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Discussions about Russian History => Imperial Succession and the Throne => Topic started by: Katya04 on September 22, 2004, 12:06:51 PM

Title: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Katya04 on September 22, 2004, 12:06:51 PM
So if he has to marry an "equal" person what does that mean? Will he have to marry, say, Marie of Sweden? Will the daughter of a lesser British duke be good enough? How about another deposed house like his mom used? And could somebody please post a picture of what he looks like now.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on September 22, 2004, 02:24:51 PM
A daughter of a non-royal duke would not be considered equal. She would have to be either a member of a royal house to be absolutely equal, or as you mentioned, someone from a non-reigning house. She would also need to have some capital.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: HRHLaurie1894 on September 22, 2004, 04:59:48 PM
Perhaps Madelaine of Sweden??  
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Merrique on September 22, 2004, 08:07:08 PM
SHHHHH,don't let Terrence hear that.lol :o :) :D ;D
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: nerdycool on September 23, 2004, 12:48:39 AM
Lol.... I kinda think it's funny how often Madeleine's name is mentioned now... you'd think that there aren't any other princesses in the world anymore!

Anyway, here's a page which lists some of the princesses in the world, listed by decade excluding the 90's till present. http://www.nettyroyal.nl . On the left side, there's a link titled "Princesses". Click on that and voila! I know there are more not listed, so there are more to choose from.

But I haven't seen a recent photo of George in a while either.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Annie on September 23, 2004, 11:08:46 AM
Thanks for that link Nerdycool, it's very interesting in lots of ways! Here's a link that has a pic of grown up George on it, it wouldn't let me post just the pic. Scroll down to the bottom.

http://www.dergava.tomsk.ru/russian/cronics/man_monastir/index1.html
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Katya04 on September 25, 2004, 01:21:32 PM
Anybody know if he's got a girlfriend now?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Olga on September 26, 2004, 12:56:31 AM
And do you want to know the colour of his underwear aswell? Let him have some privacy.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Dasha on September 26, 2004, 11:47:48 PM
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And do you want to know the colour of his underwear aswell? Let him have some privacy.



I totally agree.  He is a human just like us and therefore deserves to have certain details of his life left just that...private.  I think Prince William has summed it up very well:

"I like to keep my private lfe private".  Georgy and all other celebrities, royal or not, deserve some room to breathe and enjoy their lives.  Good point Olga.

This is not an attack.  Just my rant in general.

Dasha
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Olga on September 27, 2004, 03:09:21 AM
Balshoye spasiba, Dasha.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Dasha on September 27, 2004, 07:20:57 PM
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Balshoye spasiba, Dasha.


Nyet problem Olga

Dasha
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: apple on October 02, 2004, 10:39:40 AM
Recent pictures of Georgy:

http://www.ifrance.com/archivesgotha/xrus1.html

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2003/socialdiary06_26_03.php

http://213.215.144.81/public_html/cafonal/cafonal_182.html
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: pushkina on October 02, 2004, 09:36:53 PM
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Recent pictures of Georgy:

http://www.ifrance.com/archivesgotha/xrus1.html

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2003/socialdiary06_26_03.php

http://213.215.144.81/public_html/cafonal/cafonal_182.html



isn't it fascinating how georgy surfaces at parties taht some would define as "eurotrash" (mid-level royals whose parties are "sponsored" by luxury goods houses) but the other romanovs (the denmark romanvos, i.e.)  are seen at such first tier functions as the recent weddigns of CP Fred and the pce of asturias?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Annie on October 03, 2004, 12:42:57 PM
I'm sorry but I think some of you were too hard on Katya. That's the kind of thing that scares newbies away. She only asked an honest question, I don't see it as any more intrusive than anything else here. It's all just speculation anyway. And one of you who criticized her for being too personal simply asking if he had a girlfriend sure didn't mind joking over 'merkins' in another thread. I think that was too personal and out of line, so pot calling the kettle black. Sorry I don't want to fight but that bothered me.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Annie on October 03, 2004, 01:00:07 PM
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isn't it fascinating how georgy surfaces at parties taht some would define as "eurotrash" (mid-level royals whose parties are "sponsored" by luxury goods houses) but the other romanovs (the denmark romanvos, i.e.)  are seen at such first tier functions as the recent weddigns of CP Fred and the pce of asturias?


Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know the difference. That is interesting! He sure grew up better looking than he was as a kid. Looks like he's having a good time.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Arleen on October 03, 2004, 03:57:46 PM
Hi Apple, Thanks for the New York Society Diary web site.....the pictures of George there are great.....he has turned into a good looking man with a beautiful woman on his arm.  I always thought maybe he would ALWAYS look like that fat kid he use to be!!  So he is rich and apparently aimless....who cares, he is never going to be Tsar.  He might as well enjoy his life as best he can.  Too bad he is not popular enough for us to be reading about him in People Magazine. Somehow I have never even thought about him seriously as a Romanov...it is the other branch of the family that I love.....Arleen
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 03, 2004, 11:13:13 PM
George is neither rich nor aimless. His aunt Helen Kirby has money, but George works for a living. George is not aimless - he has a career and eventually will be head of the Imperial House - at least in some people's opinion.

And, I have news for you, many parties that celebs attend are paid for by other people - it's no disgrace in this day and age.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy?
Post by: pushkina on October 05, 2004, 07:26:42 AM
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... but George works for a living. George is not aimless - he has a career...


what does he do?  and where did he study?

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And, I have news for you, many parties that celebs attend are paid for by other people - it's no disgrace in this day and age.


yes, i know. what i meant was that one does not see him at some "top drawer" royal events, such as the recent wedding of CP frederick; the danish romanovs were there,  or even at the spanish wedding, where the former empress farah diba was in attendance and held in madrid, his "home town."
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: pushkina on October 05, 2004, 07:34:25 AM
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So if he has to marry an "equal" person what does that mean? Will he have to marry, say, Marie of Sweden?  


according to nicholas romanov's writings on his website, the almanach de gotha, with its arrangement of all the royal (princely and grand ducal) families and was the definitive guide when it came to romanovs looking for marriage partners.

perhaps he would have to start there to find an eligible partner?  but no, that was before everybody lost their "jobs". or maybe  not?

poor guy: it's hard enough to find a partner without all the ancestral constraints...there was a very cute pic i saw of one of the norwegian princesses (i think) kissing a frog which served as a good illustration, i thought, of the modern dilemma in finding a mate [you have to kiss a LOT of frogs before finding a prince!].  
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Robert_Hall on October 05, 2004, 09:57:47 AM
Georgy is an Oxford lad. I believe I was told his career is in banking. [he is interning in a London bank, anyway].
He usually attends "first tier" royal events with his mother, the Grand Duchess Maria. She was at the recent royal weddings. Arturo would know if he was with her. [he told me the GD was, at least].
They are at most of these things, the photographers  just do not normally rush after them, nor do they seek them out..
Cheers,
Robert
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Aliard on October 20, 2004, 05:48:14 PM
Remember, dethroned royals are fine in the eyes of the succesion rules, so he actually has quite a range to pick from.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Namarolf on October 22, 2004, 05:47:19 PM
If he is the head of the house, couldn't he marry anyone and make her a Grand Duchess?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on October 22, 2004, 10:38:10 PM
He couldn't - unlike his grandfather - his mother is head of house and she, not he would have to declare her equal.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Annie on October 24, 2004, 05:52:19 PM
What would be the difference between declaring his potentially unequal partner equal and making any of the other Romanovs she picks on for not being equal equal? It all seems so pointless, even silly right now.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Namarolf on October 25, 2004, 06:26:29 PM
Most people in Europe and America have at least one royal ancestor... I guess anyone could say "Oh well Miss X family comes from Sitting Bull, so she is a royal. Certainly, her mother was not a royal, but the Sioux royal family rules didnt forbid non-royal marriages, so Miss X is a real Sioux princess, an equal to Georgy and a very suitable candidate for becoming Grand Duchess X".

However, it would be much more interesting to see what could happen if Georgy decides to marry one of his despised "Romanovsky", "non-equal" cousins. Very unlikely of course, but I wonder what his mom would say...

Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: James_Davidov on November 03, 2004, 09:33:31 PM
Ok, I tend to avoid the whole current Romanov family thing; I don’t find it that interesting and haven’t ever been in this section of the forum, but this topic got my attention.  Firstly, if the monarchy were to be-reinstated, It's just reckless to suggest a return to autocracy, saying this I do believe that a monarchy could be positive for Russia, but an autocratic government could be disastrous (for any nation)!  
Now if Georgy was at any point to be installed as Emperor, I think that people would not be overly concerned with the level of his marriage, you have to remember, a key role in monarchy now days is ‘celebrity’, and people are no longer willing to support a house which is close doff to any idea of marriage to its citizens.  Houses like Norway, Denmark, and even the Windsor (I think it was the Queen’s niece who recently married a New Zealand Maori Islander she met in Bali) have demonstrated that they understand that their citizens no longer care for or appreciate strict ‘royal blood’ marriage laws.  Also if Georgy was to marry a common Russian women, it would further his cause as head of state. Remember, the Romanov’s have had no direct Russian blood for centuries,  a marriage to an average Russian girl would strengthen the monarchy’s position in Russian society to an overwhelming extent.  As an Australian, I can tell you Crown Princess Mary (who was from Tasmania of all places) and her marriage to Crown Prince Frederick (which was televised live on three different stations!) has provoked a wave of royalist support for the Danish House.  I would estimate there is far more support for our Aussie princess than our British Queen and the house of Windsor, and most would prefer having a Danish Monarch as head of state, then the Windsor’s.  People want to see their monarchs and royal families marry commoners, and the Romanov house would be wise to consider this.  However most importantly, I believe that if Georgy was to marry, it would have to be a woman he had a legitimate relationship with, (Prince Charles and Diana had a poor relationship and the results of that have been disastrous for the House, no to mention the countless historical figures that have been in similar positions).  A royal marriage based on love (I know that sounds really corny), would enable Georgy to fulfill his role to the best of his ability, whether it be as head of a non-ruling house, or one day the Tsar.  A marriage to a non-royal, particularly a Russian, would provide the Russian population with a link to its former house, and, especially if it were founded on a true relationship, a symbol of national pride, whether it’s a princess, commoner, Russian or even a man!

PS> Leave Katya04 alone!!!!!, it was a perfectly reasonable question, he is a public figure, and a lesser known one, I presume the House would desire  as much attention as possible.

PSS> Sorry ths is so long, got a lil carried away :P
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Ksenia on November 07, 2004, 08:40:18 AM
Hi James ! I was just reading your last post and it made me think. Yes I think to, if that Georgy was to marry a Russian Commoner, it would indeed strengthan the monarchy (bareing in mind if it ever was to be restored) . Quite a few people have wonder why, and how commers could marry into the English Royal Family. Well after the war, King George V set down a law saying that his children could marry common engish people. This would be to make the family more 'english' in a sense.  ;)
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: James_Davidov on November 07, 2004, 09:09:49 AM
Ksenia

Thanxs for the Windsor info, does that mean Prince William can easily marry a commoner??

I also read yesterday in my sisters marie clair :-[ :-[ :-[lol,  that Russian women make up the majority of the population, i know that its a global fact, but i think its much higher in Russia.  This is a benefit for the house, because I think Russian women would be more willing to support the house if there was like a whole 'fairytale romance' thing going on, not that men wouldn't, or that women would, but u know what i mean :P....
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Ksenia on November 07, 2004, 09:27:23 AM
Yeah I know what you mean James  ;) Yeah William can marry a common person, by law.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on November 07, 2004, 05:37:45 PM
I kind of hate being practical here, but it's my nature, so here goes:

William could marry anyone he wants, but he probably won't. Instead, he will likely marry someone from the aristocracy or maybe even a foreign royal, but definitely someone who can stand up to the "gray men" or the marriage will be sunk before it starts.

Georgy cannot marry anyone he wants, but he needs to marry well anyway. He needs someone of equal rank, and he needs someone with money or access to money. Is there anyone who can fit this bill? Don't know. But, let us just ponder what will happen if he fails to marry well.

If he fails to marry at all, the "Imperial" dynasty goes extinct upon his and Maria V's deaths. Finito, finished, the end, buh-bye.

What happens if he marries a commoner? Well, the Vladimirovichi are then in a weird position. They have based exclusion of the rest of the family on their "unequal marriages". Maria V has said she thinks the concept of equal marriage is anachronistic (I happen to agree with her, FWIW), so she could in theory abolish it as a requirement for the one remaining dynast, Georgy. However, this might errode the respect she enjoys among Russian monarchists and others.

However, I do think if Georgy does not marry or marries unequally, that is a good chance for the family to reconcile.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Teddy on December 28, 2004, 03:42:29 AM
I think Georgi will marry someone of not equal rank!

Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Teddy on December 28, 2004, 03:48:39 AM
The only time that I heard that Georgi was among equal Royalty was at the wedding of the Crown Prince of Spain this Year. His Mother was certainly there.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on December 28, 2004, 02:27:17 PM
While Maria V and Georgy do not employ a publicist, it is my understanding that they are a regular part of European royal occasions.

Teddy, if Georgy does not marry equally, it will cause the problems I've outlined in a previous post. It is my hope that he is able to find a life partner who will share his hopes and dreams. Then again, I wish this for everyone!
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: etonexile on March 06, 2005, 05:25:59 PM
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He couldn't - unlike his grandfather - his mother is head of house and she, not he would have to declare her equal.



I know I'm jumping into the middle of a conversation...but how can a woman be head of the House of Romanov?...The Salic Law and all that?...If one can play that game...aren't the progeny of the sisters of the late Czar Nicholas then the true heirs of the Imperial throne of the Russias?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: kmerov on March 06, 2005, 06:04:22 PM
Very short and not taking the family split in account. Maria V is Head of the family, because there isnt any male dynast left, due to morganatic marriages.
Also she is Head of the family because her father was head of the family. The woman closest to the last "emperor" or HOF, becomes HOF, when there are no male dynasts!
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 06, 2005, 06:06:51 PM
And, the Romanov family law is not based on the Salic principal. It is called the "Pauline Law". As set out by him in the Fundamental Laws.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on March 15, 2005, 12:34:38 PM
Could George marry one of the York Princess or would Sarah Furgeson rule them out as an "equal marriage" because she is a commoner who married a Royal Duke?

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marlene on March 15, 2005, 01:45:01 PM
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Could George marry one of the York Princess or would Sarah Furgeson rule them out as an "equal marriage" because she is a commoner who married a Royal Duke?

TampaBay


Yes, it would be an equal marriage as the marriage was approved, and Sarah had royal rank - and Beatrice's rank comes from her father.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marc on March 31, 2005, 12:58:01 PM
And would it be equal if George marries a ''lesser'' Countess from an ''equal'' mediatized House(Harrach,Erbach-Erbach,Erbach-Fuerstenau,Soms-Sonnenwalde,Solms-Roedelheim und Assenheim etc families)?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Robert_Hall on March 31, 2005, 01:14:03 PM
Any mediatized house would be equal, I believe. But this whole "equal marriage" business is dangerously anachronistic and reactionary.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marc on March 31, 2005, 05:55:03 PM
I was not so sure because of Prussia/Harrach-Liegnitz(mediatized house and at the time this marriage ocured Harrach family were still imediatized witch meant they still reigned)marriage for example witch was not considered equal and was by all technical things equal!So,you never know..that's why I asked!
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on March 31, 2005, 10:26:24 PM
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I was not so sure because of Prussia/Harrach-Liegnitz(mediatized house and at the time this marriage ocured Harrach family were still imediatized witch meant they still reigned)marriage for example witch was not considered equal and was by all technical things equal!So,you never know..that's why I asked!


It is up to Grand Duchess Maria to determine if a prospective bride is "equal" or not. Don't know much about mediatized houses and the Romanovs.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marc on April 01, 2005, 04:52:21 AM
One example:Grand Duchess Maria Kirilovna married Prince Karl von Leiningen-who was from a mediatized house!
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on April 05, 2005, 01:41:55 AM
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One example:Grand Duchess Maria Kirilovna married Prince Karl von Leiningen-who was from a mediatized house!


Yes, and she may decide to be guided by this - or not. It is still up to Maria Vladimirovna as to whether or not a prospective bride is equal or not. That's how the FL was written.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marc on April 05, 2005, 04:50:42 AM
Is Prince George(or as a son of the current head of the House Grand Duke George) also a Prince of Prussia(Hohenzollern)?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Macedonsky on April 05, 2005, 01:02:21 PM
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Is Prince George(or as a son of the current head of the House Grand Duke George) also a Prince of Prussia(Hohenzollern)?

Yes, he is Prince of Prussia and Prussian Royal Highness.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Marc on April 05, 2005, 04:54:13 PM
Wow,now I wonder how many titles does this guy has?All the Romanov titles(Dukes von Holstein-Gottorp...) and Hohenzollern titles...He might need a vacation just for official signature  :)
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on April 05, 2005, 07:18:29 PM
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Yes, and she may decide to be guided by this - or not. It is still up to Maria Vladimirovna as to whether or not a prospective bride is equal or not. That's how the FL was written.



What is the FL?

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 05, 2005, 07:56:03 PM
Family Law
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on April 05, 2005, 08:45:58 PM
Thank you Lord Robert!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Macedonsky on April 06, 2005, 01:32:27 AM
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What is the FL?

"The Code of Fundamental State Laws" is the name of Part I of the Volume I of Code of Laws of the Russian Empire.

Contained 2 Sections:
Section I - "The Fundamental State Laws"
Section II - "The Statute on the Imperial Family".

Section I includes, in last edition, 11 chapters:
1. Supreme Autocratic Power
2. Order of Succession to the Throne
3. Minority of the Sovereign and Regency
4. Accession and Oath
5. Crowning and Annoitment
6. Title of the Sovereign and State Coat of Arms
7. Religion
8. Rights and Obligations of Russian subjects
9. Laws
10. State Council and State Duma
11. Council of Ministers
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on May 27, 2005, 12:16:14 PM
Could someone please post a current picture of Prince/Grand Duke George.

Thanks,

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on August 15, 2005, 10:10:19 AM
Anybody have any idea who GD George may marry or who his mother GD Marie would like to see him marry?

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Finelly on August 15, 2005, 03:01:04 PM
Who are the current eligible royal women who are also Orthodox?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 15, 2005, 06:51:24 PM
The Prince is not required to select a charming young lady who is Orthodox.  The young lady must become Orthodox either at the time of their marriage or shortly thereafter, as was the case of his father.  The reception of the heterodox into Orthodoxy is a relatively simple process and is can be down through either confession and communion for a Roman Catholic, or through the anointing by the Holy Oils of a Protestant, as was the case with the Dowager Empress, and as was the case with Alexandra Feodorovna.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Finelly on August 15, 2005, 07:05:20 PM
Again, who are the candidates who are Orthodox?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 15, 2005, 07:25:29 PM
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Anybody have any idea who GD George may marry or who his mother GD Marie would like to see him marry?

TampaBay


Dear Tampa Bay,

Let's look at where they live and whom they frequent and that should give you an idea.

1.  The Dowager Grand Duchess, The Grand Duchess and the "Poclednik" live in Madrid as a grace-and-favor of Queen Sophia of Spain, a relative of the Imperial Family.

      The Prince has been well-introduced into the Spanish Royal Family and the extended Spanish Royal Family as well as the Spanish nobility.

       The Grand Duchess and the Poclednik also maintain a very nice apartment in Paris on the Place Vendome (it doesn't get much better than that).  However, the Naclednik is NOT very close to any of the Russian emigre community in Paris and from what I understand is not involved with any of the charming  young ladies who belong to it.

2.   The Grand Duchess's "afranchissement" from her German husband was not a pleasant one, and the Dowager Grand Duchess did not approve at all of her marriage to a German.  The Grand Duchess has repeatedly steered the Prince away from any involvement with Germanic types.

3.   There are two places where you shoud look like.  The Prince is an anglophile (poor Russia, again), who has begun working in London as an investment banker.  Because of the Grand Duchess's excellent relations with Buckingham Palace, they have "entree" into the London "A" list.  I am giving you a big hint from private information -- look here......

4.  The other place is Italy.  The Prince is an italophile also and frequently spends much time in Italy.  He has known to frequent young charming Italian countess's and others of good family, particularly from the Milan area.  A second big hint I am giving you --- look here.

Can you get your hands on the magazine "Vue et Images du Monde"?  If you can, your answer will be right in front of your eyes.  It's not available online in any way shape or form.


With all the best from Shanghai,


A.A.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Arleen on August 15, 2005, 08:02:36 PM
Something from "Vue et Images du Monde" comes up on line....but I just don't have time to look into it right now.....

..A
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: David_Pritchard on August 15, 2005, 10:08:32 PM
A large colour photograph of Grand Duke George appeared in the magazine Vanity Fair in the September 2003 issue. I hesitate to post a scan of this photograph as it is surely under international copyright.

David
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Macedonsky on August 15, 2005, 11:26:59 PM
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The reception of the heterodox into Orthodoxy is a relatively simple process and is can be down through either confession and communion for a Roman Catholic, as was the case with Alexandra Feodorovna

Sorry, but are you sure that she was Roman Catholic?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 16, 2005, 12:51:59 AM
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Sorry, but are you sure that she was Roman Catholic?


Mackendonsky,

Agronmoe vam cpacibo.  It was the poor construction of my English sentence.  I do not believe that she was Roman Catholic at all, but I could be wrong.  I thought that she was a "luteranka".  But either or, her reception into the Orthodox Church would have been the same.  She would have been annointed with the Holy Oils, then she would have confessed and communied.

Izto rz, cpacibo.  Inagda ya ozhibaiyouc.  

With all the best from Shanghai,

A.A.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Macedonsky on August 16, 2005, 12:52:12 AM
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1.  The Dowager Grand Duchess, The Grand Duchess and the "Poclednik" live in Madrid as a grace-and-favor of Queen Sophia of Spain, a relative of the Imperial Family.

Not "poslednik" but "naslednik".
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 16, 2005, 01:24:01 AM
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Something from "Vue et Images du Monde" comes up on line....but I just don't have time to look into it right now.....

..A



Dear Arleen,

I cannot find "Vue et Images du Monde" (meaning the magazine published every week in Paris on line).   There many listings here but not that one.

With all of the best,

A.A.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 16, 2005, 01:25:28 AM
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Not "poslednik" but "naslednik".


Excuse me, Makedonsky, but it was a play on words.  Panyatna?

Nas vs. pos.

Thank you for pointing it out to me.

As the French say, "donnant, donnant".

A.A.


Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Arleen on August 16, 2005, 10:31:16 AM
Alex, I used Google and ever so many listings came up....

Best,
Arleen
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Arleen on August 16, 2005, 10:44:02 AM
There are many times that I feel so illiterate because I do not know other languages besides English.  This is one of them.

..Arleen
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: AlexP on August 16, 2005, 10:48:18 AM
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There are many times that I feel so illiterate because I do not know other languages besides English.  This is one of them.

..Arleen


Dearest Arleen,

No, please don't say that.  Look, I speak French.  I also did a google search.  It threw up about 1000 exact matches and I had to read through most of them to discover that none related to the magazine in question.

And I will continue to look to assist you to find it here.

With all the kindest regards from Shanghai,


A.A.

Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on August 16, 2005, 02:46:49 PM
AlexP

Thanks for the information.  I will research & investigate.

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on September 20, 2005, 08:46:24 AM
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A large colour photograph of Grand Duke George appeared in the magazine Vanity Fair in the September 2003 issue. I hesitate to post a scan of this photograph as it is surely under international copyright.

David


I have this edition of Vanity Fair. Excellent photo of GD George, excellent photos of other Royals and excellent edition of Vanity Fair overall-one of their better-if you like Royals.

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Seth Leonard on October 23, 2005, 08:11:53 PM
I think that Maria should seriously consider marrying George off to either HRH Princess Altinaï of Montenegro (b. 1977) or maybe even to HRH Princess Theodora of Greece (b. 1983). While Theodora is the more royal of the two, they both are of good Slavic (country, not ancestry), Orthodox dynasties.

Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Seth Leonard on October 23, 2005, 08:18:52 PM
I prefer Altinaï as that royal house is heading in the direction of extinction.

If Maria is looking for a girl with money, however, and she doesn't mind her son marrying a German, then she could consider HSH Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis (b. 1982?). I mean her brother's a billionare, surely she'd bring a large dowry, that is if they still do that kind of thing.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: imperial angel on March 03, 2006, 11:37:09 AM
It should be interesting to see who he marries or if he marries. If he does, it is more than likely to be someone of equal blood, like some of the princesses mentioned, than not. If he does not marry at all, then that line of Sucession is over. So it is rather imperative that he does. As for someone of unequal blood, he might want to, but I think he would be steered away from that, as his is the only Branch of the former Romanov dynasty that is still fully royal by the laws of the house. An unequal marriage would harm that. Anyway, it certainly is difficult to find a suitable marriage partner in this day and age, but even more so when you are royalty with so many requirements of a future wife. As for Prince William, he is more free to marry whom he likes.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Teddy on March 10, 2006, 03:33:32 PM
Why would Georgi marry someone of equal blood?

Nowadays, even rulling Royal Houses, don't marry with someone else, who is Royalty or is coming from a noble family.
Why would Georgy? Its such an old law.

Why marry egually if it is just an old, stupid rule? Only for the claim?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: imperial angel on March 14, 2006, 11:11:34 AM
Probably only for the claim, that is rather likely. It is a rather important part of the claim. Anyway, the marriage laws have never been changed, although one wonders if the Romanov dynasty would have ruled longer, those rules would have been changed. But as it happened, they weren't.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 14, 2006, 04:17:16 PM
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I think that Maria should seriously consider marrying George off to either HRH Princess Altinaï of Montenegro (b. 1977) or maybe even to HRH Princess Theodora of Greece (b. 1983). While Theodora is the more royal of the two, they both are of good Slavic (country, not ancestry), Orthodox dynasties.


Because of the strong relations between the Montenegrian Royal House and the other Romanov claimants, a princess from Montenegro is an unlikely choice. A Greek princess would be very well received in Russia and would be a great match.

David
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: David_Pritchard on March 14, 2006, 04:28:29 PM
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I prefer Altinaï as that royal house is heading in the direction of extinction.

If Maria is looking for a girl with money, however, and she doesn't mind her son marrying a German, then she could consider HSH Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis (b. 1982?). I mean her brother's a billionare, surely she'd bring a large dowry, that is if they still do that kind of thing.


HSH Princess Elisabeth Margarete Maria Anna Beatriz von Thurn und Taxis born at Regensburg, Germany on  24 March 1982 would be an excellent choice.

David
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: TampaBay on March 30, 2006, 05:30:28 AM
I doubt this German princess would change her religion.  She is Roman Catholic and George must marry an Orthodox princess.

TampaBay
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Emilia on March 31, 2006, 09:06:54 AM
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I doubt this German princess would change her religion.  She is Roman Catholic and George must marry an Orthodox princess.

TampaBay

Especially as her mother is a devoted catholic and close to the Pope...
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: frimousse on May 16, 2006, 07:16:41 PM
And if he marries the daughter of a super super rich Russian oligarch ??

  ;D
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on May 17, 2006, 03:24:59 PM
Then the Imperial House will essentially be through. Because marriage to someone not of royal descent and not a member of a dynasty would be considered unequal.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Bach on August 19, 2006, 10:51:28 AM
Perdon me for bringing this up, and believe me, it's not scandal-mongering, but has Georgy been linked with any female to date?  He's in his early twenties and surely must have formed some attachments.

There aren't a lot of "eligible" (meaning Orthodox, equal-house, child-bearing age) females about that have enough money to support Georgy in the style that his half-aunt's inheritance has accustomed him to having, and to which his mother's pretensions compel him.

To whom has he been linked?  The only photos I've seen him with women are the typical Euro-trash "all the fun people play together" where he's gyrating away with a cluster of sweaty men and scantily-clad women.  Hope he's not with either of those groups.  But I haven't seen much either way.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 19, 2006, 12:22:46 PM
Georgiy is still rather young and his selection of a marital partner is of more import than it is for the rest of us. It is my understanding that he is a healthy young man. His partner must have appropriate royal pedigree and be willing to marry him. I also think she needs to have considerable assets of money and property.

I wish him well, and agree with David a T& T princess would make an excellent choice.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: amcbelladonna on June 20, 2009, 06:56:20 AM
why not a femail direct decent from the house of rurik either from the house of obolensky like  xenia obolensky b 1985 or Pss Anna, *Moscow 11.7.1984
or  Pss Elisaveta, *Moscow 8.3.1986 from the house of trubetskoy both of these houses are decended from the house or rurik
the first rulling family from russia
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: amcbelladonna on June 20, 2009, 07:02:33 AM
or even from the house of galitzine Pss Xenia, *Summit 23.5.1983
 Pss Tatiana, *Santa Clara 16.8.1984
Pss Alexandra, *San Jose 7.8.1986
 Pss Maria, *Luxembourg 11.5.1988
this is the list of decent for the house of galitzine from the frist prince of russia

Rurik, konung of Novgorod and Ladoga (862-879), +879 (for his identity see NOTE); m.Efanda/Sfandra/Ingrid of Norway, sister of Helgu/Oleg (+912), konung of Novgorod and Kiev; They had issue:
A1. Ingvar/Igor "the Old", konung of Novgorod and Kiev (912-945/6), *877, +killed nr Iskorosten 945/946; m.St.Helga/Olga of Pskov (*ca 903 +969), regent in Kiev (945-964)), she was baptised in Constantinople and received the name Elena
B1. Svyatoslav I, konung of Novgorod and Kiev (945/6-972), *ca 942, +killed by Pechenegs 972; 1m: Predslava (a Bohemian woman); 2m: Malusha (*ca 944 +1002), a household servant of his mother
C1. [1m.] Yaropolk I, Pr of Kiev (972-980), *961, +murdered in Kiev 980; m.NN, a Greek nun
D1. Svyatopolk I "the Accursed", Pr of Turov, Great Pr of Kiev (1015)+(1017-19), *980, +on the way to Poland, after the battle on Alta River 1019; m.ca 1013 N, dau.of Boleslav I of Poland
C2. [1m.] Oleg, Pr of Iskorosten (972-977), +k.a.977
C3. [2m.] Saint Vladimir I "Velikiy" "the Great", Pr of Novgorod (972-980), Great Pr of Kiev (980-1015), *ca 958, +Berestovo 15.7.1015; 1m: in Scandinavia btw 977-980 Olava (Eiriksdottir?) of Sweden; 2m: ca 977 (div 986, from 989 a nun) Rogneda/Ragnheid Ragnvaldsdottir of Norway (*ca 956 +1002 as a nun), dau.of Pr Rogvolod of Polotzk; 3m: Malfrida N (+1002) a Bohemian woman; 4m: Adela N, Bulgarian woman; 5m: Crimea 988 Anna Porphyrogeneta of Byzantium (*13.3.963, +1011); 6m: 1012 N (+1019), dau.of Duke Konrad I of Swabia by Rechlind of Germany
D1. [1m./4m.] Vysheslav, Pr of Novgorod (988-1010), +1010
D2. [2m.] Izyaslav, Pr of Polotzk (988-1001), *980/981, +1001; for his descendants see HERE
D3. [2m.] Vsevolod, Pr of Vladimir-Volynsk (988-995), +ca 995
D4. [2m.] Yaroslav I "Mudriy" "the Wise", Pr of Rostov (988-1010), Pr of Novgorod (1013-15), Great Pr of Kiev (1015-17)+(1019-54), *ca 986, +20.2.1054, bur St.Sophia Cathedral; 1m: Saint Anna (+1018, bur St.Sophia Cathedral); m.1019 Pss Ingigerd Olafsdottir of Sweden (+10.2.1050, bur St.Sophia Cathedral)
E1. [1m.] Iliya, Pr of Novgorod (1015-20), +1020
E2. [2m.] Vladimir II, Pr of Novgorod (1036-52), founder of St.Sophia Cathedral, Novgorod, *ca 1020, +4.10.1052, bur St.Sophia Cathedral, Novgorod; for his descendants see HERE
E3. [2m.] Izyaslav I, Pr of Turov, Pr of Novgorod (1052-54), Great Pr of Kiev (1054-68)+(1069-73)+(1077-78), *ca 1024, +k.a.Nezhatinaia Niva 3.10.1078, bur St.Sophia Cathedral, Kiev; m.1043 Gertrud of Poland (*ca 1020 +4.1.1107); for his descendants
Izyaslav, inherited Polotsk from his mother - Pr of Polotzk (988-1001), *ca 980, +1001; He had issue:
A1. Vseslav, Pr of Polotzk (1001-03), +1003
A2. Bryachislav, Pr of Polotzk (1003-44), Pr of Vitebsk (1021-44), *ca 997, +1044; m.N ("a witch")
B1. Vseslav "the Sorcerer", Pr of Polotsk (1044-69)+(1071-1101), Gr Pr of Kiev (IX.1068-IV.1069), *ca 1030, +14.4.1101, bur St.Sophia Cathedral, Polotsk
C1. Roman, Pr of Polotzk (1101-16), +1116
C2. Gleb, 1st Pr of Minsk (1101-19), Pr of Polotsk (1116-19), +in prison Kiev 1119; m.1090 Anastasia of Turov and Lutsk (*1074, +I.1158)
D1. Izyaslav, +1134
D2. Rostislav, Pr of Polotsk (1151-59), Pr of Minsk (1146-51)+(1159-1165); m.Sofia of Turov and Lutsk (*1111 +1158)
E1. Gleb, Pr of Drutsk (1151-58)
E2. Svyatoslav, +1196
F1. Rostislav, +1196
D3. Volodar, Pr of Minsk (1151-58)+(1165-67), Pr of Hrodno (1159-65); m.btw 1136-39 Richeza of Poland (+after 25.12.1155)
E1. Vladimir, Pr of Minsk, fl 1182
E2. Vasilko, Pr of Logoysk, fl 1196
E3. Sofia, *ca 1141, +5.5.1198, bur Roskilde; 1m: 1157 King Waldemar I of Denmark (*14.1.1131, +Vordingborg 12.5.1182); 2m: 1184 (div 1187) Ldgf Ludwig III of Thuringia (+16.10.1190)
D4. Vsevolod, Pr of Izyaslavl and Strejev, fl 1159
C3. Boris, Pr of Polotsk (1119-27), Pr of Drutsk (1101-19), +1127/28
D1. Rogvolod II, Pr of Polotsk (1144-51)+(1158-61), Pr of Drutsk (1140-46)+(1161-71), +nr Orsha 7.5.1171; m.1143/44 N of Kiev
E1. Vseslav, fl 1160
E2. Gleb, Pr of Drutsk (1146-51)+(1163-), +after 1180
F1. Boris, Pr of Drutsk, +1196
E3. Praxedis, +1243; m.Yaroslav Vladimirovich of Pskov (+1245)
D2. Bryachislav, Pr of Logoysk
D3. Zvenislava, took monastic vows as Eupraxia and went to Palestine in 1171
C4. Rogvolod, Pr of Polotsk (1127-28), +1128
Rostislav, ancestor of Dukes of Lithuania, fl 1129 (went to Constantinople); he had issue:
A1. David, Pr of Vilensk
B1. Vitenas Volk, fl 1270
C1. [parentage uncertain; he could be a distant relative of Mindaugas, as well as representative of a rival princely family] Traidenis (Troiden), Great Duke of Lithuania (1269-81/82), fl 1281
D1. Gaudimante (Gaudemunda), baptized as Sophie, +1288; m.1279 Boleslaw II, Pr of Plock and Masovia (+1302)
D2. [parentage uncertain; possibly Skalmantas or Skolmantas (not mentioned in any contemporary sources but established in genealogical tradition)] Butigeidis, Great Duke of Lithuania (1285(?)-ca 1291), +1290/92
D3. [parentage uncertain; possibly Skalmantas or Skolmantas (not mentioned in any contemporary sources but established in genealogical tradition)] Butvydas (Butivydas/Putavyras/Pukaveras), Great Duke of Lithuania (ca 1291-ca 1295), +ca 1295; m.NN
G?yminas, Great Duke of Lithuania (1316-41), *ca 1260, +k.a.1341 (one of the first victims of shooting gun in Europe!); 1m: Wida, dau.of Widmund N; 2m: Olga, dau.of Vsevolod of Smolensk (+1344); 3m: Jevna (+1344) dau.of Pr Ivan of Polotzk; He had issue:
A1. [1m.] Manvydas (Monvid), Pr of Kirnovo/Karachev and Slonim, +ca 1341
A2. [1m.] Narimantas, baptized Orthodox as Gleb in 1333, Pr of Pinsk and Mozyr, Pr of Ladoga and Korela, *ca 1277, +2.2.1348; m.Marija, dau.of Khan Tokhtai
B1. Alexander, Pr of Podolia, *1338, 냕efore 1386
C1. Patrikey Alexandrovich, Pr of Zwenihorod, +1383/87; m.Yelena N
D1. Pr Fyodor Patrikeievich, +1426
E1. Pr Vasily of Khovan; his issue are Princes Khovansky, for which see HERE
D2. Pr Yury Patrikeievich, boyar in Moscow; +after 1437/ca 1447; m.Anna of Moscow, dau.of Dmitriy I Donskoi of Moscow by Eudoxia of Suzdal
E1. Pr Vasily Patrikeyev, boyar, +1450; m.Maria N
F1. Pr Ivan "Bulgak", boyar 1475, +14.4.1498; m.Ksenia Ivanovna Vsevolzhskaya
G1. Pr Ivan Bulgakov "Moshok", *1466, +12.6.1495
G2. Pr Dmitry Bulgakov, +after 1514
G3. Pr Mikhail Bulgakov "Galitsa", boyar, +1554; his issue are Princes Galitsyn
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on July 16, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
The "problem" with a Rurikid princess is that they are excluded from the Fundamental Law in effect in 1917.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Lucien on August 06, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
Talking of marriage,David's is already over again.It was within a month.
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: LisaDavidson on August 10, 2009, 11:00:04 PM
Talking of marriage,David's is already over again.It was within a month.


who is David?
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Lucien on August 10, 2009, 11:41:23 PM
Talking of marriage,David's is already over again.It was within a month.


who is David?

Prince David Bagration-Mukhrani and Princess Anna Bagration-Gruzinsky,they married a few months ago remember?
And he didn't look all too happy at the occasion,as several noticed then.Now it appears the marriage is over and done with,in fact it
was within two months.The family considers the affair a private one so no statements will be issued.


From wicked Wiki:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/David_and_Anna_Bagrationi.JPG
Title: Re: possible wives for Prince Georgy
Post by: Ilias_of_John on August 11, 2009, 04:25:20 AM
They both look like they have swallowed a lemon!

RemeMber though, that this was during the time when the Georgians attacked South Ossetia, and the Russians moved in and kicked the stuffing out of them.
Perhaps it was a marriage of convenience, more for political resons than one of love and HOT PASSION?????
 ::)