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Title: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: bell_the_cat on May 10, 2006, 05:54:50 AM
I was just reading about Archduchess Mathilde's tragic smoking realted accident on the Hohenzollern thread and was wondering which of Queen Victoria' children were smokers. For her grandchildren it's probably easier to count the ones who were non smokers.

My guesses (based on nothing specific)

Empress Frederick - non smoker. I just can't imagine it!
Edward VII - smoker
Alice - non smoker (she might have tried it though)
Alfred - smoker
Helena - non smoker
Louise - smoker (but didn't inhale)
Arthur - non smoker
Leopold - non smoker
Beatrice - non smoker

Non smokers among the grandchildren - Ella. There can't be many more - even Alexandra Feodorovna smoked! Is it possible that Marie of Roumania was a non smoker? I know that Ducky smoked.




Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2006, 09:34:24 AM
There actually was a thread where this was discussed but I think it's inaccessible now. There was a good deal of info there.  :(

Smokers:
Bertie--helped kill him
Alfred--died of throat or tongue cancer I believe
Louise
Arthur--I think he actually smoked though not to a large extent; most men did then it seems
Henry Battenberg--smoker; helped to get QV to ease her rules
Christian
Louise Connaught--possibility; I think I read it somewhere
Wilhelm II
Charly
Henry Prussia
Eddy
George V
Victoria Milford-Haven (like a chimney!)
Alexander Battenberg
Leopold Battenberg
Christian Victor


possibles because of personality, temperament or time when they became adults:
Toria
Maud
Thora
Ducky
Baby Bee
Alfred Jr
Patsy
Ena
Maurice
Charlie Albany
Alice Albany
Albert Schleswig-Holstein
Marie Louise
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Lieven on May 10, 2006, 10:09:19 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere recently that Queen Mary smoked, but I can't remember where, so please correct me if I'm wrong!
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 10, 2006, 10:15:45 AM
Alice of Battenberg/Greece (a greatgranddaughter) smoked.

Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: emeraldeyes on May 10, 2006, 10:21:19 AM
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There actually was a thread where this was discussed but I think it's inaccessible now. There was a good deal of info there.  :(


Yes, that was an interesting thread.  It's such a shame we can't get to so many old threads.   :'(
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: jfkhaos on May 10, 2006, 10:24:50 AM
Queen Mary did smoke, in private.  I remember something about straw-tipped cigarettes.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 10, 2006, 11:00:52 AM
Did Fritz of Germany, Vicky's husband, smoke?  I just wonder if it is what lead to/caused his throat cancer.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2006, 11:51:17 AM
I know he at least smoked a pipe--don't know about cigarettes or cigars.

Smoking can be attributed directly to the deaths of EVII, GVI (heavy smoker), Affie and most likely Fritz (throat cancer) and GV (long history of respiratory ills).
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eddie_uk on May 10, 2006, 01:25:45 PM
Helena did smoke. I saw her cigarette cases at the christies auction in January, lovely they were.  :)

And Marie Louise did smoke too, their is a funny story of how she would throw the cigarette ends out of the window while staying with her Aunt Vicky!! ;)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: bell_the_cat on May 10, 2006, 02:57:15 PM
So I guess Vicky was a confirmed non- smoker (like me!) - she must have been exposed to lots of passive smoking thiough!

My guesses for her kids:

Wilhelm (occasional cigars)
Charlotte - smoker
Henry -smoker
Moretta - smoker
Sophie - smoker
Mossy - smoker

Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Lieven on May 10, 2006, 03:01:10 PM
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Queen Mary did smoke, in private.  I remember something about straw-tipped cigarettes.

Thanks for confirming that! :)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Monceau on May 10, 2006, 03:11:40 PM
Beatrice smoked, too!  Pope-Hennessey mentioned this in his bio of May.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Caleb on May 10, 2006, 03:13:01 PM
Well, I knew that Wilhelm II smoked, because I saw a photo of Nicholas II & Wilhelm choosing cigars.
I think I also saw a photo of Crown Prince Constantine of Greece & Nicholas (when tsarevich) smoking.
Does anybody know if Marie Feodorovna, her parents, Thyra, George I of Greece & Fredrich VIII smoked?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Laura_ on May 10, 2006, 03:45:06 PM
Marie of Romania did smoke too and this is well-known(sorry if she was already mentioned).


here's a fragment :

" There were sixteen at the table, the King and the Queen sitting on opposite sides in the centre, with the guests on their right and left. I was second from King Ferdinand, and within six feet of Queen Marie who was almost directly across the table from me. Her Majesty talked throughout the meal, which lasted for more than an hour, eating heartily the while.

After we had finished, a silver alcohol lamp, of a beautiful ancient Roman design, was placed before the Queen. She took a cigarette and lighted it from the flame, raising the lamp to the level of her nose as she did so. She smoked vigorously, and it seemed to me that she liked it. Some-times she talked with the cigarette in her mouth. The lamp was next passed to the King, after which it went around the table."

(AT THE QUEEN'S TABLE
Chapter XXXII by Frank G. Carpenter,Doubleday, Page & Company
Garden City, New York, 1925)


Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 10, 2006, 07:37:33 PM
George I of Greece and Frederick VIII of Denmark did indeed smoke.

When it comes to male royals, it's almost who didn't smoke.

Tsar Nicholas II smoked as well.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Lieven on May 11, 2006, 06:07:08 AM
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George I of Greece and Frederick VIII of Denmark did indeed smoke.

When it comes to male royals, it's almost who didn't smoke.

Tsar Nicholas II smoked as well.

It's almost a case of what wealthy society male didn't smoke, not only royals! Isn't it odd that they seemed to vaguely connect smoking with illness (I think Alix and Agnes Keyser tried to get Bertie to smoke less) but that didn't stop them considering it 'fasionable'. Mind you, it's more or the less the same situation today! :P
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: darius on May 11, 2006, 07:38:06 AM
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Queen Mary did smoke, in private.  I remember something about straw-tipped cigarettes.

In Richard hough´s biography of Edwina Mountbatten he tells the story of a visit by Queen Mary to Park Lane Apartment. The lift was one of the fastest in London but apparently Queen Mary entered with her woodbine lit up and shot up the lift exiting with the woodbine still alight and not a feather out of place. It was quite a comical anecdote!
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on May 11, 2006, 11:43:08 PM
What about modern Royals 8-)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Laura_ on May 12, 2006, 03:13:05 AM
i know Queen Margarethe II of Danmark smokes ;she was the first queen to smoke in public  :(
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Lucien on May 12, 2006, 04:29:25 AM
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i know Queen Margarethe II of Danmark smokes ;she was the first queen to smoke in public  :(

Not in public but private,Queen Beatrix and several other Oranges,late Princess Juliana loved to set fire to a cigarette...and lived to be 94."Smoked meat" holds longer....

note:I'm not promoting smoking ofcourse,just for the record.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 12, 2006, 09:28:40 AM
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i know Queen Margarethe II of Danmark smokes ;she was the first queen to smoke in public  :(

Oh, she smokes like a chimney!

Of course, there was Princess Margaret.  :(

Wasn't Prince Harry caught smoking?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on May 12, 2006, 10:44:27 PM
I Belive Prince Harry still does
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Angie_H on May 14, 2006, 11:12:02 AM
Didn't Alexandra Empress of Russia also smoke?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Linnea on May 15, 2006, 02:09:45 PM
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Didn't Alexandra Empress of Russia also smoke?

Her mother-in-law, Maria Feodorovna, did.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Monceau on May 15, 2006, 02:50:09 PM
King Carl XIV Gustaf of Sweden smokes, too.   :-[
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 15, 2006, 09:50:26 PM
Interersting ! I am collecting photos of royals caught smoking... ;)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 09:54:54 AM
Well, I had been putting some together.  :)

Bertie:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/HH4145.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/54a5af4c.jpg)

George V:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/00421.jpg)

GV & NII

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/img976.jpg)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 09:57:12 AM
Arthur Connaught
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/10074674a.jpg)

Henry Battenberg
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/10084657a.jpg)

Ferdinand I, Nicholas II, Carol I
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/028211.jpg)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 09:59:06 AM
Fritz

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/107881.jpg)

Wilhelm II

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/10010810a.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/HD3255.jpg)

Henry

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/princehenryofprussia.jpg)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2006, 10:05:30 AM
What about the ladies who smoke ?  ;)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 10:08:33 AM
Frederick VIII

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/61_1_b1.jpg)

Alfred

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/HU0185922.jpg)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2006, 10:19:16 AM
Still waiting for the ladies... ;)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 05:59:30 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1625000/images/_1629858_mar_smoking_1983_pa.jpg
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 16, 2006, 06:06:19 PM
Hmm--don't know why that happened.  :-/  It was supposed to be a link to a photo of Margaret smoking--worked in the preview.

news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1625000/images/_1629858_mar_smoking_1983_pa.jpg
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grand Duke on May 16, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
King Manoel II of Portugal, caught in the act

(http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/ships/images/ship4602.jpg)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 16, 2006, 09:51:38 PM
Nice one of Margo ! I have seen one of Missy and another of Ducky smoking.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on May 16, 2006, 11:37:12 PM
Ill bet there are some of the Countess of Snowdon
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: grandduchessella on May 17, 2006, 12:03:16 AM
2 more of Margaret

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs3/margretengland29.jpg

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs3/margretengland52.jpg
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 17, 2006, 08:22:40 AM
Yes...I bet you can actually get one of those cigarette holders if you bid for it in the Margaret auction at Christie's !  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: B5218 on May 21, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
From "Recollection of Three Reigns" by Sir Frederick Ponsonby

"The Queen (Victoria) had a rooted objection to smoking and even disliked reading letters written by anyone who had smoked when writing.  Once I received a message from her asking me not to smoke when decyphering telegrams because the official box in which I sent the her the decoded telegram smelt strongly of tobacco.

No one was allowed to smoke in any part of Osborne House where the smell might possibly reach the Royal nostrils; this was odd because all her family smoked like chimneys".

I found this delightful book in the usually way .... I was looking for something else.  Sir Frederick, 1st Lord Sysonby, served Victoria, Edward vii and George v and died in 1935.  Imagine - 494 pages of text and no pictures, published in 1952


Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 21, 2006, 12:23:48 PM
Indeed ! Most of her family did smoked... :)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grace on May 22, 2006, 03:31:22 AM
The only non-smoker among Victoria and Albert's sons was Leopold, interestingly.  Perhaps he was advised not to because of his health problems but perhaps he simply shared his mother's dislike of the habit?

Does anyone know any more Victorian royal men who were abstemious of tobacco products?  8-)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Prince_Christopher on May 22, 2006, 06:52:02 AM
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Does anybody know if Marie Feodorovna smoked?

Yes, she did, apparently heavily, according to Prince Christopher's memoirs.  He states that at the family gatherings in Denmark, Minnie would hide her lit cigarette behind her dress when her mother or father entered the room, oblivious to the puffs of smoke rising above her head.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Lucien on May 22, 2006, 08:28:25 AM
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King Carl XIV Gustaf of Sweden smokes, too.   :-[

so does the XVIth.... :)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 22, 2006, 12:26:30 PM
I don't think Thyra smoked though... :-?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Caleb on May 22, 2006, 08:00:06 PM
I know that many Asian royals smoked. I remember reading that the Dowager Empress Ci-Xi smoked, as well as her nephew the Emperor Guangxu (who already had emphasyma to begin with). It had even been alledged that Ci-Xi's husband, Emperor Xianfeng was addicted to opium. I have seen a photo of Stalin smoking, but I wonder about Lenin? We're reading "Catcher in the Rye" for English class & the main character, Holden Caulfield smoked (I think) even more then King Edward VII.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 22, 2006, 09:54:36 PM
Yes...Smoking does havok to your health...Look at Edward VII, George V, George VI and more recently Princess Margaret.  :(
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Lucien on May 23, 2006, 03:15:31 AM
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Yes...Smoking does havok to your health...Look at Edward VII, George V, George VI and more recently Princess Margaret.  :(

Eric,I thought the first largely suffered due to his eating habits eventually causing his death,the latter suffered from more then what could possibly be caused by smoking only as well,"fluids" being THE major followed by a complex array of causes.Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on May 23, 2006, 05:56:07 AM
I think George VI and Princess Margret's health was ruined by excessive smoking. That means to be agreed with a lot of people I talked to... :-?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: eejm on September 24, 2007, 01:23:34 PM
The only non-smoker among Victoria and Albert's sons was Leopold, interestingly.  Perhaps he was advised not to because of his health problems but perhaps he simply shared his mother's dislike of the habit?

Does anyone know any more Victorian royal men who were abstemious of tobacco products?  8-)

Just found this topic, very interesting!  Actually, per the Zeepvat biography, Leopold did smoke.  I don't know if he did it regularly, only occasionally, or did so every now and then, but she does refer to him starting to smoke at Balmoral (I think) one year, and later forbade him to do it somewhere else -maybe while he was at Oxford?

I'm not surprised Leopold did smoke; he hated that health prevented him from doing so many things his brothers did, like serve in the military.  This was a way for him to otherwise live as the rest of his family did.

Beatrice apparently did not smoke around her mother (as said before QV did not like it), but chain-smoked when alone with her husband.  I think Beatrice had a rather mild streak of rebelliousness, and this is one of the ways she expressed it.  :D
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: eejm on September 24, 2007, 02:44:36 PM
The only non-smoker among Victoria and Albert's sons was Leopold, interestingly.  Perhaps he was advised not to because of his health problems but perhaps he simply shared his mother's dislike of the habit?

Does anyone know any more Victorian royal men who were abstemious of tobacco products?  8-)

Just found this topic, very interesting!  Actually, per the Zeepvat biography, Leopold did smoke.  I don't know if he did it regularly, only occasionally, or did only at one time in his life, but Zeepvat does refer to him starting to smoke at Balmoral (I think) one year, and QV later forbade Leopold to do it somewhere else - maybe while he was at Oxford?

I'm not surprised Leopold did smoke; he hated that health prevented him from doing so many things his brothers did, like serve in the military.  This was a way for him to otherwise live as the rest of his family did.

Beatrice apparently did not smoke around her mother (as said before QV did not like it), but chain-smoked when alone with her husband.  I think Beatrice had a rather mild streak of rebelliousness, and this is one of the ways she expressed it.  :D
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 24, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
I don't know if Queen Alexandra smoked or not (although her sister the Empress did).  ???
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Tdora1 on September 25, 2007, 05:03:47 AM
Beatrice would smoke in her rooms (along with May) and they further found it useful on Balmoral picnics to keep off the midges too (any excuse ay  ;) ) Dr James Reid complained to his diary that Princess Helena constantly wished him to come to her rooms 'for cigarettes' after dinner at Balmoral. He found her 'a bore' alas.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Tdora1 on September 25, 2007, 05:05:21 AM
Oh and the Duchess of Cornwall still puffs away despite the PoW's disaproval.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Martyn on September 25, 2007, 08:06:07 AM
Oh and the Duchess of Cornwall still puffs away despite the PoW's disaproval.

Does she??!! How interesting........

I thought that she had kicked the habit (perhaps part of the deal when she got married and ennobled??!!).......as they say though, once a smoker, always a smoker.........
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 26, 2007, 02:45:06 PM
Oh and the Duchess of Cornwall still puffs away despite the PoW's disaproval.

Does she??!! How interesting........

I thought that she had kicked the habit (perhaps part of the deal when she got married and ennobled??!!).......as they say though, once a smoker, always a smoker.........
I did not know that Camilla is sneaking wow without Prince Charles knowing. Remember she promise to give up the habit under Charles will. Over 30 years she has been smoking. Yes exactly Martyn very well said. Once your a smoker, always a smoker. Anyway I did not know that Princess Margaret smoked? I have not heard anything about her smoking. I did hear about Queen Alexandra she did smoke he husband Edward did in fact he smoked numerous cigars. Empress Marie Alexandra's sister also smoke she was a chain smoker, her children also smoked too. Many royals smoke anyway.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: emeraldeyes on September 26, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
Princess Margaret was photographed many times chatting away holding an elegant cigarette holder and there were also several cigarette holders included in the recent auction of her possessions IIRC.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/smokingatopera.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/smokingataidsfundraiser.jpg)


Oh and the Duchess of Cornwall still puffs away despite the PoW's disaproval.

Do you have a source for this?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grace on September 26, 2007, 03:58:03 PM
Is that Nureyev with Margaret in the first photo, EE?

Re:  Camilla - she would have been told not to smoke for at least two weeks before her recent surgery so that would have been a good opportunity for her to quit, if she hadn't already beforehand.   
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: emeraldeyes on September 26, 2007, 04:08:12 PM
Hmm...not sure on that one Grace.  I don't think the nose is angular enough to be Nureyev.  Does look familiar on some level though. 
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 26, 2007, 04:39:21 PM
Princess Margaret was photographed many times chatting away holding an elegant cigarette holder and there were also several cigarette holders included in the recent auction of her possessions IIRC.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/smokingatopera.jpg)

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/emeraldeyes1969/smokingataidsfundraiser.jpg)


Oh and the Duchess of Cornwall still puffs away despite the PoW's disaproval.


Do you have a source for this?

Thanks emerald eyes that is the proof right there that Margaret smokes using a specialy designed cigarette holder. Hopefully Camilla quit smoking for good becuase she should notice what that was that has been affecting her health from the start.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grace on September 26, 2007, 04:43:19 PM
Elizabeth~Princess, nearly every second photo that was taken of Margaret shows her with a cigarette (and a drink too usually)!  She was known for her heavy smoking which was a life-long habit that eventually killed her at 71.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 26, 2007, 05:10:36 PM
Elizabeth~Princess, nearly every second photo that was taken of Margaret shows her with a cigarette (and a drink too usually)!  She was known for her heavy smoking which was a life-long habit that eventually killed her at 71.
Yes thanks for the information Grace. ;) I did not know that she was a long time chain smoker but I did know that she died at 71 of cancer. Her sister Elizabeth always refer to them as 'nasty things'. She also drinked. I notice in those photographs she is holding acohol. So sad no wonder her looks are old and rinkled up so are Camilla's their faces have big rinkles on there.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Tdora1 on September 26, 2007, 05:16:22 PM
Sure Camilla would have had the standard pre-op advice but as a nurse I can promise you that many arrive, get into bed, get clerked and immediately shuffle off to the designated smoker's corner shelter outside the main entrance. Wherein pack - at all hours of the day and night - quantities of patients (some hooked up to the most extraordinary apparatus - myself recently trailed about the EEG head spaghetti for a sleep test at the Royal Devon) and nurses and housemen and the occasional Registrar having a bad day even (all of whom scrounge off the nurses) and all the ancilliary staff and them from outpatients and the path labs, a goodly representation from admin and a fair sprinkling of anxious relatives - the lot. Who still smoke in full of view of the arriving hordes regardless. For as long as Golden Virginina and Rizla keep us in our wobbly cheapo home-made West Country gaspers, the good men of our blessed Duchy of the Western Men will always know of a pub that's ignoring the ban. As Duchess of Cornwall Camilla is doing sterling work in so identifying with us her bronchial burdens
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 26, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Well...Too late to get Camilla to quit smoking now ?
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 27, 2007, 01:45:23 PM
Well...Too late to get Camilla to quit smoking now ?
Yes especialy since she has been doing it for more than 30 years it would be realy difficult to quit after all that time. But hopefully she will break the habit.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grace on September 27, 2007, 04:18:03 PM
I won't be losing any sleep over whether Camilla (or any other royal) smokes themselves to their grave or not (though it does give me a slight perverse joy to think of the disquiet this may cause Prince Charles in his orderly, removed-from-reality world, I must say).

We are bombarded in the media now with graphic details of what might happen if we smoke, eat the wrong foods, don't exercise enough, don't have pap smears, pick up heavy objects incorrectly for the sake of our backs etc. etc.  It's always Heart Week, Kidney Week or some of other disease or disability week that it's all become a bit much as far as I'm concerned. 

I think we're all well and truly 'informed' nowadays.  It's called 'personal choice'.

Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: dmitri on September 28, 2007, 01:19:11 AM
Yes I don't think too many will be concerned with Camilla's passing apart from her own family. As for smoking if somebody truly wants to get off it they can. My father did after smoking from the age of 15 to 70. He simply called on sheer willpower and was frightened to bits when the Doctor said it was either the cigarettes or the grave. Such advice has quite a remarkable effect on many people! He ended up living as a result for over 7 more years.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 28, 2007, 05:34:45 AM
That is a good story.  :)
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Grace on September 28, 2007, 06:58:01 AM
I won't be losing any sleep over whether Camilla (or any other royal) smokes themselves to their grave or not (though it does give me a slight perverse joy to think of the disquiet this may cause Prince Charles in his orderly, removed-from-reality world, I must say).

I didn't quite mean this as it reads.  I enjoy thinking about the disquiet Camilla's actual smoking most likely gives Charles, not her possible demise from it. 
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Tdora1 on September 28, 2007, 07:01:25 AM
Grace - I get it and also like the thought of Charles getting his knickers in a twist a bit over her wilfulness. Though I'd bet that is some of what makes her so attractive to him - there is something perversely attractive when your loved one is being a bit deliquent.
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: dmitri on September 28, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
Edward VII smoked .. died from the effects
George V smoked .. it certainly helped kill him
Queen Mary smoked - she died from cancer so it probably helped her on her way
Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor .. smoked and it killed him
George VI smoked and it killed him
Princess Margaret smoked and drank and both killed her .. caused strokes

All in all the Windsors should keep away from tobacco

Thankfully Elizabeth II does not smoke!
Charles does not smoke but fancy as a non-smoker kissing a smoker like Camilla? Perhaps his favourite chocolate is Ash Tray and not Cadbury's Milk Tray!! 
Title: Re: Smokers and non smokers
Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 28, 2007, 02:33:15 PM
Edward VII smoked .. died from the effects
George V smoked .. it certainly helped kill him
Queen Mary smoked - she died from cancer so it probably helped her on her way
Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor .. smoked and it killed him
George VI smoked and it killed him
Princess Margaret smoked and drank and both killed her .. caused strokes

All in all the Windsors should keep away from tobacco

Thankfully Elizabeth II does not smoke!
Charles does not smoke but fancy as a non-smoker kissing a smoker like Camilla? Perhaps his favourite chocolate is Ash Tray and not Cadbury's Milk Tray!! 
Dmitri, I must say your information is exactly correct. But, Queen Elizabeth never smoked. On the other hand, it is odd for a non smoker and a smoker to be kisssing each other. hahah! But there is some people I was always unsure about and it was Queen Victoria and Princess Alice of Great Britain?
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Post by: NAAOTMA on September 29, 2007, 11:50:28 AM
In THE LOST PRINCE miniseries, Queen Alexandra is depicted smoking at family gatherings. Since it is recorded that her sister Dagmar was a dedicated smoker, it seems likely that like many other royal ladies of that era Alix of England was too.

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Post by: Grace on September 29, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
In THE LOST PRINCE miniseries, Queen Alexandra is depicted smoking at family gatherings. Since it is recorded that her sister Dagmar was a dedicated smoker, it seems likely that like many other royal ladies of that era Alix of England was too.

I think a little caution is advisable when taking historical cues from The Lost Prince.  If you read through the lengthy thread on this series in the film and TV section, many inaccuracies in this production have been discussed.  I can't remember ever reading that QA smoked - if she did, it certainly would have been sparingly.
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Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 30, 2007, 08:57:53 AM
I am realy unsure if Queen Alexandra smoked or not. I realy think she has. But, we may nevr realy know. I know she defantly was not a chain smoker like Empress Marie.
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Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 30, 2007, 12:10:55 PM
Hi Dmitri,

"his favourite chocolate is Ash Tray and not Cadbury's Milk Tray"...

Good one, Great one!!!
It's given me my laugh of the day!!!  Keep 'em comin'.....

Larry
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Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on September 30, 2007, 05:50:38 PM
Hi Dmitri,

"his favourite chocolate is Ash Tray and not Cadbury's Milk Tray"...

Good one, Great one!!!
It's given me my laugh of the day!!!  Keep 'em comin'.....

Larry
That is very funny one Dmitri has.!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 01, 2007, 09:12:42 PM
Yes very...I like chocs too..   ;)
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Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on October 02, 2007, 04:54:34 PM
Yes chocolates are delicious, yummy. That dog on you avatar looks so adorable Eddie, I love it! The habit of smoking is realy hard to break, even trying to get someone to stop won't help becuase they are addicted to it. It is realy sad, hopefully Camilla would put a end to her habit.
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Post by: dmitri on October 03, 2007, 02:49:11 AM
I guess Charles must adore that romantic aroma of smoke in the hair and clothes. What a turn on that must be for him!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 03, 2007, 03:18:42 AM
As well as the soil in the Garden.  :)
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Post by: dmitri on October 04, 2007, 02:37:34 PM
A subtle distinction between soil and soiled.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2007, 05:10:37 AM
 ?  ???
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Post by: Antoniam on October 05, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
Camilla is no longer a smoker, she stopped smoking before she and Charles were married. There have been no reports of her starting up again. Considering the many 'sources' who leak information to the tabloids, had she started smoking again it would have been front page news!

William and Harry are both smokers and have been photographed smoking. William was heard in 2005 when on a layover at Sydney airport saying that he was "desperate for a smoke" and was seen heading outdoors. He had just survived the long flight from the UK and was about to go onto New Zealand.
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Post by: dmitri on October 05, 2007, 08:44:08 AM
Where is the evidence of William smoking?
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Post by: Antoniam on October 05, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
Where is the evidence of William smoking?

Do a photo search of the picture agencies, there are pictures of him smoking.
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Post by: Martyn on October 05, 2007, 01:02:12 PM
And until it is made illegal, which at some point in the future it may well be, it is a matter of personal choice whether someone smokes or not, as long as they observe the laws that govern the practice.

So Camilla, Wills and Harry all smoke?  I wonder if smoking is banned in BP and they have to go outside to get their nicotine fix??!!
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 05, 2007, 08:28:22 PM
People with stress usually smokes... ;)
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Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on October 06, 2007, 05:53:17 AM
Yes I think they all smoke William, Camilla and Harry. But, they probably do it becuase of how much stress their in.

I find some information of Harry smoking but that was in 2002.


2/17/2002

PRINCE HARRY ADMITS SMOKING CANNABIS

PRINCE Harry has admitted smoking cannabis.  The third in line to the throne confessed to his father that he smoked joints over a two-month period during his school holidays at Highgrove last summer.  He was 16 at the time.

Harry also confessed to underage and after-hours drinking at a local pub where he was introduced to cannabis.  Several pub regulars returned to his father's country estate and on one occasion smoked joints in a basement den converted for the princes in the royal cellars.  Harry calls his hideaway "Club H" and has had it equipped with a sound system and a well-stocked bar.  The Prince of Wales confronted his youngest son after staff reported their suspicions, and then sent him to meet hard-core drug addicts at a London rehabilitation clinic where he heard horror stories of addiction.

Prince Harry denied smoking the drug inside Highgrove but admitted he had smoked it in the grounds.

Last night a spokesman for St James's Palace said: "This is a serious matter which was resolved within the family and is now in the past and closed."

It is understood Prince Harry did not need treatment for addiction to either drink or drugs.  Bill Puddicombe, the chief executive of the clinic, told The Sunday Times last night: "I can confirm Prince Harry attended our rehabilitation centre.

"We explained the programme that people go through to get over the addiction of heroin, cocaine and other drugs.  I was delighted to discover the visit had been a success.  When I saw Prince Charles in November he told me that Harry had definitely learnt something."

Prince Harry's troubles began during June last year when his brother William was on a gap year in Australia and South America and his father was often away or in London.  Harry was effectively home alone with staff at Highgrove, Gloucestershire.

Though accompanied by his royal protection officers he was allowed to roam as he wanted and began to frequent a country pub in the nearby village of Sherston.  It was at the Rattlebone Inn, six miles from his home, where Harry became involved in after-hours drinking sessions, and on one occasion was involved in a late-night fracas over a pool session.  Harry is said to have been thrown out after insulting the French chef and calling him "a f frog".

It was in an outhouse at the rear of the pub that Harry was introduced to cannabis.  One of Harry's new-found friends later brought the drug into Highgrove where staff eventually noticed the pungent odour.

A family friend quoted last night said: "Charles was very calm.  He didn't confront Harry aggressively but sat him down and asked him to tell the truth.  Harry immediately confirmed that in the past two months

he'd been smoking cannabis on several occasions, that he'd brought friends back to Highgrove parties and that he'd been drinking a lot.

"Though Charles did not scream and shout at Harry, he did gently question him, asking, 'Are these really the right people to be hanging around with? Are these really the right things for you to be doing at 16 in your position?' Harry was very mature about it and quickly realised the error of his ways."

But Charles decided drastic action needed to be taken to shock his son and arranged a visit to Featherstone Lodge in Peckham, southeast London, run by the drug charity Phoenix House.

Prince Harry was accompanied at sessions with former heroin addicts by an aide, Mark Dyer, and his police bodyguard.

One of Prince Charles's aides quoted in today's News of the World said: "The prince knew that Harry attending group therapy on the evils of drugs would educate him away from the fashionable assumption that cannabis use is okay and does not lead to harder, more serious drugs."

 
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Post by: Olishka~ Pincess on October 06, 2007, 05:56:49 AM
Article continued...

Prince Charles also banned Harry from visiting the Rattlebone Inn and alerted Harry's head master at Eton to the problem.  Andrew Gailey, Harry's housemaster, visited Highgrove on Friday to discuss the situation.

The 17,604 pounds-a-year school restricted Harry's weekend passes when term resumed in September and over Christmas he was told to spend the entire break with his father and brother.

Prince William, now studying at St Andrews University, is said to be a calming influence.  "Prince William is very anti-drugs and a clean-living young man with a great sense of duty," a family friend said.  "He is a good influence on his brother, who is more easily led by his peer group."

William has had his own brush with drugs.  He was offered a joint during his 10-week Raleigh International trip to Chile in 2000.

According to a fellow expedition member who witnessed the scene, he firmly rejected the drug, holding up his hands and saying "no thanks".

Apart from keeping a close eye on his son, the Prince of Wales considers the matter closed.  There are no plans to increase Harry's security, though the incidents raise serious questions as to why royal protection officers failed to either stop the prince or alert their superiors.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said last night: "Our protection officers have not made any reports of security concerns.  Security has not been compromised."

It is recognised that protection officers face a difficult balancing act between the discretion necessary to retain their charge's trust and vigilance.  But family friends claimed last night that Prince Harry's drinking went back to before his teens and that he had experimented with cigarettes from the age of 11 or 12.  It was also alleged last night that cocaine had been available at the Rattlebone.

The landlord of the pub has since changed.  Emma Carter-Williams, the new landlady, last night denied any suggestion that customers had smoked cannabis on the premises.

It is felt in royal circles that Harry has dealt with the situation responsibly after being found out.  Buckingham Palace has taken the line that Harry is no different from thousands of youngsters of his age who come into contact with cannabis.

Charles's own embarrassing downfall during his time at Gordonstoun was to attempt to buy cherry brandy while underage.  He has also admitted smoking cigarettes "behind the chicken run at school" until he was 11.

Cannabis is still illegal, despite speculation that the government may soon downgrade it from a category B to a category C drug, making possession a non-arrestable offence.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 07, 2007, 09:12:39 PM
Royal habits seemed hard to break...Yes many remember the cherry brandy incident.  :) Very tame by today's standart. Georgie Kent and Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) both had drug problems but kicked the habit later on.
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Post by: Grace on October 07, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
Royal habits seemed hard to break...Yes many remember the cherry brandy incident.  :) Very tame by today's standart. Georgie Kent and Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) both had drug problems but kicked the habit later on.

What drug problem did Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) have?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 08, 2007, 12:45:00 AM
I read that David had experience with dugs, but quickly dropped it. When his younger brother Georgie was hooked onto it. He was able to get help and offer his own experience on how to kick the habit. Even Queen Mary was glad that he excerted some positive influence on his younger brother this time.  :)
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Post by: Romanov_Fan19 on October 09, 2007, 06:08:50 PM
Does Ella Winsor still smoke  im opposed to it
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 09, 2007, 08:52:41 PM
Don't know...Did her mother (Princess Michael of Kent) smokes ?  ???
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Post by: Tdora1 on November 30, 2007, 07:15:10 PM
I read that David had experience with dugs, but quickly dropped it. When his younger brother Georgie was hooked onto it. He was able to get help and offer his own experience on how to kick the habit. Even Queen Mary was glad that he excerted some positive influence on his younger brother this time.  :)
Where did you read this Eric? David was fiercely opposed to drug-taking and I have never come across so much as a hint of him ever trying them.
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Post by: Tdora1 on November 30, 2007, 07:18:28 PM
I read that David had experience with dugs, but quickly dropped it. When his younger brother Georgie was hooked onto it. He was able to get help and offer his own experience on how to kick the habit. Even Queen Mary was glad that he excerted some positive influence on his younger brother this time.  :)
        BTW Absolutely the Freudian Slip Award of 2007 there, Eric : ) hur hur hurhurhurhur etc
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Post by: eejm on November 30, 2007, 09:30:53 PM
Does anyone know if Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse was a smoker?  How about her husband, Louis?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 03, 2007, 05:27:11 AM
I think her husband smokes, but not sure about Alice ?  ???
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Post by: CharlotteSometimes on February 21, 2008, 10:55:44 AM
Does anyone know if Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse was a smoker?  How about her husband, Louis?

I've seen a picture of Louis with a meerschaum, but I doubt that Alice smoked.  Not only does it seem not in keeping with her personality, but she died in 1878 and I don't think smoking had become "fashionable" for royal/society women by then.  I know her daughter Victoria took up smoking as a teenager, but she was influenced by her bad cousin Willy, not girls in her peer group.  Wilhelm II was SO wrong on SO many levels.
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Post by: miki_nastya on February 19, 2012, 04:34:59 PM
Any pictures of Milford Haven r Minny smoking?
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Post by: LauraO on February 20, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
Any pictures of Milford Haven r Minny smoking?

Interestingly i haven't ever seen any of minnie
as far as Camilla smoking i'm pretty sure she gave up when she married charles
also as far as margaret goes although there were reports that she smoked 60 a day i read somewhere that actually it was more like 70 in her height. although the queen mum didn't smoke she did drink excessivly the amount of units per week for women is recommended at 14 and she drank 70...obviously preserved her as she lived to 101 ;)

also Philip did smoke but gave up when he married the Queen..thank God, so on the topic of kissing a smoker when you're a non smoker, i suppose it was the same for the queen as was mentioned for charles and camilla.