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Title: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Elija on September 03, 2004, 10:16:49 AM
What u think about "Rasputin" movie with Alan Rickman as Holy Devil????
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: kaatje on September 03, 2004, 02:55:47 PM
Personally I quite liked it, Alan Rickman was an inspired choice as Rasputin though I've read that he resisted this role for a long while, and refused to wear a wig, hence the short hr.  It was sympathetic portrayal of Rasputin, one that I believe has been long overdue, though of course some things shown were, I thought more fictionalised.
A few things really irritated me though, they were warped timeframes i.e Alexei's healed leg in a mere 24hrs!! and the portrayal of Felix Yusupov, I much prefer N & A's portrayal (of Felix) as it seems more real, that just really grated on me!
And finally the most annoying thing was when Nicholas was told by Stolypin no less that Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand has been assassinated!!!!, all I could think of was I'm I seeing a ghost here, your supposed to be dead!, either that or somebody must have fallen asleep during the editing process.

Overall though, an enjoyable film, very watchable but lacking at times accuracy.

Katie
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on September 03, 2004, 03:11:24 PM
I liked thw movie,..at some parts are funny and some parts are very sad.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rachel5a on September 03, 2004, 03:25:39 PM
As I remember this film was contrary to the history ( specialy date, years...) I Think there was some episode with Stolypin absolutely untrue, I dont understand why??? it was a strange vision of director...
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sandy on September 03, 2004, 03:26:57 PM
Ha, ha, ha, why is Stolypin always still alive? He was alive too long in Nicholas and Alexandra too! LOL!

Question for those who have seen it: how do they play out the murder scene? Which characters are used, and is it accurate?
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: kaatje on September 03, 2004, 03:41:18 PM
Well the film doesn't portray the killers until the actual murder scene, so I'm guessing that all the usual characters are there.  The scene itself is violent, though not as violent as 'The Lost Prince'.  Alexei walks to the cellar instead of being carried, which goes against all previous knowledge and the rest it just the usual, with Nicholas saying 'what, what?' and all that...(plus it's in a kind of slow motion as well.

Katie
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Elija on September 03, 2004, 03:49:50 PM
well "this" Rasputin was in my opinion a little to holy with all this vision of Virgin Mary etc... I think it's not real face of truly Holy Devil...
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: jackie3 on September 03, 2004, 10:01:42 PM
Despite the historical inaccuracies I think Rasputin was as good a film as there's been (in English) to get to whole the IF really was. Alan Rickman was great (and a bit over the top) as the title character, I don't share the dislike of Greta Scacchi's Alexandra as some do and I think Ian McKellen's Nicholas was wonderful. Alexei was also portrayed as the tragic loving sick boy he was and not the selfish brat of Nicholas and Alexandra. Even Ella and her death (along with GD Sergei) was shown although OTMA once again served as personality-less wallpaper. There is one scene in particular after Nicholas has abdicated and is returning home to the Alexander Palace which is overrun with guards/soldiers now. As Alexandra watches from above, Nicholas walks the stairs surrounded by jeering and insulting soldiers blocking his way. IIRC one soldier drops something and orders the former Tsar to pick it up. I forget if Nicholas does or not (haven't seen the film in a long time) but Ian McKellen's posture and the look in his eyes changes so rapidly as he sees his wife that in that one moment the beaten down former Tsar becomes once again noble and regal "the Emperor" and the soldiers mocking him recogonize it and quiet down and let him walk up. A far cry from N&A where Nicholas was portrayed as a blind fool.

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Alexei walks to the cellar instead of being carried, which goes against all previous knowledge and the rest it just the usual, with Nicholas saying 'what, what?' and all that...(plus it's in a kind of slow motion as well.


In addition the last moments of the film is when we see the moment before Yurovskly puts three bullets point blank in Alexei's head (though we don't see it actually happen) and we hear Alexei thinking of Rapsutin's soothing words in his last moments thinking of clouds and the sky and such. It was quite moving and showed the injustice of it all (by focusing on Alexei) better than tons of fake blood would have.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 12, 2005, 08:36:04 PM
I thought this was an excellant movie. Rickman was [glb]GREAT[/glb] as Rasputin. The sets and especially the costumes were magnificent. The cast was all great and looked like the royal family too!
it had both humour and drama.
I got my mom to watch it with me, and even SHE liked it! She finds the Romanovs boring, I find her WRONG! lol
Anyway, what was your fave scene?
Mine was when the Romanovs were in a cathedral for the 300 years Mass and Alexei's nose starts bleeding. It's so dramatic and you get a good glimpse at the G.D's gowns! ;D
as well as when Rasputin and the family are eating and Nicholas is appalled at Rasputin's
rude
behavior.
::)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Georgiy on January 13, 2005, 02:35:02 PM
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Anyway, what was your fave scene?
mine was when the romanovs were in a cathedral for the 300 years mass


Speaking of that scene, one think that really bothered me was the modern recording of a Liturgy used in the background - to see the 'Imperial Family' solemnly praying for Patriarch Alexey II (the present day Patriarch of Moscow) and the present day government of Russia was quite funny. They could have easily found someone to have chanted that part of the Liturgy using period appropriate prayers - or used a different part of the Liturgy - the Cherubic Hymn could have been appropriate and very poignant: "Let us who mystically portray the Cherubim and chant the thrice-Holy hymn to the life creating Trinity now lay aside all Earthly care." There are plenty of English recordings of Liturgies so easily done.

(I know it is pedantic of me, but to my mind it was a major blooper of the film, which on the whole I found quite moving.)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Janet_W. on January 13, 2005, 03:40:07 PM
Ha! Not pedantic at all, Georgiy!  ;) As we say in the United States--and perhaps elsewhere, too--"BUSTED!!"

Russia might as well produce a film about George Washington, with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" playing in the background while Washington and his troops cross the Delaware.  :D
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Johnny on January 13, 2005, 03:45:17 PM
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Speaking of that scene, one think that really bothered me was the modern recording of a Liturgy used in the background - to see the 'Imperial Family' solemnly praying for Patriarch Alexey II (the present day Patriarch of Moscow) and the present day government of Russia was quite funny. They could have easily found someone to have chanted that part of the Liturgy using period appropriate prayers - or used a different part of the Liturgy - the Cherubic Hymn could have been appropriate and very poignant: "Let us who mystically portray the Cherubim and chant the thrice-Holy hymn to the life creating Trinity now lay aside all Earthly care." There are plenty of English recordings of Liturgies so easily done.

(I know it is pedantic of me, but to my mind it was a major blooper of the film, which on the whole I found quite moving.)

It's no problem to find the old Russian liturgy. Even I have the complete score of the entire liturgy in its original.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Georgiy on January 13, 2005, 03:50:52 PM
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Russia might as well produce a film about George Washington, with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" playing in the background while Washington and his troops cross the Delaware.


I like that! We laugh, but you know, there is probably a film out there somewhere, that has exactly that scene in it!

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It's no problem to find the old Russian liturgy. Even I have the complete score of the entire liturgy in its original.


Exactly. Our Church's books for example are so old, that they include prayers for Heir-apparant Mikhail (Alexandrovich) - too old for the Rasputin film's purposes! Of course we use updated prayers in the Liturgy, but it is not as if it would be impossible to source that sort of stuff, and if it were, then just use a non-time-period-specific part of the Liturgy. Simple that.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Czarevna Colleen on January 16, 2005, 04:29:23 PM
I liked the movie, although I did notice quite a few historical inaccuracies (as you all have noted) and I also preferred Martin Potter's portrayal of Felix Yussopov in N&A.  Alan Rickman was fantastic, but he needed blue contacts!!!!  I liked how it included many other characters that N&A did not, and that it was actually filmed in Russia.  Alexei was portrayed well (and adorably) by Freddie Finlay, and the actresses playing OTMA (with the exception of Marie) were physically well-suited for their roles.  The final scene is so heart-wrenching - we get a glimpse of the panic and fear that the IF must have felt during their last moments.  A great and entertaining movie. :o 8) :'( ;)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Czarevna Colleen on January 16, 2005, 04:46:33 PM
Something interesting:  John Wood, who plays Prime Minsiter Stolypin here, played Colonel Koblinsky in N&A, and Diana Quick, who played the peasant woman Sonya in N&A (killed on Bloody Sunday) played Grand Duchess Ella.  Coincidence?  I think not!!! 8) ;) :D
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: bluetoria on January 25, 2005, 10:38:38 AM
I saw this film again recently & thought it was wonderful! Not being a Rasputin fan, I was still very much touched by the way in which he was portrayed as struggling with the responsibility that he seemed suddenly to acquire. I wasn't sure about the way Alix seemed to turn on him. The only bit I didn't like at all was the pathetic scream as Ella was pushed down the mine. Now, when I think of Rasputin I think of Alan Rickman.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 26, 2005, 07:40:32 PM
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I saw this film again recently & thought it was wonderful! Not being a Rasputin fan, I was still very much touched by the way in which he was portrayed as struggling with the responsibility that he seemed suddenly to acquire. I wasn't sure about the way Alix seemed to turn on him. The only bit I didn't like at all was the pathetic scream as Ella was pushed down the mine. Now, when I think of Rasputin I think of Alan Rickman.


I am the same as to bluetoria's dislike fr Rsaputin, but still, the film almost had me feeling sorry for the ol guy! ;) ??? :D
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: ferngully on January 27, 2005, 07:54:16 AM
well i thought the film was quite good actually and greta scaatchi and ian mckellan were pretty good, but i'm not sure about rasputin and the tsarina having an affair, not sure about that bit, however alan rickman was pretty good i think
selina            xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Georgiy on January 27, 2005, 02:22:22 PM
 ???
But the film didn't suggest the Tsaritsa actually had an affair with Rasputin.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Janet_W. on January 27, 2005, 02:34:22 PM
I haven't yet seen a film that says Alexandra went to Rasputin for anything more than (1) assistance with Alexei's condition and (2) spiritual counseling.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Silja on January 27, 2005, 03:32:19 PM
Apart from Greta Scacchi's the portrayal of Alexandra I quite liked the film.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna on January 27, 2005, 04:16:57 PM
Silja you're so right.

This film was recently shown on BBC2 so I watched it again, tho' having it on dvd.  When seeing it for the first time I thought Alan Rickman playing a bit too exaggerated, his russian accent (also from other actors) annoyed me. But watching the film a few times now I must say Rickman did a good job.
For Ian Mckellen it looked like a routine job- his lines weren't that interesting-yes he had the looks- he played much better parts on stage and other films. Anyone seen his Priest of Love as D.H. Lawrence-superb!
Gretta Scacci wasn't on her best playing Alexandra in my opinion.

Talking about actors who played Rasputin: I thought the Rasputin in Fall of Eagles played by Michael Aldridge, really hilarious. The part wasn't that big, but the heavenly look on his face and the way he walked, made me burst into laughter.  


Anna
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: moonlight_tsarina on January 27, 2005, 07:51:30 PM
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Silja you're so right.

This film was recently shown on BBC2 so I watched it again, tho' having it on dvd.  When seeing it for the first time I thought Alan Rickman playing a bit too exaggerated, his russian accent (also from other actors) annoyed me. But watching the film a few times now I must say Rickman did a good job.
For Ian Mckellen it looked like a routine job- his lines weren't that interesting-yes he had the looks- he played much better parts on stage and other films. Anyone seen his Priest of Love as D.H. Lawrence-superb!
Gretta Scacci wasn't on her best playing Alexandra in my opinion.

Talking about actors who played Rasputin: I thought the Rasputin in Fall of Eagles played by Michael Aldridge, really hilarious. The part wasn't that big, but the heavenly look on his face and the way he walked, made me burst into laughter.  


Anna


Yeah, but i thought Greta didn't very much look like Alix, but they had the same 'fretfullness' to them! When Greta was  like, flustrd in the movie she looked a lot like the real alix.

P.s-where did you get this on dvd? I only have a vhs one, and i didnt lknoww a dvd one was avaible! :o
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna on January 30, 2005, 04:58:03 PM
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P.s-where did you get this on dvd? I only have a vhs one, and i didnt lknoww a dvd one was avaible! :o



I got the dvd from a Dutch bookstore, its region 2 and you need region 1 , sorry couldn't find that. It's available on Amazon but only on vhs for USA.
Maybe other members know if there's a R1 dvd version.

Anna
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: DeAnochka on February 07, 2005, 10:03:59 PM
This is the film that first got me interested in the Romanovs. The film isn't good if you're looking for accuracy, but also remember all of the other poor attempts at making a film about the IF. Yes?

I would say that this one is THE best I've seen so far. Acting wise, Alan Rickman does a beautiful job at portraying the mad monk. I've tried to pick out certain little details about the film and one of the most obvious to me was the eye motif. There was always a key light on his eyes in several scenes as sort of a "tip of the hat" to the idea that Rasputin had these piercing eyes that just burned right through you.

It's difficult for us, as we fancy ourselves guardians of this history, to see a film about the Romanovs. We can just pick these films apart knowing the true historical context. It's painful!

I give the filmmakers their props. As a work of art, I think it's brilliant. The film may not be accurate, as we know, but it sure looks damn good!

It's merely a taste of the real thing.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Denise on February 08, 2005, 11:40:22 AM
I loved this movie.  Ian McKellan was a very convincing Nicholas and I thought Alan Rickman made a wonderful Rasputin.  I liked the sympathetic portrayal of Rasputin's character, instead of the usual over the top Holy Devil.  

It wasn't accurate historically, but I liked how the characters of the historical figures were portrayed.  Especially Alexei.  He was so real.  

I was really glad I was able to get this VHS on Ebay, as it out of print everywhere.  

Denise
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: DeAnochka on February 09, 2005, 11:43:34 PM
I hate the concept of "out of print." Frustrating, really. It seems like eveything I like or want is out of print.

I took my friend's copy of Rasputin to a video copy store and got it copied for about $13. The quality isn't as good as the original tape, but it's better than nothing at all.

"OUT OF PRINT." It's so upsetting!
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Denise on February 10, 2005, 09:34:15 AM
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"OUT OF PRINT." It's so upsetting!


I think that's why God created Ebay and used book stores... :)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: noblepupil on August 11, 2005, 10:58:28 PM
Hi all as said in the Nicholas forum.  This is link to pictures of young actor Freddie Finlay who played a great Alexei in the Film Rasputin.  The most great detailed movie of our favourite family.  The last picture is of when the family is executed. Alexei is reaching for the Tsarina.

Here is the link.

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/polanski/399/ffindlayr.htm
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 12, 2005, 12:35:03 AM
Was that the same movie where Alan Rickman played Rasputin?
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Scott on August 12, 2005, 01:45:19 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: ferngully on August 13, 2005, 06:16:21 AM
he looks a bit like the real alexei i think
:)selina                 xxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Lyss on August 13, 2005, 08:12:57 AM
I remember seeing it a long time ago. What I remembered out of it the most was one scene where Alexey is sick and someone (I think Alx) tells (I think) Maria to fetch someone and that girl actualy looked a lot like the real grandduchess. But is't al so blur and now I can't find pictures from the movie to see if I'm right.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: sailor_of_standart on August 29, 2005, 12:33:27 AM
The scene I can remember is when Nicholas has told Alix what happened about his abdication, Alexei over hears the conversation and returns to the girls who are down the end of a corridor looking confused and scared.   Alexei says in an adult tone to the girls as  he hobbles on his walking stick. "We are all going to die." There is gasps from the girls and the girl playing Maria collapses against the wall and starts to cry.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: sailor_of_standart on September 16, 2005, 12:20:27 AM
I have to say I love this movie I have it on to VHS.  I thought it was great when Rasputin made a scene in that Restruarnt.  It was funny.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna on September 16, 2005, 08:03:28 AM
This movie is already for a long time available on dvd.

Anna
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: ferngully on September 18, 2005, 01:29:36 PM
i taped it but my sister taped over it! >:(
selina                  xxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on September 24, 2005, 09:19:55 AM
I was positively crazy about this movie about 8 years ago. (I worked at the library and reted it at least twice a week). I'm glad I saw it when I did -- the historical 'whoopsies' would make me nuts now.  ;)

Ian McKellan, Alan Rickman & Freddie Finlay were WONDERFUL. As for Greta Scacci? Well, I think she's a great actress, but I don't think she captured all the sides of Alix's personality -- too focused on the anxiety & not enough on the regality. Alix was a force to be reckoned with, and that didn't come through very well in this movie. Her religious devotion was done nicely, though.

Rickman did so well with Rasputin. None of the hokey, overdone hypnotism stuff. His behavior was all over the map, of course, but he managed to thread it all together in a way that doesn't make Rasputin look just plain crazy. Irratic, yet cunning, without being a power-hungry maniac.

And the execution scence is the best I've seen. Let's just say they didn't spare the audience!  :o
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Ortino on September 24, 2005, 11:51:27 PM
Is the movie "Rasputin: Dark Servant of Destiny" the same movie you all are referring to? I was looking at my library for this movie and this (^) is what I came across. It has all the same actors and everything, but I was surprised by the name.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on September 25, 2005, 08:22:47 AM
Yep, that's the one! (At least they saved the corniness for the subtitle ;))
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Grand Duchess Marishka on October 05, 2005, 08:36:27 AM
I saw the one with Christopher Lee and another with Alan Rickman. I particularly liked the one with Alan Rickman, I think it was more realistic than Christopher Lee's, although some facts were altered.
Christopher Lee's portrayal was so focused about him, you rarely saw the family. I own it, but I don't really like it.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Grand Duchess Aleksandria on October 07, 2005, 10:37:22 PM
I think he did a really nice job. He doesn't really have the same face as Alexei, but he has the right hair color and the Russian accent is adorable and adds just the right touch of reality.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: frankie on October 21, 2005, 04:23:19 PM
I´ve got the night gown that Freddie Findlay used in that movie. Its white with and A embroiled on it.

I also have an autograph and a letter he sent me.

I like the movie a lot.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rskkiya on November 20, 2005, 07:09:27 AM
    While I love Alan Rickman, Gretta Schacci and Sir Ian McKellan, I was not that thrilled with this one...[Then again its been years since I saw it....] I cannot really say that I thought McKellan was convincing as Nicholas... :-[ Perhaps its the fact that that I imagine Ian as very sharp, but I don't consider Nicky as all that 'on the ball'.
   Admittedly I've only seen this film in bits and pieces years ago... but having seen so many positive remarks here - I am bound to now try to rent it.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Grishka on November 22, 2005, 03:00:36 PM
Although I adore Alan Rickman's portrayal of Rasputin (it was his performance that got me interested in the entire subject) I have to say that the best film about Rasputin I've seen is the Russian film Agony by Elem Klimov with Aleksei Petrenko playing Rasputin. This is an excellent film and is much more accurate than any film I have yet seen. It was made in 1975 and only released ten years later after being banned by the Russian government supposedly because it gave a too sympathetic view to the czar.

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Silja on December 04, 2005, 08:54:00 AM
And yet the depictions of Alexandra and Anna Viroubova in this film are highly inaccurate. Besides, the actresses in no way resemble the real persons. I wasn't much impressed with this film. Despite it being banned then  it's very much a Soviet film.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on December 04, 2005, 09:52:33 AM
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And yet the depictions of Alexandra and Anna Viroubova in this film are highly inaccurate.


Are you referring to Rasputin, or Agony ???
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Georgiy on December 04, 2005, 06:49:50 PM
I think Silja is referring to 'Agony' - that was the impression I got too. I especially hated them having Alexandra using lines such as 'I hate this country".
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna on December 27, 2005, 12:34:25 PM
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Does anyone know who the lady having the affair with Rasputin was?


The name of the lady was Princess Marisa --- a fictitious character played by the actress Sheila Ruskin ---. It wasn't exactly what I should call an affair, more an act of penance, as Rasputin would say.
The scene was merely to show what impact he had on highborn ladies, in fact on women.

Anna
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Alixz on December 29, 2005, 08:43:07 AM
Amazon has four copies of the VHS tape  Rasputin

They begin around $35 US and go up.  They are all used video store copies.  But IMHO I doubt that it was rented much here in the states, so the copies should be in pretty good condition.  At least the sellers say they are.

I was temped to buy it, but am not sure it is worth the price since you all have such split opinions on it and you have actually seen it.

By the way, Amazon has a disclaimer saying it will not sell this video to anyone under the age of 18.  Must be rate "R"?
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Silja on December 30, 2005, 02:32:52 PM
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I think Silja is referring to 'Agony' -


Agony, yes.

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on January 09, 2006, 04:45:49 PM
I watched this again recently. I still like it.  :)

Here's what the film portrays particularly well, IMO:
1. the tenderness between Nicky & Alix
2. the connection between Aleksei & Alix
3. Rasputin's erratic, yet captivating way of speaking
4. Rasputin's influence on public opinion
5. the execution of the Romanovs
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Tania+ on January 09, 2006, 05:58:48 PM
Thanks for the input Alixz, but reading about him has been enough for me. Seeing a movie about him would not make me feel more of gain to his side, or person. Ugh what a person. I could not and would not pay to see anything more about him !

Tatiana


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Amazon has four copies of the VHS tape  Rasputin

They begin around $35 US and go up.  They are all used video store copies.  But IMHO I doubt that it was rented much here in the states, so the copies should be in pretty good condition.  At least the sellers say they are.

I was temped to buy it, but am not sure it is worth the price since you all have such split opinions on it and you have actually seen it.

By the way, Amazon has a disclaimer saying it will not sell this video to anyone under the age of 18.  Must be rate "R"?

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: lovy on January 19, 2006, 06:05:39 PM
Just rented this movie ... and it was OK. It starts when Aleksei is talking and these men are recovering the bones of the Romanovs in the forest. Then it goes to when Rasputin is a young boy and then 20 years later when he's going to St. Petersburg to heal the ill, young Tsarevich.

It finishes when the Romanovs get executed by the soldiers and it's very sad because it's in slow motion and this sad music plays. Then writing comes up on the screen about the re-burial of the Imperial Family, and how two bodies remain unaccounted for.

My favourite scene is when Nicholas and Alexandra are fooling around by talking about the happy times they had together. However, the scene goes further but the shot breaks away quickly.

I recommend you watch it.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 19, 2007, 09:29:51 PM
are there any screencaps from this movie?
i saw this movie a while ago, and i liked it.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on October 19, 2007, 10:24:46 PM
Here is some pictures from the movie.

(http://www.mckellen.com/images/9011.jpg) Greta and Ian as Alix and Nicholas


(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/rasputinlocket.jpg) A locket with Rasputin's image found in the mass grave of NAOT and Servants in 1991.


(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/rasputin.jpg) Rasputin meeting Alix

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/Razbed.jpg)Rasputin and Aristocratic lady

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/s640x480.jpg)Rasputin all cleaned up


(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/razdead.jpg)  OTMAA and Alix surrounding Rasputin's coffin.


(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/DeadAandN.jpg)
Alix and Nicholas after the shooting. They are laying on the floor of the celler.

These are the only pictures I can find of the movie.  I will see if I can find more.

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 19, 2007, 10:39:51 PM
are there any pics of the girls who played OTMA?
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on October 20, 2007, 12:00:43 AM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/i_love_rasputin/razdead.jpg)  OTMAA and Alix looking at Rasputin in the coffin.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on October 20, 2007, 01:43:29 AM
Go to this link and behind Alexei there is two girls. Olga and Tatiana.

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/polanski/399/ffindlayr.htm
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna11 on October 20, 2007, 01:54:32 AM
Oh I really want to see this movie again! Anyone know where I can download it? Pppppllleeeeaaassse? Not only it's about the imperial family but I am totally in love with Alan Rickman!

And I think Freddy was really, really good as Alexei.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on October 20, 2007, 03:13:23 AM
Alan Rickman is a god!
and yes where could one download this movie?
also i've been trying to find out where to get the lost prince from
does anyone know anything about that movie? or where to find it online
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna11 on October 20, 2007, 03:41:00 AM
Hey! You can get The Lost Prince from forzentears.org
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on October 20, 2007, 06:41:42 AM
Alan Rickman's voice was so incredible in Rasputin. Especially when he said "As the sun rised gently above the waves, you can see the face of God."

  I love how Alexei and Grigori's dialouge of "Is the pain gone?" and Alexei whisper's "Yes"  as the scene returns is the same as the opening scene of  the rolling/moving clouds after the frame of Alexei getting shot. I had tears in my eyes. 
Where any of you moved by it?

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: anna11 on October 20, 2007, 08:47:49 AM
Yes, Alan Rickman has an amazing voice. And the score is also excellent, really beautiful and moving. It's a really well made film actually, probably the most artistic film adaption and the Romanovs.  I love the scene where Alexei gets a blood nose in the church and there's a wide pan of the ceiling, and the blood running down his face. And also last the scene where there's a sideways pan of Alexandra shot in the head and Alexei crawls up to her. It's all so well done.

This is all from memory, from when I hired the video like two years ago just before my video shop threw it out. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I really want to see it again.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on October 20, 2007, 11:59:07 PM
Yes I remember that scene.  I also recall seeing Nicky getting shot and his body is sort of swaying before he hits the ground.  It was a more cleanned up version then the real massacre.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: nena on March 25, 2009, 12:11:33 PM
I watched movie long time ago, and I loved it!  ;) Since, I think, it should be more detailed on Rasputin, since I discovered some mistakes in years, etc.


(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Filmovi/th_605671896.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Filmovi/?action=view&current=605671896.jpg)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Ally Kumari on March 25, 2009, 12:28:19 PM
I loved this movie. But as nena saidtherewere mistakes - andnot onlyin years. For example it showed Imperial family living in Big Catherine palace.....
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on March 25, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
I love this movie!, the Italian actress Greta Scacchi was excellent in the part as Tsarina Alexandra, I have noticed the "little" error of Catherine Palace too.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 25, 2009, 12:42:19 PM
It is a wonderful movie, no doubt, but it does not shed light on  the person Rasputin was - yet tries to tell a more correct story than 'Rasputin and the Empress'. Also there were mistakes, as is said they are shown living in the Winter Palace, and some mistakes in years were made too. For instance Stolypin is shown to be assassinated in 1914, but we all know it was 1911 and then there was another one when Alexandra said something about '12 years of torture' which was so wrong, but I can't remember what year that scene played. Also Alexei mentioned Ella's murder, before the Execution of If, which they of course never knew about - though the scene helps to get the drama a bit higher. Also one example is the haunting scene of the 1913 Celebrations where Alexei has a bleeding, of course for the dramatic sense in this movie, which never happened in reality. But the costumes are wonderful and I loved the recreations of National Gowns etc, for the 1913 Celebrations.

Still this is a great movie, though at first I got annoyed with fact Rasputin is portrayed having a short beard - but Rickman's portrayal makes good much.

Agonya, earlier mentioned, is a more correct Portrayal of Rasputin's life but I still don't really like the portrayal of IF on there(but that's to be discussed in other threads)

A funny detail is that the DVD-cover has 'Rasputin' as title but the movie itself is titled 'La Fin de Romanovs' - which means 'The end of the Romanovs'
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: nena on March 25, 2009, 02:24:05 PM
I agree with you, especially when A.F said something like '12 years of pain'. It is impossible she said it, or even not during regime. Yes, Stolypin was assassinated in 1911.

Generally, one of best non - Russian movies about the Imperial Family.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Imperial_Grounds on March 26, 2009, 04:03:28 PM
Now I know this thread is here to discuss the movie but I just realised I have not posted my MV for this movie and perhaps some would like to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUo4wz6t1sE - It switches from Alexandra's, to Alexei's and Rasputin's point of view
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Father Gregory on August 17, 2009, 03:32:25 PM
I agree that there were many historical errors in the film, but it was certainly a bigger budget film than most on the subject.  Greta Sacchi and Alan Rickman are still A-list actors.  One of the mistakes not mentioned before is that the cars used in the movie were all post-1920.  The seen of the 1913 celebrations was particularly well done, although it looked like the inside of St. Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg.  Does anyone where that scene was filmed?  I'm pretty sure these celebrations were supposed to be in Moscow. 
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Alixz on August 19, 2009, 08:48:30 AM
Imperial Grounds - you still make the best montages I have ever seen.  Heartbreaking and beautiful.

I hope to hear about you making a success of this in your future.
Alixz
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: nena on August 19, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
Imperial Grounds - you still make the best montages I have ever seen.  Heartbreaking and beautiful.

I hope to hear about you making a success of this in your future.
Alixz

Yes, Alixz, I am pretty sure he will.  ;-) And his videos are incredible ones, breathtaking.  :-) Just keep doing.

Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: heavensent on December 27, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
This movie is beginning to look like a classic movie ....

  Alan Rickman   ...    Grigori Rasputin
Greta Scacchi   ...    Tsarina Alexandra
Ian McKellen   ...    Tsar Nicholas II
David Warner   ...    Dr. Botkin
 
( or was it a TV  production ? )
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: edubs31 on December 27, 2012, 10:29:53 AM
What are you asking exactly?

To the best of my knowledge it was an HBO made for TV movie that came out in 1996. It was good overall in my opinion. Rickman was excellent, McKellen did a nice job portraying Nicholas other than the fact that he was a little old to pull off the younger Tsar at the beginning of the film.

Factual errors as always but if memory serves me correctly the end of the film is something of a cliff hanger. Typical for its time and before we had solid indisputable (though some will try still) proof of the fate of the Imperial Family.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on December 27, 2012, 12:34:36 PM
i watched that movie early this year and i loved it.  I liked it very much Greta Scacchi as Alexandra !
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: heavensent on December 27, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
 Hard to believe its not a movie.... its so choc full of  movie star names...Greta Scachi  etc
 but then I remember a  lavish TV production with Lysette Anthony and Sarah Miles
....   about Monte Carlo ....  hard to believe that was  not a  movie either.

Think I'll watch it again and maybe tape some of the music .
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Alixz on December 27, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
David Warner as Dr. Botkin?

I have that movie and have never had the time to sit down with it.

I think I must!
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rudy3 on December 27, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
Here a list of movies on/with Rasputin as a personage:

1917   RASPUTIN, THE BLACK MONK (Peerless/World Film Co) BW. Silent. US.
Dir. Arthur Ashley.
Rasputin – Montague Love.

1917      RASPUTIN (Saturn Film) BW. Silent. Germany.
Dir. Arno.
Rasputin – Fritz Hofbauer.

1917   RASPUTIN (Worldart Films). BW. Silent. Germany.
Dir. Max Neufeld.
Rasputin – Max Neufeld.

1925   RASPUTIN, DAS LIEBESLEBEN DES SONDERBAREN HEILIGEN
Dir. R. Gersik.                              BW. Silent. Austria.
Rasputin – Paul Askonas.
                                        
1928   RASPUTINS LIEBESABENTEUER (Martin-Berger Film). BW. Silent. Germany
AKA: RASPUTIN’S LOVE ADVENTURE; RASPUTIN, THE HOLY DEVIL.
Dir. Martin Berger.
Rasputin – Erwin Kaiser.

1929   RASPUTIN, THE PRINCE OF SINNERS (Momento/Brill) BW. Silent. Germany.
Dir. Nikolai Larin.
Rasputin – Gregori Chmara.

1930   RASPUTIN DAMON DER FRAUEN (Gottschalk Tonfilm). BW Germany.
Dir. Adolph Trotz.
Rasputin – Conrad Veidt.

1932   RASPUTIN AND THE EMPRESS (MGM). BW. US.
Dir. Richard Boleslawsky.
From a story by Charles MacArthur.
Rasputin – Lionel Barrymore.

1938      RASPOUTINE (Flora/Concord). BW. France.
Dir. Marcel L’Herbier.
Based on the novel ”Tragedie Imperiale” by Alfred Neumann.
Rasputin – Harry Baur.

1953      RASPUTIN. France/Italia
Dir. Georges Combret.
Rasputin – Pierre Brasseur.

1960   THE NIGHT THEY KILLED RASPUTIN
(L’ ultimo Zar; Les nuits de Raspoutine). BW. France/Italy.
Dir. Pierre Chenal.
Rasputin – Edmund Purdom.

1965   RAPUTIN – THE MAD MONK. (WS, Hammar)
Dir. Don Sharp.
Rasputin – Christopher Lee.

1967   J’AI TUÉ RASPOUTINE. I KILLED RASPUTIN.
Dir. Robert Hossein.
Rasputin – Gert Frobe.

1975   RASPUTIN (orig. AGONIA). USSR.
Dir. Elem Klimov.
Rasputin – Alexei Petrenko.

1984   RASPUTIN ORGIEN AM ZARENHOF
Dir. Ernst Hofbauer
Rasputin – Alexander Conte

1989   THE LAST NIGHT OF RASPUTIN.
Dir. Eleanor Antin.

1996   RASPUTIN.
Dir. Ulrich Edel.
Rasputin – Alan Rickman.

1997   ANASTASIA. (animation). US.
Dir. Don Bluth.
Rasputin (voice) – Christopher Lloyd.

2010   Rasputin
Dir. Louis Nero
Rasputin – Francesco Cabras

2011   Raspoutine
Dir. Josée Dayan
Rasputin – Gerard Depardieu

????   Raspoutine
Dir. Rose Bosch
Rasputin – Jean Reno
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: heavensent on December 27, 2012, 02:56:41 PM
Ill watch it again  soon,
 Ill try and remember to post some  captures to this thread.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: yussupov29 on January 04, 2013, 12:13:14 PM
I really like this movie, even it's not accurate in every detail. Good actors and beautiful settings.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on January 04, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
I watched the Alan Rickman Rasputin 42 times in high school and college. And then I stopped counting. Now it's harder for me to ignore the factual errors, but it's still my favorite English-language Romanov film. I think they did an especially good job of capturing the relationships between the tsar, the empress, and Aleksei.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: heavensent on January 04, 2013, 06:19:39 PM
Must be  50 times by now.... you must have the complete dialogue committed to memory !

(cant really think of any  Rasputin  type figure in the  Marie Antoinette saga )
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Sarushka on January 05, 2013, 07:08:04 AM
you must have the complete dialogue committed to memory !

Come closer... Do you know what you have found? This skull was once my mother's. These bones were once my family. The blood our family spilled marked the beginning of the most violent century the world has ever known. Mama, why did they hate us so much? And why did they hate our friend, Father Grigorii Rasputin? He was my savior, my Merlin, my wizard. Father Grigorii was magic...


(Couldn't resist.)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: edubs31 on January 05, 2013, 10:09:01 AM
Haha, good stuff Sarushka!

I find Alan Rickman, in particular, irresistibly quotable. Although it's usually 'Die Hard' lines for me :-)

It never came out on DVD to the best of my knowledge and it looks like Amazon wants to sell it to us for $200. Fortunately it looks like you can watch it on YouTube in its entirety. Starting here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLmpPtche_Y
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Alixz on January 05, 2013, 07:23:02 PM
It must have come out on DVD at some point because I have it.  HBO Pictures.

The back cover information is written in Dutch, but the movie is in English.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: edubs31 on January 05, 2013, 08:17:10 PM
Interesting. I don't see it available on DVD anywhere...standard issue at least and even one of the threads on IMDB is dedicated to the topic. People complaining that they can't get the movie on DVD. I guess it's just special order at this point.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: Alixz on January 06, 2013, 01:57:35 AM
I don't remember how long ago I got it or where.

I also have Agony which is another Rasputin movie that I haven't watched yet.

Did anyone try the HBO website?  Sometimes they sell their own stuff. I know that there are times when it is almost impossible to get a Warner Brothers movie, but they often have them on their website. It is always catch as catch can.
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: heavensent on January 06, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
 Bit disappointed in the soundtrack, you d think with all that fab  Russian music to pick from
we could have had something better.... all we get is mood music.

(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1304/rasputinnntntnntnnt15.jpg) (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/rasputinnntntnntnnt15.jpg/)

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/317/rasputinnntntnntnnt5.jpg) (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/rasputinnntntnntnnt5.jpg/)(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5896/rasputinnntntnntnnt10.jpg) (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/rasputinnntntnntnnt10.jpg/)

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9205/rasputinnntntnntnnt9.jpg) (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/rasputinnntntnntnnt9.jpg/)(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2125/rasputinnntntnntnnt7.jpg) (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/rasputinnntntnntnnt7.jpg/)
Title: Re: Rasputin - The Movie Alan Rickman
Post by: rosieposie on February 15, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
I think Ian Mckellen did a good job protraying Nicholas and with Greta they had very good chemistry.  (Even though Ian is homosexual)  I did like the scene where Nicholas and Alexandra were remembering when they were splashed by sailors (I think it was sailors or fishermen) when they went rowing.   Also Rasputin had developed my crush on Mr Rickman.   That voice is so sensual.