 AM: Quote from: synnadene on November 26, 2009, 04:34:40 PM

No, no, I'm sure she is NOT an Archduchess, and definitely not Marie Christine... she could be a countess, I think, and I hoped somebody knows her.

Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on November 26, 2009, 05:24:31 PM
She s Maria Christine, for sure. Look more pic of her in her younger days

Synnadene is talking about HER picture of an unknown lady posted previuosly this topic.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2009, 08:08:52 AM: Quote from: Rani on November 26, 2009, 10:58:10 AM
Is this Christina of spain?

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo319/DonaIsabella/NOV6_0090.jpg
Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on November 26, 2009, 11:03:42 AM
yes she is ;-)
Quote from: synnadene on November 26, 2009, 04:34:40 PM

No, no, I'm sure she is NOT an Archduchess, and definitely not Marie Christine... she could be a countess, I think, and I hoped somebody knows her.

So there was missed a quote from Synadenne cause we were talking about THAT picture, not the one she posted
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: synnadene on November 27, 2009, 09:23:25 AM: Sorry, the one posted by Rani is Marie Christine, but I talked about the image I've posted, as Svetabel said.. :-) I thought that the picture is an idea for the identification of mine.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2009, 11:24:12 AM: No worries ;-). The one you posted is way more beauty than M-christina anyway xDD
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Mari on December 13, 2009, 11:03:14 AM: Synnadene on your Hapsburg Princess could this be the same Woman?

Marie Christine Hapsburg- Teschen child of Frederich 1879-1962

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/hbl-teschen/1879%20M.Christina.jpg

the eyes with the slightly bushy brows and the shape of the chin and the nose all look the same to me only She is smiling in the above link
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 13, 2009, 03:02:37 PM: No cause the Woman of Synnadene `s picture is wearing fashion from late 1870s. So its imposible.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on December 28, 2009, 07:15:31 AM: Would you please have a look at this ebay auction? The CDV is supposed to show Archduchess Marie Valérie. It's not her, that's for sure. I'm quite convinced that she is neither a family member of the Habsburgs nor the Wittelsbachs.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Marie-Valerie-o-Austria-Franz-Joseph-I-Sisi-CDV_W0QQitemZ390134042447QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Photo_Images?hash=item5ad5cd0f4f (http://cgi.ebay.de/Marie-Valerie-o-Austria-Franz-Joseph-I-Sisi-CDV_W0QQitemZ390134042447QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Photo_Images?hash=item5ad5cd0f4f)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on December 28, 2009, 07:23:41 AM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on December 28, 2009, 07:15:31 AM
Would you please have a look at this ebay auction? The CDV is supposed to show Archduchess Marie Valérie. It's not her, that's for sure. I'm quite convinced that she is neither a family member of the Habsburgs nor the Wittelsbachs.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Marie-Valerie-o-Austria-Franz-Joseph-I-Sisi-CDV_W0QQitemZ390134042447QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Photo_Images?hash=item5ad5cd0f4f (http://cgi.ebay.de/Marie-Valerie-o-Austria-Franz-Joseph-I-Sisi-CDV_W0QQitemZ390134042447QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Photo_Images?hash=item5ad5cd0f4f)

Of course that's not Marie Valerie or any of the Habsburgs of the Wittelsbachs. Some noble girl more likely.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 10:54:17 AM: have you checked his/her auctions-? Mostly of them are mislabeled pictures of ordinary people passing as royals. I dont want to think wrong but this seeems to be or a VERY uninformed person or a fraudulent seller.

Sadly there s people who s actually bidding for those ones
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Elske on December 28, 2009, 11:57:25 AM: A few days ago I wrote to the seller that the girl on the CDV is not Marie Valerie and that there were more people who told the same.
He/she wrote that I was the only one who had written that it was not her and that some other people (the ones that made a bid) were very happy with such a a great find.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 28, 2009, 12:18:45 PM: Hmm. I sent her/him a mail too . So, its just another fraudulent seller on ebay making money of innocent people.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on December 28, 2009, 01:59:26 PM: (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/Wittelsbach/mariatheresia07.jpg)

Who is this?

It´s called Maria Theresia. But which?? Thanks!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on December 29, 2009, 02:05:18 AM: Quote from: Rani on December 28, 2009, 01:59:26 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/Wittelsbach/mariatheresia07.jpg)

Who is this?

It´s called Maria Theresia. But which?? Thanks!

Looks very much like Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Albrecht and wife of Duke Philipp of Wurttemberg.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 29, 2009, 09:40:32 AM: Yup! it looks like her

(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/habsburg/hbl-teschen/1845%20M.Theresia.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on December 29, 2009, 01:39:25 PM: Quote from: Svetabel on December 29, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: Rani on December 28, 2009, 01:59:26 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/palethingirl/Wittelsbach/mariatheresia07.jpg)

Who is this?

It´s called Maria Theresia. But which?? Thanks!

Looks very much like Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Albrecht and wife of Duke Philipp of Wurttemberg.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 02:07:51 PM: where did you find this photo ? Ebay ?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on December 29, 2009, 02:11:51 PM: Quote from: Eric_Lowe on December 29, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
where did you find this photo ? Ebay ?

I found it in an old photobucket account of me.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Princess Susan on January 04, 2010, 05:04:44 AM: (http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq329/lea81z/Josef_Kriehuber_Kinder1836.jpg)

The author of the painting is Josef Kriehuber. It's dated 1836. Could anybody identify children on picture? I am not sure whether they are habsburgs. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Princess Susan on January 05, 2010, 03:53:04 AM: Yes, it's likely they are Habsburgs, but who they are exactly? Any idea?? :(
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: beladona on January 05, 2010, 03:51:33 PM: If they are Habsburgs (but I am not sure), it could be only the younger children of Archduke Karl Habsburg-Teschen, no other Habsburg children pass to the year 1836. Are there any pictures of Karl´s children to compare?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 06, 2010, 06:02:29 PM: Quote from: beladona on January 05, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
If they are Habsburgs (but I am not sure), it could be only the younger children of Archduke Karl Habsburg-Teschen, no other Habsburg children pass to the year 1836. Are there any pictures of Karl´s children to compare?

Well, there is actually a well-known portrait of Karl and his children, but I couldn'f find it online.

Anyway, I don't think that these children are the younger ones of Archduke Karl. In the pic we can see two little girls, but Karl had only two daughters, Therese (born 1816) and Marie Caroline (born 1825). In 1836 even Marie would have been too old to be one of them.

Fendi also did a beautiful painting showing all of Queen Caroline of Bavaria's grandchildren. Maybe "our" picture doesn't show siblings, but cousins ... Nevertheless, I am not sure if these children are Habsburgs at all. They could be the children of any noble Austrian family.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 15, 2010, 08:11:02 AM: Hello!
This is a cabinet for sale on ebay, with ID: Maria Theresa of Braganza archduchess of Austria. Dear Katenka (Fyodorovna) thinks she´s not Maria Theresa. I was sure she was Maria Theresa or maybe one of her sisters -a see a strong resemblance. Maybe anyone could help...
;)

(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/wennichtanzenwill/ADMariaTheresia.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 08:18:47 AM: Quote from: Yseult on February 15, 2010, 08:11:02 AM
Hello!
This is a cabinet for sale on ebay, with ID: Maria Theresa of Braganza archduchess of Austria. Dear Katenka (Fyodorovna) thinks she´s not Maria Theresa. I was sure she was Maria Theresa or maybe one of her sisters -a see a strong resemblance. Maybe anyone could help...
;)

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/wennichtanzenwill/ADMariaTheresia.jpg (http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/wennichtanzenwill/ADMariaTheresia.jpg)

I asked this Maria and she said it is Maria Theresia. And that she had a photo from the same session.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2ivk9c9.jpg) (http://i50.tinypic.com/2v8sao8.jpg)

After I looked at the mouth and the ears, I would say she is it , too.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 15, 2010, 08:25:02 AM: Thanks, Rani. I really believe she´s Maria Theresa, but she could be also one of her sisters. Maria das Neves had a very strong resemblance to Maria Theresa...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on February 15, 2010, 08:35:13 AM: For me that young girl she looks like Luisa von Thurn und Taxis, spouse of Friedrich Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.

P.S. One more time -PLEASE, don't quote large photos!!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 15, 2010, 08:39:36 AM: It's Marie Therese, Karl Ludwig's third wife. I have another photo of this sitting. Maybe I have enough time to post it later.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 09:04:52 AM: Please do it., Cause she doesnt look at all like Maria Therese, First, different look in her eyes, her mouth and softer features, M theresa had also thicker eyebrows and etc etc.

Im with Svetabel , the lady had an strong "thurn und taxis" look.

Louise

(http://i50.tinypic.com/1zmnwja.jpg)

"Mistery lady"

(http://i50.tinypic.com/339nfdl.jpg)

Herea picture of M. Theresa circa the same date of our "mistery lady" photo. Look carefully to the features of her face. They re totally different (and note that bith are posing showing the "profile" )

(http://i45.tinypic.com/28u318z.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 09:06:21 AM: Quote from: Yseult on February 15, 2010, 08:25:02 AM
Thanks, Rani. I really believe she´s Maria Theresa, but she could be also one of her sisters. Maria das Neves had a very strong resemblance to Maria Theresa...

Now I´m confused!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/s12jk2.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 09:35:27 AM: One thing is for sure, its not Maria Theresa. I dont know..now looking pictures of Maria das neves, it could be her too
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 15, 2010, 11:22:10 AM: I still think it's an early photograph of Marie Therese. Here is another one of Marie Therese aged 21 with her new born daughter Maria Annunziata ... If it's not her, the lady could be one of her sisters, too - except for Marie José who looked differently.

(http://home.arcor.de/ciolla/marietherese_miana01.jpg)

By the way, Katenka_Fyodorovna, the other picture of Marie Therese you posted shows the archduchess in her late twenties. So it doesn't make sense to compare these pictures at all. The Thurn und Taxis theory is nonsense if you ask me.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 11:43:17 AM: I still believe its NOT marie Therese. Well.... here other pictures of her a a young woman and you can see both women are way different, Maybe there s a "soft" resemblance, but defo, its NOT her.

Here in the engagement picture.1873 with 19 years old. I dont see much difference between the picture i posted of her in her late twenties with this one. Still...i cant see resemblance between the real M. Theresa and the other lady

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2dt9hkh.jpg)

The picture of ther "mistery lady" is circa 1877-1879 according her dress so if its Therena (i highly doubt it) she would have 22-24 yrs old and noticing that there s not much difference between the two pictures i posted of her, there s no doubt that the other lady isnt her.

Another hint...what about where the picture was taken?. Baden . Could it be just an ordinary women with a wrong "label"?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 11:55:29 AM: On the card you can read Hofphotograph, court photograph.

So, I think it is a Braganza princess, but which. I thought first it is Elisabeth Thurn und Taxis or her daughter Maria Theresia, whose husbands name was Karl Ludwig. On ebay is the back of the photo: Maria Theresa Braganza married to Karl Ludwig Erzherzog von Österreich. Maybe it´s wrong and its Karl Ludwig Thurn und Taxis???
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 15, 2010, 11:58:18 AM: Katenka, Baden-Baden was one of the most famous resorts of these times. I´m pretty sure almost all the royals were more than twice spending some weeks in Baden-Baden ;)

I don´t think she´s an ordinary woman and I can see the Braganza features. My first impression was she was Maria Theresa. If not, I suppose she can be Maria das Neves. But I believe she´s one of the Braganza sisters, not an ordinary woman with a beautiful dress ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 12:07:30 PM: The Maria Theresa you re talking about was born in 1881 so it cant be =(.

Im just looking the reverse of the picture but that doesnt say anything. I can buy a card of Napoleon III and write behind its Vittorio Emanuele II .

About the "court photography" stuff, they only took pictures of archduchess, duchess and royals?. Maybe this woman was part of the aristocracy or a noble family?

Thanks for the info about baden-baden. Now it could be nice to have info if MAria Theresa and her sisters were frecuent visitors of that spa town
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on February 15, 2010, 12:12:40 PM: (http://i49.tinypic.com/28a5btu.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 15, 2010, 12:36:48 PM: Thats Maria Das neves?. Weel..between those two ladies are more resemblance than the mystery lady and M Theresa.- Here another picture, not profile of Maria das neves. Here i can see no resemblance at all

(http://i46.tinypic.com/xe2bg2.jpg)

Maybe we re just turning round and tround and this is just a noble lady who went to baden baden and someone confused her with Archduchess Maria Theresa. This always happens on ebay.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on February 15, 2010, 11:33:33 PM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on February 15, 2010, 08:39:36 AM
It's Marie Therese, Karl Ludwig's third wife. I have another photo of this sitting. Maybe I have enough time to post it later.

Please post the photo from the same sitting if you have. I really don't see any resemblance to Maria Theresa or any of her sisters. My 1st impression was Luisa von Thurn und Taxis, photo of 1877-1878 years, but it's not for sure.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 16, 2010, 08:10:57 AM: I can't post it, because the photo I was thinking of is part of a private collection. I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 16, 2010, 08:25:50 AM: Not even just the face or part of the dress?. Again, im with Svetabel, No resemblance at all between the real archduchess and this lady.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on February 16, 2010, 10:59:52 AM: Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on February 16, 2010, 08:25:50 AM
Not even just the face or part of the dress? Again, im with Svetabel, No resemblance at all between the real archduchess and this lady.

I'm sorry. When I wrote that I was in possession of another photo of this sitting, I didn't remember that it was one of the photos I got from a friend's collection. She doesn't want me to publish it, because she also thinks that it's a rare one of young Marie Therese.

I am not absolutely sure anymore, but I still think she's Marie Therese or at least one of her sisters.

Again, I can't imagine her to be one of the Thurn und Taxis girls.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 16, 2010, 11:02:52 AM: if she s not une of the TUT at least has more resemblance than the Braganza girls. I ve seen Hi res version of pictures of all the sisters and no one resembles her.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 16, 2010, 12:55:47 PM: Quote from: MarieCharlotte on February 16, 2010, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on February 16, 2010, 08:25:50 AM
Not even just the face or part of the dress? Again, im with Svetabel, No resemblance at all between the real archduchess and this lady.

I'm sorry. When I wrote that I was in possession of another photo of this sitting, I didn't remember that it was one of the photos I got from a friend's collection. She doesn't want me to publish it, because she also thinks that it's a rare one of young Marie Therese.

I am not absolutely sure anymore, but I still think she's Marie Therese or at least one of her sisters.

Again, I can't imagine her to be one of the Thurn und Taxis girls.

Don´t worry, Marie ;) I understand your point about the picture from your friend´s collection.

I usually think Katenka has a very good eye to recognize wrong labeled pictures. But this time...I still believe she´s Maria Theresa or one of her sisters, too ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 16, 2010, 01:19:52 PM: its not only me, its also Svetabel whos an ace to identifying pictures.

Here anither picture from the ONB circa the same period of the "mystery" picture.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/qyv7s2.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/11awjk9.jpg)

Come on!! Check the eyebrows, the eyes the shape of the face!

Plus, another buncvh from the ONB (sorry,. there is the only place where i found hig res version to compare)

MAria Jose, Adelgunde and Maria Theresa

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2rgmj5s.jpg)

Maria Das neves

(http://i45.tinypic.com/33oo8r6.jpg)

Now again a huge close up of the mislabeled women

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2els291.jpg)

And now...compare.

What i think after seeing lots and lots oif pictures, this lady its nothing but a noble women who someone confused with Archduchess M Theresa because they have a "soft" resemblance.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Yseult on February 16, 2010, 01:53:19 PM: I´m not convinced, Katy, although I know you´re an ace...and also Sveta, by the way ;) You see a soft resemblance, but I still think the lady has the Braganza´s features. Maybe my eyes are seeing what I want to see: to be honest, you know Maria Theresa in one of my great favourites ever!!;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 16, 2010, 02:36:51 PM: its a cute pic, whoever this lady is, so i cant blame you! ;-)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: grandduchessella on February 16, 2010, 06:53:42 PM: This seller is really reliable--not one of those who pounces on any image and labels it a royal. They always have good royal cards and never mind some questioning about their IDs. The back inscription, which looks to be contemporary to the time, says Maria Theresa Braganza and notes Karl Ludwig Osterreich as well. The photographer was frequented by Mathilde Trani and family as well as Grand Duke Michael N and Princess Marie of Baden. This isn't drawing any conclusions on my part as this family isn't one that I've studied well. Still, there is something there. I do feel she's a member of one of the royal families. It's like she's almost Maria Theresa or she's almost someone else but not quite.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: THERRY on February 17, 2010, 02:52:20 AM: I think that the mysterious woman seems a lot to Maria Das Nevas sister of M. Teresia Braganza. Look at theese photos
(http://i47.tinypic.com/33fdjsm.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/21kkpch.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on February 17, 2010, 08:07:35 AM: No, its not. Check other pictures of Maria Das neves and you realize it isnt her.

GDella, i agree with you that this seller is a super reliable source but not free of mistakes. As i said before he had a picture of Vittorio Emanuelle II as Napoleon III and i sent him a mail telling that he was mistaken. He change the subject and he thought it was Napoleon III just because an inscription behind, just like it happened with this picture.

People back in those times, even with little info avalaible about those royals would confuse easily and mislabeled pics.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: erzsi on August 26, 2010, 02:22:13 PM: Hi^^

Can anyone tell me, which Aduchess Elisabeth is on the picture?
I think it´s Elisabeth Charlotte (1922-1997) youngest daughter of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita, but I´m not sure.

(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq191/erzsi86/41201_153629061319422_100000169876047_496121_6373687_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on August 26, 2010, 10:39:32 PM: Quote from: erzsi on August 26, 2010, 02:22:13 PM
I think it´s Elisabeth Charlotte (1922-1997) youngest daughter of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita, but I´m not sure.

You're right. :-)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: erzsi on August 27, 2010, 01:10:25 PM: Thanks MarieCharlotte! ^^
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on October 11, 2010, 05:08:01 PM: http://www.lot-tissimo.com/de/cmd/d/o/263.9-217/auk/9/p/28/

Kaiserin Marianne von Österreich? ??
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on October 12, 2010, 07:10:47 AM: The problem is off. It´s Maria Anne

lol
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on January 26, 2011, 09:25:40 AM: Here are some pictures of Beladona...she is interested in anyone can help her identifying persons in the pictures...First,a picture of Countess Hoyos with Archduchess Margarethe...which Countess Hoyos is this?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/EhMargHoyos.jpg)

Beladona found this picture in some album of the Habsburgs...For me it is Archduchess Klothilde,so if I am wrong,correct me,thanks!

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on January 26, 2011, 11:57:08 AM: For me the last one looks like Klothilde's sister Amalie...

Nice pictures BTW
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 26, 2011, 12:07:44 PM: Good god, the last lady looks like Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria in costume!!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: beladona on January 26, 2011, 02:08:18 PM: Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on January 26, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
Good god, the last lady looks like Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria in costume!!

That´s my idea too! And many thanks Marc, for the posting...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 26, 2011, 03:06:11 PM: That would be so great!! *0*

I noticed that the "lady" doesnt have "her" ears pierced so it could be Ferdinand. Awesome!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on January 26, 2011, 05:26:56 PM: God...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: REMI on January 27, 2011, 07:52:00 AM: Ferdinand loved to dress up as women

REMI
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on January 27, 2011, 08:10:23 AM: Incredible - fantastic! Reminds me of "Miss Roberta Williams " in "Little Britain"! (Youtube: Robbie Williams: I'm a lady!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwC7ph9FD54&feature=related)

And most interesting that it seems to have been taken by a k.k. Hoffotografin - female court photographer. Is it a fake alias to make it obvious that this is a very non-official photo portraying an upside-down carnevalesque world or was she real and perhaps more "understanding" of certain eccentricities?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on January 27, 2011, 11:40:02 AM: Photographer Rosa Jenik was real, not an alias. She was active in Vienna from 1865 to 1900 aproximately.

If it's really Ferdinand as a drag queen, then that picture is really awesome!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on January 27, 2011, 12:05:37 PM: Quote from: Veronica on January 27, 2011, 11:40:02 AM
Photographer Rosa Jenik was real, not an alias. She was active in Vienna from 1865 to 1900 aproximately.

If it's really Ferdinand as a drag queen, then that picture is really awesome!

I tend to think that's him - resemblance is stunning.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: MarieCharlotte on January 31, 2011, 04:12:18 PM: Quote from: Marc on January 26, 2011, 09:25:40 AM
Here are some pictures of Beladona...she is interested in anyone can help her identifying persons in the pictures...First,a picture of Countess Hoyos with Archduchess Margarethe...which Countess Hoyos is this?

This young lady is Ida Countess Hoyos, Freiin von Sprinzenstein (1870-1946), daughter of Ernst Hoyos (1830-1903) and wife of Karl IV. zu Schwarzenberg.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on February 23, 2011, 12:34:16 PM: Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on January 26, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
Good god, the last lady looks like Tsar Ferdinand of Bulgaria in costume!!

LOL!! Omg.........

Quote
And most interesting that it seems to have been taken by a k.k. Hoffotografin - female court photographer.
Well, she was not the only female photographer. There were a few real good ones. Think of Adèle aka Adèle Perlmutter. She was very famous.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Princess Susan on March 05, 2011, 05:45:19 PM: Quote from: Marc on January 26, 2011, 09:25:40 AM
Here are some pictures of Beladona...she is interested in anyone can help her identifying persons in the pictures...First,a picture of Countess Hoyos with Archduchess Margarethe...which Countess Hoyos is this?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/EhMargHoyos.jpg)

Beladona found this picture in some album of the Habsburgs...For me it is Archduchess Klothilde,so if I am wrong,correct me,thanks!

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/who-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Princess Susan on March 05, 2011, 05:49:37 PM: Oh my godness! The Lady realy looks like female version of the King Ferdinand of Bulgaria! :) :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on March 05, 2011, 10:53:08 PM: Quote from: Princess Susan on March 05, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Oh my godness! The Lady realy looks like female version of the King Ferdinand of Bulgaria! :) :)

Now I am almost sure that's Ferdinand in a female costume. Look at his sideburns seen from under the wig.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on March 06, 2011, 06:44:28 PM: so basically King Ferdinand was a drag Queen.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Chablais on March 07, 2011, 02:56:24 AM: Quote from: amedeo on August 31, 2005, 06:15:48 AM

Mafalda and Philip von Hessen's wedding photo with the family

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/filippo_2/RACCONIGI/ALBUM/e49f5ea7.jpg)

In this beautiful photo, the third man from right is identified as an archduke of Austria as well as the sixth and the twelth persons from right are identified as archducesses of Austria. Can anybody identify which archdukes are they?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: synnadene on July 01, 2011, 02:42:25 AM: I'm not sure about the identification so I would like to hear your opinion about this lady- who is she?
(photo: Winter, Prag)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/IMG_NEW.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on July 01, 2011, 04:24:03 AM: Quote from: synnadene on July 01, 2011, 02:42:25 AM

I'm not sure about the identification so I would like to hear your opinion about this lady- who is she?
(photo: Winter, Prag)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/IMG_NEW.jpg)

Archduchess Maria Immaculata, spouse of Archduke Karl Salvator.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: synnadene on July 01, 2011, 05:24:27 AM: I thought it was Immaculata, thanks for your help. :)

here is the whole picture:

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/jewels_syn/IMG_NEW-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on July 01, 2011, 04:51:40 PM: Yes, she has that distinctive face with almost no eyebrows...

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 02, 2011, 10:32:25 AM: Beladona sent me this picture to post here,labeled as Maria Annunziata,but she is not 100 % sure that it's not in fact some of her sisters.I think it might be her.Any thoughts?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/Annunc.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on August 02, 2011, 12:11:50 PM: I think that is Maria Annunziata indeed.

Gorgeous photo by the way!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on August 02, 2011, 12:30:04 PM: Yes, that's Annunziata.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 10, 2011, 05:05:18 AM: A wonderful picture of her. I have never seen it before. Thanks for sharing. MA seemed to be a tall woman. At least she looks tall on most of the photos I've seen.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 10, 2011, 09:08:43 AM: If the label is correct...Which Maria Teresa?

http://cgi.ebay.pl/Malarz-nieznany-Portret-Marii-Teresy-Habsburg-ok-1910-/190547460818
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 12, 2011, 04:58:27 PM: Maybe Archduchess Maria Theresa of Austria (1845–1927), the daughter of Archduke Albert, Duke of Teschen and Princess Hildegard of Bavaria?

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/MariaTheresia2.jpg)

(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/zukunftsseele/Maria_Teresa_de_ustria-Teschen3.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 12, 2011, 06:37:56 PM: its maria theresa
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on August 12, 2011, 11:39:18 PM: Quote from: Marc on August 10, 2011, 09:08:43 AM
If the label is correct...Which Maria Teresa?

http://cgi.ebay.pl/Malarz-nieznany-Portret-Marii-Teresy-Habsburg-ok-1910-/190547460818

She doesn't look like any of Maria Theresas from the Habsburg clan.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 13, 2011, 12:57:29 AM: ops i confused with the images that Zukuntfsseele posted.

I think like Svetabel, i dont think its a Habsburg archduchess. This must be another case of unintentional (or intentional) mislabeled image
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 13, 2011, 05:03:21 AM: Would be interesting to ask the seller how he / she got the idea or knows that it's a Habsburg Archduchess. ;D
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 13, 2011, 10:11:23 AM: sometimes they just invent a royal procedence to got more money from the item. Its seems thats a common practice on ebay....
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Rani on August 13, 2011, 11:50:41 AM: She reminds me a little bit of Archduchess Isabella

http://www.tias.com/stores/friedrich/pictures/col-6152a.jpg
http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/69/Elisabeth_Franziska_Austria_1831_1903_family.jpg
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 13, 2011, 12:11:55 PM: Quote from: Carolath Habsburg on August 13, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
sometimes they just invent a royal procedence to got more money from the item. Its seems thats a common practice on ebay....

Yes, sad but true. And unfortunately a lot of people get cheated and buy those items. That's why I usually tell fellow collectors to ask for a second opinion before buying something they are not sure of. In a forum, for example.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 13, 2011, 09:41:59 PM: Maria Theresia in question had grey hair when she aged and on this pic she would have to be 65 years old and the woman in the portrait doesn't look like a 65 year old...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on August 14, 2011, 05:02:23 AM: It's probably no Habsburg member at all.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on November 02, 2011, 04:54:52 AM: Hello,
Mostly I'm able to find confirmation in books or reliable sites about the identity of a sitter but I'm having problems with this one ....
I believe it's the Erzherzogin Gisela in early youth.
Does anybody know where I can confirm this ? (book or reliable website ?)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv214-11.jpg)

Thank you for your help !

Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on November 02, 2011, 04:57:05 AM: Hello,
Sorry for asking the same question in the Elisabeth part IV section as well - overlooked this topic.

So again my question:
Mostly I'm able to find confirmation in books or reliable sites about the identity of a sitter but I'm having problems with this one ....
I believe it's the Empress Elisabeth but possibly it's her sister Marie Sophie.
Does anybody know where I can confirm this ? (book or reliable website ?)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv21-11.jpg)

Thank you for your help !

Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on November 02, 2011, 05:19:07 AM: Hi Jan

Why do you believe that's the Empress? I ask as the sitter doesn't resemble Elisabeth or her sisters. What's a source of the photo? (if it's not a secret).
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on November 02, 2011, 06:34:23 AM: Hello,

It came with other photos on the Habsburgs.
I have found one or two photos of Elisabeth or Marie Sophia where she looks quite the same but which were not convincing me.

It is -by the way- a cdv by Adolf Ost, Wien.

Ofcourse it's possible it got mixed up with the Habsburg cdv's by mistake !

Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 02, 2011, 07:35:02 AM: Quote from: jan van der wal on November 02, 2011, 04:54:52 AM
Hello,
Mostly I'm able to find confirmation in books or reliable sites about the identity of a sitter but I'm having problems with this one ....
I believe it's the Erzherzogin Gisela in early youth.
Does anybody know where I can confirm this ? (book or reliable website ?)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv214-11.jpg)

Thank you for your help !

Jan

Hi Jan!!

This is Pss Charlotte of prussia, daughter of Friedrich III and sister of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Im 100% sure
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on November 11, 2011, 05:26:19 PM: It's such a sweet picture. :)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on December 10, 2011, 09:22:11 PM: Title says:"Unknown member of the Habsburg family" in the uniform of Lieutenant,second half of 19th century?Located in Stift Wilten,if that helps...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/auersperg21/archd.jpg)

Anyone's guess who could it be?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Bourgogne on January 25, 2012, 09:13:03 PM: Quote from: Marc on December 10, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Title says:"Unknown member of the Habsburg family" in the uniform of Lieutenant,second half of 19th century?Located in Stift Wilten,if that helps...

Anyone's guess who could it be?

LOL.... I knew this portrait and it was also a big question for me... Finally I think it could be Karl-Ludwig, 20 y.o., around 1850-55...

(http://www.altesses.eu/Sn/karllud.jpg)

And as well as the (in a way) similarity of the faces, there is another factor : Karl-Ludwig was in his youth (1855-1861) governor of Tirol, and Wilten, where this portrait is located, is in Tirol...

Then... Not 100% sure, of course... But for me it's Karl-Ludwig...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on January 25, 2012, 09:44:26 PM: Thank you for your reply,but the Karl Ludwig seems to be blond on this picture and there is a similar portrait of some other member of the Habsburg family(don't remember the name now),but belonging to some other branch,so i thought that maybe those 2 portraits are connected,maybe brothers as it seems to be by the same painter...

But still,don't know!Not smart enough,I guess ;)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Bourgogne on January 26, 2012, 12:49:00 PM: It's true that KL's hair seems to be more blond, that's why I have doubts on this identification.

And this "19th century Habsburg type" is so strong, especially when they are young, that it's sometimes difficult to recognize somebody between all these guys with this long face, domed forehead, big lips...

If not KL, I think it's a member of the branch of Toscany...

(But look how Maria-Annunziata, KL's daughter, has got a striking ressemblance with your portrait... Even if it doesn't mean anything, as I said, all the Habsburgs had this face...)

(http://www.heinz-wember.de/gen/oesterreich/pics/MariaAnnunziata.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on January 26, 2012, 08:20:58 PM: Of course it does,I agree with you on almost every conclusion,but there were so many of them that nobody can guess with certainty...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on March 04, 2012, 07:34:43 AM: Hello,
Another puzzle.
I'm trying to find out who the two women in the photograph are.
It looks to me that the standing woman is Marie Caroline von Osterreich (1825-1915).
But the seated woman .... Have compared her with members of the Royal family of the II Sicilies but have not found a good match yet.
Don't let you lead by the possible identification of the standing woman - I can be totally wrong !!
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~eastwin/cdv41-alexanderpalace.jpg)

Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on March 04, 2012, 10:02:33 AM: The standing woman is indeed Marie Caroline. The sitting is Queen Maria Teresa of the 2 Sicilies, widow of Ferdinando II.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: jalm on March 04, 2012, 05:20:44 PM: Quote from: Svetabel on March 04, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
The standing woman is indeed Marie Caroline. The sitting is Queen Maria Teresa of the 2 Sicilies, widow of Ferdinando II.
Thanks !!
I actually just came across a website with photographs of the family of Ferdinando II and Maria Teresa. It was in French and that was probably the reason why I did not came across it earlier - using words like Queen ....
So I just came to the same conclusion as you did.
Thanks very much for your help !!
Jan
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Veronica on March 04, 2012, 05:44:02 PM: That's a great photo jalm. Though they were sisters I can't see any resemblance between them.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Zukunftsseele on April 04, 2012, 04:40:30 AM: Quote from: jalm on November 02, 2011, 06:34:23 AM
Hello,

It came with other photos on the Habsburgs.
I have found one or two photos of Elisabeth or Marie Sophia where she looks quite the same but which were not convincing me.

It is -by the way- a cdv by Adolf Ost, Wien.

Ofcourse it's possible it got mixed up with the Habsburg cdv's by mistake !

Jan

This is neither Elisabeth nor one of her sisters. And they never went to Adolf Ost's studio.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: russell on July 21, 2012, 10:26:00 AM: Hello!
This is a cabinet for sale on ebay, with ID: Maria Theresa of Braganza archduchess of Austria. Dear Katenka (Fyodorovna) thinks she´s not Maria Theresa. I was sure she was Maria Theresa or maybe one of her sisters -a see a strong resemblance. Maybe anyone could help...
;)

I hope I post this properly. I have a pretty good eye for faces. I believe this photo is NOT Maria Therese of Portugal. I am going to work on finding out who it is. Photo is also listed in another site as making the same claim. Grand Ladies posts http://www.gogmsite.net/the-bustle-eras-1870-1890/subalbum-infanta-maria-tere/archduchess-maria-teresa-by.html
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Svetabel on July 22, 2012, 12:33:42 PM: Quote from: russell on July 21, 2012, 10:26:00 AM

Hello!
This is a cabinet for sale on ebay, with ID: Maria Theresa of Braganza archduchess of Austria. Dear Katenka (Fyodorovna) thinks she´s not Maria Theresa. I was sure she was Maria Theresa or maybe one of her sisters -a see a strong resemblance. Maybe anyone could help...
;)

I hope I post this properly. I have a pretty good eye for faces. I believe this photo is NOT Maria Therese of Portugal. I am going to work on finding out who it is. Photo is also listed in another site as making the same claim. Grand Ladies posts http://www.gogmsite.net/the-bustle-eras-1870-1890/subalbum-infanta-maria-tere/archduchess-maria-teresa-by.html

We did discuss that photo once. The opinions were different, and I do think that's not Maria Therese, I even thought about a Thurn and Taxis Princess - but still not sure...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Bourgogne on August 01, 2012, 10:32:43 PM: Quote from: Svetabel on July 22, 2012, 12:33:42 PM

We did discuss that photo once. The opinions were different, and I do think that's not Maria Therese, I even thought about a Thurn and Taxis Princess - but still not sure...

In fact, my first idea when I saw the picture, was immediatly Louise of Thurn-and-Taxis, wife of Frederick of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen... But I checked, and finally I'm not so convinced, there is a true ressemblance, but Louise had a little more full face, not so fine. We can suppose maybe on this picture, it was a period where she was more thin... But :-/

I don't think it's MT, and I don't see either who of her sister it could be. Even if there definitively something of the type of all these Braganza princesses, I don't recognize really the face of one of them...

This is a big mystery...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Lecen on January 27, 2013, 06:18:53 AM: For the the last couple of years I have been looking for any book that could have the photograph below. I know it was taken in 1865 by François Aubert because a lithography of it can be found in the German book "Maximilian: Erzherzog von Osterreich: Kaiser von Mexiko in seitgenossischen Photographien". However, I want a book that has the actual photo. The one which has been uploaded on Wikipedia has a poor overall quality. Can anyone help me out with this one?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Emperor_maximilian_of_mexico.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on January 27, 2013, 07:09:45 AM: Not the same one but from the same photoshoot

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7864/maximiliano12.jpg)

If i find a better version of the one you post it, i will let you know.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 11, 2013, 02:54:55 PM: Quote from: Carolath Habsburg on November 12, 2009, 08:42:58 PM
Wel..someone in foros dinastia has posted this pictyure as Franz Karl, father of Franz Joseph I. I do not believe its him, what do you say?

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9254/franciscocarlos.jpg)

I will answer myself : This is Actor Jean Louis Barrault in the movie "Man to man" 1948

http://www.elysiumpress.com/pages/books/5077616/raymond-voinquel/vintage-portrait-of-jean-louis-barrault-from-the-1948-film-dhomme-a-hommes-by-christian-jaque-6-5-x-9-5

Is it true this image appeared in a photobook of the Habsburg mislabeled as Franz Karl?!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on May 22, 2014, 06:14:09 PM: Habsburg archduchess?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Austrian-Hapsburg-Royal-Princess-Portrait-Porcelain-Vase-Gilt-19thC-/321406060690?nma=true&si=hkvpYJm6mOJtvtnZ0hWHrvz8CQE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Anyone?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Bourgogne on July 09, 2014, 06:31:50 PM: Quote from: Marc on May 22, 2014, 06:14:09 PM
Habsburg archduchess?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Large-Austrian-Hapsburg-Royal-Princess-Portrait-Porcelain-Vase-Gilt-19thC-/321406060690?nma=true&si=hkvpYJm6mOJtvtnZ0hWHrvz8CQE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Anyone?

I really don't think the portrait on this (really beautiful btw) vase has anything to do with an "Habsburg archduchess"... The coat of arms near the lady has no link with the Habsburgs (or another sovereign house), and above all, is surmounted by a baron's crown...
Title: An English Translation of the Pragmatic Sanction
Post by: Whiskers on March 26, 2015, 08:55:21 AM: Charles VI issued an edict on 19 April 1713, Pragmatic Sanction.
I'm looking for an English Translation of the Pragmatic Sanction.
Does anyone know where I can find one?

Emperor decree for Emperor of Austria 11 August 1804, an English Translation

Thanks
Title: Re: An English Translation of the Pragmatic Sanction
Post by: Превед on March 26, 2015, 12:16:20 PM: There dosesn't seem to be an English translation.
I suppose an English speaker can understand a great deal from the contemporary French translation. See Heraldica (http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/ps1713.htm#text)
Especially with the use of Google Translate, also with the German text.

Archaïc spellings which Google Translate might not idenityf:

French:
privez = privés
arrivez = arrivés
estoient = étaient - all verbs in preterite with -oi+suffix for number and person = -ai.
sçavoir= savoir
estoit = était
Roy = roi
luy = lui
restoit = restait
aujourd’huy = aujourd’hui
loy = loi
connoissance = connaissance
connoistre = connaître
mesmes = mêmes
eust = eût
masles = mâles
quoy = quoi
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Превед on March 26, 2015, 03:12:03 PM: Quote from: Whiskers on March 26, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
Charles VI issued an edict on 19 April 1713, Pragmatic Sanction.
I'm looking for an English Translation of the Pragmatic Sanction.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
Thanks

An amended version of Google Translate's translation from the French:

His Imperial Majesty called upon all Privy State Counsellors, who were in Vienna, to meet at the accustomed place, on the 19th April 1713 at ten in the morning. As they arrived at the appointed hour, the Emperor entered the chamber of the State Council, under the canopy, and stood vis-à-vis ordinary table: then he sent His Counsellors and Ministers of State, who entered by to their rank, and stood upright, in their place; namely,

Prince Eugene of Savoy, Prince Trautson, Prince Schwarzenberg, Count Traun, Land Marshall Country, Count Thurn, Grand Master of the House of the Empress Eleonore, Count Dietrichstein, Grand Equerry, Count Seilern, Chancellor of the Court, Count Starhemberg, President of the Chamber of Finance, Count Martinitzs the younger, Count Herberstein, Vice-Chairman of the Council of War, Count Schikh, Grand Chancellor of Bohemia, Count Schönborn, Vice-Chancellor of the Empire, the Archbishop of Valencia, Count Sinzendorff, Grand Chamberlain, Count Parr, Grand Master of the House of the Empress Amelia, Count Sinzendorff, Vice-President of the Imperial Aulic Council, Count Nicolas Palfy, Grand Judge of the Court of the Kingdom of Hungary, Count Illieshasy, Chancellor of Hungary, Count Khevenhüller,Governor of Lower Austria, Count Gallas , Count Salm, Grand Equierry of Empress Amelie. Marquis Romeo, Privy Secretary of Royal Spanish State, with the States of Italy dismembered from the Spanish Crown, Count Kornis, Vice-Chancellor of Transylvania. Mister von Schickh, referendary.

When all said Counsellors and Ministers of State were thus assembled, His Imperial Majesty told them that the reason why he had made the call was to tell them, that it had been established between the late Emperor Leopold his father, the late Emperor Joseph his brother, then King of the Romans, and this Emperor, then as King in Spain, provisions, regulations & succession covenants, which had been confirmed by oath, by all parties in the presence of various Counsellors and Ministers of State of the Emperor but as few of said Counsellors and Ministers of State remained alive today, His Imperial Majesty had thought necessary not only to make them the declaration, but to give them knowledge of the said Act and same covenants, and to have them read to them.

At the time his Imperial Majesty ordered the Count of Seilern his Court Chancellor, to said reading.

And said Count read in a loud and clear voice, the beginning of the Act of Spanish acceptance, in his hands the original, signed by the Emperor, then as King of Spain, and furnished with the seal. Then he read the Act of succession, signed by Emperor Leopold and the King of the Romans, with their respective seals, from the beginning to the end, with the Notary Certificate attached. Finally he read the rest of the Spanish Act until the end containing the acceptance and commitment of the Emperor, similarly with the Notary's certificate attached to it, which acts are dated Vienna from 12 September 1703.

With this reading completed, His Imperial Majesty further stated to said Counsellors and Ministers of State that the acts that had just been read, he gave them to know that there was a provision and mutual pact for succession erected in perpetuity, and confirmed by oath between the two Josephine & Caroline lines; And as a result, with the Kingdoms & Hereditary Provinces of Spain, which were ceded to him by the Emperor Leopold & the Emperor Joseph, of happy memory, the death of that emperor his brother, arrived without his having left male heirs, put him in possession of all other hereditary kingdoms & countries, which were to remain together, without any division, under the law of primogeniture, with his male heirs, from legal marriage, which he may have in life; but by lack of male offspring (which God would spare him) by him, they would return in the same way to his daughters born of legitimate marriage, according to the order and right of primogeniture.

In addition, by the lack of any legitimate descendants, both male and female, from His said Imperial Majesty the said succession right to all said hereditary Kingdoms & Countries , would pass, in the above manner, always keeping the order of primogeniture, to the daughters of Emperor Joseph, and their legitimate descendants, and that similarly said Dames Archduchesses enjoy all the privileges and other prerogatives, according to that law and order of succession.

The whole so understood, that after the Caroline branch reigning today, and after the daughters of the Josephine branch, which the Emperor Joseph left after himself, said inheritance, with all that depends from it, belongs, remains and will be reserved in any way to the sisters of His Imperial Majesty, and all other lines of the Archducal house, under the law of primogeniture, in the rank and order that will result.

So that hereby the law, these regulations and succession pacts established in perpetuity, and confirmed by oath of the Emperors father and brother of His Imperial Majesty, and of his said Imperial Majesty himself, had no other object than the glory of God, and the conservation of all the hereditary countries together, His Imperial Majesty held firmly to all the above, likewise He promised to the said Consultants & Ministers: He exhorted & ordered them, to not provide less care and attention from their side to abide by these pacts and rules in their entirety, to observe them, and maintain; and To this end, His Imperial Majesty releaved said Counsellors and Ministers of State, in this case, from the commitment to secrecy. After that His Imperial Majesty and their Lordships the Counsellors and Ministers of State, retired.

I certify that all happened as above; in witness whereof I have signed this act, and in here it affixed my seal. In Vienna, 19 April, one thousand seven hundred thirteen.

(LS) Signed George Frederic von Schickh, Counsellor to His Imperial Majesty, Private Secretary of Lower Austria & Referent; created Notary Public for the present act, by the authoriy of the Emperor & Archduke of Austria...
Title: Re: An English Translation of the Pragmatic Sanction
Post by: Превед on March 26, 2015, 03:35:09 PM: Quote from: Whiskers on March 26, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
Emperor decree for Emperor of Austria 11 August 1804, an English Translation

Translation of extract at Heraldica (http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/royalstyle.htm#austria):

"Obschon wir durch göttliche Fügung und durch die Wahl der Kurfürsten des Römisch-Deutschen Reiches zu einer Würde gediehen sind, welche uns für unsere Person keinen Zuwachs an Titel und Ansehen zu wünschen übrig läßt, so muß doch unsere Sorgfalt als Regent des Hauses und der Monarchie von Österreich dahin gerichtet seyn, daß jene vollkommene Gleichheit des Titels und der erblichen Würde mit den vorzüglichsten Europäischen Regenten und Mächten aufrecht erhalten und behauptet werde, welche den Souveränen Österreichs sowohl in Hinsicht des uralten Glanzes ihres Erzhauses, als vermöge der Größe und Bevölkerung ihrer so beträchtlichen Königreiche und unabhängige Fürstentümer in sich fassenden Staaten gebühret, und durch völkerrechtliche Ausübung und Tractaten versichert ist .... In Gemäßheit dessen haben wir... beschlossen, für Uns undUnsere Nachfolger in dem unzertrennlichen Besitze Unserer Unabhängigen Königreiche und Staaten, den Titel und die Würde eines erblichen Kaisers von Österreich (als den Nahmen Unsers Erzhauses) dergestallt feyerlichst anzunehmen..."
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"Although we have thrived by divine providence and by the choice of the electors of the Holy Roman Empire to an eminence, which allows us no further desire regarding titles and reputations for our person, our concern as Regent of the House and the Monarchy of Austria must nevertheless be directed to preserve and maintain that perfect equality in title and hereditary dignity with the principal European rulers and powers which the Sovereigns of Austria, both in terms of what it is entitled to by the ancient splendour of its Arch-House and by virtue of its size and population of the states including so considerable kingdoms and independent principalities are due and are insured by the practice of international law and treaties .... In conformity of which we have ... decided for Us and for Our successors in the inseparable possession of our independent kingdoms and states to assume the title and the dignity of a hereditary Emperor of Austria (as the name of Our Arch-House) in a most solemn manner.
Title: IN MEMORY OF CROWN PRINCE RUDOLF
Post by: Richard D on June 26, 2016, 11:06:54 AM: Hi

Enclosed, you will find an image of a plate from my collection. On it, we can see the German inscription "ANDENKEN AN KRONPRINZ RUDOLF" (IN MEMORY OF CROWN PRINCE RUDOLF).
Can someone tell me more about this plate (the period when it was made, etc...)?

Thanks,

Richard

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/19/19/78/12/24a10.jpg)
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on July 31, 2016, 09:45:19 AM: Can anyone identify the lady painted by Koppay?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=483616248497541&set=o.351773014931924&type=3&theater

Someone assumed that it could be Stephanie,but no way...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on August 25, 2016, 03:12:50 PM: Beautiful, but doesnt resemble anyone from the habsburg that i know (tho she looks a bit like Maria Josepha, but she was blonde, not burnette)

Nice portrait, tho!
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 26, 2016, 02:34:28 AM: Could the lady be one of the sisters of Archduchess Maria Theresa,born Princess of Portugal?Maybe Adelgunde?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Infanta_Adelgundes%2C_Duchess_of_Guimar%C3%A3es.JPG

Or one of her sisters?We know that Koppay also painted Archduchess Maria Theresa...
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: José on October 09, 2016, 08:25:18 PM: Yes, that's Infanta D. Aldegundes, countess of Bardi.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 11, 2016, 08:23:44 AM: IMHO doesnt look like Adelgundes neither . Adelgundes was 50+ years when the portrait was painted and the portrayed lady looks younger than that.
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 29, 2019, 06:59:26 AM: Found portraits as Franz Karl and Sophie:

https://lot-tissimo.com/de/zwei-miniaturen-franz-karl-und-sophie-von-oesterreich-oesterreich-19-jh-gouache/_/i/15748735/p/52/

But I am sure it isn't them. It looks to me like some other Habsburg pair, but don't know which one.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Greenowl on August 29, 2019, 02:21:22 PM: I totally agree that the subjects of the portraits are definitely NOT Archduke Franz Karl and Archduchess Sophie. However, I have no idea who they might be,
Cheers,
GREENOWL
Title: Re: Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption
Post by: Marc on August 30, 2019, 11:36:41 AM: Weel, that is obvious ;) but who could it be?

I have sense that the pair is also from the Habsburg family, just couldn't define around which year the portraits were executed.

Anyone?